RIP : 23andme and AncestryDNA

[JamesBond007]

AncestryDNA and 23andme are for clowns. Ancestry DNA claims I am mostly Celtic e.g. Irish/Scottish (even though lowland Scots are Germanic) with the rest being Germanic. Meanwhile reports from Davidski, LM genetics and mytrueancestry.com tell me I am basically mostly Germanic. Check this out. A tool by Davidski :

Avalon vs Valhalla :

https://i.postimg.cc/NMwvKhZJ/newplot.png

There is some sprinkling of 'Irish' at the peripherery ( German, English, Scottish and Orcadian too) but I am closest to a Norwegian, Dutch and ancient Swedish viking sample.

Also, mytrueancestry and a K36 report, from LM genetics, all say my Celtic ancestry is only in the range of 20-24.2 Celtic. For instance, my K36 report from LM Genetics says I am 21.4% Celtic mostly from Scotland (mainland Scots are actually half Germanic and half Celtic or Celto-Germanic not 'celtic' like the 'Irish'). MytrueAncestry says I am 24.2% Celtic meanwhile AncestryDNA says I am 67% Irish/Scottish. AncestryDNA is run by mentally retarded Mormons and 23andme is run by lying Jews. None of these companies are run by elite atheist scientists (40% of the Dutch are atheist but most Americans are religious).

Anyway, that plot is very specific and does not deal with averages. So while I might be closer to one specific Norwegian individual than the Dutch individual , on the plot, overall when averages are used, like in G25 global, I plot with the Dutch.

What kept me from realizing I am Germanic , though, is retarded sites like this think all Germanics are blonde haired and blue eyed but this is not the case, obviously.


AncestryDNA obviously has an agenda. It knows its target demographics well and since America is essentially a peasant nation filled with filth from Europe through Ellis island this gives Americans the peasant mentality of wanting to be 'Irish' so AncestryDNA tells people they are Irish. Also, Americans like to hear they are part Scandinavian even if they are not and that it comes from Northern Ireland or Scotland instead. So AncestryDNA will break it down too much in that instance. AncestryDNA is very biased.

See Ireland on this map , AMERICANS, for further reference :

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/71/a0/2a/71a02ab4a2d0e41b294c288e9b4c5dc7.png

[marco]

Is that the same clowns that allowed you to get your raw data in the first place to even perform those tests

[Albannach]

AncestryDNA and 23andme are for clowns. Ancestry DNA claims I am mostly Celtic e.g. Irish/Scottish (even though lowland Scots are Germanic) with the rest being Germanic. Meanwhile reports from Davidski, LM genetics and mytrueancestry.com tell me I am basically mostly Germanic. Check this out. A tool by Davidski :

Avalon vs Valhalla :

https://i.postimg.cc/NMwvKhZJ/newplot.png

There is some sprinkling of 'Irish' at the peripherery ( German, English, Scottish and Orcadian too) but I am closest to a Norwegian, Dutch and ancient Swedish viking sample.

Also, mytrueancestry and a K36 report, from LM genetics, all say my Celtic ancestry is only in the range of 20-24.2 Celtic. For instance, my K36 report from LM Genetics says I am 21.4% Celtic mostly from Scotland (mainland Scots are actually half Germanic and half Celtic or Celto-Germanic not 'celtic' like the 'Irish'). MytrueAncestry says I am 24.2% Celtic meanwhile AncestryDNA says I am 67% Irish/Scottish. AncestryDNA is run by mentally retarded Mormons and 23andme is run by lying Jews. None of these companies are run by elite atheist scientists (40% of the Dutch are atheist but most Americans are religious).

Anyway, that plot is very specific and does not deal with averages. So while I might be closer to one specific Norwegian individual than the Dutch individual , on the plot, overall when averages are used, like in G25 global, I plot with the Dutch.

What kept me from realizing I am Germanic , though, is retarded sites like this think all Germanics are blonde haired and blue eyed but this is not the case, obviously.


AncestryDNA obviously has an agenda. It knows its target demographics well and since America is essentially a peasant nation filled with filth from Europe through Ellis island this gives Americans the peasant mentality of wanting to be 'Irish' so AncestryDNA tells people they are Irish. Also, Americans like to hear they are part Scandinavian even if they are not and that it comes from Northern Ireland or Scotland instead. So AncestryDNA will break it down too much in that instance. AncestryDNA is very biased.

See Ireland on this map , AMERICANS, for further reference :

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/71/a0/2a/71a02ab4a2d0e41b294c288e9b4c5dc7.png

Lowland Scots are not Germanic, They are a Celtic Germanic mix with the Celtic component being the strongest, in fact according to POBI and The genetic landscape of Scotland and the Isles study carried out by PNAS, the SW Lowlands are actually genetically closer to the Irish than the Highlands are, the only area closer to the English is the Borders, but even the English are not predominantly Germanic.

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/38/19064

https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/

https://i.imgur.com/QB5IZqK.jpg

[TheOldNorth]

The lowland Scots are Germanic in language only and even if they were 100% English in blood they'd still be 40-60% Celtic, and it likely tells you Irish because the Scottish in general were conquered by an Irish elite in the ancient kingdom of Dal Riada. The British people are majority Celtic all except East Anglia.

[JamesBond007]

Lowland Scots are not Germanic, They are a Celtic Germanic mix with the Celtic component being the strongest, in fact according to POBI and The genetic landscape of Scotland and the Isles study carried out by PNAS, the SW Lowlands are actually genetically closer to the Irish than the Highlands are, the only area closer to the English is the Borders, but even the English are not predominantly Germanic.

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/38/19064

https://www.peopleofthebritishisles.org/

https://i.imgur.com/QB5IZqK.jpg

It seems to me mainland Scots are about half Germanic and half Celtic more or less but parts of the Orkneys etc.. can be very Norwegian, hence, technically more Germanic, in regions, than the lowlands but the lowlands has not only Norwegian admixture but Angle (Anglian) admixture especially in the East by Yorkshire. Scots like to downplay how 'Germanic' they are in order to differentiate themselves from the English. The English are clearly more Germanic than the Scots, though, but the Dutch are more Germanic than the English. The Dutch are probably the most Germanic people not the Scandinavians because the Netherlands is right on the NorthSea and Scandinavia is closer to the Batlic sea.

[Albannach]

It seems to me mainland Scots are about half Germanic and half Celtic more or less but parts of the Orkneys etc.. can be very Norwegian, hence, technically more Germanic, in regions, than the lowlands but the lowlands has not only Norwegian admixture but Angle (Anglian) admixture especially in the East by Yorkshire. Scots like to downplay how 'Germanic' they are in order to differentiate themselves from the English. The English are clearly more Germanic than the Scots, though, but the Dutch are more Germanic than the English. The Dutch are probably the most Germanic people not the Scandinavians because the Netherlands is right on the NorthSea and Scandinavia is closer to the Batlic sea.

I agree about Orkney/Shetland and Norse ancestry but even there it only ranges from 18-22% in Orkney and 22-28% in Shetland, so even they are vastly more Celtic than they are Germanic, other than that the studies I have posted links to clearly show that Scots are by and large Celtic, if you have any studies that disprove the PNAS study, POBI or even the Irish DNA atlas which all have Lowland Scots clustering with the Irish then please post them, they can't all be wrong.

[samario]

You are Celtic.

[Smeagol]

Lol, you're an American and probably can't trace a single Dutch ancestor on your family tree. You're like Mortimer, your identity changes every couple of weeks.

[TheOldNorth]

Lol, you're an American and probably can't trace a single Dutch ancestor on your family tree. You're like Mortimer, your identity changes every couple of weeks.

What are you talking about like I understand the Mortimer bit. But he is clearly very British Isles I myself have known who I truly am and unchangingly for a couple of years now, and I am an American. I disagree with his opinions on those sites but I do not think he changes his identity weekly he just misunderstands what it means to be a Lowland Scott or a British islander in general

[Smeagol]

What are you talking about like I understand the Mortimer bit. But he is clearly very British Isles I myself have known who I truly am and unchangingly for a couple of years now, and I am an American. I disagree with his opinions on those sites but I do not think he changes his identity weekly he just misunderstands what it means to be a Lowland Scott or a British islander in general

You probably don't realize that he's had multiple accounts here. On his first one, he thought he was a Norman aristocrat or something. Now he thinks he's Dutch because he plots near them. He's just an Amerimutt from New York.

[JamesBond007]

Lol, you're an American and probably can't trace a single Dutch ancestor on your family tree. You're like Mortimer, your identity changes every couple of weeks.

Dutch and Anglos descend from similar tribes so someone can be half Anglo but still be dragged down to the continent. For instance, Dutch people are loathe to admit it but the Dutch national anthem says we are from German blood and my maternal grandmother is straight Rhine Kraut.

You Americans are retarded and do not understand science that is why Americans don't believe in evolution. Europeans are all admixed. Someone half German and Spanish could autosomally be French if they know how to speak French with zero French ancestors.

[Smeagol]

Dutch and Anglos descend from similar tribes so someone can be half Anglo but still be dragged down to the continent. For instance, Dutch people are loathe to admit but the Dutch national anthem says we are from German blood and my maternal grandmother is straight Rhine Kraut.

You Americans are retarded an do not understand science that is why Americans don't believe in evolution. Europeans are all admixed. Someone half German and Spanish could autosomally French if they know how to speak French with zero French ancestors.

You're an American Euromutt. Deal with it. You'll never belong to any European nation.

[Coastal Elite]

So what is the real story? AncestryDNA and 23andMe showed you had trace amounts of SSA and you want to throw them under the bus? Stop being childish

[JamesBond007]

You probably don't realize that he's had multiple accounts here. On his first one, he thought he was a Norman aristocrat or something. Now he thinks he's Dutch because he plots near them. He's just an Amerimutt from New York.

DO not project your Slavic admixed untermensch insecurities onto me. It is perfectly possible to be half British but still ethnically Dutch. My grandmother is from Alsace-Lorraine Frankish territory :

We Dutch are Western Germanic, also related to Anglo-Saxon/North Sea Germanic through our Frisian and Saxon branch and to other Western Germanic the Franks from which we derived our language. We also share original Germanic qualities such as love for freedom, liberalism and individualism.

[JamesBond007]

You're an American Euromutt. Deal with it. You'll never belong to any European nation.

Ik Ben Nederlands aan het leren !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIEjFj4qEOE

[JamesBond007]

Ik Ben Nederlands San her leren !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIEjFj4qEOE
*Bump*

[JamesBond007]

Lol, you're an American and probably can't trace a single Dutch ancestor on your family tree. You're like Mortimer, your identity changes every couple of weeks.

You are just another ignorant American. Some East Anglians can pass as Frisians and Famke Jannsen and Kristin Davis obviously look somewhat alike but I look more like Famke because I am like 97-98% autosomally Dutch .

[TheOldNorth]

You are just another ignorant American. Some East Anglians can pass as Frisians and Famke Jannsen and Kristin Davis obviously look somewhat alike but I look more like Famke because I am like 97-98% autosomally Dutch .

Yeah literally only East anglians and rarely other east coast english

[TheOldNorth]

You probably don't realize that he's had multiple accounts here. On his first one, he thought he was a Norman aristocrat or something. Now he thinks he's Dutch because he plots near them. He's just an Amerimutt from New York.

No I didn’t realize that first fact, but what’s wrong with amerimutts? Germans and Brits are from the same Unetice stock anyway

[Smeagol]

No I didn’t realize that first fact, but what’s wrong with amerimutts?

I didn't say anything was wrong with it. He's the one pretending he's not one.

[JamesBond007]

So what is the real story? AncestryDNA and 23andMe showed you had trace amounts of SSA and you want to throw them under the bus? Stop being childish

No, it is simple capitalism interfering with science. The customer is always right is the motto of capitalism. Americans want to hear they are at least part Irish so AncestryDNA tells them that.

Americans are retarded at science unlike the Germans, Dutch and English.

[JamesBond007]

I didn't say anything was wrong with it. He's the one pretending he's not one.

DNA does not lie. Anything 0.05... and below you can pass as a native of the population. I am below that threshold. There is R1b-L21 in the Netherlands, mostly in the West bordering France too.

[JamesBond007]

I didn't say anything was wrong with it. He's the one pretending he's not one.

Retard : I obviously fall within the Dutch cluster :

https://i.postimg.cc/BvJgBLn0/Celto-Germanic-PCA.png

The difference between the Germanic Anglo-Saxons and the Celtic and Roman Britons of what is now eastern England is obvious. The Anglo-Saxons could pass for Scandinavians, while the Celts and Romans both cluster between the Irish and French. The modern English cluster closer to that Celtic cluster (England_IA) than the ancient Anglo-Saxon cluster or at least it seems that way to me. Obviously, there is overlap but as you can see I am more Germanic than the average English person and cluster with the Dutch and perhaps there is also overlap with Norwegian or Icelandic, English and whatnot. I am obviously also closer to the ancient Anglo-Saxon sample than the modern English, again, showing that us Dutch are more Germanic than the English. Other Dutch also cluster closer to the Germans etc.. again showing the same thing.

There is more to being Dutch than just autosomal DNA , however, there is also culture and language to consider. However, New York culture is Catholic and Jewish on an old Dutch root. For instance Wall Street, in Manhattan, the financial center of the USA was founded by the Dutch. I am from New York.

[JamesBond007]

AncestryDNA and 23andme examples of 'American science' and creationist museums with dinosaurs with English horse saddles on them :

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51GvIVcI-QL._SX320_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

https://www.amazon.com/Idiot-America-Stupidity-Became-Virtue/dp/0767926153/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=idiot+america&qid=1581090502&sr=8-1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee_uujKuJMI

[RyoHazuki]

DO not project your Slavic admixed untermensch insecurities onto me. It is perfectly possible to be half British but still ethnically Dutch. My grandmother is from Alsace-Lorraine Frankish territory :

We Dutch are Western Germanic, also related to Anglo-Saxon/North Sea Germanic through our Frisian and Saxon branch and to other Western Germanic the Franks from which we derived our language. We also share original Germanic qualities such as love for freedom, liberalism and individualism.

Germanic quality like freedom? Germanics were to pillaging what Phoenicians were to trade.

[Coastal Elite]

AncestryDNA and 23andme examples of 'American science' and creationist museums with dinosaurs with English horse saddles on them :

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51GvIVcI-QL._SX320_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

https://www.amazon.com/Idiot-America-Stupidity-Became-Virtue/dp/0767926153/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=idiot+america&qid=1581090502&sr=8-1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee_uujKuJMI

What happened to your claims of "Polack Science"?

[Davystayn]

Ancestry, 23andme and the other commercial companies are only good for giving you the raw data to use on otherness sites like gedmatch, mytrueancestry etc it seems.

[JamesBond007]

Ancestry, 23andme and the other commercial companies are only good for giving you the raw data to use on otherness sites like gedmatch, mytrueancestry etc it seems.

Dude, check it out. This a million times better than AncestryDNA and 23andme. Yellow is north Dutch and red is central Dutch. I am the black star Kevin . I fall within the northern Dutch cluster close to red central Dutch.

https://i.postimg.cc/VLq1Xsvt/me.jpg

[JamesBond007]

What happened to your claims of "Polack Science"?

The original Eurogenes on GEDmatch was mentally retarded Polack science but Davidski got better. G25 I still only use for the single population as I do not necessarily trust the breakdown. The original Eurogenes was such retarded Polack science that a Frenchman Tolan had to come to the rescue and create the taux de similitude map for K36. That map shows I am Dutch too.

[Pine]

Your theory is that these companies are lying because people rather hear that they're Irish than Dutch?

[JamesBond007]

Germanic quality like freedom? Germanics were to pillaging what Phoenicians were to trade.

Not really that is north Germanics. West Germanics such as the Franks founded the nation of France.

[JamesBond007]

Your theory is that these companies are lying because people rather hear that they're Irish than Dutch?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?232410-Americaness-and-Irishness

[Pine]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?232410-Americaness-and-Irishness

I'm Dutch too.

[JamesBond007]

Your theory is that these companies are lying because people rather hear that they're Irish than Dutch?

Daco Celtic is a perfect example his autosomal DNA is probably German or French but since he is American he insists these commercial companies tell him he is part 'Irish'.

[JamesBond007]

I'm Dutch too.

Hallo, goedmiddag mijn naam is Kevin . Ik Kom uit Nederland. Spreek je Nederlands ?

[JamesBond007]

Your theory is that these companies are lying because people rather hear that they're Irish than Dutch?

Broham, AncestryDNA and 23andme are utterly pathetic they do not even have a Dutch category. For instance, AncestryDNA is run by English Mormons and they try to lump the Dutch into the British or Irish categories AFAIK.

[JamesBond007]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GLJB3k8jPak/hqdefault.jpg

[Lemgrant]

Broham, AncestryDNA and 23andme are utterly pathetic they do not even have a Dutch category. For instance, AncestryDNA is run by English Mormons and they try to lump the Dutch into the British or Irish categories AFAIK.

https://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/what-dutch-dna-looks-like-2018-edition/

https://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/2018-07-12-672x378.png
https://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/2018-07-12-2-672x378.png

[JamesBond007]

https://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/what-dutch-dna-looks-like-2018-edition/

https://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/2018-07-12-672x378.png
https://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/2018-07-12-2-672x378.png

British category includes the Netherlands :
https://dnatestingchoice.com/perch/resources/ancestrydna-1-w320@1.5x.jpg

[JamesBond007]

Newer version still lumps the Netherlands in with Britain :

https://i.redd.it/z4gu7to769n11.jpg

[Pine]

Hallo, goedmiddag mijn naam is Kevin . Ik Kom uit Nederland. Spreek je Nederlands ?

Your Yiddish is spectacular.

[JamesBond007]

https://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/what-dutch-dna-looks-like-2018-edition/

https://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/2018-07-12-672x378.png
https://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/2018-07-12-2-672x378.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isa5c1p6aC0

[Davystayn]

I didn't say anything was wrong with it. He's the one pretending he's not one.


Newer version still lumps the Netherlands in with Britain :

https://i.redd.it/z4gu7to769n11.jpg

It appears from reading a few articles on this that geneticists have a hard time finding any significant differences between populations of North West Europe hence people finding themselve under unfamiliar categories that also change depending on the company used.

[JamesBond007]

It appears from reading a few articles on this that geneticists have a hard time finding any significant differences between populations of North West Europe hence people finding themselve under unfamiliar categories that also change depending on the company used.

No, shit Sherlock. I dunno, these mentally deficient American companies do not use geometry etc
.. to plot it. It is messy but the beautiful thing is you do not have to totally separate the different ethnicities that way as it shows how they overlap. These commercial companies are using the wrong mathematical tools for the job :
https://i.postimg.cc/VLq1Xsvt/me.jpg

[PaleoEuropean]

If your ancestry is from the isles you are always gonna be a little more Celtic as the Germanic peoples besides the Saxons in some places weren't very numerous, they interbred. More Germanic Brits always shift toward the Dutch I do as well, the Dutch have Celtic in their admixture too.

[RyoHazuki]

Not really that is north Germanics. West Germanics such as the Franks founded the nation of France.

Sort of. They weren't much other than the ruling class and assimilated into the local population over time. Not dissimilar to the Asian Magyars in Hungary, except the Franks adopted the local langauge rather than push Frankish on them.

[JamesBond007]

If your ancestry is from the isles you are always gonna be a little more Celtic as the Germanic peoples besides the Saxons in some places weren't very numerous, they interbred. More Germanic Brits always shift toward the Dutch I do as well, the Dutch have Celtic in their admixture too.

There are multiple ways to view the genetic state of affairs. It is not just about genetics but culture etc... too

[PaleoEuropean]

There are multiple ways to view the genetic state of affairs. It is not just about genetics but culture etc... too

Yea but ADNA calculators only take markers into account, adding culture and all that is impossible because of the the migratory nature of man.

[JamesBond007]

Yea but ADNA calculators only take markers into account, adding culture and all that is impossible because of the the migratory nature of man.

Actually, since my cross section of DNA overlaps with both the British and the Dutch then the only way to differentiate between the two is by culture.

[JamesBond007]

Lol, you're an American and probably can't trace a single Dutch ancestor on your family tree. You're like Mortimer, your identity changes every couple of weeks.

Smeagol : You are just another American who is mentally retarded at science :

https://i.postimg.cc/rFfW4BdP/jb007.png

https://i.postimg.cc/c4WBLc7p/memap.jpg

[JamesBond007]

Lol, you're an American and probably can't trace a single Dutch ancestor on your family tree. You're like Mortimer, your identity changes every couple of weeks.

Nigga what !?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIEjFj4qEOE

https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/c_fill,g_auto,w_1200,h_675,ar_16:9/https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.cnn.com%2Fcnnnext%2Fdam%2Fassets %2F161129144859-flag-burning.jpg

[JamesBond007]

Smeagol : You are just another American who is mentally retarded at science :

https://i.postimg.cc/rFfW4BdP/jb007.png

https://i.postimg.cc/c4WBLc7p/memap.jpg

*bump*

[J. Ketch]

*bump*
How did a Dutchman get an Irish name and Insular Celtic Y-DNA?

[JamesBond007]

How did a Dutchman get an Irish name and Insular Celtic Y-DNA?

Because the Irish have been oppressed since at least 1536 when the first English colonization of Ireland occurred. Also, there is both celtic and germanic Y-DNA in England and the Netherlands but in England it is about half the population more or less and in the Netherlands it is even more of a minority but R1b-L21 exists in the Netherlands :

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/R-L21.png/1024px-R-L21.png

[Slavic Italian]

You people are kind to one another.

[JamesBond007]

You people are kind to one another.

We Dutch are blunt (direct) and extremely truthful. Some people perceive this as 'rude' because other cultures are like Jew snakes in the grass who are indirect and untruthful :


Truth has no manners. It is no respecter of persons. It wounds kings as deeply as commoners. It cuts down the high, and confirms the lowness of the low. It may dress up for formal occasions, but it does so only in order that it may more shockingly expose itself in front of the assembled company. And just as it respects no one, likewise there are few who respect it. But those who do are granted many favors -- power, understanding, dominion, and of course the honor of the unswerving hatred of the ignorant millions.

Also, about my reaction to Smeagol , well, let me just say I am having an allergic reaction to Americans and all things America right now !

[RyoHazuki]

We Dutch are blunt (direct) and extremely truthful. Some people perceive this as 'rude' because other cultures are like Jew snakes in the grass who are indirect and untruthful :


Truth has no manners. It is no respecter of persons. It wounds kings as deeply as commoners. It cuts down the high, and confirms the lowness of the low. It may dress up for formal occasions, but it does so only in order that it may more shockingly expose itself in front of the assembled company. And just as it respects no one, likewise there are few who respect it. But those who do are granted many favors -- power, understanding, dominion, and of course the honor of the unswerving hatred of the ignorant millions.

Also, about my reaction to Smeagol , well, let me just say I am having an allergic reaction to Americans and all things America right now !

But you ARE American. You aren't Dutch, unless you were actually born and raised with a Dutch family in the Netherlands. Just a couple months ago you were saying you were British. You are larping and in denial. Europeans view you as a foreigner. No European has this much of an identity crisis and requires gene testing to declare their ethnic identity, which is very American of you.

[JamesBond007]

But you ARE American. You aren't Dutch. You are larping and in denial. Europeans view you as a foreigner.

Hallo goedemiddag hoe gaat het met je ? Met mij gaat het gaad. ik ben Nederlands. Waar kom je vandaan ?

Nigga, there is no such thing as an 'American'. The Jews turned being 'American' into an abstract idea rather than a concrete reality.

[Teutonski]

Because the Irish have been oppressed since at least 1536 when the first English colonization of Ireland occurred. Also, there is both celtic and germanic Y-DNA in England and the Netherlands but in England it is about half the population more or less and in the Netherlands it is even more of a minority but R1b-L21 exists in the Netherlands :

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/R-L21.png/1024px-R-L21.png

True dutch people are I1 you redneck

[RyoHazuki]

Hallo goedmiddag hoe gaat het met je ? Met mij gaat het gaad. ik ben Nederlands. Waar kom je vandaan ?

Nigga, there is no such thing as an 'American'. The Jews turned being 'American' into an abstract idea rather than a concrete reality.

Learning dutch like your supposed ancestors is cute. You can tell yourself you aren't American and no such thing exists, but do explain how Europeans spot our people, our borders, our mentality, our mannerisms and our proclivities from 10 miles away if we don't exist. You going on about your ancestors and dna, in denial of all of this is the opposite of European and telltale sign of being AMERICANIZED.

[RyoHazuki]

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[Teutonski]

Learning dutch like your supposed ancestors is cute. You can tell yourself you aren't American and no such thing exists, but do explain how Europeans spot our people, our borders, our mentality, our mannerisms and our proclivities from 10 miles away if we don't exist. You going on about your ancestors and dna, in denial of all of this is the opposite of European and telltale sign of being AMERICANIZED.

I admire the American mentality and way of life and I am a continental European, a real Frisian unlike the JamesBond clown.

[JamesBond007]

Learning dutch like your supposed ancestors is cute. You can tell yourself you aren't American and no such thing exists, but do explain how Europeans spot our people, our borders, our mentality, our mannerisms and our proclivities from 10 miles away if we don't exist. You going on about your ancestors and dna, in denial of all of this is the opposite of European and telltale sign of being AMERICANIZED.

You forget that I did not grow up in 'America' . I grew up in the capital of the world : New York city which is another beast altogether. Europeans spot Americans a mile away because they don't bother to speak the language (Bonjour comment allez vous ? Voulez-vous parlez français avec moi ?), dress like slobs and are fat or obese. I am not the average American. All it takes is some research that ignorant and belligerent Americans won't do :



https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_bb2d907e-a522-4e1e-b93e-6338adca5c23

[JamesBond007]

I admire the American mentality and way of life and I am a continental European, a real Frisian unlike the JamesBond clown.

As a German you want to be Frisian because they are the blondest and most blue eyed Dutch people. Some North Dutch people are Frisian but not all. I would fit in better in Gelderland than Frisia.

[JamesBond007]

Learning dutch like your supposed ancestors is cute. You can tell yourself you aren't American and no such thing exists, but do explain how Europeans spot our people, our borders, our mentality, our mannerisms and our proclivities from 10 miles away if we don't exist. You going on about your ancestors and dna, in denial of all of this is the opposite of European and telltale sign of being AMERICANIZED.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d6/dd/83/d6dd832c108ec1b8c93d973bf63632ea.png

[Teutonski]

As a German you want to be Frisian because they are the blondest and most blue eyed Dutch people. Some North Dutch people are Frisian but not all. I would fit in better in Gelderland than Frisia.

I am Frisian genetically, check my 23andme.

Also I am I1, so more of a dutch than you are.

I live right at the dutch/german border while you are a R1 euromutt.

The only thing I respect about you is your morning routine.

[RyoHazuki]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d6/dd/83/d6dd832c108ec1b8c93d973bf63632ea.png

You denying your nation shows me you're American. For a European, other Europeans sure do not think of you as their brother.

[RyoHazuki]

I am Frisian genetically, check my 23andme.

Also I am I1, so more of a dutch than you are.

I live right at the dutch/german border while you are a R1 euromutt.

The only thing I respect about you is your morning routine.

"Let me lecture you about Europeans" said the American.

[RyoHazuki]

You forget that I did not grow up in 'America' . I grew up in the capital of the world : New York city which is another beast altogether. Europeans spot Americans a mile away because they don't bother to speak the language (Bonjour comment allez vous ? Voulez-vous parlez français avec moi ?), dress like slobs and are fat or obese. I am not the average American. All it takes is some research that ignorant and belligerent Americans won't do :



https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_bb2d907e-a522-4e1e-b93e-6338adca5c23

This is you right now: https://youtu.be/84LnTrQ2us8

[Teutonski]

You denying your nation shows me you're American. For a European, other Europeans sure do not think of you as their brother.

If you are genetically European/White you are one of us no matter if White American,Australian or South African.

[RyoHazuki]

As a German you want to be Frisian because they are the blondest and most blue eyed Dutch people. Some North Dutch people are Frisian but not all. I would fit in better in Gelderland than Frisia.

Teutone, unlike you, doesn't change his ethnicity every few months.

[RyoHazuki]

If you are genetically European/White you are one of us no matter if White American,Australian or South African.

If I had a kid in Paris and raised him among Parisians, no doubt he will be one of them. But I could only be Parisian myself if my mouth stays closed XD

[Teutonski]

If I had a kid in Paris and raised him among Parisians, no doubt he will be one of them. But I could only be Parisian myself if my mouth stays closed XD

Frenchs are cucks, they got no ancestry connected to nationality.

If you were a Turk 3rd gen living in Germany on the other hand, you will never be seen as German.

[Saint-Glinglin]

. All it takes is some research that ignorant and belligerent Americans won't do

Why not just move to Netherlands to experiment the dutch life first hand ?

Some americans move to France or Italy because they love these countries, maybe you should give Netherlands a try.

[Coastal Elite]

Daco Celtic is a perfect example his autosomal DNA is probably German or French but since he is American he insists these commercial companies tell him he is part 'Irish'.


https://youtu.be/vaJiAHR1KWQ