DNA Result from Western Thrace

[Kaspias]

*I was able to convince two of my friends to take a DNA test, here the first one:

Ancestry: Komotini

FTDNA: 69% Asia Minor, 26% West and Central Europe, 5% Central Asia

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 22.48
2 West_Asian 15.71
3 North_Atlantic 15.53
4 Baltic 15.42
5 West_Med 14.46
6 Siberian 7.69
7 South_Asian 2.89
8 Red_Sea 2.63
9 Sub-Saharan 1.25
10 East_Asian 1.18
11 Amerindian 0.54
12 Oceanian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 11.14
2 Central_Greek 12.99
3 Bulgarian 13.27
4 Italian_Abruzzo 13.69
5 East_Sicilian 13.95
6 Romanian 14.65
7 Ashkenazi 15.05
8 West_Sicilian 15.58
9 South_Italian 16.23
10 Tuscan 17.43
11 Serbian 18.33
12 Turkish 19.6
13 Sephardic_Jewish 20.44
14 North_Italian 20.99
15 Algerian_Jewish 21.04
16 Italian_Jewish 21.3
17 Moldavian 22.31
18 Nogay 22.55
19 Tunisian_Jewish 23.47
20 Azeri 23.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.3% Greek_Thessaly + 27.7% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3.26
2 71.1% South_Italian + 28.9% Mari @ 4.07
3 62.5% South_Italian + 37.5% Tatar @ 4.25
4 69.3% South_Italian + 30.7% Chuvash @ 4.32
5 56.6% Sephardic_Jewish + 43.4% Tatar @ 4.53
6 75.2% Greek_Thessaly + 24.8% Uzbeki @ 4.59
7 76.1% Central_Greek + 23.9% Mari @ 4.65
8 52.4% Cyprian + 47.6% Tatar @ 4.8
9 68.7% Greek_Thessaly + 31.3% Nogay @ 4.86
10 74.7% East_Sicilian + 25.3% Mari @ 5.06
11 76.7% Greek_Thessaly + 23.3% Aghan_Hazara @ 5.21
12 55.7% Italian_Jewish + 44.3% Tatar @ 5.22
13 66.7% East_Sicilian + 33.3% Tatar @ 5.24
14 68.6% Central_Greek + 31.4% Tatar @ 5.25
15 56% Algerian_Jewish + 44% Tatar @ 5.29
16 82.3% Greek_Thessaly + 17.7% Shors @ 5.29
17 78.9% Greek_Thessaly + 21.1% Hazara @ 5.35
18 69.8% Central_Greek + 30.2% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.35
19 74.8% Central_Greek + 25.2% Chuvash @ 5.39
20 83.3% Greek_Thessaly + 16.7% Hakas @ 5.39


Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.59
2 West_Asian 14.81
3 North_Sea 11.94
4 West_Med 11.63
5 Eastern_Euro 10.17
6 Atlantic 8.96
7 Siberian 7.06
8 Baltic 6.61
9 South_Asian 2.57
10 Red_Sea 2.03
11 Southeast_Asian 1.16
12 Sub-Saharan 1.07
13 Amerindian 0.34
14 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi 11.76
2 Greek_Thessaly 11.94
3 Greek 12.69
4 Central_Greek 13.01
5 Italian_Abruzzo 13.5
6 East_Sicilian 13.98
7 Bulgarian 14.19
8 Romanian 14.98
9 West_Sicilian 15.48
10 South_Italian 15.73
11 Tuscan 16.56
12 Serbian 17.33
13 Turkish 18.18
14 Italian_Jewish 18.42
15 Sephardic_Jewish 18.87
16 Algerian_Jewish 19.69
17 Turkmen 20.03
18 North_Italian 20.49
19 Moldavian 21.22
20 Azeri 21.24

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.3% Central_Greek + 23.7% Mari @ 5.13
2 72.2% South_Italian + 27.8% Mari @ 5.28
3 69.6% South_Italian + 30.4% Chuvash @ 5.39
4 71.4% Greek_Thessaly + 28.6% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.4
5 52.7% Cyprian + 47.3% Tatar @ 5.53
6 69.4% Central_Greek + 30.6% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.71
7 74.2% Central_Greek + 25.8% Chuvash @ 5.72
8 80.1% Central_Greek + 19.9% Shors @ 5.79
9 62.4% South_Italian + 37.6% Tatar @ 5.86
10 75.1% East_Sicilian + 24.9% Mari @ 5.9
11 58.2% Italian_Jewish + 41.8% Tatar @ 5.97
12 72.3% Ashkenazi + 27.7% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6
13 70.3% Greek + 29.7% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.12
14 67.9% Central_Greek + 32.1% Tatar @ 6.27
15 72.9% East_Sicilian + 27.1% Chuvash @ 6.27
16 68.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 31.1% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.37
17 68% East_Sicilian + 32% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.47
18 81.4% Central_Greek + 18.6% Hakas @ 6.5
19 56.4% Algerian_Jewish + 43.6% Tatar @ 6.52
20 71.1% Ashkenazi + 28.9% Tatar @ 6.53


MDLP K23b


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 30.32
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 18.06
3 European_Early_Farmers 16.81
4 Near_East 9.02
5 South_Central_Asian 7.22
6 East_Siberian 4.83
7 Ancestral_Altaic 3.58
8 Tungus-Altaic 2.49
9 South_Indian 1.74
10 North_African 1.39
11 East_African 1.36
12 Amerindian 1.19
13 South_East_Asian 1.07
14 Archaic_Human 0.48
15 Australoid 0.41
16 Arctic 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 8.79
2 Slovenian ( ) 9.74
3 Czech ( ) 9.78
4 Hungarian ( ) 9.84
5 Serb_Serbia ( ) 9.88
6 Bosnian ( ) 10.14
7 Serb_BH ( ) 10.15
8 Croat ( ) 10.24
9 Slovak ( ) 10.38
10 Montenegrian ( ) 10.47
11 Croat_BH ( ) 10.66
12 Ukrainian_West ( ) 11.08
13 Austrian ( ) 11.67
14 Bulgarian ( ) 11.8
15 Macedonian ( ) 11.95
16 Kashub ( ) 12.25
17 Sorb ( ) 12.8
18 Sicilian_West ( ) 13.09
19 Ukrainian_Center ( ) 13.35
20 German ( ) 13.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.5% Sicilian_West ( ) + 39.5% Tatar-Kazan ( ) @ 4.06
2 69.2% Sicilian_West ( ) + 30.8% Chuvashs ( ) @ 4.23
3 65.1% Sicilian_West ( ) + 34.9% Tatar_Mishar ( ) @ 4.26
4 56.7% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) + 43.3% Tatar_Mishar ( ) @ 4.28
5 65.5% Sicilian_West ( ) + 34.5% Tatar ( ) @ 4.4
6 60.8% Sicilian_West ( ) + 39.2% Tatar-Mishar ( ) @ 4.42
7 53.6% Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) + 46.4% Tatar-Kazan ( ) @ 4.48
8 72.8% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 27.2% Tatar-Siberian ( ) @ 4.63
9 70.1% Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) + 29.9% Bashkir ( ) @ 4.63
10 53.8% Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) + 46.2% Tatar-Mishar ( ) @ 4.64
11 68.8% Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) + 31.2% Bashkir ( ) @ 4.7
12 55.6% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) + 44.4% Tatar-Kazan ( ) @ 4.72
13 65% Swede_Saami ( ) + 35% Lebanese_Christian ( ) @ 4.77
14 64.5% Swede_Saami ( ) + 35.5% Lebanese_Druze ( ) @ 4.78
15 71.3% Sicilian_West ( ) + 28.7% Chuvash ( ) @ 4.79
16 72.2% Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) + 27.8% Bashkir ( ) @ 4.79
17 62.9% Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) + 37.1% Chuvashs ( ) @ 4.81
18 58.4% Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) + 41.6% Tatar_Mishar ( ) @ 4.81
19 58.8% Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) + 41.2% Tatar ( ) @ 4.81
20 65.7% Sicilian_West ( ) + 34.3% Tatar_Kryashen ( ) @ 4.82


Dodecad K12b


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 26.47
2 North_European 22.23
3 Atlantic_Med 20.59
4 Gedrosia 9.55
5 Southwest_Asian 8.88
6 Siberian 6.27
7 East_Asian 2.64
8 South_Asian 2.31
9 Northwest_African 0.63
10 East_African 0.41

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 14.77
2 Greek (Dodecad) 15.23
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 15.46
4 Romanians (Behar) 16.37
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 16.48
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 17.38
7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.77
8 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.12
9 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 18.28
10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.54
11 Tuscan (HGDP) 18.91
12 TSI30 (Metspalu) 19.37
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.44
14 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 22.23
15 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.62
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 22.83
17 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 23.5
18 North_Italian (HGDP) 24
19 Turks (Behar) 24.22
20 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 25.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 31.3% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.69
2 63.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 36.2% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.04
3 68.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 31.5% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.53
4 65.5% Turkish (Dodecad) + 34.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 6.94
5 64% Turks (Behar) + 36% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 6.96
6 61.9% Turks (Behar) + 38.1% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 7.01
7 70.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 29.7% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 7.04
8 71.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 28.9% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 7.05
9 59.9% Turks (Behar) + 40.1% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 7.08
10 62.7% Turks (Behar) + 37.3% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 7.15
11 62.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 37.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 7.18
12 61% Turks (Behar) + 39% English (Dodecad) @ 7.19
13 60.9% Turks (Behar) + 39.1% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 7.21
14 62.7% Turks (Behar) + 37.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 7.21
15 60.7% Turks (Behar) + 39.3% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 7.23
16 62.6% Turks (Behar) + 37.4% Irish (Dodecad) @ 7.24
17 62.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 37.5% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 7.26
18 62.7% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 37.3% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 7.27
19 61.9% Turks (Behar) + 38.1% British (Dodecad) @ 7.27
20 68.2% Greek (Dodecad) + 31.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 7.29


PuntDNAL K15


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 28.72
2 NE_European 28.07
3 Caucasian 21.52
4 SW_Asian 6.52
5 Siberian 5
6 E_Asian 3.45
7 Horn_Of_Africa 2.54
8 S_Indian 2.07
9 Beringian 0.62
10 Oceanian 0.6
11 Amerindian 0.59
12 Wht_Nile_River 0.16
13 S_African 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Central 9.8
2 Greek_Thessaly 9.94
3 Albanian 11.79
4 Tuscan 12.34
5 Montenegrin 13.94
6 Bulgarian 13.99
7 Ashkenazy_Jew 14.32
8 Macedonian 14.68
9 Italian 14.79
10 Romanian 14.83
11 Bosnian 15.35
12 Sicilian 16.06
13 Sephardic_Jew 17.45
14 Brazilian 18.75
15 Serbian 19.94
16 Portuguese 21.58
17 Nogai 22.54
18 Spaniard 22.6
19 French 23.83
20 Turk_Kayseri 23.89

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76% Greek_Thessaly + 24% Uzbek @ 2.32
2 80.4% Greek_Thessaly + 19.6% Hazara @ 2.79
3 72.8% Albanian + 27.2% Uzbek @ 2.84
4 79.7% Greek_Thessaly + 20.3% Uyghur @ 2.9
5 65.5% Montenegrin + 34.5% Turkmen @ 3.2
6 64.1% Italian + 35.9% Turkmen @ 3.22
7 65% Sicilian + 35% Bashkir @ 3.32
8 67.7% Ashkenazy_Jew + 32.3% Bashkir @ 3.35
9 72.1% Tuscan + 27.9% Uzbek @ 3.47
10 53.6% Spaniard + 46.4% Turkmen @ 3.48
11 77% Greek_Central + 23% Uzbek @ 3.55
12 80.4% Greek_Central + 19.6% Uyghur @ 3.78
13 81.2% Greek_Central + 18.8% Hazara @ 3.8
14 63.1% Sephardic_Jew + 36.9% Bashkir @ 3.91
15 67.4% Sephardic_Jew + 32.6% Chuvash @ 3.91
16 77.9% Albanian + 22.1% Hazara @ 3.99
17 65.7% Bulgarian + 34.3% Turkmen @ 4.04
18 54.8% Portuguese + 45.2% Turkmen @ 4.22
19 77.1% Albanian + 22.9% Uyghur @ 4.23
20 76.8% Greek_Central + 23.2% Bashkir @ 4.32

[Thracian]

Are these 23andMe kits, right? He probably would score less SSA in V3. His West Asian score is low yet he scores higher East Eurasian.

[Bosniensis]

Turko - Balkaner OURS.

[Kaspias]

Are these 23andMe kits, right? He probably would score less SSA in V3. His West Asian score is low yet he scores higher East Eurasian.

It is FTDNA kit. So his SS seems a bit strange.

His Turkic admixture equal to me, same amount of Siberian, East Asian and South Asian but has less Euro admixture, expectedly.

[Kyp]

I've noticed that Balkan Turks get high Siberian in contrast to East Asian. Do you know why? Or is it just founder effect?
It's like 80:20 for them while for the rest of Turks it's more like 55:45

[Kaspias]

I've noticed that Balkan Turks get high Siberian in contrast to East Asian. Do you know why? Or is it just founder effect?
It's like 80:20 for them while for the rest of Turks it's more like 55:45

Indeed this is the case despite there are some who have more East Asian or equal, high Siberian ones are the majority.. I remember 4 years ago when i did my test for the first time i posted my result, and Turks were saying "Your Siberian is so high but have almost no East Asian. These results are fake!" and I was like what are you talking about... :D

It is hard to give an answer to this question. But:

1- As you stated it can be just a random founder effect.
2- It can be about the Tatar population in the Balkans as different from Anatolia, or any other Turkic populations settled in Balkans before Ottomans arrive.
3- Turkmen tribes migrated to the Balkans can have more Siberian than East Asian.

[Thracian]

It is FTDNA kit. So his SS seems a bit strange.

His Turkic admixture equal to me, same amount of Siberian, East Asian and South Asian but has less Euro admixture, expectedly.

I see. I thought he got some SSA just because of lower SNP counts.

Indeed, almost identical. Yes, he is clearly more southern shifted than you.

[Thracian]

I've noticed that Balkan Turks get high Siberian in contrast to East Asian. Do you know why? Or is it just founder effect?
It's like 80:20 for them while for the rest of Turks it's more like 55:45

Yes, somehow some Anatolian Turks score East Asian. My predominant component is also Siberian and just 0.10% East Asian which is most likely a noise.

East_Asian 0.10 Pct
Siberian 2.84 Pct
Amerindian 0.36 Pct

According to Eurogenes K13's SS, Turkmens also have more Siberian than East Asian (10.07% vs 6.87%). Also, Slavic populations also have more Siberian than East Asian. Interesting part is Uygurs score more East Asian than Siberian. Maybe it can be about other Turkic migrations to Anatolia and Balkans. As you know, Turkmens also mixed with Iranics.

[Kyp]

Yes, somehow some Anatolian Turks score East Asian. My predominant component is also Siberian and just 0.10% East Asian which is most likely a noise.

East_Asian 0.10 Pct
Siberian 2.84 Pct
Amerindian 0.36 Pct

According to Eurogenes K13's SS, Turkmens also have more Siberian than East Asian (10.07% vs 6.87%). Also, Slavic populations also have more Siberian than East Asian. Interesting part is Uygurs score more East Asian than Siberian. Maybe it can be about other Turkic migrations to Anatolia and Balkans. As you know, Turkmens also mixed with Iranics.

Yes but even on Dodecadk12b for example:
Siberian 7 + East Asian 2

Turkmen averages are around 7 + 7. My father too most of the time has like 3.50 + 3.50. But probably just random inheritance or maybe a different tribe of turks with a different genetic makeup.

[Voskos]

This guy will be E1b. I feel it.

[Thracian]

Yes but even on Dodecadk12b for example:
Siberian 7 + East Asian 2

Turkmen averages are around 7 + 7. My father too most of the time has like 3.50 + 3.50. But probably just random inheritance or maybe a different tribe of turks with a different genetic makeup.

Both are possible.

As far as I know, many Balkan Turks already mixed with Tatars like in Dobruja. Actually, I was also thought like you because even we Balkan Turks score different than each others.

-Some people have more Iranic than East Eurasian.
-Some people do not even score South Asian which is an indicator for Iranic ancestors - I think these people are basically have Tatar like ancestry instead of Turkmen ancestry-
-Some score balanced.

And then, just like you mentioned, Balkan Turks usually do not score East Asian while Anatolian Turks usually score it.

On the other hand, Ottoman 2195 has also more Siberian 32% than East Asian 9%.

[Leto]

Pretty similar results to Kaspias's.

[Kaspias]

Both are possible.

As far as I know, many Balkan Turks already mixed with Tatars like in Dobruja. Actually, I was also thought like you because even we Balkan Turks score different than each others.

-Some people have more Iranic than East Eurasian.
-Some people do not even score South Asian which is an indicator for Iranic ancestors - I think these people are basically have Tatar like ancestry instead of Turkmen ancestry-
-Some score balanced.

And then, just like you mentioned, Balkan Turks usually do not score East Asian while Anatolian Turks usually score it.

On the other hand, Ottoman 2195 has also more Siberian 32% than East Asian 9%.

Not only Dobruja Tatars, actually there were more Tatars in the early Balkan migrations compared to recent expelling of Crimean Tatars. One called as Aktav Tatars, maybe you have heard about it. These are all identified as Turk and melted in the same pot. Ottoman 2195 is also good proxy for that Aktav Tatars by thinking his migration route was North of the Caspian.

I'm planning to open a general thread about the migrations in the Rumelia(Anatolia to Balkan, Balkan to Anatolia and Population demographics of Istanbul after the conquest). Then maybe we can match historical information with genetics.

[Kaspias]

This guy will be E1b. I feel it.

I bought him Y-12, we will see :D

[Voskos]

I bought him Y-12, we will see :D

one can simply not escape the E1b horde.

[Kaspias]

one can simply not escape the E1b horde.

He thinks he will be R1a :D

[Voskos]

He thinks he will be R1a :D

is he pomak or full Turk?

[Kaspias]

is he pomak or full Turk?

Full Turk. He is from the same village as my father.

[Thracian]

Not only Dobruja Tatars, actually there were more Tatars in the early Balkan migrations compared to recent expelling of Crimean Tatars. One called as Aktav Tatars, maybe you have heard about it. These are all identified as Turk and melted in the same pot. Ottoman 2195 is also good proxy for that Aktav Tatars by thinking his migration route was North of the Caspian.

I'm planning to open a general thread about the migrations in the Rumelia(Anatolia to Balkan, Balkan to Anatolia and Population demographics of Istanbul after the conquest). Then maybe we can match historical information with genetics.

Yeah, I know but it was just an example. Ottoman sample doesn't have Anatolian-like ancestry, I mean has no Ned. So, I believe that can be useful rather than modern Turkmen samples.

It would be awesome. We can discuss about migrations to Anatolia and Balkans.

[Kaspias]

This guy will be E1b. I feel it.

He is R-M198 :D

[Leto]

He is R-M198 :D
Our guy.
Voskos is gonna be upset :(

[Voskos]

Our guy.Voskos is gonna be upset :(

About what?I have neither E1bs nor R1as in my family to claim this guy as a Greek or something.

[Rabbit Hole]

Our guy.
Voskos is gonna be upset :(

He's a Janissary descendant

[Rabbit Hole]

About what?I have neither E1bs nor R1as in my family to claim this guy as a Greek or something.

He didn't create civilization, he isn't a son of Zeus lol you have to feel jealous because you're not some Bosnian who bent over and took it up the chuff.

[Leto]

About what?I have neither E1bs nor R1as in my family to claim this guy as a Greek or something.
I mean you aren't a big fan of Indo-Europeans and R1a-rich (North)easterners.

[Rabbit Hole]

I mean you aren't a big fan of Indo-Europeans and R1a-rich (North)easterners.

Rich Easterners created the Mediterranean and civilization this is why we have a lot of Red Sea and East Med because these are the parts that created civilization. Not Janissary descendants lol

Byzantines did their part too.

[Kaspias]

He's a Janissary descendant



Rich Easterners created the Mediterrenran and civilization this is why we have a lot of Red Sea and East Med because these are the parts that created civilization. Not Janissary descendants lol

Byzantines did their part too.

This thread is not a place where you can troll people, please don't write.

[Voskos]

I mean you aren't a big fan of Indo-Europeans and R1a-rich (North)easterners.

I'm not a fan of modern(21st century) nordicists, not Indoeuropeans in general. That's two different things.Anyway let's not derail thread.

[Deniz]

I've noticed that Balkan Turks get high Siberian in contrast to East Asian. Do you know why? Or is it just founder effect?
It's like 80:20 for them while for the rest of Turks it's more like 55:45

Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.59
2 West_Asian 14.81
3 North_Sea 11.94
4 West_Med 11.63
5 Eastern_Euro 10.17
6 Atlantic 8.96
7 Siberian 7.06
8 Baltic 6.61
9 South_Asian 2.57
10 Red_Sea 2.03
11 Southeast_Asian 1.16
12 Sub-Saharan 1.07
13 Amerindian 0.34
14 Oceanian 0.05

You can find the answer here.

[Kaspias]

Eurogenes K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.59
2 West_Asian 14.81
3 North_Sea 11.94
4 West_Med 11.63
5 Eastern_Euro 10.17
6 Atlantic 8.96
7 Siberian 7.06
8 Baltic 6.61
9 South_Asian 2.57
10 Red_Sea 2.03
11 Southeast_Asian 1.16
12 Sub-Saharan 1.07
13 Amerindian 0.34
14 Oceanian 0.05

You can find the answer here.

What does your father get in K15 as 1/4 Tatar?

[Rabbit Hole]

This thread is not a place where you can troll people, please don't write.

I know but why make stupid comments like he's going to feel jealous because he's not a Balkan Slav with mild Baltid genes. Don't you think he's got more to be proud of than being a Balkan Slav Yani Cer

Also Mediterranean. :D

[Mejgusu]

In another thread we discussed what anatolia means, he got on one test 69% asia minor and 5% central asia so otherwise he scores 8% eastasian. That means for me asia minor doesnt mean ancient anatolia and central asia doesebt mean just east eurasian. I wrote that but again, i think he is at least 30% oghuz. Pretty high for balkan turk.

[Kaspias]

In another thread we discussed what anatolia means, he got on one test 69% asia minor and 5% central asia so otherwise he scores 8% eastasian. That means for me asia minor doesnt mean ancient anatolia and central asia doesebt mean just east eurasian. I wrote that but again, i think he is at least 30% oghuz. Pretty high for balkan turk.

Yes, this is the case in all DNA companies.

[Rabbit Hole]

In another thread we discussed what anatolia means, he got on one test 69% asia minor and 5% central asia so otherwise he scores 8% eastasian. That means for me asia minor doesnt mean ancient anatolia and central asia doesebt mean just east eurasian. I wrote that but again, i think he is at least 30% oghuz. Pretty high for balkan turk.

Anatolian are Hittite he doesn't have enough Red Sea West Asian or East Med to be there. I got Mycena and Hittite in my k36 so he's no ''Anatolian'' or ''Anatolian mixed'' we aren't Slavs. His score is like Bosnian or whatever not even main land South European.

[Mejgusu]

Just noticed, because it was the issue of another thread.

[Deniz]

What does your father get in K15 as 1/4 Tatar?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.1
2 East_Med 20.91
3 West_Asian 16.54
4 West_Med 14.69
5 North_Atlantic 14.23
6 Siberian 5.15
7 Red_Sea 1.35
8 Sub-Saharan 1.2
9 Oceanian 0.82

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 19.29
2 Baltic 14.97
3 West_Asian 14.92
4 Eastern_Euro 13.27
5 Atlantic 11
6 West_Med 10.46
7 North_Sea 8.89
8 Siberian 4.27
9 Red_Sea 1.42
10 Sub-Saharan 0.97
11 Oceanian 0.54


Bolca eastern euro ve sadece siberian.Annemler tamamen farklı.

[Rabbit Hole]

Just noticed, because it was the issue of another thread.

You can't claim to be Anatolian because you have inhabited there after the 1800 after the turks moved the converts to turkey from ,Armenia, Thrace, Greece,Crete and Ex Yugo. Anatolian are Hittite. If you run his k36 ( population ) chart on Ged you'd get the exact answer at a guess probably Illyrian/Thracian/Scythian mainland Greek mixed.

At a push it may be a North Greek score. But it seems more Balkan Slavs I have even seen a Sicilian score more Red Sea than that ( 1 percent more )

[Mejgusu]

You can't claim to be Anatolian because you have inhabited there after the 1800 after the turks moved the converts to turkey from ,Armenia, Thrace, Greece,Crete and Ex Yugo. Anatolian are Hittite. If you run his k36 ( population ) chart on Ged you'd get the exact answer at a guess probably Illyrian/Thracian/Scythian mainland Greek mixed.

At a push it may be a North Greek score. But it seems more Balkan Slavs I have even seen a Sicilian score more Red Sea than that ( 1 percent more )

Stop please, look at the topic. I wont discuss that here maybe on another thread. Why this overreacting :picard2:
This thread was going to be interesting , so if yo want to discuss there are other threads or start a new on.

[Kaspias]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.1
2 East_Med 20.91
3 West_Asian 16.54
4 West_Med 14.69
5 North_Atlantic 14.23
6 Siberian 5.15
7 Red_Sea 1.35
8 Sub-Saharan 1.2
9 Oceanian 0.82

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 19.29
2 Baltic 14.97
3 West_Asian 14.92
4 Eastern_Euro 13.27
5 Atlantic 11
6 West_Med 10.46
7 North_Sea 8.89
8 Siberian 4.27
9 Red_Sea 1.42
10 Sub-Saharan 0.97
11 Oceanian 0.54


Bolca eastern euro ve sadece siberian.Annemler tamamen farklı.

Hmm... See mine:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.45
2 North_Sea 14.77
3 West_Asian 13.38
4 Eastern_Euro 12.2
5 Baltic 10.08
6 West_Med 10.03
7 Siberian 6.85
8 Atlantic 5.56
9 Red_Sea 2.46
10 South_Asian 1.97
11 Southeast_Asian 1.03
12 Sub-Saharan 0.47
13 Amerindian 0.44
14 Oceanian 0.31


I have South Asian and East Asian, he doesn't have. East Euro is similar though

[Deniz]

Hmm... See mine:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.45
2 North_Sea 14.77
3 West_Asian 13.38
4 Eastern_Euro 12.2
5 Baltic 10.08
6 West_Med 10.03
7 Siberian 6.85
8 Atlantic 5.56
9 Red_Sea 2.46
10 South_Asian 1.97
11 Southeast_Asian 1.03
12 Sub-Saharan 0.47
13 Amerindian 0.44
14 Oceanian 0.31


I have South Asian and East Asian, he doesn't have. East Euro is similar though

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 18.63
2 East_Med 17.52
3 West_Asian 14.88
4 Baltic 14.49
5 Eastern_Euro 13.76
6 West_Med 8.16
7 North_Sea 6.49
8 Siberian 3.5
9 Red_Sea 1.69
10 Northeast_African 0.87

Atlantic up!

[Deniz]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 18.63
2 East_Med 17.52
3 West_Asian 14.88
4 Baltic 14.49
5 Eastern_Euro 13.76
6 West_Med 8.16
7 North_Sea 6.49
8 Siberian 3.5
9 Red_Sea 1.69
10 Northeast_African 0.87

Atlantic up!

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 16.54
2 Atlantic 16.08
3 Baltic 15.64
4 West_Asian 12.91
5 North_Sea 10.8
6 Eastern_Euro 10.15
7 West_Med 10.01
8 Southeast_Asian 2.39
9 Siberian 1.83
10 South_Asian 1.73
11 Sub-Saharan 1.03
12 Red_Sea 0.88
13 Amerindian 0.01

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 16.13
2 East_Med 14.94
3 Baltic 14.54
4 West_Asian 14.39
5 North_Sea 11.23
6 West_Med 10.01
7 Eastern_Euro 9.33
8 Red_Sea 2.86
9 Siberian 2.44
10 Southeast_Asian 2.33
11 Northeast_African 0.93
12 South_Asian 0.51
13 Amerindian 0.36

[Kaspias]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 18.63
2 East_Med 17.52
3 West_Asian 14.88
4 Baltic 14.49
5 Eastern_Euro 13.76
6 West_Med 8.16
7 North_Sea 6.49
8 Siberian 3.5
9 Red_Sea 1.69
10 Northeast_African 0.87

Atlantic up!

Do you remember I was mentioning you the Tatar migration which didn't label as Crimean and comes from Moldova? Also, we were suspecting on additional CHG admixture from somewhere in your case. See these models:

Target: Deniz
Distance: 8.0714% / 8.07144737 | ADC: 0.5x
69.0 Bulgarian_Thracian
17.8 Tatar
7.8 Romania_Ne
5.4 Kumyk

Target: Deniz
Distance: 10.0601% / 10.06011992 | ADC: 0.5x
49.4 Bulgarian
24.2 Romanian
15.6 Turkish_Anatolia
10.8 Tatar


Target: Deniz
Distance: 10.4575% / 10.45751942 | ADC: 0.5x
76.4 Bulgarian
8.4 Nogay
5.0 Romanian
4.8 Iranian_Mazandarani
4.6 Tatar
0.8 West_Sicilian

Target: Deniz
Distance: 10.5330% / 10.53303864 | ADC: 0.5x
77.2 Bulgarian
9.6 Nogay
4.2 Tatar
4.0 Iranian_Lur
4.0 Romanian
1.0 West_Sicilian

Here I edited the spreadsheet:


Afghan_Turkmen,5.96,3.18,4.34,12.09,1.54,18.62,8.3 0,0.19,8.87,10.33,23.88,1.28,0.61,0.21,0.60
Gagauz,13.85,12.01,15.31,9.84,13.82,12.36,18.58,2. 86,0.29,0.13,0.19,0.24,0.47,0.04,0.00
Tatar,14.44,10.70,16.22,22.17,2.71,9.60,1.41,0.73, 2.41,2.97,14.22,1.72,0.19,0.11,0.40
Bulgarian,14.40,14.28,16.61,9.81,13.50,10.73,17.01 ,2.37,0.23,0.09,0.19,0.39,0.32,0.06,0.01
Bulgarian_Thracian,7.44,15.78,16.37,6.07,14.41,11. 92,22.38,2.27,2.17,0.67,0.28,0.00,0.25,0.00,0.00
Iranian_Persian,4.07,0.35,1.22,7.61,1.15,33.42,29. 19,6.35,12.55,0.47,0.82,0.84,0.44,0.42,1.1
Greek_Anatolia,1.21,4.18,1.26,0.63,11.53,21.37,46. 73,10.66,0.7,0.24,0,0.03,0.26,1.2,0


Target: Deniz
Distance: 8.1748% / 8.17479880
66.2 Bulgarian_Thracian
27.8 Tatar
6.0 Iranian_Persian


See the OP and I:

Target: Altay
Distance: 5.9675% / 5.96752858
42.0 Greek
24.4 Gagauz
23.0 Afghan_Turkmen
10.6 Iranian_Persian

Target: Kaspias
Distance: 7.1940% / 7.19404684
69.2 Gagauz
19.8 Afghan_Turkmen
9.6 Iranian_Persian
1.4 Tatar

[Deniz]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 18.63
2 East_Med 17.52
3 West_Asian 14.88
4 Baltic 14.49
5 Eastern_Euro 13.76
6 West_Med 8.16
7 North_Sea 6.49
8 Siberian 3.5
9 Red_Sea 1.69
10 Northeast_African 0.87

Atlantic up!

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 16.54
2 Atlantic 16.08
3 Baltic 15.64
4 West_Asian 12.91
5 North_Sea 10.8
6 Eastern_Euro 10.15
7 West_Med 10.01
8 Southeast_Asian 2.39
9 Siberian 1.83
10 South_Asian 1.73
11 Sub-Saharan 1.03
12 Red_Sea 0.88
13 Amerindian 0.01

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 16.13
2 East_Med 14.94
3 Baltic 14.54
4 West_Asian 14.39
5 North_Sea 11.23
6 West_Med 10.01
7 Eastern_Euro 9.33
8 Red_Sea 2.86
9 Siberian 2.44
10 Southeast_Asian 2.33
11 Northeast_African 0.93
12 South_Asian 0.51
13 Amerindian 0.36

[Sora]

Interestingly more Mongoloid than average Western Thracian Turks! (Average = 4%, OP = 9%)

[Kaspias]

Interestingly more Mongoloid than average Western Thracian Turks! (Average = 4%, OP = 9%)

Average is not 4.

[Sora]

Average is not 4.


But the website below shows as it's 4% :confused:

https://turkishdnaproject.com/yunanistan-turkleri/

[Fedora]

But the website below shows as it's 4% :confused:

https://turkishdnaproject.com/yunanistan-turkleri/

Bazi köyler türklesmis, onlarda 0% cikiyor, bunlari ortalamaya katmislar. Arnavut sinirindanb bir örnek vardi 0% asyasi vardi

[Kaspias]

But the website below shows as it's 4% :confused:

https://turkishdnaproject.com/yunanistan-turkleri/

There are 4 regions, not only Western Thrace. Total sample size is 11 for all.


These are my averages:

İskeçe: 5.49% (N=2)
Gümülcine, Ova: 5.77% (N=2)
Gümülcine, Yaka: 9.15% (N=6)
Dedeğaç: 4.65% (N=4)

[Liquid]

There are 4 regions, not only Western Thrace. Total sample size is 11 for all.


These are my averages:

İskeçe: 5.49% (N=2)
Gümülcine, Ova: 5.77% (N=2)
Gümülcine, Yaka: 9.15% (N=6)
Dedeğaç: 4.65% (N=4)

Rumeli is about 7% according G25, Anatolian Turks are about 10%

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