Serbian Autosomal DNA

[vbnetkhio]

k13 average of 100 Serbs and Montenegrins

https://i.imgur.com/opehCvz.png

North_Atlantic25.05
Baltic28.72
West_Med17.20
West_Asian9.01
East_Med16.08
Red_Sea1.66
South_Asian0.33
East_Asian0.31
Siberian0.78
Amerindian0.39
Oceanian0.30
Northeast_African0.09
Sub-Saharan0.05

ranges:

_MINMAX
North_Atlantic18.2332.83
Baltic21.8834.12
West_Med12.0921.46
West_Asian2.2914.05
East_Med10.3422.65
Red_Sea05.46
South_Asian02.91
East_Asian01.79
Siberian02.67
Amerindian02.13
Oceanian01.51
Northeast_African01.35
Sub-Saharan00.64

notice how the major admixtures all have 10-ish ranges

[Leto]

So there was a Serb with 34% Baltic? That's a damn relict individual unless mixed with some minority ancestry like Hungarians or Rusyns.

[Bosniensis]

So there was a Serb with 34% Baltic? That's a damn relict individual unless mixed with some minority ancestry like Hungarians or Rusyns.

Some balkanites tend to have higher Baltic score, but that's on individual level depending on how much they mixed with more slavic influenced people.

[vbnetkhio]

So there was a Serb with 34% Baltic? That's a damn relict individual unless mixed with some minority ancestry like Hungarians or Rusyns.

She is 1/2 Herzegovinian Serb+1/2 Bosnian Serb. CommonSense found her and posted her k15 some time ago, i didn't check her k13 until yesterday.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.12
2 North_Atlantic 25.23
3 West_Med 18.44
4 East_Med 17.45
5 West_Asian 2.29
6 Red_Sea 1.36
7 Siberian 0.83
8 Amerindian 0.2
9 Northeast_African 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 9.25
2 Croatian 9.53
3 Moldavian 9.54
4 Hungarian 11.31
5 Romanian 11.65
6 Bulgarian 12.79
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.58
8 Austrian 14.67
9 South_Polish 14.93
10 Ukrainian 14.97
11 East_German 15.08
12 Polish 17.9
13 Southwest_Russian 18.17
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.1
15 Estonian_Polish 19.62
16 Russian_Smolensk 19.78
17 Greek_Thessaly 20.05
18 Belorussian 20.21
19 West_German 20.85
20 North_Italian 21.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.1% Estonian_Polish + 44.9% Tuscan @ 6.4
2 58.8% Estonian_Polish + 41.2% West_Sicilian @ 6.43
3 72% Ukrainian + 28% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.52
4 72.1% Ukrainian + 27.9% Italian_Jewish @ 6.55
5 65.3% Estonian_Polish + 34.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.65
6 65.3% Estonian_Polish + 34.7% Italian_Jewish @ 6.66
7 58% Belorussian + 42% West_Sicilian @ 6.67
8 71.1% Southwest_Russian + 28.9% Sardinian @ 6.7
9 52.6% Lithuanian + 47.4% West_Sicilian @ 6.71
10 51.2% Tuscan + 48.8% Lithuanian @ 6.72
11 54.3% Belorussian + 45.7% Tuscan @ 6.72
12 67.4% Ukrainian + 32.6% Ashkenazi @ 6.74
13 50.6% Estonian_Polish + 49.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.79
14 64.5% Belorussian + 35.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.82
15 67.7% Polish + 32.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.83
16 50.2% Greek_Thessaly + 49.8% Belorussian @ 6.84
17 59.8% Estonian + 40.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.86
18 66.5% Ukrainian + 33.5% West_Sicilian @ 6.92
19 67.8% Polish + 32.2% Italian_Jewish @ 6.99
20 57.4% Southwest_Russian + 42.6% Tuscan @ 6.99

[Leto]

Some balkanites tend to have higher Baltic score, but that's on individual level depending on how much they mixed with more slavic influenced people.
I've never seen a Serb with 34% Baltic. We're not talking about "Balkanites" in general.

[Leto]

She is 1/2 Herzegovinian Serb+1/2 Bosnian Serb. CommonSense found her and posted her k15 some time ago, i didn't check her k13 until yesterday.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.12
2 North_Atlantic 25.23
3 West_Med 18.44
4 East_Med 17.45
5 West_Asian 2.29
6 Red_Sea 1.36
7 Siberian 0.83
8 Amerindian 0.2
9 Northeast_African 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 9.25
2 Croatian 9.53
3 Moldavian 9.54
4 Hungarian 11.31
5 Romanian 11.65
6 Bulgarian 12.79
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.58
8 Austrian 14.67
9 South_Polish 14.93
10 Ukrainian 14.97
11 East_German 15.08
12 Polish 17.9
13 Southwest_Russian 18.17
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.1
15 Estonian_Polish 19.62
16 Russian_Smolensk 19.78
17 Greek_Thessaly 20.05
18 Belorussian 20.21
19 West_German 20.85
20 North_Italian 21.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.1% Estonian_Polish + 44.9% Tuscan @ 6.4
2 58.8% Estonian_Polish + 41.2% West_Sicilian @ 6.43
3 72% Ukrainian + 28% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.52
4 72.1% Ukrainian + 27.9% Italian_Jewish @ 6.55
5 65.3% Estonian_Polish + 34.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.65
6 65.3% Estonian_Polish + 34.7% Italian_Jewish @ 6.66
7 58% Belorussian + 42% West_Sicilian @ 6.67
8 71.1% Southwest_Russian + 28.9% Sardinian @ 6.7
9 52.6% Lithuanian + 47.4% West_Sicilian @ 6.71
10 51.2% Tuscan + 48.8% Lithuanian @ 6.72
11 54.3% Belorussian + 45.7% Tuscan @ 6.72
12 67.4% Ukrainian + 32.6% Ashkenazi @ 6.74
13 50.6% Estonian_Polish + 49.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.79
14 64.5% Belorussian + 35.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.82
15 67.7% Polish + 32.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.83
16 50.2% Greek_Thessaly + 49.8% Belorussian @ 6.84
17 59.8% Estonian + 40.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.86
18 66.5% Ukrainian + 33.5% West_Sicilian @ 6.92
19 67.8% Polish + 32.2% Italian_Jewish @ 6.99
20 57.4% Southwest_Russian + 42.6% Tuscan @ 6.99
2.3% West Asian only is super fucking strange though. I hate Gedmatch for that. Sometimes results look messed up in a way.
Is her Dod K12b normal?

[vbnetkhio]

2.3% West Asian only is super fucking strange though. I hate Gedmatch for that. Sometimes results look messed up in a way.
Is her Dod K12b normal?

i don't know what are Serbian dodecad k12b ranges like. you be the judge

# Population Percent
1 North_European 43.33
2 Atlantic_Med 27.98
3 Caucasus 20.26
4 Southwest_Asian 5.04
5 Northwest_African 1.46
6 Gedrosia 1.11
7 South_Asian 0.67
8 Sub_Saharan 0.09
9 East_African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 7.02
2 Romanians (Behar) 10.65
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 12.49
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 12.64
5 German (Dodecad) 13.12
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 18.59
7 Dutch (Dodecad) 19.6
8 French (Dodecad) 20.5
9 French (HGDP) 20.76
10 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 20.83
11 Polish (Dodecad) 20.94
12 Kent (1000Genomes) 21.97
13 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 22.01
14 English (Dodecad) 22.2
15 N_Italian (Dodecad) 22.34
16 O_Italian (Dodecad) 22.34
17 Swedish (Dodecad) 22.67
18 British_Isles (Dodecad) 22.98
19 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 23.11
20 Norwegian (Dodecad) 23.49

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.8% Polish (Dodecad) + 43.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.65
2 55.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 44.3% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.86
3 50.4% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 49.6% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.9
4 55.8% Polish (Dodecad) + 44.2% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.94
5 58.2% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 41.8% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.04
6 55.1% Polish (Dodecad) + 44.9% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 2.04
7 54.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 45.5% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 2.13
8 51.8% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 48.2% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.23
9 57.6% Tuscan (HGDP) + 42.4% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.23
10 52.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 47.4% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 2.31
11 55.1% Tuscan (HGDP) + 44.9% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.35
12 51.6% Polish (Dodecad) + 48.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.38
13 50.3% Belorussian (Behar) + 49.7% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 2.54
14 55.3% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 44.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 2.68
15 53.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 46.7% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 2.82
16 56.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 43.4% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.97
17 83.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 16.1% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.98
18 65% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 35% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.07
19 84.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 15.9% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 3.12
20 80.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 19.2% Greek (Dodecad) @ 3.16

[Leto]

The average is 40% according to Pribislav.

[vbnetkhio]

The average is 40% according to Pribislav.

this is from the Serbian project. 39 north euro. so yeah, probably around that range.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xxs2pV6EbWU/VKXSvRCbFjI/AAAAAAAAALI/ShIkN7tortw/w958-h176-no/K12b%2BBalkan.jpg

[vbnetkhio]

It's from her Herzegovinian part imo. Herzegovina has a strong medieval continuity according to y-dna research, while other Serbian regions had extinctions and were repopulated by mountain populations with more Vlach admixture.

i haven't seen a 100% Herzegovinian Serb dna result yet.

[vbnetkhio]

I've never seen a Serb with 34% Baltic. We're not talking about "Balkanites" in general.

this is her relative with a Herzegovinian Serb surname. idk if she's 100% Serb.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.53
2 North_Atlantic 24.68
3 West_Med 14.23
4 East_Med 12
5 West_Asian 10.77
6 Red_Sea 1.86
7 Siberian 0.42
8 Oceanian 0.27
9 Amerindian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.06
2 Croatian 4.17
3 Hungarian 8.4
4 Serbian 8.45
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.31
6 South_Polish 10.44
7 Ukrainian 10.61
8 Romanian 11.4
9 Austrian 12.79
10 Bulgarian 13.05
11 East_German 13.05
12 Southwest_Russian 13.38
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.4
14 Polish 13.68
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.28
16 Estonian_Polish 15.99
17 Belorussian 16.62
18 Kargopol_Russian 17.86
19 Erzya 19.02
20 Tatar 19.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54% Bulgarian + 46% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.82
2 54.1% Romanian + 45.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.92
3 50.7% Bulgarian + 49.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.02
4 61.8% Bulgarian + 38.2% Lithuanian @ 2.12
5 58.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 41.3% Bulgarian @ 2.19
6 93.1% Croatian + 6.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.26
7 65.5% Russian_Smolensk + 34.5% Central_Greek @ 2.27
8 57.5% Romanian + 42.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.38
9 93.3% Croatian + 6.7% Assyrian @ 2.39
10 54.2% Romanian + 45.8% Southwest_Russian @ 2.4
11 93.3% Croatian + 6.7% Armenian @ 2.4
12 51.2% Bulgarian + 48.8% Polish @ 2.44
13 93.8% Croatian + 6.2% Abhkasian @ 2.44
14 50.6% Bulgarian + 49.4% Southwest_Russian @ 2.45
15 55.4% Ukrainian + 44.6% Bulgarian @ 2.46
16 93.6% Croatian + 6.4% Georgian @ 2.47
17 73.5% Ukrainian + 26.5% Central_Greek @ 2.47
18 93.6% Croatian + 6.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.48
19 65.1% Romanian + 34.9% Lithuanian @ 2.49
20 68.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 31.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.51

[Leto]

Maybe some Bosniaks or Croats were absorbed by Serbs in some areas, who knows.

[Kökény]

My k13 is kinda similar to the Serbian average. Some of the exotic components are slightly higher, but they still fit in the min-max range. Only difference is that I don't score Northeast African. No wonder I get Serbian as the closest in distance.

Admix Results (sorted):

#Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.48
2 Baltic 23.21
3 East_Med 14.73
4 West_Med 13.58
5 West_Asian 8.88
6 Siberian 2.96
7 South_Asian 1.61
8 Red_Sea 1.49
9 East_Asian 1.03
10 Oceanian 1
11 Amerindian 0.74
12 Sub-Saharan 0.3

[vbnetkhio]

Maybe some Bosniaks or Croats were absorbed by Serbs in some areas, who knows.

sure, in areas where Serbs arrived as newcomers. i mean they took wives from each other at least.
but Herzegovinian Serbs have medieval continuity, they didn't come from somewhere else in the last few centuries.

[CommonSense]

So there was a Serb with 34% Baltic? That's a damn relict individual unless mixed with some minority ancestry like Hungarians or Rusyns.

32% North Atlantic is a much bigger outlier.

[vbnetkhio]

32% North Atlantic is a much bigger outlier.

it's an academic sample
WP4899669

[Pribislav]

k13 average of 100 Serbs and Montenegrins

https://i.imgur.com/opehCvz.png

North_Atlantic25.05
Baltic28.72
West_Med17.20
West_Asian9.01
East_Med16.08
Red_Sea1.66
South_Asian0.33
East_Asian0.31
Siberian0.78
Amerindian0.39
Oceanian0.30
Northeast_African0.09
Sub-Saharan0.05

ranges:

_MINMAX
North_Atlantic18.2332.83
Baltic21.8834.12
West_Med12.0921.46
West_Asian2.2914.05
East_Med10.3422.65
Red_Sea05.46
South_Asian02.91
East_Asian01.79
Siberian02.67
Amerindian02.13
Oceanian01.51
Northeast_African01.35
Sub-Saharan00.64

notice how the major admixtures all have 10-ish ranges

I doubt that Serbs with 22% Baltic are full Serbs, same goes with 32% North_Atlantic. They probably have recent non-Serbian admixture.

[vbnetkhio]

I doubt that Serbs with 22% Baltic

it's 2 Montenegrins, and one feiichy's match with a Serb sounding name and surname. everybody else is 24+. maybe those 3 are Kuči or something.

[Pribislav]

it's 2 Montenegrins, and one feiichy's match with a Serb sounding name and surname. everybody else is 24+. maybe those 3 are Kuči or something.

What is average Montenegrin Baltic? 25% or something?

National Montenegrins should not be counted in any Serbian statistics.
Member of this forum Ogi is declared Montenegrin with anti-Serbian attitudes like "nikad više 1918" and similar idiotic claims, and I don't give a fuck for his results.

[Ljubic]

Im always astonished how low the average south asian is even though Serbia has a sizeable gypsy community. It really seems that they dont mix that much with the native population and if someone has gypsy ancestry, they are aware of it.

[Pribislav]

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Look this Serb from Nikšić.

1 Baltic 31.29
2 North_Atlantic 25.72
3 West_Med 16.85
4 East_Med 15.81
5 West_Asian 7.84
6 Red_Sea 1.69
7 Siberian 0.67
8 Oceanian 0.12

[Ford]

Im always astonished how low the average south asian is even though Serbia has a sizeable gypsy community. It really seems that they dont mix that much with the native population and if someone has gypsy ancestry, they are aware of it.

It's not that astonishing considering how 99% of them are like :P

[vbnetkhio]

Look this Serb from Nikšić.

1 Baltic 31.29
2 North_Atlantic 25.72
3 West_Med 16.85
4 East_Med 15.81
5 West_Asian 7.84
6 Red_Sea 1.69
7 Siberian 0.67
8 Oceanian 0.12

where's that result from? that's not the same one Ford posted

[Pribislav]

where's that result from? that's not the same one Ford posted

HungryLion gave me on one Serbian forum.

Nikšićain has 40.5% North_North European on K12b.

[vbnetkhio]

Im always astonished how low the average south asian is even though Serbia has a sizeable gypsy community. It really seems that they dont mix that much with the native population and if someone has gypsy ancestry, they are aware of it.

i know of 3 Serb results with recent gipsy admixture, like 1/2 or 1/4 from Vojvodina and Central Serbia. i didn't include them.
recently mixing became common, specifically in those regions.

[vbnetkhio]

Member of this forum Ogi

do you have his k13? i'll make separate Serbian and Montengrin averages.

nevermind, i found them
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?289080-Myheritage-and-GEDmatch-results

[vbnetkhio]

What is average Montenegrin Baltic? 25% or something?

National Montenegrins should not be counted in any Serbian statistics.
Member of this forum Ogi is declared Montenegrin with anti-Serbian attitudes like "nikad više 1918" and similar idiotic claims, and I don't give a fuck for his results.

here, the South/East Montnegrin cluster(32 samples) and the rest of Serbs(88 samples)

https://i.imgur.com/IZnTSmi.png

_MNEminmaxSerbminmax
North_Atlantic24.4218.2129.9225.1120.5932.83
Baltic24.9821.8826.5929.9025.2234.12
West_Med18.8215.3422.5916.9412.0920.45
West_Asian10.285.1314.058.692.2912.67
East_Med17.5614.2122.6515.369.2021.35
Red_Sea1.870.005.461.610.003.96
South_Asian0.310.002.590.410.002.91
East_Asian0.220.001.870.370.001.79
Siberian0.750.001.760.740.002.67
Amerindian0.400.002.130.380.001.79
Oceanian0.270.000.990.310.001.51
Northeast_African0.060.000.710.100.001.35
Sub_Saharan0.070.000.970.050.000.64

[vbnetkhio]

https://i.imgur.com/pZOlY9L.png

https://i.imgur.com/kR6N09H.png

any further subdivisions are unecessary imo. look how Bosnian, Croatian, Šumadijan, and South/East Serbs are all over the place.

[CommonSense]

Im always astonished how low the average south asian is even though Serbia has a sizeable gypsy community. It really seems that they dont mix that much with the native population and if someone has gypsy ancestry, they are aware of it.

A century ago mixing was strict taboo and such people were very rare. Now, regretably, everything is upside down and even one such person (Ceca) gets called 'Serbian mother'. Of course, if someone scores like 5% South Asian, they won't be counted neither here, nor on academic studies.

[Moje ime]

Im always astonished how low the average south asian is even though Serbia has a sizeable gypsy community. It really seems that they dont mix that much with the native population and if someone has gypsy ancestry, they are aware of it.

Mixing with Gypsies is nowhere a usual thing. Why would that be different in Serbia? Because Ustase said that?

Besides that, for having such wide spread average in a population for any component it needs to be ancient enough. All those components are probably more ancient in Serbian dna than Gypsies on Balkan.

[Moje ime]

A century ago mixing was strict taboo and such people were very rare. Now, regretably, everything is upside down and even one such person (Ceca) gets called 'Serbian mother'. Of course, if someone scores like 5% South Asian, they won't be counted neither here, nor on academic studies.

Ceca is 1/4 Gypsy origin as far as I know. She is not called "Serbian mother" because of music or origin but from time when she was married for Arkan, Serbian military commander from 90s so he managed to make her a star. And most important nobody took that nickname for serious.

[Moje ime]

i know of 3 Serb results with recent gipsy admixture, like 1/2 or 1/4 from Vojvodina and Central Serbia. i didn't include them.

Do you have that results? It would be interesting to see them.

[Jackson78]

Ceca is 1/4 Gypsy origin as far as I know.

She's not.

[Moje ime]

She's not.

But what is she? I know that official version.

[Jackson78]

But what is she? I know that official version.

She does not have any known gypsy ancestry.

And that is actually "unofficial" version.

[Ljubic]

Mixing with Gypsies is nowhere a usual thing. Why would that be different in Serbia? Because Ustase said that?

Besides that, for having such wide spread average in a population for any component it needs to be ancient enough. All those components are probably more ancient in Serbian dna than Gypsies on Balkan.

The same thing i typed could be applied to Hungarians, Romanians and Bulgarians.
Serbia has supposedly about 140000-500000 Gypsies which is a huge number and mixing obviously occured at some point or else they wouldnt be partly Balkan genetically.
Not sure why you mentioned Ustase, I havent ment any offense with my post.

[Pribislav]

where's that result from? that's not the same one Ford posted

I think it's not same result as Ford posted. I think Nikšićain whose K13 Ford posted has little less Baltic than this one, but also over 30%.
Nikšićani are definitely most northern and "Slavic" shifted Montenegrins, significant more northern/"Slavic" than Montenegrin average.

[Moje ime]

The same thing i typed could be applied to Hungarians, Romanians and Bulgarians.
Serbia has supposedly about 140000-500000 Gypsies which is a huge number and mixing obviously occured at some point or else they wouldnt be partly Balkan genetically.
Not sure why you mentioned Ustase, I havent ment any offense with my post.

They usually have some West Asian admixture but lacking Slavic and northern.
That means they picked it up somewhere else, not here.

[Pribislav]

The same thing i typed could be applied to Hungarians, Romanians and Bulgarians.
Serbia has supposedly about 140000-500000 Gypsies which is a huge number and mixing obviously occured at some point or else they wouldnt be partly Balkan genetically.
Not sure why you mentioned Ustase, I havent ment any offense with my post.

Gypsies in Serbia are "citizens" of third order. Vast majority of them live isolated in own settlements. Serbs and other people in Serbia see Gypsies as alien people different in every sense, and often as subhumans.

[Moje ime]

Gypsies in Serbia are "citizens" of third order. Vast majority of them live isolated in own settlements. Serbs and other people in Serbia see Gypsies as alien people different in every sense, and often as subhumans.

I just need to fix this what Pribislav said since this may sounds wrong. They are normal citizens of this country in the Constitution with all rights and obligations. He speaks about how other people, Serbs in this case, see them as foreign.

[Pribislav]

I just need to fix this what Pribislav said since this may sounds wrong. They are normal citizens of this country in the Constitution with all rights and obligations. He speaks about how other people, Serbs in this case, see them as foreign.

Nobody like Gypsies in the Balkan, except Emir Kusturica and few other individuals. :) Don't like someone is not same as hate someone, exist also neutral option.
Most of Serbs don't hate Gypsies, but they have distance towards them. Serbs and other Balkanites just don't see Gypsies as normal people.

[vbnetkhio]

The same thing i typed could be applied to Hungarians, Romanians and Bulgarians.
Serbia has supposedly about 140000-500000 Gypsies which is a huge number and mixing obviously occured at some point or else they wouldnt be partly Balkan genetically.
Not sure why you mentioned Ustase, I havent ment any offense with my post.

they simply had a too different way of life. i suppose some Serbs joined nomadic gypsy groups, but the opposite (gypsies permanently settling and integrating) never happened, until recently

in this dataset, the samples with the highest South Asian are from Croatia and Montenegro, not places usually associated with gypsies. so that South asian could be noise , or from some other source.

[Leto]

The same thing i typed could be applied to Hungarians, Romanians and Bulgarians.
Serbia has supposedly about 140000-500000 Gypsies which is a huge number and mixing obviously occured at some point or else they wouldnt be partly Balkan genetically.
Not sure why you mentioned Ustase, I havent ment any offense with my post.
In my opinion Gypsy assimilation is necessary and perhaps inevitable. They aren't (or shouldn't be) hated for their skin color but for their asocial way of life.

[Aspirin]

In my opinion Gypsy assimilation is necessary and perhaps inevitable. They aren't (or shouldn't be) hated for their skin color but for their asocial way of life.

It's impossible to assimilate an entire Gypsy community, no matter how big this community is.

[Pribislav]

In my opinion Gypsy assimilation is necessary and perhaps inevitable. They aren't (or shouldn't be) hated for their skin color but for their asocial way of life.

Do you support assimilation of Gypsies by Europeans? I thought you are an nordist. :coffee:
I don't know for Russian Gypsies, but Balkan ones are less white on average than Middle Eastern migrants.

[vbnetkhio]

It's impossible to assimilate an entire Gypsy community, no matter how big this community is.

i believe in Soviet Russia they managed to completely assimilate them.

[Ljubic]

they simply had a too different way of life. i suppose some Serbs joined nomadic gypsy groups, but the opposite (gypsies permanently settling and integrating) never happened, until recently

in this dataset, the samples with the highest South Asian are from Croatia and Montenegro, not places usually associated with gypsies. so that South asian could be noise , or from some other source.

One of the Hercegovian samples you've shown me had like 4 % South Asian but the other components were overwhelmingly Western Balkan.

[Leto]

Do you support assimilation of Gypsies by Europeans? I thought you are an nordist. :coffee:
I don't know for Russian Gypsies, but Balkan ones are less white on average than Middle Eastern migrants.
I've never been a Nordicist but that's beside the point. Sometimes you have to choose the lesser evil. Unless you support a Gypsy holocaust, there are two options available - either you allow them to breed further or you dilute them ethnoracially losing some of your whiteness as a result. At least they are Serbian Orthodox over there in Serbia, not Mudslime.
Russian Gypsies are virtually the same as Balkan since all European Roma have Balkan origin.

[Leto]

i believe in Soviet Russia they managed to completely assimilate them.
Not at all. There were 200,000 Roma in Russia back in 2010 (last census) but the actual number may exceed one million. They don't mix for the most part with non-Gypos.

[Pribislav]

they simply had a too different way of life. i suppose some Serbs joined nomadic gypsy groups, but the opposite (gypsies permanently settling and integrating) never happened, until recently

in this dataset, the samples with the highest South Asian are from Croatia and Montenegro, not places usually associated with gypsies. so that South asian could be noise , or from some other source.

South Asian score in Europe mostly is not conected with Gypsies. It's minor part of Stepe dna. Stears has relatively high South Asian score and he is not conected with Gypsies. His South Asian score is obvious from his Szekler side, from Stepic Turkic and Scythian people.

[vbnetkhio]

Do you have that results? It would be interesting to see them.
#1

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.89
2 East_Med 18.69
3 North_Atlantic 16.42
4 West_Med 15
5 West_Asian 11.91
6 South_Asian 4.17
7 Red_Sea 3.03
8 Siberian 2.35
9 Oceanian 1.27
10 Northeast_African 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 7.48
2 Romanian 8.5
3 Serbian 10.69
4 Moldavian 12.15
5 Greek_Thessaly 12.87
6 Croatian 15.65
7 Hungarian 17.3
8 Central_Greek 18.99
9 Italian_Abruzzo 19.85
10 East_Sicilian 20.1
11 Tuscan 20.62
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 20.78
13 Ashkenazi 20.93
14 Austrian 21.13
15 West_Sicilian 21.25
16 North_Italian 21.95
17 Tatar 22.07
18 Ukrainian 22.12
19 South_Polish 22.3
20 East_German 22.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54% Kargopol_Russian + 46% Cyprian @ 3.79
2 58% East_Sicilian + 42% Erzya @ 3.86
3 59.4% Central_Greek + 40.6% Erzya @ 3.88
4 54.1% South_Italian + 45.9% Erzya @ 4.03
5 60.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 39.1% Cyprian @ 4.24
6 77% Moldavian + 23% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.24
7 76.6% Moldavian + 23.4% Samaritan @ 4.3
8 59.3% Ukrainian + 40.7% Cyprian @ 4.32
9 76.7% Moldavian + 23.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.34
10 69.2% Greek_Thessaly + 30.8% Erzya @ 4.44
11 74.4% Moldavian + 25.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.45
12 60.3% Ukrainian + 39.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.47
13 74.6% Moldavian + 25.4% Syrian @ 4.5
14 77.1% Moldavian + 22.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.52
15 76.7% Moldavian + 23.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.54
16 73.8% Moldavian + 26.2% Cyprian @ 4.61
17 57.3% Southwest_Russian + 42.7% Cyprian @ 4.64
18 54.4% Estonian_Polish + 45.6% Cyprian @ 4.65
19 54.8% Russian_Smolensk + 45.2% Cyprian @ 4.66
20 59.3% Central_Greek + 40.7% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.68

doesn't seem like much, but her closest match was was a pure Balkan gypsy, purer than Mortimer. she's gone now after gedmatch fucked up their database again.

#2

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.26
2 North_Atlantic 19.29
3 East_Med 16.67
4 West_Asian 13.33
5 West_Med 13.05
6 South_Asian 9.33
7 Red_Sea 1.96
8 Amerindian 1.85
9 East_Asian 1.21
10 Siberian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 10.15
2 Bulgarian 10.24
3 Serbian 12.14
4 Greek_Thessaly 14.08
5 Moldavian 14.14
6 Croatian 17.2
7 Hungarian 17.44
8 Italian_Abruzzo 19.56
9 Central_Greek 19.72
10 Tuscan 20.39
11 Austrian 20.5
12 East_Sicilian 20.77
13 North_Italian 21.24
14 West_Sicilian 21.35
15 East_German 21.87
16 Ashkenazi 22.04
17 Ukrainian_Lviv 22.38
18 South_Polish 23.51
19 Tatar 23.65
20 South_Italian 23.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.2% Bulgarian + 16.8% Brahmin_UP @ 2.97
2 84.3% Bulgarian + 15.7% Kshatriya @ 3.15
3 84.4% Bulgarian + 15.6% Gujarati @ 3.3
4 85.9% Bulgarian + 14.1% Kanjar @ 3.33
5 84.5% Romanian + 15.5% Kshatriya @ 3.33
6 84.6% Romanian + 15.4% Gujarati @ 3.44
7 83.6% Romanian + 16.4% Brahmin_UP @ 3.46
8 86.1% Romanian + 13.9% Kanjar @ 3.48
9 84.6% Bulgarian + 15.4% Bangladeshi @ 3.5
10 84.7% Romanian + 15.3% Bangladeshi @ 3.51
11 85.8% Bulgarian + 14.2% Dharkar @ 3.54
12 86.8% Bulgarian + 13.2% North_Kannadi @ 3.57
13 86.8% Romanian + 13.2% Velamas @ 3.58
14 86.3% Bulgarian + 13.7% Uttar_Pradesh @ 3.59
15 85.9% Romanian + 14.1% Dharkar @ 3.61
16 86.6% Bulgarian + 13.4% Kol @ 3.64
17 87% Romanian + 13% North_Kannadi @ 3.68
18 87.1% Romanian + 12.9% Dusadh @ 3.71
19 86.8% Bulgarian + 13.2% Velamas @ 3.74
20 87% Bulgarian + 13% Dusadh @ 3.74


and the third one was deleted to...

[Pribislav]

they simply had a too different way of life. i suppose some Serbs joined nomadic gypsy groups, but the opposite (gypsies permanently settling and integrating) never happened, until recently

in this dataset, the samples with the highest South Asian are from Croatia and Montenegro, not places usually associated with gypsies. so that South asian could be noise , or from some other source.

South Asian score in Europe mostly is not conected with Gypsies. It's minor part of Stepe dna. Stears has relatively high South Asian score and he is not conected with Gypsies. His South Asian score is obvious from his Szekler side, from Stepic Turkic and Scythian people.

[Moje ime]

they simply had a too different way of life. i suppose some Serbs joined nomadic gypsy groups, but the opposite (gypsies permanently settling and integrating) never happened, until recently



This. And that is how in past anyone could become "Gypsy" just by accepting their lifestyle and intermarry with them. That was happening with individuals from India through West Asia and Anatolia, all the way they passed before coming to Europe. That explains their genetics.

[TheMaestro]

So there was a Serb with 34% Baltic? That's a damn relict individual unless mixed with some minority ancestry like Hungarians or Rusyns.

Nothing you can't find in Slavic countries? You think all of them mixed with Balkanite barbars? I would be interested what guys like Nikola Jokic, Nemanja Vidic etc..

[Leto]

#1

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.89
2 East_Med 18.69
3 North_Atlantic 16.42
4 West_Med 15
5 West_Asian 11.91
6 South_Asian 4.17
7 Red_Sea 3.03
8 Siberian 2.35
9 Oceanian 1.27
10 Northeast_African 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 7.48
2 Romanian 8.5
3 Serbian 10.69
4 Moldavian 12.15
5 Greek_Thessaly 12.87
6 Croatian 15.65
7 Hungarian 17.3
8 Central_Greek 18.99
9 Italian_Abruzzo 19.85
10 East_Sicilian 20.1
11 Tuscan 20.62
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 20.78
13 Ashkenazi 20.93
14 Austrian 21.13
15 West_Sicilian 21.25
16 North_Italian 21.95
17 Tatar 22.07
18 Ukrainian 22.12
19 South_Polish 22.3
20 East_German 22.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54% Kargopol_Russian + 46% Cyprian @ 3.79
2 58% East_Sicilian + 42% Erzya @ 3.86
3 59.4% Central_Greek + 40.6% Erzya @ 3.88
4 54.1% South_Italian + 45.9% Erzya @ 4.03
5 60.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 39.1% Cyprian @ 4.24
6 77% Moldavian + 23% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.24
7 76.6% Moldavian + 23.4% Samaritan @ 4.3
8 59.3% Ukrainian + 40.7% Cyprian @ 4.32
9 76.7% Moldavian + 23.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.34
10 69.2% Greek_Thessaly + 30.8% Erzya @ 4.44
11 74.4% Moldavian + 25.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.45
12 60.3% Ukrainian + 39.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.47
13 74.6% Moldavian + 25.4% Syrian @ 4.5
14 77.1% Moldavian + 22.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.52
15 76.7% Moldavian + 23.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.54
16 73.8% Moldavian + 26.2% Cyprian @ 4.61
17 57.3% Southwest_Russian + 42.7% Cyprian @ 4.64
18 54.4% Estonian_Polish + 45.6% Cyprian @ 4.65
19 54.8% Russian_Smolensk + 45.2% Cyprian @ 4.66
20 59.3% Central_Greek + 40.7% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.68

doesn't seem like much, but her closest match was was a pure Balkan gypsy, purer than Mortimer. she's gone now after gedmatch fucked up their database again.

#2

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.26
2 North_Atlantic 19.29
3 East_Med 16.67
4 West_Asian 13.33
5 West_Med 13.05
6 South_Asian 9.33
7 Red_Sea 1.96
8 Amerindian 1.85
9 East_Asian 1.21
10 Siberian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 10.15
2 Bulgarian 10.24
3 Serbian 12.14
4 Greek_Thessaly 14.08
5 Moldavian 14.14
6 Croatian 17.2
7 Hungarian 17.44
8 Italian_Abruzzo 19.56
9 Central_Greek 19.72
10 Tuscan 20.39
11 Austrian 20.5
12 East_Sicilian 20.77
13 North_Italian 21.24
14 West_Sicilian 21.35
15 East_German 21.87
16 Ashkenazi 22.04
17 Ukrainian_Lviv 22.38
18 South_Polish 23.51
19 Tatar 23.65
20 South_Italian 23.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.2% Bulgarian + 16.8% Brahmin_UP @ 2.97
2 84.3% Bulgarian + 15.7% Kshatriya @ 3.15
3 84.4% Bulgarian + 15.6% Gujarati @ 3.3
4 85.9% Bulgarian + 14.1% Kanjar @ 3.33
5 84.5% Romanian + 15.5% Kshatriya @ 3.33
6 84.6% Romanian + 15.4% Gujarati @ 3.44
7 83.6% Romanian + 16.4% Brahmin_UP @ 3.46
8 86.1% Romanian + 13.9% Kanjar @ 3.48
9 84.6% Bulgarian + 15.4% Bangladeshi @ 3.5
10 84.7% Romanian + 15.3% Bangladeshi @ 3.51
11 85.8% Bulgarian + 14.2% Dharkar @ 3.54
12 86.8% Bulgarian + 13.2% North_Kannadi @ 3.57
13 86.8% Romanian + 13.2% Velamas @ 3.58
14 86.3% Bulgarian + 13.7% Uttar_Pradesh @ 3.59
15 85.9% Romanian + 14.1% Dharkar @ 3.61
16 86.6% Bulgarian + 13.4% Kol @ 3.64
17 87% Romanian + 13% North_Kannadi @ 3.68
18 87.1% Romanian + 12.9% Dusadh @ 3.71
19 86.8% Bulgarian + 13.2% Velamas @ 3.74
20 87% Bulgarian + 13% Dusadh @ 3.74


and the third one was deleted to...
I think Balkan Roma are 20-30% South Asian on K13/15, is that correct?

[Leto]

According to G25 models Romani people are at least 1/3 European and also about 1/3 West Asian, so they aren't full-blooded non-Caucasoids.

[Aspirin]

i believe in Soviet Russia they managed to completely assimilate them.

The only merits of Soviets is that they reduced part of Gypsy primitive behaviour, mixing with them is still very rare till today.

[Kökény]

Stears has relatively high South Asian score and he is not conected with Gypsies. His South Asian score is obvious from his Szekler side, from Stepic Turkic and Scythian people.

I score the same amount of South Asian as Stears. I also don't think that it's from Gypsies.

[CommonSense]

#1

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.89
2 East_Med 18.69
3 North_Atlantic 16.42
4 West_Med 15
5 West_Asian 11.91
6 South_Asian 4.17
7 Red_Sea 3.03
8 Siberian 2.35
9 Oceanian 1.27
10 Northeast_African 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 7.48
2 Romanian 8.5
3 Serbian 10.69
4 Moldavian 12.15
5 Greek_Thessaly 12.87
6 Croatian 15.65
7 Hungarian 17.3
8 Central_Greek 18.99
9 Italian_Abruzzo 19.85
10 East_Sicilian 20.1
11 Tuscan 20.62
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 20.78
13 Ashkenazi 20.93
14 Austrian 21.13
15 West_Sicilian 21.25
16 North_Italian 21.95
17 Tatar 22.07
18 Ukrainian 22.12
19 South_Polish 22.3
20 East_German 22.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54% Kargopol_Russian + 46% Cyprian @ 3.79
2 58% East_Sicilian + 42% Erzya @ 3.86
3 59.4% Central_Greek + 40.6% Erzya @ 3.88
4 54.1% South_Italian + 45.9% Erzya @ 4.03
5 60.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 39.1% Cyprian @ 4.24
6 77% Moldavian + 23% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.24
7 76.6% Moldavian + 23.4% Samaritan @ 4.3
8 59.3% Ukrainian + 40.7% Cyprian @ 4.32
9 76.7% Moldavian + 23.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.34
10 69.2% Greek_Thessaly + 30.8% Erzya @ 4.44
11 74.4% Moldavian + 25.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.45
12 60.3% Ukrainian + 39.7% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.47
13 74.6% Moldavian + 25.4% Syrian @ 4.5
14 77.1% Moldavian + 22.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.52
15 76.7% Moldavian + 23.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.54
16 73.8% Moldavian + 26.2% Cyprian @ 4.61
17 57.3% Southwest_Russian + 42.7% Cyprian @ 4.64
18 54.4% Estonian_Polish + 45.6% Cyprian @ 4.65
19 54.8% Russian_Smolensk + 45.2% Cyprian @ 4.66
20 59.3% Central_Greek + 40.7% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.68

doesn't seem like much, but her closest match was was a pure Balkan gypsy, purer than Mortimer. she's gone now after gedmatch fucked up their database again.

#2

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.26
2 North_Atlantic 19.29
3 East_Med 16.67
4 West_Asian 13.33
5 West_Med 13.05
6 South_Asian 9.33
7 Red_Sea 1.96
8 Amerindian 1.85
9 East_Asian 1.21
10 Siberian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 10.15
2 Bulgarian 10.24
3 Serbian 12.14
4 Greek_Thessaly 14.08
5 Moldavian 14.14
6 Croatian 17.2
7 Hungarian 17.44
8 Italian_Abruzzo 19.56
9 Central_Greek 19.72
10 Tuscan 20.39
11 Austrian 20.5
12 East_Sicilian 20.77
13 North_Italian 21.24
14 West_Sicilian 21.35
15 East_German 21.87
16 Ashkenazi 22.04
17 Ukrainian_Lviv 22.38
18 South_Polish 23.51
19 Tatar 23.65
20 South_Italian 23.66

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.2% Bulgarian + 16.8% Brahmin_UP @ 2.97
2 84.3% Bulgarian + 15.7% Kshatriya @ 3.15
3 84.4% Bulgarian + 15.6% Gujarati @ 3.3
4 85.9% Bulgarian + 14.1% Kanjar @ 3.33
5 84.5% Romanian + 15.5% Kshatriya @ 3.33
6 84.6% Romanian + 15.4% Gujarati @ 3.44
7 83.6% Romanian + 16.4% Brahmin_UP @ 3.46
8 86.1% Romanian + 13.9% Kanjar @ 3.48
9 84.6% Bulgarian + 15.4% Bangladeshi @ 3.5
10 84.7% Romanian + 15.3% Bangladeshi @ 3.51
11 85.8% Bulgarian + 14.2% Dharkar @ 3.54
12 86.8% Bulgarian + 13.2% North_Kannadi @ 3.57
13 86.8% Romanian + 13.2% Velamas @ 3.58
14 86.3% Bulgarian + 13.7% Uttar_Pradesh @ 3.59
15 85.9% Romanian + 14.1% Dharkar @ 3.61
16 86.6% Bulgarian + 13.4% Kol @ 3.64
17 87% Romanian + 13% North_Kannadi @ 3.68
18 87.1% Romanian + 12.9% Dusadh @ 3.71
19 86.8% Bulgarian + 13.2% Velamas @ 3.74
20 87% Bulgarian + 13% Dusadh @ 3.74


and the third one was deleted to...

I found two more on youtube like that. Keep in mind, it's mostly the poor people who are admixed, so they're not as likely to take these tests. More affluent people, on the other hand, Like Čeda Jovanović and the Đogani family will never do it because they won't be able to deny their roots any more.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-77h8WUqqWQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twpMqVVRC2Q

[ProudBrit]

I score the same amount of South Asian as Stears. I also don't think that it's from Gypsies.

Ofc it's from gypsies, he's not even half Szekely as his father is mixed, you can't compare him to you who are presumably full Szekely. And he shows the gypsy south_Asian + west_asian combo in virtually almost all genetic tests. His gypsy admixture can be perfectly modeled as a European individual who has a gypsy great-great-great-grandparent.

[Kökény]

Ofc it's from gypsies, he's not even half Szekely as his father is mixed, you can't compare him to you who are presumably full Szekely. And he shows the gypsy south_Asian + west_asian combo in virtually almost all genetic tests. His gypsy admixture can be perfectly modeled as a European individual who has a gypsy great-great-great-grandparent.

How do you know that it's 100% from Gypsies? We usually score minor South Asian in GD. Does that mean that every single one of us is Gypsy admixed? I highly doubt that. Regarding Stears, I don't know much about him just the fact that he's half Szekely and his dad is from a city where Hungarians are the majority. I won't believe any of this his dad is this or that shit until he or Feiichy confirms it.

[ProudBrit]

How do you know that it's 100% from Gypsies? We usually score minor South Asian in GD. Does that mean that every single one of us is Gypsy admixed? I highly doubt that. Regarding Stears, I don't know much about him just the fact that he's half Szekely and his dad is from a city where Hungarians are the majority. I won't believe any of this his dad is this or that shit until he or Feiichy confirms it.

No, not at all, most Hungarians don't score s.asian.For example, swedes score more s.asian than most euros but it's ancient indo-European and not gypsy, I know in Stear's case that it is from gypsies cause he is being modeled as such with the components that make up gypsies plus "Szekelyland" has the most gypsies after Bucharest and Craiova, it's just natural you mixed, stop being racist.

Gypsies can have great culture too even tho they didn't show it yet but who knows Stears can be the first to give a positive example for gypsies.

[Kökény]

it's just natural you mixed, stop being racist.

Lol that escalated quickly. Quit playing games tomato boy. I know your kind.

[thenewestmember]

why do they score such high baltic and west-med?

[Dick]

tomato boy.

https://media.giphy.com/media/1RzxeL2PuHYD1pw32i/giphy.gif

[vbnetkhio]

why do they score such high baltic and west-med?

East and West med were brought together by Neolithic farmers, and high Baltic arrived with the Slavs

[Pribislav]

It's from her Herzegovinian part imo. Herzegovina has a strong medieval continuity according to y-dna research, while other Serbian regions had extinctions and were repopulated by mountain populations with more Vlach admixture.

i haven't seen a 100% Herzegovinian Serb dna result yet.

From where is Serbian person with 32.83% North_Atlantic? And can you post full K13 of that person?

[vbnetkhio]

From where is Serbian person with 32.83% North_Atlantic? And can you post full K13 of that person?

academic sample from Belgrade.
there's a nice gradient from there downwards. below this one there are 2 samples with 31 north atlantic, then 3 with 29, etc.


Kit WP4899669

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 32.83
2 Baltic 25.22
3 West_Med 15.54
4 East_Med 12.78
5 West_Asian 10.19
6 Red_Sea 1.61
7 Siberian 0.96
8 Amerindian 0.74
9 East_Asian 0.09
10 Oceanian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.05
2 Hungarian 7.11
3 Austrian 7.45
4 Romanian 8.82
5 East_German 9.93
6 West_German 10.5
7 Moldavian 10.71
8 Croatian 11.44
9 Bulgarian 11.84
10 South_Dutch 12.11
11 French 12.61
12 North_German 15.62
13 North_Italian 16.41
14 South_Polish 16.9
15 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.32
16 Portuguese 17.46
17 Southeast_English 17.66
18 Spanish_Galicia 17.75
19 Spanish_Cataluna 17.76
20 Danish 18.08

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.6% Romanian + 32.4% North_Dutch @ 1.08
2 69.4% Romanian + 30.6% Norwegian @ 1.15
3 69.5% Romanian + 30.5% Irish @ 1.19
4 62.7% Bulgarian + 37.3% Norwegian @ 1.27
5 68.6% Romanian + 31.4% Orcadian @ 1.29
6 60.8% Bulgarian + 39.2% North_Dutch @ 1.32
7 64.1% Romanian + 35.9% North_German @ 1.37
8 70.3% Romanian + 29.7% West_Scottish @ 1.38
9 67.4% Romanian + 32.6% Danish @ 1.41
10 57% Bulgarian + 43% North_German @ 1.49
11 62.9% Bulgarian + 37.1% Irish @ 1.55
12 60.6% Bulgarian + 39.4% Danish @ 1.6
13 61.8% Bulgarian + 38.2% Orcadian @ 1.6
14 63.8% Bulgarian + 36.2% West_Scottish @ 1.76
15 77.5% Austrian + 22.5% Central_Greek @ 1.82
16 75.6% Austrian + 24.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.9
17 64.3% Serbian + 35.7% West_German @ 1.91
18 85% Austrian + 15% Cyprian @ 1.92
19 67.1% Romanian + 32.9% Southeast_English @ 1.93
20 68.7% Romanian + 31.3% Swedish @ 1.95

[Pribislav]

It's from her Herzegovinian part imo. Herzegovina has a strong medieval continuity according to y-dna research, while other Serbian regions had extinctions and were repopulated by mountain populations with more Vlach admixture.

i haven't seen a 100% Herzegovinian Serb dna result yet.

That is true, most of Herzegovinian Serbs have continuity in Herzegovina since middle age. It was known much before genetic researches, due to researches of historians and ethnologists.
Herzegovinian Serbs have about 60% I2a-Din+R1a which is for 6-7% higher than Serbian average, and they have less E1b+J2+R1b than Serbian average. If they have high Baltic score it's for sure conected with higher Slavic y dna than Serbian average. Two persons from Nikšić are over 30% Baltic and that is quite higher than Montenegrin average. People from Nikšić have partly Herzegovinian Serb origin from East Herzegovina, knjaz Nikola after 1877 settled many Serbs from East Herzegovina in Nikšić. Even more Nikšićani have origin from Katunska nahija in Old Montenegro. Nikšićani are atypical Montenegrins due to strong connection with real Herzegovina (which is in BiH).
Herzegovinian Serbs are far away from lightest Serbs, but genetic and pigmentation often don't match to each other.

[Vožd]

Maybe some Bosniaks or Croats were absorbed by Serbs in some areas, who knows.

What is your point? If Serbs score Baltic in Balkan area, that is because they are mixed with other Balkanites like Bosniaks?
Large number of Bosniaks are Serbs by origin, anyway.

[Pribislav]

What is your point? If Serbs score Baltic in Balkan area, that is because they are mixed with other Balkanites like Bosniaks?
Large number of Bosniaks are Serbs by origin, anyway.

Hungry Lion on few other Banija Serbs whose results I have seen shifted significant more northern than Serbian average, and mixing between Serbs and Croatians on Banija was extremely rare.
On the other hand guy from Vrlika in Dalmatia who is half Serb half Croatian is pretty more southern shifted than these Banija Serbs. He is more southern even than Aye's dad (full Dalmatian Serb) and one Serb from Šibenik.

[Leto]

What is your point? If Serbs score Baltic in Balkan area, that is because they are mixed with other Balkanites like Bosniaks?
Large number of Bosniaks are Serbs by origin, anyway.
Bosniaks often get 35% Baltic or so, a handful of samples were posted on this forum. Vlatko Vukovic type results.

[Dušan]

I've never been a Nordicist but that's beside the point. Sometimes you have to choose the lesser evil. Unless you support a Gypsy holocaust, there are two options available - either you allow them to breed further or you dilute them ethnoracially losing some of your whiteness as a result. At least they are Serbian Orthodox over there in Serbia, not Mudslime.
Russian Gypsies are virtually the same as Balkan since all European Roma have Balkan origin.

Or just wish them to have a nice trip to west Europe where they migrate from Balkans in large numbers.
And encourage that migration.

[Leto]

Or just wish them to have a nice trip to west Europe where they migrate from Balkans in large numbers.
And encourage that migration.
I don't know, man. Perhaps the number of Roma in Romania has been greatly reduced after their accession to the EU because around 3 million Romanian citizens live in states like Italy, Spain and Germany. A Spanish guy I know told me many Romanian immigrants in Spain looked non-white. So there is probably some truth to that.

[Dušan]

I don't know, man. Perhaps the number of Roma in Romania has been greatly reduced after their accession to the EU because around 3 million Romanian citizens live in states like Italy, Spain and Germany. A Spanish guy I know told me many Romanian immigrants in Spain looked non-white. So there is probably some truth to that.

It is true.
Most of ethnic minorities are leaving Serbia in large numbers, not just Gypsies.

[Pribislav]

A lot of posts here are about Gypsies, totally off-topic.

[Moje ime]

When talking about lower Baltic average for Serbs than Bosniaks should be taken into consideration how many times Serbia proper was depopulated and repopulated after wars probably with people from mountain areas who historically had to have more Balkan origin than Slavic. Just in WW1 Serbia lost one third of population, not to mention what happened before during Ottomans etc. I guess those changes must've had influence in average genatics.

[Pribislav]

When talking about lower Baltic average for Serbs than Bosniaks should be taken into consideration how many times Serbia proper was depopulated and repopulated after wars probably with people from mountain areas who historically had to have more Balkan origin than Slavic. Just in WW1 Serbia lost one third of population, not to mention what happened before during Ottomans etc. I guess those changes must've had influence in average genatics.

From what I have seen high Baltic tend have Bosniaks from northern Bosnia especially from Tuzla area. Large part of Bosniaks from Tuzla and whole NE Bosnia originated from Muslim muhajeers from Slavonia, Vojvodina and Hungary settled in NE Bosnia in late 17th century. Among these Muslims settlers there was for sure islamized Hungarians, Slovaks and Rusyns.
Tuzla Bosniaks tende to have 35-36% Baltic.

One Bosniak from Goražde is about 32% Baltic.
Bosniaks from Cazinska Krajina are usualy around 30% Baltic.
I have seen few Bosniaks from central Bosnia with 29-32% Baltic.

[Leto]

From what I have seen high Baltic tend have Bosniaks from northern Bosnia especially from Tuzla area. Large part of Bosniaks from Tuzla and whole NE Bosnia originated from Muslim muhajeers from Slavonia, Vojvodina and Hungary settled in NE Bosnia in late 17th century. Among these Muslims settlers there was for sure islamized Hungarians, Slovaks and Rusyns.
Tuzla Bosniaks tende to have 35-36% Baltic.

One Bosniak from Goražde is about 32% Baltic.
Bosniaks from Cazinska Krajina are usualy around 30% Baltic.
I have seen few Bosniaks from central Bosnia with 29-32% Baltic.
Bosniensis' Baltic and NA

23andme data
Baltic 29.57 Pct
North_Atlantic 22.59 Pct

FTDNA data
Baltic 28.79 Pct
North_Atlantic 25.11 Pct

The Bosniaks are a small ethnicity (only 2 million self-reported "Muslims" in Yugoslavia back in 1981), they should be fairly homogenous due to the limited gene pool.

[Bosniensis]

When talking about lower Baltic average for Serbs than Bosniaks should be taken into consideration how many times Serbia proper was depopulated and repopulated after wars probably with people from mountain areas who historically had to have more Balkan origin than Slavic. Just in WW1 Serbia lost one third of population, not to mention what happened before during Ottomans etc. I guess those changes must've had influence in average genatics.

A lot of Slavic population has died, and they were city dwellers.

I even suspect that most of muslims (Bosniaks) in Serbia in 1700-1800 were more slavic admixed, and they mostly moved to Turkey.

Mountain people (serbian villagers) were predominantly ex-romance villagers (vlachs) who had significantly less Baltic admixture.

It is true that Western Balkans has shifted more southwards due to influence of Ottoman Empire, Wars and Migrations.

[vbnetkhio]

A lot of Slavic population has died, and they were city dwellers.

i think there wasn't that much dying, they either convered to Islam, or fled to Croatia, Hungary or the Montenegrin mountains.

[vbnetkhio]

Hungry Lion on few other Banija Serbs whose results I have seen shifted significant more northern than Serbian average, and mixing between Serbs and Croatians on Banija was extremely rare.
On the other hand guy from Vrlika in Dalmatia who is half Serb half Croatian is pretty more southern shifted than these Banija Serbs. He is more southern even than Aye's dad (full Dalmatian Serb) and one Serb from Šibenik.

did you see these results? these 2 Dalmatian Serbs pass as South Montenegrins.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.59
2 North_Atlantic 25.26
3 West_Med 16.22
4 East_Med 15.21
5 West_Asian 12.45
6 Red_Sea 1.22
7 East_Asian 1.17
8 Siberian 1.13
9 Amerindian 0.77

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.64
2 Romanian 3.68
3 Bulgarian 6.02
4 Moldavian 8.04
5 Hungarian 10.35
6 Croatian 10.87
7 Austrian 13.31
8 Greek_Thessaly 14.58
9 East_German 15.05
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.22
11 West_German 17.74
12 North_Italian 17.76
13 South_Polish 17.83
14 Ukrainian 18.52
15 Tuscan 18.73
16 French 19.08
17 South_Dutch 19.34
18 Italian_Abruzzo 20.04
19 Central_Greek 21.17
20 Polish 21.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92% Serbian + 8% Balkar @ 1.85
2 91.9% Serbian + 8.1% Kabardin @ 1.91
3 92.6% Serbian + 7.4% North_Ossetian @ 1.92
4 92.8% Serbian + 7.2% Ossetian @ 1.98
5 92.4% Serbian + 7.6% Adygei @ 2
6 94% Serbian + 6% Abhkasian @ 2.09
7 92.2% Serbian + 7.8% Chechen @ 2.09
8 91.8% Serbian + 8.2% Kumyk @ 2.1
9 93.7% Serbian + 6.3% Georgian @ 2.14
10 72.5% Romanian + 27.5% Moldavian @ 2.23
11 92.6% Serbian + 7.4% Lezgin @ 2.23
12 92.6% Serbian + 7.4% Tabassaran @ 2.28
13 86% Romanian + 14% South_Polish @ 2.31
14 91.7% Serbian + 8.3% Nogay @ 2.31
15 85.6% Romanian + 14.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.31
16 88.3% Romanian + 11.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.32
17 86.6% Romanian + 13.4% Ukrainian @ 2.33
18 79% Romanian + 21% Croatian @ 2.37
19 88.4% Romanian + 11.6% Polish @ 2.38
20 90.1% Romanian + 9.9% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.4



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 27.24
2 Baltic 25.78
3 West_Med 17.76
4 East_Med 15.03
5 West_Asian 10.65
6 Siberian 1.68
7 Oceanian 0.78
8 Red_Sea 0.72
9 Northeast_African 0.25
10 Amerindian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.28
2 Romanian 4.31
3 Bulgarian 6.99
4 Moldavian 8.88
5 Hungarian 9.76
6 Croatian 11.15
7 Austrian 11.95
8 East_German 13.83
9 Greek_Thessaly 14.79
10 North_Italian 15.82
11 West_German 15.83
12 French 16.77
13 South_Dutch 17.36
14 Tuscan 17.53
15 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.65
16 South_Polish 17.98
17 Ukrainian 18.9
18 Portuguese 19.15
19 Spanish_Galicia 19.56
20 Spanish_Cataluna 19.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.9% Romanian + 21.1% East_German @ 2.3
2 64% Bulgarian + 36% Austrian @ 2.31
3 76.4% Romanian + 23.6% Austrian @ 2.33
4 67.5% Bulgarian + 32.5% East_German @ 2.38
5 87.3% Romanian + 12.7% Swedish @ 2.5
6 78.6% Bulgarian + 21.4% Swedish @ 2.51
7 87.4% Romanian + 12.6% North_Swedish @ 2.58
8 88% Romanian + 12% Norwegian @ 2.59
9 87.7% Romanian + 12.3% Orcadian @ 2.61
10 79.5% Bulgarian + 20.5% Norwegian @ 2.65
11 87.4% Romanian + 12.6% North_Dutch @ 2.66
12 88.3% Romanian + 11.7% Irish @ 2.69
13 88% Romanian + 12% Southwest_English @ 2.69
14 86.2% Romanian + 13.8% North_German @ 2.7
15 87.5% Romanian + 12.5% Danish @ 2.7
16 95.5% Serbian + 4.5% Sardinian @ 2.7
17 87.3% Romanian + 12.7% Southeast_English @ 2.73
18 88.7% Romanian + 11.3% West_Scottish @ 2.73
19 73.8% Romanian + 26.2% Hungarian @ 2.73
20 79.1% Bulgarian + 20.9% Orcadian @ 2.76

[ixulescu]

I've never been a Nordicist but that's beside the point. Sometimes you have to choose the lesser evil. Unless you support a Gypsy holocaust, there are two options available - either you allow them to breed further or you dilute them ethnoracially losing some of your whiteness as a result. At least they are Serbian Orthodox over there in Serbia, not Mudslime.Russian Gypsies are virtually the same as Balkan since all European Roma have Balkan origin.

This makes no sense.
It's like saying: all Blacks in Europe have Greek or Italian origin because they've migrated through these countries.

But I agree with you that fast and complete assimilation of gypsies is the only solution. The more this process is delayed the larger the gypsification of the country will be.

[Leto]

This makes no sense.
It's like saying: all Blacks in Europe have Greek or Italian origin because they've migrated through these countries.

But I agree with you that fast and complete assimilation of gypsies is the only solution. The more this process is delayed the larger the gypsification of the country will be.
It does make sense though. Gypsies in Northeastern Europe came there from the South at some point. The Roma ethnicity seems to have formed in the Ottoman domain which is basically the Balkans.

[ixulescu]

It does make sense though. Gypsies in Northeastern Europe came there from the South at some point. The Roma ethnicity seems to have formed in the Ottoman domain which is basically the Balkans.

Nope, gypsy migration was well known before the Ottomans. For instance, the Romanian principalities took the laws related to gypsies from the Byzantines. These laws were established around 1000 AD. The Balkans was just a stepping stone in this migration route towards Europe.

[vbnetkhio]

all the samples divided into clusters

https://i.imgur.com/h7W9yu2.png

[Pribislav]

did you see these results? these 2 Dalmatian Serbs pass as South Montenegrins.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.59
2 North_Atlantic 25.26
3 West_Med 16.22
4 East_Med 15.21
5 West_Asian 12.45
6 Red_Sea 1.22
7 East_Asian 1.17
8 Siberian 1.13
9 Amerindian 0.77

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.64
2 Romanian 3.68
3 Bulgarian 6.02
4 Moldavian 8.04
5 Hungarian 10.35
6 Croatian 10.87
7 Austrian 13.31
8 Greek_Thessaly 14.58
9 East_German 15.05
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.22
11 West_German 17.74
12 North_Italian 17.76
13 South_Polish 17.83
14 Ukrainian 18.52
15 Tuscan 18.73
16 French 19.08
17 South_Dutch 19.34
18 Italian_Abruzzo 20.04
19 Central_Greek 21.17
20 Polish 21.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92% Serbian + 8% Balkar @ 1.85
2 91.9% Serbian + 8.1% Kabardin @ 1.91
3 92.6% Serbian + 7.4% North_Ossetian @ 1.92
4 92.8% Serbian + 7.2% Ossetian @ 1.98
5 92.4% Serbian + 7.6% Adygei @ 2
6 94% Serbian + 6% Abhkasian @ 2.09
7 92.2% Serbian + 7.8% Chechen @ 2.09
8 91.8% Serbian + 8.2% Kumyk @ 2.1
9 93.7% Serbian + 6.3% Georgian @ 2.14
10 72.5% Romanian + 27.5% Moldavian @ 2.23
11 92.6% Serbian + 7.4% Lezgin @ 2.23
12 92.6% Serbian + 7.4% Tabassaran @ 2.28
13 86% Romanian + 14% South_Polish @ 2.31
14 91.7% Serbian + 8.3% Nogay @ 2.31
15 85.6% Romanian + 14.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.31
16 88.3% Romanian + 11.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.32
17 86.6% Romanian + 13.4% Ukrainian @ 2.33
18 79% Romanian + 21% Croatian @ 2.37
19 88.4% Romanian + 11.6% Polish @ 2.38
20 90.1% Romanian + 9.9% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.4



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 27.24
2 Baltic 25.78
3 West_Med 17.76
4 East_Med 15.03
5 West_Asian 10.65
6 Siberian 1.68
7 Oceanian 0.78
8 Red_Sea 0.72
9 Northeast_African 0.25
10 Amerindian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.28
2 Romanian 4.31
3 Bulgarian 6.99
4 Moldavian 8.88
5 Hungarian 9.76
6 Croatian 11.15
7 Austrian 11.95
8 East_German 13.83
9 Greek_Thessaly 14.79
10 North_Italian 15.82
11 West_German 15.83
12 French 16.77
13 South_Dutch 17.36
14 Tuscan 17.53
15 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.65
16 South_Polish 17.98
17 Ukrainian 18.9
18 Portuguese 19.15
19 Spanish_Galicia 19.56
20 Spanish_Cataluna 19.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.9% Romanian + 21.1% East_German @ 2.3
2 64% Bulgarian + 36% Austrian @ 2.31
3 76.4% Romanian + 23.6% Austrian @ 2.33
4 67.5% Bulgarian + 32.5% East_German @ 2.38
5 87.3% Romanian + 12.7% Swedish @ 2.5
6 78.6% Bulgarian + 21.4% Swedish @ 2.51
7 87.4% Romanian + 12.6% North_Swedish @ 2.58
8 88% Romanian + 12% Norwegian @ 2.59
9 87.7% Romanian + 12.3% Orcadian @ 2.61
10 79.5% Bulgarian + 20.5% Norwegian @ 2.65
11 87.4% Romanian + 12.6% North_Dutch @ 2.66
12 88.3% Romanian + 11.7% Irish @ 2.69
13 88% Romanian + 12% Southwest_English @ 2.69
14 86.2% Romanian + 13.8% North_German @ 2.7
15 87.5% Romanian + 12.5% Danish @ 2.7
16 95.5% Serbian + 4.5% Sardinian @ 2.7
17 87.3% Romanian + 12.7% Southeast_English @ 2.73
18 88.7% Romanian + 11.3% West_Scottish @ 2.73
19 73.8% Romanian + 26.2% Hungarian @ 2.73
20 79.1% Bulgarian + 20.9% Orcadian @ 2.76

Look like Zadar Croatians.

Montenegrins are rare 52-53% Baltic+NA like this ones.

[vbnetkhio]

Look like Zadar Croatians.

Montenegrins are rare 52-53% Baltic+NA like this ones.

they are around 50% usually, but Serbs are even higher.
remember this one from Plav and Cetinje posted by CommonSense, she is 27 and 25, just like the second one:



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 27.17
2 Baltic 25.94
3 East_Med 20.36
4 West_Med 19.07
5 West_Asian 5.13
6 Siberian 1.57
7 Red_Sea 0.39
8 Oceanian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.68
2 Romanian 6.84
3 Bulgarian 8.01
4 Moldavian 12.51
5 Hungarian 12.65
6 Greek_Thessaly 13.77
7 Croatian 13.97
8 North_Italian 14.7
9 Austrian 14.8
10 Tuscan 15.98
11 East_German 16.49
12 French 17.8
13 West_German 18
14 Portuguese 18.56
15 Spanish_Galicia 19.2
16 South_Dutch 19.35
17 Italian_Abruzzo 19.58
18 Spanish_Cataluna 19.61
19 West_Sicilian 20.01
20 Spanish_Extremadura 20.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.9% Tuscan + 37.1% Estonian_Polish @ 4.54
2 63.3% Tuscan + 36.7% Belorussian @ 4.56
3 61.1% Tuscan + 38.9% Southwest_Russian @ 4.66
4 67.1% Tuscan + 32.9% Lithuanian @ 4.72
5 57.4% Tuscan + 42.6% Ukrainian @ 4.8
6 63% Tuscan + 37% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.08
7 66.4% Tuscan + 33.6% Estonian @ 5.14
8 56.5% Tuscan + 43.5% South_Polish @ 5.17
9 89.7% Serbian + 10.3% Sardinian @ 5.19
10 60.8% West_Sicilian + 39.2% Estonian @ 5.21
11 62% Tuscan + 38% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.27
12 60.8% Tuscan + 39.2% Polish @ 5.37
13 53.9% Croatian + 46.1% Tuscan @ 5.39
14 50.4% West_Sicilian + 49.6% South_Polish @ 5.39
15 64.9% Tuscan + 35.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.41
16 57.7% West_Sicilian + 42.3% Belorussian @ 5.52
17 51.4% West_Sicilian + 48.6% Ukrainian @ 5.52
18 56.6% Tuscan + 43.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.56
19 80.2% Serbian + 19.8% Tuscan @ 5.57
20 67.3% Tuscan + 32.7% East_Finnish @ 5.58


btw, the surnames are Jaric and Djujic.

[Vožd]

A lot of Slavic population has died, and they were city dwellers.

I even suspect that most of muslims (Bosniaks) in Serbia in 1700-1800 were more slavic admixed, and they mostly moved to Turkey.

Mountain people (serbian villagers) were predominantly ex-romance villagers (vlachs) who had significantly less Baltic admixture.

It is true that Western Balkans has shifted more southwards due to influence of Ottoman Empire, Wars and Migrations.

Herzegovina was considered as Vlach center in western Balkan, but this region is core of Slavic I2a-Din hg.

[Pribislav]

they are around 50% usually, but Serbs are even higher.
remember this one from Plav and Cetinje posted by CommonSense, she is 27 and 25, just like the second one:



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 27.17
2 Baltic 25.94
3 East_Med 20.36
4 West_Med 19.07
5 West_Asian 5.13
6 Siberian 1.57
7 Red_Sea 0.39
8 Oceanian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.68
2 Romanian 6.84
3 Bulgarian 8.01
4 Moldavian 12.51
5 Hungarian 12.65
6 Greek_Thessaly 13.77
7 Croatian 13.97
8 North_Italian 14.7
9 Austrian 14.8
10 Tuscan 15.98
11 East_German 16.49
12 French 17.8
13 West_German 18
14 Portuguese 18.56
15 Spanish_Galicia 19.2
16 South_Dutch 19.35
17 Italian_Abruzzo 19.58
18 Spanish_Cataluna 19.61
19 West_Sicilian 20.01
20 Spanish_Extremadura 20.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.9% Tuscan + 37.1% Estonian_Polish @ 4.54
2 63.3% Tuscan + 36.7% Belorussian @ 4.56
3 61.1% Tuscan + 38.9% Southwest_Russian @ 4.66
4 67.1% Tuscan + 32.9% Lithuanian @ 4.72
5 57.4% Tuscan + 42.6% Ukrainian @ 4.8
6 63% Tuscan + 37% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.08
7 66.4% Tuscan + 33.6% Estonian @ 5.14
8 56.5% Tuscan + 43.5% South_Polish @ 5.17
9 89.7% Serbian + 10.3% Sardinian @ 5.19
10 60.8% West_Sicilian + 39.2% Estonian @ 5.21
11 62% Tuscan + 38% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.27
12 60.8% Tuscan + 39.2% Polish @ 5.37
13 53.9% Croatian + 46.1% Tuscan @ 5.39
14 50.4% West_Sicilian + 49.6% South_Polish @ 5.39
15 64.9% Tuscan + 35.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.41
16 57.7% West_Sicilian + 42.3% Belorussian @ 5.52
17 51.4% West_Sicilian + 48.6% Ukrainian @ 5.52
18 56.6% Tuscan + 43.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.56
19 80.2% Serbian + 19.8% Tuscan @ 5.57
20 67.3% Tuscan + 32.7% East_Finnish @ 5.58


btw, the surnames are Jaric and Djujic.

Can you post K13 of Dalmatian Serb who is most norhwestern of D. Serbs on your K13 map. He is close to one Serb from W. Serbia.

[Pribislav]

Herzegovina was considered as Vlach center in western Balkan, but this region is core of Slavic I2a-Din hg.

Herzegovinian Vlachs were fake Vlachs, they were just in "vlach" social status. Most of Herzegovinian clans who are recorded as "Vlach" in the middle age and early Ottoman period have Slavic y dna.

[vbnetkhio]

Herzegovina was considered as Vlach center in western Balkan, but this region is core of Slavic I2a-Din hg.

there are big differences within Herzegovina. the lowlands have more i2 and r1a and are more Slavic autosomally, and the highlands(where the Vlachs are) less so.

[Pribislav]

there are big differences within Herzegovina. the lowlands have more i2 and r1a and are more Slavic autosomally, and the highlands(where the Vlachs are) less so.

Old Herzegovina (western Montenegro) have pretty much non-Slavic y dna, like Kriči J2b1-M205, Drobnjaci Novljani I1-P109, Banjani and Pivljani N-P189.2 etc.

BiH Herzegovina has strong domination of Slavic y dna, among all 3 religions.

[Vožd]

Herzegovinian Vlachs were fake Vlachs, they were just in "vlach" social status. Most of Herzegovinian clans who are recorded as "Vlach" in the middle age and early Ottoman period have Slavic y dna.

Agree. "Vlachs" in Bosnia was also synonym for Orthodox Christians.

[Dušan]

all the samples divided into clusters

https://i.imgur.com/h7W9yu2.png

Great job! :thumb001:

How did you do it?

[vbnetkhio]

Can you post K13 of Dalmatian Serb who is most norhwestern of D. Serbs on your K13 map. He is close to one Serb from W. Serbia.

i'm not sure which one you mean, but it should be this one. very average Serb result with NA on the higher end.

Serb_Dalmatia
North_Atlantic28.69
Baltic29.30
West_Med14.98
West_Asian5.98
East_Med16.26
Red_Sea2.86
South_Asian0.41
East_Asian0.00
Siberian1.51
Amerindian0.00
Oceanian0.00
Northeast_African0.00
Sub_Saharan0.00

[vbnetkhio]

Great job! :thumb001:

How did you do it?

excel, Past3 and some editing in paint. just paste results(k13 or any other calc) from excel into Past, then go Multivariate>clustering>classical.

https://folk.uio.no/ohammer/past/ (it seems version 4 is out now.)

[Pribislav]

Agree. "Vlachs" in Bosnia was also synonym for Orthodox Christians.

Old Herzegovina became part Montenegro in 1878. But Old Herzegovina is tribal same as Brda and Old Montenegro. BiH Herzegovina is not tribal.
There is a view that natural Montenegro is where exist tribes. In that case Old Herzegovina is natural Montenegro, regardless on fact that became part of Montenegro in 1878.

[Pribislav]

i'm not sure which one you mean, but it should be this one. very average Serb result with NA on the higher end.

Serb_Dalmatia
North_Atlantic28.69
Baltic29.30
West_Med14.98
West_Asian5.98
East_Med16.26
Red_Sea2.86
South_Asian0.41
East_Asian0.00
Siberian1.51
Amerindian0.00
Oceanian0.00
Northeast_African0.00
Sub_Saharan0.00

I know that guy, he is from Šibenik area. I have seen one D. Serb who is more NW than him, but not sure on your or on map of Croatian guy from Zagorje.

[vbnetkhio]

I know that guy, he is from Šibenik area. I have seen one D. Serb who is more NW than him, but not sure on your or on map of Croatian guy from Zagorje.

you mean the old k15 map? k15 is not very reliable, i don't use it anymore.

it's probably this one, it's the most northern D.Serb k15 i have, his first 4 components add up to 68%. i only have his k15.

North_Sea20.55
Atlantic16.22
Baltic17.39
Eastern_Euro14.31
West_Med13.08
West_Asian4.08
East_Med12.61
Red_Sea1.33
South_Asian0
Southeast_Asian0
Siberian0.1
Amerindian0
Oceanian0.34
Northeast_African0
Sub0Saharan0

[Pribislav]

you mean the old k15 map? k15 is not very reliable, i don't use it anymore.

it's probably this one, it's the most northern D.Serb k15 i have, his first 4 components add up to 68%. i only have his k15.

North_Sea20.55
Atlantic16.22
Baltic17.39
Eastern_Euro14.31
West_Med13.08
West_Asian4.08
East_Med12.61
Red_Sea1.33
South_Asian0
Southeast_Asian0
Siberian0.1
Amerindian0
Oceanian0.34
Northeast_African0
Sub0Saharan0

You don't have his K13?

[vbnetkhio]

You don't have his K13?

no

[Pribislav]

they are around 50% usually, but Serbs are even higher.
remember this one from Plav and Cetinje posted by CommonSense, she is 27 and 25, just like the second one:



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 27.17
2 Baltic 25.94
3 East_Med 20.36
4 West_Med 19.07
5 West_Asian 5.13
6 Siberian 1.57
7 Red_Sea 0.39
8 Oceanian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.68
2 Romanian 6.84
3 Bulgarian 8.01
4 Moldavian 12.51
5 Hungarian 12.65
6 Greek_Thessaly 13.77
7 Croatian 13.97
8 North_Italian 14.7
9 Austrian 14.8
10 Tuscan 15.98
11 East_German 16.49
12 French 17.8
13 West_German 18
14 Portuguese 18.56
15 Spanish_Galicia 19.2
16 South_Dutch 19.35
17 Italian_Abruzzo 19.58
18 Spanish_Cataluna 19.61
19 West_Sicilian 20.01
20 Spanish_Extremadura 20.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.9% Tuscan + 37.1% Estonian_Polish @ 4.54
2 63.3% Tuscan + 36.7% Belorussian @ 4.56
3 61.1% Tuscan + 38.9% Southwest_Russian @ 4.66
4 67.1% Tuscan + 32.9% Lithuanian @ 4.72
5 57.4% Tuscan + 42.6% Ukrainian @ 4.8
6 63% Tuscan + 37% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.08
7 66.4% Tuscan + 33.6% Estonian @ 5.14
8 56.5% Tuscan + 43.5% South_Polish @ 5.17
9 89.7% Serbian + 10.3% Sardinian @ 5.19
10 60.8% West_Sicilian + 39.2% Estonian @ 5.21
11 62% Tuscan + 38% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.27
12 60.8% Tuscan + 39.2% Polish @ 5.37
13 53.9% Croatian + 46.1% Tuscan @ 5.39
14 50.4% West_Sicilian + 49.6% South_Polish @ 5.39
15 64.9% Tuscan + 35.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.41
16 57.7% West_Sicilian + 42.3% Belorussian @ 5.52
17 51.4% West_Sicilian + 48.6% Ukrainian @ 5.52
18 56.6% Tuscan + 43.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.56
19 80.2% Serbian + 19.8% Tuscan @ 5.57
20 67.3% Tuscan + 32.7% East_Finnish @ 5.58


btw, the surnames are Jaric and Djujic.

Djujić is maybe same person who is tested on y dna (R1a-M458>L1029), and according to whose results is determinated y dna of vojvoda Momčilo Djujić. Tested Djujić live in USA, he have paternal origin from same village as vojvoda. In USA Serbs from various regions are mixed with each other. My cousins full D. Serb which live in Chicago is married for Serb from northern Bosnia, my other cousin D. Serb also from Chicago is married for Serb from Požega in W. Serbia.

Jarić is R1a-Z280>Y2613. He has a match in y dna with some Croatian from some island, Pašman or something. Jarić tested on y dna is from Zrmanja in southern Lika, close to Dalmatia but not Dalmatia.

[Pribislav]

you mean the old k15 map? k15 is not very reliable, i don't use it anymore.

it's probably this one, it's the most northern D.Serb k15 i have, his first 4 components add up to 68%. i only have his k15.

North_Sea20.55
Atlantic16.22
Baltic17.39
Eastern_Euro14.31
West_Med13.08
West_Asian4.08
East_Med12.61
Red_Sea1.33
South_Asian0
Southeast_Asian0
Siberian0.1
Amerindian0
Oceanian0.34
Northeast_African0
Sub0Saharan0

His position on K15 map.
https://i.imgur.com/IFBeNU8.jpg

[Bosniensis]

His position on K15 map.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/IFBeNU8.jpg[/MG]

way northern than average Serb indeed.

[vbnetkhio]

way northern than average Serb indeed.

more western, the average Serb is halfway between the Serbian and Croatian points.

but k15 is not that good anyways.

[MiloshN]

Hmm where I can fit?

[Pribislav]

more western, the average Serb is halfway between the Serbian and Croatian points.

but k15 is not that good anyways.

Maybe Krajina Serbs are western shifted due to I1. It's high among Dalmatian Serbs, but Lika Serbs have about Serbian average, and Kordun and Banija Serbs less than Serbian average.
Also, maybe it's partly connected with clades of R1a which are specific for Krajina Serbs R1a-Z280>YP951 and R1a-Z280>Y2613.

[vbnetkhio]

Hmm where I can fit?

but you didn't test yet :D

[vbnetkhio]

Maybe Krajina Serbs are western shifted due to I1. It's high among Dalmatian Serbs, but Lika Serbs have about Serbian average, and Kordun and Banija Serbs less than Serbian average.
Also, maybe it's partly connected with clades of R1a which are specific for Krajina Serbs R1a-Z280>YP951 and R1a-Z280>Y2613.

they aren't particularly west shifted. Dušan made a k13 average for Serbs from Croatia, it's only 24.61 North_Atlantic. but Serbs as a whole are more West shifted than i expected.

[Pribislav]

they aren't particularly west shifted. Dušan made a k13 average for Serbs from Croatia, it's only 24.61 North_Atlantic. but Serbs as a whole are more West shifted than i expected.

Most of Krajina Serbs whose position on K15 I have seen were more western than Serbian average. Hungry Lion, Dalmatian Serb up, Dalmatian Serb from Šibenik, Aye's dad, Siniša Jerković (from Grmeč), other Banija Serb from my thread etc. are all more western than Serbian average.

[MiloshN]

but you didn't test yet :D

nope :D

[CommonSense]

My mom's results:

https://i.imgur.com/VIhwhpj.png

Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.18
2 North_Atlantic 22.11
3 East_Med 17.65
4 West_Med 14.53
5 West_Asian 10.12
6 South_Asian 2.81
7 Oceanian 0.6

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 7.11
2 Serbian 7.3
3 Romanian 8.14
4 Bulgarian 8.83
5 Croatian 9.49
6 Hungarian 11.61
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.01
8 South_Polish 15.8
9 Austrian 15.88
10 Ukrainian 15.92
11 East_German 16.76
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.19
13 Southwest_Russian 18.21
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.41
15 Polish 19.18
16 Russian_Smolensk 20.52
17 Estonian_Polish 20.95
18 Belorussian 21.54
19 West_German 21.9
20 Tatar 22.06

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.8% Greek_Thessaly + 48.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.32
2 51.5% Greek_Thessaly + 48.5% Southwest_Russian @ 3.4
3 68.8% Bulgarian + 31.2% Southwest_Russian @ 3.52
4 69.1% Bulgarian + 30.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.58
5 70.9% Ukrainian + 29.1% Cyprian @ 3.63
6 61.3% Southwest_Russian + 38.7% South_Italian @ 3.68
7 76.2% Bulgarian + 23.8% Lithuanian @ 3.7
8 57.2% Southwest_Russian + 42.8% Central_Greek @ 3.72
9 61% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 39% South_Italian @ 3.77
10 60.5% Greek_Thessaly + 39.5% Lithuanian @ 3.77
11 72.1% Bulgarian + 27.9% Estonian_Polish @ 3.78
12 72.7% Bulgarian + 27.3% Belorussian @ 3.81
13 51.9% Central_Greek + 48.1% Lithuanian @ 3.85
14 71.7% Bulgarian + 28.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.87
15 71.2% South_Polish + 28.8% Cyprian @ 3.89
16 56.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 43.1% Central_Greek @ 3.92
17 52.4% Lithuanian + 47.6% South_Italian @ 3.93
18 54.6% Greek_Thessaly + 45.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 4
19 55.2% Greek_Thessaly + 44.8% Estonian_Polish @ 4.04
20 53.6% Estonian_Polish + 46.4% Central_Greek @ 4.05


Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 19.68
2 North_Sea 18.71
3 East_Med 14.85
4 Eastern_Euro 12.65
5 Atlantic 12.43
6 West_Med 10.19
7 West_Asian 9.31
8 South_Asian 1.9
9 Oceanian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.72
2 Serbian 6.97
3 Moldavian 7.1
4 Bulgarian 8.53
5 Croatian 9.55
6 Hungarian 9.7
7 Austrian 11.88
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.71
9 Greek_Thessaly 14.52
10 South_Polish 14.63
11 Ukrainian 14.64
12 East_German 15.13
13 Greek 16.12
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.2
15 Polish 17.42
16 Russian_Smolensk 17.67
17 Southwest_Russian 17.77
18 West_German 19.57
19 Tuscan 19.58
20 Belorussian 19.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.9% Moldavian + 13.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.82
2 70.4% Ukrainian + 29.6% Cyprian @ 3.85
3 55.4% Greek_Thessaly + 44.6% Southwest_Russian @ 3.86
4 60.1% Greek_Thessaly + 39.9% Estonian @ 3.87
5 59.3% Ukrainian + 40.7% Central_Greek @ 3.95
6 54.5% Greek_Thessaly + 45.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.97
7 63.2% Ukrainian + 36.8% South_Italian @ 4.06
8 50.2% Greek_Thessaly + 49.8% Ukrainian @ 4.07
9 71.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.1% Cyprian @ 4.15
10 50.2% Greek_Thessaly + 49.8% South_Polish @ 4.16
11 61.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 38.9% Central_Greek @ 4.21
12 50.6% Central_Greek + 49.4% Estonian @ 4.21
13 61.6% Greek_Thessaly + 38.4% Lithuanian @ 4.22
14 74% Ukrainian + 26% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.27
15 51.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 48.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.27
16 58% Greek_Thessaly + 42% Belorussian @ 4.27
17 70.6% South_Polish + 29.4% Cyprian @ 4.28
18 64.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 35.1% South_Italian @ 4.32
19 87.7% Moldavian + 12.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.36
20 54.9% Greek_Thessaly + 45.1% Polish @ 4.46


Eurogenes K36:

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 1.57 Pct
Basque 0.31 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.78 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 6.77 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 16.13 Pct
East_Med 8.89 Pct
Eastern_Euro 13.36 Pct
Fennoscandian 4.34 Pct
French 3.48 Pct
Iberian 5.36 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 16.90 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 5.03 Pct
North_Caucasian 0.31 Pct
North_Sea 3.58 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.59 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.97 Pct
West_Med 0.61 Pct


MDLP K16 Modern:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 29.66
2 NorthEastEuropean 24.79
3 Neolithic 24.04
4 Steppe 18.63
5 NorthAfrican 1.78
6 Indian 0.9
7 Australian 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 3.96
2 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.11
3 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.12
4 Croat (Croatia) 4.4
5 Serbian (Serbia) 4.82
6 Moldavian (Molodva) 4.83
7 Romanian (Apuseni) 5.31
8 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 5.72
9 Cossack (Zaporozhie) 6.05
10 Hungarian (Budapest) 6.24
11 Slovenian (Slovenia) 6.33
12 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 6.39
13 Macedonian (Macedonia) 6.61
14 Austrian (Austria) 6.67
15 Romanian (Gorj) 6.78
16 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 6.81
17 Hungarian (Hungary) 6.88
18 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 8.18
19 German (SouthGermany) 8.28
20 Slovak (Slovakia) 8.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.7% Pole (EastPoland) + 17.3% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.46
2 80.8% Sorb (Lusatia) + 19.2% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.47
3 84% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 16% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.53
4 83.8% Slovak (Slovakia) + 16.2% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.71
5 92.7% Croat (Croatia) + 7.3% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.76
6 59.5% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 40.5% Pole (EastPoland) @ 2.82
7 85% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 15% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.83
8 91.8% Croat (Croatia) + 8.2% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.84
9 67.4% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 32.6% Belarusian (Kobryn_Brest) @ 2.86
10 70.5% Pole (EastPoland) + 29.5% Greek (Greece) @ 2.89
11 86.7% Hungarian (Hungary) + 13.3% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.89
12 91.3% Croat (Croatia) + 8.7% Adygei (Adygea) @ 2.89
13 68.2% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 31.8% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.91
14 92.5% Croat (Croatia) + 7.5% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.92
15 91.9% Croat (Croatia) + 8.1% Abkhazian (Gudauta) @ 2.92
16 87.5% Hungarian (Hungary) + 12.5% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.94
17 83.2% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 16.8% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.95
18 91.4% Croat (Croatia) + 8.6% Chechen (Chechnya) @ 2.96
19 85.9% Hungarian (Hungary) + 14.1% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.97
20 91.3% Croat (Croatia) + 8.7% Abkhazian_Lykhny (Lykhny) @ 2.97


Dodecad K12B:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 41.52
2 Atlantic_Med 24.44
3 Caucasus 22.36
4 Gedrosia 5.52
5 Southwest_Asian 4.27
6 South_Asian 1.76
7 Siberian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 7.88
2 Hungarians (Behar) 8.99
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 9.77
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.49
5 German (Dodecad) 15.38
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 20.39
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 21.08
8 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 21.61
9 Dutch (Dodecad) 21.77
10 Polish (Dodecad) 22.71
11 N_Italian (Dodecad) 22.71
12 French (Dodecad) 22.81
13 French (HGDP) 23.08
14 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 24.11
15 Kent (1000Genomes) 24.15
16 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 24.18
17 English (Dodecad) 24.39
18 Greek (Dodecad) 24.66
19 Swedish (Dodecad) 25.06
20 TSI30 (Metspalu) 25.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.9% Armenians (Behar) @ 1.62
2 85% Hungarians (Behar) + 15% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 1.66
3 85% Hungarians (Behar) + 15% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 1.66
4 81.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 18.4% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 1.97
5 85.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.7% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 2
6 85% Hungarians (Behar) + 15% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.07
7 85.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.6% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 2.08
8 82.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 17.7% Turks (Behar) @ 2.16
9 53.6% Romanians (Behar) + 46.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.42
10 52.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 47.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.45
11 84.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 15.6% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.53
12 72.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 27.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.53
13 77% Romanians (Behar) + 23% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.57
14 85.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.58
15 85.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.58
16 83.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 16.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.68
17 56.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 43.7% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.72
18 85.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.3% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.76
19 50.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 49.4% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.81
20 56.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 43.6% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.83


puntdnal K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 49.13
2 Mediterranean 28.2
3 Caucasian 14.26
4 SW_Asian 5
5 S_Indian 1.86
6 Horn_Of_Africa 1.28
7 Amerindian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.02
2 Croatian 4.18
3 Bosnian 6.01
4 Hungarian 6.14
5 South_German 7
6 Austrian 7.24
7 Utahn_White 7.42
8 Slovenian 7.44
9 French 8.01
10 Irish 8.06
11 Macedonian 8.12
12 Orcadian 9.16
13 English 9.2
14 Romanian 9.72
15 North_German 10.24
16 Bulgarian 10.29
17 Scottish 10.72
18 Norwegian 11.91
19 Montenegrin 12.22
20 Swedish 13.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.3% Irish + 14.7% Syrian @ 1.12
2 85.3% Irish + 14.7% Iraqi_Jew @ 1.13
3 87.9% Croatian + 12.1% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.17
4 89.3% Croatian + 10.7% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.21
5 73.6% Polish + 26.4% Cypriot @ 1.23
6 83% North_German + 17% Druze @ 1.25
7 84.8% Irish + 15.2% Lebanese @ 1.29
8 88.5% Croatian + 11.5% Sicilian @ 1.3
9 78.3% Swedish + 21.7% Druze @ 1.31
10 86.1% Slovenian + 13.9% Cypriot @ 1.31
11 85.5% Irish + 14.5% Jordanian @ 1.33
12 88.3% Hungarian + 11.7% Cypriot @ 1.33
13 86.8% Slovenian + 13.2% Samaritian @ 1.34
14 75.7% Hungarian + 24.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.34
15 77.7% Hungarian + 22.3% Greek_Central @ 1.35
16 56.3% Polish + 43.7% Greek_Central @ 1.35
17 54.9% Bosnian + 45.1% Austrian @ 1.36
18 92.4% Croatian + 7.6% Samaritian @ 1.37
19 87.4% Austrian + 12.6% Assyrian @ 1.39
20 84.8% Hungarian + 15.2% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.4

[Luke35]

My mom's results:

Cool man. Any notable differences when compared to your results on Eurogenes K13, K15?

[CommonSense]

Cool man. Any notable differences when compared to your results on Eurogenes K13, K15?

She gets slightly more Northern European components than I do. Also more East Med compared to West Med, while in my case the opposite is true. And the noise, non-European, components seem to have been compressed - she scores no mongoloid, but a hightened South Asian, like that guy from Central Serbia.

However my kit, having been done with the old chip, gets over 2 times more SNPs on all of these calculators, so this is likely a bit imprecise.

[Leto]

She gets slightly more Northern European components than I do. Also more East Med compared to West Med, while in my case the opposite is true. And the noise, non-European, components seem to have been compressed - she scores no mongoloid, but a hightened South Asian, like that guy from Central Serbia.

However my kit, having been done with the old chip, gets over 2 times more SNPs on all of these calculators, so this is likely a bit imprecise.
A silly question but does your mom look light? Blue eyes, light hair, things like that. No?

[CommonSense]

A silly question but does your mom look light? Blue eyes, light hair, things like that. No?

No. Medium brown hair, hazel eyes. The traits on yourdnaportal say that she is more likely to have brown eyes than blue and that she has some genes for blonde hair. And she's 180 cm tall, in case that matters.

[Luke35]

She gets slightly more Northern European components than I do. Also more East Med compared to West Med, while in my case the opposite is true. And the noise, non-European, components seem to have been compressed - she scores no mongoloid, but a hightened South Asian, like that guy from Central Serbia.

However my kit, having been done with the old chip, gets over 2 times more SNPs on all of these calculators, so this is likely a bit imprecise.

I was wondering about the SNP's. I had noticed the elevated South Asian and did not remember that from your results.

I suppose it's possible that some of her results can be attributable to the lower SNP count, but still may very well be representative of some small variations between you two, quite interesting.

[Leto]

And the noise, non-European, components seem to have been compressed - she scores no mongoloid, but a hightened South Asian, like that guy from Central Serbia.

Do you think it's noise? Around 2% S Asian. I'm not saying it can't be but here's a usual TA-style assumption: maybe distant Romani? :biggrin:

[Leto]

I was wondering about the SNP's. I had noticed the elevated South Asian and did not remember that from your results.

I suppose it's possible that some of her results can be attributable to the lower SNP count, but still may very well be representative of some small variations between you two, quite interesting.
Both FTDNA and MH provide the same amount of SNPs - 77k on Eurogenes. It changed back in early 2019.

[CommonSense]

Do you think it's noise? Around 2% S Asian. I'm not saying it can't be but here's a usual TA-style assumption: maybe distant Romani? :biggrin:

You can see MyHeritage just gives her Balkan + Eastern Europe. Among the close matches nobody has any South Asian (mostly people from Croatia), so I don't really know. Race-mixing was extremely rare a hundred years ago, but today it's common outside of Belgrade.



I was wondering about the SNP's. I had noticed the elevated South Asian and did not remember that from your results.
I suppose it's possible that some of her results can be attributable to the lower SNP count, but still may very well be representative of some small variations between you two, quite interesting.

Ayetooey told me to expect some weird noise while I was uploading the data to gedmatch, because his dad got like 2% East Asian, and he was right.

[Dick]

My mom's results:

https://i.imgur.com/VIhwhpj.png

Eurogenes K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.18
2 North_Atlantic 22.11
3 East_Med 17.65
4 West_Med 14.53
5 West_Asian 10.12
6 South_Asian 2.81
7 Oceanian 0.6

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 7.11
2 Serbian 7.3
3 Romanian 8.14
4 Bulgarian 8.83
5 Croatian 9.49
6 Hungarian 11.61
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.01
8 South_Polish 15.8
9 Austrian 15.88
10 Ukrainian 15.92
11 East_German 16.76
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.19
13 Southwest_Russian 18.21
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.41
15 Polish 19.18
16 Russian_Smolensk 20.52
17 Estonian_Polish 20.95
18 Belorussian 21.54
19 West_German 21.9
20 Tatar 22.06

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.8% Greek_Thessaly + 48.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.32
2 51.5% Greek_Thessaly + 48.5% Southwest_Russian @ 3.4
3 68.8% Bulgarian + 31.2% Southwest_Russian @ 3.52
4 69.1% Bulgarian + 30.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.58
5 70.9% Ukrainian + 29.1% Cyprian @ 3.63
6 61.3% Southwest_Russian + 38.7% South_Italian @ 3.68
7 76.2% Bulgarian + 23.8% Lithuanian @ 3.7
8 57.2% Southwest_Russian + 42.8% Central_Greek @ 3.72
9 61% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 39% South_Italian @ 3.77
10 60.5% Greek_Thessaly + 39.5% Lithuanian @ 3.77
11 72.1% Bulgarian + 27.9% Estonian_Polish @ 3.78
12 72.7% Bulgarian + 27.3% Belorussian @ 3.81
13 51.9% Central_Greek + 48.1% Lithuanian @ 3.85
14 71.7% Bulgarian + 28.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.87
15 71.2% South_Polish + 28.8% Cyprian @ 3.89
16 56.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 43.1% Central_Greek @ 3.92
17 52.4% Lithuanian + 47.6% South_Italian @ 3.93
18 54.6% Greek_Thessaly + 45.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 4
19 55.2% Greek_Thessaly + 44.8% Estonian_Polish @ 4.04
20 53.6% Estonian_Polish + 46.4% Central_Greek @ 4.05


Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 19.68
2 North_Sea 18.71
3 East_Med 14.85
4 Eastern_Euro 12.65
5 Atlantic 12.43
6 West_Med 10.19
7 West_Asian 9.31
8 South_Asian 1.9
9 Oceanian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.72
2 Serbian 6.97
3 Moldavian 7.1
4 Bulgarian 8.53
5 Croatian 9.55
6 Hungarian 9.7
7 Austrian 11.88
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.71
9 Greek_Thessaly 14.52
10 South_Polish 14.63
11 Ukrainian 14.64
12 East_German 15.13
13 Greek 16.12
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.2
15 Polish 17.42
16 Russian_Smolensk 17.67
17 Southwest_Russian 17.77
18 West_German 19.57
19 Tuscan 19.58
20 Belorussian 19.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.9% Moldavian + 13.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.82
2 70.4% Ukrainian + 29.6% Cyprian @ 3.85
3 55.4% Greek_Thessaly + 44.6% Southwest_Russian @ 3.86
4 60.1% Greek_Thessaly + 39.9% Estonian @ 3.87
5 59.3% Ukrainian + 40.7% Central_Greek @ 3.95
6 54.5% Greek_Thessaly + 45.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.97
7 63.2% Ukrainian + 36.8% South_Italian @ 4.06
8 50.2% Greek_Thessaly + 49.8% Ukrainian @ 4.07
9 71.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.1% Cyprian @ 4.15
10 50.2% Greek_Thessaly + 49.8% South_Polish @ 4.16
11 61.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 38.9% Central_Greek @ 4.21
12 50.6% Central_Greek + 49.4% Estonian @ 4.21
13 61.6% Greek_Thessaly + 38.4% Lithuanian @ 4.22
14 74% Ukrainian + 26% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.27
15 51.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 48.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.27
16 58% Greek_Thessaly + 42% Belorussian @ 4.27
17 70.6% South_Polish + 29.4% Cyprian @ 4.28
18 64.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 35.1% South_Italian @ 4.32
19 87.7% Moldavian + 12.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.36
20 54.9% Greek_Thessaly + 45.1% Polish @ 4.46


Eurogenes K36:

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 1.57 Pct
Basque 0.31 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.78 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 6.77 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 16.13 Pct
East_Med 8.89 Pct
Eastern_Euro 13.36 Pct
Fennoscandian 4.34 Pct
French 3.48 Pct
Iberian 5.36 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 16.90 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 5.03 Pct
North_Caucasian 0.31 Pct
North_Sea 3.58 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.59 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.97 Pct
West_Med 0.61 Pct


MDLP K16 Modern:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 29.66
2 NorthEastEuropean 24.79
3 Neolithic 24.04
4 Steppe 18.63
5 NorthAfrican 1.78
6 Indian 0.9
7 Australian 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 3.96
2 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.11
3 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 4.12
4 Croat (Croatia) 4.4
5 Serbian (Serbia) 4.82
6 Moldavian (Molodva) 4.83
7 Romanian (Apuseni) 5.31
8 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 5.72
9 Cossack (Zaporozhie) 6.05
10 Hungarian (Budapest) 6.24
11 Slovenian (Slovenia) 6.33
12 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 6.39
13 Macedonian (Macedonia) 6.61
14 Austrian (Austria) 6.67
15 Romanian (Gorj) 6.78
16 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 6.81
17 Hungarian (Hungary) 6.88
18 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 8.18
19 German (SouthGermany) 8.28
20 Slovak (Slovakia) 8.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.7% Pole (EastPoland) + 17.3% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.46
2 80.8% Sorb (Lusatia) + 19.2% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.47
3 84% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 16% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.53
4 83.8% Slovak (Slovakia) + 16.2% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.71
5 92.7% Croat (Croatia) + 7.3% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.76
6 59.5% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 40.5% Pole (EastPoland) @ 2.82
7 85% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 15% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.83
8 91.8% Croat (Croatia) + 8.2% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.84
9 67.4% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 32.6% Belarusian (Kobryn_Brest) @ 2.86
10 70.5% Pole (EastPoland) + 29.5% Greek (Greece) @ 2.89
11 86.7% Hungarian (Hungary) + 13.3% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.89
12 91.3% Croat (Croatia) + 8.7% Adygei (Adygea) @ 2.89
13 68.2% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) + 31.8% Belarusian (Belarus) @ 2.91
14 92.5% Croat (Croatia) + 7.5% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.92
15 91.9% Croat (Croatia) + 8.1% Abkhazian (Gudauta) @ 2.92
16 87.5% Hungarian (Hungary) + 12.5% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.94
17 83.2% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) + 16.8% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.95
18 91.4% Croat (Croatia) + 8.6% Chechen (Chechnya) @ 2.96
19 85.9% Hungarian (Hungary) + 14.1% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.97
20 91.3% Croat (Croatia) + 8.7% Abkhazian_Lykhny (Lykhny) @ 2.97


Dodecad K12B:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 41.52
2 Atlantic_Med 24.44
3 Caucasus 22.36
4 Gedrosia 5.52
5 Southwest_Asian 4.27
6 South_Asian 1.76
7 Siberian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 7.88
2 Hungarians (Behar) 8.99
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 9.77
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.49
5 German (Dodecad) 15.38
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 20.39
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 21.08
8 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 21.61
9 Dutch (Dodecad) 21.77
10 Polish (Dodecad) 22.71
11 N_Italian (Dodecad) 22.71
12 French (Dodecad) 22.81
13 French (HGDP) 23.08
14 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 24.11
15 Kent (1000Genomes) 24.15
16 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 24.18
17 English (Dodecad) 24.39
18 Greek (Dodecad) 24.66
19 Swedish (Dodecad) 25.06
20 TSI30 (Metspalu) 25.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.9% Armenians (Behar) @ 1.62
2 85% Hungarians (Behar) + 15% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 1.66
3 85% Hungarians (Behar) + 15% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 1.66
4 81.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 18.4% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 1.97
5 85.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.7% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 2
6 85% Hungarians (Behar) + 15% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.07
7 85.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.6% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 2.08
8 82.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 17.7% Turks (Behar) @ 2.16
9 53.6% Romanians (Behar) + 46.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.42
10 52.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 47.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.45
11 84.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 15.6% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.53
12 72.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 27.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.53
13 77% Romanians (Behar) + 23% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.57
14 85.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.1% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.58
15 85.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.58
16 83.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 16.5% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.68
17 56.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 43.7% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.72
18 85.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.3% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.76
19 50.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 49.4% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.81
20 56.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 43.6% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.83


puntdnal K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_European 49.13
2 Mediterranean 28.2
3 Caucasian 14.26
4 SW_Asian 5
5 S_Indian 1.86
6 Horn_Of_Africa 1.28
7 Amerindian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.02
2 Croatian 4.18
3 Bosnian 6.01
4 Hungarian 6.14
5 South_German 7
6 Austrian 7.24
7 Utahn_White 7.42
8 Slovenian 7.44
9 French 8.01
10 Irish 8.06
11 Macedonian 8.12
12 Orcadian 9.16
13 English 9.2
14 Romanian 9.72
15 North_German 10.24
16 Bulgarian 10.29
17 Scottish 10.72
18 Norwegian 11.91
19 Montenegrin 12.22
20 Swedish 13.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.3% Irish + 14.7% Syrian @ 1.12
2 85.3% Irish + 14.7% Iraqi_Jew @ 1.13
3 87.9% Croatian + 12.1% Ashkenazy_Jew @ 1.17
4 89.3% Croatian + 10.7% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.21
5 73.6% Polish + 26.4% Cypriot @ 1.23
6 83% North_German + 17% Druze @ 1.25
7 84.8% Irish + 15.2% Lebanese @ 1.29
8 88.5% Croatian + 11.5% Sicilian @ 1.3
9 78.3% Swedish + 21.7% Druze @ 1.31
10 86.1% Slovenian + 13.9% Cypriot @ 1.31
11 85.5% Irish + 14.5% Jordanian @ 1.33
12 88.3% Hungarian + 11.7% Cypriot @ 1.33
13 86.8% Slovenian + 13.2% Samaritian @ 1.34
14 75.7% Hungarian + 24.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.34
15 77.7% Hungarian + 22.3% Greek_Central @ 1.35
16 56.3% Polish + 43.7% Greek_Central @ 1.35
17 54.9% Bosnian + 45.1% Austrian @ 1.36
18 92.4% Croatian + 7.6% Samaritian @ 1.37
19 87.4% Austrian + 12.6% Assyrian @ 1.39
20 84.8% Hungarian + 15.2% Sephardic_Jew @ 1.4


Congratulations. What does her mldp 23 look like

[CommonSense]

Congratulations. What does her mldp 23 look like

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 36.16
2 Caucasian 33.77
3 European_Early_Farmers 14.91
4 South_Central_Asian 4.67
5 Near_East 3.11
6 South_Indian 2.31
7 North_African 2.15
8 Ancestral_Altaic 2.12
9 Melano_Polynesian 0.78
10 Amerindian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian ( ) 3.61
2 Croat_BH ( ) 3.72
3 Serb_BH ( ) 4.32
4 Croat ( ) 4.58
5 Montenegrian ( ) 5.54
6 Bulgarian ( ) 6.13
7 Macedonian ( ) 6.32
8 Serb_Serbia ( ) 6.49
9 Romanian ( ) 6.9
10 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 9.07
11 Ukrainian_West ( ) 9.43
12 Czech ( ) 9.73
13 Slovenian ( ) 10.17
14 Slovak ( ) 10.45
15 Hungarian ( ) 10.68
16 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain ( ) 10.8
17 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 10.85
18 Turk_Balikesir ( ) 10.91
19 Ukrainian_East ( ) 11.25
20 Gagauz ( ) 11.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70% Czech ( ) + 30% Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) @ 1.64
2 82.8% Czech ( ) + 17.2% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 1.76
3 89.3% Bosnian ( ) + 10.7% Kurd_East ( ) @ 1.81
4 90.4% Bosnian ( ) + 9.6% Baku_WGA ( ) @ 1.87
5 90.9% Bosnian ( ) + 9.1% Dargin_Urkarah ( ) @ 1.89
6 88.9% Bosnian ( ) + 11.1% Kurd_North ( ) @ 1.91
7 88.9% Bosnian ( ) + 11.1% Azeri ( ) @ 1.91
8 66.2% Czech ( ) + 33.8% Azov_Greek ( ) @ 1.92
9 90.9% Bosnian ( ) + 9.1% Lak ( ) @ 1.92
10 90.9% Bosnian ( ) + 9.1% Azeri_Dagestan ( ) @ 1.93
11 90% Bosnian ( ) + 10% Kurd ( ) @ 1.93
12 91.2% Bosnian ( ) + 8.8% Lezgin ( ) @ 1.93
13 89% Bosnian ( ) + 11% Kurd_South ( ) @ 1.94
14 91.2% Bosnian ( ) + 8.8% Avar ( ) @ 1.94
15 88.4% Bosnian ( ) + 11.6% Stalskoe_Kumyk ( ) @ 1.95
16 90.9% Bosnian ( ) + 9.1% Tabassaran ( ) @ 1.97
17 86.3% Czech ( ) + 13.7% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 2.06
18 90.1% Bosnian ( ) + 9.9% Uzbek_Tashkent ( ) @ 2.14
19 91.3% Bosnian ( ) + 8.7% Kumyk ( ) @ 2.22
20 89.2% Serb_BH ( ) + 10.8% Dargin_Urkarah ( ) @ 2.22

[Ikol]

I found two more on youtube like that. Keep in mind, it's mostly the poor people who are admixed, so they're not as likely to take these tests. More affluent people, on the other hand, Like Čeda Jovanović and the Đogani family will never do it because they won't be able to deny their roots any more.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-77h8WUqqWQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twpMqVVRC2Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn23fwOH0cQ

How about this?

[Ikol]

Btw how about bosnian serbs are they montegrins from the beginning?

[Pribislav]

Btw how about bosnian serbs are they montegrins from the beginning?

They are not close to the Montenegrins on average. Serbs from Serbia are closer to Montenegrins than Bosnian Serbs.

K36 map of user Ford (Bosnian Serb).
https://i.imgur.com/r7O44wt.png

[Ford]

Btw how about bosnian serbs are they montegrins from the beginning?

Montenegrins are Bosnian Serbs from the beginning.

[Pribislav]

Montenegrins are Bosnian Serbs from the beginning.

Montenegrins have extra Vlach (more than other Serbs) and some Albanian dna.

Bosnian Serbs are probably like medieval Serbs of Montenegro, before partly genetic vlachization and albanization of Montenegro which happened in Ottoman time.

[CommonSense]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn23fwOH0cQ

How about this?

But what do your results have to do with what I posted??

[Ikol]

But what do your results have to do with what I posted??

Just posted it, thought it would be fun

[Ikol]

Montenegrins are Bosnian Serbs from the beginning.

Yea i thought so

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.39
2 North_Atlantic 27.26
3 West_Med 19.07
4 East_Med 13.43
5 West_Asian 7.34
6 Red_Sea 1.92
7 Amerindian 1.05
8 East_Asian 0.68
9 Oceanian 0.49
10 Northeast_African 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.3
2 Romanian 7.08
3 Moldavian 7.44
4 Hungarian 8.45
5 Croatian 8.75
6 Bulgarian 9.35
7 Austrian 10.72
8 East_German 12.04
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.33
10 South_Polish 15.83
11 West_German 15.9
12 Ukrainian 16.49
13 French 16.86
14 Greek_Thessaly 17.06
15 North_Italian 17.15
16 South_Dutch 17.21
17 Polish 19.25
18 Portuguese 19.39
19 Spanish_Galicia 19.44
20 Tuscan 19.56

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.6% Croatian + 33.4% North_Italian @ 1.91
2 69.6% Croatian + 30.4% Tuscan @ 2.14
3 54.3% Ukrainian + 45.7% Tuscan @ 2.19
4 55% North_Italian + 45% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.47
5 56.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 43.8% Tuscan @ 2.54
6 70.8% Moldavian + 29.2% North_Italian @ 2.56
7 54.5% North_Italian + 45.5% Southwest_Russian @ 2.56
8 75.6% Moldavian + 24.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.76
9 52.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 47.1% North_Italian @ 2.77
10 50.4% Polish + 49.6% Tuscan @ 2.77
11 51% Ukrainian + 49% North_Italian @ 2.8
12 76.7% Moldavian + 23.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.89
13 75.9% Moldavian + 24.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.91
14 75.1% Moldavian + 24.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.92
15 73.7% Moldavian + 26.3% Portuguese @ 2.92
16 58.4% Tuscan + 41.6% Lithuanian @ 2.97
17 76.9% Moldavian + 23.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.06
18 75.4% Moldavian + 24.6% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.07
19 52.8% Tuscan + 47.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.09
20 79% Moldavian + 21% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.19

[Dick]

But what do your results have to do with what I posted??

I wonder why the Balkan encompasses actual Balkans on some results meanwhile my father’s Balkan encompasses almost all of Eastern Europe unless this is updated version. What about your moms?


https://i.imgur.com/t636Tds.jpg

[CommonSense]

I wonder why the Balkan encompasses actual Balkans on some results meanwhile my father’s Balkan encompasses almost all of Eastern Europe unless this is updated version. What about your moms?


https://i.imgur.com/t636Tds.jpg

If you just click on the ethnicity estimate it will encompass all of Eastern Europe, but if you play the intro only the Balkan countries will be shown in the circle.

[Bosniensis]

Montenegrins have extra Vlach (more than other Serbs) and some Albanian dna.

Bosnian Serbs are probably like medieval Serbs of Montenegro, before partly genetic vlachization and albanization of Montenegro which happened in Ottoman time.

We are going full Vlach by 2050

Milo Đukanović promised.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[vbnetkhio]

I wonder why the Balkan encompasses actual Balkans on some results meanwhile my father’s Balkan encompasses almost all of Eastern Europe unless this is updated version. What about your moms?


https://i.imgur.com/t636Tds.jpg

these are also Serbian results :icon_lol:


East Europe 57.7%

East European
55.3%
Balkan
2.4%

South Europe
40.1%
Greek and South Italian
40.1%

Asia
2.2%
West Asia
2.2%

don't take myheritage seriously

[Dick]

these are also Serbian results :icon_lol:



don't take myheritage seriously
I didn’t say anything about it

[Bosniensis]

My Bosniak results are 99,9999% similar to Serbian results

[Ikol]

What does west med and east med represent, whats the difference

[Bosniensis]

What does west med and east med represent, whats the difference

Anatolian Farmers.

[vbnetkhio]

some new Serbs which popped up on my relative list last month. it's a Slavic invasion.

unknown


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.7
2 North_Atlantic 20.74
3 East_Med 18.11
4 West_Med 15.04
5 West_Asian 10.95
6 Red_Sea 2.46
7 Amerindian 1.61
8 Oceanian 0.35
9 Northeast_African 0.04
10 South_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.79
2 Bulgarian 6.92
3 Serbian 7.11
4 Moldavian 8.12
5 Croatian 10.91
6 Hungarian 12.86
7 Greek_Thessaly 15.26
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.54
9 Austrian 17.04
10 Ukrainian 17.71
11 South_Polish 17.72
12 East_German 18.21
13 Southwest_Russian 19.91
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.08
15 Polish 20.88
16 Tuscan 21.67
17 North_Italian 21.85
18 Central_Greek 21.98
19 Italian_Abruzzo 22.13
20 Russian_Smolensk 22.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67% Ukrainian + 33% Cyprian @ 2.18
2 52.5% Southwest_Russian + 47.5% Central_Greek @ 2.37
3 57% Greek_Thessaly + 43% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.5
4 63.3% Polish + 36.7% Cyprian @ 2.5
5 55.8% Central_Greek + 44.2% Lithuanian @ 2.53
6 52.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47.7% Central_Greek @ 2.54
7 57% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 43% South_Italian @ 2.66
8 57.2% Southwest_Russian + 42.8% South_Italian @ 2.67
9 56.8% Greek_Thessaly + 43.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.72
10 53.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.3% East_Sicilian @ 2.81
11 53.9% Southwest_Russian + 46.1% East_Sicilian @ 2.85
12 68.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 31.3% Cyprian @ 2.88
13 50.8% Central_Greek + 49.2% Estonian_Polish @ 2.9
14 80.1% Croatian + 19.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.91
15 75.8% Bulgarian + 24.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.92
16 76% Bulgarian + 24% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.92
17 50.3% Central_Greek + 49.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.02
18 51.1% South_Italian + 48.9% Lithuanian @ 3.04
19 79.8% Bulgarian + 20.2% Erzya @ 3.04
20 70.8% Ukrainian + 29.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.1

unknown

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.3
2 North_Atlantic 26.61
3 West_Med 18.06
4 East_Med 16.92
5 West_Asian 6.23
6 Red_Sea 1.57
7 East_Asian 0.96
8 Amerindian 0.58
9 Oceanian 0.42
10 Northeast_African 0.35
11 Siberian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.93
2 Romanian 6.13
3 Bulgarian 7.98
4 Moldavian 8.75
5 Hungarian 9.67
6 Croatian 10.12
7 Austrian 12.41
8 East_German 13.86
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.58
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.66
11 North_Italian 16.91
12 South_Polish 16.95
13 West_German 17.17
14 Ukrainian 17.62
15 French 17.93
16 Tuscan 18.58
17 South_Dutch 18.59
18 Portuguese 19.91
19 Spanish_Galicia 20.23
20 Polish 20.48

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.5% Tuscan + 44.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.68
2 51.4% Ukrainian + 48.6% Tuscan @ 2.73
3 60.4% Tuscan + 39.6% Lithuanian @ 2.74
4 53.4% Tuscan + 46.6% Southwest_Russian @ 2.92
5 56% Tuscan + 44% Belorussian @ 2.96
6 55.2% Tuscan + 44.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.08
7 65.6% Croatian + 34.4% Tuscan @ 3.16
8 56.2% Ukrainian + 43.8% West_Sicilian @ 3.17
9 52.4% Polish + 47.6% West_Sicilian @ 3.27
10 57.2% South_Polish + 42.8% West_Sicilian @ 3.31
11 54% Tuscan + 46% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.34
12 70% Croatian + 30% West_Sicilian @ 3.42
13 95.5% Serbian + 4.5% Sardinian @ 3.48
14 52.5% Tuscan + 47.5% Polish @ 3.51
15 52.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 47.2% Tuscan @ 3.56
16 52.4% South_Polish + 47.6% Tuscan @ 3.63
17 50.7% West_Sicilian + 49.3% Estonian_Polish @ 3.65
18 55.8% West_Sicilian + 44.2% Lithuanian @ 3.66
19 76.8% Croatian + 23.2% Italian_Jewish @ 3.67
20 55% West_Sicilian + 45% Estonian @ 3.7


unknown


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.81
2 North_Atlantic 22.78
3 West_Med 19.04
4 East_Med 18.03
5 West_Asian 10.86
6 Oceanian 1.27
7 Red_Sea 0.7
8 Sub-Saharan 0.24
9 Amerindian 0.23
10 South_Asian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 3.8
2 Bulgarian 3.88
3 Serbian 5.81
4 Moldavian 9.95
5 Greek_Thessaly 12.27
6 Croatian 12.74
7 Hungarian 13.36
8 Austrian 16.23
9 North_Italian 17.01
10 Tuscan 17.36
11 East_German 17.81
12 Italian_Abruzzo 18.84
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 19.18
14 Central_Greek 19.19
15 South_Polish 19.98
16 West_Sicilian 20.12
17 Ukrainian 20.32
18 West_German 20.52
19 East_Sicilian 20.56
20 French 20.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.5% Bulgarian + 19.5% Croatian @ 2.43
2 87.1% Bulgarian + 12.9% Ukrainian @ 2.49
3 76.7% Bulgarian + 23.3% Moldavian @ 2.55
4 88.9% Bulgarian + 11.1% Polish @ 2.55
5 87.2% Bulgarian + 12.8% South_Polish @ 2.56
6 86.7% Bulgarian + 13.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.57
7 91.5% Bulgarian + 8.5% Lithuanian @ 2.63
8 90.1% Bulgarian + 9.9% Estonian_Polish @ 2.66
9 91.5% Bulgarian + 8.5% Estonian @ 2.67
10 90% Bulgarian + 10% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.67
11 90.5% Bulgarian + 9.5% Belorussian @ 2.71
12 89.6% Bulgarian + 10.4% Southwest_Russian @ 2.78
13 89.8% Bulgarian + 10.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.82
14 87.1% Bulgarian + 12.9% East_German @ 2.86
15 91.6% Bulgarian + 8.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.88
16 91.4% Bulgarian + 8.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.89
17 92.3% Bulgarian + 7.7% Finnish @ 2.91
18 92.6% Bulgarian + 7.4% East_Finnish @ 2.95
19 83.9% Bulgarian + 16.1% Hungarian @ 2.97
20 51% Greek_Thessaly + 49% Croatian @ 3.05

Dalmatia

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.28
2 North_Atlantic 22.18
3 West_Med 17.42
4 East_Med 16.16
5 West_Asian 5.31
6 Siberian 1.04
7 Amerindian 0.7
8 South_Asian 0.62
9 Oceanian 0.52
10 Northeast_African 0.3
11 East_Asian 0.27
12 Sub-Saharan 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 7.23
2 Croatian 8.18
3 Serbian 9.41
4 Romanian 11.32
5 Hungarian 11.68
6 Bulgarian 12.11
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.05
8 Ukrainian 13.51
9 South_Polish 14.03
10 Austrian 15.87
11 East_German 16.1
12 Southwest_Russian 16.3
13 Polish 16.96
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.02
15 Estonian_Polish 18.41
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.42
17 Belorussian 19.21
18 Greek_Thessaly 20.13
19 Kargopol_Russian 20.36
20 Erzya 21.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.7% Ukrainian + 26.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.72
2 69.3% Ukrainian + 30.7% Ashkenazi @ 4.9
3 52.4% Estonian_Polish + 47.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.91
4 54% Greek_Thessaly + 46% Lithuanian @ 5.04
5 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% Italian_Jewish @ 5.06
6 60.9% Ukrainian + 39.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.16
7 66.7% Estonian_Polish + 33.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.17
8 61.8% Bulgarian + 38.2% Estonian_Polish @ 5.22
9 60.8% Lithuanian + 39.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.33
10 51.3% Belorussian + 48.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.35
11 63.8% Estonian_Polish + 36.2% South_Italian @ 5.41
12 67.8% Bulgarian + 32.2% Lithuanian @ 5.41
13 55.8% Southwest_Russian + 44.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.44
14 53.3% Bulgarian + 46.7% Ukrainian @ 5.49
15 67% Estonian_Polish + 33% Italian_Jewish @ 5.52
16 63.1% Bulgarian + 36.9% Belorussian @ 5.54
17 60.4% Estonian_Polish + 39.6% Central_Greek @ 5.55
18 71.6% Ukrainian + 28.4% South_Italian @ 5.57
19 69.3% Ukrainian + 30.7% East_Sicilian @ 5.57
20 61.7% Estonian_Polish + 38.3% Ashkenazi @ 5.58

Kordun

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.17
2 North_Atlantic 31.33
3 West_Med 14.99
4 East_Med 9.12
5 West_Asian 6.18
6 Amerindian 1.89
7 Red_Sea 1.31
8 East_Asian 0.86
9 South_Asian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 3.88
2 Croatian 4.61
3 East_German 6.41
4 Austrian 6.88
5 Moldavian 7.25
6 South_Polish 8.63
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.08
8 Serbian 9.8
9 Ukrainian 10
10 Polish 11.94
11 Romanian 13.96
12 Southwest_Russian 14.38
13 West_German 14.77
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.79
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.03
16 Estonian_Polish 15.5
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.64
18 North_Swedish 15.74
19 South_Dutch 15.89
20 Belorussian 15.9

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.9% Polish + 33.1% North_Italian @ 2.03
2 63.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 36.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.1
3 82.8% Croatian + 17.2% Southeast_English @ 2.15
4 64.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.22
5 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Southwest_English @ 2.27
6 83.6% Croatian + 16.4% Orcadian @ 2.29
7 60% Croatian + 40% East_German @ 2.31
8 62.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 37.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.33
9 62.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 37.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.35
10 64.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.35
11 84.9% Croatian + 15.1% West_Scottish @ 2.36
12 79.9% Croatian + 20.1% South_Dutch @ 2.38
13 62.1% Croatian + 37.9% Austrian @ 2.38
14 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Irish @ 2.4
15 66.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 33.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.41
16 82.9% Croatian + 17.1% North_Dutch @ 2.44
17 61.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 38.1% Portuguese @ 2.45
18 63.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 36.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.5
19 79% Croatian + 21% West_German @ 2.51
20 82.9% Croatian + 17.1% Danish @ 2.52

Lika

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.99
2 North_Atlantic 22.97
3 East_Med 16.65
4 West_Med 16.5
5 West_Asian 8.04
6 Red_Sea 1.54
7 Amerindian 0.82
8 Siberian 0.21
9 East_Asian 0.16
10 South_Asian 0.08
11 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.12
2 Serbian 6.54
3 Croatian 7.95
4 Romanian 8.28
5 Bulgarian 9.26
6 Hungarian 10.53
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.82
8 Austrian 14.71
9 Ukrainian 14.71
10 South_Polish 14.73
11 East_German 15.48
12 Southwest_Russian 17.5
13 Greek_Thessaly 17.76
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.91
15 Polish 17.95
16 Russian_Smolensk 19.57
17 Estonian_Polish 19.87
18 Belorussian 20.53
19 West_German 21.13
20 Kargopol_Russian 21.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.5% Greek_Thessaly + 41.5% Lithuanian @ 2.52
2 68.9% Bulgarian + 31.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.59
3 52.9% Greek_Thessaly + 47.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.6
4 73.7% Bulgarian + 26.3% Lithuanian @ 2.7
5 69.7% Bulgarian + 30.3% Belorussian @ 2.8
6 53.7% Greek_Thessaly + 46.3% Belorussian @ 2.86
7 54.8% Ukrainian + 45.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.91
8 70.1% Ukrainian + 29.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.97
9 52.5% Greek_Thessaly + 47.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.99
10 50.4% Southwest_Russian + 49.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.01
11 64.9% Ukrainian + 35.1% Ashkenazi @ 3.01
12 68.8% Bulgarian + 31.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.01
13 59.7% Estonian_Polish + 40.3% South_Italian @ 3.04
14 62.2% Bulgarian + 37.8% Ukrainian @ 3.05
15 55.7% Estonian_Polish + 44.3% Central_Greek @ 3.05
16 54% Lithuanian + 46% South_Italian @ 3.06
17 70.2% Ukrainian + 29.8% Italian_Jewish @ 3.07
18 66.4% Bulgarian + 33.6% Southwest_Russian @ 3.07
19 50.1% Central_Greek + 49.9% Lithuanian @ 3.2
20 63.2% Ukrainian + 36.8% Central_Greek @ 3.24

unknown

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 29.81
2 Baltic 26.46
3 West_Med 17.45
4 East_Med 13.35
5 West_Asian 7.33
6 Red_Sea 2.04
7 South_Asian 1.78
8 Siberian 0.99
9 Northeast_African 0.52
10 Oceanian 0.19
11 Amerindian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.19
2 Hungarian 7.38
3 Romanian 7.41
4 Austrian 8.84
5 Moldavian 8.91
6 Croatian 9.93
7 Bulgarian 10.29
8 East_German 10.64
9 West_German 13.12
10 French 14.22
11 South_Dutch 14.46
12 North_Italian 15.99
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.26
14 South_Polish 16.27
15 Greek_Thessaly 17.32
16 Ukrainian 17.48
17 Portuguese 17.57
18 Spanish_Galicia 17.64
19 North_German 18.21
20 Spanish_Cataluna 18.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.1% East_German + 37.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.62
2 57.8% North_Italian + 42.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.63
3 57.3% North_Italian + 42.7% Southwest_Russian @ 1.66
4 58.7% North_Italian + 41.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.93
5 53.6% South_Polish + 46.4% Tuscan @ 1.98
6 50.4% North_Italian + 49.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2
7 62% Croatian + 38% North_Italian @ 2.04
8 50.4% North_Italian + 49.6% South_Polish @ 2.08
9 51.5% Tuscan + 48.5% Polish @ 2.17
10 69.7% Moldavian + 30.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.26
11 59.2% North_Italian + 40.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.26
12 59.7% North_Italian + 40.3% Belorussian @ 2.27
13 52.3% North_Italian + 47.7% Ukrainian @ 2.28
14 70.7% East_German + 29.3% East_Sicilian @ 2.3
15 58.7% Tuscan + 41.3% Estonian @ 2.31
16 76.2% East_German + 23.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.31
17 90.5% Serbian + 9.5% French_Basque @ 2.34
18 67% Moldavian + 33% Portuguese @ 2.35
19 85.6% Serbian + 14.4% Southwest_French @ 2.35
20 69.7% Moldavian + 30.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.38

Lika (based on surname)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.14
2 North_Atlantic 24.9
3 West_Med 16.56
4 East_Med 12.89
5 West_Asian 8.09
6 Amerindian 1.65
7 South_Asian 0.93
8 Red_Sea 0.71
9 Oceanian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.67
2 Croatian 4.58
3 Serbian 7.41
4 Hungarian 8.14
5 Romanian 10.23
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.77
7 South_Polish 11.71
8 Ukrainian 11.72
9 Bulgarian 11.9
10 Austrian 12.31
11 East_German 12.58
12 Polish 14.92
13 Southwest_Russian 15.18
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.53
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.92
16 Estonian_Polish 17.33
17 Belorussian 18.09
18 Kargopol_Russian 19.35
19 West_German 19.43
20 Greek_Thessaly 20.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64% Ukrainian + 36% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.22
2 50.4% Ukrainian + 49.6% Bulgarian @ 2.39
3 75% Croatian + 25% Bulgarian @ 2.44
4 84.1% Croatian + 15.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.47
5 73.6% Ukrainian + 26.4% South_Italian @ 2.49
6 88.8% Croatian + 11.2% Ashkenazi @ 2.62
7 90.8% Croatian + 9.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.62
8 91.9% Croatian + 8.1% Cyprian @ 2.63
9 70.7% Ukrainian + 29.3% Central_Greek @ 2.63
10 88.1% Croatian + 11.9% Central_Greek @ 2.65
11 55.9% Bulgarian + 44.1% Polish @ 2.66
12 89.5% Croatian + 10.5% South_Italian @ 2.66
13 90.9% Croatian + 9.1% Italian_Jewish @ 2.7
14 88.7% Croatian + 11.3% East_Sicilian @ 2.73
15 58.1% Polish + 41.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.75
16 53.7% Romanian + 46.3% Ukrainian @ 2.8
17 71.6% Ukrainian + 28.4% East_Sicilian @ 2.81
18 73.2% Croatian + 26.8% Romanian @ 2.83
19 71.3% Ukrainian + 28.7% West_Sicilian @ 2.83
20 93.2% Croatian + 6.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.84

Lika

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.08
2 North_Atlantic 27.11
3 West_Med 15.97
4 East_Med 9
5 West_Asian 7.76
6 Red_Sea 2.83
7 South_Asian 2.25
8 Sub-Saharan 0.58
9 Oceanian 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.06
2 Moldavian 4.02
3 Hungarian 6.54
4 Serbian 8.61
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.72
6 South_Polish 9.66
7 East_German 9.7
8 Austrian 9.83
9 Ukrainian 10.24
10 Romanian 12.33
11 Polish 12.83
12 Southwest_Russian 14.24
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.46
14 Bulgarian 14.55
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.21
16 Estonian_Polish 15.84
17 Belorussian 16.53
18 West_German 17.53
19 Kargopol_Russian 18.02
20 Southwest_Finnish 18.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92% Croatian + 8% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.21
2 92.7% Croatian + 7.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.26
3 95.7% Croatian + 4.3% Sardinian @ 2.28
4 93.5% Croatian + 6.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.33
5 92.6% Croatian + 7.4% Portuguese @ 2.34
6 93.4% Croatian + 6.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.34
7 93.2% Croatian + 6.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.35
8 92.4% Croatian + 7.6% North_Italian @ 2.35
9 75.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 24.3% Tuscan @ 2.36
10 93.1% Croatian + 6.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.38
11 94.1% Croatian + 5.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.39
12 95.8% Croatian + 4.2% Moroccan @ 2.4
13 93.3% Croatian + 6.7% Southwest_French @ 2.4
14 73.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26.2% North_Italian @ 2.4
15 93.5% Croatian + 6.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.41
16 93.5% Croatian + 6.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.41
17 95.9% Croatian + 4.1% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.42
18 93.1% Croatian + 6.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.43
19 93.5% Croatian + 6.5% Tuscan @ 2.46
20 95.9% Croatian + 4.1% Algerian @ 2.47

[Jana]

Sample from Kordun is highly mixed.

13 62.1% Croatian + 37.9% Austrian @ 2.38

[vbnetkhio]

Sample from Kordun is highly mixed.

13 62.1% Croatian + 37.9% Austrian @ 2.38

yeah, i just checked his profile, he's half Polish half Serb.

[Jana]

yeah, i just checked his profile, he's half Polish half Serb.

His Polish side must be very German admixed. But part of western Euro can be from Serbs ofc as well.

[Dušan]

His Polish side must be very German admixed. But part of westenr Euro can be from Serbs ofc as well.

Some Serbs really have some Germanic admixture in autosomal dna. I see several samples.
Our forum member Moje Ime is one of them.

Who has high North_Atlantic in K13 calculator, that is trait of Germanic admixture.

[Jana]

Some Serbs really have some Germanic admixture in autosomal dna. I see several samples.
Our forum member Moje Ime is one of them.

Who has high North_Atlantic in K13 calculator, that is trait of Germanic admixture.

Agree!

[Dušan]

Agree!

I think it is from migrations from Czech lands. I think that migrations of Slavs to Balkans occured from both northwest and northeast.
Those Slavs who migrated from Czechia brought some Germanic admixture, those who came from Ukraine or south Russia (like mine) dont have that admixture.

[Moje ime]

I think it is from migrations from Czech lands. I think that migrations of Slavs to Balkans occured from both northwest and northeast.
Those Slavs who migrated from Czechia brought some Germanic admixture, those who came from Ukraine or south Russia (like mine) dont have that admixture.

There are 4 options:
1. Can be Keltic (preslavic)
2. Can be Saxon miners (medieval)
3. Can be from Slavic migration (from North)
4. Can be new (in last 100 years in regions like Vojvodina)

Also it is not pure Germanic but Kelto - Germanic (western) since in some calculators it is divided to Atlantic and North Sea.
In my case Atlantic is higher. North Sea is pure Germanic. Atlantic is Keltic.

[Pribislav]

some new Serbs which popped up on my relative list last month. it's a Slavic invasion.

unknown


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.7
2 North_Atlantic 20.74
3 East_Med 18.11
4 West_Med 15.04
5 West_Asian 10.95
6 Red_Sea 2.46
7 Amerindian 1.61
8 Oceanian 0.35
9 Northeast_African 0.04
10 South_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.79
2 Bulgarian 6.92
3 Serbian 7.11
4 Moldavian 8.12
5 Croatian 10.91
6 Hungarian 12.86
7 Greek_Thessaly 15.26
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.54
9 Austrian 17.04
10 Ukrainian 17.71
11 South_Polish 17.72
12 East_German 18.21
13 Southwest_Russian 19.91
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.08
15 Polish 20.88
16 Tuscan 21.67
17 North_Italian 21.85
18 Central_Greek 21.98
19 Italian_Abruzzo 22.13
20 Russian_Smolensk 22.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67% Ukrainian + 33% Cyprian @ 2.18
2 52.5% Southwest_Russian + 47.5% Central_Greek @ 2.37
3 57% Greek_Thessaly + 43% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.5
4 63.3% Polish + 36.7% Cyprian @ 2.5
5 55.8% Central_Greek + 44.2% Lithuanian @ 2.53
6 52.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47.7% Central_Greek @ 2.54
7 57% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 43% South_Italian @ 2.66
8 57.2% Southwest_Russian + 42.8% South_Italian @ 2.67
9 56.8% Greek_Thessaly + 43.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.72
10 53.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.3% East_Sicilian @ 2.81
11 53.9% Southwest_Russian + 46.1% East_Sicilian @ 2.85
12 68.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 31.3% Cyprian @ 2.88
13 50.8% Central_Greek + 49.2% Estonian_Polish @ 2.9
14 80.1% Croatian + 19.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.91
15 75.8% Bulgarian + 24.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.92
16 76% Bulgarian + 24% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.92
17 50.3% Central_Greek + 49.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.02
18 51.1% South_Italian + 48.9% Lithuanian @ 3.04
19 79.8% Bulgarian + 20.2% Erzya @ 3.04
20 70.8% Ukrainian + 29.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.1

unknown

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.3
2 North_Atlantic 26.61
3 West_Med 18.06
4 East_Med 16.92
5 West_Asian 6.23
6 Red_Sea 1.57
7 East_Asian 0.96
8 Amerindian 0.58
9 Oceanian 0.42
10 Northeast_African 0.35
11 Siberian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.93
2 Romanian 6.13
3 Bulgarian 7.98
4 Moldavian 8.75
5 Hungarian 9.67
6 Croatian 10.12
7 Austrian 12.41
8 East_German 13.86
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.58
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.66
11 North_Italian 16.91
12 South_Polish 16.95
13 West_German 17.17
14 Ukrainian 17.62
15 French 17.93
16 Tuscan 18.58
17 South_Dutch 18.59
18 Portuguese 19.91
19 Spanish_Galicia 20.23
20 Polish 20.48

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.5% Tuscan + 44.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.68
2 51.4% Ukrainian + 48.6% Tuscan @ 2.73
3 60.4% Tuscan + 39.6% Lithuanian @ 2.74
4 53.4% Tuscan + 46.6% Southwest_Russian @ 2.92
5 56% Tuscan + 44% Belorussian @ 2.96
6 55.2% Tuscan + 44.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.08
7 65.6% Croatian + 34.4% Tuscan @ 3.16
8 56.2% Ukrainian + 43.8% West_Sicilian @ 3.17
9 52.4% Polish + 47.6% West_Sicilian @ 3.27
10 57.2% South_Polish + 42.8% West_Sicilian @ 3.31
11 54% Tuscan + 46% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.34
12 70% Croatian + 30% West_Sicilian @ 3.42
13 95.5% Serbian + 4.5% Sardinian @ 3.48
14 52.5% Tuscan + 47.5% Polish @ 3.51
15 52.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 47.2% Tuscan @ 3.56
16 52.4% South_Polish + 47.6% Tuscan @ 3.63
17 50.7% West_Sicilian + 49.3% Estonian_Polish @ 3.65
18 55.8% West_Sicilian + 44.2% Lithuanian @ 3.66
19 76.8% Croatian + 23.2% Italian_Jewish @ 3.67
20 55% West_Sicilian + 45% Estonian @ 3.7


unknown


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.81
2 North_Atlantic 22.78
3 West_Med 19.04
4 East_Med 18.03
5 West_Asian 10.86
6 Oceanian 1.27
7 Red_Sea 0.7
8 Sub-Saharan 0.24
9 Amerindian 0.23
10 South_Asian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 3.8
2 Bulgarian 3.88
3 Serbian 5.81
4 Moldavian 9.95
5 Greek_Thessaly 12.27
6 Croatian 12.74
7 Hungarian 13.36
8 Austrian 16.23
9 North_Italian 17.01
10 Tuscan 17.36
11 East_German 17.81
12 Italian_Abruzzo 18.84
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 19.18
14 Central_Greek 19.19
15 South_Polish 19.98
16 West_Sicilian 20.12
17 Ukrainian 20.32
18 West_German 20.52
19 East_Sicilian 20.56
20 French 20.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.5% Bulgarian + 19.5% Croatian @ 2.43
2 87.1% Bulgarian + 12.9% Ukrainian @ 2.49
3 76.7% Bulgarian + 23.3% Moldavian @ 2.55
4 88.9% Bulgarian + 11.1% Polish @ 2.55
5 87.2% Bulgarian + 12.8% South_Polish @ 2.56
6 86.7% Bulgarian + 13.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.57
7 91.5% Bulgarian + 8.5% Lithuanian @ 2.63
8 90.1% Bulgarian + 9.9% Estonian_Polish @ 2.66
9 91.5% Bulgarian + 8.5% Estonian @ 2.67
10 90% Bulgarian + 10% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.67
11 90.5% Bulgarian + 9.5% Belorussian @ 2.71
12 89.6% Bulgarian + 10.4% Southwest_Russian @ 2.78
13 89.8% Bulgarian + 10.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.82
14 87.1% Bulgarian + 12.9% East_German @ 2.86
15 91.6% Bulgarian + 8.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.88
16 91.4% Bulgarian + 8.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.89
17 92.3% Bulgarian + 7.7% Finnish @ 2.91
18 92.6% Bulgarian + 7.4% East_Finnish @ 2.95
19 83.9% Bulgarian + 16.1% Hungarian @ 2.97
20 51% Greek_Thessaly + 49% Croatian @ 3.05

Dalmatia

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.28
2 North_Atlantic 22.18
3 West_Med 17.42
4 East_Med 16.16
5 West_Asian 5.31
6 Siberian 1.04
7 Amerindian 0.7
8 South_Asian 0.62
9 Oceanian 0.52
10 Northeast_African 0.3
11 East_Asian 0.27
12 Sub-Saharan 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 7.23
2 Croatian 8.18
3 Serbian 9.41
4 Romanian 11.32
5 Hungarian 11.68
6 Bulgarian 12.11
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.05
8 Ukrainian 13.51
9 South_Polish 14.03
10 Austrian 15.87
11 East_German 16.1
12 Southwest_Russian 16.3
13 Polish 16.96
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.02
15 Estonian_Polish 18.41
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.42
17 Belorussian 19.21
18 Greek_Thessaly 20.13
19 Kargopol_Russian 20.36
20 Erzya 21.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.7% Ukrainian + 26.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.72
2 69.3% Ukrainian + 30.7% Ashkenazi @ 4.9
3 52.4% Estonian_Polish + 47.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.91
4 54% Greek_Thessaly + 46% Lithuanian @ 5.04
5 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% Italian_Jewish @ 5.06
6 60.9% Ukrainian + 39.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.16
7 66.7% Estonian_Polish + 33.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.17
8 61.8% Bulgarian + 38.2% Estonian_Polish @ 5.22
9 60.8% Lithuanian + 39.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.33
10 51.3% Belorussian + 48.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.35
11 63.8% Estonian_Polish + 36.2% South_Italian @ 5.41
12 67.8% Bulgarian + 32.2% Lithuanian @ 5.41
13 55.8% Southwest_Russian + 44.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.44
14 53.3% Bulgarian + 46.7% Ukrainian @ 5.49
15 67% Estonian_Polish + 33% Italian_Jewish @ 5.52
16 63.1% Bulgarian + 36.9% Belorussian @ 5.54
17 60.4% Estonian_Polish + 39.6% Central_Greek @ 5.55
18 71.6% Ukrainian + 28.4% South_Italian @ 5.57
19 69.3% Ukrainian + 30.7% East_Sicilian @ 5.57
20 61.7% Estonian_Polish + 38.3% Ashkenazi @ 5.58

Kordun

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.17
2 North_Atlantic 31.33
3 West_Med 14.99
4 East_Med 9.12
5 West_Asian 6.18
6 Amerindian 1.89
7 Red_Sea 1.31
8 East_Asian 0.86
9 South_Asian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 3.88
2 Croatian 4.61
3 East_German 6.41
4 Austrian 6.88
5 Moldavian 7.25
6 South_Polish 8.63
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.08
8 Serbian 9.8
9 Ukrainian 10
10 Polish 11.94
11 Romanian 13.96
12 Southwest_Russian 14.38
13 West_German 14.77
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.79
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.03
16 Estonian_Polish 15.5
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.64
18 North_Swedish 15.74
19 South_Dutch 15.89
20 Belorussian 15.9

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.9% Polish + 33.1% North_Italian @ 2.03
2 63.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 36.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.1
3 82.8% Croatian + 17.2% Southeast_English @ 2.15
4 64.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.22
5 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Southwest_English @ 2.27
6 83.6% Croatian + 16.4% Orcadian @ 2.29
7 60% Croatian + 40% East_German @ 2.31
8 62.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 37.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.33
9 62.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 37.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.35
10 64.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35.2% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.35
11 84.9% Croatian + 15.1% West_Scottish @ 2.36
12 79.9% Croatian + 20.1% South_Dutch @ 2.38
13 62.1% Croatian + 37.9% Austrian @ 2.38
14 84.4% Croatian + 15.6% Irish @ 2.4
15 66.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 33.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.41
16 82.9% Croatian + 17.1% North_Dutch @ 2.44
17 61.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 38.1% Portuguese @ 2.45
18 63.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 36.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.5
19 79% Croatian + 21% West_German @ 2.51
20 82.9% Croatian + 17.1% Danish @ 2.52

Lika

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.99
2 North_Atlantic 22.97
3 East_Med 16.65
4 West_Med 16.5
5 West_Asian 8.04
6 Red_Sea 1.54
7 Amerindian 0.82
8 Siberian 0.21
9 East_Asian 0.16
10 South_Asian 0.08
11 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.12
2 Serbian 6.54
3 Croatian 7.95
4 Romanian 8.28
5 Bulgarian 9.26
6 Hungarian 10.53
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.82
8 Austrian 14.71
9 Ukrainian 14.71
10 South_Polish 14.73
11 East_German 15.48
12 Southwest_Russian 17.5
13 Greek_Thessaly 17.76
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.91
15 Polish 17.95
16 Russian_Smolensk 19.57
17 Estonian_Polish 19.87
18 Belorussian 20.53
19 West_German 21.13
20 Kargopol_Russian 21.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.5% Greek_Thessaly + 41.5% Lithuanian @ 2.52
2 68.9% Bulgarian + 31.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.59
3 52.9% Greek_Thessaly + 47.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.6
4 73.7% Bulgarian + 26.3% Lithuanian @ 2.7
5 69.7% Bulgarian + 30.3% Belorussian @ 2.8
6 53.7% Greek_Thessaly + 46.3% Belorussian @ 2.86
7 54.8% Ukrainian + 45.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.91
8 70.1% Ukrainian + 29.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.97
9 52.5% Greek_Thessaly + 47.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.99
10 50.4% Southwest_Russian + 49.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.01
11 64.9% Ukrainian + 35.1% Ashkenazi @ 3.01
12 68.8% Bulgarian + 31.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.01
13 59.7% Estonian_Polish + 40.3% South_Italian @ 3.04
14 62.2% Bulgarian + 37.8% Ukrainian @ 3.05
15 55.7% Estonian_Polish + 44.3% Central_Greek @ 3.05
16 54% Lithuanian + 46% South_Italian @ 3.06
17 70.2% Ukrainian + 29.8% Italian_Jewish @ 3.07
18 66.4% Bulgarian + 33.6% Southwest_Russian @ 3.07
19 50.1% Central_Greek + 49.9% Lithuanian @ 3.2
20 63.2% Ukrainian + 36.8% Central_Greek @ 3.24

unknown

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 29.81
2 Baltic 26.46
3 West_Med 17.45
4 East_Med 13.35
5 West_Asian 7.33
6 Red_Sea 2.04
7 South_Asian 1.78
8 Siberian 0.99
9 Northeast_African 0.52
10 Oceanian 0.19
11 Amerindian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.19
2 Hungarian 7.38
3 Romanian 7.41
4 Austrian 8.84
5 Moldavian 8.91
6 Croatian 9.93
7 Bulgarian 10.29
8 East_German 10.64
9 West_German 13.12
10 French 14.22
11 South_Dutch 14.46
12 North_Italian 15.99
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.26
14 South_Polish 16.27
15 Greek_Thessaly 17.32
16 Ukrainian 17.48
17 Portuguese 17.57
18 Spanish_Galicia 17.64
19 North_German 18.21
20 Spanish_Cataluna 18.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.1% East_German + 37.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.62
2 57.8% North_Italian + 42.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.63
3 57.3% North_Italian + 42.7% Southwest_Russian @ 1.66
4 58.7% North_Italian + 41.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 1.93
5 53.6% South_Polish + 46.4% Tuscan @ 1.98
6 50.4% North_Italian + 49.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2
7 62% Croatian + 38% North_Italian @ 2.04
8 50.4% North_Italian + 49.6% South_Polish @ 2.08
9 51.5% Tuscan + 48.5% Polish @ 2.17
10 69.7% Moldavian + 30.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.26
11 59.2% North_Italian + 40.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.26
12 59.7% North_Italian + 40.3% Belorussian @ 2.27
13 52.3% North_Italian + 47.7% Ukrainian @ 2.28
14 70.7% East_German + 29.3% East_Sicilian @ 2.3
15 58.7% Tuscan + 41.3% Estonian @ 2.31
16 76.2% East_German + 23.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.31
17 90.5% Serbian + 9.5% French_Basque @ 2.34
18 67% Moldavian + 33% Portuguese @ 2.35
19 85.6% Serbian + 14.4% Southwest_French @ 2.35
20 69.7% Moldavian + 30.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.38

Lika (based on surname)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.14
2 North_Atlantic 24.9
3 West_Med 16.56
4 East_Med 12.89
5 West_Asian 8.09
6 Amerindian 1.65
7 South_Asian 0.93
8 Red_Sea 0.71
9 Oceanian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.67
2 Croatian 4.58
3 Serbian 7.41
4 Hungarian 8.14
5 Romanian 10.23
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.77
7 South_Polish 11.71
8 Ukrainian 11.72
9 Bulgarian 11.9
10 Austrian 12.31
11 East_German 12.58
12 Polish 14.92
13 Southwest_Russian 15.18
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.53
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.92
16 Estonian_Polish 17.33
17 Belorussian 18.09
18 Kargopol_Russian 19.35
19 West_German 19.43
20 Greek_Thessaly 20.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64% Ukrainian + 36% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.22
2 50.4% Ukrainian + 49.6% Bulgarian @ 2.39
3 75% Croatian + 25% Bulgarian @ 2.44
4 84.1% Croatian + 15.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.47
5 73.6% Ukrainian + 26.4% South_Italian @ 2.49
6 88.8% Croatian + 11.2% Ashkenazi @ 2.62
7 90.8% Croatian + 9.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.62
8 91.9% Croatian + 8.1% Cyprian @ 2.63
9 70.7% Ukrainian + 29.3% Central_Greek @ 2.63
10 88.1% Croatian + 11.9% Central_Greek @ 2.65
11 55.9% Bulgarian + 44.1% Polish @ 2.66
12 89.5% Croatian + 10.5% South_Italian @ 2.66
13 90.9% Croatian + 9.1% Italian_Jewish @ 2.7
14 88.7% Croatian + 11.3% East_Sicilian @ 2.73
15 58.1% Polish + 41.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.75
16 53.7% Romanian + 46.3% Ukrainian @ 2.8
17 71.6% Ukrainian + 28.4% East_Sicilian @ 2.81
18 73.2% Croatian + 26.8% Romanian @ 2.83
19 71.3% Ukrainian + 28.7% West_Sicilian @ 2.83
20 93.2% Croatian + 6.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.84

Lika

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.08
2 North_Atlantic 27.11
3 West_Med 15.97
4 East_Med 9
5 West_Asian 7.76
6 Red_Sea 2.83
7 South_Asian 2.25
8 Sub-Saharan 0.58
9 Oceanian 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.06
2 Moldavian 4.02
3 Hungarian 6.54
4 Serbian 8.61
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.72
6 South_Polish 9.66
7 East_German 9.7
8 Austrian 9.83
9 Ukrainian 10.24
10 Romanian 12.33
11 Polish 12.83
12 Southwest_Russian 14.24
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.46
14 Bulgarian 14.55
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.21
16 Estonian_Polish 15.84
17 Belorussian 16.53
18 West_German 17.53
19 Kargopol_Russian 18.02
20 Southwest_Finnish 18.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92% Croatian + 8% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.21
2 92.7% Croatian + 7.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.26
3 95.7% Croatian + 4.3% Sardinian @ 2.28
4 93.5% Croatian + 6.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.33
5 92.6% Croatian + 7.4% Portuguese @ 2.34
6 93.4% Croatian + 6.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.34
7 93.2% Croatian + 6.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.35
8 92.4% Croatian + 7.6% North_Italian @ 2.35
9 75.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 24.3% Tuscan @ 2.36
10 93.1% Croatian + 6.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.38
11 94.1% Croatian + 5.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.39
12 95.8% Croatian + 4.2% Moroccan @ 2.4
13 93.3% Croatian + 6.7% Southwest_French @ 2.4
14 73.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26.2% North_Italian @ 2.4
15 93.5% Croatian + 6.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.41
16 93.5% Croatian + 6.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.41
17 95.9% Croatian + 4.1% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.42
18 93.1% Croatian + 6.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.43
19 93.5% Croatian + 6.5% Tuscan @ 2.46
20 95.9% Croatian + 4.1% Algerian @ 2.47

Dalmatian Serb with 35.28 Baltic. Quite impressive!

[Dušan]

There are 4 options:
1. Can be Keltic (preslavic)
2. Can be Saxon miners (medieval)
3. Can be from Slavic migration (from North)
4. Can be new (in last 100 years in regions like Vojvodina)

Also it is not pure Germanic but Kelto - Germanic (western) since in some calculators it is divided to Atlantic and North Sea.
In my case Atlantic is higher. North Sea is pure Germanic. Atlantic is Keltic.

Yes, we can call it Celto-Germanic.

All those are good arguments, but still I think it came to Balkans with Slavs from Czechia, who assimilated and slavicized some local population.

Today Czechia was heart of Celtic territories.

https://mapsroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/europe-celts-map-populationdatanet-15741118248gn4k-700x518.png

[Leto]

Dalmatian Serb with 35.28 Baltic. Quite impressive!
Maybe of Dalmatian Croat background? That Baltic score is huge indeed.

[Pribislav]

Maybe of Dalmatian Croat background? That Baltic score is huge indeed.

No, he is tested on y dna on Serbian dna project, he is from full Serbian village. I sented you information about him on pm.

[Leto]

No, he is tested on y dna on Serbian dna project, he is from full Serbian village. I sented you imformation about him on pm.
Then indeed a very relict individual.

I'd like to see his Dodecad results.

[Pribislav]

Then indeed a very relict individual.

I'd like to see his Dodecad results.

Vbnetkhio posted 2 Serbs from Lika and one from Kordun with +34% Baltic, it's not big difference.

[vbnetkhio]

Then indeed a very relict individual.

I'd like to see his Dodecad results.



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 44.99
2 Atlantic_Med 25.67
3 Caucasus 20.22
4 Southwest_Asian 3
5 Gedrosia 2.6
6 Northwest_African 1.5
7 Siberian 0.83
8 Southeast_Asian 0.77
9 East_African 0.27
10 Sub_Saharan 0.11
11 South_Asian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 5.36
2 Romanians (Behar) 11.58
3 German (Dodecad) 12.81
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 13.43
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 13.49
6 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 18.49
7 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 18.91
8 Polish (Dodecad) 18.97
9 Dutch (Dodecad) 19.92
10 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 20.76
11 Swedish (Dodecad) 21.8
12 French (Dodecad) 22.12
13 French (HGDP) 22.43
14 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 22.47
15 Kent (1000Genomes) 22.55
16 English (Dodecad) 22.7
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 22.95
18 British_Isles (Dodecad) 23.52
19 Belorussian (Behar) 23.81
20 Russian (Dodecad) 23.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.9% Russian_B (Behar) + 46.1% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.96
2 57.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 42.6% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.99
3 73% Hungarians (Behar) + 27% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.08
4 58% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 42% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 2.17
5 53.9% Russian (Dodecad) + 46.1% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 2.23
6 73.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 26.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.24
7 54% Belorussian (Behar) + 46% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 2.27
8 70.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 29.8% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.35
9 61% Polish (Dodecad) + 39% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.36
10 54.6% Belorussian (Behar) + 45.4% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 2.46
11 57.3% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 42.7% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.47
12 54.5% Russian (Dodecad) + 45.5% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 2.47
13 60.3% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 39.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 2.49
14 50.8% Russian_B (Behar) + 49.2% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.5
15 51.3% Tuscan (HGDP) + 48.7% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.51
16 53.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 46.8% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.53
17 51.8% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 48.2% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.53
18 50.6% Belorussian (Behar) + 49.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.53
19 56.3% Polish (Dodecad) + 43.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.55
20 54% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 46% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.55

[vbnetkhio]

Vbnetkhio posted 2 Serbs from Lika and one from Kordun with +34% Baltic, it's not big difference.

and the one from Trebinje with 35 earlier in this thread.

[Pribislav]

and the one from Trebinje with 35 earlier in this thread.

Yes, I remember of that result.

[Leto]

Well, just because there might be some other similar individuals doesn't mean it's not remarkable. The Serbian average is well below 35%. Just like, say, Russians with 30% North Atlantic are rare but still can be found.

[Jana]

Well, just because there might be some other similar individuals doesn't mean it's not remarkable. The Serbian average is well below 35%. Just like, say, Russians with 30% North Atlantic are rare but still can be found.

I have high doubt about these results being full Serbs, especially because almost all are from Croatia.
As it started, 35% Baltic will soon be Serbian average.

And keep in mind Croat average in here is from Zagreb, so more northern shifted than full southern Croats let alone Serbs.
I see one Serb from Croatia here getting like 95% Croat in Oracles, what should I think?

[Moje ime]

I have high doubt about these results being full Serbs, especially because almost all are from Croatia.
As it started, 35% Baltic will soon be Serbian average.

And keep in mind Croat average in here is from Zagreb, so more northern shifted than full southern Croats let alone Serbs.
I see one Serb from Croatia here getting like 95% Croat in Oracles, what should I think?

I must agree with this. And I'm sick of chasing high Baltic score, just look how Pribislav reporting to Leto high Baltic results like he has to prove to him something.

[Pribislav]

I have high doubt about these results being full Serbs, especially because almost all are from Croatia.
As it started, 35% Baltic will soon be Serbian average.

And keep in mind Croat average in here is from Zagreb, so more northern shifted than full southern Croats let alone Serbs.
I see one Serb from Croatia here getting like 95% Croat in Oracles, what should I think?

Dalmatian Serb with 35.28 Baltic is from rural place which was full Serbian until 1995. His Slava is Saint Nicholas day.

[Moje ime]

I have high doubt about these results being full Serbs, especially because almost all are from Croatia.
As it started, 35% Baltic will soon be Serbian average.

And keep in mind Croat average in here is from Zagreb, so more northern shifted than full southern Croats let alone Serbs.
I see one Serb from Croatia here getting like 95% Croat in Oracles, what should I think?

I must agree with this. And I'm sick of chasing high Baltic score, just look how Pribislav reporting to Leto high Baltic results like he has to prove to him something.

[Jana]

I must agree with this. And I'm sick of chasing high Baltic score, just look how Pribislav reporting to Leto high Baltic results like he has to prove to him something.

Not only that, Dalmatia for example is full of Croats who have low Baltic and are close to Serb average (I don't exclude they are mixed with Serbs), which many deem too southern.
Imagine how rare are these 35% Baltic Serbs when even among Croats many don't reach such figures.

[Pribislav]

I must agree with this. And I'm sick of chasing high Baltic score, just look how Pribislav reporting to Leto high Baltic results like he has to prove to him something.

Leto is interested for South Slavic results with high Baltic score, and especially for their dodecad.

[Jana]

My both parents who are half Dalmatians half more northern and me don't score above 32 Baltic.

[Moje ime]

Not only that, Dalmatia for example is full of Croats who have low Baltic and are close to Serb average (I don't exclude they are mixed with Serbs), which many deem too southern.
Imagine how rare are these 35% Baltic Serbs when even among Croats many don't reach such figures.

Serbs from Serbia must be most representative of Serbian average results.

[Leto]

I must agree with this. And I'm sick of chasing high Baltic score, just look how Pribislav reporting to Leto high Baltic results like he has to prove to him something.
You guys are fucking Slavs. So the more Slavic ancestry, the more remarkable. As long as we have unmixed Eastern Slavs or Poles, other Slavs will probably be measured against them in terms of DNA.
I am NOT a Slavic supremacist by any means, just to be clear.

[Pribislav]

My both parents who are half Dalmatians half more northern and me don't score above 32 Baltic.

They have high NA, due to Germanic influence.

[Moje ime]

Leto is interested for South Slavic results with high Baltic score, and especially for their dodecad.

Yeah I know his fetish.

[Jana]

They have high NA, due to Germanic influence.

Okay, but my father is full SW Slav. He seem to have some Germanic admixture though.

[Leto]

Leto is interested for South Slavic results with high Baltic score, and especially for their dodecad.
Yeah, just some curiousity, nothing particularly big. Why not notice something if it's noticeable?

[Moje ime]

You guys are fucking Slavs. So the more Slavic ancestry, the more remarkable. As long as we have unmixed Eastern Slavs or Poles, other Slavs will probably be measured against them in terms of DNA.
I am NOT a Slavic supremacist by any means, just to be clear.

Solution is not to find out and brag with some extreme cases of results far away from core Serbian teritory like Pribislav does but to take into consideration average Serbs from Serbia and average Serbian results.

[Pribislav]

Okay, but my father is full SW Slav. He seem to have some Germanic admixture though.

Germanic influence among Dinaric Slavs exist, and it's not recent as in Pannonia but from early middle age (mostly from Goths).

[Leto]

Moje ime is bitter because she scores low Baltic and doesn't have blue eyes and a golden braid :p :icon_lol:

[Jana]

Moje ime is bitter because she scores low Baltic and doesn't have blue eyes and a golden braid :p :icon_lol:

She is light pigmented as far as I know, and he results are very close to Serbian average except more than average west Euro input.

[vbnetkhio]

I must agree with this. And I'm sick of chasing high Baltic score, just look how Pribislav reporting to Leto high Baltic results like he has to prove to him something.


I have high doubt about these results being full Serbs, especially because almost all are from Croatia.
As it started, 35% Baltic will soon be Serbian average.

And keep in mind Croat average in here is from Zagreb, so more northern shifted than full southern Croats let alone Serbs.
I see one Serb from Croatia here getting like 95% Croat in Oracles, what should I think?

i posted all results, from 26 to 35 Baltic. i posted gypsy admixed Serbs too. so i don't hide anything. the Serbian average will always be around 30 with a representative sample.

that "95% Croat" guy lives in Serbia and his grandfather was from Lika, idk about the rest of his ancestry.

[Leto]

I have high doubt about these results being full Serbs, especially because almost all are from Croatia.
As it started, 35% Baltic will soon be Serbian average.

And keep in mind Croat average in here is from Zagreb, so more northern shifted than full southern Croats let alone Serbs.
I see one Serb from Croatia here getting like 95% Croat in Oracles, what should I think?
Yes, we all know for you Serbia is part of Greater Woggistan xD

[Jana]

Germanic influence among Dinaric Slavs exist, and it's not recent as in Pannonia but from early middle age (mostly from Goths).

I think in case of my father it is from his 1/8 NW Croat part. Village where it's from was full with German miners in past.
Anyway, he has very low Baltic considering he is also 1/4 Bosniak, and 1/8 Central Croat.

His Dalmatian side from Hvar was probably very Med.

[Leto]

Solution is not to find out and brag with some extreme cases of results far away from core Serbian teritory like Pribislav does but to take into consideration average Serbs from Serbia and average Serbian results.
I'm aware that it's not an average result, yet atypical cases are usually more interesting to discuss.

[Pribislav]

I think in case of my father it is from his 1/8 NW Croat part. Village where it's from was full with German miners in past.
Anyway, he has very low Baltic considering he is also 1/4 Bosniak, and 1/8 Central Croat.

His Dalmatian side from Hvar was probably very Med.

Make sense.

[Jana]

Yes, we all know for you Serbia is part of Greater Woggistan xD

What's your problem? They are as representative as Transylvanians are for Hungarians.

[Moje ime]

Moje ime is bitter because she scores low Baltic and doesn't have blue eyes and a golden braid :p :icon_lol:

I have green eyes, brown hair (was reddish and lighter in childhood) and light skin. Don't get tan from Sun.

[vbnetkhio]

Not only that, Dalmatia for example is full of Croats who have low Baltic and are close to Serb average (I don't exclude they are mixed with Serbs), which many deem too southern.
Imagine how rare are these 35% Baltic Serbs when even among Croats many don't reach such figures.

almost as if that 35% Baltic isn't Croat influence, and he is simply a more Slavic than average Serb

[Leto]

What's your problem? They are as representative as Transylvanians are for Hungarians.
No problem for me. You just like to stress that Serbs and Croats are not the same. By the way, certain users consider you mixed and unrepresentative.

[Jana]

almost as if that 35% Baltic isn't Croat influence, and he is simply a more Slavic than average Serb

Serbs in Croatia mixed with Croats, especially in Dalmatia. Whoever denies that in on Stears level, who denies any Romanian admixture despite it's obvious in his results and in Szekely in general.

[Jana]

No problem for me. You just like to stress that Serbs and Croats are not the same. By the way, certain users consider you mixed and unrepresentative.

And they are not, any academic paper says the same.
Who are these certain users? I don't like mystery.

Ofcourse I am mixed, but I am close to Croat average and not very northern if that is what you think, because 75% of my Croat part is from south and on top of that I have some Bosniak and Serb as well.

[Dick]

Since when do eurogenes components equate with a person's phenotype. I get more Baltic than my father but he can easily pass in Belarus than I can. I was expecting him to get like 50% Baltic considering how he looks xD

[Pribislav]

almost as if that 35% Baltic isn't Croat influence, and he is simply a more Slavic than average Serb

+1

[Pribislav]

You guys are fucking Slavs. So the more Slavic ancestry, the more remarkable. As long as we have unmixed Eastern Slavs or Poles, other Slavs will probably be measured against them in terms of DNA.
I am NOT a Slavic supremacist by any means, just to be clear.

If Bosniensis see this... :cool:

[Bosniensis]

If Bosniensis see this... :cool:

We are 50% 50% but linguistically Slavic?

But what is that ... that connects Bosniaks to Slavic world? ... Nothing.

The first friendly country to us is Albania and Turkey while all Slavic countries are observed with utmost distrust.

[Leto]

If Bosniensis see this... :cool:
You know what? Sinan looks Tatar to me! I swear quite a few Volga Tatars have similar features and pigmentation as him. But yes, he is a big Larper (just a Bosnian Muslim in reality and I actually like him in some way).

[Terminator98]

Serbs in Croatia mixed with Croats, especially in Dalmatia. Whoever denies that in on Stears level, who denies any Romanian admixture despite it's obvious in his results and in Szekely in general.

What about Lika Serbs, probably same?

[Moje ime]

What about Lika Serbs, probably same?

From where are your ancestors if I may ask?

[Dick]

You know what? Sinan looks Tatar to me! I swear quite a few Volga Tatars have similar features and pigmentation as him. But yes, he is a big Larper (just a Bosnian Muslim in reality and I actually like him in some way).

Indeed, like a mix of Scythian + Hungarian Conqueror (4.943) eeh, Bosniensis? :rotfl:

[Jana]

What about Lika Serbs, probably same?

Krajina Serbs mixed less, according to book about Croatian Serbs I read written by Serb. in Krajina separation between Serbs and Croats was greater than in Dalmatia, but ofcourse some mixing always happen.

[Bosniensis]

Indeed, like a mix of Scythian + Hungarian Conqueror (4.943) eeh, Bosniensis? :rotfl:

Yes but you said yourself that Scythian is incorrect while Hungarian Conqueror is "MIX" of many identities as describe, so both identifications are just hoax.

[Jana]

You know what? Sinan looks Tatar to me! I swear quite a few Volga Tatars have similar features and pigmentation as him. But yes, he is a big Larper (just a Bosnian Muslim in reality and I actually like him in some way).

No suprise, he has some similarities to Stears.

[Terminator98]

From where are your ancestors if I may ask?

Mixed. :D Hercegovina (both West and East), Dalmatia Hinterland and Lika xD

[Pribislav]

What about Lika Serbs, probably same?

Serbs from Vrlika Krajina, Cetina Krajina and Drniš Krajina relatively often mixed with Catholics since 18th century according to church books. Serbs from Bukovica, Knin Krajina, Ravni Kotari and other areas of Dalmatia very rare mixed with Catholics. Serb from Dalmatia whose result vbnetkhio posted is not fom area where mixing with Catholics was relatively common.

Serbs from Lika, Kordun and Banija rare mixed with Catholics. Not sure for Slavonian Serbs.

[Vožd]

I have green eyes, brown hair (was reddish and lighter in childhood) and light skin. Don't get tan from Sun.

What is your phenotype?

[Jana]

Serbs from Vrlika Krajina, Cetina Krajina and Drniš Krajina relatively often mixed with Catholics since 18th century according to church books. Serbs from Bukovica, Knin Krajina, Ravni Kotari and other areas of Dalmatia very rare mixed with Catholics. Serb from Dalmatia whose result vbnetkhio posted is not fom area where mixing with Catholics was relatively common.

Serbs from Lika, Kordun and Banija rare mixed with Catholics. Not sure for Slavonian Serbs.

Croats, not Catholics. Village this person is from is basically on Adriatic coast, surrounded by Croats. Pure my ass.

[Terminator98]

Serbs from Vrlika Krajina, Cetina Krajina and Drniš Krajina relatively often mixed with Catholics since 18th century according to church books.

I already know I am 1/4 Croat from West Hercegovina part, but if this is true then I am real Yugo mutt :bowlol::bowlol:

[Pribislav]

Croats, not Catholics. Village this person is from is basically on Adriatic coast, surrounded by Croats. Pure my ass.


As I said his village was full Serbian, and also some others around. You personally know some Serbs from villages in hinterland of Šibenik, you said that once.

In Drniš and Vrlika-Sinj areas (especially Vrlika-Sinj) was most common mixing between Orthodoxes and Catholics for centuries, not only in Dalmatia but probably of all areas west of Drina river.
I know a lot of Serbs from Vrlika area, at least 50% of them have Bunjevac mother, grandmother or great-grandmother.

[Moje ime]

What is your phenotype?

Not sure but I guess it is some northern or Slavic look alike phenotype mixed with Dinarid.

[Jana]

As I said His village was full Serbian, and also some others around. You personally know some Serbs from villages in hinterland of Šibenik, you said that once.

In Drniš and Vrlika-Sinj areas (especially Vrlika-Sinj) was most common mixing between Orthodoxes and Catholic for centuries, not only in Dalmatia but probably of all areas west of Drina river.
I know a lot of Serbs from Vrlika area, st least 50% of them have Bunjevac mother, grandmother or great-grsndmother.

Yes there are lot of Serbs in Šibenik-Knin county.
Pribislav and me are from same county.

I consider island there my home.

[Pribislav]

Serbs from Vrlika Krajina, Cetina Krajina and Drniš Krajina relatively often mixed with Catholics since 18th century according to church books.

I already know I am 1/4 Croat from West Hercegovina part, but if this is true then I am real Yugo mutt :bowlol::bowlol:

Mixing beetwen Orthodox and Catholic Serbs makes descendants full Serbs. :)

[Jana]

Mixing between Orthodox and Catholic Serbs makes descendants full Serbs. :)

Naporan si i autističan.

[Terminator98]

I have green eyes, brown hair (was reddish and lighter in childhood) and light skin. Don't get tan from Sun.

Not wog - not true Serb (or Balkanite in general) :rotfl::rotfl:

[Moje ime]

Not wog - not true Serb (or Balkanite in general) :rotfl::rotfl:

:no: :D

[Pribislav]

Yes there are lot of Serbs in Šibenik-Knin county.
Pribislav and me are from same county.

I consider island there my home.

Villages near Šibenik with Serbian population (census 1991).

Čista Mala (94% Serbs) https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Čista_Mala
Gaćelezi (53% Serbs) https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaćelezi
Bratiškovci (98% Serbs) https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bratiškovci
Plastovo (61% Serbs) https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastovo
Velika Glava (98% Serbs) https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velika_Glava
Sonković (52% Serbs) https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonković
Gračac (81% Serbs) https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gračac_(Skradin)
Skradinsko Polje (97% Serbs) https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skradinsko_Polje
Žažvić (91% Serbs) https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Žažvić
Ićevo (40% Serbs) https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ićevo
Ždrapanj (91% Serbs) https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ždrapanj
Cicvare (81% Serbs) https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicvare_(Skradin)
Gorice (99% Serbs) https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorice_(Skradin)
Bribir (94% Serbs) https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bribir_(Skradin)
Krnjeuve (99% Serbs) https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krnjeuve
Vaćani (15% Serbs) https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaćani
Nos Kalik (98% Serbs) https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nos_Kalik

etc.

[Pribislav]

Serbs from Vrlika Krajina, Cetina Krajina and Drniš Krajina relatively often mixed with Catholics since 18th century according to church books.

I already know I am 1/4 Croat from West Hercegovina part, but if this is true then I am real Yugo mutt :bowlol::bowlol:

Here are some interesting data from 18th and 19th century.

Orthodox woman Marta from Vrlika widow of Jovan Bačković married for Catholic in 1744 and converted on Catholicism. Orthodox woman Margarita dauther of Mihovil Cvitkovac from Maovice (Vrlika) married for Catholic and converted on Catholicism in 1746. Orthodox woman Sava Petković from Maovice dauther of Marko married for Catholic in 1746 and converted on Catholicism. Orthodox woman Marta Petković daughter of Pavle converted on Catholicism for the same reason in 1747.
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/cetiri_pravoslavkinje_za_katolike_od_1744_do_1747-jpg.359885/



Vrlika area as well.

Catholic woman Matia married for Orthodox Božo and converted on Orthodoxy in 1825.
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/mata_bozo-jpg.359887/

Catholic woman Kata married for Orthodox Marko and converted on Orthodoxy in 1831.
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/kata_marko-jpg.359886/

[Pribislav]

You know what? Sinan looks Tatar to me! I swear quite a few Volga Tatars have similar features and pigmentation as him. But yes, he is a big Larper (just a Bosnian Muslim in reality and I actually like him in some way).

:thumb001:

[Leto]

:thumb001:
Does he look Serbian? Do you see him as an ex-Serb?

[Pribislav]

Does he look Serbian? Do you see him as an ex-Serb?

He can pass as Serb by physical appearance, but not as typical. There is something "Muslim" about him, I can't explain exactly.

Bosniensis have Serbian origin, without doubt. He is not Serb because he doesn't carry Serbian consciousness.

Origin of Bosniensis by paternal line is determinated, he originated from Serbian clan Predojević https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telli_Hasan_Pasha#Early_life

[vbnetkhio]

Serb from Bosansko Grahovo


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.64
2 North_Atlantic 20.26
3 West_Med 18.6
4 East_Med 15.81
5 West_Asian 8.16
6 Siberian 1.64
7 Oceanian 0.63
8 Sub-Saharan 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 7.23
2 Croatian 9.31
3 Serbian 9.56
4 Romanian 10.59
5 Bulgarian 10.93
6 Hungarian 13.12
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.19
8 Ukrainian 14.86
9 South_Polish 15.53
10 Austrian 17.18
11 Southwest_Russian 17.49
12 East_German 17.61
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.97
14 Polish 18.49
15 Greek_Thessaly 19.03
16 Russian_Smolensk 19.76
17 Estonian_Polish 19.94
18 Belorussian 20.84
19 Kargopol_Russian 21.33
20 Tatar 21.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.3% Bulgarian + 30.7% Erzya @ 5.49
2 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% Cyprian @ 5.52
3 67% Bulgarian + 33% Estonian_Polish @ 5.53
4 72.1% Bulgarian + 27.9% Lithuanian @ 5.57
5 63.8% Bulgarian + 36.2% Southwest_Russian @ 5.58
6 52.3% Southwest_Russian + 47.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.6
7 56.9% Ukrainian + 43.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.61
8 59.5% Bulgarian + 40.5% Ukrainian @ 5.62
9 71.4% Ukrainian + 28.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.63
10 57.2% Greek_Thessaly + 42.8% Lithuanian @ 5.66
11 51.3% Greek_Thessaly + 48.7% Estonian_Polish @ 5.7
12 68.8% Bulgarian + 31.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.71
13 64.9% Ukrainian + 35.1% Central_Greek @ 5.79
14 67.1% Bulgarian + 32.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.86
15 68.5% Bulgarian + 31.5% Belorussian @ 5.92
16 64.9% Bulgarian + 35.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.94
17 68.6% Ukrainian + 31.4% South_Italian @ 5.95
18 57% Estonian_Polish + 43% Central_Greek @ 5.95
19 66.8% Ukrainian + 33.2% Ashkenazi @ 5.97
20 66.1% Ukrainian + 33.9% East_Sicilian @ 5.98

[Dick]

He can pass as Serb by physical appearance, but not as typical. There is something "Muslim" about him, I can't explain exactly.

Bosniensis have Serbian origin, without doubt. He is not Serb because he doesn't carry Serbian consciousness.

Origin of Bosniensis by paternal line is determinated, he originated from Serbian clan Predojević https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telli_Hasan_Pasha#Early_life

He has central Bosnian look, Zenica - Jajce (lijevog i desnog) etc. his face is dime a dozen there

[Leto]

He can pass as Serb by physical appearance, but not as typical. There is something "Muslim" about him, I can't explain exactly.

I guess that may be because they've been consuming Muslim food for generations :D

[Leto]

Serb from Bosansko Grahovo

Have you reported the Baltic score to Leto? xD

[Pribislav]

Serb from Bosansko Grahovo


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.64
2 North_Atlantic 20.26
3 West_Med 18.6
4 East_Med 15.81
5 West_Asian 8.16
6 Siberian 1.64
7 Oceanian 0.63
8 Sub-Saharan 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 7.23
2 Croatian 9.31
3 Serbian 9.56
4 Romanian 10.59
5 Bulgarian 10.93
6 Hungarian 13.12
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.19
8 Ukrainian 14.86
9 South_Polish 15.53
10 Austrian 17.18
11 Southwest_Russian 17.49
12 East_German 17.61
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.97
14 Polish 18.49
15 Greek_Thessaly 19.03
16 Russian_Smolensk 19.76
17 Estonian_Polish 19.94
18 Belorussian 20.84
19 Kargopol_Russian 21.33
20 Tatar 21.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.3% Bulgarian + 30.7% Erzya @ 5.49
2 74.1% Ukrainian + 25.9% Cyprian @ 5.52
3 67% Bulgarian + 33% Estonian_Polish @ 5.53
4 72.1% Bulgarian + 27.9% Lithuanian @ 5.57
5 63.8% Bulgarian + 36.2% Southwest_Russian @ 5.58
6 52.3% Southwest_Russian + 47.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.6
7 56.9% Ukrainian + 43.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.61
8 59.5% Bulgarian + 40.5% Ukrainian @ 5.62
9 71.4% Ukrainian + 28.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.63
10 57.2% Greek_Thessaly + 42.8% Lithuanian @ 5.66
11 51.3% Greek_Thessaly + 48.7% Estonian_Polish @ 5.7
12 68.8% Bulgarian + 31.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.71
13 64.9% Ukrainian + 35.1% Central_Greek @ 5.79
14 67.1% Bulgarian + 32.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.86
15 68.5% Bulgarian + 31.5% Belorussian @ 5.92
16 64.9% Bulgarian + 35.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.94
17 68.6% Ukrainian + 31.4% South_Italian @ 5.95
18 57% Estonian_Polish + 43% Central_Greek @ 5.95
19 66.8% Ukrainian + 33.2% Ashkenazi @ 5.97
20 66.1% Ukrainian + 33.9% East_Sicilian @ 5.98

Same Baltic but little higher NA than this Dalmatian Croat https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=78641359&postcount=27

[Pribislav]

Have you reported the Baltic score to Leto? xD

Guy is from place which is on 840 m above sea level near Dinara mountain in the heart of Dinaric Alps, interesting place for high Baltic score https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosansko_Grahovo

[vbnetkhio]

Have you reported the Baltic score to Leto? xD

reporting to duty

btw, i found many more ordinary 25-32% Baltic Serbian results too, but results like those have been posted already. i only post the weird ones. the Serbian average is still firmly around 30, of course.

[vbnetkhio]

from Dubica (Croatia or Bosnia)


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.95
2 North_Atlantic 26.97
3 West_Med 13.95
4 East_Med 11.54
5 West_Asian 7.96
6 South_Asian 1.66
7 Siberian 1.41
8 Amerindian 0.58
9 Sub-Saharan 0.51
10 Oceanian 0.46

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 2.91
2 Moldavian 3.63
3 Hungarian 5.98
4 Serbian 8.4
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.56
6 South_Polish 8.93
7 Ukrainian 9.52
8 East_German 10.57
9 Austrian 10.63
10 Romanian 11.99
11 Polish 12.61
12 Southwest_Russian 12.96
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.38
14 Bulgarian 14.08
15 Russian_Smolensk 14.72
16 Estonian_Polish 15.16
17 Belorussian 15.73
18 Kargopol_Russian 16.96
19 Southwest_Finnish 17.73
20 West_German 18.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.2% South_Polish + 27.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.72
2 61.5% South_Polish + 38.5% Bulgarian @ 1.74
3 55.9% Ukrainian + 44.1% Romanian @ 1.75
4 75.6% Ukrainian + 24.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.89
5 58.1% Bulgarian + 41.9% Estonian @ 1.91
6 57.6% South_Polish + 42.4% Romanian @ 1.94
7 79.6% South_Polish + 20.4% South_Italian @ 1.94
8 53.3% Serbian + 46.7% Ukrainian @ 1.98
9 77.4% South_Polish + 22.6% Central_Greek @ 2.02
10 62% Romanian + 38% Estonian @ 2.02
11 76.5% Ukrainian + 23.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.04
12 65.7% Southwest_Russian + 34.3% North_Italian @ 2.09
13 78.1% South_Polish + 21.9% East_Sicilian @ 2.15
14 65% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 35% North_Italian @ 2.16
15 67.5% Southwest_Russian + 32.5% Tuscan @ 2.2
16 78.6% Ukrainian + 21.4% South_Italian @ 2.2
17 51.3% Romanian + 48.7% Polish @ 2.2
18 63% Romanian + 37% Lithuanian @ 2.23
19 56% Romanian + 44% Estonian_Polish @ 2.24
20 81.9% South_Polish + 18.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.26

[Bosniensis]

Same Baltic but little higher NA than this Dalmatian Croat https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=78641359&postcount=27

has 40% Mediterranean (WMED, EMED, WASIAN) and 35% Baltic.

[Pribislav]

has 40% Mediterranean (WMED, EMED, WASIAN) and 35% Baltic.

What are you think about Bosansko Grahovo Serb result?
34.64 Baltic in the heart of Dinaric Alps, where you think that dominated non-Slavic Vlach genetic. :rolleyes:

[Leto]

has 40% Mediterranean (WMED, EMED, WASIAN) and 35% Baltic.
Don't you fucking know that no Slav scores 100% Baltic? Your estimate is bullshit.

[Pribislav]

Don't you fucking know that no Slav scores 100% Baltic? Your estimate is bullshit.

Bosniensis bullshit again...

When somebody score 30% or 35% Baltic Bosniensis say he is 30% or 35% Slavic. For him old Slavs were 100% Baltic. :picard1:

[Terminator98]

Bosniensis bullshit again...

When somebody score 30% or 35% Baltic Bosniensis say he is 30% or 35% Slavic. For him old Slavs were 100% Baltic. :picard1:

Sorry for perhaps stupid question but im still learning about aDNA (and Im very interested in it), what would be average Baltic score for Balto-Slavs (if you know ofc)?

[Bosniensis]

Bosniensis bullshit again...

When somebody score 30% or 35% Baltic Bosniensis say he is 30% or 35% Slavic. For him old Slavs were 100% Baltic. :picard1:

Early Balto-Slavs in 2000 B.C were probably 70%+ Baltic, then they mixed with Eastern Celtic and Germanic people.

30% Baltic is nothing when you have 40% Mediterranean and we are Geographically Southern Europe

[Leto]

Sorry for perhaps stupid question but im still learning about aDNA (and Im very interested in it), what would be average Baltic score for Balto-Slavs (if you know ofc)?
There is no homogeneous "Balto-Slav" group. It's a linguistic term.
If you mean who scores the highest Baltic, I'd say Lithuanians and especially Latvians. The highest percentage I've seen in a modern person was 60%. My father is mostly Belorussian and he scores 50%.

[Pribislav]

Sorry for perhaps stupid question but im still learning about aDNA (and Im very interested in it), what would be average Baltic score for Balto-Slavs (if you know ofc)?

I think Poles are about 45% Baltic on average, and Russians about 50%. Leto will corect me if I am wrong.

Poles should be the closest to Old Slavs.

[Terminator98]

There is no homogeneous "Balto-Slav" group. It's a linguistic term.
If you mean who scores the highest Baltic, I'd say Lithuanians and especially Latvians. The highest percentage I've seen in a modern person was 60%. My father is mostly Belorussian and he scores 50%.

Thanks for answer, well in that case 35% for South Slavs is pretty high.

[Leto]

I think Poles are about 45% Baltic on average, and Russians about 50%. Leto will corect me if I am wrong.

Poles should be the closest to Old Slavs.
I'd say most Poles are in the low 40s (40-45%). Russians are 45-50%, Western Ukrainians are also in the low 40s, sometimes even under 40%. Belarus is in the high 40s and even low 50s
Something like that.

[Cumansky]

Poles should be the closest to Old Slavs.

But they not

Real Poles are closest to Ancient Avars, Ancient Avars are North European, Turkic, Mycenaean mixes. Ancient Avars are lacking Jewish admixture that came to our region only after, but Ancient Avars have Sumeric admixture which is much similar to Jewish admixture, so there you go

[Dick]

Early Balto-Slavs in 2000 B.C were probably 70%+ Baltic, then they mixed with Eastern Celtic and Germanic people.

30% Baltic is nothing when you have 40% Mediterranean and we are Geographically Southern Europe

What separates West and East Europeans in a nutshell is GAC admixture, not modern day meta ethnicities. I proved it here;

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?310915-NEW-ancient-euro-G25-calculator

[Bosniensis]

What separates West and East Europeans in a nutshell is GAC admixture, not modern day meta ethnicities. I proved it here;

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?310915-NEW-ancient-euro-G25-calculator

You don't have Bell Beakers (Urnfield/ProtoVillanovans predecessors) on that Calc, why?

They are not Corded Ware folk.

[Pribislav]

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Serb from Veliki Obljaj (his y dna is I2-PH908) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veliki_Obljaj

K13
North_Atlantic - 27.70
Baltic - 34.93
West_Med - 16.91
West_Asian - 5.45
East_Med - 12.16
Red_Sea - 0.39
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian - 2.08
Amerindian - 0.27
Oceanian - 0.11
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

K15
North_Sea - 18.56
Atlantic - 17.98
Baltic - 22.30
Eastern_Euro - 12.23
West_Med - 11.42
West_Asian - 6.18
East_Med - 10.60
Red_Sea - 0.19
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian - 0.54
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub_Saharan -

K36
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro - 10.76
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan - 8.32
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro - 17.35
East_Med - 4.68
Eastern_Euro - 11.83
Fennoscandian - 7.78
French - 1.41
Iberian - 5.93
Indo-Chinese -
Italian - 13.97
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic - 5.02
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea - 7.61
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural - 1.53
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med - 3.81

[Jana]

When we will see proper Serbs from Serbia with 35% Baltic? I am afraid never.

Croats and Bosniaks score high Baltic, Serbs don't, except if they are from regions in Croatia and Bosnia. Make your own conclusions.

[Jana]

Serb from Veliki Obljaj (his y dna is I2-PH908) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veliki_Obljaj

K13
North_Atlantic - 27.70
Baltic - 34.93
West_Med - 16.91
West_Asian - 5.45
East_Med - 12.16
Red_Sea - 0.39
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian - 2.08
Amerindian - 0.27
Oceanian - 0.11
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

K15
North_Sea - 18.56
Atlantic - 17.98
Baltic - 22.30
Eastern_Euro - 12.23
West_Med - 11.42
West_Asian - 6.18
East_Med - 10.60
Red_Sea - 0.19
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian - 0.54
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub_Saharan -

K36
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro - 10.76
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan - 8.32
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro - 17.35
East_Med - 4.68
Eastern_Euro - 11.83
Fennoscandian - 7.78
French - 1.41
Iberian - 5.93
Indo-Chinese -
Italian - 13.97
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic - 5.02
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea - 7.61
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural - 1.53
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med - 3.81

And this is not a Serb by origin. Došen are Croats from Pag island and Rijeka is full of them. Person in question is Sebified Croat, orthodox converts and that is why he scores high Baltic.
When will you post actual Serbs rather than Croatian converts for a change?

[Pribislav]

When we will see proper Serbs from Serbia with 35% Baltic? I am afraid never.

Croats and Bosniaks score high Baltic, Serbs don't, except if they are from regions in Croatia and Bosnia. Make your own conclusions.

I would like to see southern Serbian results, but unfortunately we are lack of them. Also we are lack of results of Serbs from East Herzegovina.

I got results of Banija Serb from Veliki Obljaj from the first hand. As you can see has has identical Baltic score as Dubica Serb posted by vbnetkhio and very similar B. Grahovo Serb, Dalmatian Serb and Lika Serbs from previous posts.

[Pribislav]

And this is not a Serb by origin. Došen are Croats from Pag island and Rijeka is full of them. Person in question is Sebified Croat, orthodox converts and that is why he scores high Baltic.
When will you post actual Serbs rather than Croatian converts for a change?

Idiotic woman, I got these results from diaspora from the first hand. Došen Serbs exist as well (Lika, Kordun, Banija). Došen means newcomer. Ancestors of this man died in Jasenovac.


https://youtu.be/7YjPaEKkDN4

[Jana]

Idiotic woman, I got these results from diaspora from the first hand. Došen Serbs exist as well (Lika, Kordun, Banija). Došen means newcomer. Ancestors of this man died in Jasenovac.


https://youtu.be/7YjPaEKkDN4

Nobody cares dumbass, Došen is not a original Serb surname and vast majority of them are Croats. Deal with it.
Without you I would never know to which extent are Croat surnames widespread among Serbs, thanks for enlightening me.

[Pribislav]

Nobody cares dumbass, Došen is not a original Serb surname and vast majority of them are Croats. Deal with it.
Without you I would never know to which extent are Croat surnames widespread among Serbs, thanks for enlightening me.

About surname Došen on Serbian site Poreklo https://www.poreklo.rs/2012/02/16/do%C5%A1en/

There is 3 comments.

1. Predrag Došen wrote - Iz sela Jarkovci (Moja Volja) Srem, Srbija, pravoslavni Srbi, slave Svetog Nikolu, poreklo iz sela Brezovac, Slunj, Kordun, Hrvatska.

2. Vojislav Ananić wrote - DOŠEN, ime muško od koga je postalo i prezime u Kninskoj Krajini, od XVIII vijeka (25, II, 701). Došeni u D. Jelovcu slave Jovanjdan.

3. Milenko Došen wrote - Došeni iz Tomingaja, Gračac, Lika, slava sv. Nikola.

[Jana]

About surname Došen on Serbian site Poreklo https://www.poreklo.rs/2012/02/16/do%C5%A1en/

There is 3 comments.

1. Predrag Došen wrote - Iz sela Jarkovci (Moja Volja) Srem, Srbija, pravoslavni Srbi, slave Svetog Nikolu, poreklo iz sela Brezovac, Slunj, Kordun, Hrvatska.

2. Vojislav Ananić wrote - DOŠEN, ime muško od koga je postalo i prezime u Kninskoj Krajini, od XVIII vijeka (25, II, 701). Došeni u D. Jelovcu slave Jovanjdan.

3. Milenko Došen wrote - Došeni iz Tomingaja, Gračac, Lika, slava sv. Nikola.

No problem, but it is time for you to admit mix with Croats happened.

[Bosniensis]

About surname Došen on Serbian site Poreklo https://www.poreklo.rs/2012/02/16/do%C5%A1en/

There is 3 comments.

1. Predrag Došen wrote - Iz sela Jarkovci (Moja Volja) Srem, Srbija, pravoslavni Srbi, slave Svetog Nikolu, poreklo iz sela Brezovac, Slunj, Kordun, Hrvatska.

2. Vojislav Ananić wrote - DOŠEN, ime muško od koga je postalo i prezime u Kninskoj Krajini, od XVIII vijeka (25, II, 701). Došeni u D. Jelovcu slave Jovanjdan.

3. Milenko Došen wrote - Došeni iz Tomingaja, Gračac, Lika, slava sv. Nikola.

Evlya Celebi called Hasan Paša Predojević = Hasan Paša Došen

Došen is a nickname for a non-Serbs namely Vlachs.

[Pribislav]

Evlya Celebi called Hasan Paša Predojević = Hasan Paša Došen

Došen is a nickname for a non-Serbs namely Vlachs.

Look at my previous post, name Došen is recorded among Serbs from Kninska Krajina since 18th century.

Došen is version of došljak (newcomer), nick for people who moved to some other region and natives gave them nick došen (newcomer) which later then turned in surname.

[Leto]

Are Serbs in the Southern, Southeastern part of Republika Srpska more Balkanic? I mean places south of Sarajevo and along the border with Montenegro and Southwestern Serbia.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Ct002411.jpg/971px-Ct002411.jpg

[Pribislav]

Are Serbs in the Southern, Southeastern part of Republika Srpska more Balkanic? I mean places south of Sarajevo and along the border with Montenegro and Southwestern Serbia.

Probably, but unfortunately we are lack of results from part of RS/BiH which you mentioned.

Serb from Sarajevo.
https://s18.postimg.cc/aihm7j9o9/rad.png


Serb from northern Bosnia.
https://s9.postimg.cc/5ujxkbrxr/Family_Finder.jpg

[Dick]

You don't have Bell Beakers (Urnfield/ProtoVillanovans predecessors) on that Calc, why?

They are not Corded Ware folk.

why would I add bell beakers ? these are older than bell beakers.

[Dušan]

Serb from Veliki Obljaj (his y dna is I2-PH908) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veliki_Obljaj

K13
North_Atlantic - 27.70
Baltic - 34.93
West_Med - 16.91
West_Asian - 5.45
East_Med - 12.16
Red_Sea - 0.39
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian - 2.08
Amerindian - 0.27
Oceanian - 0.11
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

K15
North_Sea - 18.56
Atlantic - 17.98
Baltic - 22.30
Eastern_Euro - 12.23
West_Med - 11.42
West_Asian - 6.18
East_Med - 10.60
Red_Sea - 0.19
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian - 0.54
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub_Saharan -

K36
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro - 10.76
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan - 8.32
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro - 17.35
East_Med - 4.68
Eastern_Euro - 11.83
Fennoscandian - 7.78
French - 1.41
Iberian - 5.93
Indo-Chinese -
Italian - 13.97
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic - 5.02
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea - 7.61
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural - 1.53
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med - 3.81

His K15 map:

https://i.imgur.com/uglFng1.png

His result on my calculator:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?317301-Serbian-K3-calculator

https://i.imgur.com/FaGNnLw.jpg

[Moje ime]

He can pass as Serb by physical appearance, but not as typical. There is something "Muslim" about him, I can't explain exactly.


I think that a small percent of "original Turkish dna" proved in some Bosniak's results (haplogroup and autosomal) influenced their look, no matter how insignificant it is. That is why many of them have that "something" recognizable for us as Muslims.
Also they often mixed with Albanians for religious reasons, which also influenced look.

[Bosniensis]

I think that a small percent of "original Turkish dna" proved in some Bosniak's results (haplogroup and autosomal) influenced their look, no matter how insignificant it is. That is why many of them have that "something" recognizable for us as Muslims.
Also they often mixed with Albanians for religious reasons, which also influenced look.

How you mean we often mixed with Albanians, we still mix with all other balkan muslims .