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JohnnyP

05-13-2020, 12:39 AM

Macedonian kit from Southwest - Vevcani - UV9484039.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 19.15
2 West_Med 18.47
3 Baltic 17.7
4 North_Atlantic 16.34
5 West_Asian 15.13
6 Red_Sea 6.72
7 South_Asian 3.3
8 Amerindian 1.27
9 Oceanian 1.23
10 Siberian 0.49
11 Northeast_African 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 7.72
2 Bulgarian 9.61
3 Romanian 11.18
4 Central_Greek 11.67
5 Italian_Abruzzo 12.52
6 East_Sicilian 12.72
7 West_Sicilian 14.29
8 Tuscan 14.98
9 Serbian 15
10 Ashkenazi 15.69
11 South_Italian 15.87
12 North_Italian 17.89
13 Moldavian 19.02
14 Sephardic_Jewish 21.17
15 Algerian_Jewish 21.3
16 Italian_Jewish 21.87
17 Croatian 22.45
18 Turkish 22.62
19 Hungarian 22.63
20 Tunisian_Jewish 24.34

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.8% Greek_Thessaly + 11.2% Kalash @ 5.2
2 89% Greek_Thessaly + 11% Burusho @ 5.31
3 84.8% Greek_Thessaly + 15.2% Tadjik @ 5.32
4 86.8% Greek_Thessaly + 13.2% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.34
5 58.9% Moldavian + 41.1% Syrian @ 5.39
6 89.9% Greek_Thessaly + 10.1% Balochi @ 5.51
7 89.2% Greek_Thessaly + 10.8% Pathan @ 5.53
8 89.7% Greek_Thessaly + 10.3% Punjabi_Jat @ 5.55
9 73% Romanian + 27% Syrian @ 5.57
10 90.2% Greek_Thessaly + 9.8% Brahui @ 5.58
11 86% Greek_Thessaly + 14% Afghan_Tadjik @ 5.58
12 58.9% Moldavian + 41.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 5.68
13 85.6% Greek_Thessaly + 14.4% Chechen @ 5.76
14 57.7% Moldavian + 42.3% Cyprian @ 5.77
15 85.2% Greek_Thessaly + 14.8% Kabardin @ 5.77
16 77.9% Central_Greek + 22.1% Erzya @ 5.78
17 77.6% Central_Greek + 22.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.79
18 86.2% Greek_Thessaly + 13.8% Tabassaran @ 5.8
19 89.9% Greek_Thessaly + 10.1% Makrani @ 5.81
20 61.6% East_Sicilian + 38.4% Moldavian @ 5.83

JohnnyP

05-13-2020, 04:46 PM

Two Macedonian kits from Skopje and Skopje/Resen
A499887 - Skopje

Population
North_Atlantic 24.60 Pct
Baltic 24.12 Pct
West_Med 17.34 Pct
West_Asian 7.57 Pct
East_Med 21.80 Pct
Red_Sea 3.40 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.17 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.67 Pct
Oceanian 0.32 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

NT9869266 - Skopje/Resen

Population
North_Atlantic 25.74 Pct
Baltic 19.17 Pct
West_Med 18.22 Pct
West_Asian 9.22 Pct
East_Med 23.84 Pct
Red_Sea 1.97 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.84 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

JohnnyP

05-16-2020, 05:25 PM

LW5492240

Population
North_Atlantic 22.01 Pct
Baltic 21.24 Pct
West_Med 20.24 Pct
West_Asian 10.68 Pct
East_Med 23.02 Pct
Red_Sea 1.68 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.80 Pct
Amerindian 0.10 Pct
Oceanian 0.25 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

M023856 yDNA - J-M67 / mtDNA - J1c2

North_Atlantic 21.25 Pct
Baltic 21.08 Pct
West_Med 19.90 Pct
West_Asian 10.95 Pct
East_Med 22.61 Pct
Red_Sea 2.08 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.17 Pct
Siberian 0.14 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.40 Pct
Northeast_African 0.40 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

HU4699212 - Skopje

North_Atlantic 23.00 Pct
Baltic 22.48 Pct
West_Med 20.24 Pct
West_Asian 12.31 Pct
East_Med 17.95 Pct
Red_Sea 1.45 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.82 Pct
Siberian 1.45 Pct
Amerindian 0.27 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

EC9988331 - Skopje

North_Atlantic 20.55 Pct
Baltic 22.37 Pct
West_Med 20.06 Pct
West_Asian 12.95 Pct
East_Med 18.84 Pct
Red_Sea 2.47 Pct
South_Asian 0.74 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.24 Pct
Amerindian 0.21 Pct
Oceanian 0.26 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.31 Pct

A851836 - Skopje/Kumanovo

North_Atlantic 19.82 Pct
Baltic 23.09 Pct
West_Med 20.23 Pct
West_Asian 8.45 Pct
East_Med 23.06 Pct
Red_Sea 3.05 Pct
South_Asian 0.45 Pct
East_Asian 0.14 Pct
Siberian 0.77 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.50 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.40 Pct

JohnnyP

05-16-2020, 05:31 PM

Macedonian kits Tetovo/Skopje North/Northwest

JC3310709 - Skopje

North_Atlantic 21.41 Pct
Baltic 23.99 Pct
West_Med 18.19 Pct
West_Asian 11.77 Pct
East_Med 20.00 Pct
Red_Sea 3.03 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.35 Pct
Siberian 0.77 Pct
Amerindian 0.49 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

A154390 - Tetovo

North_Atlantic 22.35 Pct
Baltic 23.26 Pct
West_Med 18.29 Pct
West_Asian 9.49 Pct
East_Med 23.71 Pct
Red_Sea 0.91 Pct
South_Asian 0.18 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.75 Pct
Amerindian 0.18 Pct
Oceanian 0.81 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.06 Pct

A677565 - Skopje

North_Atlantic 18.71 Pct
Baltic 24.95 Pct
West_Med 19.29 Pct
West_Asian 11.69 Pct
East_Med 20.03 Pct
Red_Sea 3.01 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.34 Pct
Siberian 1.08 Pct
Amerindian 0.68 Pct
Oceanian 0.19 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

T588417 - Tetovo

North_Atlantic 19.09 Pct
Baltic 22.54 Pct
West_Med 20.50 Pct
West_Asian 10.08 Pct
East_Med 26.25 Pct
Red_Sea 0.15 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.25 Pct
Siberian 0.20 Pct
Amerindian 0.06 Pct
Oceanian 0.87 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

T491975 - Tetovo

North_Atlantic 21.69 Pct
Baltic 21.74 Pct
West_Med 19.39 Pct
West_Asian 13.15 Pct
East_Med 20.11 Pct
Red_Sea 2.26 Pct
South_Asian 0.89 Pct
East_Asian 0.53 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.24 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

JohnnyP

05-17-2020, 06:32 PM

A584834

North_Atlantic 24.55 Pct
Baltic 21.43 Pct
West_Med 20.41 Pct
West_Asian 12.62 Pct
East_Med 19.23 Pct
Red_Sea 0.59 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.87 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.11 Pct
Oceanian 0.20 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

JohnnyP

05-18-2020, 03:31 PM

New Macedonian kits.

DJ2972615
M206832 -Skopje / y-dna E1b1b1a mtDNA H5
LS6034483
AA7185392 - Bitola
M452396 - Skopje mt H10a1
M960148

LS6034483

North_Atlantic 19.76 Pct
Baltic 19.08 Pct
West_Med 20.55 Pct
West_Asian 12.42 Pct
East_Med 23.18 Pct
Red_Sea 3.10 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.13 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.19 Pct
Oceanian 0.60 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

DJ2972615

North_Atlantic 18.27 Pct
Baltic 23.83 Pct
West_Med 21.92 Pct
West_Asian 8.60 Pct
East_Med 22.85 Pct
Red_Sea 1.72 Pct
South_Asian 0.94 Pct
East_Asian 0.31 Pct
Siberian 0.45 Pct
Amerindian 0.20 Pct
Oceanian 0.48 Pct
Northeast_African 0.44 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

M206832 -Skopje / y-dna E1b1b1a mtDNA H5

North_Atlantic 25.28 Pct
Baltic 23.89 Pct
West_Med 18.87 Pct
West_Asian 10.62 Pct
East_Med 16.76 Pct
Red_Sea 2.50 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.36 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.66 Pct
Oceanian 0.61 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.40 Pct

AA7185392 - Bitola

North_Atlantic 22.26 Pct
Baltic 24.62 Pct
West_Med 19.08 Pct
West_Asian 12.32 Pct
East_Med 20.39 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.07 Pct
Amerindian 0.44 Pct
Oceanian 0.38 Pct
Northeast_African 0.43 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

M452396 - Skopje mt H10a1

North_Atlantic 24.91 Pct
Baltic 22.43 Pct
West_Med 20.18 Pct
West_Asian 11.86 Pct
East_Med 14.71 Pct
Red_Sea 3.58 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.06 Pct
Oceanian 1.18 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.09 Pct

M960148

Population
North_Atlantic 23.39 Pct
Baltic 22.85 Pct
West_Med 18.19 Pct
West_Asian 11.55 Pct
East_Med 20.25 Pct
Red_Sea 1.82 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.32 Pct
Siberian 1.34 Pct
Amerindian 0.13 Pct
Oceanian 0.11 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.07 Pct

Lioncourt

05-18-2020, 09:19 PM

M452396 has the lowest East Med I've seen in Macedonians, while M206832 has the highest North Atlantic + Baltic (almost 50%). Fully Macedonians or part Serb?

JohnnyP

05-19-2020, 12:16 PM

M452396 has the lowest East Med I've seen in Macedonians, while M206832 has the highest North Atlantic + Baltic (almost 50%). Fully Macedonians or part Serb?

M452396 is Woman Macedonian from Skopje (Mother of M206832), who knows, i have kits Macedonians mixed with Serbs there is not less than 26 Baltic ,except one which Serbian part is From Kosovo, but i think South part of Serbia together with Kosovo Serbs are higher East_Med from West.
Everything is possible thats Skopje.

JohnnyP

05-19-2020, 12:34 PM

M228622

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.99
2 Baltic 21.36
3 North_Atlantic 21.00
4 West_Med 19.24
5 West_Asian 11.81
6 Red_Sea 2.16

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 3.646858
2 Romanian @ 6.495318
3 Greek_Thessaly @ 6.905770
4 Serbian @ 11.454204
5 Tuscan @ 14.446844
6 Italian_Abruzzo @ 14.575706
7 Central_Greek @ 14.760818
8 West_Sicilian @ 16.057940
9 East_Sicilian @ 16.235420
10 North_Italian @ 16.644688
11 Moldavian @ 17.849138
12 Ashkenazi @ 18.369709
13 South_Italian @ 19.666172
14 Hungarian @ 20.945305
15 Croatian @ 21.269773
16 Austrian @ 23.859493
17 Portuguese @ 24.521368
18 Spanish_Extremadura @ 25.330315
19 Spanish_Galicia @ 25.474855
20 French @ 25.821131

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Romanian @ 1.900521

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Bulgarian +25% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.349733

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly @ 1.349733
2 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 1.443002
3 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Romanian @ 1.455835
4 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Central_Greek @ 1.609695
5 Bulgarian + Croatian + Greek_Thessaly + South_Italian @ 1.636975
6 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian @ 1.650818
7 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Romanian @ 1.675542
8 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Serbian @ 1.707055
9 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Croatian + Greek_Thessaly @ 1.716527
10 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + East_Sicilian + Romanian @ 1.721519
11 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Serbian + South_Italian @ 1.728263
12 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Serbian @ 1.746575
13 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + West_Sicilian @ 1.755185
14 Central_Greek + Romanian + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 1.777905
15 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Romanian + Romanian @ 1.808789
16 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + South_Italian + South_Polish @ 1.820275
17 Bulgarian + Cyprian + North_Italian + Ukrainian @ 1.822495
18 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 1.836037
19 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + East_Sicilian + Serbian @ 1.848570
20 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Italian_Jewish + Moldavian @ 1.861954

JohnnyP

05-19-2020, 12:52 PM

M452396 has the lowest East Med I've seen in Macedonians, while M206832 has the highest North Atlantic + Baltic (almost 50%). Fully Macedonians or part Serb?

A402373 Macedonian-Bulgarian
T433517 MacedonianMijak - Bulgarian
A024882 Macedonian-Serbian
A877052 Macedonian-Croatian
A646536 Macedonian-KosovoSerbian
KP2099126 Macedonian-LikaSerbian

JohnnyP

05-26-2020, 04:08 PM

H686285

Population
North_Atlantic 25.76 Pct
Baltic 19.67 Pct
West_Med 21.07 Pct
West_Asian 5.86 Pct
East_Med 22.31 Pct
Red_Sea 4.18 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.44 Pct
Siberian 0.39 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.32 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

A078147

Population
North_Atlantic 22.90 Pct
Baltic 19.51 Pct
West_Med 21.65 Pct
West_Asian 10.52 Pct
East_Med 21.51 Pct
Red_Sea 2.94 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.43 Pct
Amerindian 0.53 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

JohnnyP

06-05-2020, 12:52 PM

H075534

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.41
2 West_Med 21.01
3 Baltic 20.97
4 North_Atlantic 20.46
5 West_Asian 9.55
6 Red_Sea 2.68
7 Oceanian 1.08
8 Siberian 0.56
9 Amerindian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.4
2 Bulgarian 5.5
3 Romanian 7.69
4 Serbian 11.5
5 Tuscan 11.79
6 Central_Greek 12.42
7 Italian_Abruzzo 12.69
8 West_Sicilian 13.14
9 East_Sicilian 13.54
10 North_Italian 13.96
11 Ashkenazi 14.93
12 South_Italian 16.5
13 Moldavian 17.1
14 Hungarian 19.7
15 Croatian 19.89
16 Portuguese 20.99
17 Algerian_Jewish 21.42
18 Italian_Jewish 21.54
19 Spanish_Extremadura 21.71
20 Spanish_Galicia 21.83

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.5% Greek_Thessaly + 14.5% Ukrainian @ 2.78
2 87.7% Greek_Thessaly + 12.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.83
3 87.9% Greek_Thessaly + 12.1% Belorussian @ 2.86
4 89.2% Greek_Thessaly + 10.8% Lithuanian @ 2.87
5 81.1% Greek_Thessaly + 18.9% Croatian @ 2.87
6 89.1% Greek_Thessaly + 10.9% Estonian @ 2.87
7 87% Greek_Thessaly + 13% Polish @ 2.9
8 85.6% Greek_Thessaly + 14.4% South_Polish @ 2.91
9 85.2% Greek_Thessaly + 14.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.94
10 87.7% Greek_Thessaly + 12.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.95
11 50.7% Greek_Thessaly + 49.3% Bulgarian @ 2.99
12 87.1% Greek_Thessaly + 12.9% Southwest_Russian @ 2.99
13 79.1% Greek_Thessaly + 20.9% Moldavian @ 3.05
14 82.3% Bulgarian + 17.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.06
15 89.6% Greek_Thessaly + 10.4% East_Finnish @ 3.09
16 89.4% Greek_Thessaly + 10.6% Finnish @ 3.1
17 71.5% Greek_Thessaly + 28.5% Serbian @ 3.13
18 87.5% Greek_Thessaly + 12.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.16
19 88.6% Greek_Thessaly + 11.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.16
20 88.9% Greek_Thessaly + 11.1% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.18

JohnnyP

06-05-2020, 12:59 PM

HX2045713

Population
North_Atlantic 22.19 Pct
Baltic 19.89 Pct
West_Med 20.33 Pct
West_Asian 11.85 Pct
East_Med 19.71 Pct
Red_Sea 4.69 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.66 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.67 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

LE8225104

Population
North_Atlantic 21.12 Pct
Baltic 18.17 Pct
West_Med 20.36 Pct
West_Asian 14.26 Pct
East_Med 20.90 Pct
Red_Sea 2.48 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.81 Pct
Siberian 0.21 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.45 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.21 Pct

AF1371357

Population
North_Atlantic 17.57 Pct
Baltic 21.70 Pct
West_Med 20.60 Pct
West_Asian 10.49 Pct
East_Med 22.34 Pct
Red_Sea 4.81 Pct
South_Asian 0.71 Pct
East_Asian 0.22 Pct
Siberian 0.09 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.47 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

JohnnyP

06-05-2020, 01:12 PM

JF8151234

Population
North_Atlantic 25.08 Pct
Baltic 22.78 Pct
West_Med 17.73 Pct
West_Asian 8.99 Pct
East_Med 21.19 Pct
Red_Sea 2.47 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.79 Pct
Siberian 0.97 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

GQ8095504

Population
North_Atlantic 18.61 Pct
Baltic 19.46 Pct
West_Med 21.25 Pct
West_Asian 11.69 Pct
East_Med 23.58 Pct
Red_Sea 2.35 Pct
South_Asian 0.75 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.32 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

JohnnyP

06-06-2020, 08:28 PM

A987004

Population
North_Atlantic 18.43 Pct
Baltic 21.63 Pct
West_Med 20.80 Pct
West_Asian 12.92 Pct
East_Med 22.29 Pct
Red_Sea 1.92 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.21 Pct
Siberian 1.36 Pct
Amerindian 0.44 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

YW6624312

Population
North_Atlantic 21.96 Pct
Baltic 19.63 Pct
West_Med 21.21 Pct
West_Asian 12.24 Pct
East_Med 21.84 Pct
Red_Sea 2.20 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.30 Pct
Amerindian 0.15 Pct
Oceanian 0.48 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

QQ2264530

Population
North_Atlantic 19.59 Pct
Baltic 20.90 Pct
West_Med 21.83 Pct
West_Asian 8.76 Pct
East_Med 24.55 Pct
Red_Sea 2.02 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.63 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.71 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

JohnnyP

06-08-2020, 02:14 PM

LM2616633 - Kriva Palanka (Northeast)

Population
North_Atlantic 20.42 Pct
Baltic 22.42 Pct
West_Med 19.55 Pct
West_Asian 13.36 Pct
East_Med 21.17 Pct
Red_Sea 2.99 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.10 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

H454541 - Skopje (North)

Population
North_Atlantic 21.40 Pct
Baltic 23.99 Pct
West_Med 18.19 Pct
West_Asian 11.77 Pct
East_Med 20.00 Pct
Red_Sea 3.03 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.35 Pct
Siberian 0.77 Pct
Amerindian 0.49 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

QC1022964

Population
North_Atlantic 20.62 Pct
Baltic 23.57 Pct
West_Med 22.11 Pct
West_Asian 8.99 Pct
East_Med 20.71 Pct
Red_Sea 2.68 Pct
South_Asian 0.15 Pct
East_Asian 0.66 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.10 Pct
Oceanian 0.40 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

PA2167821 Ohrid-Veles (Southwest-Central)

Population
North_Atlantic 22.42 Pct
Baltic 23.50 Pct
West_Med 16.43 Pct
West_Asian 8.97 Pct
East_Med 24.10 Pct
Red_Sea 2.01 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.19 Pct
Amerindian 0.20 Pct
Oceanian 0.17 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

JohnnyP

06-11-2020, 05:49 PM

ZY7388180 - West-Central

North_Atlantic 18.84 Pct
Baltic 22.12 Pct
West_Med 20.85 Pct
West_Asian 7.69 Pct
East_Med 26.17 Pct
Red_Sea 2.52 Pct
South_Asian 0.57 Pct
East_Asian 1.25 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

M234779 yDNA I2a2b - mtDNA H5

Population
North_Atlantic 21.19 Pct
Baltic 21.14 Pct
West_Med 20.76 Pct
West_Asian 11.83 Pct
East_Med 19.89 Pct
Red_Sea 3.34 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.32 Pct
Siberian 0.66 Pct
Amerindian 0.43 Pct
Oceanian 0.43 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

JohnnyP

06-27-2020, 02:46 PM

EM6815994

Population
North_Atlantic 20.69 Pct
Baltic 22.74 Pct
West_Med 19.55 Pct
West_Asian 8.65 Pct
East_Med 25.35 Pct
Red_Sea 0.91 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.90 Pct
Amerindian 0.67 Pct
Oceanian 0.30 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.24 Pct

M968385 - Bitola (Pelagonia)

Population
North_Atlantic 20.22 Pct
Baltic 21.20 Pct
West_Med 20.47 Pct
West_Asian 13.92 Pct
East_Med 19.76 Pct
Red_Sea 2.52 Pct
South_Asian 0.51 Pct
East_Asian 0.46 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.66 Pct
Oceanian 0.29 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

JohnnyP

06-28-2020, 09:04 AM

HW4801904 - Skopje

Population
North_Atlantic 23.40 Pct
Baltic 17.66 Pct
West_Med 22.46 Pct
West_Asian 10.96 Pct
East_Med 21.79 Pct
Red_Sea 0.61 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.28 Pct
Amerindian 1.39 Pct
Oceanian 0.45 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

AD9961446

Population
North_Atlantic 18.93 Pct
Baltic 17.64 Pct
West_Med 23.29 Pct
West_Asian 9.51 Pct
East_Med 26.20 Pct
Red_Sea 3.04 Pct
South_Asian 1.19 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.19 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

TG1266172 - Stip

Population
North_Atlantic 24.87 Pct
Baltic 18.40 Pct
West_Med 18.76 Pct
West_Asian 13.55 Pct
East_Med 20.15 Pct
Red_Sea 2.56 Pct

Ion Basescul

06-30-2020, 10:24 PM

From Bitola

Population
North_Atlantic 22.49 Pct
Baltic 16.13 Pct
West_Med 20.60 Pct
West_Asian 10.15 Pct
East_Med 26.07 Pct
Red_Sea 3.07 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.79 Pct
Oceanian 0.70 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Leto

06-30-2020, 10:26 PM

Ion Basescul

06-30-2020, 10:27 PM

There are plenty of actual Greeks with very similar results.

This one's not a Greek tho, unless Salai and Dimitrova are now Greek surnames.

JohnnyP

06-30-2020, 11:13 PM

JohnnyP

06-30-2020, 11:14 PM

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Lioncourt

07-01-2020, 10:50 PM

This one's not a Greek tho, unless Salai and Dimitrova are now Greek surnames.

First isn't Macedonian though, it's Hungarian.

JohnnyP

07-01-2020, 10:55 PM

First isn't Macedonian though, it's Hungarian.

Which one is Hungarian ?

Lioncourt

07-02-2020, 08:35 AM

Which one is Hungarian ?

The surname.

JohnnyP

07-02-2020, 09:08 AM

The surname.

which kit ?

Stefan559

07-02-2020, 02:28 PM

First isn't Macedonian though, it's Hungarian.

https://forebears.io/surnames/salai

Stefan559

07-02-2020, 02:39 PM

maybe he is half macedonian

Lioncourt

07-02-2020, 08:31 PM

maybe he is half macedonian

Or a woman married to foreigner.

JohnnyP

07-06-2020, 06:28 PM

ZG6329195 - Debar (West part of Macedonia)

Population
North_Atlantic 20.13 Pct
Baltic 22.49 Pct
West_Med 19.58 Pct
West_Asian 10.36 Pct
East_Med 21.48 Pct
Red_Sea 2.30 Pct
South_Asian 3.37 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.17 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.08 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Romanian @ 3.965638

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Ukrainian @ 3.054369

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++
1 Croatian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 2.979217
2 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 3.054369
3 Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + South_Italian @ 3.082968
4 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.103101
5 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 3.120334
6 Belorussian + Croatian + Iranian_Jewish + Sardinian @ 3.126331
7 East_Sicilian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 3.165303
8 Iranian_Jewish + Sardinian + South_Polish + Southwest_Russian @ 3.183768
9 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Russian_Smolensk + South_Italian @ 3.207730
10 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian @ 3.217031
11 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian @ 3.288914
12 Iranian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Sardinian + Serbian @ 3.304624
13 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + South_Italian @ 3.306320
14 East_Sicilian + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 3.307439
15 Algerian_Jewish + Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + Moldavian @ 3.314888
16 Central_Greek + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 3.317300
17 Lebanese_Druze + Sardinian + South_Polish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.318128
18 Belorussian + Iranian_Jewish + Moldavian + Sardinian @ 3.324192
19 Croatian + Iranian_Jewish + Sardinian + Southwest_Russian @ 3.331397
20 Croatian + Estonian_Polish + Iranian_Jewish + Sardinian @ 3.352479

JohnnyP

07-06-2020, 11:32 PM

EM3586684

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 24.64
2 Baltic 22.65
3 East_Med 20.35
4 West_Med 19.70
5 West_Asian 9.07
6 Red_Sea 2.06

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Romanian @ 4.622896
2 Bulgarian @ 4.692245
3 Serbian @ 8.112448
4 Greek_Thessaly @ 10.504278
5 Tuscan @ 14.375912
6 North_Italian @ 14.407321
7 Moldavian @ 15.614305
8 Italian_Abruzzo @ 17.231436
9 Hungarian @ 17.261278
10 West_Sicilian @ 18.192942
11 Croatian @ 18.340223
12 Central_Greek @ 18.550575
13 Austrian @ 19.695425
14 East_Sicilian @ 19.711952
15 Portuguese @ 20.982512
16 Ashkenazi @ 21.618111
17 French @ 21.648268
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 21.814568
19 East_German @ 22.016020
20 Spanish_Extremadura @ 22.134863

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +50% West_Sicilian @ 2.545356

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% North_Italian +25% Ukrainian @ 2.023971

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + North_Italian + Ukrainian @ 1.769662
2 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + North_Italian + South_Polish @ 1.862516
3 Bulgarian + Tuscan + Ukrainian + West_Sicilian @ 1.960574
4 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + North_Italian + South_Italian @ 1.996238
5 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Ukrainian @ 2.023971
6 Belorussian + Bulgarian + North_Italian + South_Italian @ 2.030063
7 Belorussian + Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian @ 2.041785
8 Bulgarian + East_Sicilian + North_Italian + Ukrainian @ 2.068389
9 Greek_Thessaly + Lithuanian + North_Italian + South_Italian @ 2.080697
10 Ashkenazi + North_Italian + Romanian + Ukrainian @ 2.092081
11 Bulgarian + North_Italian + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 2.101548
12 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + North_Italian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.135175
13 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + South_Polish @ 2.138948
14 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Tuscan + West_Sicilian @ 2.151795
15 Bulgarian + North_Italian + South_Italian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.155205
16 Central_Greek + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian @ 2.156239
17 Bulgarian + Croatian + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian @ 2.180981
18 Bulgarian + Italian_Jewish + North_Italian + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.193009
19 Bulgarian + Polish + Tuscan + West_Sicilian @ 2.194814
20 Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Jewish + North_Italian @ 2.199690

Done.

JohnnyP

07-10-2020, 06:09 PM

A665585

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 23.51
2 East_Med 22.25
3 West_Med 21.85
4 Baltic 17.66
5 West_Asian 11.82
6 Red_Sea 1.51

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 6.370297
2 Bulgarian @ 8.068526
3 Romanian @ 9.460483
4 Tuscan @ 9.913444
5 Italian_Abruzzo @ 11.596565
6 North_Italian @ 12.199389
7 West_Sicilian @ 12.853369
8 Central_Greek @ 13.145267
9 Serbian @ 13.922758
10 East_Sicilian @ 14.593146
11 South_Italian @ 17.366066
12 Ashkenazi @ 17.708458
13 Portuguese @ 21.041817
14 Moldavian @ 21.158644
15 Spanish_Extremadura @ 21.534006
16 Spanish_Galicia @ 22.199902
17 Spanish_Andalucia @ 22.728760
18 Spanish_Murcia @ 22.848263
19 Hungarian @ 22.905235
20 Spanish_Cataluna @ 22.965687

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Tuscan @ 2.726241

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% Central_Greek +25% North_Italian @ 2.058911

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Central_Greek + North_Italian @ 2.058911
2 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + North_Italian + Romanian @ 2.217716
3 Bulgarian + North_Italian + Romanian + South_Italian @ 2.322589
4 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + North_Italian + South_Italian @ 2.380075
5 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + North_Italian @ 2.380518
6 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + East_Sicilian + North_Italian @ 2.482324
7 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian @ 2.544276
8 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + North_Italian + West_Sicilian @ 2.558881
9 North_Italian + Romanian + Romanian + South_Italian @ 2.586794
10 Bulgarian + East_Sicilian + North_Italian + Romanian @ 2.603402
11 Bulgarian + North_Italian + Serbian + South_Italian @ 2.609519
12 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + Romanian @ 2.617610
13 Central_Greek + Central_Greek + Croatian + North_Italian @ 2.635108
14 Bulgarian + Cyprian + Romanian + Southwest_French @ 2.647014
15 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Cyprian + Southwest_French @ 2.700687
16 Greek_Thessaly + Moldavian + North_Italian + South_Italian @ 2.700736
17 Central_Greek + North_Italian + Romanian + Romanian @ 2.702056
18 Central_Greek + North_Italian + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 2.708654
19 North_Italian + South_Italian + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 2.725393
20 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Tuscan + Tuscan @ 2.726241

Done.

JohnnyP

08-01-2020, 09:46 PM

GC6626792 - West part of Macedonia

Population
North_Atlantic 23.03 Pct
Baltic 21.80 Pct
West_Med 19.18 Pct
West_Asian 9.18 Pct
East_Med 22.18 Pct
Red_Sea 1.59 Pct
South_Asian 0.78 Pct
East_Asian 2.17 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.08 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

JohnnyP

08-03-2020, 02:11 PM

Kit ZH8122320 - West/Southwest

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.73
2 West_Med 21.32
3 North_Atlantic 21.29
4 Baltic 19.31
5 West_Asian 11.33
6 Red_Sea 2.49
7 East_Asian 1.31
8 Oceanian 1.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.25
2 Bulgarian 5.66
3 Romanian 7.56
4 Tuscan 10.73
5 Italian_Abruzzo 11.49
6 Serbian 11.52
7 Central_Greek 11.8
8 West_Sicilian 12.42
9 North_Italian 12.68
10 East_Sicilian 13.11
11 Ashkenazi 15.41
12 South_Italian 15.91
13 Moldavian 17.32
14 Hungarian 19.72
15 Portuguese 19.9
16 Croatian 20.21
17 Spanish_Extremadura 20.48
18 Spanish_Galicia 20.73
19 Algerian_Jewish 21.52
20 Italian_Jewish 21.56

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.6% Bulgarian + 29.4% West_Sicilian @ 2.54
2 67.9% Bulgarian + 32.1% Tuscan @ 2.85
3 87.2% Bulgarian + 12.8% Sardinian @ 2.91
4 72% Greek_Thessaly + 28% Serbian @ 2.96
5 52.7% Greek_Thessaly + 47.3% Bulgarian @ 3
6 61.7% Greek_Thessaly + 38.3% Romanian @ 3
7 84.5% Greek_Thessaly + 15.5% East_German @ 3
8 82.4% Greek_Thessaly + 17.6% Croatian @ 3.04
9 56.1% South_Italian + 43.9% Croatian @ 3.04
10 83.4% Greek_Thessaly + 16.6% Austrian @ 3.07
11 80.1% Greek_Thessaly + 19.9% Moldavian @ 3.09
12 76.8% Bulgarian + 23.2% South_Italian @ 3.12
13 86.7% Greek_Thessaly + 13.3% South_Polish @ 3.15
14 58.7% West_Sicilian + 41.3% Moldavian @ 3.18
15 82.3% Greek_Thessaly + 17.7% Hungarian @ 3.18
16 86.9% Greek_Thessaly + 13.1% Ukrainian @ 3.18
17 86.5% Greek_Thessaly + 13.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.21
18 64.1% South_Italian + 35.9% Ukrainian @ 3.22
19 88.2% Greek_Thessaly + 11.8% Polish @ 3.24
20 63.8% Central_Greek + 36.2% Croatian @

JohnnyP

08-03-2020, 09:56 PM

Kit SB5534115

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 24.95
2 East_Med 23.42
3 Baltic 18.23
4 West_Med 16.98
5 West_Asian 11.13
6 Red_Sea 2.32
7 Amerindian 1.29
8 East_Asian 0.65
9 Siberian 0.42
10 Northeast_African 0.3
11 South_Asian 0.24
12 Sub-Saharan 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 6.68
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.82
3 Romanian 7.3
4 Tuscan 10.3
5 Italian_Abruzzo 10.87
6 Serbian 10.88
7 North_Italian 12.44
8 West_Sicilian 12.55
9 Central_Greek 12.71
10 East_Sicilian 13.77
11 Ashkenazi 15.14
12 South_Italian 16.39
13 Moldavian 17.76
14 Hungarian 18.38
15 Portuguese 18.97
16 Spanish_Extremadura 19.78
17 French 19.88
18 Spanish_Galicia 20.13
19 Austrian 20.16
20 Croatian 20.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.9% South_Italian + 47.1% Hungarian @ 2.35
2 53.9% Hungarian + 46.1% Italian_Jewish @ 2.67
3 67.8% South_Italian + 32.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.75
4 78.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 21.9% Estonian @ 2.8
5 76.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 23.8% Belorussian @ 2.88
6 83.7% Greek_Thessaly + 16.3% Norwegian @ 2.88
7 72.1% Central_Greek + 27.9% North_Swedish @ 2.89
8 82.7% Greek_Thessaly + 17.3% Danish @ 2.9
9 57.3% Ashkenazi + 42.7% Austrian @ 2.9
10 81.6% Greek_Thessaly + 18.4% North_German @ 2.92
11 50% Serbian + 50% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.92
12 72% Italian_Abruzzo + 28% South_Polish @ 2.96
13 82.9% Greek_Thessaly + 17.1% North_Dutch @ 2.96
14 76.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 23.9% Estonian_Polish @ 3
15 54% Hungarian + 46% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3
16 83.6% Greek_Thessaly + 16.4% Swedish @ 3.02
17 61.1% Romanian + 38.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.04
18 63.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 36.5% Hungarian @ 3.05
19 59.5% Central_Greek + 40.5% Hungarian @ 3.05
20 78.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 21.4% Lithuanian @ 3.07

JohnnyP

08-03-2020, 11:11 PM

A062184 - Skopje

Population
North_Atlantic 23.71 Pct
Baltic 22.51 Pct
West_Med 19.49 Pct
West_Asian 10.87 Pct
East_Med 17.04 Pct
Red_Sea 4.23 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.16 Pct
Siberian 1.06 Pct
Amerindian 0.07 Pct
Oceanian 0.28 Pct
Northeast_African 0.06 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.53 Pct

KP9880810 - Sveti Nikole

Population
North_Atlantic 24.55 Pct
Baltic 22.24 Pct
West_Med 18.00 Pct
West_Asian 10.02 Pct
East_Med 20.05 Pct
Red_Sea 3.37 Pct
South_Asian 0.47 Pct
East_Asian 0.30 Pct
Siberian 0.14 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.50 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.36 Pct

JohnnyP

09-27-2020, 07:02 PM

Average for Macedonians from 75 samples - K13 Eurogenes with regions.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1845r1Ro5UjV2fVFxVOIHVZ0fE02SE1vv/view?usp=sharing

With Average on Vahaduo

Distance to: MacedonianMyAverage
1.73346474 MMacedonian
1.94304690 North_Macedonian
3.00041664 Macedonian_Southeast2
3.21510497 Macedonian_East
3.41130474 Vlach_North-Macedonia
3.62962808 Macedonian_North
3.64760195 Macedonian_Northwest
3.70043241 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
3.86619968 Pomak_Nevrokopi
4.21188794 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
4.31387297 Macedonian_Central
4.42507627 Albanian_Kosovo
4.59886943 Albanian_Macedonia
4.71731915 Romania_Wallachia
4.81940868 Bosniak_Sandzak
5.04476957 Albanian_Montenegro
5.14064198 Moldova_South
5.26595670 Albanian
5.28017045 Greek_Northern-Thrace
5.36556614 Albanian_north_Albania
5.36986964 Romania_Oltenia
5.41185735 Macedonian_Southwest
5.54009928 Greek_Central-Macedonia
5.62357538 Romania_Banat
5.63726884 Macedonian_Southeast

Target: MacedonianMyAverage
Distance: 0.7752% / 0.77516902 | ADC: 1x
56.8 MMacedonian
43.2 North_Macedonian

vbnetkhio

09-27-2020, 07:15 PM

JohnnyP

09-27-2020, 11:46 PM

could you make averages for each region? i can't open the link.

Yeah, here are averages
https://i.imgur.com/niDLyb6.jpg

And average from 75 samples
MacedonianAverage,22.05,21.67,19.63,11.02,21.15,2. 51,0.26,0.40,0.48,0.29,0.42,0.05,0.07

Regions
https://i.imgur.com/XVxpicy.jpg

Vojnik

09-28-2020, 06:59 AM

Very Homogeneous^.

JohnnyP

09-28-2020, 09:37 PM

All results;
https://i.imgur.com/0PwcrTe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/FKKgxqx.jpg

JohnnyP

09-29-2020, 03:17 AM

K13 Eurogenes Coordinates for Averages with correction for Macedonian Southeast and Average.

MacedonianGreeceNorthWest,23.07,20.97,20.1,9.97,22 .17,2.2 4,0.15,0.22,0.3,0.44,0.25,0.02,0.09
MacedonianSouthEast,22.37,20.26,20.59,10.92,21.04, 3.11,0.00,0.33,0.48,0.37,0.44,0.1,0.05
MacedonianPelagonia,21.81,20.73,20.08,11.49,20.85, 3.31,0.2,0.35,0.47,0.14,0.47,0.31,0.08
MacedonianWest,22.19,20.84,19.84,10.58,21.61,2.23, 1.12,0.87,0.04,0.00,0.66,0.00,0.00
MacedonianSouthWest,20.8,20.55,20.28,11.37,21.29,3 .3,0.55,0.77,0.3,0.33,0.41,0.03,0.00
MacedonianEast,22.82,21.64,19.6,11.18,21.02,2.13,0 .09,0.46,0.61,0.05,0.25,0.00,0.16
MacedonianNorth,22.45,22.91,19.21,10.67,19.84,2.68 ,0.3,0.19,0.68,0.47,0.4,0.06,0.12
MacedonianCentral,22.06,21.78,19.54,11.45,21.5,1.4 2,0.1,0.39,0.92,0.33,0.4,0.08,0.03
MacedonianNorthWest,23.78,22.58,19.06,10.84,21.76, 2.16,0.25,0.19,0.44,0.29,0.57,0.00,0.08
MacedonianNorthEast,21.02,22.9,19.65,10.79,22.57,1 .97,0.00,0.57,0.00,0.28,0.24,0.00,0.00
MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE,22.14,21.76,19.68,10.90,21.19,2 .43,0.22,0.39,0.48,0.28,0.40,0.05,0.07

Crn Volk

09-30-2020, 04:29 AM

How'd you get these?

With ancient Macedonian genes

JohnnyP

09-30-2020, 11:11 AM

I mean like how did he get these samples :picard1:

Gedmatch and Macedonian forum :D

JohnnyP

10-10-2020, 06:03 PM

My averages on K13 Eurogenes without Macedonian references with ADC:2x.

Target: MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE
Distance: 2.0720% / 2.07200054 | ADC: 2x
45.8 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
37.0 Vlach_avg
17.2 Bulgaria_Southcentral

Target: MacedonianCentral
Distance: 2.1370% / 2.13703716 | ADC: 2x
41.8 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
35.4 Vlach_avg
22.8 Bulgaria_Southcentral

Target: MacedonianSouthWest
Distance: 2.0258% / 2.02578380 | ADC: 2x
58.8 Vlach_avg
41.2 Vlach(Aromanian)_average

Target: MacedonianWest
Distance: 2.5402% / 2.54023621 | ADC: 2x
57.8 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
42.2 Vlach_avg

Target: MacedonianPelagonia
Distance: 1.1537% / 1.15369974 | ADC: 2x
55.4 Vlach_North-Macedonia
24.4 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
20.2 Vlach_avg

Target: MacedonianSouthEast
Distance: 1.7953% / 1.79528041 | ADC: 2x
71.0 Vlach_North-Macedonia
15.0 Vlach_avg
14.0 Vlach(Aromanian)_average

Target: MacedonianGreeceNorthWest
Distance: 2.5984% / 2.59839511 | ADC: 2x
40.4 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
30.4 Vlach_avg
29.2 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central

Target: MacedonianNorthEast
Distance: 1.4213% / 1.42133154 | ADC: 2x
41.4 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
41.0 Bulgaria_Southcentral
9.8 Vlach_avg
7.8 Vlach(Aromanian)_average

Target: MacedonianNorthWest
Distance: 3.0127% / 3.01267293 | ADC: 2x
74.2 Bulgaria_Southcentral
16.2 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
9.6 Vlach_avg

Target: MacedonianNorth
Distance: 2.0351% / 2.03514703 | ADC: 2x
74.6 Bulgaria_Southcentral
25.4 Bulgaria_Southwestern

Target: MacedonianEast
Distance: 2.3821% / 2.38206127 | ADC: 2x
41.2 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
35.8 Vlach_avg
23.0 Bulgaria_Southcentral

JohnnyP

10-11-2020, 04:09 PM

A936984 - Prilep / Pelagonia

Population
North_Atlantic 22.94 Pct
Baltic 22.32 Pct
West_Med 19.58 Pct
West_Asian 10.75 Pct
East_Med 21.33 Pct
Red_Sea 1.46 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.18 Pct
Amerindian 1.28 Pct
Oceanian 0.15 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

JohnnyP

10-11-2020, 11:52 PM

FS2160700 - ydna J1

Population
North_Atlantic 23.56 Pct
Baltic 21.69 Pct
West_Med 18.19 Pct
West_Asian 8.87 Pct
East_Med 22.83 Pct
Red_Sea 2.85 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.79 Pct
Oceanian 1.09 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.13 Pct

Distance to: FS2160700
3.31262736 Macedonian_East
4.17442212 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
4.85335966 Macedonian
4.95768091 Albanian_Macedonia
5.11478250 Bulgaria_Southcentral
5.11738214 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
5.48177891 Bulgaria_average
5.51452627 Macedonian_Northwest
5.57308712 Romania_Dobruja
5.70432292 Bulgaria_Southwestern
5.70568138 Macedonian_North
5.71935311 Vlach_North-Macedonia
5.81407774 Bulgaria_Northcentral
6.00047498 Pomak_Nevrokopi
6.01607015 Bosniak_Sandzak
6.04636254 Romania_Muntenia
6.07147429 Bulgaria_Northeastern
6.10783923 Albanian_Kosovo
6.11351781 Albanian_Montenegro
6.21886646 Romania_Wallachia
6.22617860 Albanian_north_Albania
6.31088742 Albanian
6.37654295 Bulgaria_Northwestern
6.48023919 Pomak_Plovdiv
6.50597418 Torbesh_average

BJ5418586

Population
North_Atlantic 24.57 Pct
Baltic 20.39 Pct
West_Med 23.71 Pct
West_Asian 11.77 Pct
East_Med 15.85 Pct
Red_Sea 2.44 Pct
South_Asian 1.27 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Target: BJ5418586
Distance: 2.1701% / 2.17009626 | ADC: 0.25x
54.8 Macedonian_Central
23.4 Vlach_North-Macedonia
15.4 Southwest_French
4.2 French_Basque
2.2 Kalash

Distance to: BJ5418586
6.31097457 Vlach_North-Macedonia
6.77374343 Macedonian_Northwest
7.00143557 Bosniak_Sandzak
7.30664766 Albanian_Kosovo
7.74589569 Macedonian
7.76403890 Bulgaria_Southwestern
7.94200856 Romania_Oltenia
8.10307349 Bulgaria_Northeastern
8.14064494 Montenegrin
8.16521280 Romania_Wallachia
8.18363611 Macedonian_Central
8.37314158 Macedonian_East
8.45593874 Bulgaria_average
8.47595422 Macedonian_North
8.55057308 Romania_Muntenia
8.64170122 Moldova_South
8.68544760 Romania_Banat
8.71460842 Bulgaria_Southcentral
8.73686443 Romania_Transylvania
8.74300292 Romania_Dobruja
8.75607789 Bulgaria_Southeastern
8.86940246 Albanian_north_Albania
8.97937637 Romania_average
9.01148157 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
9.01509845 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central

CU6984914

Population
North_Atlantic 22.33 Pct
Baltic 21.47 Pct
West_Med 20.47 Pct
West_Asian 8.54 Pct
East_Med 21.37 Pct
Red_Sea 3.51 Pct
South_Asian 1.70 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.63 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: CU6984914
3.70095934 Macedonian_East
4.03138934 Macedonian
4.31666538 Macedonian_North
4.43578629 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
4.62670509 Albanian_Macedonia
4.65639345 Vlach_North-Macedonia
4.72014830 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
5.01601435 Macedonian_Northwest
5.16710751 Bulgaria_Southcentral
5.28489357 Albanian_north_Albania
5.29334488 Albanian_Kosovo
5.58038529 Romania_Dobruja
5.58369949 Bulgaria_average
5.72254314 Torbesh_average
5.73327132 Macedonian_Southwest
5.76710499 Albanian
5.78504105 Bulgaria_Southwestern
5.88090979 Bosniak_Sandzak
6.03858427 Bulgaria_Northcentral
6.07903775 Romania_Muntenia
6.14245065 Albanian_Montenegro
6.22828227 Romania_Wallachia
6.34451732 Macedonian_Central

JohnnyP

10-12-2020, 04:22 PM

EH1529563 - Macedonian from Delcevo (East) y-dna (J-M67)

Population
North_Atlantic 22.47 Pct
Baltic 23.76 Pct
West_Med 22.81 Pct
West_Asian 11.55 Pct
East_Med 17.68 Pct
Red_Sea 0.65 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.05 Pct
Siberian 0.16 Pct
Amerindian 0.72 Pct
Oceanian 0.15 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Plus MyTrueAncestry :D

https://i.imgur.com/gOyrzv7.jpg

JohnnyP

10-14-2020, 10:04 AM

CR7927670 - Demir Hisar (Pelagonia)

Population
North_Atlantic 23.22 Pct
Baltic 19.51 Pct
West_Med 19.62 Pct
West_Asian 11.94 Pct
East_Med 22.30 Pct
Red_Sea 2.37 Pct
South_Asian 0.78 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.25 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: CR7927670
2.55865199 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
2.69814751 Albanian_Kosovo
3.60383129 Albanian_Montenegro
3.85129848 Vlach_North-Macedonia
3.87133052 Albanian
3.88786574 Albanian_Macedonia
3.92583749 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
3.96763154 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
4.16064899 Albanian_north_Albania
4.40159062 Torbesh_average
4.42804697 Macedonian
4.46138151 Greek_Thessaly
4.84739105 Macedonian_East
4.85089682 Albanian_Albania
4.94159893 Bulgaria_Southeastern
4.99520770 Bulgaria_Northeastern
5.18734036 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
5.19245607 Greek_Northeast
5.24207020 Macedonian_Southeast
5.41129375 Bulgaria_Southcentral
5.45343011 Albanian_south_Albania
5.54775630 Greek_Central_Macedonia
5.60167832 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia

+MyTrueAncestry :D

https://i.imgur.com/3a6FU9o.jpg

Stefan559

10-14-2020, 09:34 PM

From which village in Demir Hisar region?

pulstar

10-14-2020, 09:52 PM

I wonder what do Southwestern Macedonians scores look like

JohnnyP

10-15-2020, 12:50 AM

I wonder what do Southwestern Macedonians scores look like

In fact same like West/Central/East/Southeast regions, Hardcore balkanic look also West Med looking people, Kumanovo have mixed atleast 30% with Serbs so there can appear a guys which look Serbian and maybe in Skopje, but all another regions your guess would be Albanian.

JohnnyP

10-26-2020, 12:45 AM

DW5285112 - Macedonian from Southwest Bulgaria (PIRIN region of Macedonia)

Population
North_Atlantic 22.95 Pct
Baltic 22.58 Pct
West_Med 19.15 Pct
West_Asian 8.26 Pct
East_Med 19.21 Pct
Red_Sea 5.11 Pct
South_Asian 1.61 Pct
East_Asian 0.07 Pct
Siberian 0.20 Pct
Amerindian 0.49 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.36 Pct

+ MyTrueAncestry

https://i.imgur.com/QDez5kH.jpg

JohnnyP

10-26-2020, 10:17 PM

LR1408660 - Macedonian from Berovo (East) - E-V13

Population
North_Atlantic 24.71 Pct
Baltic 21.04 Pct
West_Med 21.12 Pct
West_Asian 10.44 Pct
East_Med 17.00 Pct
Red_Sea 3.64 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.31 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.74 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

HC6365673 - Prespa (Southwest)

Population
North_Atlantic 21.84 Pct
Baltic 20.55 Pct
West_Med 19.69 Pct
West_Asian 11.57 Pct
East_Med 23.63 Pct
Red_Sea 1.25 Pct
South_Asian 0.81 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.37 Pct
Oceanian 0.16 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.13 Pct

JH3285966 - Prespa (Southwest)

Population
North_Atlantic 21.34 Pct
Baltic 20.36 Pct
West_Med 21.95 Pct
West_Asian 10.17 Pct
East_Med 23.20 Pct
Red_Sea 1.56 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.07 Pct
Amerindian 0.75 Pct
Oceanian 0.29 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.30 Pct

T663642 - Macedonian from Village Umlena (East)

Population
North_Atlantic 20.88 Pct
Baltic 20.14 Pct
West_Med 22.33 Pct
West_Asian 11.74 Pct
East_Med 18.84 Pct
Red_Sea 3.38 Pct
South_Asian 0.65 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.37 Pct
Amerindian 0.31 Pct
Oceanian 0.35 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

JohnnyP

10-30-2020, 11:43 PM

deleted

JohnnyP

10-30-2020, 11:48 PM

GX5345481 - Macedonian from Ohrid ( Southwest )

Population
North_Atlantic 21.61 Pct
Baltic 22.64 Pct
West_Med 21.87 Pct
West_Asian 11.04 Pct
East_Med 22.11 Pct
Red_Sea 0.09 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.08 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.55 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Target: GX5345481
Distance: 1.2714% / 1.27138362
46.6 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
35.4 Greek_Northern-Thrace
10.4 South_Polish
6.6 Sardinia
1.0 Georgian_imereti

Distance to: GX5345481
2.66598950 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
3.10779665 MacedonianNorthEast
3.11231425 MacedonianCentral
3.55834231 MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE
3.68849563 MacedonianEast
3.77303591 MacedonianGreeceNorthWest
3.84233002 MacedonianWest
4.16834500 MacedonianNorthWest
4.31167021 MacedonianSouthEast
4.41517837 MacedonianPelagonia
4.43969594 MacedonianSouthWest
4.51469822 Greek_Northern-Thrace
4.53866721 MacedonianNorth
4.90268294 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
5.11166313 Bulgaria_Southcentral
5.42138359 Albanian_Kosovo
5.45073390 Albanian_Macedonia
5.67586117 Albanian_north_Albania
5.68608829 Bulgaria_average
5.79095847 Torbesh_average
5.80147395 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
5.83976027 Bulgaria_Southeastern
5.84846989 Romania_Dobruja
5.86856030 Albanian

JohnnyP

11-07-2020, 03:42 PM

M517367

Population
North_Atlantic 23.34 Pct
Baltic 19.96 Pct
West_Med 20.68 Pct
West_Asian 12.16 Pct
East_Med 20.73 Pct
Red_Sea 1.73 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.27 Pct
Amerindian 0.07 Pct
Oceanian 1.05 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

JohnnyP

11-15-2020, 06:31 PM

LS9120843
https://i.imgur.com/0SxlpX4.jpg

DJ2972615
https://i.imgur.com/zgKibp3.jpg

JohnnyP

11-19-2020, 05:38 PM

TL2574441
https://i.imgur.com/a6MWWF0.png

SH6005971
https://i.imgur.com/tXOZ8we.jpg

CE8882696 - Father(Southwest) / Mother (Northeast)
https://i.imgur.com/Q5jksyi.jpg

ED9030366 - Skopje (North)
https://i.imgur.com/zWXJDGe.jpg

GC6626792 - West
https://i.imgur.com/84ftOYB.jpg

JohnnyP

11-21-2020, 01:56 PM

PA7631235 - Veles(Central)-Ohrid(Southwest)
https://i.imgur.com/KdTuFCR.jpg

Leto

11-21-2020, 02:36 PM

JohnnyP

11-21-2020, 02:41 PM

In many if not most North Macedonians North Atlantic seems to be just as high or even higher than Baltic. I wonder why because East Slavs are usually below 30% North Atlantic but nearly always over 40% Baltic, sometimes even 50%.

But why you comparing East Slavs with Macedonians ? :D
That would be Celtic, which is present from ancient time on Balkans.

Leto

11-21-2020, 03:02 PM

But why you comparing East Slavs with Macedonians ? :D
Because that's where the Early Slavs came from.

JohnnyP

11-21-2020, 03:13 PM

Because that's where the Early Slavs came from.

So there were some tribes which were settled in this territory , that doesn;t mean we need to have their genetics? :D

Btw: We are not Early Slavs and please i dont want to ruin my thread with some Chinese stories, i want this thread to be focused only on Macedonian gedmatch results not slavs, Thanks!

Leto

11-21-2020, 03:51 PM

So there were some tribes which were settled in this territory , that doesn;t mean we need to have their genetics? :D

Btw: We are not Early Slavs and please i dont want to ruin my thread with some Chinese stories, i want this thread to be focused only on Macedonian gedmatch results not slavs, Thanks!
So you're outright denying Slavic ancestry. I see.

Sure, I won't be ruining anything.

JohnnyP

11-21-2020, 04:12 PM

So you're outright denying Slavic ancestry. I see.

Sure, I won't be ruining anything.

You have confused something man,in general Macedonians dont have slavic ancestry, we are culturally and linguistically Slavic (Because We are creators of your language) not Genetically,we have some admixture like whole Europe but ancestry no,even that admixture is nothing much.

Leto

11-21-2020, 04:19 PM

You have confused something man,in general Macedonians dont have slavic ancestry, we are culturally and linguistically Slavic (Because We are creators of your language) not Genetically,we have some admixture like whole Europe but ancestry no,even that admixture is nothing much.
My language? Lol. Your country didn't exist before WW2. I disagree with you. You guys probably don't like the Russians and hence don't wanna be associated with them. Or you just score too little Northeastern European and generally don't look like proper Slavs, so you need to claim something else. If you don't like us, then drop the fucking Slavic dialect you speak and adopt Greek or maybe Albanian.

Varda

11-21-2020, 04:22 PM

My language? Lol. Your country didn't exist before WW2. I disagree with you. You guys probably don't like the Russians and hence don't wanna be associated with them. Or you just score too little Northeastern European and generally don't look like proper Slavs, so you need to claim something else. If you don't like us, then drop the fucking Slavic dialect you speak and adopt Greek or maybe Albanian.

You are right. North Macedonia in present day borders, Macedonian ethnicity and language are created by communists in 1945.

Linguistically Macedonian language is a bridge between Serbian and Bulgarian.

JohnnyP

11-21-2020, 04:26 PM

HU7020765
https://i.imgur.com/NIjqYv9.jpg

vbnetkhio

11-21-2020, 04:38 PM

In many if not most North Macedonians North Atlantic seems to be just as high or even higher than Baltic. I wonder why because East Slavs are usually below 30% North Atlantic but nearly always over 40% Baltic, sometimes even 50%.

pre-Slavic Balkanians had around 20 NA and 10 Baltic,, so with Slavic admixture Baltic grows a lot and NA stays around the same.

JohnnyP

11-21-2020, 04:46 PM

pre-Slavic Balkanians had around 20 NA and 10 Baltic,, so with Slavic admixture Baltic grows a lot and NA stays around the same.
...
Yeapp, Early Bronze age Bulgarian sample have around 22% Baltic and 30 NA, "Illyrian" samples have 12-13% Baltic and NA 30-33%.

vbnetkhio

11-21-2020, 04:55 PM

...
Yeapp, Early Bronze age Bulgarian sample have around 22% Baltic and 30 NA, "Illyrian" samples have 12-13% Baltic and NA 30-33%.

that's all great, but by the time Slavs arrived, Balkanians weren't like that anymore.

JohnnyP

11-21-2020, 07:33 PM

T847009
https://i.imgur.com/Wyihdf1.jpg

JohnnyP

12-01-2020, 11:07 PM

SA4834840
https://i.imgur.com/VbWibaW.png

Lucas

12-01-2020, 11:10 PM

Some new SE or NE Macedonian kits?

JohnnyP

12-01-2020, 11:27 PM

Some new SE or NE Macedonian kits?

You think exactly about this kit? This kit is the mother from Southwest (Prespa) - father from Northeast (Probishtip), so it will be middle :D

JohnnyP

12-12-2020, 04:49 PM

RW2409609 - Kavadarci (Central part)

https://i.imgur.com/u1qkvSH.png

JohnnyP

12-13-2020, 03:13 PM

FULL MACEDONIANS from Skopje (North).

Note: I'm posting only Full Macedonians from Skopje and Kumanovo (Not mixed ones with Serbs and Bosnians) because in those cities is a certain percentage of mixed Macedonians with Serbs,

https://i.imgur.com/SLQvu7i.png

https://i.imgur.com/4m3SDZm.png

https://i.imgur.com/CE5a6XS.png

https://i.imgur.com/rMA3GcN.png

https://i.imgur.com/qwczBV4.png

JohnnyP

12-22-2020, 11:29 PM

Macedonian from Pelagonia ( E1b1b1a1b )
https://i.imgur.com/YfJOqFt.png

+MyTrueAncestry

https://i.imgur.com/yefFlaG.png

Ion Basescul

12-22-2020, 11:47 PM

Macedonian from Pelagonia ( E1b1b1a1b )
https://i.imgur.com/YfJOqFt.png

Is this the highest West Asian value so far?

JohnnyP

12-22-2020, 11:50 PM

Is this the highest West Asian value so far?

Its seems yea, there are few more with same West Asian , but in general not normal :D

Lucas

12-27-2020, 09:31 AM

I have a feeling more Macedonians that Poles (from Poland not US) test themselves:)

JohnnyP

12-27-2020, 05:27 PM

Macedonian (Half from Ohrid - half from Skopje), results from DNA Genetics Admixture Studio (K13 Eurogenes) + MyTrueAncestry. (Without Gedmatch kit)
https://i.imgur.com/BqCYQum.png

JohnnyP

01-01-2021, 06:32 PM

Macedonian from Pelagonia
https://i.imgur.com/O7xHPnT.png

JohnnyP

01-03-2021, 09:37 PM

yDNA I2a2b
https://i.imgur.com/3w5bqc2.jpg

JohnnyP

01-10-2021, 03:58 PM

Macedonian from Veles(Central)

https://i.imgur.com/eO3ROPd.png

JohnnyP

01-11-2021, 11:08 PM

K15 pca for 25 Macedonians from different regions + Ancient Balkans.
https://i.imgur.com/kQ9QpkF.jpg

JohnnyP

01-17-2021, 08:56 PM

Macedonian from Skopje

https://i.imgur.com/wXqxF2V.png

Macedonian from Tetovo

https://i.imgur.com/hVXG9RL.png

Macedonian from Bitola

https://i.imgur.com/SkZgTx1.png

Macedonian from Bitola

https://i.imgur.com/RICcCyZ.png

Macedonian from Bitola

https://i.imgur.com/SwJ5ODL.png

Macedonian

https://i.imgur.com/hxqJCvu.png

Macedonian from Skopje

https://i.imgur.com/4hmgkBB.png

Macedonian from Skopje

https://i.imgur.com/Rbj8VKk.png

Macedonian - I2a2 mtDna J1c

https://i.imgur.com/NshQV5T.png

Macedonian - EV-13

https://i.imgur.com/QcxErcB.png

Macedonian - R1b-Z156

https://i.imgur.com/15MmTBC.png

JohnnyP

01-28-2021, 03:09 PM

Full Macedonian from Krusevo with the weird results :D
R1b
https://i.imgur.com/Zyjoa2C.png

JohnnyP

01-31-2021, 05:50 PM

Macedonian from around Krushevo mtDNA R1a ydna R1b
https://i.imgur.com/zQjMOyb.png

JohnnyP

01-31-2021, 11:50 PM

https://i.imgur.com/DEbXLHQ.png

JohnnyP

02-01-2021, 11:55 AM

Macedonian mtDNA J1c2 yDNA J-M67
https://i.imgur.com/Hs1lUjP.png

Macedonian from Veles
https://i.imgur.com/vD3GWZe.png

JohnnyP

02-07-2021, 08:44 PM

So far by now I collected 11 Macedonians from different regions with G25 coordinates, this thread is for Gedmatch but I will post them all.
Modern Individuals top 10 closest ;

Distance to: Macedonian-Kumanovo
0.02500761 Bulgarian:BulgarianH2
0.02791903 Albanian:AL82
0.03347176 Greek_Macedonia:680
0.03355795 Italian_Veneto:ALP322
0.03362627 Italian_Northeast:KF2700960
0.03438258 Italian_Northeast:ALP233
0.03496871 Albanian:ALB230
0.03533859 Italian_Veneto:ALP249
0.03879563 Greek_Macedonia:674
0.03924896 Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE144

Distance to: Macedonian-Southeast - EV-13
0.02199125 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.02324534 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02429383 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP17
0.02612429 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34
0.02731178 Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.02819070 Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
0.02823234 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP3
0.02870271 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8
0.02898198 Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02951507 Greek_Macedonia:675

Distance to: Macedonian-Bitola - I-M423
0.02236790 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02287754 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.02576781 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8
0.02641045 Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02666057 Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.02816290 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP17
0.02996837 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34
0.03017807 Albanian:ALB202
0.03029879 Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
0.03056947 Greek_Macedonia:676

Distance to: Macedonian-Tetovo - J2-L70 (J2-L397, J2-L398)
0.02240248 Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.02466863 Albanian:ALB191
0.02593864 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02609071 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.02728819 Albanian:ALB202
0.02913161 Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02923675 Albanian:ALB213
0.03011488 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP17
0.03040789 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP3
0.03043561 Greek_Macedonia:676

Distance to: Macedonian-Delcevo - J-M67
0.02456493 Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02729697 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02805270 Italian_Northeast:ALP435
0.03117547 Italian_Northeast:KF1803129
0.03166809 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8
0.03185386 Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.03214896 Italian_Northeast:KF2700960
0.03224957 Italian_Northeast:KF2700922
0.03266696 Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.03280903 Albanian:AL82

Distance to: Macedonian-Berovo - EV-13
0.02066613 Bulgarian:Bulgaria1
0.02273661 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.02480379 Italian_Northeast:KF2700922
0.02834046 Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02861006 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34
0.03071594 Greek_Macedonia:676
0.03116215 Italian_Veneto:KF1803105
0.03151963 Italian_Veneto:ALP378
0.03162103 Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.03165197 Italian_Northeast:ALP235

Distance to: Macedonian-Veles EV-13
0.02542877 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02793026 Albanian:ALB202
0.03282740 Greek_Macedonia:676
0.03317284 Albanian:ALB191
0.03320601 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP11
0.03371500 Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
0.03422162 Albanian:ALB213
0.03459169 Albanian:AL82
0.03511173 Bulgarian:Bulgaria1

Distance to: Macedonian-Krushevo R1b
0.02727490 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02825498 Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02927076 Italian_Northeast:ALP435
0.02965590 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.02971717 Italian_Northeast:KF2700960
0.02977825 Bulgarian:BulgarianF2
0.03010119 Italian_Northeast:ALP093
0.03021665 Italian_Veneto:ALP273
0.03103173 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8
0.03103909 Italian_Northeast:ALP233

Distance to: Macedonian-Kavadarci
0.01837921 Albanian:AL82
0.01884153 Greek_Macedonia:680
0.01989849 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP11
0.02151955 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02260426 Bulgarian:BulgarianH2
0.02366826 Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
0.02465237 Greek_Macedonia:674
0.02481752 Albanian:ALB230
0.02528436 Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE144
0.02637372 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8

Distance to: Macedonian-Prilep/Ohrid
0.02393792 Albanian:AL82
0.02688952 Bulgarian:BulgarianH2
0.02797786 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02863611 Italian_Veneto:ALP322
0.02879062 Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE144
0.02970686 Greek_Macedonia:686
0.03071383 Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
0.03102799 Greek_Macedonia:680
0.03109042 Italian_Northeast:ALP233
0.03120635 Albanian:ALB230

Distance to: Macedonian-Skopje/Veles
0.02292897 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP11
0.02596873 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02722301 Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02956163 Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
0.02972727 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8
0.03016975 Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE126
0.03056364 Greek_Macedonia:675
0.03192355 Albanian:ALB191
0.03218571 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.03225915 Italian_Piedmont:Piedmont154

I also put them at G25 Iron Age Calculator by (Michael13141) just I added for reference Balkans_IA + HRV_IA, so Balkans_IA are BGR_IA & HRV_IA and I made Nordic and Celtic(England_IA) in one reference.

https://i.imgur.com/5QdVDfj.png

JohnnyP

02-07-2021, 09:22 PM

Ancients top5

Distance to: Macedonian-Kumanovo
0.04209663 ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.04552139 GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.04720459 ITA_Rome_MA
0.04804745 HUN_Avar_Period
0.05283887 Scythian_MDA

Distance to: Macedonian:Southeast
0.03903125 ITA_Rome_MA
0.03947483 Scythian_MDA
0.04107087 GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.04415129 HRV_MBA
0.04498245 VK2020_ITA_Foggia_MA

Distance to: Macedonian:Bitola
0.03571115 GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.03866821 Scythian_MDA
0.04138008 ITA_Rome_MA
0.04275722 ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.04490454 HRV_MBA

Distance to: Macedonian:Tetovo
0.04102403 Scythian_MDA
0.04196624 GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.04485019 ITA_Rome_MA
0.04511638 ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.04755594 VK2020_ITA_Foggia_MA

Distance to: Macedonian-Delcevo
0.03874185 GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.04163745 ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.04327105 Scythian_HUN
0.04408801 SRB_Mokrin_EBA
0.04459218 Scythian_MDA

Distance to: Macedonian-Berovo
0.04217110 HRV_MBA
0.04219040 Scythian_MDA
0.04389914 Scythian_HUN
0.04718892 ITA_Rome_MA
0.04767124 SRB_Mokrin_EBA

Distance to: Macedonian-Veles
0.03680359 Scythian_MDA
0.03775417 GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.04076103 ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.04624978 UKR_Cimmerian_o
0.04876620 ITA_Rome_MA

Distance to: Macedonian-Krushevo
0.03818897 Scythian_MDA
0.04110064 GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.04167557 ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.04305925 ITA_Rome_Renaissance
0.04396962 ITA_Rome_MA

Distance to: Macedonian-Kavadarci
0.02781381 GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.03323089 ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.03478847 ITA_Rome_MA
0.04017951 Scythian_MDA
0.04118604 VK2020_ITA_Foggia_MA

Distance to: Macedonian-Prilep/Ohrid
0.02918404 GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.03255646 ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.03792537 ITA_Rome_MA
0.04036032 Scythian_MDA
0.04077565 HRV_IA

Distance to: Macedonian-Skopje/Veles
0.03468761 GRC_Helladic_MBA
0.03738258 ITA_Rome_MA
0.04278813 Scythian_MDA
0.04305726 Levant_LBN_MA_o4
0.04354897 VK2020_ITA_Foggia_MA

JohnnyP

02-22-2021, 12:08 AM

Little comparation with newest sample found in Aegean Macedonia/North Greece (GRC_Helladic_Log4_MBA) vs modern Macedonian sample.
I considering this to be Brygian sample (Macedonian tribe), also this modern Macedonian sample is from Krushevo part of ancient territory where Bryges lived, based to scholars Brygians migrated to South Balkan in Middle Bronze Age.
They were Highlanders also their name is connected historically to Balkan languages;
Variants of name
Briges (Greek: Βρύγοι or Βρίγες)
Phryges (B→P)
Brygoi or Brygians (Greek: Βρύγοι Θρήικες) (Herodotus)
Berg (mountain) (German)
Breg (hill, slope, mountain) (Slavic)

I would mention Phrygians also, they were same tribe with Brygians but they migrated to Anatolia in Late Bronze Age, also Phrygians had tribe with name "Mushki" , which is again modern Balkan-Slavic word for (Brave man or Manly),Ancient accounts suggest that they first arrived from a homeland in the west (as part of the Phrygian migration), from the region of Troy, or even from as far as Macedonia, as the Bryges.
Approximately where they lived;
https://i.imgur.com/xVuiRLb.jpg
GRC Helladic Log4

North Atlantic 27.02 Pct
Baltic 17.23 Pct
West_Med 18.01 Pct
West_Asian 13.6 Pct
East_Med 18.4 Pct
Red_Sea 1.55 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_Asian 0.5 Pct
Siberian 0.83 Pct
Amerindian 2.35 Pct
Oceanian 0.3 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub_Saharan 0.13 Pct

Macedonian from Krushevo

Population
North_Atlantic 27.22 Pct
Baltic 20.47 Pct
West_Med 17.57 Pct
West_Asian 13.12 Pct
East_Med 17.72 Pct
Red_Sea 1.04 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 2.08 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.78 Pct

Also Log4 sample at G25 modern individuals where modern Macedonian sample is closest;

Distance to: GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
0.03453642 Macedonian:PrilepOhrid
0.03575904 Moldovan:MOL-024
0.03591205 Albanian:AL82
0.03662362 Macedonian:Pelagonia1
0.03667276 Macedonian:Kavadarci
0.03803680 Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE144
0.03839074 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.03885996 Macedonian:Veles
0.03897875 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP11
0.03904431 Macedonian:East2
0.03920727 Rumelia_East:642
0.03927007 Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8

Macedonian G25 sample closest to Log4

Scaled
Macedonian:PrilepOhrid,0.122929,0.146236,0.023381,-0.006137,0.026774,-0.001116,-0.00376,-0.002077,-0.002454,0.018588,0.00065,0.001798,0.003717,0.0101 84,-0.011943,-0.008353,-0.008475,-0.000887,0.008799,-0.009004,-0.009234,0.009769,-0.000739,0.000602,-0.002395

Unscaled
Macedonian:PrilepOhrid,0.0108,0.0144,0.0062,-0.0019,0.0087,-0.0004,-0.0016,-0.0009,-0.0012,0.0102,0.0004,0.0012,0.0025,0.0074,-0.0088,-0.0063,-0.0065,-0.0007,0.007,-0.0072,-0.0074,0.0079,-0.0006,0.0005,-0.002
This is just my point of view, maybe I'm biased who knows :)

JohnnyP

02-22-2021, 10:56 PM

https://i.imgur.com/ay0HgX3.png

Veles
https://i.imgur.com/MUER3kQ.png

https://i.imgur.com/cnYG53o.png

y-dna J2
https://i.imgur.com/8CSOdu0.png

y-dna J2b2* mt-dna H1
https://i.imgur.com/CLLpFOZ.png

Skopje
https://i.imgur.com/eIFYcjN.png

JohnnyP

02-28-2021, 07:47 PM

https://i.imgur.com/mxmxjVK.png
https://i.imgur.com/HmP2rBc.png

JohnnyP

02-28-2021, 11:43 PM

https://i.imgur.com/kMAO0OP.png

Vrazijadivizija

02-28-2021, 11:51 PM

https://i.imgur.com/kMAO0OP.png

Whats the highest Macedonian Baltic score so far?

JohnnyP

03-01-2021, 12:00 AM

Whats the highest Macedonian Baltic score so far?

Macedonians from Skopje/Kumanovo(North) 22-24 Baltic, but also there is Macedonians from Skopje with really low Baltic, but Skopje is with few highest 24 Baltic.
Also Lowest Baltic (17%) is from Skopje., these 18-19 Baltic are from Central and South parts, east and west around 20/21, but in most situations North Atlantic is bigger than Baltic in Macedonians.

Vrazijadivizija

03-01-2021, 12:08 AM

Macedonians from Skopje/Kumanovo(North) 22-24 Baltic, but also there is Macedonians from Skopje with really low Baltic, but Skopje is with few highest 24 Baltic.
Also Lowest Baltic (17%) is from Skopje., these 18-19 Baltic are from Central and South parts, east and west around 20/21, but in most situations North Atlantic is bigger than Baltic in Macedonians.

Interesting..didint expect that 22-24 range would be Highest.

JohnnyP

03-01-2021, 12:18 AM

Interesting..didint expect that 22-24 range would be Highest.

I posted around 200 Kits and I have 100+ more for sure,so stay tuned :D

JohnnyP

03-01-2021, 11:19 PM

https://i.imgur.com/MRoMYPr.png
https://i.imgur.com/yvNtBEx.png

JohnnyP

03-10-2021, 01:06 AM

Hello, my new Macedonian K13 Average from 145 gedmatch kits;
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FEcZzuHh_xBlU3sHLUFQIWOGYxI_etd8BgFyNi1MXbw/edit?usp=sharing

Macedonian,22.14,21.18,20.02,11.03,21.55,2.24,0.25 ,0.34,0.43,0.38,0.35,0.04,0.06

Jana

03-10-2021, 09:49 PM

3 Macedonian gedmatch results I found on Croatian forum, maybe they are posted here already, idk
two of them are E-V13, I don't know ydna of third guy

#1

North_Atlantic 23.22 Pct
Baltic 19.51 Pct
West_Med 20.62 Pct
West_Asian 10.94 Pct
East_Med 22.3 Pct
Red_Sea 2.37 Pct
South_Asian 0.78 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.25 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

#2

North_Atlantic 22.65 Pct
Baltic 18.55 Pct
West_Med 18.93 Pct
West_Asian 10.83 Pct
East_Med 24.8 Pct
Red_Sea 3.27 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.68 Pct
Oceanian 0.28 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

#3

North_Atlantic 28.22 Pct
Baltic 19.47 Pct
West_Med 18.63 Pct
West_Asian 13.12 Pct
East_Med 18.72 Pct
Red_Sea 1.04 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.78 Pct

JohnnyP

03-10-2021, 09:57 PM

Jana

03-10-2021, 09:58 PM

Oh thank you Stearsolina!!!

No problem, btw these samples were posted by ethnic Macedonian member (he tested himself and his two friends)

Jana

03-10-2021, 10:00 PM

No kit numbers sadly. But maybe you can ask him :)

https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=85111081&postcount=502

https://www.forum.hr/showthread.php?t=1030297&page=26

JohnnyP

03-21-2021, 07:57 PM

https://i.imgur.com/9ABwHpu.png
https://i.imgur.com/B8n48Pc.png

JohnnyP

03-21-2021, 09:34 PM

Two from South , I think first one is lowest Baltic till now,
https://i.imgur.com/lCdGEOd.png
https://i.imgur.com/iTF31CU.png

JohnnyP

03-24-2021, 02:52 PM

Tetovo-Skopje

https://i.imgur.com/MVLMbsq.jpg

K13 Updated,

Distance to: Tetovo-Skopje
6.41164565 Italian_Friuli_VG
7.42145538 Italian_Trentino
7.90571312 Bosniak_Sandzak
8.05347130 Montenegrin
8.13098395 Romania_Crisana
8.77177291 Romania_Transylvania
8.80203386 Italian_Veneto

Target: Tetovo-Skopje
Distance: 1.2460% / 1.24599476
50.2 Swiss_Italian
15.2 Greek_Northern-Thrace
10.3 Moldova_Jewish
9.5 Latvian
8.0 Sorb_Lusatia
3.0 Greek_Western-Thrace
1.7 Greek_West
1.3 Italian_Sardinia
0.7 Dai
0.1 Albanian_Tosk

Target: Tetovo-Skopje
Distance: 1.7141% / 1.71411302 | R3P
63.0 Italian_Trentino
19.5 Moldova_Jewish
17.5 Belorussian

JohnnyP

03-24-2021, 03:28 PM

Tetovo (Northwest)

https://i.imgur.com/jkEzJom.png

JohnnyP

03-28-2021, 07:29 PM

https://i.imgur.com/SyHCtYF.png

3.87152425 Albanian_Gheg
4.46476203 Macedonian_South
4.47163281 Macedonian
4.69284562 Albanian
4.95565334 Torbesh_average
5.18578827 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
5.30934083 Macedonian_North
5.31859944 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
5.92317693 Greek_Thessaly
6.25865001 Greek_Northeast
6.35024409 Bulgaria_Northeastern
6.44110239 Greek_West_Macedonia
6.48802744 Bulgaria_Southeastern
6.54686948 Albanian_Tosk
6.99589165 Greek_Central_Macedonia
7.34490299 Bulgaria_Southcentral
7.39338218 Bulgaria_Southwestern
7.46225837 Greek
7.58910403 Bosniak_Sandzak
7.59849327 Bulgaria_average

JohnnyP

04-10-2021, 09:34 PM

https://i.imgur.com/3XAh7XK.png

https://i.imgur.com/2U7NIsQ.png

https://i.imgur.com/yykZpuo.png

https://i.imgur.com/CrD0lrH.png

https://i.imgur.com/9HDm1Of.png

Varda

04-11-2021, 02:49 PM

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How you explain that most of Macedonians score higher North Atlantic than Baltic?

JohnnyP

04-11-2021, 03:05 PM

How you explain that most of Macedonians score higher North Atlantic than Baltic?

My personal opinion is that many of the ancient Macedonian tribes with some Thracian tribes like Bessi were described as Blondes/Redheads and my point is that ancient Macedonians were partly Celts together with some Thracian tribes, I think even MBA samples from Northeast Greece showing that
Greece_MBA_Log04,27.02,17.23,18.01,13.6,18.4,1.55, 0.08,0.5,0.83,2.35,0.3,0,0.13 ,
This is average from log2 and log4 , GRC_Helladic_MBA,26.22,14.74,21.24,11.57,21.02,1.9 2,0.04,0.25,0.42,1.68,0.76,0.00,0.16
New average for East Macedonians :
Macedonian_east,24.9,20.3,20.6,10.5,19.2,2.7,0.1,0 .6,0.3,0.4,0.4,0.0,0.0
I'm posting east Macedonian average because on these parts lived Bessi tribes, but in general 90% of Macedonian samples have high North Atlantic, is that make sense to you ?

JohnnyP

04-13-2021, 07:04 PM

Macedonian from Veles-Aegean, y-DNA I-CTS10057 probably Celtic branch https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-CTS10057/

https://i.imgur.com/wCflbuw.png

Extra results :D

https://i.imgur.com/JJgzUKu.png

JohnnyP

04-14-2021, 02:37 PM

https://i.imgur.com/Gl9NWgB.png

Skopje
https://i.imgur.com/a4yMvOs.png

https://i.imgur.com/k3tI2YR.png

https://i.imgur.com/34sXaE6.png

Northwest - E-V13
https://i.imgur.com/ZnYqxDR.png

Plus MyTrueAncestry for last :D

https://i.imgur.com/HU5bScI.png

JohnnyP

04-15-2021, 06:07 PM

Macedonian from Skopje-Bitola

https://i.imgur.com/KhvSqoq.png

JohnnyP

04-22-2021, 11:25 PM

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JohnnyP

04-23-2021, 12:11 AM

https://i.imgur.com/H7i1cEz.png

JohnnyP

04-23-2021, 04:40 PM

12 - Macedonian Tetovo K13 results (Polog region - Northwest)
https://i.imgur.com/WUg2X6E.png

https://i.imgur.com/3TyupZT.png

Leto

04-23-2021, 04:48 PM

Is it true that Macedonians are closest to Western Bulgarians?

JohnnyP

04-23-2021, 04:56 PM

Is it true that Macedonians are closest to Western Bulgarians?

You are on the wrong page for trolling bra, but anyways ;

Distance to: Macedonian
2.97756612 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
3.82272154 Albanian_Gheg
4.33544692 Bulgaria_Southcentral
4.59084959 Bulgaria_Northeastern
4.72217111 Albanian
4.74191944 Bulgaria_average
4.81370959 Torbesh_average
4.81589036 Bulgaria_Southwestern
4.82344275 Bulgaria_Southeastern
5.14797047 Bosniak_Sandzak

Distance to: Macedonian_Central&South
2.30443052 Albanian_Gheg
2.51561126 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
3.13277832 Albanian
3.33805332 Torbesh_average
4.25853555 Greek_Thessaly
5.07420930 Albanian_Tosk
5.19973076 Bulgaria_Southeastern
5.20703370 Greek_Central_Macedonia
5.27357564 Greek_Northeast
5.33437906 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia

Eastern Macedonians
Target: East_avg
Distance: 1.1091% / 1.10913248 | ADC: 0.5x RC
42.5 Bosniak_Sandzak
36.1 Albanian_Gheg
21.4 Italian_Friuli_VG

Leto

04-23-2021, 05:02 PM

You are on the wrong page for trolling bra, but anyways ;

That's not trolling by any means. I'm asking because the Dodecad average for Macedonians is the closest to Bulgarian_West from Kaspias.

Leto

04-23-2021, 05:11 PM

I'm not from the Balkans, so there's literally no point for me to troll. Y'all neither neither score nor look like me :cool:

Macedonian,5.45,0.29,0.55,0.20,27.45,34.19,0.36,0. 03,6.29,0.15,25.03,0.02

Distance to: Macedonian
1.01710373 Romanian
1.76697482 Bulgarian_West
2.00392116 Moldovan_South
2.44474948 Montenegrin
2.77447292 Bulgarian_Central

Target: Macedonian
Distance: 0.5657% / 0.56569067 | ADC: 0.25x RC
57.9 Bulgarian_West
37.4 Montenegrin
4.7 Italian_Veneto

CommonSense

04-23-2021, 05:18 PM

The Macedonian average on dodecad is probably outdated.

Coolguy1

04-23-2021, 05:20 PM

12 - Macedonian Tetovo K13 results (Polog region - Northwest)
https://i.imgur.com/WUg2X6E.png

https://i.imgur.com/3TyupZT.png

can you provide the kit numbers for the Tetovo guys?

Leto

04-23-2021, 05:53 PM

The Macedonian average on dodecad is probably outdated.
Why would it be? North Macedonia is to the WEST of Bulgaria, so it's only natural they're most similar to Western BG than the rest of said country. I don't believe you always need a fuck ton of sample to get an idea of a country's genetic profile. If Johnny is unwilling to raise a fucking finger to update that average, I don't give a rat's ass 'cause it's good enough for me. Anyway I trust Kaspias more than those whose judgement is severely clouded by politics.

CommonSense

04-23-2021, 06:03 PM

Why would it be? North Macedonia is to the WEST of Bulgaria, so it's only natural they're most similar to Western BG than the rest of said country. I don't believe you always need a fuck ton of sample to get an idea of a country's genetic profile. If Johnny is unwilling to raise a fucking finger to update that average, I don't give a rat's ass 'cause it's good enough for me. Anyway I trust Kaspias more than those whose judgement is severely clouded by politics.

You think his kits are unrepresentative? I've not seen many Macedonians who score like typical Bulgarians from the west of the country. And certainly none who are similar to Montenegrins of any kind. They're either like eastern Bulgarians or like Aromanians and Ghegs.

Leto

04-23-2021, 06:17 PM

You think his kits are unrepresentative? I've not seen many Macedonians who score like typical Bulgarians from the west of the country. And certainly none who are similar to Montenegrins of any kind. They're either like eastern Bulgarians or like Aromanians and Ghegs.
I'm not saying his kits are unrepresentative. But Dodecad may be simply different from Eurogenes.

JohnnyP

04-23-2021, 06:52 PM

I'm not saying his kits are unrepresentative. But Dodecad may be simply different from Eurogenes.

These references from all calculators except K13 are wrong ... really wrong, nothing like Macedonian averages or kits, also K15 it's not updated, my averages are from more than 250 Kits, and besides that nothing like these references even averages are not like that, even these are Academic samples from a study I know, they are Skopje samples and most of them are Macedo-Serbs, even 50% of them have Serbian surnames.

So gedmatch references of Macedonians are wrong, I can bet for many more ethnicities are wrong, but anyway I'm here to correct it, bro? Not even one thank?
Cheers!

JohnnyP

04-23-2021, 06:55 PM

can you provide the kit numbers for the Tetovo guys?

Yes I can ,

XS4668810
T655998
T491975
T588417
T251028
WX2259700
XY9343009
A154390
BW1528752
A584834
A373748
JT5955745

Leto

04-23-2021, 07:10 PM

These references from all calculators except K13 are wrong ... really wrong, nothing like Macedonian averages or kits, also K15 it's not updated, my averages are from more than 250 Kits, and besides that nothing like these references even averages are not like that, even these are Academic samples from a study I know, they are Skopje samples and most of them are Macedo-Serbs, even 50% of them have Serbian surnames.

So gedmatch references of Macedonians are wrong, I can bet for many more ethnicities are wrong, but anyway I'm here to correct it, bro? Not even one thank?
Cheers!
If you can, please run some of the best Macedonian kits through Dodecad K12b. That'd be appreciated very much.

Varda

04-23-2021, 07:35 PM

You are on the wrong page for trolling bra, but anyways ;

Distance to: Macedonian
2.97756612 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
3.82272154 Albanian_Gheg
4.33544692 Bulgaria_Southcentral
4.59084959 Bulgaria_Northeastern
4.72217111 Albanian
4.74191944 Bulgaria_average
4.81370959 Torbesh_average
4.81589036 Bulgaria_Southwestern
4.82344275 Bulgaria_Southeastern
5.14797047 Bosniak_Sandzak

Distance to: Macedonian_Central&South
2.30443052 Albanian_Gheg
2.51561126 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
3.13277832 Albanian
3.33805332 Torbesh_average
4.25853555 Greek_Thessaly
5.07420930 Albanian_Tosk
5.19973076 Bulgaria_Southeastern
5.20703370 Greek_Central_Macedonia
5.27357564 Greek_Northeast
5.33437906 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia

Eastern Macedonians
Target: East_avg
Distance: 1.1091% / 1.10913248 | ADC: 0.5x RC
42.5 Bosniak_Sandzak
36.1 Albanian_Gheg
21.4 Italian_Friuli_VG

I think medieval Slavic speaking Macedonians were northern shifted than modern ones because they are mixed with Aromanians in Ottoman time and later.

JohnnyP

04-23-2021, 07:48 PM

I think medieval Slavic speaking Macedonians were northern shifted than modern ones because they are mixed with Aromanians in Ottoman time and later.

I think no, the fact that Albanians,Macedonians and Aromanians in past lived in one kingdom called Macedonia while northern borders were next to Skopje , so without Skopje and Kumanovo , that's reason why Central ,West , Southwest,Southeast Macedonians are similar/same to Ghegs and Aromanians not because later they were mixed with them, so Macedonians from regions where never lived Aromanians or Ghegs have those type of results, Skopje and Kumanovo have high Serbian influence, Kumanovo even more, 4th person in Kumanovo is mixed with Serb.
I said once I will say again Aromanians are Macedonians same with Albanians, most of them.Cheers!

https://i.imgur.com/Qs2Hjav_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand

Varda

04-23-2021, 08:01 PM

I think no, the fact that Albanians,Macedonians and Aromanians in past lived in one kingdom called Macedonia whise northern borders were next to Skopje , so without Skopje and Kumanovo , that's reason why Central ,West , Southwest,Southeast Macedonians are similar/same to Ghegs and Aromanians not because later they were mixed with them, so Macedonians from regions where never lived Aromanians or Ghegs have those type of results, Skopje and Kumanovo have high Serbian influence, Kumanovo even more, 4th person in Kumanovo is mixed with Serb.
I said once I will say again Aromanians are Macedonians same with Albanians, most of them.Cheers!

https://i.imgur.com/Qs2Hjav_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand

Albanians in Macedonia are migrants in Ottoman time, they are Muslims and because of religion mixing with Orthodox Slavic speaking Macedonians was impossible.
Same goes for Aromanians. They settled in N. Macedonia from Epirus and Thessaly in Ottoman time. For example Aromanians of Kruševo came from Epirius (mostly from Samarina) in period 1756-1903.
Vlachs who lived in Macedonia since middle age are Megleno-Vlachs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megleno-Romanians
Mijaks are created as mix of Slavs who arrived in western Macedonian from Albania in Ottoman time and Aromanian migrants from Epirus also in Ottoman time.

Varda

04-23-2021, 08:05 PM

Albanians in Macedonia are migrants in Ottoman time, they are Muslims and because of religion mixing with Orthodox Slavic speaking Macedonians was impossible.
Same goes for Aromanians. They settled in N. Macedonia from Epirus and Thessaly in Ottoman time. For example Aromanians of Kruševo came from Epirius (mostly from Samarina) in period 1756-1903.
Vlachs who lived in Macedonia since middle age are Megleno-Vlachs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megleno-Romanians
Mijaks are created as mix of Slavs who arrived in western Macedonian from Albania in Ottoman time and Aromanian migrants from Epirus also in Ottoman time.

Kruševo is a copy of Samarina. Altitude of Kruševo is 1350 m and of Samarina is 1450 m, architecture is very similar.

Varda

04-23-2021, 08:13 PM

Lawyer Toma Fila (Aromanian) say that Macedonians can claim ancient Macedonian origin only over the back of Aromanians https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Тома_Фила

He say Macedonians are native as much as they have Aromanian blood.

JohnnyP

04-23-2021, 08:24 PM

Albanians in Macedonia are migrants in Ottoman time, they are Muslims and because of religion mixing with Orthodox Slavic speaking Macedonians was impossible.
Same goes for Aromanians. They settled in N. Macedonia from Epirus and Thessaly in Ottoman time. For example Aromanians of Kruševo came from Epirius (mostly from Samarina) in period 1756-1903.
Vlachs who lived in Macedonia since middle age are Megleno-Vlachs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megleno-Romanians
Mijaks are created as mix of Slavs who arrived in western Macedonian from Albania in Ottoman time and Aromanian migrants from Epirus also in Ottoman time.

Broski i will no go into further discussion about this, I said what I have to said, Albanians in Macedonia are native, we are pretty similar together with Aromanians too, all natives to Macedonia, same with Torbeshi too.
So I will leave this thread to DNA kits.
Thanks in advance cheers!

Varda

04-23-2021, 08:28 PM

Coolguy1

04-23-2021, 08:47 PM

Yes I can ,

XS4668810
T655998
T491975
T588417
T251028
WX2259700
XY9343009
A154390
BW1528752
A584834
A373748
JT5955745

Do you have other regional averages?

JohnnyP

04-23-2021, 10:45 PM

Most of present day Albanians of Macedonia are descendants of settlers in Ottomans time from Albania.
Most of them are Ghegs, and minority are Tosks.

Nope man, stop with that Serbian propaganda about Albanians and everyone around, Albanians are native to Kosovo and Macedonia they are not settlers from Ottoman time, and again modern Macedonian = Aromanians, also Macedonians,Albanians(mostly Ghegs),Aromanians, and Torbeshi = Macedonians.

Please leave this thread for DNA kits , and go around with your Wikipedia b*llshit.

Varda

04-23-2021, 10:50 PM

Nope man, stop with that Serbian propaganda about Albanians and everyone around, Albanians are native to Kosovo and Macedonia they are not settlers from Ottoman time, and again modern Macedonian = Aromanians, also Macedonians,Albanians(mostly Ghegs),Aromanians, and Torbeshi = Macedonians.

Please leave this thread for DNA kits , and go around with your Wikipedia b*llshit.

Every fucking Kosovo Albanian know from which clan in northern Albania originated.
Albanians in Kosovo in mid of 15th century (Ottoman defters) were less than 1%.

If Albanians are native in Macedonia than they have a right on secession of western Macedonia. Do you agree?

JohnnyP

04-24-2021, 03:34 AM

Every fucking Kosovo Albanian know from which clan in northern Albania originated.
Albanians in Kosovo in mid of 15th century (Ottoman defters) were less than 1%.

If Albanians are native in Macedonia than they have a right on secession of western Macedonia. Do you agree?

Not anymore, NATO...

Btw your "theory" of mixing Macedonians with Aromanians is not supported by facts and also that "from the medieval age, Macedonians were North shifted" ( idk from where you got this idea, but that's totally wrong... ).
First of all Macedonians from regions where never lived Aromanians have the same or even more southern results than actual Aromanian ( and I don't know how large you think is Aromanian community in Macedonia but it's actually small ), also Macedonian average is more southern than the Aromanian average, even my Central and South Macedonian average plots between Aromanians and Ghegs even more southern, so there is again nonsense but i guess that's you.I didn't open this thread to discussing about nonsense, please leave this thread if you are not interested in Macedonian Gedmatch kits, thanks in advance.

Слога

04-24-2021, 01:12 PM

Broski i will no go into further discussion about this, I said what I have to said, Albanians in Macedonia are native, we are pretty similar together with Aromanians too, all natives to Macedonia, same with Torbeshi too.
So I will leave this thread to DNA kits.
Thanks in advance cheers!

Of course they are, as Turks are in Constantinopole. :rotfl

And so called "Macedonia" is as much of a country and as much of a nation as Luxemburg, and even has less history than Luxemburg. The territory is Serbian and it's population is a mix of Serbs, Bulgars, Gypsies and Albanians. It's language is also a mix of Serbian and Bulgarian. Communists created it after 1945 to weaken Serbia. Communists gave it a stolen name from Greek history (Hellenian Macedonia), that's why Greeks are so upset about them. They stole history from Greeks and they stole land from us. That's how they created an artificial nation.

Leto

04-24-2021, 06:08 PM

So I will leave this thread to DNA kits.

Please leave this thread for DNA kits , and go around with your Wikipedia b*llshit.

I didn't open this thread to discussing about nonsense, please leave this thread if you are not interested in Macedonian Gedmatch kits, thanks in advance.
Seriously man, can you pick 15-20 kits that are most represenative in your opinion and make a new Macedonian national average for Dodecad K12b? I'm curious how different it'd be from the existing one.

JohnnyP

04-25-2021, 08:33 PM

<google-sheets-html-origin>I added also DodecadK12B Regional Averages and also average from all regions.
Under South are Southwestern / Pelagonia and Southeastern regions ,here's how regions are separated;
https://i.imgur.com/GyWPpMW.png

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Regions
Calculator
Gedroasia
Siberian
Northwest African
Southeast Asian
Atlantic_Med
North European
South Asian
East African
Southwest Asian
East Asian
Caucasus
Sub Saharan

Vardar Region
DodecadK12b
5.63
1.71
0
0
30.28
27.78
0.37
0
6.3
0
27.93
0

Vardar Region
DodecadK12b
6.12
0.95
2.31
0.06
28.14
29.7
0.06
0
6.42
0
26.25
0

Vardar Region
DodecadK12b
6.44
0
1.09
0
29.96
29.23
0.18
0
5.99
0.74
26.37
0

Vardar Region
DodecadK12b
5.97
0.49
1.4
0
29.15
28.61
0.91
0
7.9
0.73
24.86
0

Vardar Region
DodecadK12b
4.21
1.16
0
0
29.35
27.9
1.19
0
6.86
0.28
29.04
0

Vardar Region
DodecadK12b
5.93
0
1.29
0
29.17
29.13
0.82
0
6.8
0
26.86
0

Vardar Region
DodecadK12b
4.98
0.63
1.43
0.36
29.55
27.86
0
0
6.39
0
28.8
0

Vardar Region
DodecadK12b
4.45
0
1.91
0.22
29.66
31.16
0
0
5.16
0
27.41
0

Vardar Region
DodecadK12b
5.78
0.55
1.05
0.1
28.86
29.83
0
0.11
6.48
0.1
27.14
0

Vardar Region
DodecadK12b
6.59
0
1.17
0.43
30.35
28.8
0
0
7.95
0
24.71
0

Vardar Region
DodecadK12b
6.73
0
1.83
0
26.94
29.12
0
0
8.13
0.63
26.61
0

Vardar Region
DodecadK12b
4.59
0.23
1.59
0
28.76
29.06
0
0
7.54
0
28.23
0

Average
5.62
0.48
1.26
0.10
29.18
29.02
0.29
0.01
6.83
0.21
27.02
0.00

South Regions
DodecadK12b
5.37
0.36
1.68
0.82
25.93
28.57
0
0.09
7.74
0
29.44
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
3.9
0.67
0.85
0
30.81
27.8
0.39
0
8.48
0
27.09
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
6.94
0
1.48
0
29.38
28.14
0
0
7.66
1.11
25.3
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
5.78
0.18
0.06
0
27.29
28.6
0.29
0
9.79
0
28.01
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
5.86
0
0
0
29.8
29.76
0
0
6.64
0
27.94
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
4
0.49
1.39
0
28.4
30.34
0.59
0
7.03
0
27.76
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
5.28
0.06
1.98
0
27.64
29.03
0
0
7.63
0
28.33
0.05

South Regions
DodecadK12b
5.87
0.4
1.99
0
28.74
28.58
0
0
7.66
0
26.76
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
5.93
0
0.45
0
29.28
27.42
0
0
9.34
0.75
26.83
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
4.51
0.23
2.26
0
28.76
28.92
0
0
9.3
0
26.01
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
3.89
0.4
1.57
0
29.52
28.36
0.18
0
7.11
1.4
27.56
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
5.5
1.23
1.94
0.43
30.59
27.78
0
0
7.27
0
25.27
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
5.77
0
0.61
0.32
28.1
27.62
0.06
0
8.84
0
28.68
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
5.34
0.55
1.03
0
29.38
28.72
1.05
0
7.65
0
26.26
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
4.7
0
4.11
0
25.98
29.1
0.41
0
7.66
0
28.04
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
3.42
0.26
0.05
0
29.79
29.81
1.33
0
8.19
0
27.16
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
6.45
0.37
0.15
0
28.67
28.78
0
0.36
7.43
0
28.79
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
4.57
0.42
0
0
29.23
27.75
0.28
0
9.59
0
28.16
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
2.47
0
1.25
0
29.05
31.55
0
0
8.04
0
27.64
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
5.26
0
1.14
0.85
27.61
27.19
0
0
8.47
0
29.45
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
6.34
0.28
0
0
30.23
29.13
0.37
0
8.62
0
25.03
0

South Regions
DodecadK12b
4.07
0
3.05
0
29.7
23.94
0
0
10.08
0.56
28.54
0

Average
5.06
0.27
1.23
0.11
28.81
28.50
0.23
0.02
8.19
0.17
27.46
0.00

Polog Region
DodecadK12b
5.3
0.45
2.61
0
29.51
30.43
0.94
0
6.51
0
24.22
0

Polog Region
DodecadK12b
6.74
0
0.52
0
29.21
31.26
0
0
5.73
0.54
26.01
0

Polog Region
DodecadK12b
7.36
0
0.25
0
29.14
29.59
0
0
6.87
0.5
26.3
0

Polog Region
DodecadK12b
5.55
0
0.63
0.43
29.04
30.16
0
0
7.14
0
27.06
0

Polog Region
DodecadK12b
6.42
0
0
0
28.4
29.82
0
0
8.1
0.14
27.12
0

Polog Region
DodecadK12b
3.26
0.95
1.67
0
26.43
30.16
0.46
0
6.41
0.44
30.24
0

Polog Region
DodecadK12b
6.58
0
1.61
0.36
29.9
32.28
0
0
4.52
0
24.74
0

Polog Region
DodecadK12b
4.26
0
1.4
0
28.57
31.22
0.83
0
6.71
0.32
26.69
0

Polog Region
DodecadK12b
4.03
0.88
3.55
0
25.5
30.91
0
0
7.23
0
27.91
0

Polog Region
DodecadK12b
4.8
0.69
0.2
0
26.46
32.15
0
0
7.13
0
28.19
0

Polog Region
DodecadK12b
7.41
0
0
0.38
31.41
32.84
0
0.23
5.94
0
21.79
0

Average
5.61
0.27
1.13
0.11
28.51
30.98
0.20
0.02
6.57
0.18
26.39
0.00

Eastern Region
DodecadK12b
1.40
0.55
0.16
0.31
29.93
34.42
0.00
0.00
7.25
0.00
25.99
0.00

Eastern Region
DodecadK12b
2.48
0.31
1.52
0.00
28.67
32.60
0.00
0.00
6.95
1.10
26.37
0.00

Eastern Region
DodecadK12b
5.95
0.85
0.34
0.00
28.98
28.41
0.51
0.00
7.56
0.70
26.69
0.00

Eastern Region
DodecadK12b
6.42
0.56
0.00
0.00
28.41
28.99
0.00
0.00
7.31
0.58
27.72
0.00

Eastern Region
DodecadK12b
5.81
0.06
0.11
0.55
28.82
30.39
0.00
0.00
5.65
0.00
28.61
0.00

Eastern Region
DodecadK12b
5.82
0.00
1.01
0.49
29.59
28.69
0.00
0.00
8.85
0.00
25.55
0.00

Average
4.65
0.39
0.52
0.23
29.07
30.58
0.09
0.00
7.26
0.40
26.82
0.00

Northeast&Skopje Region
DodecadK12b
4.72
0.43
0.00
0.30
26.64
29.16
0.00
0.00
8.92
0.00
29.52
0.31

Northeast&Skopje Region
DodecadK12b
4.80
0.87
1.03
0.00
26.79
32.02
0.00
0.00
6.88
0.33
27.28
0.00

Northeast&Skopje Region
DodecadK12b
4.20
0.00
0.83
0.06
25.82
32.80
0.00
0.07
7.83
0.41
27.97
0.00

Northeast&Skopje Region
DodecadK12b
4.96
0.49
0.89
0.47
27.31
31.04
0.00
0.00
7.38
0.59
26.88
0.00

Northeast&Skopje Region
DodecadK12b
4.13
0.34
0.23
0.00
28.59
30.63
0.00
0.00
8.85
0.00
27.24
0.00

Northeast&Skopje Region
DodecadK12b
4.17
0.88
1.39
0.00
28.35
30.46
0.00
0.18
5.62
0.00
28.96
0.00

Northeast&Skopje Region
DodecadK12b
2.68
0.00
0.78
1.04
26.99
31.24
0.00
0.00
6.98
0.41
29.88
0.00

Northeast&Skopje Region
DodecadK12b
4.94
0.00
0.00
0.48
28.74
28.25
0.00
0.00
7.64
0.00
29.95
0.00

Northeast&Skopje Region
DodecadK12b
4.27
0.11
1.25
0.00
27.62
31.93
0.30
0.00
7.25
0.28
27.02
0.00

Northeast&Skopje Region
DodecadK12b
5.48
0.56
0.13
0.00
27.78
33.65
0.00
0.00
6.51
0.31
25.55
0.00

Northeast&Skopje Region
DodecadK12b
5.60
0.31
0.96
0.00
29.50
30.15
0.53
0.00
6.23
0.00
26.51
0.21

Average
4.54
0.36
0.68
0.21
27.65
31.03
0.08
0.02
7.28
0.21
27.89
0.05

AVERAGE_ALL
5.09
0.35
0.96
0.15
28.64
30.02
0.18
0.01
7.23
0.23
27.11
0.01

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JohnnyP

04-25-2021, 09:15 PM

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Calculator
Region
North Atlantic
Baltic
West Med
West Asian
East Med
Red Sea
South Asian
East Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
Northeast African
Sub-Saharan

Eurogenes K13
Vardar Region
23.4
17.66
22.46
10.96
21.79
0.61
0
0
1.28
1.39
0.45
0
0

Eurogenes K13
Vardar Region
24.95
18.23
16.98
11.13
23.42
2.32
0.24
0.65
0.42
1.29
0
0.3
0.05

Eurogenes K13
Vardar Region
26.15
19.03
19.35
11.39
21.87
0.75
0
0.19
0
1.04
0.22
0
0

Eurogenes K13
Vardar Region
23.08
19.92
20.01
8.89
21.14
3.89
0.53
0
1.03
0
1.51
0
0

Eurogenes K13
Vardar Region
20.02
19.6
24.44
11.52
20.51
1.1
0.79
0
1.1
0.91
0
0
0

Eurogenes K13
Vardar Region
24.32
19.78
19.27
11.46
21.06
2.55
0.31
0
0
0
1.25
0
0

Eurogenes K13
Vardar Region
21.4
19.31
21.83
13.53
18.74
3.36
0
0.59
0
0.93
0.31
0
0

Eurogenes K13
Vardar Region
24.57
20.39
23.71
11.77
15.85
2.44
1.27
0
0
0
0
0
0

Eurogenes K13
Vardar Region
24.31
20.31
21.45
12.17
19.52
0.53
0
0.46
0.85
0
0
0.36
0

Eurogenes K13
Vardar Region
25.74
19.17
18.22
9.22
23.84
1.97
0
1.84
0
0
0
0
0

Eurogenes K13
Vardar Region
24.87
18.4
18.76
13.55
20.15
2.56
0
1.07
0.17
0
0.48
0
0

Eurogenes K13
Vardar Region
24.27
18.19
21.47
12.65
20.38
2.18
0
0
0.17
0.6
0
0
0.09

Vardar Region Average
23.92
19.17
20.66
11.52
20.69
2.02
0.26
0.40
0.42
0.51
0.35
0.06
0.01

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
19.27
20.58
18.45
13.03
25.29
1.07
0
0.1
1.25
0.12
0.85
0
0

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
22.55
20.37
22.14
8.79
22.15
3.30
0.08
0.25
0.14
0.06
0.14
0.00
0.00

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
18.61
19.46
21.25
11.69
23.58
2.35
0.75
0
2.32
0
0
0
0

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
22.19
19.89
20.33
11.85
19.72
4.69
0
0.66
0
0
0.67
0
0

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
22.13
20.86
19.97
11.72
21.72
2.32
0
0.41
0.4
0.22
0
0.2
0

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
23.77
19.85
20.48
10.98
22.64
0.16
0
0
0.37
1.41
0.34
0
0

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
21.84
20.55
19.69
11.57
23.63
1.25
0.81
0
0
0.37
0.16
0
0.13

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
19.32
20.54
20.49
11.27
25.04
2.32
0
0
0.73
0.29
0
0
0

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
21
19.54
21.4
11.26
22.2
3.09
0
0.78
0
0.7
0
0
0

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
23.73
19.67
19.77
9.43
22.04
4.54
0
0
0.29
0
0.54
0
0

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
19.59
20.9
21.83
8.76
24.55
2.02
0
1.63
0
0.71
0
0
0

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
22.81
19.52
20.9
9.62
21.89
2.27
0
0.46
0.6
0.9
0.72
0.12
0.2

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
21.65
18.55
18.86
11.83
24.8
3.27
0
0.07
0
0.68
0.28
0
0

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
20.86
20.27
20.38
9.54
23.84
1.84
1.17
0
0.75
0.43
0.94
0
0

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
23.22
19.51
19.62
11.94
22.3
2.37
0.78
0
0
0
0.25
0
0

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
22.33
21.47
20.47
8.54
21.37
3.51
1.7
0
0
0.63
0
0
0

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
19.96
21.25
20
11.97
24.57
0.26
0
0
0.25
0.84
0.89
0
0

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
20.86
20.09
19.21
10.19
25.84
2.67
0
0
0
0.37
0.76
0
0

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
25.16
20.4
16.41
8.82
26.46
1.98
0
0
0
0.54
0.21
0
0

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
19.76
19.08
20.55
12.42
23.18
3.1
0
0.13
0
1.19
0.6
0
0

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
21.96
19.63
21.21
12.24
21.84
2.2
0
0
0.3
0.15
0.48
0
0

Eurogenes K13
South Regions
18.93
17.64
23.29
9.51
26.2
3.04
1.19
0
0.19
0
0
0
0

South Regions Average
21.43
19.98
20.30
10.77
23.40
2.44
0.29
0.20
0.35
0.44
0.36
0.01
0.02

Eurogenes K13
Polog Region
23.79
20.9
21.19
11.33
15.48
3.67
1.95
0.33
0
0.45
0
0.86
0

Eurogenes K13
Polog Region
22.51
24.13
16.62
12.24
23.64
0
0
0
0.75
0.08
0
0
0

Eurogenes K13
Polog Region
21.69
21.74
19.39
13.15
20.11
2.26
0.89
0.53
0
0.24
0
0
0

Eurogenes K13
Polog Region
19.09
22.54
20.5
10.08
26.25
0.15
0
0.25
0.2
0.06
0.87
0
0

Eurogenes K13
Polog Region
23.72
20.31
19.98
13.23
17.63
3.69
0.48
0.66
0
0.24
0
0
0

Eurogenes K13
Polog Region
20.69
22.74
19.55
8.65
25.35
0.91
0
0
0.9
0.67
0.3
0
0.24

Eurogenes K13
Polog Region
23.43
22.84
22.8
9.93
19.35
0
0.77
0.88
0
0
0
0
0

Eurogenes K13
Polog Region
22.35
23.26
18.29
9.49
23.71
0.91
0.18
0
0.75
0.18
0.81
0
0.06

Eurogenes K13
Polog Region
20.54
22.38
18.4
10.38
21.89
4.34
0
0
0.17
1.16
0.74
0
0

Eurogenes K13
Polog Region
24.03
23.94
16.08
13.24
18.81
2.64
0
0
0.97
0
0.29
0
0

Eurogenes K13
Polog Region
24
22.94
21.52
11.21
16.36
2.9
0.84
0.23
0
0
0
0
0

Polog Region Average
22.35
22.52
19.48
11.18
20.78
1.95
0.46
0.26
0.34
0.28
0.27
0.08
0.03

Eurogenes K13
Eastern Region
29.57
22.12
19.79
5.65
19.51
2.09
0.00
1.22
0.05
0.00
0.00
0.00
0.00

Eurogenes K13
Eastern Region
24.71
21.04
21.12
10.44
17.00
3.64
0.00
1.31
0.00
0.74
0.00
0.00
0.00

Eurogenes K13
Eastern Region
20.88
20.14
22.33
11.74
18.84
3.38
0.65
0.00
1.37
0.31
0.35
0.00
0.00

Eurogenes K13
Eastern Region
23.34
19.96
20.68
12.16
20.73
1.73
0.00
0.00
0.27
0.07
1.05
0.00
0.00

Eurogenes K13
Eastern Region
24.55
21.43
20.41
12.62
19.23
0.59
0.00
0.87
0.00
0.11
0.20
0.00
0.00

Eurogenes K13
Eastern Region
26.57
17.40
19.09
10.32
19.86
4.94
0.00
0.00
0.00
1.08
0.75
0.00
0.00

Eastern Region Average
24.94
20.35
20.57
10.49
19.20
2.73
0.11
0.57
0.28
0.39
0.39
0.00
0.00

Eurogenes K13
Northeast&Skopje Regions
20.06
21.88
18.34
10.44
26.57
1.40
0.00
0.00
0.41
0.00
0.75
0.00
0.13

Eurogenes K13
Northeast&Skopje Regions
21.41
23.99
18.19
11.77
20.00
3.03
0.00
0.35
0.77
0.49
0.00
0.00
0.00

Eurogenes K13
Northeast&Skopje Regions
20.04
24.41
17.80
12.82
20.64
3.06
0.00
0.55
0.00
0.00
0.69
0.00
0.00

Eurogenes K13
Northeast&Skopje Regions
21.16
21.70
21.63
13.58
17.97
1.69
0.00
1.15
0.56
0.47
0.00
0.11
0.00

Eurogenes K13
Northeast&Skopje Regions
22.31
22.41
18.59
10.47
21.79
3.47
0.33
0.00
0.00
0.62
0.00
0.00
0.00

Eurogenes K13
Northeast&Skopje Regions
23.11
21.07
20.51
14.10
18.07
1.48
0.00
0.23
0.74
0.00
0.60
0.08
0.00

Eurogenes K13
Northeast&Skopje Regions
22.27
23.26
17.27
10.55
22.26
2.26
0.00
1.88
0.00
0.00
0.25
0.00
0.00

Eurogenes K13
Northeast&Skopje Regions
22.21
19.06
20.42
12.54
22.54
3.00
0.00
0.07
0.00
0.16
0.00
0.00
0.00

Eurogenes K13
Northeast&Skopje Regions
22.70
21.87
19.62
9.74
21.55
2.40
0.00
0.00
0.91
0.31
0.61
0.00
0.30

Eurogenes K13
Northeast&Skopje Regions
23.82
24.67
17.84
10.37
19.08
2.85
0.12
0.00
0.53
0.65
0.08
0.00
0.00

Eurogenes K13
Northeast&Skopje Regions
22.43
21.21
20.26
11.61
20.70
2.01
0.53
0.00
0.00
0.25
0.99
0.00
0.00

Northeast Region Average
21.96
22.32
19.13
11.64
21.02
2.42
0.09
0.38
0.36
0.27
0.36
0.02
0.04

Eurogenes K13
AVERAGE_ALL
22.92
20.87
20.03
11.12
21.02
2.31
0.24
0.36
0.35
0.38
0.35
0.03
0.02

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Leto

04-25-2021, 09:24 PM

Thanks Johnny, great job!:thumb001: We will delete the old Macedonian average.

paradox

04-25-2021, 09:53 PM

Thanks Johnny, great job!:thumb001: We will delete the old Macedonian average.Why? there's nothing wrong with the old average on Dodecad.

Leto

04-27-2021, 02:29 PM

Why? there's nothing wrong with the old average on Dodecad.
So you think Johnny is trolling. I don't think what he's doing fits the definition of "trolling" though.

Old average
New average

North_European 33.45
North_European 30.02

Atlantic_Med 27.71
Atlantic_Med 28.64

Caucasus 25.41
Caucasus 27.11

Southwest_Asian 6.35
Southwest_Asian 7.23

Gedrosia 5.44
Gedrosia 5.09

The new one is considerably more Southern, in particular its North European (primary Northeast Euro marker) is 3+ percent lower than Johnny's. In fact if you look at the new regional averages, none of the regions is above 31%. I don't know which one is more accurate, to be honest.

Coolguy1

04-27-2021, 06:58 PM

Johnny, can you please post all the kits you have from northern Greece?

Lucas

04-27-2021, 07:18 PM

So you think Johnny is trolling. I don't think what he's doing fits the definition of "trolling" though.

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The new one is considerably more Southern, in particular its North European (primary Northeast Euro marker) is 3+ percent lower than Johnny's. In fact if you look at the new regional averages, none of the regions is above 31%. I don't know which one is more accurate, to be honest.

It's impossible to troll when someone created such a long thread full of real kits, which could be checked by everyone. I still don't understand those who think JohhnyP has agenda. If he will post only averages yes it could be, but not in such a detailed thread with hundred kits, please.

Peterski

04-27-2021, 08:21 PM

Johnny do you have any Mijak kits? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mijaks

Ion Basescul

04-27-2021, 09:05 PM

We don't deserve Johnny.

RogueState

04-27-2021, 09:09 PM

So they were right since the beginning, Macedonians and Albanians are just the same hehe

https://youtu.be/52YOsjGINSc

paradox

04-28-2021, 12:19 AM

It's impossible to troll when someone created such a long thread full of real kits, which could be checked by everyone. I still don't understand those who think JohhnyP has agenda. If he will post only averages yes it could be, but not in such a detailed thread with hundred kits, please.With these new averages my father doesnt get a Macedonian reference in his population list until number 17. Something is very very wrong here. I'm referring to his k13 averages .

paradox

04-28-2021, 03:33 AM

So you think Johnny is trolling. I don't think what he's doing fits the definition of "trolling" though.

Old average
New average

North_European 33.45
North_European 30.02

Atlantic_Med 27.71
Atlantic_Med 28.64

Caucasus 25.41
Caucasus 27.11

Southwest_Asian 6.35
Southwest_Asian 7.23

Gedrosia 5.44
Gedrosia 5.09

The new one is considerably more Southern, in particular its North European (primary Northeast Euro marker) is 3+ percent lower than Johnny's. In fact if you look at the new regional averages, none of the regions is above 31%. I don't know which one is more accurate, to be honest.Definition of trolling
"A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community".

Yes it's way too southern, the previous one was accurate. Since we are discussing averages, the Macedonian G25 references are based on one individuals coordinates per region. How is this an average? I have Macedonian members coordinates and have checked them against them.
Anyway I'm disregarding the Macedonian averages.

JohnnyP

04-28-2021, 04:33 AM

Kaspias

04-28-2021, 10:35 AM

Definition of trolling
"A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community".

Yes it's way too southern, the previous one was accurate. Since we are discussing averages, the Macedonian G25 references are based on one individuals coordinates per region. How is this an average? I have Macedonian members coordinates and have checked them against them.
Anyway I'm disregarding the Macedonian averages.

Slavic Macedonians actually are not different than Greek Macedonians and in fact, they were the same people 150 years ago. It is more like languages are replaced due to cultural domination rather than a distinctive gene flow maybe except for Chalkidiki Greeks who show more Southern characteristics compared to the rest of Macedonian Greeks. In this sense, genetically, your father is not exactly Macedonian neither Greek nor Slavic, but more like Bulgarian/Romanian that makes sense when considering where his hometown borders. Macedonians, on the other hand, models in-between Bulgarians and Albanians, or let's say Torbeshis, are already should be more "Southern" than your father.

The old Macedonian average consisted of a limited number of academic samples which includes minorities from the country, such as a Bosniak and a Serbian within 8 results, and that's why it was more Northern shifted.

Ion Basescul

04-28-2021, 11:42 AM

Slavic Macedonians actually are not different than Greek Macedonians and in fact, they were the same people 150 years ago. It is more like languages are replaced due to cultural domination rather than a distinctive gene flow maybe except for Chalkidiki Greeks who show more Southern characteristics compared to the rest of Macedonian Greeks. In this sense, genetically, your father is not exactly Macedonian neither Greek nor Slavic, but more like Bulgarian/Romanian that makes sense when considering where his hometown borders. Macedonians, on the other hand, models in-between Bulgarians and Albanians, or let's say Torbeshis, are already should be more "Southern" than your father.

The old Macedonian average consisted of a limited number of academic samples which includes minorities from the country, such as a Bosniak and a Serbian within 8 results, and that's why it was more Northern shifted.

It's pretty much self-explanatory that the probability is significantly higher for one kit to be atypical, in this case paradox's father, rather than the average of 60+ from all corners in the country.
There are 2-3 people here (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?319731-Macedonian-Gedmatch-kits-28&p=7182748&viewfull=1#post7182748) who score like paradox's father by the way. And let's not forget that he's neither Greek nor North Macedonian, but Vlach. From what I understand, Vlach was more like a class and any ethnicity could become Vlach. So maybe he has some Serb roots or something similar from the region that can pull North genetically.

paradox

04-28-2021, 02:54 PM

There is not even one kit which is wrong or from different ethnicity or region i put there, these averages are correct, as i know your father is not Macedonian, Macedonia is small country , there is not big difference between regions, i don't know why you think i did something wrong, but if you want i can provide you all kits from this regional averages, i had many more kits from Skopje which are more southern but i didn't included them just for things like this.

Maybe I would find you more credible if you hadn't posted your "results" on the forum using different coordinates. At the beginning your coordinates had as highest component Baltic. I don't know if you remember but you gave me your k13 coordinates as well as other Macedonians which were also high Baltic. As your time here progressed your "results" became more southern as did your coordinates.

I now used your original k13 coordinates with your updated Macedonian references and you dont show a Macedonian region until 13 on the list. Using your latest new and improved k13 coordinates , a Macedonian region shows up at number 1. Quite remarkable seeing that you have a Serbian grandparent. So tell me why should I believe that the averages you posted are correct?

JohnnyP

04-28-2021, 04:39 PM

Maybe I would find you more credible if you hadn't posted your "results" on the forum using different coordinates. At the beginning your coordinates had as highest component Baltic. I don't know if you remember but you gave me your k13 coordinates as well as other Macedonians which were also high Baltic. As your time here progressed your "results" became more southern as did your coordinates.

I now used your original k13 coordinates with your updated Macedonian references and you dont show a Macedonian region until 13 on the list. Using your latest new and improved k13 coordinates , a Macedonian region shows up at number 1. Quite remarkable seeing that you have a Serbian grandparent. So tell me why should I believe that the averages you posted are correct?

Baby, I'm not even full Macedonian my grandmother is from North Croatia close to Slovenia border and my other grandmother is Serbian from Kosovo. Im half Macedonian(At my ethnicity on profile stays 75% Macedonian coz Kosovo is bordering with Macedonia I'm considering Kosovo like Macedonia :D).
And i mentioned few times on this thread that i will post kits only from full Macedonians, not Macedo-Serbs or Macedo-Bosnians.
Cheers!

Leto

04-28-2021, 04:58 PM

Baby, I'm not even full Macedonian my grandmother is from North Croatia close to Slovenia border and my other grandmother is Serbian from Kosovo. Im half Macedonian(At my ethnicity on profile stays 75% Macedonian coz Kosovo is bordering with Macedonia I'm considering Kosovo like Macedonia :D).
And i mentioned few times on this thread that i will post kits only from full Macedonians, not Macedo-Serbs or Macedo-Bosnians.
Cheers!
What do you score on Dodecad K12b? I'm curious.

JohnnyP

04-28-2021, 05:12 PM

What do you score on Dodecad K12b? I'm curious.

Population
Gedrosia 3.93 Pct
Siberian 0.53 Pct
Northwest_African 0.41 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.51 Pct
Atlantic_Med 27.57 Pct
North_European 35.36 Pct
South_Asian 0.05 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.8 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 25.8 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
.
I'm from Kumanovo (Northeast) close to Serbian border, 50% SerboCroat 50% Macedonian.

vbnetkhio

04-28-2021, 05:37 PM

It's pretty much self-explanatory that the probability is significantly higher for one kit to be atypical, in this case paradox's father, rather than the average of 60+ from all corners in the country.
There are 2-3 people here (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?319731-Macedonian-Gedmatch-kits-28&p=7182748&viewfull=1#post7182748) who score like paradox's father by the way. And let's not forget that he's neither Greek nor North Macedonian, but Vlach. From what I understand, Vlach was more like a class and any ethnicity could become Vlach. So maybe he has some Serb roots or something similar from the region that can pull North genetically.

In Bosnia/Serbia/Croatia/Montenegro, the ethnic Vlachs were assimilated and lost their language back in the 12th century, and since then it was only a class.
The Vlachs in Macedonia/Albania/Greece/South Bulgaria kept their ethnic identity (Arman/Aromanian) and language until recently. It's definitely a real ethnic group.

However, autosomally they look completely equalized with their surrounding populations.

The thing is people from the most northern parts of Greece (both Greeks and Aromanians) seem to have higher Baltic than Macedonians and South Bulgarians.

look at this result:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?292437-Northern-Greek-Gedmatch-Results

this person has almost 28% Baltic, and Macedonians don't go above 25 according to Johnny's resutls.

JohnnyP

04-28-2021, 05:45 PM

PCA DodecadK12b
https://i.imgur.com/0Yk3K6K.png

Ion Basescul

04-28-2021, 05:47 PM

In Bosnia/Serbia/Croatia/Montenegro, the ethnic Vlachs were assimilated and lost their language back in the 12th century, and since then it was only a class.
The Vlachs in Macedonia/Albania/Greece/South Bulgaria kept their ethnic identity (Arman/Aromanian) and language until recently. It's definitely a real ethnic group.

However, autosomally they look completely equalized with their surrounding populations.

The thing is people from the northern parts of Greece (both Greeks and Aromanians) seem to have higher Baltic than Macedonians and South Bulgarians.

look at this result:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?292437-Northern-Greek-Gedmatch-Results

this person has almost 28% Baltic, and Macedonians don't go above 25 according to Johnny's resutls.

Some kind of mutts probably...I recall the original Macedonians on Davidski's Global 25 ( not sure if they are still there), who were more Northern than Romanians and Serbs.

JohnnyP

04-28-2021, 06:34 PM

In Bosnia/Serbia/Croatia/Montenegro, the ethnic Vlachs were assimilated and lost their language back in the 12th century, and since then it was only a class.
The Vlachs in Macedonia/Albania/Greece/South Bulgaria kept their ethnic identity (Arman/Aromanian) and language until recently. It's definitely a real ethnic group.

However, autosomally they look completely equalized with their surrounding populations.

The thing is people from the most northern parts of Greece (both Greeks and Aromanians) seem to have higher Baltic than Macedonians and South Bulgarians.

look at this result:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?292437-Northern-Greek-Gedmatch-Results

this person has almost 28% Baltic, and Macedonians don't go above 25 according to Johnny's resutls.

In fact i got few from Skopje and Kumanovo with 25 Baltic , but i didn't get any answer yet if they are Macedonians or mixed with Serbs or other Yugoslavs.

And btw your posted Greek result its not seems Greek at all, Greeks from region Macedonia don't have results like that at all , i have seen many, no way 28 Baltic, and his y-dna...

vbnetkhio

04-28-2021, 06:44 PM

Some kind of mutts probably...I recall the original Macedonians on Davidski's Global 25 ( not sure if they are still there), who were more Northern than Romanians and Serbs.

They are still in the official sheet. On Vahaduo, Lucas replaced them with some better samples.

Almost all of those macedonian academic samples have recent North Serbian , Bosniak and Montenegrin ancestry. You can see by their close 3/4 generation matches on gedmatch.
the biggest outlier is "Macedonian3", he matches people from Bosnia of all 3 ethnicites, and no Macedonians.
Macedonia was a part of Yugoslavia, so it makes sense that if you take samples in the capital there will be a lot of such samples.

That result was found by Kaspias on gedmatch, apparently it's a northern Greek with no foreign ancestry.
There are also these northern Greek academic samples:

GreeceMaced2,19.34,24.91,17.65,13.91,20.42,1.85,0, 0.01,1.68,0.03,0,0.01,0.19
GreeceMaced3,21.57,19.62,17.77,14.14,22.53,2.52,0. 13,0.28,1.25,0.01,0.19,0,0
GreeceMaced4,16.45,24.84,19.74,10.52,25.15,1.99,1. 1,0.08,0.01,0,0.13,0,0
GreeceMaced8,20.94,22.28,20.07,12.01,20.41,0.57,1. 03,0.97,0.93,0.03,0.74,0,0.01

according to Johnny's samples, around 25% Baltic is nonexistent in the parts of Macedonia closer to Greece, and here are 2 such samples. So they don't seem to have recent Macedonian ancestry, and any ancestry from even further north is unlikely for Greeks.

not just the academics, according to Kaspias, Greeks with confirmed full ancestry from the mountainous part of Greek Macedonia are really like this.

vbnetkhio

04-28-2021, 06:48 PM

In fact i got few from Skopje and Kumanovo with 25 Baltic , but i didn't get any answer yet if they are Macedonians or mixed with Serbs or other Yugoslavs.

And btw your posted Greek result its not seems Greek at all, Greeks from region Macedonia don't have results like that at all , i have seen many, no way 28 Baltic, and his y-dna...

Greek Macedonia includes 2 genetically diferent regions. The coastal areas (Chalkidiki) and the mountainous part. The ones from the mountainous region are more Slavic than your Macedonian samples.

JohnnyP

04-28-2021, 07:02 PM

They are still in the official sheet. On Vahaduo, Lucas replaced them with some better samples.

Almost all of those macedonian academic samples have recent North Serbian , Bosniak and Montenegrin ancestry. You can see by their close 3/4 generation matches on gedmatch.
the biggest outlier is "Macedonian3", he matches people from Bosnia of all 3 ethnicites, and no Macedonians.
Macedonia was a part of Yugoslavia, so it makes sense that if you take samples in the capital there will be a lot of such samples.

That result was found by Kaspias on gedmatch, apparently it's a northern Greek with no foreign ancestry.
There are also these northern Greek academic samples:

GreeceMaced2,19.34,24.91,17.65,13.91,20.42,1.85,0, 0.01,1.68,0.03,0,0.01,0.19
GreeceMaced3,21.57,19.62,17.77,14.14,22.53,2.52,0. 13,0.28,1.25,0.01,0.19,0,0
GreeceMaced4,16.45,24.84,19.74,10.52,25.15,1.99,1. 1,0.08,0.01,0,0.13,0,0
GreeceMaced8,20.94,22.28,20.07,12.01,20.41,0.57,1. 03,0.97,0.93,0.03,0.74,0,0.01

according to Johnny's samples, around 25% Baltic is nonexistent in the parts of Macedonia closer to Greece, and here are 2 such samples. So they don't seem to have recent Macedonian ancestry, and any ancestry from even further north is unlikely for Greeks.

not just the academics, according to Kaspias, Greeks with confirmed full ancestry from the mountainous part of Greek Macedonia are really like this.

Yeah , I mention few times, I'm posting only full Macedonian results, i have many Macedo-Serb results with 28-29 Baltic from Skopje,also you need to understand that North part of Greece is mix of many ethnicities, Slavophone Macedonians, Bulgarians, Vlachs,Turks, Pontiaks, maybe even Serbs. I have good example for Macedonians from Bitola and Lerin (Northwest part of Greece) results.

Population
North_Atlantic 20.28 Pct
Baltic 21.94 Pct
West_Med 18.56 Pct
West_Asian 10.83 Pct
East_Med 24.93 Pct
Red_Sea 2.39 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.35 Pct
Amerindian 0.36 Pct
Oceanian 0.10 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.26 Pct

Population
North_Atlantic 21.83 Pct
Baltic 20.04 Pct
West_Med 23.42 Pct
West_Asian 12.14 Pct
East_Med 17.98 Pct
Red_Sea 2.16 Pct
South_Asian 0.06 Pct
East_Asian 0.65 Pct
Siberian 0.08 Pct
Amerindian 0.3 Pct
Oceanian 0.97 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.36 Pct

Population
North_Atlantic 22.02 Pct
Baltic 21.71 Pct
West_Med 21.32 Pct
West_Asian 9.84 Pct
East_Med 21.69 Pct
Red_Sea 2.18 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.43 Pct
Siberian 0.11 Pct
Amerindian 0.7 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Population
North_Atlantic 24.33 Pct
Baltic 21.25 Pct
West_Med 20.48 Pct
West_Asian 9.71 Pct
East_Med 20.33 Pct
Red_Sea 2.29 Pct
South_Asian 0.71 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.65 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.1 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.09 Pct

Idk but to me it seems someone here is skeptical about my thread, i posted more than 200 kits you can check them all on your own(for people who thing this is not legit).Anyways i will stop to post more kits unless there is some different ones from these i already posted because its pointless anymore to continue posting these 3-4 types of results.
Cheers!

Also i dont understand why Macedonian results needs to be more Baltic than Greeks from MAcedonia region ?

Ion Basescul

04-28-2021, 07:04 PM

vbnetkhio

04-28-2021, 07:15 PM

With these new averages my father doesnt get a Macedonian reference in his population list until number 17. Something is very very wrong here.
that doesn't mean much.
in k13, individuals can range +-5 from the average in each component, and still be pure members of that population with no foreign ancestry.

your dad has much less than 5 differnce with each component from Johnny's average:

paradox father25.9523.5616.119.7219.353.09001.20.270.530.2 10
Macedonian average22.1421.1820.0211.0321.552.240.250.340.430. 380.350.040.06
difference3.812.383.911.312.20.850.250.340.770.110 .180.170.06

there is just a very big number of southern Balkan(Albanian, Macedonian, Greek) averages in the sheet, which are all very similar to each other, and your father is by accident closer to some than the other.

I'm referring to his k13 averages .

the best way to check the validity of averages is to check how multiple independent sources align. johnnyP is one source.

You could make 3 Macedonian k13 averages from another 3 independent sources and compare them:
1 k13 results of Macedonian apricity members: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?327894-Modeling-yourself-with-other-Apricity-members-using-vahaduo-eurogenes-k13
2 the k13 results of these Macedonians https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?264994-Macedonian-Gedmatch-kits-and-their-placement-on-the-map
3 Macedonian k13 results posted on Anthrogenica, Eupedia and Apricity (except those posted in this thread), search on google for example "Eupedia Macedonian Eurogenes results" you should find a dozen of them.

I don't have time for this now, but you could run this study.

JohnnyP

04-28-2021, 07:19 PM

that doesn't mean much.
in k13, individuals can range +-5 from the average in each component, and still be pure members of that population with no foreign ancestry.

your dad has much less than 5 differnce with each component from Johnny's average:

<tbody>
pardox father
25.95
23.56
16.11
9.72
19.35
3.09
0
0
1.2
0.27
0.53
0.21
0

Macedonian average
22.14
21.18
20.02
11.03
21.55
2.24
0.25
0.34
0.43
0.38
0.35
0.04
0.06

difference
3.81
2.38
3.91
1.31
2.2
0.85
0.25
0.34
0.77
0.11
0.18
0.17
0.06

</tbody>

there is just a very big number of southern Balkan(Albanian, Macedonian, Greek) averages in the sheet, which are all very similar to each other, and your father is by accident closer to some than the other.

the best way to check the validity of averages is to check how multiple independent sources align. johnnyP is one source.

You could make 3 Macedonian k13 averages from another 3 independent sources and compare them:
1 k13 results of Macedonian apricity members: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?327894-Modeling-yourself-with-other-Apricity-members-using-vahaduo-eurogenes-k13
2 the k13 results of these Macedonians https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?264994-Macedonian-Gedmatch-kits-and-their-placement-on-the-map
3 Macedonian k13 results posted on Anthrogenica, Eupedia and Apricity (except those posted in this thread), search on google for example "Eupedia Macedonian Eurogenes results" you should find a dozen of them.

I don't have time for this now, but you could run this study.

All kits of these threads are included here and in averages :D

vbnetkhio

04-28-2021, 07:33 PM

Which is why I always say that no component on K13, maybe apart from South Asian and SSA, should be looked at in isolation. That sample GreeceMaced4 with only 16% Atlantic but 25% Baltic is as Southern as GreeceMaced3 and more than the other two.

each population has a "NA+Baltic range", true, but there is also a specific NA range, and a specific Baltic range.
a Greek Macedonian could never be 10% NA and 30% Baltic, right?

So if Southern Macedonians don't get 25% Baltic on a pretty large sample, and these do, there's a difference.
It doesn't matter if some Southern Macedonians have a "NA+Baltic" just as high as these samples.

Ion Basescul

04-28-2021, 07:49 PM

each population has a "NA+Baltic range", true, but there is also a specific NA range, and a specific Baltic range.
a Greek Macedonian could never be 10% NA and 30% Baltic, right?

So if Southern Macedonians don't get 25% Baltic on a pretty large sample, and these do, there's a difference.
It doesn't matter if some Southern Macedonians have a "NA+Baltic" just as high as these samples.

Because 10-30 is impossible with the available pops in the region, but 16-24 is doable.
I don't really get the big fuss here, because Johnny's average from Vardar region, which is in the South, scores an average of 44% NA+Baltic and that's more Northern than the average of those 4 Greeks from Macedonia region.

vbnetkhio

04-28-2021, 07:57 PM

Yeah , I mention few times, I'm posting only full Macedonian results, i have many Macedo-Serb results with 28-29 Baltic from Skopje,also you need to understand that North part of Greece is mix of many ethnicities, Slavophone Macedonians, Bulgarians, Vlachs,Turks, Pontiaks, maybe even Serbs. I have good example for Macedonians from Bitola and Lerin (Northwest part of Greece) results.

there's no Serbs there, and none of others would pull Greeks to 25% Baltic except maybe Bulgarians.
but the Bulgarians which border Macedonian Greeks are Pirin Macedonian-Bulgarians and they should be genetically the same people as Fyrom-Macedonians, right? So it's not from them either.

All kits of these threads are included here :D

but those are independent sources, they weren't collected by you. so if she doesn't trust you, those sources are free of your influence.

Also i dont understand why Macedonian results needs to be more Baltic than Greeks from MAcedonia region ?
People assume that more geographically north must mean more Slavic.
but this doesn't have to be so at all.
In the initial 7th century settlement, Slavic tribes settled mostly in Southern Serbia, Western Bulgaria and North Greece, but for a large part of today's Macedonia we have no information of a Slavic tribe settiling there:
https://historum.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fpeizazhe.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F03%2FBoundaries.png&hash=2bbe9c855ad1e0873af25c22580bf0bd

according to archaeology a group of Slavs came to Macedonia from Bulgaria a few centuries later.

Davidski has seen the samples of some Slavs from Macedonia, and they weren't Ukrainian-like, they were already mixed and similar to today's Serbs and Romanians.
These could be those migrants from Bulgaria.

so if your averages are really valid, and Macedonians have ultra low Baltic, this is the reason why.

JohnnyP

04-28-2021, 08:00 PM

Because 10-30 is impossible with the available pops in the region, but 16-24 is doable.
I don't really get the big fuss here, because Johnny's average from Vardar region, which is in the South, scores an average of 44% NA+Baltic and that's more Northern than the average of those 4 Greeks from Macedonia region.

That region is not South , its mostly Central Veles / Stip and Kavadarci, also this region is with less Baltic from all regions , from 10 kits Baltic average is 19.17 , in this region North Atlantic is really high average i 23.92,

Here' top5 closest references to these kits.

<tbody>
Distance to:
VardarRegion

3.30788452
Albanian_Gheg

3.35665012
Torbesh_average

3.76071802
Albanian

5.25114273
Albanian_Tosk

5.42554375
Greek_Thessaly

</tbody>

<tbody>
Distance to:
VardarRegion

4.98343255
Vlach(Aromanian)_average

5.85362495
Greek_Thessaly

5.92152852
Albanian_Gheg

5.92371505
Albanian

6.39035210
Turk_Makedonya

</tbody>

<tbody>
Distance to:
VardarRegion

5.54921616
Albanian_Gheg

5.71612631
Vlach(Aromanian)_average

5.98876448
Albanian

6.22385732
Torbesh_average

6.72353330
Bulgaria_Northeastern

</tbody>

<tbody>
Distance to:
VardarRegion

4.20806369
Vlach(Aromanian)_average

4.55412999
Albanian_Gheg

5.21350170
Albanian

5.25430300
Torbesh_average

5.84085610
Bulgaria_Southcentral

</tbody>

<tbody>
Distance to:
VardarRegion

4.71410649
Albanian_Gheg

4.93333559
Torbesh_average

5.44539255
Albanian

6.23026484
Greek_Central_Macedonia

6.28337489
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia

</tbody>

<tbody>
Distance to:
VardarRegion

3.73170202
Vlach(Aromanian)_average

4.48233198
Albanian_Gheg

4.75024210
Bulgaria_Northeastern

5.21917618
Albanian

5.40925133
Bulgaria_Southcentral

</tbody>

<tbody>
Distance to:
VardarRegion

4.83076598
Bulgaria_Southeastern

5.08642310
Albanian_Gheg

5.27080639
Vlach(Aromanian)_average

5.31521401
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia

5.58446058
Bulgaria_Northeastern

</tbody>

<tbody>
Distance to:
VardarRegion

7.00143557
Bosniak_Sandzak

7.66132495
Serb_Southern_Montenegro

7.76403890
Bulgaria_Southwestern

7.92892805
Romania_Oltenia

8.10307349
Bulgaria_Northeastern

</tbody>

<tbody>
Distance to:
VardarRegion

5.31241000
Albanian_Gheg

5.57845857
Bulgaria_Northeastern

5.61270879
Bosniak_Sandzak

5.67092585
Vlach(Aromanian)_average

5.81123911
Bulgaria_Southwestern

</tbody>

<tbody>
Distance to:
VardarRegion

5.81049051
Vlach(Aromanian)_average

6.10267974
Albanian_Gheg

6.16769001
Albanian

6.41520849
Torbesh_average

6.71778423
Greek_Thessaly

</tbody>

<tbody>
Distance to:
VardarRegion

5.13420880
Bulgaria_Northeastern

5.19772065
Vlach(Aromanian)_average

5.71184734
Albanian_Gheg

5.96647299
Bulgaria_Southeastern

6.33060029
Albanian

</tbody>

<tbody>
Distance to:
VardarRegion

3.87152425
Albanian_Gheg

4.69284562
Albanian

4.95565334
Torbesh_average

5.18578827
Vlach(Aromanian)_average

5.31859944
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
[

</tbody>

Here's coordinates

Vardar Region,23.4,17.66,22.46,10.96,21.79,0.61,0,0,1.28, 1.39,0.45,0,0
Vardar Region,24.95,18.23,16.98,11.13,23.42,2.32,0.24,0.6 5,0.42,1.29,0,0.3,0.05
Vardar Region,26.15,19.03,19.35,11.39,21.87,0.75,0,0.19,0 ,1.04,0.22,0,0
Vardar Region,23.08,19.92,20.01,8.89,21.14,3.89,0.53,0,1. 03,0,1.51,0,0
Vardar Region,20.02,19.6,24.44,11.52,20.51,1.1,0.79,0,1.1 ,0.91,0,0,0
Vardar Region,24.32,19.78,19.27,11.46,21.06,2.55,0.31,0,0 ,0,1.25,0,0
Vardar Region,21.4,19.31,21.83,13.53,18.74,3.36,0,0.59,0, 0.93,0.31,0,0
Vardar Region,24.57,20.39,23.71,11.77,15.85,2.44,1.27,0,0 ,0,0,0,0
Vardar Region,24.31,20.31,21.45,12.17,19.52,0.53,0,0.46,0 .85,0,0,0.36,0
Vardar Region,25.74,19.17,18.22,9.22,23.84,1.97,0,1.84,0, 0,0,0,0
Vardar Region,24.87,18.4,18.76,13.55,20.15,2.56,0,1.07,0. 17,0,0.48,0,0
Vardar Region,24.27,18.19,21.47,12.65,20.38,2.18,0,0,0.17 ,0.6,0,0,0.09

GalenStark

04-28-2021, 08:04 PM

vbnetkhio

04-28-2021, 08:08 PM

I'm pretty sure the Slavs settled Macedonia as well no?

The Avaro-Slavic incursions that hit Greece and Albania likely settled in some parts of Macedonia as well.

Yes, but as I said, there are strong indicatiosn that it might have been later, in the 9th century, and by a group of Slavs which was already Balkan admixed.

CommonSense

04-28-2021, 08:19 PM

each population has a "NA+Baltic range", true, but there is also a specific NA range, and a specific Baltic range.
a Greek Macedonian could never be 10% NA and 30% Baltic, right?

So if Southern Macedonians don't get 25% Baltic on a pretty large sample, and these do, there's a difference.
It doesn't matter if some Southern Macedonians have a "NA+Baltic" just as high as these samples.

Do you have a full list of K13 individual results of Macedonian Greeks and Vlachs/Aromanians from Greece?

JohnnyP

04-28-2021, 08:22 PM

there's no Serbs there, and none of others would pull Greeks to 25% Baltic except maybe Bulgarians.
but the Bulgarians which border Macedonian Greeks are Pirin Macedonian-Bulgarians and they should be genetically the same people as Fyrom-Macedonians, right? So it's not from them either.

but those are independent sources, they weren't collected by you. so if she doesn't trust you, those sources are free of your influence.

People assume that more geographically north must mean more Slavic.
but this doesn't have to be so at all.
In the initial 7th century settlement, Slavic tribes settled mostly in Southern Serbia, Western Bulgaria and North Greece, but for a large part of today's Macedonia we have no information of a Slavic tribe settiling there:
https://historum.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fpeizazhe.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F03%2FBoundaries.png&hash=2bbe9c855ad1e0873af25c22580bf0bd

according to archaeology a group of Slavs came to Macedonia from Bulgaria a few centuries later.

Davidski has seen the samples of some Slavs from Macedonia, and they weren't Ukrainian-like, they were already mixed and similar to today's Serbs and Romanians.
These could be those migrants from Bulgaria.

so if your averages are really valid, and Macedonians have ultra low Baltic, this is the reason why.

They weren't collected by me, but i included them in Averages, no problem with me she can compare these results too, my kits are all valid, you have kit numbers and additional information's so everyone can check them, I don't know about slavs and invasions I'm talking about genetics here, and in most of cases Macedonian kits from South and Central part of Macedonia which is 70% of Macedonian territory have less baltic than those from Greek Macedonia, Macedonia is really isolated country , we have three big cities Skopje,Kumanovo and Bitola which can be settlers from neigbours countries, all other cities are smaller and in 99% are locals which do not mix with others cities, its really rare, except these three cities I can tell you that people here are really isolated , thats reason why these results are homogenous and with lower Baltic, pure genetics, these Academic samples from Skopje are something like 8 of 13 are Macedo-Serbs even one is full Bosnian and most are with Serbian-Croatian surnames with sufix IC, even i see how many people are not satisfied with these results which can't be faked because you have all here also if someone really wants those kits can PM me i will provede them, i will even add these kits from Skopje Academic study with mostly Macedo-Serbs kits and here's average from them too.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yCH8N0Aq6ubF2KlA5oIXTpC_BzEwEGtQmODE_wrGvsE/edit?usp=sharing

You can compare with rest full Macedonians from Skopje of same study how different they are, also here's kit from full Macedonian from most North place in Macedonia Vratnica, here's his results;

Kit number: WX2259700, Elapsed time: 4.44 seconds.

<tbody>
<form method="post" action="https://www.gedmatch.com/pop_avgs2.php"><input type="Submit" name="xsubmit" value="Spreadsheet">

</form>

<tbody>
Population

North_Atlantic
20.69 Pct

Baltic
22.74 Pct

West_Med
19.55 Pct

West_Asian
8.65 Pct

East_Med
25.35 Pct

Red_Sea
0.91 Pct

South_Asian
-

East_Asian
-

Siberian
0.9 Pct

Amerindian
0.67 Pct

Oceanian
0.3 Pct

Northeast_African
-

Sub-Saharan
0.24 Pct

</tbody>

</tbody>

Cheers!

vbnetkhio

04-28-2021, 08:25 PM

vbnetkhio

04-28-2021, 08:29 PM

They weren't collected by me, but i included them in Averages, no problem with me she can compare these results too, my kits are all valid, you have kit numbers and additional information's so everyone can check them, I don't know about slavs and invasions I'm talking about genetics here, and in most of cases Macedonian kits from South and Central part of Macedonia which is 70% of Macedonian territory have less baltic than those from Greek Macedonia, Macedonia is really isolated country , we have three big cities Skopje,Kumanovo and Bitola which can be settlers from neigbours countries, all other cities are smaller and in 99% are locals which do not mix with others cities, its really rare, except these three cities I can tell you that people here are really isolated , thats reason why these results are homogenous and with lower Baltic, pure genetics, these Academic samples from Skopje are something like 8 of 13 are Macedo-Serbs even one is full Bosnian and most are with Serbian-Croatian surnames with sufix IC, even i see how many people are not satisfied with these results which can't be faked because you have all here also if someone really wants those kits can PM me i will provede them, i will even add these kits from Skopje Academic study with mostly Macedo-Serbs kits and here's average from them too.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yCH8N0Aq6ubF2KlA5oIXTpC_BzEwEGtQmODE_wrGvsE/edit?usp=sharing

You can compare with rest full Macedonians from Skopje of same study how different they are, also here's kit from full Macedonian from most North place in Macedonia Vratnica, here's his results;

Kit number: WX2259700, Elapsed time: 4.44 seconds.

<tbody>
<form method="post" action="https://www.gedmatch.com/pop_avgs2.php"><input type="Submit" name="xsubmit" value="Spreadsheet">

</form>

<tbody>
Population

North_Atlantic
20.69 Pct

Baltic
22.74 Pct

West_Med
19.55 Pct

West_Asian
8.65 Pct

East_Med
25.35 Pct

Red_Sea
0.91 Pct

South_Asian
-

East_Asian
-

Siberian
0.9 Pct

Amerindian
0.67 Pct

Oceanian
0.3 Pct

Northeast_African
-

Sub-Saharan
0.24 Pct

</tbody>

</tbody>

Cheers!

I know of those kits, I explained it in a previous post.
They aren't Macedo-Serbs (the Serbs native to Macedonia)

they are mixed with Serbs from northern parts of Serbia and Bosnia.

vbnetkhio

04-28-2021, 08:35 PM

Do you have a full list of K13 individual results of Macedonian Greeks and Vlachs/Aromanians from Greece?

_North_AtlanticBalticWest_MedWest_AsianEast_MedRed _SeaSouth_AsianEast_AsianSiberianAmerindianOceania nNortheast_AfrSub_Saharan

central macedonia:
Macedonia:Macedonia_67424.219.3315.8612.6524.92.49 000.570000
Macedonia:Macedonia_67521.317.9518.0111.5424.14.76 0.9700.6600.290.420
Macedonia:Macedonia_67617.9622.1520.7212.0723.451. 370.630.1100.930.6100
Macedonia:Macedonia_67717.1517.5418.0719.2721.345. 630.0100.470.34000.17
Macedonia:Macedonia_67819.8216.2323.613.622.952.30 1.020.010.47000
Macedonia:Macedonia_67918.2920.6822.248.9125.571.7 2.170.2500.19000
Macedonia:Macedonia_68019.2520.719.5214.1920.773.1 50.9501.1400.270.050
Macedonia:Macedonia_68118.7216.9420.114.125.512.63 00.780.0300.950.160.07
Macedonia:Macedonia_68225.2416.6321.2611.0121.211. 820.650.650.340.660.5300
Macedonia:Macedonia_68312.1320.4425.8814.1824.240. 691.10.450.50.39000
Macedonia:Macedonia_68415.6717.1321.815.22261.660. 102.410.01000
Macedonia:Macedonia_68513.9422.1420.0910.3227.524. 060001.050.010.870
Macedonia:Macedonia_68618.5618.4821.3611.4325.253. 45000.570.30.600
Macedonia:Macedonia_68717.8117.6220.8415.3722.032. 892.72000.010.700
Macedonia:Macedonia_68813.8918.8517.9818.6223.462. 870.390.372.5300.820.220
Macedonia:Macedonia_68923.0618.3923.417.6822.981.4 12.720.3200.02000
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP1013.5119.2819.6713 .9927.033.430.070.98010.360.690
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP1123.7217.8618.139. 9626.521.261.440000.380.650
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP1212.221.6619.66172 2.034.31000.631.710.680.120
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP1321.912.6422.6616. 8621.242.800.1200.670.570.30.22
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP1424.311320.427.530 .811.760.15001.170.240.540.1
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP1522.5815.8720.7115 .3423.09000.7700.88000.75
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP1615.7117.1521.2412 .6726.74.48000.940001.07
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP1719.7121.2617.9710 .9325.792.370000.7800.410.75
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP1818.3814.9623.459. 4125.974.682.48000.66000
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP316.1320.4823.089.8 325.432.81000.870.760.6100
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP418.2215.1621.3711. 7227.484.4800.980.430.16000
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP519.4516.3322.4110. 6926.321.411.861.200.34000
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP821.4719.5419.514.8 521.521.96000.060.450.2300.42
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP918.119.4924.0612.3 522.342.1701.4800000
Thessaloniki_Central_Macedonia19.6320.9520.7411.76 24.440.960.160.270.380.71000
Thessaloniki_Central_Macedonia17.1520.7721.9813.92 23.9700000000
Serres_Central_Macedonia20.6615.9621.913.1122.344. 1300.410.1900.061.250
Greek_Central_Macedonia_avg18.7818.2920.9012.7924. 372.600.560.310.390.410.240.170.11

west macedonia:
Florina_West_Macedonia25.59.9222.4913.222.793.7300 .2801.0801.020
Florina_West_Macedonia2313.6120.6812.4226.043.1500 0.20.820.0700
Florina_West_Macedonia18.8714.7818.6813.7127.494.2 50.410.590.88000.320
Florina_West_Macedonia14.919.4820.0815.224.665.340 0.3600000
Florina_West_Macedonia22.8218.218.3713.7623.521.53 00.491.280000
Ptolemaida_West_Macedonia18.2817.5822.2514.5922.25 2.850.4400.21.010.5600
Greek_West_Macedonia_avg20.5615.6020.4313.8124.463 .480.140.290.430.490.110.220

macedonia outliers:
GreeceMaced219.3424.9117.6513.9120.421.8500.011.68 0.0300.010.19
GreeceMaced321.5719.6217.7714.1422.532.520.130.281 .250.010.1900
GreeceMaced416.4524.8419.7410.5225.151.991.10.080. 0100.1300
GreeceMaced820.9422.2820.0712.0120.410.571.030.970 .930.030.7400.01
Serres25.0627.8115.2210.0616.642.76001.730.050.070 .60
average20.67223.89218.0912.12821.031.9380.4520.268 1.120.0240.2260.1220.04

East Macedonia and Thrace:
GreeceNE1119.120.5919.0213.3825.30.880.3200.580.30 .5300
GreeceNE12619.3314.2123.6315.9521.863.080.54001.05 0.1500.19
GreeceNE14423.1213.5322.7813.7421.813.330.0801.020 000.55
GreeceNE16225.2314.2320.1211.2624.433.290.650.470. 070.22000
GreeceNE20913.7415.5325.1512.6326.084.7100.950.280 .860.0600
GreeceNE23120.2810.920.9217.1625.644.180000.30.390 0.24
GreeceNE25219.0112.4519.6416.4126.244.4600.680.480 .110.5200
GreeceNE28422.1413.8220.114.3525.973.02000.190.420 00
GreeceNE3423.221.9917.648.621.715.180001.1600.510
GreeceNE5923.5417.6116.4211.3522.915.241.0400.730. 450.7200
GreeceNE820.4322.5619.0511.2521.763.550001.07000.3 1
East_Rumelia_65020.5616.5221.613.0422.894.2000.570 .220.3900.01
East_Rumelia_65317.8414.4318.8616.227.793.480.0400 1.37000
East_Rumelia_65115.2919.620.9116.8422.893.280.0300 .7900.3700
East_Rumelia_64224.4316.2717.5613.2523.083.081.920 0.010.38000
East_Rumelia_64619.3413.7417.6217.8225.372.791.920 .040.70.240.4100
East_Rumelia_65215.8111.4118.2617.1632.142.5900.16 0.950.52001
East_Rumelia_64721.0822.720.0715.4716.992.310.540. 020.75000.050
East_Rumelia_64315.8416.9917.2119.8326.622.050.230 0.0801.1600
East_Rumelia_64414.7825.5216.3311.8227.111.92002.1 1000.010.39
East_Rumelia_64520.5922.718.6711.7723.061.9000.120 1.1900
East_Rumelia_64921.3617.7618.7710.427.11.551.8700. 110.48000.6
East_Rumelia_64820.3521.5821.2615.8217.050.830.131 .9300.69000.36
Greek_Eastern-Thrace16.3417.8920.213.0327.423.63001.020.310.1300
Greek_Macedonia_Thrace15.2316.2218.3617.9726.413.5 60.540.360.5800.530.150.03
Greek_Western-Thrace21.8813.0822.9112.6525.861.901.3400.38000
Greek_Istanbul18.0815.3516.1219.6926.362.59000.530 .420.730.130
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia20.6615.9421.8913.1322.354.1300.410.1900. 061.250
Greek_Northern-Thrace19.0422.5319.2312.0224.12000101.5200
Thrace15.9318.9319.316.3625.841.5901.2900.680.0800
Eastern_Thrace17.3418.8920.212.0327.422.63001.020. 310.1300
bigsnake_thrace19.4519.8019.2715.0122.410.880.670. 510.330.280.280.540.57
Greek_Northeast_avg19.3917.3519.6614.2924.502.870. 330.260.440.380.290.080.13

aromanians:
aromanian125.9523.5616.119.7219.353.09001.20.270.5 30.210
aromanian223.2821.0317.3212.8419.862.640.0101.261. 240.5400
aromanian321.3421.0318.4710.9622.054.710001.060.25 0.120
aromanian422.2119.8820.3311.8419.734.6800.66000.67 00
aromanian521.1616.3421.8711.223.994.140.060.43000. 8100
aromanian619.9821.9520.7912.1822.61.050.180.340.91 0000
aromanian717.7920.8418.5911.727.511.381.010.150.35 0.67000
aromanian818.3418.1118.5213.7225.82.990.152.14000. 2400
aromanian_avg21.2620.3419.0011.7722.613.090.180.47 0.470.410.380.040.00

vbnetkhio

04-28-2021, 08:37 PM

vahaduo fromat

central macedonia:
Macedonia:Macedonia_674,24.2,19.33,15.86,12.65,24. 9,2.49,0,0,0.57,0,0,0,0
Macedonia:Macedonia_675,21.3,17.95,18.01,11.54,24. 1,4.76,0.97,0,0.66,0,0.29,0.42,0
Macedonia:Macedonia_676,17.96,22.15,20.72,12.07,23 .45,1.37,0.63,0.11,0,0.93,0.61,0,0
Macedonia:Macedonia_677,17.15,17.54,18.07,19.27,21 .34,5.63,0.01,0,0.47,0.34,0,0,0.17
Macedonia:Macedonia_678,19.82,16.23,23.6,13.6,22.9 5,2.3,0,1.02,0.01,0.47,0,0,0
Macedonia:Macedonia_679,18.29,20.68,22.24,8.91,25. 57,1.7,2.17,0.25,0,0.19,0,0,0
Macedonia:Macedonia_680,19.25,20.7,19.52,14.19,20. 77,3.15,0.95,0,1.14,0,0.27,0.05,0
Macedonia:Macedonia_681,18.72,16.94,20.1,14.1,25.5 1,2.63,0,0.78,0.03,0,0.95,0.16,0.07
Macedonia:Macedonia_682,25.24,16.63,21.26,11.01,21 .21,1.82,0.65,0.65,0.34,0.66,0.53,0,0
Macedonia:Macedonia_683,12.13,20.44,25.88,14.18,24 .24,0.69,1.1,0.45,0.5,0.39,0,0,0
Macedonia:Macedonia_684,15.67,17.13,21.8,15.22,26, 1.66,0.1,0,2.41,0.01,0,0,0
Macedonia:Macedonia_685,13.94,22.14,20.09,10.32,27 .52,4.06,0,0,0,1.05,0.01,0.87,0
Macedonia:Macedonia_686,18.56,18.48,21.36,11.43,25 .25,3.45,0,0,0.57,0.3,0.6,0,0
Macedonia:Macedonia_687,17.81,17.62,20.84,15.37,22 .03,2.89,2.72,0,0,0.01,0.7,0,0
Macedonia:Macedonia_688,13.89,18.85,17.98,18.62,23 .46,2.87,0.39,0.37,2.53,0,0.82,0.22,0
Macedonia:Macedonia_689,23.06,18.39,23.41,7.68,22. 98,1.41,2.72,0.32,0,0.02,0,0,0
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP10,13.51,19.28,19.6 7,13.99,27.03,3.43,0.07,0.98,0,1,0.36,0.69,0
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP11,23.72,17.86,18.1 3,9.96,26.52,1.26,1.44,0,0,0,0.38,0.65,0
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP12,12.2,21.66,19.66 ,17,22.03,4.31,0,0,0.63,1.71,0.68,0.12,0
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP13,21.9,12.64,22.66 ,16.86,21.24,2.8,0,0.12,0,0.67,0.57,0.3,0.22
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP14,24.31,13,20.42,7 .5,30.81,1.76,0.15,0,0,1.17,0.24,0.54,0.1
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP15,22.58,15.87,20.7 1,15.34,23.09,0,0,0.77,0,0.88,0,0,0.75
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP16,15.71,17.15,21.2 4,12.67,26.7,4.48,0,0,0.94,0,0,0,1.07
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP17,19.71,21.26,17.9 7,10.93,25.79,2.37,0,0,0,0.78,0,0.41,0.75
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP18,18.38,14.96,23.4 5,9.41,25.97,4.68,2.48,0,0,0.66,0,0,0
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP3,16.13,20.48,23.08 ,9.83,25.43,2.81,0,0,0.87,0.76,0.61,0,0
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP4,18.22,15.16,21.37 ,11.72,27.48,4.48,0,0.98,0.43,0.16,0,0,0
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP5,19.45,16.33,22.41 ,10.69,26.32,1.41,1.86,1.2,0,0.34,0,0,0
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP8,21.47,19.54,19.5, 14.85,21.52,1.96,0,0,0.06,0.45,0.23,0,0.42
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP9,18.1,19.49,24.06, 12.35,22.34,2.17,0,1.48,0,0,0,0,0
Thessaloniki_Central_Macedonia,19.63,20.95,20.74,1 1.76,24.44,0.96,0.16,0.27,0.38,0.71,0,0,0
Thessaloniki_Central_Macedonia,17.15,20.77,21.98,1 3.92,23.97,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
Serres_Central_Macedonia,20.66,15.96,21.9,13.11,22 .34,4.13,0,0.41,0.19,0,0.06,1.25,0
Greek_Central_Macedonia_avg,18.78,18.29,20.90,12.7 9,24.37,2.60,0.56,0.31,0.39,0.41,0.24,0.17,0.11

west macedonia:
Florina_West_Macedonia,25.5,9.92,22.49,13.2,22.79, 3.73,0,0.28,0,1.08,0,1.02,0
Florina_West_Macedonia,23,13.61,20.68,12.42,26.04, 3.15,0,0,0.2,0.82,0.07,0,0
Florina_West_Macedonia,18.87,14.78,18.68,13.71,27. 49,4.25,0.41,0.59,0.88,0,0,0.32,0
Florina_West_Macedonia,14.9,19.48,20.08,15.2,24.66 ,5.34,0,0.36,0,0,0,0,0
Florina_West_Macedonia,22.82,18.2,18.37,13.76,23.5 2,1.53,0,0.49,1.28,0,0,0,0
Ptolemaida_West_Macedonia,18.28,17.58,22.25,14.59, 22.25,2.85,0.44,0,0.2,1.01,0.56,0,0
Greek_West_Macedonia_avg,20.56,15.60,20.43,13.81,2 4.46,3.48,0.14,0.29,0.43,0.49,0.11,0.22,0

macedonia outliers:
GreeceMaced2,19.34,24.91,17.65,13.91,20.42,1.85,0, 0.01,1.68,0.03,0,0.01,0.19
GreeceMaced3,21.57,19.62,17.77,14.14,22.53,2.52,0. 13,0.28,1.25,0.01,0.19,0,0
GreeceMaced4,16.45,24.84,19.74,10.52,25.15,1.99,1. 1,0.08,0.01,0,0.13,0,0
GreeceMaced8,20.94,22.28,20.07,12.01,20.41,0.57,1. 03,0.97,0.93,0.03,0.74,0,0.01
Serres,25.06,27.81,15.22,10.06,16.64,2.76,0,0,1.73 ,0.05,0.07,0.6,0
average,20.672,23.892,18.09,12.128,21.03,1.938,0.4 52,0.268,1.12,0.024,0.226,0.122,0.04

East Macedonia and Thrace:
GreeceNE11,19.1,20.59,19.02,13.38,25.3,0.88,0.32,0 ,0.58,0.3,0.53,0,0
GreeceNE126,19.33,14.21,23.63,15.95,21.86,3.08,0.5 4,0,0,1.05,0.15,0,0.19
GreeceNE144,23.12,13.53,22.78,13.74,21.81,3.33,0.0 8,0,1.02,0,0,0,0.55
GreeceNE162,25.23,14.23,20.12,11.26,24.43,3.29,0.6 5,0.47,0.07,0.22,0,0,0
GreeceNE209,13.74,15.53,25.15,12.63,26.08,4.71,0,0 .95,0.28,0.86,0.06,0,0
GreeceNE231,20.28,10.9,20.92,17.16,25.64,4.18,0,0, 0,0.3,0.39,0,0.24
GreeceNE252,19.01,12.45,19.64,16.41,26.24,4.46,0,0 .68,0.48,0.11,0.52,0,0
GreeceNE284,22.14,13.82,20.1,14.35,25.97,3.02,0,0, 0.19,0.42,0,0,0
GreeceNE34,23.2,21.99,17.64,8.6,21.71,5.18,0,0,0,1 .16,0,0.51,0
GreeceNE59,23.54,17.61,16.42,11.35,22.91,5.24,1.04 ,0,0.73,0.45,0.72,0,0
GreeceNE8,20.43,22.56,19.05,11.25,21.76,3.55,0,0,0 ,1.07,0,0,0.31
East_Rumelia_650,20.56,16.52,21.6,13.04,22.89,4.2, 0,0,0.57,0.22,0.39,0,0.01
East_Rumelia_653,17.84,14.43,18.86,16.2,27.79,3.48 ,0.04,0,0,1.37,0,0,0
East_Rumelia_651,15.29,19.6,20.91,16.84,22.89,3.28 ,0.03,0,0.79,0,0.37,0,0
East_Rumelia_642,24.43,16.27,17.56,13.25,23.08,3.0 8,1.92,0,0.01,0.38,0,0,0
East_Rumelia_646,19.34,13.74,17.62,17.82,25.37,2.7 9,1.92,0.04,0.7,0.24,0.41,0,0
East_Rumelia_652,15.81,11.41,18.26,17.16,32.14,2.5 9,0,0.16,0.95,0.52,0,0,1
East_Rumelia_647,21.08,22.7,20.07,15.47,16.99,2.31 ,0.54,0.02,0.75,0,0,0.05,0
East_Rumelia_643,15.84,16.99,17.21,19.83,26.62,2.0 5,0.23,0,0.08,0,1.16,0,0
East_Rumelia_644,14.78,25.52,16.33,11.82,27.11,1.9 2,0,0,2.11,0,0,0.01,0.39
East_Rumelia_645,20.59,22.7,18.67,11.77,23.06,1.9, 0,0,0.12,0,1.19,0,0
East_Rumelia_649,21.36,17.76,18.77,10.4,27.1,1.55, 1.87,0,0.11,0.48,0,0,0.6
East_Rumelia_648,20.35,21.58,21.26,15.82,17.05,0.8 3,0.13,1.93,0,0.69,0,0,0.36
Greek_Eastern-Thrace,16.34,17.89,20.2,13.03,27.42,3.63,0,0,1.02, 0.31,0.13,0,0
Greek_Macedonia_Thrace,15.23,16.22,18.36,17.97,26. 41,3.56,0.54,0.36,0.58,0,0.53,0.15,0.03
Greek_Western-Thrace,21.88,13.08,22.91,12.65,25.86,1.9,0,1.34,0, 0.38,0,0,0
Greek_Istanbul,18.08,15.35,16.12,19.69,26.36,2.59, 0,0,0.53,0.42,0.73,0.13,0
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia,20.66,15.94,21.89,13.13,22.35,4.13,0,0.4 1,0.19,0,0.06,1.25,0
Greek_Northern-Thrace,19.04,22.53,19.23,12.02,24.12,0,0,0,1,0,1.5 2,0,0
Thrace,15.93,18.93,19.3,16.36,25.84,1.59,0,1.29,0, 0.68,0.08,0,0
Eastern_Thrace,17.34,18.89,20.2,12.03,27.42,2.63,0 ,0,1.02,0.31,0.13,0,0
bigsnake_thrace,19.45,19.80,19.27,15.01,22.41,0.88 ,0.67,0.51,0.33,0.28,0.28,0.54,0.57
Greek_Northeast_avg,19.39,17.35,19.66,14.29,24.50, 2.87,0.33,0.26,0.44,0.38,0.29,0.08,0.13

aromanians:
aromanian1,25.95,23.56,16.11,9.72,19.35,3.09,0,0,1 .2,0.27,0.53,0.21,0
aromanian2,23.28,21.03,17.32,12.84,19.86,2.64,0.01 ,0,1.26,1.24,0.54,0,0
aromanian3,21.34,21.03,18.47,10.96,22.05,4.71,0,0, 0,1.06,0.25,0.12,0
aromanian4,22.21,19.88,20.33,11.84,19.73,4.68,0,0. 66,0,0,0.67,0,0
aromanian5,21.16,16.34,21.87,11.2,23.99,4.14,0.06, 0.43,0,0,0.81,0,0
aromanian6,19.98,21.95,20.79,12.18,22.6,1.05,0.18, 0.34,0.91,0,0,0,0
aromanian7,17.79,20.84,18.59,11.7,27.51,1.38,1.01, 0.15,0.35,0.67,0,0,0
aromanian8,18.34,18.11,18.52,13.72,25.8,2.99,0.15, 2.14,0,0,0.24,0,0
aromanian_avg,21.26,20.34,19.00,11.77,22.61,3.09,0 .18,0.47,0.47,0.41,0.38,0.04,0.00

Ion Basescul

04-28-2021, 08:39 PM

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central macedonia:
Macedonia:Macedonia_67424.219.3315.8612.6524.92.49 000.570000
Macedonia:Macedonia_67521.317.9518.0111.5424.14.76 0.9700.6600.290.420
Macedonia:Macedonia_67617.9622.1520.7212.0723.451. 370.630.1100.930.6100
Macedonia:Macedonia_67717.1517.5418.0719.2721.345. 630.0100.470.34000.17
Macedonia:Macedonia_67819.8216.2323.613.622.952.30 1.020.010.47000
Macedonia:Macedonia_67918.2920.6822.248.9125.571.7 2.170.2500.19000
Macedonia:Macedonia_68019.2520.719.5214.1920.773.1 50.9501.1400.270.050
Macedonia:Macedonia_68118.7216.9420.114.125.512.63 00.780.0300.950.160.07
Macedonia:Macedonia_68225.2416.6321.2611.0121.211. 820.650.650.340.660.5300
Macedonia:Macedonia_68312.1320.4425.8814.1824.240. 691.10.450.50.39000
Macedonia:Macedonia_68415.6717.1321.815.22261.660. 102.410.01000
Macedonia:Macedonia_68513.9422.1420.0910.3227.524. 060001.050.010.870
Macedonia:Macedonia_68618.5618.4821.3611.4325.253. 45000.570.30.600
Macedonia:Macedonia_68717.8117.6220.8415.3722.032. 892.72000.010.700
Macedonia:Macedonia_68813.8918.8517.9818.6223.462. 870.390.372.5300.820.220
Macedonia:Macedonia_68923.0618.3923.417.6822.981.4 12.720.3200.02000
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP1013.5119.2819.6713 .9927.033.430.070.98010.360.690
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP1123.7217.8618.139. 9626.521.261.440000.380.650
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP1212.221.6619.66172 2.034.31000.631.710.680.120
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP1321.912.6422.6616. 8621.242.800.1200.670.570.30.22
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP1424.311320.427.530 .811.760.15001.170.240.540.1
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP1522.5815.8720.7115 .3423.09000.7700.88000.75
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP1615.7117.1521.2412 .6726.74.48000.940001.07
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP1719.7121.2617.9710 .9325.792.370000.7800.410.75
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP1818.3814.9623.459. 4125.974.682.48000.66000
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP316.1320.4823.089.8 325.432.81000.870.760.6100
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP418.2215.1621.3711. 7227.484.4800.980.430.16000
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP519.4516.3322.4110. 6926.321.411.861.200.34000
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP821.4719.5419.514.8 521.521.96000.060.450.2300.42
Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP918.119.4924.0612.3 522.342.1701.4800000
Thessaloniki_Central_Macedonia19.6320.9520.7411.76 24.440.960.160.270.380.71000
Thessaloniki_Central_Macedonia17.1520.7721.9813.92 23.9700000000
Serres_Central_Macedonia20.6615.9621.913.1122.344. 1300.410.1900.061.250
Greek_Central_Macedonia_avg18.7818.2920.9012.7924. 372.600.560.310.390.410.240.170.11

west macedonia:
Florina_West_Macedonia25.59.9222.4913.222.793.7300 .2801.0801.020
Florina_West_Macedonia2313.6120.6812.4226.043.1500 0.20.820.0700
Florina_West_Macedonia18.8714.7818.6813.7127.494.2 50.410.590.88000.320
Florina_West_Macedonia14.919.4820.0815.224.665.340 0.3600000
Florina_West_Macedonia22.8218.218.3713.7623.521.53 00.491.280000
Ptolemaida_West_Macedonia18.2817.5822.2514.5922.25 2.850.4400.21.010.5600
Greek_West_Macedonia_avg20.5615.6020.4313.8124.463 .480.140.290.430.490.110.220

macedonia outliers:
GreeceMaced219.3424.9117.6513.9120.421.8500.011.68 0.0300.010.19
GreeceMaced321.5719.6217.7714.1422.532.520.130.281 .250.010.1900
GreeceMaced416.4524.8419.7410.5225.151.991.10.080. 0100.1300
GreeceMaced820.9422.2820.0712.0120.410.571.030.970 .930.030.7400.01
Serres25.0627.8115.2210.0616.642.76001.730.050.070 .60
average20.67223.89218.0912.12821.031.9380.4520.268 1.120.0240.2260.1220.04

East Macedonia and Thrace:
GreeceNE1119.120.5919.0213.3825.30.880.3200.580.30 .5300
GreeceNE12619.3314.2123.6315.9521.863.080.54001.05 0.1500.19
GreeceNE14423.1213.5322.7813.7421.813.330.0801.020 000.55
GreeceNE16225.2314.2320.1211.2624.433.290.650.470. 070.22000
GreeceNE20913.7415.5325.1512.6326.084.7100.950.280 .860.0600
GreeceNE23120.2810.920.9217.1625.644.180000.30.390 0.24
GreeceNE25219.0112.4519.6416.4126.244.4600.680.480 .110.5200
GreeceNE28422.1413.8220.114.3525.973.02000.190.420 00
GreeceNE3423.221.9917.648.621.715.180001.1600.510
GreeceNE5923.5417.6116.4211.3522.915.241.0400.730. 450.7200
GreeceNE820.4322.5619.0511.2521.763.550001.07000.3 1
East_Rumelia_65020.5616.5221.613.0422.894.2000.570 .220.3900.01
East_Rumelia_65317.8414.4318.8616.227.793.480.0400 1.37000
East_Rumelia_65115.2919.620.9116.8422.893.280.0300 .7900.3700
East_Rumelia_64224.4316.2717.5613.2523.083.081.920 0.010.38000
East_Rumelia_64619.3413.7417.6217.8225.372.791.920 .040.70.240.4100
East_Rumelia_65215.8111.4118.2617.1632.142.5900.16 0.950.52001
East_Rumelia_64721.0822.720.0715.4716.992.310.540. 020.75000.050
East_Rumelia_64315.8416.9917.2119.8326.622.050.230 0.0801.1600
East_Rumelia_64414.7825.5216.3311.8227.111.92002.1 1000.010.39
East_Rumelia_64520.5922.718.6711.7723.061.9000.120 1.1900
East_Rumelia_64921.3617.7618.7710.427.11.551.8700. 110.48000.6
East_Rumelia_64820.3521.5821.2615.8217.050.830.131 .9300.69000.36
Greek_Eastern-Thrace16.3417.8920.213.0327.423.63001.020.310.1300
Greek_Macedonia_Thrace15.2316.2218.3617.9726.413.5 60.540.360.5800.530.150.03
Greek_Western-Thrace21.8813.0822.9112.6525.861.901.3400.38000
Greek_Istanbul18.0815.3516.1219.6926.362.59000.530 .420.730.130
Greek_Eastern-Macedonia20.6615.9421.8913.1322.354.1300.410.1900. 061.250
Greek_Northern-Thrace19.0422.5319.2312.0224.12000101.5200
Thrace15.9318.9319.316.3625.841.5901.2900.680.0800
Eastern_Thrace17.3418.8920.212.0327.422.63001.020. 310.1300
bigsnake_thrace19.4519.8019.2715.0122.410.880.670. 510.330.280.280.540.57
Greek_Northeast_avg19.3917.3519.6614.2924.502.870. 330.260.440.380.290.080.13

aromanians:
aromanian125.9523.5616.119.7219.353.09001.20.270.5 30.210
aromanian223.2821.0317.3212.8419.862.640.0101.261. 240.5400
aromanian321.3421.0318.4710.9622.054.710001.060.25 0.120
aromanian422.2119.8820.3311.8419.734.6800.66000.67 00
aromanian521.1616.3421.8711.223.994.140.060.43000. 8100
aromanian619.9821.9520.7912.1822.61.050.180.340.91 0000
aromanian717.7920.8418.5911.727.511.381.010.150.35 0.67000
aromanian818.3418.1118.5213.7225.82.990.152.14000. 2400
aromanian_avg21.2620.3419.0011.7722.613.090.180.47 0.470.410.380.040.00

Aromanian1 looks like an outlier, but the rest must be legit. An average of about 40-42% NA+Baltic is also found in Aromanians whose families settled in Romania.

vbnetkhio

04-28-2021, 08:43 PM

Aromanian1 looks like an outlier, but the rest must be legit. An average of about 40-42% NA+Baltic is also found in Aromanians whose families settled in Romania.

Aromanian1 is Paradox's father. And those Aromanians living in Romania you posted are included here, haha. Without them the sample would be too small, and they are obviously pure Aromanians.

CommonSense

04-28-2021, 08:44 PM

Ion Basescul

04-28-2021, 08:53 PM

Aromanian1 is Paradox's father. And those Aromanians living in Romania you posted are included here, haha. Without them the sample would be too small, and they are obviously pure Aromanians.

Ah yes, there are also these 2 from Constanta:

19.97,21.03,19.05,13.79,21.77,3.51,0.50,0.12,0.26, 0,0,0,0
24.30,17.60,21.30,10.01,22.97,3.03,0,0.38,0.21,0.2 0,0,0,0

And this one is 3/4 Romanian from Oltenia region and 1/4 Slavic Macedonian from Struga, which is why I tend to believe in Macedonians being as Southern as they are portrayed in this thread.

19.05,23.68,19.16,14.27,18.97,0.88,1.96,0.83,1.21, 0,0,0,0

JohnnyP

04-28-2021, 09:02 PM

Is funny how Central Macedonians (Vardar Region) plots close to Ghegs even there are not living Albanians at all.Albanians are living West/Northwest and Skopje too.
I think even more North Atlantic than Ghegs.

https://i.imgur.com/rjYzw6l.png
https://i.imgur.com/4lf3E3c.png

vbnetkhio

04-28-2021, 09:02 PM

OK, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference between these kits and those than JohnnyP collected, with the exception of certain Greeks being very southern-shifted. Paradox's dad on the other hand is a clear outlier here, not only compared to the other seven Aromanian samples, but also to even to the most northern-shifted of these Greeks, excluding the one kit with dubious ancestry that Kaspias found. So I don't think it's fair to cast doubt on Johnny for not including any people like him. If they were common, in such a large collection of samples we would have found some that are similar.

the Aromanian sample size is quite small for a population spread over such a large area. I expect more Aromanian results like paradox dad's to appear, I don't see what kind of foreign admixture could be giving him that NA shift.

also, 90% of the central Macedonia results are from Thessaloniki. (very likely the Macedonia:Macedonia samples too)
we need a proper sample from the mountainous part of Greek Macedonia to see what the area is really like.

catgeorge

04-28-2021, 09:10 PM

JohnnyP

04-28-2021, 09:15 PM

All these distances are super close to me

Distance to: Sarakatsani
2.66373798 Greek_West_Macedonia_avg
3.19806191 GreeceNE284
3.65603610 Florina_West_Macedonia
3.69912152 East_Rumelia_642
3.70332283 Greek_Northeast_avg
4.06732099 East_Rumelia_650
4.10143877 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
4.12000000 Serres_Central_Macedonia
4.18982100 Florina_West_Macedonia
4.28504376 Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP15
4.36548966 Macedonia:Macedonia_675
4.55157116 Macedonia:Macedonia_681
4.79341215 GreeceMaced3
4.81205777 aromanian5
4.85897108 GreeceNE162
5.06638925 Greek_Thessaloniki_GREEKGRALPOP8
5.24700867 Greek_Central_Macedonia_avg
5.26899421 GreeceNE144
5.28754196 Florina_West_Macedonia
5.39523864 GreeceNE59
5.57445962 aromanian8
5.67870584 Macedonia:Macedonia_674
5.76124119 Macedonia:Macedonia_678
5.76713967 aromanian_avg
5.79425578 East_Rumelia_646

Can you try also with Central Macedonians

CentralMacedonian,23.4,17.66,22.46,10.96,21.79,0.6 1,0,0,1.28,1.39,0.45,0,0
CentralMacedonian,24.95,18.23,16.98,11.13,23.42,2. 32,0.24,0.65,0.42,1.29,0,0.3,0.05
CentralMacedonian,26.15,19.03,19.35,11.39,21.87,0. 75,0,0.19,0,1.04,0.22,0,0
CentralMacedonian,23.08,19.92,20.01,8.89,21.14,3.8 9,0.53,0,1.03,0,1.51,0,0
CentralMacedonian,20.02,19.6,24.44,11.52,20.51,1.1 ,0.79,0,1.1,0.91,0,0,0
CentralMacedonian,24.32,19.78,19.27,11.46,21.06,2. 55,0.31,0,0,0,1.25,0,0
CentralMacedonian,21.4,19.31,21.83,13.53,18.74,3.3 6,0,0.59,0,0.93,0.31,0,0
CentralMacedonian,24.57,20.39,23.71,11.77,15.85,2. 44,1.27,0,0,0,0,0,0
CentralMacedonian,24.31,20.31,21.45,12.17,19.52,0. 53,0,0.46,0.85,0,0,0.36,0
CentralMacedonian,25.74,19.17,18.22,9.22,23.84,1.9 7,0,1.84,0,0,0,0,0
CentralMacedonian,24.87,18.4,18.76,13.55,20.15,2.5 6,0,1.07,0.17,0,0.48,0,0
CentralMacedonian,24.27,18.19,21.47,12.65,20.38,2. 18,0,0,0.17,0.6,0,0,0.09

catgeorge

04-28-2021, 09:18 PM

Can you try also with Central Macedonians

CentralMacedonian,23.4,17.66,22.46,10.96,21.79,0.6 1,0,0,1.28,1.39,0.45,0,0
CentralMacedonian,24.95,18.23,16.98,11.13,23.42,2. 32,0.24,0.65,0.42,1.29,0,0.3,0.05
CentralMacedonian,26.15,19.03,19.35,11.39,21.87,0. 75,0,0.19,0,1.04,0.22,0,0
CentralMacedonian,23.08,19.92,20.01,8.89,21.14,3.8 9,0.53,0,1.03,0,1.51,0,0
CentralMacedonian,20.02,19.6,24.44,11.52,20.51,1.1 ,0.79,0,1.1,0.91,0,0,0
CentralMacedonian,24.32,19.78,19.27,11.46,21.06,2. 55,0.31,0,0,0,1.25,0,0
CentralMacedonian,21.4,19.31,21.83,13.53,18.74,3.3 6,0,0.59,0,0.93,0.31,0,0
CentralMacedonian,24.57,20.39,23.71,11.77,15.85,2. 44,1.27,0,0,0,0,0,0
CentralMacedonian,24.31,20.31,21.45,12.17,19.52,0. 53,0,0.46,0.85,0,0,0.36,0
CentralMacedonian,25.74,19.17,18.22,9.22,23.84,1.9 7,0,1.84,0,0,0,0,0
CentralMacedonian,24.87,18.4,18.76,13.55,20.15,2.5 6,0,1.07,0.17,0,0.48,0,0
CentralMacedonian,24.27,18.19,21.47,12.65,20.38,2. 18,0,0,0.17,0.6,0,0,0.09

Not as close - first three matches aligns with bottom three matches from Greece.. so first three matches would have hightened Greek input as I score super high Greek_Athens

Distance to: Sarakatsani
5.61245935 CentralMacedonian
5.70592674 CentralMacedonian
5.95376352 CentralMacedonian
6.42858460 CentralMacedonian
6.73672769 CentralMacedonian
6.92486823 CentralMacedonian
7.30267759 CentralMacedonian
7.53998011 CentralMacedonian
7.92065023 CentralMacedonian
8.08700810 CentralMacedonian
8.90183127 CentralMacedonian
11.26391140 CentralMacedonian

Kaspias

04-28-2021, 09:22 PM

JohnnyP

04-28-2021, 10:06 PM

I find it interesting that Macedonians have higher Atlantic Med than Greeks in K12b.

https://i.ibb.co/Wcqyznm/k12batl.png

Also, in case you are interested:

https://i.ibb.co/t403Vb6/k12bne.png
https://i.ibb.co/4FxNncd/k12bcauc.png
https://i.ibb.co/LPyZwJ3/k12bswa.png

I think these Greek_Macedonian DodecadK12b are not updated , even Serbian average have more Atlanto_Med than Greek_Macedonian, and Greek_Macedonian plots really close to Bulgarian_East, as i said these references are not updated at all or are wrong, and also i guess Greek Macedonians to have more Caucasus than Atlanto_Med coz pontiaks and Turks ?

I guess Greeks from West Macedonia to have high Atlanto_Med.

catgeorge

04-28-2021, 10:15 PM

Nothing to do with North Atlantic

North_Atlantic,Baltic,West_Med,West_Asian &East_Med is all pretty much similar constant between the 15-23 range. Greeks don't spike hard in either of these

JohnnyP

04-28-2021, 10:23 PM

Nothing to do with North Atlantic

North_Atlantic,Baltic,West_Med,West_Asian &East_Med is all pretty much similar constant between the 15-23 range. Greeks don't spike hard in either of these

Nothing to do with North Atlantic

North_Atlantic,Baltic,West_Med,West_Asian &East_Med is all pretty much similar constant between the 15-23 range. Greeks don't spike hard in either of these

Macedonians from Central part and from East have high North Atlantic.

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<tbody>
Region
North Atlantic
Baltic

Central
23.4
17.66

Central
24.95
18.23

Central
26.15
19.03

Central
23.08
19.92

Central
20.02
19.6

Central
24.32
19.78

Central
21.4
19.31

Central
24.57
20.39

Central
24.31
20.31

Central
25.74
19.17

Central
24.87
18.4

Central
24.27
18.19

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
<tbody>
Eastern Region
29.57
22.12

Eastern Region
24.71
21.04

Eastern Region
23.34
19.96

Eastern Region
24.55
21.43

Eastern Region
26.57
17.40

</tbody>

</google-sheets-html-origin>

catgeorge

04-28-2021, 10:39 PM

Macedonians from Central part and from East have high North Atlantic.

<google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
<tbody>
Region
North Atlantic
Baltic

Central
23.4
17.66

Central
24.95
18.23

Central
26.15
19.03

Central
23.08
19.92

Central
20.02
19.6

Central
24.32
19.78

Central
21.4
19.31

Central
24.57
20.39

Central
24.31
20.31

Central
25.74
19.17

Central
24.87
18.4

Central
24.27
18.19

</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
<tbody>
Eastern Region
29.57
22.12

Eastern Region
24.71
21.04

Eastern Region
23.34
19.96

Eastern Region
24.55
21.43

Eastern Region
26.57
17.40

</tbody>

</google-sheets-html-origin>

Most of those would come under the Greek range but alot of those are too high for Greeks - geographically we should have nothing to do with them.

Kaspias

04-28-2021, 11:32 PM

I think these Greek_Macedonian DodecadK12b are not updated , even Serbian average have more Atlanto_Med than Greek_Macedonian, and Greek_Macedonian plots really close to Bulgarian_East, as i said these references are not updated at all or are wrong, and also i guess Greek Macedonians to have more Caucasus than Atlanto_Med coz pontiaks and Turks ?

I guess Greeks from West Macedonia to have high Atlanto_Med.

Greek_Macedonia is Greeks from an article, labeled as such.

Greeks from Western Macedonia have high Atlanto Med and lesser North European. Caucasus score in Dodecad K12b is not exactly the same as West Asian in Eurogenes K13 and possibly covers a degree of EEF admixture, too. It seems that's why Greeks are scoring higher.

Coolguy1

04-29-2021, 12:31 AM

There should be two categories for Greek Macedonians. One for those of a Slavic speaking background, and another for those of a Greek speaking background, who hail from the regions of Grevena, Pieria, Imathia, Chalkidiki, etc. The label "Greek_Macedonia" means almost nothing if you dont know where exactly the samples are from.

paradox

05-03-2021, 12:54 PM

that doesn't mean much.
in k13, individuals can range +-5 from the average in each component, and still be pure members of that population with no foreign ancestry.

your dad has much less than 5 differnce with each component from Johnny's average:

paradox father25.9523.5616.119.7219.353.09001.20.270.530.2 10
Macedonian average22.1421.1820.0211.0321.552.240.250.340.430. 380.350.040.06
difference3.812.383.911.312.20.850.250.340.770.110 .180.170.06

there is just a very big number of southern Balkan(Albanian, Macedonian, Greek) averages in the sheet, which are all very similar to each other, and your father is by accident closer to some than the other.

the best way to check the validity of averages is to check how multiple independent sources align. johnnyP is one source.

You could make 3 Macedonian k13 averages from another 3 independent sources and compare them:
1 k13 results of Macedonian apricity members: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?327894-Modeling-yourself-with-other-Apricity-members-using-vahaduo-eurogenes-k13
2 the k13 results of these Macedonians https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?264994-Macedonian-Gedmatch-kits-and-their-placement-on-the-map
3 Macedonian k13 results posted on Anthrogenica, Eupedia and Apricity (except those posted in this thread), search on google for example "Eupedia Macedonian Eurogenes results" you should find a dozen of them.

I don't have time for this now, but you could run this study.Thanks! I have been finding results but i definately appreciate the additional links.

JohnnyP

05-05-2021, 09:49 PM

Macedonian from Galichnik
https://i.imgur.com/z9F6dRy.png

https://i.imgur.com/n8rvHSD.png

https://i.imgur.com/i9eZ5RE.png

Varda

05-05-2021, 10:06 PM

Macedonian from Galichnik

Mijak, nice.

Crn Volk

05-05-2021, 11:44 PM

Mijak, nice.

Yes, like the guy in my avatar :thumb001:

JohnnyP

05-09-2021, 06:55 PM

Macedonian from Kavadarci (Central-Vardar region)

https://i.imgur.com/Yd3i4a5.png

Macedonian from Skopje-Kumanovo (Northeast region)

https://i.imgur.com/9Fe3Mdj.png

JohnnyP

05-20-2021, 03:24 PM

Macedonian k15 averages from 60 kits,

Macedonian(n=60),14.55,15.12,13.91,7.71,16.10,10.8 3,18.68,2.28,0.13,0.13,0.11,0.20,0.22,0.02,0.01
Macedonian_Central&South(n=30),14.53,14.93,13.21,6.30,16.50,10.70,20. 69,2.27,0.12,0.10,0.14,0.25,0.23,0.02,0.01
Macedonian_North(n=20),13.86,15.37,15.21,8.36,15.3 7,11.27,17.66,2.19,0.17,0.13,0.05,0.11,0.20,0.04,0 .01
Macedonian_East(n=10),17.10,15.31,13.33,7.73,16.43 ,10.01,16.54,2.65,0.08,0.25,0.15,0.19,0.22,0.00,0. 00

Target: Macedonian(n=60)
Distance: 0.6145% / 0.61447016 | R2P
58.2 Albanian-Kosovo
41.8 Bulgarian

Target: Macedonian_Central&South(n=30)
Distance: 1.1635% / 1.16347286 | R2P
92.7 Albanian-North
7.3 Lithuanian

Target: Macedonian_North(n=20)
Distance: 0.9472% / 0.94717813 | R2P
60.3 Bulgarian
39.7 Kosovo_Albanian

Target: Macedonian_East(n=10)
Distance: 1.0964% / 1.09643103 | R2P
76.7 Albanian-Kosovo
23.3 Croat_Bosnia

https://i.imgur.com/nr1o4H4.jpg

Kaspias

05-20-2021, 03:32 PM

Macedonian from Kavadarci (Central-Vardar region)

https://i.imgur.com/Yd3i4a5.png

Macedonian from Skopje-Kumanovo (Northeast region)

https://i.imgur.com/9Fe3Mdj.png

That East Eurasian in the 2nd.

JohnnyP

05-20-2021, 03:39 PM

That East Eurasian in the 2nd.

This is highest Siberian I ever seen :D He is half from Kumanovo ( I quess because of Kumani ) :D

Leto

05-20-2021, 03:48 PM

That East Eurasian in the 2nd.
Dodecad gives him only half of that

Gedrosia 5.2 Pct
Siberian 1.37 Pct
Northwest_African 1.75 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 26.48 Pct
North_European 34.08 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.88 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 26.24 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Don't know why and which component may have sucked it in.

Leto

05-20-2021, 03:50 PM

Johnny, do you have any Roma/Gypsy/Tzigane examples from Macedonia?

JohnnyP

05-20-2021, 04:07 PM

Dodecad gives him only half of that

Gedrosia 5.2 Pct
Siberian 1.37 Pct
Northwest_African 1.75 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 26.48 Pct
North_European 34.08 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.88 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 26.24 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Don't know why and which component may have sucked it in.

This is his elaborating about his ancestry, I'm 3/4 macedonian northeast part Kumanovo/Skopje and 1/4 serbian (east Kosovo). Born in Skopje, Macedonia.

Kosovo is close to Kumanovo so I didn't mentioned 1/4 Serbian.

JohnnyP

05-23-2021, 01:41 PM

Macedonian from East, direct descendant from Gjergj Skenderbeg (Aleksander - Iskender) , y-dna EV-13,

https://i.imgur.com/WXV15VO.png

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

<tbody>
#

Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance

1

76.5%
Bulgarian
+
23.5%
Spanish_Galicia
@
2.51

2

88%
Romanian
+
12%
Sardinian
@
2.55

3

77%
Bulgarian
+
23%
Spanish_Extremadura
@
2.58

4

79.8%
Bulgarian
+
20.2%
Spanish_Cantabria
@
2.58

5

86.6%
Bulgarian
+
13.4%
French_Basque
@
2.6

6

79.4%
Bulgarian
+
20.6%
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
@
2.62

7

80.3%
Bulgarian
+
19.7%
Southwest_French
@
2.62

8

81.7%
Bulgarian
+
18.3%
Spanish_Aragon
@
2.74

9

78.9%
Bulgarian
+
21.1%
Spanish_Andalucia
@
2.77

10

78.6%
Bulgarian
+
21.4%
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
@
2.82

11

53.1%
Tuscan
+
46.9%
Moldavian
@
2.82

12

76.7%
Bulgarian
+
23.3%
Portuguese
@
2.87

13

78.8%
Bulgarian
+
21.2%
Spanish_Murcia
@
2.94

14

78.6%
Bulgarian
+
21.4%
Spanish_Cataluna
@
3.06

15

79.2%
Bulgarian
+
20.8%
Spanish_Valencia
@
3.06

16

72.2%
Romanian
+
27.8%
North_Italian
@
3.07

17

69.6%
Bulgarian
+
30.4%
North_Italian
@
3.22

18

82.6%
Romanian
+
17.4%
Spanish_Andalucia
@
3.42

19

81.3%
Romanian
+
18.7%
Spanish_Extremadura
@
3.44

20

57.5%
Tuscan
+
42.5%
Croatian
@
3.54

</tbody>

JohnnyP

05-26-2021, 09:44 PM

My friend Macedonian from Kumanovo got his G25 coordinates but from IllustrativeDNA, Idk if they are legit and same like original ones from Davidski ?

Filip_scaled,0.12862,0.14319,0.020742,-0.008398,0.023389,0.002789,0.00893,-0.003231,0.001636,0.008565,0.00341,0.00015,0.00044 6,0.012524,-0.015065,-0.013259,-0.003129,0.003294,0.000377,-0.003752,-0.009858,-0.004328,-0.002465,-0.006386,0.003832
Filip,0.0113,0.0141,0.0055,-0.0026,0.0076,0.001,0.0038,-0.0014,0.0008,0.0047,0.0021,0.0001,0.0003,0.0091,-0.0111,-0.01,-0.0024,0.0026,0.0003,-0.003,-0.0079,-0.0035,-0.002,-0.0053,0.0032

It shows on averages Gagauz like first with scaled, strange ,I'm aware that Gagauz people have lot of Paleo Balkanic dna, but on another Gedmatch calculators doesn't shows any turkic, What you think this is legit?

<tbody>
Distance to:
Filip_scaled

0.02387755
Gagauz

0.02417343
Greek_Macedonia

0.02790598
Bulgarian

0.02894101
Greek_Central_Macedonia

0.03112802
Rumelia_East

0.03136467
Macedonian:Northwest

0.03154156
Albanian

0.03197635
Macedonian:East2

0.03229178
Greek_Thessaly

0.03305789
Macedonian:Pelagonia1

</tbody>

Individual

<tbody>
Distance to:
Filip_scaled

0.02220982
Albanian:AL82

0.02580406
Gagauz:GAG-220

0.02641352
Greek_Macedonia:674

0.02650392
Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11

0.02679087
Greek_Macedonia:683

0.02719311
Bulgarian:BulgarianH2

0.02757712
Moldovan:MOL-024

0.02865876
Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP11

0.02867614
Gagauz:GAG-187

0.02893933
Albanian:ALB202

</tbody>

<body id="cke_pastebin" style="position: absolute; top: 0px; width: 1px; height: 1px; overflow: hidden; left: -1000px;">
<tbody>
Target: Filip_scaled
Distance: 1.8666% / 0.01866569 | ADC: 0.25x RC

80.2
Greek_Macedonia

12.2
Russian_Smolensk

7.6
Italian_Lombardy

</tbody>
</body>

GalenStark

05-26-2021, 11:58 PM

JohnnyP

05-27-2021, 02:30 PM

Calma man , His family are Macedonians from Albania last 200 years they migrated to east part of Macedonia, their family historically are from same tribe like Gjegj Kastriot Skenderbeg and were closely related , surname of this guy is Drekalski , this is family history which they kept from knee to knee , I will not posting non-sense for sure, I know in general that people here are skeptical.
Btw in those times, modern Albanian territory was called Macedonia too.

vbnetkhio

05-29-2021, 03:08 PM

All results;
https://i.imgur.com/0PwcrTe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/FKKgxqx.jpg

you have 2 duplicates here. the first one in West is he same as the second one in Southwest, and the second in West is the same as the first in Northwest.

vbnetkhio

05-29-2021, 03:09 PM

bump

vbnetkhio

05-29-2021, 03:12 PM

bump 3

vbnetkhio

05-29-2021, 03:13 PM

bump 4

vbnetkhio

05-29-2021, 03:13 PM

bump 5

vbnetkhio

05-29-2021, 03:14 PM

bump 6

vbnetkhio

05-29-2021, 03:15 PM

bump 7

vbnetkhio

05-29-2021, 03:18 PM

All results;
https://i.imgur.com/0PwcrTe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/FKKgxqx.jpg

there are 2 duplicates here. the first one in West is he same as the second one in Southwest, and the second in West is the same as the first in Northwest.

vbnetkhio

05-29-2021, 03:47 PM

Macedonian account with multiple kits.
These are the ancestral surnames listed for NX5978002 : Jankovski / Stojkovski / Stojanovski / Stanoevski

HP119148621.121.8919.0110.9922.124.890000000
EF628135025.722.0616.519.6722.912.4100.3700.2400.1 30
PG681057126.0322.617.7310.3821.011.020001000.23
NX597800226.1528.8117.185.317.722.240.240.511.090. 76000
WC322635926.5529.8915.577.4514.52.561.17001.201.12 0

another one:
CE8882696 is half from Ohrid/Bitola region, half from northeast/Kochani region. the other one is his mother or daughter.
SA483484021.9221.719.2611.2522.762.14000.710.080.1 700
CE888269623.7719.8520.4810.9822.640.16000.371.410. 3400

another one, surnames:
/ Bocevski / Bangieva / Bangiev / Dumova / Dumov / Dervishova / Dervishov / Stojova / Stojov - according to forebears.io, all these are mostly Macedonian.
TG779398721.7829.7916.5710.5217.171.422.220.140.37 0000

Macedonian/Bulgarian from Greek Macedonia:
Aegoff (Macedonia/Greece) / Agimitzeff (Macedonia/Greece) / Guscoff/Gaskas (Macedonia/Canada/USA) / Shuparoff (Macedonia/Greece) / Yoncheff (Macedonia) / Zrinkovi/Zerencheff (Macedonia/Greece)
A87208917.1221.2623.1913.120.692.95000.870.71000.0 9
A73542722.3919.0920.3711.322.762.82000.810.46000

vbnetkhio

05-29-2021, 04:04 PM

There were more kits but unfortunately are deleted.

some went back online after the privacy rules changed. I checked all of them, here are the results:

_A02488221.1226.4616.7212.3318.392.290.930.75000.8 20.20
Sveti Nikole/SkopjeA68747123.326.3119.2910.9616.621.441.5400.09 00.4500
H72465923.6125.9917.6311.218.590.6800.710.530.560. 500
ŠtipXM581019716.9525.7519.658.4925.641.7501.770000 0
H64274922.9925.3719.996.1721.831.271.3900.50.090.4 00
Kumanovo+OhridKB408172323.5225.1316.848.8920.612.9 601.420.560000
H24083021.9124.5920.358.5720.671.670.450.081.0400. 6700
T17968020.0424.4117.812.8220.643.0600.55000.6900
LerinA64281516.5823.4218.8214.4923.780.8801.480.25 00.1200.18
M57055521.621.2117.8911.8724.811.0500.261.120.2000
M31337521.721.1717.8511.8324.87100.271.10.2000
A71000427.2220.4717.5713.1217.721.0402.0800000.78
A92661323.0819.9220.018.8921.143.890.5301.0301.510 0
M74361623.7719.7419.3210.6522.830.720.990.8700.830 0.270
H60254926.5717.419.0910.3219.864.940001.080.7500

JohnnyP

05-29-2021, 06:04 PM

H
some went back online after the privacy rules changed. I checked all of them, here are the results:

<tbody>
_
A024882
21.12
26.46
16.72
12.33
18.39
2.29
0.93
0.75
0
0
0.82
0.2
0

Sveti Nikole/Skopje
A687471
23.3
26.31
19.29
10.96
16.62
1.44
1.54
0
0.09
0
0.45
0
0

H724659
23.61
25.99
17.63
11.2
18.59
0.68
0
0.71
0.53
0.56
0.5
0
0

Štip
XM5810197
16.95
25.75
19.65
8.49
25.64
1.75
0
1.77
0
0
0
0
0

H642749
22.99
25.37
19.99
6.17
21.83
1.27
1.39
0
0.5
0.09
0.4
0
0

Kumanovo+Ohrid
KB4081723
23.52
25.13
16.84
8.89
20.61
2.96
0
1.42
0.56
0
0
0
0

H240830
21.91
24.59
20.35
8.57
20.67
1.67
0.45
0.08
1.04
0
0.67
0
0

T179680
20.04
24.41
17.8
12.82
20.64
3.06
0
0.55
0
0
0.69
0
0

Lerin
A642815
16.58
23.42
18.82
14.49
23.78
0.88
0
1.48
0.25
0
0.12
0
0.18

M570555
21.6
21.21
17.89
11.87
24.81
1.05
0
0.26
1.12
0.2
0
0
0

M313375
21.7
21.17
17.85
11.83
24.87
1
0
0.27
1.1
0.2
0
0
0

A710004
27.22
20.47
17.57
13.12
17.72
1.04
0
2.08
0
0
0
0
0.78

A926613
23.08
19.92
20.01
8.89
21.14
3.89
0.53
0
1.03
0
1.51
0
0

M743616
23.77
19.74
19.32
10.65
22.83
0.72
0.99
0.87
0
0.83
0
0.27
0

H602549
26.57
17.4
19.09
10.32
19.86
4.94
0
0
0
1.08
0.75
0
0

</tbody>

Half of them are mixed regions , I'm deciding where i will put them . I'm creating regional averages where is more compatible, i can't put northeast / Southwest kit at Northeast region when this kit is match for South or Central region.All of these kits you posted are not full Macedonians , I mentioned few times, i will post only Macedonian kits, you have emails, you can ask any of these kits if they are full Macedonian or mixed.
Pain in a*s haha

JohnnyP

05-29-2021, 06:13 PM

some went back online after the privacy rules changed. I checked all of them, here are the results:

<tbody>
_
A024882
21.12
26.46
16.72
12.33
18.39
2.29
0.93
0.75
0
0
0.82
0.2
0

Sveti Nikole/Skopje
A687471
23.3
26.31
19.29
10.96
16.62
1.44
1.54
0
0.09
0
0.45
0
0

H724659
23.61
25.99
17.63
11.2
18.59
0.68
0
0.71
0.53
0.56
0.5
0
0

Štip
XM5810197
16.95
25.75
19.65
8.49
25.64
1.75
0
1.77
0
0
0
0
0

H642749
22.99
25.37
19.99
6.17
21.83
1.27
1.39
0
0.5
0.09
0.4
0
0

Kumanovo+Ohrid
KB4081723
23.52
25.13
16.84
8.89
20.61
2.96
0
1.42
0.56
0
0
0
0

H240830
21.91
24.59
20.35
8.57
20.67
1.67
0.45
0.08
1.04
0
0.67
0
0

T179680
20.04
24.41
17.8
12.82
20.64
3.06
0
0.55
0
0
0.69
0
0

Lerin
A642815
16.58
23.42
18.82
14.49
23.78
0.88
0
1.48
0.25
0
0.12
0
0.18

M570555
21.6
21.21
17.89
11.87
24.81
1.05
0
0.26
1.12
0.2
0
0
0

M313375
21.7
21.17
17.85
11.83
24.87
1
0
0.27
1.1
0.2
0
0
0

A710004
27.22
20.47
17.57
13.12
17.72
1.04
0
2.08
0
0
0
0
0.78

A926613
23.08
19.92
20.01
8.89
21.14
3.89
0.53
0
1.03
0
1.51
0
0

M743616
23.77
19.74
19.32
10.65
22.83
0.72
0.99
0.87
0
0.83
0
0.27
0

H602549
26.57
17.4
19.09
10.32
19.86
4.94
0
0
0
1.08
0.75
0
0

</tbody>

A024882 - Mother of his Mother is from Croatia
H724659 - Grandfather from Blagoevgrad Bulgaria,
KB4081723 - Vicky grandmother from Vranje
T179680 - From Skopje . she is posted here.

JohnnyP

05-29-2021, 06:16 PM

Macedonian account with multiple kits.
These are the ancestral surnames listed for NX5978002 : Jankovski / Stojkovski / Stojanovski / Stanoevski

<tbody>
HP1191486
21.1
21.89
19.01
10.99
22.12
4.89
0
0
0
0
0
0
0

EF6281350
25.7
22.06
16.51
9.67
22.91
2.41
0
0.37
0
0.24
0
0.13
0

PG6810571
26.03
22.6
17.73
10.38
21.01
1.02
0
0
0
1
0
0
0.23

NX5978002
26.15
28.81
17.18
5.3
17.72
2.24
0.24
0.51
1.09
0.76
0
0
0

WC3226359
26.55
29.89
15.57
7.45
14.5
2.56
1.17
0
0
1.2
0
1.12
0

</tbody>

another one:
CE8882696 is half from Ohrid/Bitola region, half from northeast/Kochani region. the other one is his mother or daughter.

<tbody>
SA4834840
21.92
21.7
19.26
11.25
22.76
2.14
0
0
0.71
0.08
0.17
0
0

CE8882696
23.77
19.85
20.48
10.98
22.64
0.16
0
0
0.37
1.41
0.34
0
0

</tbody>

another one, surnames:
/ Bocevski / Bangieva / Bangiev / Dumova / Dumov / Dervishova / Dervishov / Stojova / Stojov - according to forebears.io, all these are mostly Macedonian.

<tbody>
TG7793987
21.78
29.79
16.57
10.52
17.17
1.42
2.22
0.14
0.37
0
0
0
0

</tbody>

Macedonian/Bulgarian from Greek Macedonia:
Aegoff (Macedonia/Greece) / Agimitzeff (Macedonia/Greece) / Guscoff/Gaskas (Macedonia/Canada/USA) / Shuparoff (Macedonia/Greece) / Yoncheff (Macedonia) / Zrinkovi/Zerencheff (Macedonia/Greece)

<tbody>
A872089
17.12
21.26
23.19
13.1
20.69
2.95
0
0
0.87
0.71
0
0
0.09

A735427
22.39
19.09
20.37
11.3
22.76
2.82
0
0
0.81
0.46
0
0
0

</tbody>

NX5978002 - Shipinovska half Serbian , they are from Northeast,
WC3226359 - Same

JohnnyP

05-29-2021, 06:32 PM

[QUOTE=vbnetkhio;7210405]
I will start to posting conversations with owners because of people here,

https://i.imgur.com/0mretg4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/WBs0ozB.jpg

I dont have time now , but till tommorow i will post all conversations with owners, jeez..

vbnetkhio

05-29-2021, 06:33 PM

NX5978002 - Shipinovska half Serbian , they are from Northeast,
WC3226359 - Same

it's Sipinkoski.

do you know she has Serbian ancestry, or you're just guessing based on the results? where is her Serbian ancestry from?
She has only Macedonian surnames listed, and her matches are mostly Bulgarians and Macedonians, so she could have some ancestry from Bulgaria if anything.

JohnnyP

05-29-2021, 06:38 PM

it's Sipinkoski.

do you know she has Serbian ancestry, or you're just guessing based on the results? where is her Serbian ancestry from?
She has only Macedonian surnames listed, and her matches are mostly Bulgarians and Macedonians, so she could have some ancestry from Bulgaria if anything.
Yes i Know i will post conversation with her, there is no difference because of surname her mother side is Serbian, she didn't classify from where, she lives in Kriva Palanaka northeast part.

I already started with convesations , I will send you PM.
What a fanatics , anti-Makedonians, at the end of the day i think you are right, thats why you banned from every legit site for Genetics.

JohnnyP

05-29-2021, 06:55 PM

Robert StojanovSKI one of "Macedonian ACADEMIC samples"
https://i.imgur.com/ernEyVA.jpg

Stefan559

05-29-2021, 06:57 PM

Sipinkoski or Sipinkovski as a surname exist only in southwest part of the country, not in northeast or other part of the country.

vbnetkhio

05-29-2021, 07:12 PM

Sipinkoski or Sipinkovski as a surname exist only in southwest part of the country, not in northeast or other part of the country.

Sipinkoski is probably her husband's surname, and Jankovski / Stojkovski / Stojanovski / Stanoevski are of her 4 grandparents.

Leto

05-29-2021, 07:15 PM

I thought North Macedonia had chiefly Bulgarian-style surnames and not Polish/Jewish-like ones. Ethnic Russians also have -sky/skaya surnames occasionally. Some may be Russified Polish names though.

CommonSense

05-30-2021, 04:04 PM

Sipinkoski is probably her husband's surname, and Jankovski / Stojkovski / Stojanovski / Stanoevski are of her 4 grandparents.

Those surnames in an -ić form would be Janković, Stojković, Stojanović, Stanojević, all very common in southern Serbia and Kosovo. Perhaps the woman is from Skopska Crna Gora?

vbnetkhio

05-30-2021, 04:56 PM

Those surnames in an -ić form would be Janković, Stojković, Stojanović, Stanojević, all very common in southern Serbia and Kosovo. Perhaps the woman is from Skopska Crna Gora?

Johnny says she's from Kriva Palanka and it seems realistic since her first page of matches is mostly with .bg emails, and only one with an -ovski surname.

CommonSense

05-30-2021, 05:15 PM

Johnny says she's from Kriva Palanka and it seems realistic since her first page of matches is mostly with .bg emails, and only one with an -ovski surname.

Do we have any other results from that municipality?

CommonSense

06-01-2021, 09:46 PM

Ion Basescul

06-04-2021, 01:53 PM

From Skopje and Stip

North_Atlantic 26.42 Pct
Baltic 19.01 Pct
West_Med 20.44 Pct
West_Asian 10.20 Pct
East_Med 21.83 Pct
Red_Sea 0.73 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.10 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.08 Pct
Oceanian 0.18 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

K13 Updated

Target: Bojan
Distance: 1.8369% / 1.83693726 | R2P
53.2 Italian_Friuli_VG
46.8 Greek_Northern-Thrace

Distance to: Bojan
5.20386395 Macedonian
5.44240756 Macedonian_South
5.49024590 Albanian_Gheg
5.54140776 Macedonian_North
5.95225167 Albanian
5.95469563 Torbesh_average
6.32389911 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
7.27147853 Albanian_Tosk
7.28290636 Greek_Thessaly
7.35196572 Bosniak_Sandzak

Source (https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?22695-Single-thread-for-G25-modelling-requests&p=775673&viewfull=1#post775673)

JohnnyP

06-05-2021, 07:36 PM

https://i.imgur.com/wWSU8vU.png
https://i.imgur.com/FDPnc2l.png
https://i.imgur.com/5tJvKuI.png

JohnnyP

07-04-2021, 01:56 PM

Two new G25 Macedonian results

Hristina(Ohrid-Southwest)_scaled,0.130897,0.144205,0.026776,-0.011305,0.023389,0.001116,0.0047,0.007384,-0.001432,0.015855,0.005521,0.007943,-0.008474,0.01445,-0.022258,-0.001326,0.00352,0.003674,-0.001634,-0.002501,-0.000499,-0.000742,0.001109,-0.00482,-0.001197
Angela(Kicevo-West)_scaled,0.121791,0.144205,0.017725,-0.002584,0.02185,0,0.005875,0.000692,0.005931,0.00 8565,0.004547,0.002098,-0.003271,0.015827,-0.016286,-0.005038,0.007041,-0.003674,0.005531,-0.010755,-0.003244,-0.001607,0.001109,-0.004338,-0.010059

Hristina(Ohrid-Southwest),0.0115,0.0142,0.0071,-0.0035,0.0076,0.0004,0.002,0.0032,-0.0007,0.0087,0.0034,0.0053,-0.0057,0.0105,-0.0164,-0.001,0.0027,0.0029,-0.0013,-0.002,-0.0004,-0.0006,0.0009,-0.004,-0.001
Angela(Kicevo-West),0.0107,0.0142,0.0047,-0.0008,0.0071,0,0.0025,0.0003,0.0029,0.0047,0.0028 ,0.0014,-0.0022,0.0115,-0.012,-0.0038,0.0054,-0.0029,0.0044,-0.0086,-0.0026,-0.0013,0.0009,-0.0036,-0.0084

Distance to: Hristina(Ohrid-Southwest)_scaled
0.02682072 Greek_Macedonia
0.02777628 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02802000 Albanian
0.02867716 Rumelia_East
0.03019824 Bulgarian
0.03060573 Gagauz
0.03093153 Greek_Thessaly
0.03125144 Macedonian:Northwest
0.03229326 Macedonian:Pelagonia1
0.03266149 Macedonian:East2
0.03501452 Romanian
0.03501711 Macedonian:Southeast
0.03538440 Swiss_Italian
0.03573889 Italian_Northeast
0.03598173 Italian_Veneto
0.03607707 Macedonian:East1
0.03726271 Italian_Piedmont
0.03768993 Macedonian:Central
0.03816999 Greek_Peloponnese
0.03996111 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04080546 Italian_Bergamo
0.04120613 Montenegrin
0.04159871 Italian_Tuscany
0.04216675 Serbian
0.04281455 Italian_Liguria

Distance to: Angela(Kicevo-West)_scaled
0.02332124 Greek_Macedonia
0.02403932 Gagauz
0.02462872 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02471585 Bulgarian
0.02507885 Macedonian:Pelagonia1
0.02552097 Albanian
0.02626602 Rumelia_East
0.02808523 Macedonian:Central
0.02878769 Macedonian:Northwest
0.02969256 Greek_Thessaly
0.03001451 Macedonian:East2
0.03098385 Macedonian:Southeast
0.03156587 Romanian
0.03565210 Greek_Peloponnese
0.03651616 Macedonian:East1
0.03746982 Swiss_Italian
0.03763631 Italian_Northeast
0.03884005 Italian_Piedmont
0.03902470 Serbian
0.03906265 Montenegrin
0.03913906 Italian_Veneto
0.04190488 Italian_Tuscany
0.04268295 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04372433 Italian_Liguria
0.04440049 Italian_Marche

Target: Hristina(Ohrid-Southwest)_scaled
Distance: 2.2830% / 0.02283030 | R2P
55.6 Greek_Macedonia
44.4 Macedonian

Target: Angela(Kicevo-West)_scaled
Distance: 1.8282% / 0.01828197 | R2P
88.2 Greek_Macedonia
11.8 Russian_Smolensk

JohnnyP

07-04-2021, 02:10 PM

Here's also one more Macedonian with strange distance, he is from Skopje and Shtip.

Bojan_scaled,0.126344,0.14319,0.028661,-0.005168,0.029236,0.001673,0.00188,0.002308,-0.003068,0.018041,-0.001624,0.002248,-0.010704,0.010597,-0.020494,0.020551,0.039115,-0.006968,0.017346,-0.010505,-0.036186,0.002968,0.008504,0.021208,0.023591

Bojan,0.0111,0.0141,0.0076,-0.0016,0.0095,0.0006,0.0008,0.001,-0.0015,0.0099,-0.001,0.0015,-0.0072,0.0077,-0.0151,0.0155,0.03,-0.0055,0.0138,-0.0084,-0.029,0.0024,0.0069,0.0176,0.0197

<tbody>
Distance to:
Bojan_scaled

0.05691354
Macedonian:Southeast

0.06179900
Macedonian:East1

0.06333514
Greek_Central_Macedonia

0.06491536
Macedonian:Pelagonia1

0.06493418
Macedonian:Northwest

0.06542850
Albanian

0.06542930
Macedonian:East2

0.06547194
Rumelia_East

0.06553290
Macedonian:Central

0.06603740
Montenegrin

0.06661498
Romanian

0.06758440
Italian_Northeast

0.06824841
Bulgarian

0.07065524
Swiss_Italian

0.07065626
Greek_Macedonia

0.07124570
Greek_Thessaly

0.07125967
Gagauz

0.07134640
Serbian

0.07173613
Italian_Veneto

0.07178517
Greek_Peloponnese

0.07423421
Italian_Piedmont

0.07505166
Italian_Tuscany

0.07538956
Italian_Bergamo

0.07553700
Greek_Laconia

0.07563954
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige

</tbody>

Individual

<tbody>
Distance to:
Bojan_scaled

0.05283769
Italian_Northeast:KF2700922

0.05481495
Greek_Macedonia:676

0.05615279
Montenegrin:Montenegro1

0.05651425
Albanian:AL12

0.05691354
Macedonian:Southeast

0.05698358
Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34

0.05699750
Serbian:727

0.05722891
Rumelia_East:645

0.05962512
Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11

0.05980516
Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8

0.06094633
Moldovan:MOL-065

0.06104760
Albanian:ALB220

0.06117361
Romanian:G428

0.06143065
Albanian:AL98

0.06154082
Italian_Northeast:ALP093

0.06173635
Serbian:Serbian_Serbia5

0.06179900
Macedonian:East1

0.06207932
Moldovan:MOL-058

0.06211154
Italian_Northeast:ALP220

0.06261457
Rumelia_East:649

0.06271597
Bulgarian:Bulgaria1

0.06313980
Italian_Veneto:ALP378

0.06345984
Rumelia_East:648

0.06391937
Bulgarian:BulgarianD6

0.06412272
Albanian:AL29

</tbody>

JohnnyP

07-18-2021, 06:23 PM

Post from Anthrogenica, 17 Macedonian scaled G25 coordinates.

Macedonian:Central,0.126344,0.14319,0.028661,-0.005168,0.029236,0.001673,0.00188,0.002308,-0.003068,0.018041,-0.001624,0.002248,-0.010704,0.010597,-0.020494,0.020551,0.039115,-0.006968,0.017346,-0.010505,-0.036186,0.002968,0.008504,0.021208,0.023591
Macedonian:Central2,0.121791,0.150298,0.01697,-0.003553,0.020004,-0.00502,0.007285,0.003461,0.001841,0.009112,-0.008769,-0.001649,-0.004608,0.000138,-0.013301,-0.000796,0.009518,-0.003167,0.002263,-0.008629,-0.010232,0.000371,0.010969,0.002651,-0.007185
Macedonian:Pelagonia,0.122929,0.146236,0.023381,-0.006137,0.026774,-0.001116,-0.00376,-0.002077,-0.002454,0.018588,0.00065,0.001798,0.003717,0.0101 84,-0.011943,-0.008353,-0.008475,-0.000887,0.008799,-0.009004,-0.009234,0.009769,-0.000739,0.000602,-0.002395
Macedonian:Central3,0.124067,0.144205,0.015839,-0.011305,0.025235,-0.004462,0.00611,0,0.000409,0.010387,0.001137,0.00 2847,-0.002379,0.015964,-0.012215,-0.007823,-0.005215,0.003167,0.005279,-0.010505,-0.010107,0.001855,0.003574,0.001446,0
Macedonian:West,0.117238,0.136081,0.02753,0.001615 ,0 .031698,0.006693,0.0094,0.002769,-0.004295,0.007836,0.002598,0.003147,-0.004162,0.010597,-0.007736,-0.000398,0.002868,0.004181,0.005656,-0.011631,-0.00549,0.004822,-0.001109,0.001687,0.000479
Macedonian:Central4,0.133173,0.132019,0.02225,-0.001615,0.025851,-0.004741,0.006345,0.002308,-0.011249,0.012939,0.008607,0.001499,-0.006838,0.007156,-0.017372,-0.005038,0.005476,-0.006968,0.010559,-0.005753,-0.014724,0.000989,0.00493,-0.000361,-0.002634
Macedonian:Southwest,0.130897,0.144205,0.026776,-0.011305,0.023389,0.001116,0.0047,0.007384,-0.001432,0.015855,0.005521,0.007943,-0.008474,0.01445,-0.022258,-0.001326,0.00352,0.003674,-0.001634,-0.002501,-0.000499,-0.000742,0.001109,-0.00482,-0.001197
Macedonian:West2,0.121791,0.144205,0.017725,-0.002584,0.02185,0,0.005875,0.000692,0.005931,0.00 8565,0.004547,0.002098,-0.003271,0.015827,-0.016286,-0.005038,0.007041,-0.003674,0.005531,-0.010755,-0.003244,-0.001607,0.001109,-0.004338,-0.010059
Macedonian:Northeast,0.12862,0.14319,0.020742,-0.008398,0.023389,0.002789,0.00893,-0.003231,0.001636,0.008565,0.00341,0.00015,0.00044 6,0.012524,-0.015065,-0.013259,-0.003129,0.003294,0.000377,-0.003752,-0.009858,-0.004328,-0.002465,-0.006386,0.003832
Macedonian:East1,0.127482,0.137096,0.031678,-0.003553,0.032006,0.00251,-0.00094,0.000231,0.001023,0.009112,-0.001949,-0.003597,-0.001635,0.004542,-0.015065,0.004243,0.022296,0.004054,0.001383,0.001 626,-0.004118,0.006677,0.004067,0.001325,-0.007065
Macedonian:East2,0.127482,0.142174,0.033941,0.0003 23,0.034776,0.000279,0.003525,-0.000462,-0.004909,0.005103,0.001624,0.000899,-0.005203,0.011836,-0.014658,-0.004508,0.004694,0.001394,0.013198,-0.01138,-0.006738,0.00507,-0.000493,-0.001446,-0.00012
Macedonian:Northwest,0.120652,0.138112,0.026021,-0.006137,0.025543,-0.006136,0.00376,0.001615,-0.001841,0.008747,0.008931,0.002698,0.005649,0.005 918,-0.020901,-0.00305,0.014212,-0.00114,0.004274,0.001876,-0.010981,-0.006554,0.004314,-0.003615,-0.002634
Macedonian:Pelagonia2,0.121791,0.145221,0.02753,-0.003876,0.022158,0.003904,-0.001645,0.001154,-0.000205,0.006925,0.002923,0.001948,0.001784,0.006 468,-0.010179,0.002917,0.00691,0.00152,0.011564,-0.004877,-0.00861,0.000371,0.008258,-0.001325,-0.006826
Macedonian:Southeast,0.121791,0.144205,0.026398,-0.012597,0.024928,-0.005578,0.00094,-0.001846,0.001636,0.006925,-0.002923,-0.002997,-0.000595,0.011423,-0.014794,0.010607,0.013299,0.000127,0.010182,-0.006753,-0.006239,0.006677,0.007641,0.002169,-0.000958
Macedonian:Northeast2,0.119514,0.141159,0.025267,-0.002907,0.02739,0.000279,0.00235,0.004615,0.00613 6,0.013485,-0.002273,-0.006444,0.009663,0.013762,-0.008279,-0.012331,-0.017863,-0.002787,0.003268,-0.011881,0.001872,-0.003833,0.001479,-0.00723,0.000239
Macedonian:Northeast3,0.121791,0.14319,0.021873,-0.002584,0.025543,-0.003068,0.005405,0.003923,0.00409,0.009841,-0.000487,0.003147,0.001189,0.003165,-0.017915,0.003447,0.023339,0.001647,0.003142,0.002 876,-0.011854,-0.005564,0.006409,0.006627,-0.00455
Macedonian:Northeast4,0.126344,0.147252,0.017725,-0.013243,0.027697,0.004183,0.001175,-0.002077,0.000614,0.010387,-0.002598,0.001798,-0.004757,0.006744,-0.014386,-0.001591,0.007823,-0.000127,0.006285,-0.006128,-0.010107,0.000618,0.002465,0.001084,0.003712

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