Turkish Afshar Results

[Kyp]

Distance to: Afshar1
2.72194783 Turk_South
3.74603791 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
3.98043967 Turk_Anatolia
4.67577801 Turk_Central_East
4.85563590 Turk_Central_West
5.92747838 Turk_Southeast
6.09531788 Turk_Southwest
6.31166381 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.89301821 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.05856218 Azerbaijani
7.74133709 Yoruk
8.10428282 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.36884102 Turk_Northwest
10.33865562 Turk_East
11.96414644 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.12301943 Turkmen_Iraq
12.27153617 Zaza
12.90568479 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.32943735 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.57642442 Kurd_Sorani


Distance to: Afshar2
2.70098130 Turk_South
3.71620774 Turk_Anatolia
4.42401401 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
4.58153904 Turk_Central_West
4.71650294 Turk_Southwest
5.58313532 Turk_West_BlackSea
5.71366782 Turk_Central_East
6.30366560 Yoruk
6.76617322 Turk_Southeast
6.81898819 Turk_Northwest
8.16629659 Azerbaijani
8.37862757 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.38972311 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.07976407 Turk_East
13.08157865 Turkmen_Iraq
13.21527525 Kurd_Kurmanji
13.68826870 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
13.73093952 Zaza
14.03488511 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.69292347 Kurd_Sorani


Distance to: Afshar3
2.92817349 Turk_South
3.34363575 Turk_Anatolia
4.20997625 Turk_Southwest
4.26011737 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
4.31216883 Turk_Central_West
4.93518997 Turk_West_BlackSea
5.61751725 Turk_Central_East
6.20278163 Turk_Northwest
6.54334013 Yoruk
7.03755639 Turk_Southeast
8.27141463 Azerbaijani
8.33126041 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.48190909 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.00304128 Turk_East
12.87041569 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
13.24129903 Kurd_Kurmanji
13.42895379 Turkmen_Iraq
13.66493688 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.72993809 Zaza
14.88793135 Talysh_Azerbaijan


Distance to: Afshar4
2.57854610 Turk_South
3.42346316 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
3.49144669 Turk_Anatolia
4.26629816 Turk_Central_West
4.43271926 Turk_Central_East
5.56650698 Turk_Southwest
5.73439622 Turk_Southeast
5.91724598 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.07033238 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.28918377 Azerbaijani
7.60806151 Yoruk
8.11502311 Turk_Northwest
8.55266625 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.66760985 Turk_East
12.26727761 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.39329254 Turkmen_Iraq
12.63775692 Zaza
13.77955007 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.81100286 Kurd_Sorani
14.26127624 Azerbaijani_Dagestan



Average components (Dodecadk12b)

Gedrosian: 15.25
Siberian: 6.22
Northwest_African: 1.16
Southeast_Asian: 0.70
Atlantic_Med: 9.96
North_European: 11.21
South_Asian: 1.71
East_African: 0.32
Southwest_Asian: 10.82
East_Asian: 4.91
Caucasian: 37.57
Sub_Saharan: 0.00



Average distances:


Distance to: Afshar
2.02556165 Turk_South
3.23783879 Turk_Anatolia
3.54681547 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
4.22517455 Turk_Central_West
4.83694118 Turk_Central_East
4.96110875 Turk_Southwest
5.51768067 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.10202425 Turk_Southeast
6.84312794 Yoruk
7.28613752 Turk_Northwest
7.41849041 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.43070656 Azerbaijani
8.63329022 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.13286576 Turk_East
12.50593859 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.59208879 Turkmen_Iraq
12.93446172 Zaza
13.50939673 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.00146064 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
14.03576147 Talysh_Azerbaijan
14.09763101 Kurd_Sorani
15.26434407 Iran_Khorasan
15.35869786 Turkmen_Iran
15.76660078 Armenian_East
15.82849330 Circassian
15.91418864 Uzbekistan_Jews
16.28312624 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
16.43719562 Kumyks
16.53421301 Iranian_Fars
16.76876263 Iranian


With Turkish cities included:


Distance to: Afshar
1.65478095 Turk_Afyon
2.02556165 Turk_South
2.20000000 Turk_Adana
2.70408950 Turk_Osmaniye
3.18520015 Turk_Kirsehir
3.23783879 Turk_Anatolia
3.37831319 Turk_Giresun_North
3.43633526 Turk_Kahranmaras
3.54681547 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
3.58768728 Turk_Aksaray
3.67860028 Turk_Yozgat
3.82333624 Turk_Sereflikochisar
4.04382245 Turk_Nigde
4.06728411 Turk_Ordu
4.10187762 Turk_Izmir
4.22517455 Turk_Central_West
4.33399354 Turk_Bartin
4.41746534 Turk_Tokat
4.42248799 Turk_Ankara
4.83694118 Turk_Central_East
4.89121662 Turk_Aydin
4.96110875 Turk_Southwest
5.01099790 Turk_Cankiri
5.04304472 Turk_Burdur
5.13510467 Turk_Hatay
5.23772852 Turk_Mersin
5.31661546 Turk_Eskisehir
5.40820673 Turk_Sivas
5.43014733 Turk_Nevsehir
5.51768067 Turk_West_BlackSea
5.53719243 Turk_Gaziantep
5.57469282 Turk_Samsun
5.66136026 Turk_Sinop
5.78281938 Turk_Kayseri
5.82186396 Turk_Afyonkarahisa
5.82521244 Turk_Karabuk
5.87924315 Turk_Karaman
5.95894286 Turk_Corum
5.96679143 Turk_Usak
5.96914567 Turk_Konya
6.05222273 Turk_Bolu
6.10202425 Turk_Southeast
6.27181792 Turk_Kilis
6.71790146 Turk_Denizli
6.72625453 Turk_Isparta
6.77572874 Turk_Kastamonu
6.84312794 Yoruk
6.95701804 Turk_Antalya
7.02329695 Turk_Malatya
7.28473747 Turk_Kars
7.28613752 Turk_Northwest
7.41849041 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.43070656 Azerbaijani
7.62413274 Turk_Zonguldak
7.74290643 Turk_Igdir
7.75610082 Turk_Kuhtaya
7.87815334 Turk_Sakarya
8.22372787 Turk_Giresun_South
8.33740967 Turk_Bursa
8.63329022 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.68539003 Turk_Balikesir
8.89790987 Turk_Manisa
9.30367669 Turk_Elazig
9.64551709 Turk_Sanliurfa
9.85160901 Turk_Mugla
9.92299854 Turk_Erzincan
10.20819279 Turk_Canakkale
11.13286576 Turk_East
12.50593859 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.59208879 Turkmen_Iraq
12.93446172 Zaza
13.50527304 Turk_Gumushane
13.50939673 Azerbaijani_Dagestan




"Afshar or Afshari (Azerbaijani: Əfşar türkcəsi, افشار تورکجهسی‎, Әфшар түркҹәси; Turkish: Afşar dili or Afşarca) is a Turkic dialect spoken in Turkey, Iran, Syria, and parts of Afghanistan by the Afshars. Ethnologue and Glottolog list it as a dialect of the South Azerbaijani language.[2]

Afshar is distinguished by many loanwords from Persian and a rounding of the phoneme /a/ to [ɒ], as occurred in Uzbek. In many cases, vowels that are rounded in Azerbaijani are not rounded in Afshar. An example of this is /jiz/ (meaning 100), which is /jyz/ in standard Azerbaijani. "



Afshars in Iran remain a largely nomadic group,[8] with tribes in central Anatolia, northern Iran, and Azerbaijan.[9] They were the source of the Afsharid, Karamanid dynasties,[10] Baku Khanate, Zanjan Khanate and Urmia Khanate.

According to Rashid-al-Din Hamadani, Afshar, the eponymous founder of the tribe, was a son of Yildiz Khan, the third son of Oghuz Khan. Afshar means "obedient".[11]

Nader Shah, who became the monarch of Iran in 1736, was from the Qereklu tribe (Persian: قرخلو‎) of Afshars.[12][13]


Afshars in Turkey mostly live in Sarız, Tomarza and Pınarbaşı districts of Kayseri province, as well as in several villages in Adana, Kahramanmaraş and Gaziantep provinces.[15] Most of Afshars in Turkey are descendants of those who migrated from Iran after the fall of Nader Shah. This is hinted in one of poems by Dadaloğlu, famous Afshar bard during the resistance against forced settlement policy in Ottoman Empire:

https://www.yenidenergenekon.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/image0016.jpgDadaloğlu


List of dynasties with Afshar origin

Afsharid dynasty
Ardabil Khanate
Alaiye
Aydınids
Baku Khanate
Beylik of Lâdik
Germiyanids
Karamanids
Sarukhanids
Zanjan Khanate
Zengid dynasty

[Sora]

Nice! :thumb001: :o

I think they're the most Turkic-admixed group after Chepnis & Southwestern Turks(Muğla, Aydın, Antalya)

[mergen3]

I live in Kayseri. Afshar are with the most turanid phenotypes in Kayseri. I noticed that they are very similar to azerbaijani. they are not very similar to yoruks. Most of them have turanid-anatolid-pontid

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[Kyp]

I live in Kayseri. Afshar are with the most turanid phenotypes in Kayseri. I noticed that they are very similar to azerbaijani. they are not very similar to yoruks. Most of them have turanid-anatolid-pontid

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Thanks my friend for this information. Yes it shows in their results that they are closer to Azeris when compared to other Turks. The results here are from Southwest and Central Anatolia (Kayseri) I think.

[Zoro]

Curious about a couple of things;

1- Why do Afshars use Kurmanji kurd tribal name suffixes "lu". Check the inset in the map below


KURDISH TRIBES

https://i.imgur.com/rGhWbED.jpg


2- Why do Kurmanji Kurds show up higher in their oracles


Distance to: Afshar
2.02556165 Turk_South
3.23783879 Turk_Anatolia
3.54681547 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
4.22517455 Turk_Central_West
4.83694118 Turk_Central_East
4.96110875 Turk_Southwest
5.51768067 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.10202425 Turk_Southeast
6.84312794 Yoruk
7.28613752 Turk_Northwest
7.41849041 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.43070656 Azerbaijani
8.63329022 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.13286576 Turk_East
12.50593859 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.59208879 Turkmen_Iraq
12.93446172 Zaza
13.50939673 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.00146064 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
14.03576147 Talysh_Azerbaijan
14.09763101 Kurd_Sorani
15.26434407 Iran_Khorasan
15.35869786 Turkmen_Iran
15.76660078 Armenian_East
15.82849330 Circassian
15.91418864 Uzbekistan_Jews
16.28312624 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
16.43719562 Kumyks
16.53421301 Iranian_Fars
16.76876263 Iranian



Distance to: Afshar1
2.72194783 Turk_South
3.74603791 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
3.98043967 Turk_Anatolia
4.67577801 Turk_Central_East
4.85563590 Turk_Central_West
5.92747838 Turk_Southeast
6.09531788 Turk_Southwest
6.31166381 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.89301821 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.05856218 Azerbaijani
7.74133709 Yoruk
8.10428282 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.36884102 Turk_Northwest
10.33865562 Turk_East
11.96414644 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.12301943 Turkmen_Iraq
12.27153617 Zaza
12.90568479 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.32943735 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.57642442 Kurd_Sorani

[Bosniensis]

Greco-Armenian + Anatolian Persian

Target: Afshar_TURK
Distance: 5.5633% / 5.56328969 | ADC: 0.5x
39.6 I1634_AR1/44_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia
24.4 R67_Imperial_Era_ANAS
17.0 I1955_GD1150_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_recent_1430-1485
14.6 ThuringiiTribeAED_1108
4.4 Kumtepe004_Anatolian


Thing is that

2.72194783 Turk_South
3.74603791 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
3.98043967 Turk_Anatolia
4.67577801 Turk_Central_East
4.85563590 Turk_Central_West
5.92747838 Turk_Southeast
6.09531788 Turk_Southwest
6.31166381 Turk_West_BlackSea

Those are proxies for Greco-Armenian + Anatolian Iranics

If you write "TURK" doesn't mean it is one.

[Kyp]

Curious about a couple of things;

1- Why do Afshars use Kurmanji kurd tribal name suffixes "lu". Check the inset in the map below


KURDISH TRIBES

https://i.imgur.com/rGhWbED.jpg


2- Why do Kurmanji Kurds show up higher in their oracles

It's not a Kurdish suffix just because some Kurds have it. It's classified as a Turkish suffix everywhere. Most Azeri tribes have -li-lu as suffixes in Iran (myself included). Much higher frequency compared to Kurds.

Kurmanji Kurds show up high because Afshar Turks have an Iranian shift compared to other Turks. Also Kurmanji Kurds have more Anatolian ancestry compared to other Kurds.

[Chris596]

Nice results! I wonder if the proximity to the Crimean Tatar comes from the high siberian component, or something else.

[Zoro]

It's not a Kurdish suffix just because some Kurds have it. Most Azeri tribes have -li-lu as suffixes in Iran (myself included). Much higher frequency compared to Kurds.

Kurmanji Kurds show up high because Afshar Turks have an Iranian shift compared to other Turks. Also Kurmanji Kurds have more Anatolian ancestry compared to other Kurds.

Ok, makes sense.


Greco-Armenian + Anatolian Persian

Target: Afshar_TURK
Distance: 5.5633% / 5.56328969 | ADC: 0.5x
39.6 I1634_AR1/44_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia
24.4 R67_Imperial_Era_ANAS
17.0 I1955_GD1150_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_recent_1430-1485
14.6 ThuringiiTribeAED_1108
4.4 Kumtepe004_Anatolian


Thing is that

2.72194783 Turk_South
3.74603791 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
3.98043967 Turk_Anatolia
4.67577801 Turk_Central_East
4.85563590 Turk_Central_West
5.92747838 Turk_Southeast
6.09531788 Turk_Southwest
6.31166381 Turk_West_BlackSea

Those are proxies for Greco-Armenian + Anatolian Iranics

If you write "TURK" doesn't mean it is one.


Also makes sense i guess

[Kyp]

Ok, makes sense.



Also the map is inaccurate in some cases. For example Shamlu is a turkic tribe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamlu

[Sora]

Greco-Armenian + Anatolian Persian

Target: Afshar_TURK
Distance: 5.5633% / 5.56328969 | ADC: 0.5x
39.6 I1634_AR1/44_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia
24.4 R67_Imperial_Era_ANAS
17.0 I1955_GD1150_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_recent_1430-1485
14.6 ThuringiiTribeAED_1108
4.4 Kumtepe004_Anatolian


Thing is that

2.72194783 Turk_South
3.74603791 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
3.98043967 Turk_Anatolia
4.67577801 Turk_Central_East
4.85563590 Turk_Central_West
5.92747838 Turk_Southeast
6.09531788 Turk_Southwest
6.31166381 Turk_West_BlackSea

Those are proxies for Greco-Armenian + Anatolian Iranics

If you write "TURK" doesn't mean it is one.

Are you joke? What a cringe person are you!


Results of a Turk from Çanakkale(Western Turkey)

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.12
2 West_Asian 20.92
3 West_Med 12.85
4 Baltic 12.09
5 Siberian 10.19
6 North_Atlantic 7.31
7 East_Asian 6.37
8 Red_Sea 4.52
9 South_Asian 1.52
10 Oceanian 1.08
11 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 14.61
2 Nogay 17.12
3 Turkmen 17.82
4 Central_Greek 18.13
5 Azeri 18.37
6 East_Sicilian 18.83
7 Greek_Thessaly 19.51
8 Ashkenazi 19.59
9 Italian_Abruzzo 20.16
10 South_Italian 20.19
11 Kumyk 21.17
12 West_Sicilian 21.92
13 Lebanese_Muslim 22.19
14 Bulgarian 22.39
15 Cyprian 22.46
16 Syrian 22.5
17 Sephardic_Jewish 22.59
18 Algerian_Jewish 23.33
19 Afghan_Turkmen 23.34
20 Balkar 23.5



Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.2% Nogay + 41.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.19
2 53.7% Nogay + 46.3% Ashkenazi @ 5.36
3 51% Cyprian + 49% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.76
4 59% Nogay + 41% Italian_Jewish @ 5.79
5 59.5% Nogay + 40.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.8
6 60% Nogay + 40% Libyan_Jewish @ 6
7 57.5% Nogay + 42.5% Cyprian @ 6.23
8 57.7% Nogay + 42.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.27
9 57% Central_Greek + 43% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.65
10 62.7% Nogay + 37.3% Samaritan @ 6.69
11 59.8% Central_Greek + 40.2% Uzbeki @ 6.73
12 53.8% Cyprian + 46.2% Uzbeki @ 6.76
13 56% East_Sicilian + 44% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.84
14 52.8% Nogay + 47.2% East_Sicilian @ 6.85
15 54% South_Italian + 46% Afghan_Turkmen @ 7.04
16 54.9% Ashkenazi + 45.1% Afghan_Turkmen @ 7.07
17 64.3% Central_Greek + 35.7% Hazara @ 7.1
18 54.8% Nogay + 45.2% South_Italian @ 7.14
19 58.8% East_Sicilian + 41.2% Uzbeki @ 7.15

Here is your nightmare! ;)

[Fedora]

Curious about a couple of things;

1- Why do Afshars use Kurmanji kurd tribal name suffixes "lu". Check the inset in the map below


KURDISH TRIBES

https://i.imgur.com/rGhWbED.jpg


2- Why do Kurmanji Kurds show up higher in their oracles
There is no LAK tribe in Adana and never were. Which village has them? What is this map? Adana is purely Turcoman+Nusayris in the city, and never heard of the Neder tribe same as in Nigde, they are no kurdish settlements in Nigde.
PS: +li +lu suffix is turkish and gives the sense of belonging to somewhere or being contained in something.
Shamlu -> From Sham
şekerli -> with sugar

[Babak]

Nice results! This is what Nader shah would supposedly score too.

[Kyp]

Nice results! This is what Nader shah would supposedly score too.

Less Anatolian, more Iranian and more Turkic.
But yes if you do the math it gives a good proxy for typical Afshar results from 300 years ago.

[Kaspias]

Less Anatolian, more Iranian and more Turkic.
But yes if you do the math it gives a good proxy for typical Afshar results from 300 years ago.

Kyp, if you find time can you model Anatolian Turks in K12b by using Farsi, Greek Central Anatolia, Greek Islander and Greek Trabzon?

Turkic reference should be Göktürk DA89, i'm sure you can find it's gedmatch easily.

According to my experience on G25 I believe that Iranic admixture in Turks are underestimated. It would be good to see the case in dodecad too

[Fedora]

I live in Kayseri. Afshar are with the most turanid phenotypes in Kayseri. I noticed that they are very similar to azerbaijani. they are not very similar to yoruks. Most of them have turanid-anatolid-pontid

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settled Turks in Kayseri score aroudn 4-8% eurasian and have lower NE than Atlantic Med on Dodecad
here are two results from kayseri
https://ibb.co/zhrxP92
https://i.ibb.co/ZWcMYdW/ddd.jpg (https://ibb.co/wMpzwyM)

its obviously becuase of the impact of cappadocian rums, usually turks dont score 2x more atlantic med.

[Kyp]

Kyp, if you find time can you model Anatolian Turks in K12b by using Farsi, Greek Central Anatolia, Greek Islander and Greek Trabzon?

Turkic reference should be Göktürk DA89, i'm sure you can find it's gedmatch easily.

According to my experience on G25 I believe that Iranic admixture in Turks are underestimated. It would be good to see the case in dodecad too

Yes will try to do it this evening or tomorrow, when I have time

[mergen3]

settled Turks in Kayseri score aroudn 4-8% eurasian and have lower NE than Atlantic Med on Dodecad
here are two results from kayseri
https://ibb.co/zhrxP92
https://i.ibb.co/ZWcMYdW/ddd.jpg (https://ibb.co/wMpzwyM)

its obviously becuase of the impact of cappadocian rums, usually turks dont score 2x more atlantic med.According to this result , the people of kayseri are at most %15 turkic ,rest of the Cappadocia rum(%85). İ think these results are like the city center. There are rumors about wealthy families living in the city center. They say we can be Armenian or Rum. People living in towns may have more Turanid

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[Altaylı]

Nice results i am also Afshar Turk