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Rocinante
05-02-2020, 01:47 PM
Post influential, famous and important people that is known to belong to the R1b Y-DNA.

Rabbit Hole
05-02-2020, 01:58 PM
R1b
John Adams R1b John Quincy Adams R1b Abraham Lincoln R1b
William McKinley R1b Woodrow Wilson R1b Che Guevara R1b
Royal House of Stuart:
James I R1b- L21 Charles I R1b- L21 Charles II R1b- L21
Royal House of Saxe-Coburg Gotha:
17 more rows
Out of that either Che Guevara or LincoIn ( but only because his beard is cool )

Rocinante
05-02-2020, 01:59 PM
George Washington - R-U152

American political leader, military general, statesman, and founding father who served as the first president of the United States from 1789 to 1797.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/George_Washington_1795.jpg/1004px-George_Washington_1795.jpg

Rocinante
05-02-2020, 02:02 PM
Charles Darwin - R1b

English naturalist, geologist and biologist, best known for his contributions to the science of evolution. His proposition that all species of life have descended over time from common ancestors is now widely accepted, and considered a foundational concept in science.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Charles_Darwin_seated_crop.jpg/910px-Charles_Darwin_seated_crop.jpg

Rabbit Hole
05-02-2020, 02:12 PM
Charles Darwin - R1b

English naturalist, geologist and biologist, best known for his contributions to the science of evolution. His proposition that all species of life have descended over time from common ancestors is now widely accepted, and considered a foundational concept in science.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Charles_Darwin_seated_crop.jpg/910px-Charles_Darwin_seated_crop.jpg

I like this one more. :)

Rabbit Hole
05-02-2020, 02:14 PM
Charles Darwin - R1b

English naturalist, geologist and biologist, best known for his contributions to the science of evolution. His proposition that all species of life have descended over time from common ancestors is now widely accepted, and considered a foundational concept in science.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Charles_Darwin_seated_crop.jpg/910px-Charles_Darwin_seated_crop.jpg

I like this one more. :)

Luso
05-02-2020, 03:22 PM
Robert Downey Jr., Woodrow Wilson, and Abraham Lincoln

Rocinante
05-02-2020, 03:26 PM
Joseph Smith - R-L21

American religious leader and founder of Mormonism and the Latter Day Saint movement. When he was 24, Smith published the Book of Mormon. By the time of his death, 14 years later, he had attracted tens of thousands of followers and founded a religion that continues to the present with millions of global adherents.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Joseph_Smith%2C_Jr._portrait_owned_by_Joseph_Smith _III.jpg

Rocinante
05-02-2020, 03:31 PM
Arnold Schoenberg - R-DF27

Austrian-born composer, music theorist, teacher, writer, and painter. He is widely considered one of the most influential composers of the 20th century. He was associated with the expressionist movement in German poetry and art, and leader of the Second Viennese School.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Arnold_sch%C3%B6nberg_man_ray.jpg/906px-Arnold_sch%C3%B6nberg_man_ray.jpg

Rocinante
05-02-2020, 03:38 PM
Nicolaus Copernicus - R1b

Renaissance-era mathematician and astronomer, who formulated a model of the universe that placed the Sun rather than Earth at the center of the universe, in all likelihood independently of Aristarchus of Samos, who had formulated such a model some eighteen centuries earlier. The publication of Copernicus' model in his book De revolutionibus orbium coelestium (On the Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres), just before his death in 1543, was a major event in the history of science, triggering the Copernican Revolution and making a pioneering contribution to the Scientific Revolution.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Nikolaus_Kopernikus_2.jpg

Luso
05-02-2020, 03:43 PM
King Tut, his father, and his grandfather.

The haplogroup R1b1a2, which iGENEA claims includes King Tut, arose 9,500 years ago in the Black Sea region. How Tut's ancestors would have gotten from that region to Egypt is unknown.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/news/photos/000/128/12801.ngsversion.1421960076665.adapt.1900.1.jpg

Rocinante
05-02-2020, 03:47 PM
James VI and I - R-L21

King of Scotland as James VI from 24 July 1567 and King of England and Ireland as James I from the union of the Scottish and English crowns on 24 March 1603 until his death in 1625. The kingdoms of Scotland and England were individual sovereign states, with their own parliaments, judiciaries, and laws, though both were ruled by James in personal union.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/James_I_of_England_404446.jpg

Rocinante
05-02-2020, 04:51 PM
James K. Polk - R-U106

11th president of the United States, serving from 1845 to 1849. He previously was Speaker of the House of Representatives (1835–1839) and governor of Tennessee (1839–1841). A protégé of Andrew Jackson, he was a member of the Democratic Party and an advocate of Jacksonian democracy. Polk is chiefly known for extending the territory of the United States during the Mexican–American War; during his presidency, the United States expanded significantly with the annexation of the Republic of Texas, the Oregon Territory, and the Mexican Cession following the American victory in the Mexican–American War.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/James_Knox_Polk_by_GPA_Healy%2C_1858.jpg/910px-James_Knox_Polk_by_GPA_Healy%2C_1858.jpg

Leto
05-02-2020, 05:55 PM
I think there should have been a lot because Western whites have dominated the world in the last 500 centuries. Britain, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Holland, etc.

Rocinante
05-02-2020, 08:27 PM
Abraham Lincoln - R-U152

American statesman and lawyer who served as the 16th president of the United States (1861–1865). Lincoln led the nation through its greatest moral, constitutional, and political crisis in the American Civil War. He preserved the Union, abolished slavery, strengthened the federal government, and modernized the U.S. economy.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Abraham_Lincoln_O-77_matte_collodion_print.jpg/960px-Abraham_Lincoln_O-77_matte_collodion_print.jpg

Rocinante
05-02-2020, 08:29 PM
I think there should have been a lot because Western whites have dominated the world in the last 500 centuries. Britain, Germany, Spain, Portugal, Holland, etc.

There are a lot of I and R1a too, the contributions are great. E1b has it's contributions too.

Leto
05-02-2020, 08:33 PM
There are a lot of I and R1a too, the contributions are great. E1b has it's contributions too.
I didn't say otherwise. Though R1a is low in Western whites. Iberia, France, Italy, Britain, Ireland. It's somewhat higher in Germany and Scandinavia though. R1a (excluding the Asian branch) is a mainly Slavic, Baltic thing plus the countries that had a substatial Slavic influence (e.g. Romania, Hungary).

Rocinante
05-02-2020, 08:37 PM
I didn't say otherwise. Though R1a is low in Western whites. Iberia, France, Italy, Britain, Ireland. It's somewhat higher in Germany and Scandinavia though. R1a (excluding the Asian branch) is a mainly Slavic, Baltic thing plus the countries that had a substatial Slavic influence (e.g. Romania, Hungary).

R1a is like 25% in Norway and 20% in Germany, the Eden of the slavic R1a is Poland, is like Ireland with the R1b.

Rocinante
05-02-2020, 09:18 PM
Villabruna 1 - R1b

Significant in terms of the history of population genetics: the remains were found to carry Y-DNA haplogroup R1b1a-L754* (xL389,V88). This is the oldest documented example of haplogroup R1b in Western Europe. The excellent preservation of the Villabruna 1 skeleton helped to thoroughly investigate various aspects of skeletal biology, such as body size, craniofacial morphology, tooth wear, functional anatomy, and nutritional and pathological aspects. Comparing Villabruna 1 and similar finds with today's people widened the understanding of biocultural adjustments, the living conditions and survival strategies of the Paleolithic population of Europe.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Giuseppe_Vercellotti/publication/40027808/figure/fig4/AS:668731810254854@1536449496392/The-Late-Upper-Paleolithic-burial-Villabruna-1-Photograph-by-and-courtesy-of-A.ppm

Rocinante
05-03-2020, 07:38 AM
Jacksepticeye - R-L21

Seán William McLoughlin. Irish YouTuber and actor, best known for his vlogs and comedic Let's Play series. As of March 2020, his channel has over 12 billion views and over 23 million subscribers, and is ranked the most-subscribed channel in Ireland. McLoughlin has participated in fundraisers that have raised millions of US dollars for charity.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Jacksepticeye_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/802px-Jacksepticeye_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg

Rocinante
05-03-2020, 07:55 AM
Daniel Howell - R1b

English YouTuber and presenter. He is best known for his YouTube channels Daniel Howell (formerly known as danisnotonfire), which has reached over six million subscribers, and DanAndPhilGAMES. Together with frequent collaborator and best friend Phil Lester, Howell presented Sunday night entertainment show Dan and Phil on BBC Radio 1 from January 2013 until August 2014, and presented the station's Internet Takeover slot from September 2014 until April 2016.

https://youngminds.org.uk/media/1772/dan-howell-youtube-event.jpg?anchor=center&mode=crop&width=1050&quality=80&heightratio=0.5625&rnd=131574628210000000

Rocinante
05-03-2020, 07:58 AM
Kevin Bacon - R1b

American actor and musician. His films include musical-drama film Footloose (1984), the controversial historical conspiracy legal thriller JFK (1991), the legal drama A Few Good Men (1992), the historical docudrama Apollo 13 (1995), and the mystery drama Mystic River (2003). Bacon is also known for taking on darker roles such as that of a sadistic guard in Sleepers (1996) and troubled former child abuser in The Woodsman (2004). He is also known for the hit comedies National Lampoon's Animal House (1978), Diner (1982), Tremors (1990) and Crazy, Stupid, Love (2011). His other well known films are Friday the 13th (1980), Flatliners (1990), The River Wild (1994), Wild Things (1998), Stir of Echoes (1999), Hollow Man (2000), Frost/Nixon (2008), X-Men: First Class (2011), Black Mass (2015) and Patriots Day (2016). He is equally prolific on television, having starred in the Fox drama series The Following (2013–2015). For the HBO original film Taking Chance (2009), Bacon won a Golden Globe Award and a Screen Actors Guild Award, also receiving a Primetime Emmy Award nomination. More recently Bacon portrayed the title character and was the series lead of the Amazon Prime web television series I Love Dick for which he was nominated for a Golden Globe Award.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Kevin_Bacon_SDCC_2014.jpg/1024px-Kevin_Bacon_SDCC_2014.jpg

Rocinante
05-03-2020, 08:15 AM
Niall of the Nine Hostages - R-L21

Niall Noígíallach. Irish king, the ancestor of the Uí Néill dynasties that dominated the northern half of Ireland from the 6th to the 10th century. Irish annalistic and chronicle sources place his reign in the late 4th and early 5th centuries, although modern scholars, through critical study of the annals, date him about half a century later. He is presumed by some to have been a real person, or at the very least semi-historical but most of the information about him that has come down to us is regarded as legendary. Following a 2006 hypothesis by Moore et al. suggesting that his Y chromosomal signature had been discovered, popular science journalists and genetic testing companies began promoting the idea that millions of men alive today have an unbroken descent from Niall.

https://curiousireland.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/niall.jpg

Grace O'Malley
05-03-2020, 08:23 AM
When you think about it how many people find it strange that we descend from this mass movement of Steppe men i.e. R1b/R1a? Even my paternal ydna is from a clan that were really war lords (R-M222). I remember when I found out that my paternal ydna was from the Niall of the Nine hostages ydna and my cousin (who is a female) said that he wasn't a very nice man. :) It is obvious that in the past you had to be alpha to pass on your genes. I guess that makes for some interesting discussion about civilisations.

Mixdguy17
05-03-2020, 09:04 AM
Niall of the Nine Hostages - R-L21

Niall Noígíallach. Irish king, the ancestor of the Uí Néill dynasties that dominated the northern half of Ireland from the 6th to the 10th century. Irish annalistic and chronicle sources place his reign in the late 4th and early 5th centuries, although modern scholars, through critical study of the annals, date him about half a century later. He is presumed by some to have been a real person, or at the very least semi-historical but most of the information about him that has come down to us is regarded as legendary. Following a 2006 hypothesis by Moore et al. suggesting that his Y chromosomal signature had been discovered, popular science journalists and genetic testing companies began promoting the idea that millions of men alive today have an unbroken descent from Niall.

https://curiousireland.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/niall.jpg

Esa es la que me sale a mi en 23 and me de persona con el mismo haplogroup

JamesBond007
05-03-2020, 09:16 AM
I would guess R1b-L21 because not only has Scotland field a lot of inventors, political thinkers, scientists etc.. but so did England and R1-L21 is significant in England/Wales (no it is not all Germanic Y-dna in England) and also in parts of France and to a lesser degree the benelux region etc... Although, I have no hard statistics to back this up.

Grace O'Malley
05-03-2020, 09:17 AM
Esa es la que me sale a mi en 23 and me de persona con el mismo haplogroup

23&Me gives the Niall blurb for everyone that is M269. It is rubbish and completely misleading. M222 is the Niall ydna and 23&Me test for that so if you aren't M222 than you have no connection to Niall which is really Ui Neill. Not sure why they chose Niall of the Nine Hostages when they could have chosen any one that has R1b which is really not that informative and M269 is 10,000 years old. It is a bugbear of mine on 23&Me. :)

JamesBond007
05-03-2020, 09:38 AM
23&Me gives the Niall blurb for everyone that is M269. It is rubbish and completely misleading. M222 is the Niall ydna and 23&Me test for that so if you aren't M222 than you have no connection to Niall which is really Ui Neill. Not sure why they chose Niall of the Nine Hostages when they could have chosen any one that has R1b which is really not that informative and M269 is 10,000 years old. It is a bugbear of mine on 23&Me. :)

M222 is overrated. Z253 is probably the most geographically spread subclade of L21 you can find it even down in Switzerland. If there is a subclade of L21 that elicits memories of the Milesian legend, this is it :


In Irish origin myths, Míl Espáine or Míl Espáne (later Latinized as Milesius; also Miled/Miledh) is the mythical ancestor of the final inhabitants of Ireland, the "sons of Míl" or Milesians, who represent the vast majority of the Irish Gaels. His father was Bile, son of Breogan.

His name is an Irish version of Latin Miles Hispaniae, meaning "Soldier of Hispania", which is attested in a passage (§ 13) in the 9th-century semi-historical work Historia Brittonum ("The History of the Britons"). According to the Lebor Gabala Erenn or the Book of Invasions where this tale is recorded his real name is Galam which is equivalent to Columba and its derivatives such as Malcolm and Callum. The work offers an account of how Ireland was successively taken by settlers from Spain, among them Partholom, Nimeth and the "three sons of a Hispanic soldier" (tres filii militis Hispaniae).[1] As A.G. van Hamel has suggested, the status of Iberia as the land of origin can be traced back to Isidore of Seville, who in the introduction to his history of the Goths, Vandals and Suebi had elevated Spain to the "mother of all races".[2] A further explanation may lie in the mistake made by some classical geographers in locating Ireland closely opposite Iberia. For instance, the Lebar Gabála (§ 100) recounts that from Bregon's Tower, the Milesian Íth was able to see right across the sea to Ireland. In galician history, that tower is the Torre de Hercules, Hercule Tower, in A Coruña, Galicia. [3]

He served as a soldier in Scythia and Egypt, before remembering a prophecy that his descendants would rule Ireland. He set off to the west, getting as far as Iberia where he fought several battles before dying, never seeing Ireland himself.

His wife Scota and his uncle Íth, who had spied Ireland from a tower, sailed to Ireland where Íth was killed by the Tuatha Dé Danann. When his body was brought back to Iberia, Míl's eight sons and Íth's nine brothers invaded Ireland and defeated the Tuatha Dé Danann.

He figures prominently in the mythological genealogies of John O'Hart, being the common ancestor of all the Irish.

Milesius died in Spain before he could reach the Isle of Destiny. His wife Scota went to Ireland with their eight sons. On account of some terrible storms (attributed to the magic of the Tuatha Dé Danann who already lived in Ireland) most of Milesius' sons died when they tried to land.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%ADl_Esp%C3%A1ine

Rabbit Hole
05-03-2020, 09:49 AM
King Tut, his father, and his grandfather.

The haplogroup R1b1a2, which iGENEA claims includes King Tut, arose 9,500 years ago in the Black Sea region. How Tut's ancestors would have gotten from that region to Egypt is unknown.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/news/photos/000/128/12801.ngsversion.1421960076665.adapt.1900.1.jpg
Not at all invasion of the Steppe people to North Africa ?
The Sintashta-Petrovka culture, associated with R1a-Z93 and its subclades, was the first Bronze Age advance of the Indo-Europeans west of the Urals, opening the way to the vast plains and deserts of Central Asia to the metal-rich Altai mountains. The Aryans quickly expanded over all Central Asia, from the shores of the Caspian to southern Siberia and the Tian Shan, through trading, seasonal herd migrations, and looting raids.
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Indo-Iranian

Me and my Bronze Age, huh?

Rabbit Hole
05-03-2020, 09:52 AM
Distribution map of haplogroup R1b in the Old World (Eurasia and Africa) - ... over the Caucasus, from where they would have invaded Europe and Central Asia. ... The North Caucasus and the Pontic-Caspian steppe : the Indo-European link.
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https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml

The ''Indo Europeans'' ( Steppe people ) ransacked North Africa

Grace O'Malley
05-03-2020, 09:53 AM
This is the blurb that my brother gets on 23&Me. M222 was spread by the Ui Neill and the Connachta but it most likely originated earlier in Scotland. There are later subclades that pinpoint clans and families which is pretty unique and thanks to Ireland and Scotland's clan systems.


https://i.imgur.com/cI2YfG4.png

Rabbit Hole
05-03-2020, 09:53 AM
When you think about it how many people find it strange that we descend from this mass movement of Steppe men i.e. R1b/R1a? Even my paternal ydna is from a clan that were really war lords (R-M222). I remember when I found out that my paternal ydna was from the Niall of the Nine hostages ydna and my cousin (who is a female) said that he wasn't a very nice man. :) It is obvious that in the past you had to be alpha to pass on your genes. I guess that makes for some interesting discussion about civilisations.

The Indo Europeans came from around the black and caspian sea, so in that sense no it's not.

Rocinante
05-03-2020, 09:56 AM
When you think about it how many people find it strange that we descend from this mass movement of Steppe men i.e. R1b/R1a? Even my paternal ydna is from a clan that were really war lords (R-M222). I remember when I found out that my paternal ydna was from the Niall of the Nine hostages ydna and my cousin (who is a female) said that he wasn't a very nice man. :) It is obvious that in the past you had to be alpha to pass on your genes. I guess that makes for some interesting discussion about civilisations.

Not only that you had to be Alpha, it was that the most Alpha men in history were carriers of the R1b. The history of this haplogroup in Iberia is impressively violent, because before the arrival of the first carriers of this haplogroup (R-DF27), they were all E, J, G and I, and when these men arrived, they only contributed 30% of their genes but they left 70% of this haplogroup in men, that tells you that they were extremely patriarchal.


Esa es la que me sale a mi en 23 and me de persona con el mismo haplogroup

Tienes el mismo haplogrupo que el, pero no el mismo subclado, tu eres R-L23, si puedes vota en el poll la ultima opcion hermano.

Grace O'Malley
05-03-2020, 10:08 AM
Not only that you had to be Alpha, it was that the most Alpha men in history were carriers of the R1b. The history of this haplogroup in Iberia is impressively violent, because before the arrival of the first carriers of this haplogroup (R-DF27), they were all E, J, G and I, and when these men arrived, they only contributed 30% of their genes but they left 70% of this haplogroup in men, that tells you that they were extremely patriarchal.



Tienes el mismo haplogrupo que el, pero no el mismo subclado, tu eres R-L23, si puedes vota en el poll la ultima opcion hermano.

Yes very patriarchal which carried on in places like Ireland and Scotland. It would have been more widespread but it is very obvious in Ireland and Scotland with the clan system. It was pretty cut throat but the way people survived back then. I still think it is interesting that people weren't aware of all of this until it was confirmed in about 2015 when Haak released his study.

Rocinante
05-03-2020, 10:15 AM
Yes very patriarchal which carried on in places like Ireland and Scotland. It would have been more widespread but it is very obvious in Ireland and Scotland with the clan system. It was pretty cut throat but the way people survived back then. I still think it is interesting that people weren't aware of all of this until it was confirmed in about 2015 when Haak released his study.

It's incredible how that L21 had widespread in the celtic nations, including Cornwall and Brittany of course, and now it results that i have, instead of the DF27, it's quite curious. Also, you should vote your Y-DNA :).

mitalit
05-03-2020, 10:16 AM
https://i.gyazo.com/854e81883b7d48a65702bddfd27169b5.png

Grace O'Malley
05-03-2020, 10:24 AM
It's incredible how that L21 had widespread in the celtic nations, including Cornwall and Brittany of course, and now it results that i have, instead of the DF27, it's quite curious. Also, you should vote your Y-DNA :).

It was spread by Bell Beaker but what is interesting is that with ancient genomes all the Bell Beakers in Spain were DF27 so it is likely your ydna most likely came later in Iberia. Possibly in the future you could invest in more ydna tests to see what snps you carry under L21. It can be an expensive hobby but it would tell you more about your origins. L21 is fairly widespread in Europe but most likely originated with Dutch Bell Beaker but later subclades can be quite informative.

Rocinante
05-03-2020, 10:29 AM
It was spread by Bell Beaker but what is interesting is that with ancient genomes all the Bell Beakers in Spain were DF27 so it is likely your ydna most likely came later in Iberia. Possibly in the future you could invest in more ydna tests to see what snps you carry under L21. It can be an expensive hobby but it would tell you more about your origins. L21 is fairly widespread in Europe but most likely originated with Dutch Bell Beaker but later subclades can be quite informative.

Maybe this?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Britonia6hcentury.png

:lol:


https://i.gyazo.com/854e81883b7d48a65702bddfd27169b5.png

El haplogrupo R-DF27 superior!

Grace O'Malley
05-03-2020, 10:43 AM
Maybe this?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Britonia6hcentury.png

:lol:



El haplogrupo R-DF27 superior!

I meant to correct that L21 originated with Dutch Bell Beakers but it was obviously spread by them. Still waiting to see where L21 originated from but most likely in Corded Ware. Anyway it shows how shite 23&M3 are when they are putting that blurb on people that are DF27. Well they put in on all M269 which is a joke.

It is a bit frustrating posting on this forum of late because there are so many database errors. Not a good sign if it is not fixed.

Mixdguy17
05-03-2020, 10:51 AM
https://i.gyazo.com/854e81883b7d48a65702bddfd27169b5.png

Jajajaj a mi me sale el mismo cabron xdxd, como que a todos los de R1b les sale no?

mitalit
05-03-2020, 10:53 AM
Jajajaj a mi me sale el mismo cabron xdxd, como que a todos los de R1b les sale no?

Eso parece, yo pensaba que era especial pero veo que a todos les sale. :mad:

Mixdguy17
05-03-2020, 10:59 AM
https://i.gyazo.com/854e81883b7d48a65702bddfd27169b5.png

Jajajaj a mi me sale el mismo cabron xdxd, como que a todos los de R1b les sale no?

Grace O'Malley
05-03-2020, 11:11 AM
https://i.gyazo.com/854e81883b7d48a65702bddfd27169b5.png

Well you can see from your graphic that it is M269 and goes back 10,000 years and Niall didn't exist until 350 AD and is specifically related to Irish and Scots dynasties. I just find it odd that 23&Me use Niall for all of R1b no matter people's origins. Just shows that they are more for show than authenticity.

Mixdguy17
05-03-2020, 11:26 AM
Eso parece, yo pensaba que era especial pero veo que a todos les sale. :mad:

Jajajajaaj yo tmb pensaba lo mismo bro! xdxd

Rocinante
05-03-2020, 11:43 AM
I meant to correct that L21 originated with Dutch Bell Beakers but it was obviously spread by them. Still waiting to see where L21 originated from but most likely in Corded Ware. Anyway it shows how shite 23&M3 are when they are putting that blurb on people that are DF27. Well they put in on all M269 which is a joke.

It is a bit frustrating posting on this forum of late because there are so many database errors. Not a good sign if it is not fixed.

I'm aware that is originated with the Bell Beakers, but knowing that the vastly majority of the bell beakers that arrived to Iberia were DF27, i only can make weird conclusion from where is that L21 of mine, and how did it arrived. It is said that the Britons were in Galicia and Asturias, and my last name is exactly on the marked spot in Galicia, from northern most point of Lugo Province. Britons were L21 i think.

This of course are just dumb conclusions made by me. And yes, this forum is a pain in the ass with the Database error thing xD.

Rocinante
05-03-2020, 04:38 PM
Robert Downey Jr. - R1b

American actor, producer, and singer. His career has been characterized by critical and popular success in his youth, followed by a period of substance abuse and legal troubles, before a resurgence of commercial success in middle age. In 2008, Downey was named by Time magazine among the 100 most influential people in the world, and from 2013 to 2015, he was listed by Forbes as Hollywood's highest-paid actor. His films have grossed over $14.4 billion worldwide, making him the second highest-grossing box-office star of all time. At the age of five, he made his acting debut in Robert Downey Sr.'s film Pound in 1970. He subsequently worked with the Brat Pack in the teen films Weird Science (1985) and Less Than Zero (1987). In 1992, Downey portrayed the title character in the biopic Chaplin, for which he was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Actor and won a BAFTA Award. Following a stint at the Corcoran Substance Abuse Treatment Facility on drug charges, he joined the TV series Ally McBeal, for which he won a Golden Globe Award; however in the wake of two drug charges, one in late 2000 and one in early 2001, he was fired and his character terminated. He stayed in a court-ordered drug treatment program shortly after and has maintained his sobriety since 2003. Initially, bond completion companies would not insure Downey, until Mel Gibson paid the insurance bond for the 2003 film The Singing Detective. He subsequently went on to star in the black comedy Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (2005), the thriller Zodiac (2007), and the action comedy Tropic Thunder (2008); for the latter he was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor. Downey gained wider recognition for starring as Tony Stark / Iron Man in ten films within the Marvel Cinematic Universe, beginning with Iron Man (2008). He has also played the title character in Guy Ritchie's Sherlock Holmes (2009), which earned him his second Golden Globe, and its sequel (2011).

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