Lena's Bronze Age results

[Rabbit Hole]

So 'Konstante' says I am lying about my heritage and I don't want to admit what I am so I though i'd upload my heritage results so people here can help him ( which isn't true I actually joined this forum because a troll was comparing my results to South Europeans which I don't like or intend )

Just to classify I don't take any remote interest in trying to compare my dna to a South European or a Balkan Slav I have a PIE Anatolian imput that is different to them , I just said it can't be related to Jewish people Israelites because they moved to the Levant during the Iron Age. 1200 BCE, onwards. But then again I don't attack or insult South Europeans, either , and I never attacked Balkan Slavs until I saw them sh*t posting.

So to clarify I am Levantine not South European and I am not Anti Semitic ( until they started to claim they were Canaanites ) and I don't hate Balkan Slavs ( who do not insult other users in this forum )

Άι στο διάολο μαλάκα!!!! ( for 'Konstante' )

My results ( all of them from 7,000bce to 1,300 BCE collapse of Bronze Age )

k36 result on Ged my Ged number is A965274

https://snipboard.io/4dLXKQ.jpg

https://snipboard.io/gdbvUN.jpg

https://snipboard.io/TJSHim.jpg


my haplogroups
https://scontent.fltn2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/11130397_1463796100527709_8612331047963626126_o.pn g?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=ZMuCeFNAGMMAX_ayEpS&_nc_ht=scontent.fltn2-1.fna&oh=ef03187efdfe9d0bf75b0d71ebe59f36&oe=5ED2B51E

https://scontent.fltn2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/10830540_1463796183861034_6268429962803092441_o.pn g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=0cr4QILPfHIAX_wKeTO&_nc_ht=scontent.fltn2-1.fna&oh=b748dde13da1f186c00423103e3f7671&oe=5ED2D1AE

https://scontent.fltn2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/11082288_1463796270527692_6760109356249556249_o.pn g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=cuuwTFX_EZsAX-NwroK&_nc_ht=scontent.fltn2-1.fna&oh=9d7d85441659883a9198aab4b32a571a&oe=5ED58C16


https://scontent.fltn2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/10955228_1463796420527677_7412545805251206561_o.pn g?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=gehQRvNGzj8AX_OPAQ8&_nc_ht=scontent.fltn2-1.fna&oh=59ad73000c7a69eaf2223fbf76967c90&oe=5ED2BEC8

https://scontent.fltn2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/11141761_1463796447194341_2181993735254607064_o.pn g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=_hNJSW2Ok28AX9eqxH-&_nc_ht=scontent.fltn2-1.fna&oh=d4d491b69e734ace5fa168c8d92f8664&oe=5ED2DA55

[Rabbit Hole]

Some articles on Levantine heritage

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4555292/Study-mummies-reveals-Turkish-European.html?fbclid=IwAR2Ma6XWEjc3chSGWHw8IJW1SMR hngSkwxCDydijrT_QzX_3adu7hjmMQ7c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rn9b7Z1ZnQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR1G9b6BRtsQ9DjUuF_lbSfO0ak0he9XltUX9WWL3 laQTDPlN6kOlnXLvrc

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2017/07/canaanite-bible-ancient-dna-lebanon-genetics-archaeology/?fbclid=IwAR1l2-ci6UE7C4RUXeu8HJ7vErNRm8ODMjqEHTpH8-rN-Td0E-7jF46CuGo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syro-Hittite_states

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/2019/07/ancient-dna-reveal-philistine-origins/

[Babak]

Awesome. God bless serbia

[Rabbit Hole]

Awesome. God bless serbia

I have to keep it bumped, as now and again I get called an 'Arab' or Asian by users here who think I am saying it to be ashamed when I am not, I am simply stating facts, I don't hate myself West Asia was the fertile Cresent it's the cradle of civilization and I am very proud of my roots, I just want people to be clear I am not ashamed. I don't look down on other people who are different from me I view them as different, not inferior. I don't hate Jews or other South West Asians I don't admire South Europeans or South European men I define myself as West Asian. I have the typical dna as such as confirmed by the articles.

[Leto]

What is your ethnic background?

Kit A965274

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 26.71
2 East_Med 21.9
3 West_Med 15.85
4 West_Asian 12.55
5 Baltic 12.46
6 Red_Sea 7.52
7 Northeast_African 0.95
8 South_Asian 0.85
9 Sub-Saharan 0.52
10 Oceanian 0.49
11 Amerindian 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo 8.82
2 Tuscan 9.08
3 Greek_Thessaly 9.83
4 West_Sicilian 11.03
5 North_Italian 12.16
6 Central_Greek 12.45
7 Romanian 12.6
8 Bulgarian 12.62
9 East_Sicilian 12.72
10 South_Italian 15.16
11 Ashkenazi 15.26
12 Serbian 15.29
13 Portuguese 17.78
14 Spanish_Extremadura 18.1
15 Spanish_Galicia 18.9
16 Sephardic_Jewish 19.01
17 Spanish_Murcia 19.21
18 French 19.53
19 Italian_Jewish 19.86
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 19.92

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.9% Irish + 49.1% Samaritan @ 1.97
2 51.9% Southwest_English + 48.1% Samaritan @ 2.09
3 55.2% South_Dutch + 44.8% Syrian @ 2.13
4 58.5% South_Dutch + 41.5% Samaritan @ 2.16
5 50.6% West_Scottish + 49.4% Samaritan @ 2.3
6 51.4% Orcadian + 48.6% Samaritan @ 2.32
7 59.4% French + 40.6% Syrian @ 2.36
8 55% South_Dutch + 45% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.39
9 59.9% West_German + 40.1% Samaritan @ 2.43
10 59.2% French + 40.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.49
11 52.9% Southwest_English + 47.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.55
12 59.4% South_Dutch + 40.6% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.56
13 56.7% West_German + 43.3% Syrian @ 2.59
14 50.2% Syrian + 49.8% Southeast_English @ 2.65
15 53.1% Southeast_English + 46.9% Samaritan @ 2.74
16 51.4% Syrian + 48.6% Southwest_English @ 2.75
17 51.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 48.4% Southwest_English @ 2.81
18 51.7% North_Dutch + 48.3% Samaritan @ 2.9
19 51.9% Irish + 48.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.9
20 60.9% West_German + 39.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.98

[yamagi]

You're supposedly female but has a Y-dna, interesting.

[dududud]

What is your ethnic background?

Kit A965274

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 26.71
2 East_Med 21.9
3 West_Med 15.85
4 West_Asian 12.55
5 Baltic 12.46
6 Red_Sea 7.52
7 Northeast_African 0.95
8 South_Asian 0.85
9 Sub-Saharan 0.52
10 Oceanian 0.49
11 Amerindian 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo 8.82
2 Tuscan 9.08
3 Greek_Thessaly 9.83
4 West_Sicilian 11.03
5 North_Italian 12.16
6 Central_Greek 12.45
7 Romanian 12.6
8 Bulgarian 12.62
9 East_Sicilian 12.72
10 South_Italian 15.16
11 Ashkenazi 15.26
12 Serbian 15.29
13 Portuguese 17.78
14 Spanish_Extremadura 18.1
15 Spanish_Galicia 18.9
16 Sephardic_Jewish 19.01
17 Spanish_Murcia 19.21
18 French 19.53
19 Italian_Jewish 19.86
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 19.92

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.9% Irish + 49.1% Samaritan @ 1.97
2 51.9% Southwest_English + 48.1% Samaritan @ 2.09
3 55.2% South_Dutch + 44.8% Syrian @ 2.13
4 58.5% South_Dutch + 41.5% Samaritan @ 2.16
5 50.6% West_Scottish + 49.4% Samaritan @ 2.3
6 51.4% Orcadian + 48.6% Samaritan @ 2.32
7 59.4% French + 40.6% Syrian @ 2.36
8 55% South_Dutch + 45% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.39
9 59.9% West_German + 40.1% Samaritan @ 2.43
10 59.2% French + 40.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.49
11 52.9% Southwest_English + 47.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.55
12 59.4% South_Dutch + 40.6% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.56
13 56.7% West_German + 43.3% Syrian @ 2.59
14 50.2% Syrian + 49.8% Southeast_English @ 2.65
15 53.1% Southeast_English + 46.9% Samaritan @ 2.74
16 51.4% Syrian + 48.6% Southwest_English @ 2.75
17 51.6% Lebanese_Muslim + 48.4% Southwest_English @ 2.81
18 51.7% North_Dutch + 48.3% Samaritan @ 2.9
19 51.9% Irish + 48.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.9
20 60.9% West_German + 39.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.98

"Meta-Ethnicity
Hellenic , Romance, Hittite/Anatolian, UK"

[Luso]

Why would someone lie about their ethnicity anyway? I think the only people I've seen do that are some turks. Anyway, yeah just put this thread in your signature and it'll be proof enough. That is what I did for myself.

[Rabbit Hole]

Awesome. God bless serbia

I have to keep it bumped, as now and again I get called an 'Arab' or Asian by users here who think I am saying it to be ashamed when I am not, I am simply stating facts, I don't hate myself West Asia was the fertile Cresent it's the cradle of civilization and I am very proud of my roots, I just want people to be clear I am not ashamed. I don't look down on other people who are different from me I view them as different. I don't hate Jews or other South West Asians I don't admire South Europeans or South European men I define myself as West Asian. I have the typical dna as such as confirmed by the articles.

That's what it adds up to if you check my k36 they're all Bronze Age matches I am partly North West European ( Fathers side ) and partly West Asian ( Greek, Roman, Anatolian ) on my mother's South Europeans would have my Greek and Roman but they would not have my Anatolian which is basically Hittite ( West Asian )

[Leto]

At least whiter than Jews xD

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 26.38
2 North_European 23.5
3 Caucasus 23.05
4 Southwest_Asian 12.58
5 Gedrosia 10.24
6 Northwest_African 2.6
7 East_African 0.93
8 Sub_Saharan 0.55
9 South_Asian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10.35
2 C_Italian (Dodecad) 14.17
3 Greek (Dodecad) 14.96
4 TSI30 (Metspalu) 15
5 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 15.26
6 Tuscan (HGDP) 15.36
7 Romanians (Behar) 15.79
8 N_Italian (Dodecad) 15.97
9 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 16.47
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.95
11 Sicilian (Dodecad) 17.24
12 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 18.39
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 18.49
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 18.62
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 21.72
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 21.98
17 Galicia (1000Genomes) 24.54
18 Baleares (1000Genomes) 24.59
19 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 24.86
20 Portuguese (Dodecad) 24.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53% Lebanese (Behar) + 47% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 0.59
2 51.4% Lebanese (Behar) + 48.6% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 0.8
3 51.9% Lebanese (Behar) + 48.1% English (Dodecad) @ 0.81
4 51.8% Lebanese (Behar) + 48.2% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 0.84
5 52.8% Lebanese (Behar) + 47.2% British (Dodecad) @ 1.43
6 53.6% Lebanese (Behar) + 46.4% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.46
7 50.8% Lebanese (Behar) + 49.2% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.48
8 53.9% Lebanese (Behar) + 46.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.48
9 53.8% Lebanese (Behar) + 46.2% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.49
10 50.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 49.3% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1.62
11 52.4% Lebanese (Behar) + 47.6% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 1.63
12 53.1% Lebanese (Behar) + 46.9% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.95
13 50.3% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 49.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.32
14 51.1% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 48.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.42
15 50.5% Orcadian (HGDP) + 49.5% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.42
16 50.6% Irish (Dodecad) + 49.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.56
17 52.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 47.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.58
18 51.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 48.3% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.72
19 54.1% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 45.9% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.97
20 50.2% Dutch (Dodecad) + 49.8% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.99

[Rabbit Hole]

Why would someone lie about their ethnicity anyway? I think the only people I've seen do that are some turks. Anyway, yeah just put this thread in your signature and it'll be proof enough. That is what I did for myself.

I am not and I never did, I constantly said that I am mixed with Anatolians as well as Greek and Roman, but I basically am continued to be bashed. I joined this forum because a troll was using my result and comparing myself to South Europeans and saying stupid stuff like ''South Europeans are basically partly West Asian'' when I always defined myself as West Asian which is basically at least during the Bronze Age Greek,Roman Anatolian.

[Rabbit Hole]

At least whiter than Jews xD

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 26.38
2 North_European 23.5
3 Caucasus 23.05
4 Southwest_Asian 12.58
5 Gedrosia 10.24
6 Northwest_African 2.6
7 East_African 0.93
8 Sub_Saharan 0.55
9 South_Asian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10.35
2 C_Italian (Dodecad) 14.17
3 Greek (Dodecad) 14.96
4 TSI30 (Metspalu) 15
5 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 15.26
6 Tuscan (HGDP) 15.36
7 Romanians (Behar) 15.79
8 N_Italian (Dodecad) 15.97
9 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 16.47
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.95
11 Sicilian (Dodecad) 17.24
12 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 18.39
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 18.49
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 18.62
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 21.72
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 21.98
17 Galicia (1000Genomes) 24.54
18 Baleares (1000Genomes) 24.59
19 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 24.86
20 Portuguese (Dodecad) 24.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53% Lebanese (Behar) + 47% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 0.59
2 51.4% Lebanese (Behar) + 48.6% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 0.8
3 51.9% Lebanese (Behar) + 48.1% English (Dodecad) @ 0.81
4 51.8% Lebanese (Behar) + 48.2% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 0.84
5 52.8% Lebanese (Behar) + 47.2% British (Dodecad) @ 1.43
6 53.6% Lebanese (Behar) + 46.4% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.46
7 50.8% Lebanese (Behar) + 49.2% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.48
8 53.9% Lebanese (Behar) + 46.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.48
9 53.8% Lebanese (Behar) + 46.2% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.49
10 50.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 49.3% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1.62
11 52.4% Lebanese (Behar) + 47.6% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 1.63
12 53.1% Lebanese (Behar) + 46.9% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.95
13 50.3% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 49.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.32
14 51.1% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 48.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.42
15 50.5% Orcadian (HGDP) + 49.5% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.42
16 50.6% Irish (Dodecad) + 49.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.56
17 52.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 47.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.58
18 51.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 48.3% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.72
19 54.1% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 45.9% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.97
20 50.2% Dutch (Dodecad) + 49.8% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.99

West Asians are Eurasians the root of West Asians are Hittites Anatolians, Greeks and Roman conquests came later. If I printed my result saying ''Lebanese Muslim'' lol people wouldn't get my point so I had to print out my k36. Jews ( Israelites ) came after the Iron Age the end of the Bronze Age was 1,300BCE and the Israelites came in 1,200bce

[Leto]

West Asians are Eurasians the root of West Asians are Hittites Anatolians, Greeks and Roman conquests came later. If I printed my result saying ''Lebanese Muslim'' lol people wouldn't get my point so I had to print out my k36. Jews ( Israelites ) came after the Iron Age the end of the Bronze Age was 1,300BCE and the Israelites came in 1,200bce
You are half white and half Leb Muslim?

[Rabbit Hole]

You are half white and half Leb Muslim?

It doesn't mean anything to be half white and half Leb Muslim it's just pca charting. Lebanese Muslims on the PCA are close to Lebanese Christians and Greek Cypriots it's basically defined as the 'Levant' that's where the bloodline stops.

[Leto]

It doesn't mean anything to be half white and half Leb Muslim it's just pca charting. Lebanese Muslims on the PCA are close to Lebanese Christians and Greek Cypriots it's basically defined as the 'Levant' that's where the bloodline stops.
It means everything. I just asked you about your ethnic background, not PCAs or plotting. If that is actually your kit number, you are half British/Irish and half Levantine. Unless you practice Islam, that's white to me :cool:

[Rabbit Hole]

It means everything. I just asked you about your ethnic background, not PCAs or plotting. If that is actually your kit number, you are half British/Irish and half Levantine. Unless you practice Islam, that's white to me :cool:

I did not say I am not partly Levantine, but you have to define it racially, during the Bronze Age the Levant was populated by PIE Anatolians, yes they were ''physically more Near Eastern than South Europeans'' Because the Levant is West Asia. Lebanese people in the Bronze Age are related to Anatolians, Anatolians were PIES the Greek and Roman conquests came later if you read my K36 it confirms that. Lebanese people are close to themselves and Cypriots because descend from the ancient Greeks but again Bronze Age

[Abdelnour]

Nice result but please get G25.

You just pay 12 USD to Davidski:
https://bga101.blogspot.com/2017/10/genetic-ancestry-online-store-to-be.html?m=1

Eurogenes and GEDMatch is ancient history. You get much more accurate results with G25.

[Rabbit Hole]

It means everything. I just asked you about your ethnic background, not PCAs or plotting. If that is actually your kit number, you are half British/Irish and half Levantine. Unless you practice Islam, that's white to me :cool:

I don't practise Islam
















https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2017/07/canaanite-bible-ancient-dna-lebanon-genetics-archaeology/


https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/world-history/world-history-beginnings/ancient-egypt-hittites/a/the-hittites
Overview
The Hittites were an ancient Anatolian (modern-day Turkey) people who formed an empire between 1600-1180 BCE.
The Hittites manufactured advanced iron goods, ruled over their kingdom through government officials with independent authority over various branches of government, and worshipped storm gods.
The Hittites’ ongoing conflicts with Egypt produced the world’s first known peace treaty.
The Hittites were an ancient group of Indo-Europeans who moved into Asian Minor and formed an empire at Hattusa in Anatolia (modern Turkey) around 1600 BCE.
The Hittite Empire reached great heights during the mid-1300s BCE, when it spread across Asia Minor, into the northern Levant and Upper Mesopotamia.
Like many Indo-Europeans, the Hittites were able to travel long distances and migrate to other lands due to the domestication of horses. The spread of technologies like the wheel and wagon, which were also used in ancient Mesopotamia and other early civilizations in the region, also assisted pastoralists and agrarian civilizations.
After about 1180 BCE, the empire ended and splintered into several independent Neo-Hittite—new Hittite—city-states, some of which survived until the eighth century BCE.
A map of the Hittite empire at its greatest extent in the mid-1300s. The Hittite empire is colored in green and is bordered by the Black Sea and the Mediterranean sea.
A map of the Hittite empire at its greatest extent in the mid-1300s. The Hittite empire is colored in green and is bordered by the Black Sea and the Mediterranean sea.
The Hittite empire at its greatest extent in the mid-1300s BCE. Image courtesy Boundless.
Culture
The Hittite language was a member of Indo-European, a family of related languages that today are widely spoken in the Americas, Europe, and Western and Southern Asia.^1
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start superscript, 1, end superscript Hittites are so named because of their initial identification with the Biblical Hittites, according to nineteenth-century archaeology. The Hittites are usually referred to as a people living among the Israelites.
Although their civilization thrived during the Bronze Age, starting around 3000 BCE, the Hittites were pioneers of the Iron Age and began manufacturing iron artifacts around 1400 BCE. This is significant because the Hittites’ use of iron and steel created tools and weapons that were more efficient than those made of bronze. A couple of theories exist about how the Hittites developed this technology. Some scholars believe the Hittites had been experimenting with metalworking for years, eventually leading them to discover a smelting process that would melt iron, which melts at a higher temperature than other metals like copper or tin. It’s also possible that the Hittites learned some of this technology from peoples in the Zagros Mountains in western Iran. The Hittites’ trading partners in Assyria and parts of the Egyptian empire had a high demand for iron products.^2
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After 1180 BCE, amid general turmoil in the Levant with the sudden arrival of the Sea Peoples—people of unknown nationality who used ships to raid Mediterranean and Egyptian cities—the kingdom scattered into several independent Neo-Hittite city-states.^3
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cubed The history of the Hittite civilization is known mostly from cuneiform texts found in the area of their former kingdom and from diplomatic and commercial mail found in archives in Egypt and the Middle East. The cuneiform writing suggests that the Hittites had some connection with Mesopotamian empires, either through direct communication or through the Hittites’ conquest of another central-Anatolian group, the Hatti, who had connections to the Sumerians—a Mesopotamian empire. Either way, Mesopotamians’ writing technology was transferred to the Hittites.
Government
The head of the Hittite state was the king, followed by the heir-apparent—one of the king’s offspring born into the position of succeeding him. Some officials, however, exercised independent authority over various branches of the government, so the king did not control all aspects of the kingdom. For example, the Chief of the Royal Bodyguards, the Chief of the Scribes—who was in charge of bureaucracy—and even the Chief of the Wine Stewards!
The actual day-to-day life and culture of the Hittites is mysterious because the written documents from this culture deal mainly with the kings and their campaigns. It is known that the Hittites wrote using Akkadian script but in their own Indo-European language and used cylinder seals to sign documents and mark property as people did throughout Mesopotamia, suggesting a link between the two cultures.
However, Hittites may have learned about Mesopotamian customs through the Hatti, an Anatolian people the Hittites conquered, who had prior connections to Sumer in Mesopotamia. The details of Hittite life and culture we’ve learned seem to be slight variations on those of the Hatti. But we don’t know the exact nature of the relationship between these two groups given the small number of primary sources that have been found.^4
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Religion
Storm gods were prominent in the Hittite pantheon—the set of all the gods in a polytheistic religion. Tarhunt was referred to as The Conqueror, The King of Kummiya, King of Heaven, and Lord of the land of Hatti. He was the god of battle and victory, especially against foreign powers. This might indicate that the Hittites placed value on military might.
The Battle of Kadesh
One military engagement the Hittites are famous for is the Battle of Kadesh against the Egyptian pharaoh Ramesses II’s army in 1274 BCE. This battle is especially important because both sides claimed victory, which led to the first known peace treaty in the history of the world, in 1258 BCE.
Conflict between Hittites and Egyptians
The Hittites had been making headway into the Egyptian empire and had caused trouble for the Pharaoh Tutmoses III. Pharaoh Ramesses II resolved to drive the Hittites from his borders. He hoped to gain an advantage by capturing of the city of Kadesh, a center of commerce which the Hittites held. Ramesses marched from Egypt at the head of over 20,000 soldiers in four divisions to fight against the troops of Muwatalli, the king of the Hittites.
Battle
The Egyptian and Hittite armies were pretty evenly matched, which is probably why both were able to claim victory. The Egyptian chariots were faster because they only had two people aboard them, while the Hittite chariots accommodated an extra person, allowing more spears to be thrown from each chariot. The combination of chariots and iron tools, which were stronger than bronze ones, meant that the Egyptian and Hittite military technology was some of the most sophisticated of its time. Both civilizations boasted strong state power and the ability to send troops to war in order to fight for control over their empires.
Aftermath
Ramesses claimed a great victory for Egypt: he had defeated his enemy in battle. Muwatalli also claimed victory because he didn’t lose Kadesh. The Treaty of Kadesh—the first peace treaty—was an important document because it showed the ability of large civilizations to determine whether or not they were at war with each other.^5

[Abdelnour]

Why would someone lie about their ethnicity anyway? I think the only people I've seen do that are some turks. Anyway, yeah just put this thread in your signature and it'll be proof enough. That is what I did for myself.

In the past we had men posing as women and vice versa. Lying about your ethnicity is small fries in this forum.

[Rabbit Hole]

Nice result but please get G25.

You just pay 12 USD to Davidski:
https://bga101.blogspot.com/2017/10/genetic-ancestry-online-store-to-be.html?m=1

Eurogenes and GEDMatch is ancient history. You get much more accurate results with G25.

No it's not because the gene samples are from 40,000 years ago and clustering in the Levant won't mean anything because depending on the time periods the samples will change but it will still be marked as ''the Levant'' It's important to print out my k36 because it marks the time periods the samples were from so thanks for the offer, but no thanks.

[Rabbit Hole]

In the past we had men posing as women and vice versa. Lying about your ethnicity is small fries in this forum.

I have not lied about anything. I made a variation between Bronze Age and Iron Age Levantine samples.

Bronze Age samples are a mix of Anatolian-Greek but ancient Greek because God forbid I compare it to mainland Greece and Roman dna which I guess is Tuscan.

Iron Age samples from Levant is Greek Roman and Assyrian Semitic ( Jewish ) . This is the reason why my samples don't exeed past the Bronze Age because that's when the Hittite empire collapsed.

[Ion Basescul]

I have not lied about anything. I made a variation between Bronze Age and Iron Age Levantine samples.

Bronze Age samples are a mix of Anatolian-Greek but ancient Greek because God forbid I compare it to mainland Greece and Roman dna which I guess is Tuscan.

Iron Age samples from Levant is Greek Roman and Assyrian Semitic ( Jewish ) . This is the reason why my samples don't exeed past the Bronze Age because that's when the Hittite empire collapsed.

I apologise if this comes out as offensive, but are you adopted? This would explain why you can't name the ethnicity of your parent with the West Asian mix.

[Samnium]

At least whiter than Jews xD

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 26.38
2 North_European 23.5
3 Caucasus 23.05
4 Southwest_Asian 12.58
5 Gedrosia 10.24
6 Northwest_African 2.6
7 East_African 0.93
8 Sub_Saharan 0.55
9 South_Asian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10.35
2 C_Italian (Dodecad) 14.17
3 Greek (Dodecad) 14.96
4 TSI30 (Metspalu) 15
5 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 15.26
6 Tuscan (HGDP) 15.36
7 Romanians (Behar) 15.79
8 N_Italian (Dodecad) 15.97
9 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 16.47
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.95
11 Sicilian (Dodecad) 17.24
12 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 18.39
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 18.49
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 18.62
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 21.72
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 21.98
17 Galicia (1000Genomes) 24.54
18 Baleares (1000Genomes) 24.59
19 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 24.86
20 Portuguese (Dodecad) 24.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53% Lebanese (Behar) + 47% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 0.59
2 51.4% Lebanese (Behar) + 48.6% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 0.8
3 51.9% Lebanese (Behar) + 48.1% English (Dodecad) @ 0.81
4 51.8% Lebanese (Behar) + 48.2% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 0.84
5 52.8% Lebanese (Behar) + 47.2% British (Dodecad) @ 1.43
6 53.6% Lebanese (Behar) + 46.4% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.46
7 50.8% Lebanese (Behar) + 49.2% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.48
8 53.9% Lebanese (Behar) + 46.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.48
9 53.8% Lebanese (Behar) + 46.2% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.49
10 50.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 49.3% Lebanese (Behar) @ 1.62
11 52.4% Lebanese (Behar) + 47.6% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 1.63
12 53.1% Lebanese (Behar) + 46.9% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.95
13 50.3% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 49.7% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.32
14 51.1% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 48.9% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.42
15 50.5% Orcadian (HGDP) + 49.5% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.42
16 50.6% Irish (Dodecad) + 49.4% Druze (HGDP) @ 2.56
17 52.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 47.1% Jordanians (Behar) @ 2.58
18 51.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 48.3% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.72
19 54.1% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 45.9% Samaritians (Behar) @ 2.97
20 50.2% Dutch (Dodecad) + 49.8% Syrians (Behar) @ 2.99

Plot like a Central Italian if I have to say.

[Rabbit Hole]

I apologise if this comes out as offensive, but are you adopted? This would explain why you can't name the ethnicity of your parent with the West Asian mix.

How do you want me to answer that in a adult manner? Please take a look at my k36 and the links provided with the time period.

I made a variation between Bronze Age and Iron Age Levantine samples because there IS a distinct variation between Iron Age and Bronze Age Levantine samples. please check my samples my last sample was from 1,300 BCE because that's when the Hittite empire collapsed.

[Rabbit Hole]

I apologise if this comes out as offensive, but are you adopted? This would explain why you can't name the ethnicity of your parent with the West Asian mix.

How do you want me to answer that in a adult manner? Please take a look at my k36 and the links provided with the time period.

I made a variation between Bronze Age and Iron Age Levantine samples because there IS a distinct variation between Iron Age and Bronze Age Levantine samples. please check my samples my last sample was from 1,300 BCE because that's when the Hittite empire collapsed.

[Kaspias]

Her mother, she is Lebanese Alevi:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 39.84
2 West_Asian 22.54
3 West_Med 13.6
4 Red_Sea 11.21
5 North_Atlantic 5
6 Northeast_African 2.77
7 South_Asian 2.14
8 Sub-Saharan 1.57
9 Baltic 0.6
10 Amerindian 0.38
11 Siberian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 1.69
2 Syrian 3.63
3 Jordanian 7.55
4 Cyprian 7.76
5 Samaritan 7.87
6 Lebanese_Christian 8.08
7 Palestinian 8.41
8 Lebanese_Druze 8.77
9 Kurdish_Jewish 9.16
10 Iranian_Jewish 9.54
11 Assyrian 10.66
12 Tunisian_Jewish 11.99
13 Libyan_Jewish 12.45
14 Bedouin 13.25
15 Georgian_Jewish 13.82
16 Sephardic_Jewish 14.23
17 Turkish 14.61
18 Algerian_Jewish 15.8
19 Italian_Jewish 16.15
20 Armenian 16.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 5.7% Egyptian @ 1.27
2 87.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 12.2% Jordanian @ 1.33
3 89.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 10.8% Palestinian @ 1.35
4 98.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.2% Sandawe @ 1.42
5 98.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.2% Maasai @ 1.43
6 93.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 6.3% Bedouin @ 1.44
7 99% Lebanese_Muslim + 1% San @ 1.45
8 99% Lebanese_Muslim + 1% Sudanese @ 1.45
9 97% Lebanese_Muslim + 3% Algerian @ 1.45
10 99.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 0.9% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 1.45
11 96.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.2% Tunisian @ 1.46
12 99% Lebanese_Muslim + 1% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 1.46
13 98.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.5% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 1.46
14 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% Mozabite_Berber @ 1.46
15 99.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 0.9% Bantu_N.E. @ 1.47
16 98.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.5% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 1.47
17 99.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 0.9% Luhya @ 1.47
18 98.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.2% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 1.48
19 99% Lebanese_Muslim + 1% Hadza @ 1.48
20 99.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 0.8% Biaka_Pygmy @ 1.48


And she is half NW European. Has no any connection neither with Greeks nor Anatolians.

I suspect there is some strong mental issues btw.

[Ion Basescul]

How do you want me to answer that in a adult manner?

Simply saying how your parents identify is enough.

[Rabbit Hole]

Her mother, she is Lebanese Alevi:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 39.84
2 West_Asian 22.54
3 West_Med 13.6
4 Red_Sea 11.21
5 North_Atlantic 5
6 Northeast_African 2.77
7 South_Asian 2.14
8 Sub-Saharan 1.57
9 Baltic 0.6
10 Amerindian 0.38
11 Siberian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 1.69
2 Syrian 3.63
3 Jordanian 7.55
4 Cyprian 7.76
5 Samaritan 7.87
6 Lebanese_Christian 8.08
7 Palestinian 8.41
8 Lebanese_Druze 8.77
9 Kurdish_Jewish 9.16
10 Iranian_Jewish 9.54
11 Assyrian 10.66
12 Tunisian_Jewish 11.99
13 Libyan_Jewish 12.45
14 Bedouin 13.25
15 Georgian_Jewish 13.82
16 Sephardic_Jewish 14.23
17 Turkish 14.61
18 Algerian_Jewish 15.8
19 Italian_Jewish 16.15
20 Armenian 16.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 5.7% Egyptian @ 1.27
2 87.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 12.2% Jordanian @ 1.33
3 89.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 10.8% Palestinian @ 1.35
4 98.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.2% Sandawe @ 1.42
5 98.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.2% Maasai @ 1.43
6 93.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 6.3% Bedouin @ 1.44
7 99% Lebanese_Muslim + 1% San @ 1.45
8 99% Lebanese_Muslim + 1% Sudanese @ 1.45
9 97% Lebanese_Muslim + 3% Algerian @ 1.45
10 99.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 0.9% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 1.45
11 96.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.2% Tunisian @ 1.46
12 99% Lebanese_Muslim + 1% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 1.46
13 98.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.5% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 1.46
14 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% Mozabite_Berber @ 1.46
15 99.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 0.9% Bantu_N.E. @ 1.47
16 98.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.5% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 1.47
17 99.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 0.9% Luhya @ 1.47
18 98.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.2% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 1.48
19 99% Lebanese_Muslim + 1% Hadza @ 1.48
20 99.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 0.8% Biaka_Pygmy @ 1.48


And she is half NW European. Has no any connection neither with Greeks nor Anatolians.

I suspect there is some strong mental issues btw.

I have a connection between Greeks and Anatolians from the Bronze Age it was mapped in my samples. I suggest that you and Konstantine whatever he calls himself as strong mental issues.

[Leto]

Her mother, she is Lebanese Alevi:


And she is half NW European. Has no any connection neither with Greeks nor Anatolians.

I suspect there is some strong mental issues btw.
Cool background, nothing to be ashamed of.

[Samnium]

I've ran you through Eurogenes OVH calculator :

Target: Lena
Distance: 2.5252% / 2.52521147 | ADC: 0.25x
43.8 Umbria
27.0 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
11.2 Scottish
9.6 Turk_Burgas
7.6 Saudi
0.4 Ethiopian_Amhara
0.4 Makrani

Closest 20 populations

Distance to: Lena
7.64859464 Greek_Central-Macedonia
7.76320166 Turk_Alexandroupoli
9.05152473 Romagna
9.47498285 Umbria
9.64806198 Marche
9.92426320 Greek_Western-Macedonia
9.93647825 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
10.01333383 Kosovo_Albanian
10.05706717 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
10.09121896 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
10.10248484 Tuscan
10.16873148 Macedonian_Southeast
10.17334262 Turk_Kavala
10.35916502 Lazio
10.41922742 Albanian_Kosovo
10.53825887 Vlach_North-Macedonia
10.58430914 Turk_Stara-Zagora
10.63992951 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
10.65175103 Tuscany
10.82301714 Greek_Peloponnese
10.85911599 Albanian_Montenegro
10.90662643 Albanian
11.04262650 Turk_Kazanlik
11.04939817 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
11.09883778 Greek_Thessaly


Closest 100 populations


Distance to: Lena
7.64859464 Greek_Central-Macedonia
7.76320166 Turk_Alexandroupoli
9.05152473 Romagna
9.47498285 Umbria
9.64806198 Marche
9.92426320 Greek_Western-Macedonia
9.93647825 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
10.01333383 Kosovo_Albanian
10.05706717 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
10.09121896 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
10.10248484 Tuscan
10.16873148 Macedonian_Southeast
10.17334262 Turk_Kavala
10.35916502 Lazio
10.41922742 Albanian_Kosovo
10.53825887 Vlach_North-Macedonia
10.58430914 Turk_Stara-Zagora
10.63992951 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
10.65175103 Tuscany
10.82301714 Greek_Peloponnese
10.85911599 Albanian_Montenegro
10.90662643 Albanian
11.04262650 Turk_Kazanlik
11.04939817 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
11.09883778 Greek_Thessaly
11.11982464 Emilia
11.17139651 Greek_Western-Thrace
11.19528026 Albanian_south_Albania
11.39603001 Albanian_north_Albania
11.39944736 Albanian_Macedonia
11.42349334 Turk_Kardzhali-East
11.44540956 Albanian_Albania
11.53728738 GR_Peloponese
11.56893686 Greek_Andros_Island
11.65180244 Friuli-VG
11.69421652 Basilicata
11.89470050 Liguria
11.91701016 North_Macedonian
11.98166516 Abruzzo
12.12566287 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
12.27085572 Albanian_central_Albania
12.27986563 Turk_Targovishte
12.36488981 Turk_Burgas
12.42717184 Bulgarian_Southwest
12.52333821 West_Sicilian
12.59172347 Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes
12.67557494 Bulgarian_Serres
12.69154837 Turk_Thessaloniki
12.73144532 Bulgarian_Central
12.81324705 Molise
12.82327961 Bulgarian_Burgas
12.86473863 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
12.95255187 Turk_Crete
13.14752068 Veneto
13.39304670 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
13.42142690 Greek_Istanbul
13.51439233 Greek_Thessaloniki
13.56567851 GR_Macedonia
13.57375777 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
13.64217358 Apulia
13.80978639 Macedonian_East
13.87055875 Pomak_Nevrokopi
13.97232622 Macedonian_Northwest
14.13595416 Turk_Xanthi
14.14202956 Bulgarian
14.15727728 Piedmont
14.25169113 Central_Greek
14.29095868 Turk_Razgrad
14.31159691 Bulgarian_Thrace
14.31282642 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
14.31979399 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
14.37432781 Moldova_South
14.38983669 Turk_Dobrich
14.42957726 Romanian_Muntenia
14.49800331 Pomak_Kavala
14.61925785 East_Sicilian
14.66060708 Pomak_Drama
14.75640200 Romanian_Wallachia_average
14.80223294 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
14.80344217 Campania
14.85331949 Lombardy
14.87380986 Macedonian
14.99632288 FrenchCorsica
15.03295048 Romanian_Oltenia
15.05233869 Sicily
15.40812448 Greek_Northern-Thrace
15.46701975 Macedonian_North
15.47654031 Trentino
15.48114337 Montenegrin
15.50469929 Bosniak_Sandzak
15.64063298 Macedonian_Central
16.07174228 Malta
16.07731632 Turk_Kardzhali-West
16.12507674 Turk_Drama
16.13762994 Macedonian_Southwest
16.26636407 Romanian_Transylvania
16.41532516 Turk_Sliven-Alevi
16.47934768 Turk_Komotini
16.75102385 Pomak_Komotini
16.83985748 Turk_N-Macedonia


Whit results.

[Leto]

I have a connection between Greeks and Anatolians from the Bronze Age it was mapped in my samples. I suggest that you and Konstantine whatever he calls himself as strong mental issues.
You do seem to have mental issues, no offense. Nobody asked you about K36 or PCA or anything like that. People knew what ethnicity or nationality is long before those things came to be.

[Rabbit Hole]

Plot like a Central Italian if I have to say.

I am partly Levant I have a mix of Greek, Roman from Tuscany and Anatolian. This is why pca charts don't make sense it's not as simple as labelled people Lebanese Syrian Tuscan Cypriot Spanish Iberian and God knows what else they need to know their deep rooted ethnicity
distinct ethnicity ( racial makeup )

Here are the markers from Greece Rome and Anatolia most of the markers are from the Bronze Age https://snipboard.io/TJSHim.jpg https://snipboard.io/gdbvUN.jpg
https://snipboard.io/4dLXKQ.jpg

[Rabbit Hole]

You do seem to have mental issues, no offense. Nobody asked you about K36 or PCA or anything like that. People knew what ethnicity or nationality is long before those things came to be.

I don't have any type of mental issues I am just sick of getting attacked by users because I knoe history and I am trying to explain away how I mean.

[Rabbit Hole]

You do seem to have mental issues, no offense. Nobody asked you about K36 or PCA or anything like that. People knew what ethnicity or nationality is long before those things came to be.

I don't have any type of mental issues I am just sick of getting attacked by users because I know history and I am trying to explain away what I mean.

[Babak]

So to put this all together, youre half levantine half white. Interesting results and congrats. Theres nothing to be ashamed of.

[Leto]

I don't have any type of mental issues I am just sick of getting attacked by users because I knoe history and I am trying to explain away how I mean.
Who is attacking you in tis thread? I don't see anything like that.

[Rabbit Hole]

Her mother, she is Lebanese Alevi:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 39.84
2 West_Asian 22.54
3 West_Med 13.6
4 Red_Sea 11.21
5 North_Atlantic 5
6 Northeast_African 2.77
7 South_Asian 2.14
8 Sub-Saharan 1.57
9 Baltic 0.6
10 Amerindian 0.38
11 Siberian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 1.69
2 Syrian 3.63
3 Jordanian 7.55
4 Cyprian 7.76
5 Samaritan 7.87
6 Lebanese_Christian 8.08
7 Palestinian 8.41
8 Lebanese_Druze 8.77
9 Kurdish_Jewish 9.16
10 Iranian_Jewish 9.54
11 Assyrian 10.66
12 Tunisian_Jewish 11.99
13 Libyan_Jewish 12.45
14 Bedouin 13.25
15 Georgian_Jewish 13.82
16 Sephardic_Jewish 14.23
17 Turkish 14.61
18 Algerian_Jewish 15.8
19 Italian_Jewish 16.15
20 Armenian 16.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 5.7% Egyptian @ 1.27
2 87.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 12.2% Jordanian @ 1.33
3 89.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 10.8% Palestinian @ 1.35
4 98.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.2% Sandawe @ 1.42
5 98.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.2% Maasai @ 1.43
6 93.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 6.3% Bedouin @ 1.44
7 99% Lebanese_Muslim + 1% San @ 1.45
8 99% Lebanese_Muslim + 1% Sudanese @ 1.45
9 97% Lebanese_Muslim + 3% Algerian @ 1.45
10 99.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 0.9% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 1.45
11 96.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.2% Tunisian @ 1.46
12 99% Lebanese_Muslim + 1% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 1.46
13 98.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.5% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 1.46
14 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% Mozabite_Berber @ 1.46
15 99.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 0.9% Bantu_N.E. @ 1.47
16 98.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.5% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 1.47
17 99.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 0.9% Luhya @ 1.47
18 98.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.2% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 1.48
19 99% Lebanese_Muslim + 1% Hadza @ 1.48
20 99.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 0.8% Biaka_Pygmy @ 1.48


And she is half NW European. Has no any connection neither with Greeks nor Anatolians.

I suspect there is some strong mental issues btw.

https://snipboard.io/TJSHim.jpg

https://snipboard.io/gdbvUN.jpg

https://snipboard.io/4dLXKQ.jpg

There you can see I am a mixture of North European and Greek Anatolian Roman. What part of ''plotting with Lebanese Muslims'' is so hard for you to grasp? It's the Levant I plot with the Levant!

[Rabbit Hole]

So to put this all together, youre half levantine half white. Interesting results and congrats. Theres nothing to be ashamed of.

The Levant is Caucasian there is no such thing as White or non White it's defined by genetics not geographic location and it's not even if i am white or not it's me making a variation between Bronze Age and Iron Age samples.

[Samnium]

I am partly Levant I have a mix of Greek, Roman from Tuscany and Anatolian. This is why pca charts don't make sense it's not as simple as labelled people Lebanese Syrian Tuscan Cypriot Spanish Iberian and God knows what else they need to know their deep rooted ethnicity
distinct ethnicity ( racial makeup )

Here are the markers from Greece Rome and Anatolia most of the markers are from the Bronze Age https://snipboard.io/TJSHim.jpg https://snipboard.io/gdbvUN.jpg
https://snipboard.io/4dLXKQ.jpg

PCA can be meaningless for "mixed" people I agree, an half NW Euro half East Slav will plot probably in East Germany, an half Levantine/half White will plot in Mainland Greece or Islands (if the White parent is Southern Euro), yet all these persons aren't related to the populations with they plot.

I'm also "mixed", so I'm in the same situation.

[Dr_Maul]

They are good results. I think people may have said things to you because of how you present your ethnicity. It probably got confusing for some people especially in regards to ethnicities/societies that existed many thousands of years ago. And I think people here are probably asking about the racial identity that your individual parents identify with, which I assume is more akin to modern nations

[Leto]

The Levant is Caucasian there is no such thing as White or non White it's defined by genetics not geographic location and it's not even if i am white or not it's me making a variation between Bronze Age and Iron Age samples.
Your father is white British, don't be ridiculous.

[Rabbit Hole]

Who is attacking you in tis thread? I don't see anything like that.

That Turkish guy who said to me I don't have anything in common between Greeks, Romans or Anatolians when all my samples are from Greeks, Romans and Anatolians. he repeats it like a loop like every day. Now the new attacker is Konstantinos.

If I say I am from the Levant because I have Greek-Roman-Anatolian results why is that an issue? Even the website says that people in the Levant descend from the Bronze Age match up to Bronze Age Canaanite samples that were Anatolian based, it even matches the places in Turkey and Armenia that was sampled Levantine people are a mix of Greek-Roman Anatolian but Bronze Age Anatolian.

[Rabbit Hole]

Your father is white British, don't be ridiculous.

I am not talking about that, I am defining the Levant in different time periods. Don't be ridiculous.

[Leto]

That Turkish guy who said to me I don't have anything in common between Greeks, Romans or Anatolians when all my samples are from Greeks, Romans and Anatolians. he repeats it like a loop like every day. Now the new attacker is Konstantinos.

If I say I am from the Levant because I have Greek-Roman-Anatolian results why is that an issue? Even the website says that people in the Levant descend from the Bronze Age match up to Bronze Age Canaanite samples that were Anatolian based, it even matches the places in Turkey and Armenia that was sampled Levantine people are a mix of Greek-Roman Anatolian but Bronze Age Anatolian.
But you ain't Greek or Anatolian if your mom is Lebanese Alevi and your father is British.

[Rabbit Hole]

They are good results. I think people may have said things to you because of how you present your ethnicity. It probably got confusing for some people especially in regards to ethnicities/societies that existed many thousands of years ago. And I think people here are probably asking about the racial identity that your individual parents identify with, which I assume is more akin to modern nations

I know and that's the issue here, they want me to make no variation between the Levant in a certain time period to todays time period. I want to define myself as Bronze Age Levantine I don't see what the problem is here because that's what I am matched up with.

[Rabbit Hole]

But you ain't Greek or Anatolian if your mom is Lebanese Alevi and your father is British.

But it says here that I have samples from Mycenaean Greece, from Rome and from the UK did you read them? Do you not understand how PCA charts they're matching population samples not ethnicity. Yes, she matches up with the levant during the Bronze Age and during the Bronze Age samples there were a mixture of Greek, Tuscan and Anatolian.

[Dr_Maul]

I know and that's the issue here, they want me to make no variation between the Levant in a certain time period to todays time period. I want to define myself as Bronze Age Levantine I don't see what the problem is here because that's what I am matched up with.

Well, I understand what you're saying. I still think that you could have probably said that you are a modern Lebanese that plots close to Ancient Levantines, I personally don't see anything wrong with that

[Babak]

But it says here that I have samples from Mycenaean Greece, from Rome and from the UK did you read them? Do you not understand how PCA charts they're matching population samples not ethnicity. Yes, she matches up with the levant during the Bronze Age and during the Bronze Age samples there were a mixture of Greek, Tuscan and Anatolian.

But your autosomal dna results show otherwise though.

[andre]

I have a connection between Greeks and Anatolians from the Bronze Age it was mapped in my samples. I suggest that you and Konstantine whatever he calls himself as strong mental issues.

You identify in bronze age populations? Wtf?

So i should identify as canaanite too, due to my jewish ancestry.
Or i should be Dacian? Slavic from Baltic or Ugric?

[happycow]

we wuz anatolianz n sheeit

[SUPREEEEEME]

You identify in bronze age populations? Wtf?

So i should identify as canaanite too, due to my jewish ancestry.
Or i should be Dacian? Slavic from Baltic or Ugric?

You've hit a nerve.

Don't you know Jews aren't Canaanite according to her?:rolleyes:

[Rabbit Hole]

But you ain't Greek or Anatolian if your mom is Lebanese Alevi and your father is British.

https://snipboard.io/TJSHim.jpg
https://snipboard.io/gdbvUN.jpg
https://snipboard.io/4dLXKQ.jpg

This is my results through my K36 it says Mycenaean Greece 1:500bce 1:300 Mycenaean Greece then it says Minoan 1,850 and Anatolian 8.000bce 6,500bce 6,200bce 3,830bce 2,000bce

[Rabbit Hole]

You identify in bronze age populations? Wtf?

So i should identify as canaanite too, due to my jewish ancestry.
Or i should be Dacian? Slavic from Baltic or Ugric?

Time periods in geographical locations were different racially. You can define yourself as you want. The Canaanites came to the levant during the Iron Age, my samples are Bronze Age

[Rabbit Hole]

You've hit a nerve.

Don't you know Jews aren't Canaanite according to her?:rolleyes:

canaanites took over in 1,200BCE my samples stop at 1,3000BCE that's why I match up to Bronze Age populations not Iron Age populations. But they can't even get simplistic things like that. How have I hit a nerve at least my samples are older than yours.

[Mingle]

I have to keep it bumped, as now and again I get called an 'Arab' or Asian by users here who think I am saying it to be ashamed when I am not

So then why not just put that you're Arab/Levantine in your profile instead of the current confusing mess that's over there?



Meta-Ethnicity
Hellenic , Romance, Hittite/Anatolian, UK

Ethnicity
Caucasian: they call me Europa

Ancestry
Pre historic wide eyed Med.

[SUPREEEEEME]

canaanites took over in 1,200BCE my samples stop at 1,3000BCE that's why I match up to Bronze Age populations not Iron Age populations. But they can't even get simplistic things like that. How have I hit a nerve at least my samples are older than yours.

I could bring out (like most here) Natufian or Neolithic samples - but what would be the point?

[Rabbit Hole]

But your autosomal dna results show otherwise though.
https://snipboard.io/4dLXKQ.jpg
https://snipboard.io/TJSHim.jpg
https://snipboard.io/TJSHim.jpg

This is my K36 the result through Ged it lists the types of Greeks the type of Anatolians ( at least location wise ) and the types of Roman populations that I am matched up with and again this is through my K36

[Rabbit Hole]

I could bring out (like most here) Natufian or Neolithic samples - but what would be the point?

You ran your data your data matched up to 1,200BCE which is when the Iron Age started and the israelites when the Israelites came to the part of Canaanite. Natufians are pre historic

It matches up percently to Israelite populations in the Levant from 1,200bce.

My samples stop at the end of the bronze Ages, yours begins at the beginning of the Iron Age

[Rabbit Hole]

So then why not just put that you're Arab/Levantine in your profile instead of the current confusing mess that's over there?

Because there is a distinction in Levantine populations according to time period. My samples match up to Bronze Age samples in the levant which is mostly a combination of Greek, Roman and Anatolian. I can't define myself as levantine I have to define myself as Bronze Age Levantine because that's what I am racially.

[Leto]

You've hit a nerve.

Don't you know Jews aren't Canaanite according to her?:rolleyes:
To be honest you are half Canaanite at most. You aren't fully native to the Levant, let's be honest.

[Mingle]

Because there is a distinction in Levantine populations according to time period. My samples match up to Bronze Age samples in the levant which is mostly a combination of Greek, Roman and Anatolian. I can't define myself as levantine I have to define myself as Bronze Age Levantine because that's what I am racially.

So what modern population are you genetically closest to? Or are you mixed?

[Rabbit Hole]

Well, I understand what you're saying. I still think that you could have probably said that you are a modern Lebanese that plots close to Ancient Levantines, I personally don't see anything wrong with that

I know you understand what I am saying and that is what I am going to say and what I have always said but I don't think the people here understand that they continue to say ''but you match with the levant'' without having a clue of what that would even mean racially historically etc.

[Rabbit Hole]

So what modern population are you genetically closest to? Or are you mixed?

Levantine Bronze Age samples match up to a combination of ancient Greek which is defined as Mycenaean and Roman which is defined here under South East Europe https://snipboard.io/TJSHim.jpg

Anatolian https://snipboard.io/TJSHim.jpg West Asian which is defined here and Bronze Age levant https://snipboard.io/TJSHim.jpg these are Natufian samples.
So Bronze Age Levantine samples which are pre historic match up to ancient Greeks Romans from Tuscany ( this is news to me ) and ethnic Anatolians who were Hittite.

[Rabbit Hole]

To be honest you are half Canaanite at most. You aren't fully native to the Levant, let's be honest.

Bronze Age samples are different to Iron Age samples.

[Ion Basescul]

She is right to identify as Ancient Roman if she wants, because her mom is closest to them. But still, it's the modern identity that should take priority IMO. I doubt your family raised you as an Imperial Roman.


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Distance to:
Rabbit_Hole_Mom


5.49935451
R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


5.80156875
R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


7.38050811
R1547_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


7.38497800
R70_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


7.51410008
R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


8.47437903
R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


8.92108177
MA2210_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp


9.50399390
R38_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


9.79117460
R130_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity


9.79392669
65_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3650_ybp


9.86527749
R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial


10.39173229
MA2213_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp


10.91233247
Canaanite_ERS1790730_


10.95389885
Sidon_BA_ERS1790730_


11.13199892
54_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3770_ybp


11.17489597
R41_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


11.42348896
R75_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


11.77810681
R67_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


12.14235150
R73_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


12.27475865
R71_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


12.30186571
MA2205_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp


12.78321165
R115_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


12.90252301
I2683_Anatolia_EBA_4494_ybp


13.06936494
R66_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


13.38554444
R123_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial


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Target: Rabbit_Hole_Mom
Distance: 1.1993% / 1.19925081 | ADC: 0.25x
34.2 R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
26.8 R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
14.0 Sidon_BA_ERS1790729_
13.0 R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
5.4 R1543_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
3.6 R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
1.6 Khoesan_Hunter_South_Africa_2100BP.SG_2103_ybp
1.4 I3726_Tanzania_Luxmanda_3100BP_3079_ybp

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13_ancient-vahaduo.htm

[Rabbit Hole]

PCA can be meaningless for "mixed" people I agree, an half NW Euro half East Slav will plot probably in East Germany, an half Levantine/half White will plot in Mainland Greece or Islands (if the White parent is Southern Euro), yet all these persons aren't related to the populations with they plot.

I'm also "mixed", so I'm in the same situation.

Exactly that's why I want to define myself as a time period not a geographical location. But Mustafa Kemal Ataturk doesn't get that he doesn't get that during the Bronze Age the Levant was populated by ancient Greeks, Romans and Anatolians why can't I define myself as that apart from partly Levantine. I mean why would a partly Middle Easterner end up in Tuscany and if Levantines are pretty Oriental why do they plot next to the very people who descend from the ancient Greeks which is Greek Cypriots?

[Rabbit Hole]

She is right to identify as Ancient Roman if she wants, because her mom is closest to them. But still, it's the modern identity that should take priority IMO. I doubt your family raised you as an Imperial Roman.


<tbody>
Distance to:
Rabbit_Hole_Mom


5.49935451
R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


5.80156875
R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


7.38050811
R1547_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


7.38497800
R70_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


7.51410008
R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


8.47437903
R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


8.92108177
MA2210_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp


9.50399390
R38_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


9.79117460
R130_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity


9.79392669
65_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3650_ybp


9.86527749
R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial


10.39173229
MA2213_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp


10.91233247
Canaanite_ERS1790730_


10.95389885
Sidon_BA_ERS1790730_


11.13199892
54_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3770_ybp


11.17489597
R41_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


11.42348896
R75_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


11.77810681
R67_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


12.14235150
R73_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


12.27475865
R71_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


12.30186571
MA2205_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp


12.78321165
R115_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


12.90252301
I2683_Anatolia_EBA_4494_ybp


13.06936494
R66_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


13.38554444
R123_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial


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Target: Rabbit_Hole_Mom
Distance: 1.1993% / 1.19925081 | ADC: 0.25x
34.2 R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
26.8 R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
14.0 Sidon_BA_ERS1790729_
13.0 R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
5.4 R1543_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
3.6 R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
1.6 Khoesan_Hunter_South_Africa_2100BP.SG_2103_ybp
1.4 I3726_Tanzania_Luxmanda_3100BP_3079_ybp

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13_ancient-vahaduo.htm
ump to Southern Levant - Gradually, by the end of the ensuing Dark Age, remnants of the Hittites coalesced into small Syro-Hittite states in Cilicia and the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse that's a Bronze Age Syro-Hittie result. Thank you only proves further my point.
Do I do have Roman ancestors and Levantine Bronze Age Anatolian Canaanite and Greek and I am not just making it up? Anyway thank you, I shall keep that and show her.

[Rgvgjhvv]

You identify in bronze age populations? Wtf?

So i should identify as canaanite too, due to my jewish ancestry.
Or i should be Dacian? Slavic from Baltic or Ugric?

I identify as a Bronze age bitch

[Rabbit Hole]

Funny that sample had no ancient Greek which I am disappointed about? Sidon was also a Phoenician port during the Bronze Age so that checks out also.

Anatolia 4,700BCE
that's Bronze Age
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=di7Dc7Y1ETYC&pg=PA110&lpg=PA110&dq=anatolia+%224700%22+0+years+bronze+age&source=bl&ots=jlkJ1KZekq&sig=ACfU3U3Kivy2yTSrkcTGQX718df9pGbxLg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi5nfbgypjpAhXoShUIHQBbCLIQ6AEwAHoECAkQA Q#v=onepage&q=anatolia%20%224700%22%200%20years%20bronze%20age&f=false

Lebanon Canaanite 3,650 years ago
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/07/ancient-dna-reveals-fate-mysterious-canaanites

All of these are Bronze Age samples.

[Reis-i Cumhur]

Nice results but i have an question,Are you brunette or brown or light ? I ask because i had lebanese teacher in my uni and he was light skinned armenoid,He looked anatolian to me,Some lebanese people look anatolian Are you one of them ?

[Hithaeglir]

You are a creepy lady, so you're not Greek after all :)

[Samnium]

Exactly that's why I want to define myself as a time period not a geographical location. But Mustafa Kemal Ataturk doesn't get that he doesn't get that during the Bronze Age the Levant was populated by ancient Greeks, Romans and Anatolians why can't I define myself as that apart from partly Levantine. I mean why would a partly Middle Easterner end up in Tuscany and if Levantines are pretty Oriental why do they plot next to the very people who descend from the ancient Greeks which is Greek Cypriots?

Ancient Greeks didn't looked like Cypriots though. More like Aegean Greeks/Southern Italians.

[Rabbit Hole]

Nice results but i have an question,Are you brunette or brown or light ? I ask because i had lebanese teacher in my uni and he was light skinned armenoid,He looked anatolian to me,Some lebanese people look anatolian Are you one of them ?

it's like a country of 7,000 years of invasion. That's all I can say.

[Rabbit Hole]

Ancient Greeks didn't looked like Cypriots though. More like Aegean Greeks/Southern Italians.

Scientists identify Greek Cypriots as descending from the ancient Greeks I speak more of genotype not phenotypes.

[Rabbit Hole]

You are a creepy lady, so you're not Greek after all :)
It's ancient Greek on my k36 it says ancient Greek. which is Mycenaean and that's four samples not all my samples.

[Rabbit Hole]

If I were to go by my results I would identify as Roman and Greek then because I plot in tuscany/north Greece? :lol:, it's not accurate because there are genetically equivalent populations from my own region that I descend from. lack of samples from the middle East may give her these readings.

It's not lack of samples these are genetic samples, in the same way you will get Albanian samples where Albanians have settled, North Greece, Kosovo South Italy.

[Kamal900]

So..you're half Levantine Lebanese and half British then? I mean, Levantines are a very mixed bunch in the middle east and so on, so..yeah.

[Leto]

It's ancient Greek on my k36 it says ancient Greek. which is Mycenaean and that's four samples not all my samples.
What do you look like? Share your photo if you don't mind.

[Rabbit Hole]

So..you're half Levantine Lebanese and half British then? I mean, Levantines are a very mixed bunch in the middle east and so on, so..yeah.

I know all my point was is that because I define myself as a Bronze Age Levantine, which according to scientists as ''indigenous'' I am somehow confused wrong and scared. Because Levantine is a race and people have been the same since the year dot as today. I had all my samples as Bronze Age Levant which is basically Anatolian first, then Roman then Greek but pre historic Greek not mainland Greek because God forbid right?

I mean God forbid I actually define myself what I say I am racially rather than a geographic location ( which makes even less sense. I mean btw if you define yourself as Palestinian you're wrong you must define yourself as Middle Eastern or even Levantine too if that's what your samples say.

[Rabbit Hole]

Btw that comment about me being an imperial Roman was funny imagine a smelly Muslim being related to Eastern Romans lol.

[Kamal900]

I know all my point was is that because I define myself as a Bronze Age Levantine, which according to scientists as ''indigenous'' I am somehow confused wrong and scared. Because Levantine is a race and people have been the same since the year dot as today. I had all my samples as Bronze Age Levant which is basically Anatolian first, then Roman then Greek but pre historic Greek not mainland Greek because God forbid right?

I mean God forbid I actually define myself what I say I am racially rather than a geographic location ( which makes even less sense. I mean btw if you define yourself as Palestinian you're wrong you must define yourself as Middle Eastern or even Levantine too if that's what your samples say.

Hmm, yeah, but it's very confusing to people if you specify your ethnicity based on genetic ancestries and so on. I mean, Palestinian Muslim Arabs for example are around 20% Egyptian admixed, and they're the only Levantine group that has a significant genetic overlap with the ancient Egyptians in the middle east other than their modern day descendants(both Muslims and Copts). I myself score little Egyptian admixture, but I'm over 10% Berber genetically due to the migrations of Berbers to Palestine in the last two hundred years or so. I'm genetically more Jewish than the average western Jewish peoples, and yet, I don't identify myself as Jewish because of it. I mean, it's fine for you to take pride in your genetic heritage and all but it shouldn't factor in your ethnic and national identity though.

[Rabbit Hole]

You are simply Lebanese Muslim and Anglo but it seems like it's not enough for you? It's ironic that people with such a modernist view of ethnic identity seem to identify with ancient populations.
What do you mean where albanians have settled? Albanians did not settle in Kosovo because we have specific autosomal trends that other Albanians do not have, so forget that once and for all. It's weird that an Anglo Lebanese is so opinionated about my country and ethnicity.

Because it's defined by genetics, not geographical location and Lebanese who are indigenous descend from Bronze Age Canaanites samples who were Hittite ( Anatolian ) I want to define myself racially because people in the Levant are mixed according to religion time period. That's not me being ashamed, that's me giving people my ethnic background. In the same way you call yourself Albanian first but Tosk or Gheg second.

I define myself as Levantine but Greco Roman Anatolian racially, because that's my personal ethnic make up or genetic result I guess. I am not ashamed, the Phoenicians given the world the alphabet, traded with people made ports etc. If that's what I am related to I am certainly not ashamed of being related to that even if I don't plot in Bulgaria or Former Yugo

[catgeorge]

European shifted Levantine isn't Greek.

[catgeorge]

Just like a Greek marrying a Russian their offspring isn't a Serb.

[Rabbit Hole]

Hmm, yeah, but it's very confusing to people if you specify your ethnicity based on genetic ancestries and so on. I mean, Palestinian Muslim Arabs for example are around 20% Egyptian admixed, and they're the only Levantine group that has a significant genetic overlap with the ancient Egyptians in the middle east other than their modern day descendants(both Muslims and Copts). I myself score little Egyptian admixture, but I'm over 10% Berber genetically due to the migrations of Berbers to Palestine in the last two hundred years or so. I'm genetically more Jewish than the average western Jewish peoples, and yet, I don't identify myself as Jewish because of it. I mean, it's fine for you to take pride in your genetic heritage and all but it shouldn't factor in your ethnic and national identity though.

It doesn't and I don't, I don't look down on others different from me or genetic samples that are different from me. I joined this forum because a troll was comparing my samples to South Europeans and saying that they're all partly West Asian. Which doesn't make sense for two reasons, partly because West Asian is mixed according to history I mean you're West Asian you're Palestinian, but your samples are different but that's fine I never given you a hard time over it.

I don't look down on other Middle Easterners I never compared myself to South Europeans but that konstante whatever he calls himself said something that hurt me and he obviously has some complex because it's the second time he's attacked me. I mean even scientists say it samples from Sidon and Tyre are Bronze Age but it's a problem, it's a issue.

[Rabbit Hole]

European shifted Levantine isn't Greek.

Levantine is Greek Roman Anatolian mixed during the Bronze Age-That was my K36 result.

[Rabbit Hole]

Just like a Greek marrying a Russian their offspring isn't a Serb.

Depends what Greek, What Serb what Russian.

And you don't like any type of Greeks anyway I am so glad a Cypriot joined also so you can attack him and abuse him .

[catgeorge]

Levantine is Greek Roman Anatolian mixed during the Bronze Age-That was my K36 result.

Your Levantine (most probably further east) and UK admixture came up as European shifted Levantine

[catgeorge]

Depends what Greek, What Serb what Russian.

And you don't like any type of Greeks anyway I am so glad a Cypriot joined also so you can attack him and abuse him .

Why would I attack and abuse Greek Cypriots. Long time Cypriot members here know my feelings towards them and its anything but negative. I just don't like weird and shady people like you.

[Leto]

Her mother, she is Lebanese Alevi:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 39.84
2 West_Asian 22.54
3 West_Med 13.6
4 Red_Sea 11.21
5 North_Atlantic 5
6 Northeast_African 2.77
7 South_Asian 2.14
8 Sub-Saharan 1.57
9 Baltic 0.6
10 Amerindian 0.38
11 Siberian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 1.69
2 Syrian 3.63
3 Jordanian 7.55
4 Cyprian 7.76
5 Samaritan 7.87
6 Lebanese_Christian 8.08
7 Palestinian 8.41
8 Lebanese_Druze 8.77
9 Kurdish_Jewish 9.16
10 Iranian_Jewish 9.54
11 Assyrian 10.66
12 Tunisian_Jewish 11.99
13 Libyan_Jewish 12.45
14 Bedouin 13.25
15 Georgian_Jewish 13.82
16 Sephardic_Jewish 14.23
17 Turkish 14.61
18 Algerian_Jewish 15.8
19 Italian_Jewish 16.15
20 Armenian 16.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.3% Lebanese_Muslim + 5.7% Egyptian @ 1.27
2 87.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 12.2% Jordanian @ 1.33
3 89.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 10.8% Palestinian @ 1.35
4 98.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.2% Sandawe @ 1.42
5 98.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.2% Maasai @ 1.43
6 93.7% Lebanese_Muslim + 6.3% Bedouin @ 1.44
7 99% Lebanese_Muslim + 1% San @ 1.45
8 99% Lebanese_Muslim + 1% Sudanese @ 1.45
9 97% Lebanese_Muslim + 3% Algerian @ 1.45
10 99.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 0.9% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 1.45
11 96.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 3.2% Tunisian @ 1.46
12 99% Lebanese_Muslim + 1% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 1.46
13 98.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.5% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 1.46
14 97.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 2.8% Mozabite_Berber @ 1.46
15 99.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 0.9% Bantu_N.E. @ 1.47
16 98.5% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.5% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 1.47
17 99.1% Lebanese_Muslim + 0.9% Luhya @ 1.47
18 98.8% Lebanese_Muslim + 1.2% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 1.48
19 99% Lebanese_Muslim + 1% Hadza @ 1.48
20 99.2% Lebanese_Muslim + 0.8% Biaka_Pygmy @ 1.48


And she is half NW European. Has no any connection neither with Greeks nor Anatolians.

I suspect there is some strong mental issues btw.
Population
Gedrosia 13.77 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 4.81 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.15 Pct
Atlantic_Med 14.85 Pct
North_European 1.80 Pct
South_Asian 0.60 Pct
East_African 3.16 Pct
Southwest_Asian 21.22 Pct
East_Asian 0.15 Pct
Caucasus 38.96 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.52 Pct

Distance to: Lena's_mom
5.52877925 Nusayri_Turkey
5.81829013 Lebanese
8.67414549 Syrians
9.29142077 Jordanians
12.39848378 Druze
12.58314746 Palestinian
12.60612946 Iraq_Jews
12.99165886 Turkmen_Iraq
13.19651469 Assyrian
13.19880676 Uzbekistan_Jews

Target: Lena's_mom
Distance: 2.5431% / 2.54310088 | ADC: 0.5x
70.8 Nusayri_Turkey
26.6 Jordanians
1.0 Brahui
1.0 Makrani
0.6 Algerian

Target: Lena's_mom
Distance: 1.1751% / 1.17507422 | ADC: 0.25x
69.6 Nusayri_Turkey
24.6 Jordanians
3.2 Brahui
1.8 Moroccan
0.8 Somali

Original spreadsheet:

Target: Lena's_mom
Distance: 2.0981% / 2.09806864 | ADC: 0.25x
50.6 Lebanese
15.4 Jordanians
15.0 Iranians
11.8 Morocco_Jews
4.4 Iraq_Jews
2.8 Sardinian

What is Nusayri? :confused:

[Rabbit Hole]

Why would I attack and abuse Greek Cypriots. Long time Cypriot members here know my feelings towards them and its anything but negative. I just don't like weird and shady people like you.

No well you thumbed down SuperSpartans comment when he made a wisecrack over his looks. Saying CatGeorge will probably say you're too swarthy to fit in the mainland. Why did you thumb down SuperSpartans comment?

When I joined this forum you said that anything that's not from Yugoslavia is basicallly the same race as Turks Arabs and Jews. Do I have to point to the threads and highlight the comments.

You have confessed that you're an Arvante in posts that's why I am saying it.

[Rabbit Hole]

Population
Gedrosia 13.77 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 4.81 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.15 Pct
Atlantic_Med 14.85 Pct
North_European 1.80 Pct
South_Asian 0.60 Pct
East_African 3.16 Pct
Southwest_Asian 21.22 Pct
East_Asian 0.15 Pct
Caucasus 38.96 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.52 Pct

Distance to: Lena's_mom
5.52877925 Nusayri_Turkey
5.81829013 Lebanese
8.67414549 Syrians
9.29142077 Jordanians
12.39848378 Druze
12.58314746 Palestinian
12.60612946 Iraq_Jews
12.99165886 Turkmen_Iraq
13.19651469 Assyrian
13.19880676 Uzbekistan_Jews

Target: Lena's_mom
Distance: 2.5431% / 2.54310088 | ADC: 0.5x
70.8 Nusayri_Turkey
26.6 Jordanians
1.0 Brahui
1.0 Makrani
0.6 Algerian

Target: Lena's_mom
Distance: 1.1751% / 1.17507422 | ADC: 0.25x
69.6 Nusayri_Turkey
24.6 Jordanians
3.2 Brahui
1.8 Moroccan
0.8 Somali

Original spreadsheet:

Target: Lena's_mom
Distance: 2.0981% / 2.09806864 | ADC: 0.25x
50.6 Lebanese
15.4 Jordanians
15.0 Iranians
11.8 Morocco_Jews
4.4 Iraq_Jews
2.8 Sardinian

What is Nusayri? :confused:

I don't know, but I think that the k36 was the best one.

[Rabbit Hole]

Your Levantine (most probably further east) and UK admixture came up as European shifted Levantine

My Levantine result matched up to Bronze Age samples from Anatolia ancient Greece and Roman Tuscany all of them Bronze Age and there isn't a damn thing that you or that anyone else can do anything about it. You joined this forum to troll I joined this forum because a troll was trolling with my result.

[Leto]

I don't know, but I think that the k36 was the best one.
What do you look like?

[catgeorge]

She'll be close to something like this

https://i.imgur.com/lv3ezrj.jpg

[Rabbit Hole]

What do you look like?

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No problem, those Imperial Romans are indeed close to your mom and by extension you. But you still need to respect your modern identity, as there's nothing to be ashamed of. The cultural aspect is more important than the genetic one anyway.
So are you sure that's my result and not my mother's my mother was this on k36

Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions

This utility uses the Eurogenes K36 model, created by Davidski (Polako). Questions and comments about this model
should be directed to him at his Eurogenes Genetic Ancestry Project blog.
Software Version: Mar 13 2020 01:31:35

Kit Number: H400232 Elapsed Time: 24.24 seconds





Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 9.40 Pct
Armenian 4.87 Pct
Basque 3.66 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 23.58 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French 1.87 Pct
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 9.23 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 25.10 Pct
North_African 2.94 Pct
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian 8.49 Pct
North_Sea -
Northeast_African 2.82 Pct
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 3.40 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.63 Pct
West_Med -
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321864-Lena-s-Bronze-Age-results/page7


So is that what she matches up to or what I match up to?
Yep, those were your mother's results on Eurogenes K13. Yours will be more Northern-shifted, since you are half Northwest European.
Recent ancestry: 2/4 Central Moldova (Orhei district), 1/4 Southern Moldova (Cahul district), 1/4 Northern Moldova (Briceni district)
Autosomal DNA
Mind the SNPs
So that imperial Roman was mine this is my result through my Levantine heritage, so is it ok if I claim it? Or is it too much to ask?


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321864-Lena-s-Bronze-Age-results/page7

From my Levantine result this was my result on this forum

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321864-Lena-s-Bronze-Age-results/page7

And this is nothing to do with me being British this is her result. So basically people of the Levant descend from Anatolians and pre historic Meds. I told the truth, from the beginning, I did nothing but tell the truth.

[Rabbit Hole]

She'll be close to something like this

https://i.imgur.com/lv3ezrj.jpg

Go away.

[Leto]

She'll be close to something like this

[img]https://i.imgur.com/lv3ezrj.jpg
Why? She's half British.

[catgeorge]

Why? She's half British.

+ half Jordanian/Iranian like.

[Leto]

...
I didn't mean all that Gedmatch bull. I was asking about physical appearance.

[Joso]

Go away.

Don't show yourself here, they are predators.

[Leto]

+ half Jordanian/Iranian like.
Her mother is Lebanese according to some users. I don't think she is very brown, most likely Meddish or something like that.

[Rabbit Hole]

+ half Jordanian/Iranian like.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321864-Lena-s-Bronze-Age-results/page7

This is what I am like. and nothing to genetics being partly North West Europeans has nothing to do with my result

[Rabbit Hole]

Her mother is Lebanese according to some users. I don't think she is very brown, most likely Meddish or something like that.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321864-Lena-s-Bronze-Age-results/page7

This is my result and it's nothing to do with being partly British this is my mother's result not mine.

[Leto]

Okay, you are mentally deranged. I feel sorry for you. Leaving this discussion.

[Rabbit Hole]

I didn't mean all that Gedmatch bull. I was asking about physical appearance.

This isn't even Ged match. This is data through Ged match and why do you want to see me? You think I am going to post my pictures to be bombarded with racial abuse. The punchline is this : I wasn't lying about my heritage that's all people need to know.

[Rabbit Hole]

Okay, you are mentally deranged. I feel sorry for you. Leaving this discussion.

Because the people here are more deranged than what I am quite frankly. I don't feel comfortable with exposing myself online who throw abuse in my face every time I open my mouth about history two users here have seen my pics I am talking to one now on Facebook. He will know what I look like but at least thanks for the few comments you defended me in

[Rabbit Hole]

Don't show yourself here, they are predators.

I won't anymore thank you for defending me.

[Leto]

This isn't even Ged match. This is data through Ged match and why do you want to see me? You think I am going to post my pictures to be bombarded with racial abuse. The punchline is this : I wasn't lying about my heritage that's all people need to know.
I'm not abusing anyone. You could just send me a photo in a PM. But I'm not demanding anything at all.

[Rabbit Hole]

I'm not abusing anyone. You could just send me a photo in a PM. But I'm not demanding anything at all.

I mean you're welcome to add me on Facebook if you like but I am not sure if I want to post on this forum after today. I did thank that Romanian man who helped me though. I will thank the people who defend me on this forum always.

[catgeorge]

I don't mind people calling themselves Hellenic if they really believe it for one reason or another but spare a thought for the Greeks in Greece that have endured and building a nation based on Greek principles.. they pay their taxes, they vote, schooled, shop and breathe that magnificent Greek aura every single day. The unluckiest and luckiest people on the planet. So for one person who is of mixed heritage and that admixture comes in as Bronze Age Greek - doesn't necessarily make you a Bronze age Greek, it's just that admixture from two separate ethnicities plots close to it. I plot very close to Italian_Swiss but I am not Italian_Swiss and will never declare myself as such.

[Rabbit Hole]

I don't mind people calling themselves Hellenic if they really believe it for one reason or another but spare a thought for the Greeks in Greece that have endured and building a nation based on Greek principles.. they pay their taxes, they vote, schooled, shop and breathe that magnificent Greek aura every single day. The unluckiest and luckiest people on the planet. So for one person who is of mixed heritage and that admixture comes in as Bronze Age Greek - doesn't necessarily make you a Bronze age Greek, it's just that admixture from two separate ethnicities plots close to it. I plot very close to Italian_Swiss but I am not Italian_Swiss and will never declare myself as such.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321864-Lena-s-Bronze-Age-results/page7

This was my mother's result not mine. That's not even a partly British result according to the Romanian guy that was her result through her k13 on Ged. So I am not exactly lying by identifying with it? I said I really do have Anatolian not just Greek and Italian anyway.

[catgeorge]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321864-Lena-s-Bronze-Age-results/page7

This was my mother's result not mine. That's not even a partly British result according to the Romanian guy that was her result through her k13 on Ged. So I am not exactly lying by identifying with it? I said I really do have Anatolian not just Greek and Italian anyway.

Ive seen 20 different variations of your results so it's difficult to keep track....you are not lying because you genetically plot close to Bronze Age Greeks and you are lying because we live in 2020 AD

[Rabbit Hole]

Ive seen 20 different variations of your results so it's difficult to keep track....you are not lying because you genetically plot close to Bronze Age Greeks and you are lying because we live in 2020 AD

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?321864-Lena-s-Bronze-Age-results/page7

This is her result her results were posted by the other guy the kit number of hers is H400232 even on k13 and that's her result. As I say I have Greek Italian and Anatolian I am just saying i know i do because i was told that by my mother. She said her father was South European mainland and her mum was from Caucasus so being mainland Greek Italian and Near Eastern Anatolian makes sense even if I plot in Lebanese Muslim plots.

[Rabbit Hole]

It's indigenous perhaps? That also makes sense.

[Joso]

I mean you're welcome to add me on Facebook if you like but I am not sure if I want to post on this forum after today. I did thank that Romanian man who helped me though. I will thank the people who defend me on this forum always.

Don't show your photos to Leto and stop talking to him.
He is not a good person. Not trustable.

[Samnium]

I mean you're welcome to add me on Facebook if you like but I am not sure if I want to post on this forum after today. I did thank that Romanian man who helped me though. I will thank the people who defend me on this forum always.

I'm French/Italian on ancestry, French by ethnicity xD

[Leto]

Don't show your photos to Leto and stop talking to him.
He is not a good person. Not trustable.
Why do you say that? I haven't even interacted with you much. Some trolling here and there, nothing serious. And by the way, I don't repost photos which people share with me privately. Never done that here.

[Rabbit Hole]

I'm French/Italian on ancestry, French by ethnicity xD

The thing is I trust you and never doubted that , you asked me to classify you so I did. I will join that other forum after today or I will just post in your Instragram because it's too mentally draining for me. The sad thing is that I joined this forum to refute what a troll was saying about my results to begin with.

[Rabbit Hole]

Don't show your photos to Leto and stop talking to him.
He is not a good person. Not trustable.

People are too worried about attacking me rather than trying to have sex with me lol.

[Leto]

People are too worried about attacking me rather than trying to have sex with me lol.
He is attacking and slandering me for no reason. I didn't imply anything sexual by any means. Even if you were a guy, I would ask you what you look like because it's always interesting to compare DNA results with phenotype, that's all.

[Joso]

Why do you say that? I haven't even interacted with you much. Some trolling here and there, nothing serious. And by the way, I don't repost photos which people share with me privately. Never done that here.

I dont know tbh.
I am really sorry if am being unfair.
But the fact is that a large part of members don't have good intentions.
So people have to be careful, specially when it comes to photos and contacts.
This is a basic rule of security on internet.
I assume i don't know you, so forgive me.

[Rabbit Hole]

He is attacking and slandering me for no reason. I didn't imply anything sexual by any means. Even if you were a guy, I would ask you what you look like because it's always interesting to compare DNA results with phenotype, that's all.

I didn't say it was anything sexual I was talking about Joso Joso likes me and I like him to be honest but at least now I have a reason to. He cares for me I think .

[Rabbit Hole]

I dont know tbh.
I am really sorry if am being unfair.
But the fact is that a large part of members don't have good intentions.
So people have to be careful, specially when it comes to photos and contacts.
This is a basic rule of security on internet.
I assume i don't know you, so forgive me.

I care for you. You defended me I care about you.

[Babak]

Wtf has this thread turned into? Lmao. Sounds like a therapy session.

[Leto]

I dont know tbh.
I am really sorry if am being unfair.
But the fact is that a large part of members don't have good intentions.
So people have to be careful, specially when it comes to photos and contacts.
This is a basic rule of security on internet.
I assume i don't know you, so forgive me.
Well, this forum in and of itself is not a very serious place. Many mentally unstable people have been here over the years.

[Rabbit Hole]

Well, this forum in and of itself is not a very serious place. Many mentally unstable people have been here over the years.

He is just concerned for me as a friend, i don't think he thinks that you're trying to be mean or anything he just cares for me that's all.

[Leto]

No wonder I was attacked on Reddit for giving links to The Apricity :lol:

[Rabbit Hole]

No wonder I was attacked on Reddit for giving links to The Apricity :lol:

Who attacked you on Reddit and for what?

[Leto]

Who attacked you on Reddit and for what?
Some user. He said TA is a racist and white supremacist echo chamber and that I should be like that too. I deleted my Reddit account, it's a politically correct dumpster full of stupid liberal snowflakes.

[Dorian]

I dont know tbh.
I am really sorry if am being unfair.
But the fact is that a large part of members don't have good intentions.
So people have to be careful, specially when it comes to photos and contacts.
This is a basic rule of security on internet.
I assume i don't know you, so forgive me.



I care for you. You defended me I care about you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpLMnziTwCA

[Terminator98]

One quesstion, who is Lena? :dance nerd:dance nerd

[Rabbit Hole]

One quesstion, who is Lena? :dance nerd:dance nerd

Me that's my real name lol .

[Joso]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpLMnziTwCA

I am having sex with her on Facebook soon

[Rabbit Hole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpLMnziTwCA

Lol more like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6QKqFPRZSA

[Terminator98]

Me that's my real name lol .

Nice name and very international (rare combination). I have friend with same name. :rolleyes:

[Rabbit Hole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpLMnziTwCA

Lol more like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6QKqFPRZSA

[Rabbit Hole]

Some user. He said TA is a racist and white supremacist echo chamber and that I should be like that too. I deleted my Reddit account, it's a politically correct dumpster full of stupid liberal snowflakes.

Oh I don't know just don't talk to that person anymore I guess. You seem like a nice guy anyway.

[Rabbit Hole]

Nice name and very international (rare combination). I have friend with same name. :rolleyes:

Thank you.

[Rabbit Hole]

So now it's settled anyone wants to know what I am they can look to page 7 of the results and thank you again to Ion Basescul for helping me. The first page 1 has my k36 too.

Thank you for anyone who has defended me too goodnight.

[Joso]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpLMnziTwCA

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?50755-Members-of-the-Apricity-How-Do-You-Imagine-Them&p=6672488#post6672488

[Dorian]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?50755-Members-of-the-Apricity-How-Do-You-Imagine-Them&p=6672488#post6672488

What's that rep about bruv?
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d6/3e/dd/d63edd9af879f866baea5e3c5b506959.jpg

[Joso]

What's that rep about bruv?
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d6/3e/dd/d63edd9af879f866baea5e3c5b506959.jpg

I am the chad cuck

[Tauromachos]

Bronze Age samples are different to Iron Age samples.

What is the difference of to the Iron Age samples?

[Rabbit Hole]

What is the difference of to the Iron Age samples?

The difference is that Bronze Age Levantine samples are matched up to Anatolians first then ancient Greeks then Romans.

I think her top result was Imperial Roman because that was probably a pre historic population in the Near East during the Bronze Age. The Bronze Age stopped at 1,300BCE that's where my matches stopped.

The Israelites came during the Iron Age so their samples will be marked out as 'Israelite' and then from the Iron Age onwards so basically from 1,200bce onwards which I explained in the Greek samples thread.

[SUPREEEEEME]

To be honest you are half Canaanite at most. You aren't fully native to the Levant, let's be honest.

Not claiming to be full

[Rabbit Hole]

Not claiming to be full

Yours was mapped out as Israelite from 1,200BCE that's the difference between Bronze Age and Iron Age samples.

[SUPREEEEEME]

Yours was mapped out as Israelite from 1,200BCE that's the difference between Bronze Age and Iron Age samples.

I'm sorry, but Bronze Age and Iron Age Levantines weren't as different as you think:

Distance to: Levant_Canaanite_MBA -- Bronze Age
0.02474303 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA -- Bronze Age
0.02491624 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA2 -- Iron Age
0.02547244 Levant_LBN_Roman
0.02937479 Levant_LBN_MA
0.03094444 Levant_ISR_MLBA
0.04578583 Levant_JOR_EBA
0.04739261 England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
0.05420937 Levant_LBN_MA_o3
0.06174681 Anatolia_Ovaoren_EBA
0.06240713 EGY_Late_Period
0.06487348 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
0.06604557 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA1
0.07049348 IND_Roopkund_B_o
0.07424576 ITA_Rome_Imperial
0.07589523 Anatolia_Isparta_EBA
0.07726001 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res
0.07754061 Levant_ISR_C
0.07829082 EGY_Hellenistic
0.07862652 ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
0.08187304 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
0.08519649 Anatolia_Barcin_C
0.08662093 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
0.08836258 ITA_Sardinia_Late_Antiquity
0.09757804 IND_Roopkund_B
0.10002796 BGR_Krepost_N

Note the similar distances.

[Rabbit Hole]

I'm sorry, but Bronze Age and Iron Age Levantines weren't as different as you think:

Distance to: Levant_Canaanite_MBA -- Bronze Age
0.02474303 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA -- Bronze Age
0.02491624 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA2 -- Iron Age
0.02547244 Levant_LBN_Roman
0.02937479 Levant_LBN_MA
0.03094444 Levant_ISR_MLBA
0.04578583 Levant_JOR_EBA
0.04739261 England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
0.05420937 Levant_LBN_MA_o3
0.06174681 Anatolia_Ovaoren_EBA
0.06240713 EGY_Late_Period
0.06487348 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
0.06604557 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA1
0.07049348 IND_Roopkund_B_o
0.07424576 ITA_Rome_Imperial
0.07589523 Anatolia_Isparta_EBA
0.07726001 Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA_low_res
0.07754061 Levant_ISR_C
0.07829082 EGY_Hellenistic
0.07862652 ITA_Collegno_MA_o1
0.08187304 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
0.08519649 Anatolia_Barcin_C
0.08662093 ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_o
0.08836258 ITA_Sardinia_Late_Antiquity
0.09757804 IND_Roopkund_B
0.10002796 BGR_Krepost_N

Note the similar distances.
They're Iron Age samples.
Distance to: Levant_Canaanite_MBA -- <---Iron Age 1,200BCE
0.02474303 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA -- <----2ND MBCE Iron Age (1200 BCE)
0.02491624 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA2 -- Iron Age
Search Results

So erm...No all of yours match up to Iron Age samples racially.
Web results

Canaanite genomes (Haber et al. 2017 ... - Eurogenes Blogeurogenes.blogspot.com › 2017/05 › canaanite-genomes
26 May 2017 - Abstract: The Canaanites inhabited the Levant region during the ... J1-P58, now in MBA Sidon and Late EBA Jordan. ... I'm a Sephardic Jew. That was his result yours is the same as his Sephardic Jewish samples are Israelite samples.

[Faklon]

You may not be Greek at all but for me you will always be a mix of Kate Middleton and Mia Khalifa.

[Rabbit Hole]

Distance to: Levant_Canaanite_MBA -- <---Iron Age 1,200BCE

Neo -Assyrian 900–850 BC, Iron Age

Iron Age. Originating in the later Bronze Age (1000 BC - 800 BC), the hill forts of the early Iron Age
The Iron Age was a period in human history that started between 1200 B.C. and 600 B.C., depending on the region, and followed the Stone Age and Bronze Age. During the Iron Age, people across much of Europe, Asia and parts of Africa began making tools and weapons from iron and steel.

0.02474303 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA -- <----2ND MBCE Iron Age (1200 BC)
0.02491624 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA2 -- Iron Age
Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA that's a Iron Age Israeli sample

0.02491624 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA2 -- Iron Age

Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA2 that is a Iron Age sample

All of them are Neo Assyrian Israelite samples
Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA

[Faklon]

Btw, you managed to write a Greek sentence without typos (unlike SuperSpartan boi).

[Rabbit Hole]

You may not be Greek at all but for me you will always be a mix of Kate Middleton and Mia Khalifa.

It matches up to Bronze Age Anatolian samples.

Late Bronze Age collapse - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Late_Bronze_Age_collapse
The Late Bronze Age collapse involved a Dark Age transition period in the Near East, Asia ... Before the Bronze Age collapse, Anatolia (Asia Minor) was dominated by a number of peoples of varying ... Thebes was one of the earliest examples of this, having its palace sacked repeatedly between 1300 and 1200 BC and ...
You visited this page on 03/05/20.
Kate middleton is half English half Jewish Ashkenazi Mia Khalifa is God knows what probably Yemeni as she is a Maronite.

[Rabbit Hole]

Btw, you managed to write a Greek sentence without typos (unlike SuperSpartan boi).

That doesn't bother me here nor there. Language isn't a barometer for ethnicity. He is Greek I have seen his photos.

[Faklon]

It matches up to Bronze Age Anatolian samples.

Late Bronze Age collapse - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Late_Bronze_Age_collapse
The Late Bronze Age collapse involved a Dark Age transition period in the Near East, Asia ... Before the Bronze Age collapse, Anatolia (Asia Minor) was dominated by a number of peoples of varying ... Thebes was one of the earliest examples of this, having its palace sacked repeatedly between 1300 and 1200 BC and ...
You visited this page on 03/05/20.
Kate middleton is half English half Jewish Ashkenazi Mia Khalifa is God knows what probably Yemeni as she is a Maronite.

+Romans in South Britain
+Sea people in Lebanon

Historically pure Greek

[Rabbit Hole]

+Romans in South Britain
+Sea people in Lebanon

Historically pure Greek

No, gladiators in South Britain of Anglo Saxon heritage
Sea people's Bronze Age Phoenicians who had a mixture of ancient Greek, ancient Roman and ancient Anatolian.

indigenous to both ethnic groups. Btw Imerpial Roman. Me an Imperial Roman. I feel very noble. :)

[Faklon]

No, gladiators in South Britain of Anglo Saxon heritage
Sea people's Bronze Age Phoenicians who had a mixture of ancient Greek, ancient Roman and ancient Anatolian.

indigenous to both ethnic groups. Btw Imerpial Roman. Me an Imperial Roman. I feel very noble. :)

Well I feel like Superman once in a while, doesn't mean I can fly.

[Tauromachos]

Well I feel like Superman once in a while, doesn't mean I can fly.

When you sleep with RabbitHole?

[Renekton]

Nice results, you fit perfectly in fertile Cresent

[Rabbit Hole]

Nice results, you fit perfectly in fertile Cresent

Ancient Med cradle of Civilization and it's imperial. So yeah, basically I am ancient Med with big wide hazel eyes. :)

[Rabbit Hole]

Well I feel like Superman once in a while, doesn't mean I can fly.

Well idk I am sure you're a nice person.

[Leto]

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 25.66
2 Caucasian 23.95
3 Mediterranean 23.88
4 SW-Asian 12.96
5 Baloch 11.03
6 San 0.9
7 E-African 0.57
8 S-Indian 0.48
9 American 0.34
10 W-African 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 tuscan (1000genomes) 11.53
2 tuscan (hgdp) 11.76
3 ashkenazi (harappa) 11.82
4 tuscan (hapmap) 12.18
5 romanian-a (behar) 12.92
6 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 13.25
7 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 13.83
8 italian (hgdp) 15.68
9 morocco-jew (behar) 19.61
10 sephardic-jew (behar) 19.76
11 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 20.59
12 spaniard (behar) 24.54
13 romanian-b (behar) 24.65
14 hungarian (behar) 24.93
15 french (hgdp) 25.22
16 spaniard (1000genomes) 25.31
17 slovenian (xing) 26.44
18 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 27.28
19 puerto-rican (1000genomes) 27.38
20 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 28.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.2% french (hgdp) + 44.8% syrian (behar) @ 2.03
2 52.7% lebanese (behar) + 47.3% british (1000genomes) @ 2.11
3 55.2% french (hgdp) + 44.8% palestinian (harappa) @ 2.23
4 51.5% lebanese (behar) + 48.5% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.3
5 54.4% lebanese (behar) + 45.6% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.59
6 51.9% british (1000genomes) + 48.1% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 2.78
7 50.2% orcadian (hgdp) + 49.8% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 2.8
8 51.5% syrian (behar) + 48.5% british (1000genomes) @ 3
9 54% french (hgdp) + 46% lebanese (behar) @ 3.14
10 50.3% syrian (behar) + 49.7% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 3.15
11 59.5% french (hgdp) + 40.5% iraq-jew (behar) @ 3.16
12 53.1% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 46.9% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 3.3
13 50.3% lebanese-muslim (haber) + 49.7% british (1000genomes) @ 3.3
14 50.3% palestinian (harappa) + 49.7% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 3.31
15 51.5% palestinian (harappa) + 48.5% british (1000genomes) @ 3.42
16 51.6% lebanese (behar) + 48.4% n-european (xing) @ 3.48
17 53.4% british (1000genomes) + 46.6% samaritian (behar) @ 3.54
18 52% lebanese-muslim (haber) + 48% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.6
19 51.7% orcadian (hgdp) + 48.3% samaritian (behar) @ 3.63
20 50.8% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 49.2% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 3.6ф

Where in Britain is your father from?

[Rabbit Hole]

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 25.66
2 Caucasian 23.95
3 Mediterranean 23.88
4 SW-Asian 12.96
5 Baloch 11.03
6 San 0.9
7 E-African 0.57
8 S-Indian 0.48
9 American 0.34
10 W-African 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 tuscan (1000genomes) 11.53
2 tuscan (hgdp) 11.76
3 ashkenazi (harappa) 11.82
4 tuscan (hapmap) 12.18
5 romanian-a (behar) 12.92
6 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 13.25
7 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 13.83
8 italian (hgdp) 15.68
9 morocco-jew (behar) 19.61
10 sephardic-jew (behar) 19.76
11 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 20.59
12 spaniard (behar) 24.54
13 romanian-b (behar) 24.65
14 hungarian (behar) 24.93
15 french (hgdp) 25.22
16 spaniard (1000genomes) 25.31
17 slovenian (xing) 26.44
18 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 27.28
19 puerto-rican (1000genomes) 27.38
20 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 28.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.2% french (hgdp) + 44.8% syrian (behar) @ 2.03
2 52.7% lebanese (behar) + 47.3% british (1000genomes) @ 2.11
3 55.2% french (hgdp) + 44.8% palestinian (harappa) @ 2.23
4 51.5% lebanese (behar) + 48.5% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.3
5 54.4% lebanese (behar) + 45.6% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.59
6 51.9% british (1000genomes) + 48.1% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 2.78
7 50.2% orcadian (hgdp) + 49.8% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 2.8
8 51.5% syrian (behar) + 48.5% british (1000genomes) @ 3
9 54% french (hgdp) + 46% lebanese (behar) @ 3.14
10 50.3% syrian (behar) + 49.7% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 3.15
11 59.5% french (hgdp) + 40.5% iraq-jew (behar) @ 3.16
12 53.1% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 46.9% lebanese-christian (haber) @ 3.3
13 50.3% lebanese-muslim (haber) + 49.7% british (1000genomes) @ 3.3
14 50.3% palestinian (harappa) + 49.7% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 3.31
15 51.5% palestinian (harappa) + 48.5% british (1000genomes) @ 3.42
16 51.6% lebanese (behar) + 48.4% n-european (xing) @ 3.48
17 53.4% british (1000genomes) + 46.6% samaritian (behar) @ 3.54
18 52% lebanese-muslim (haber) + 48% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.6
19 51.7% orcadian (hgdp) + 48.3% samaritian (behar) @ 3.63
20 50.8% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 49.2% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 3.6ф

Where in Britain is your father from?

South East he matches up to German and Dutch samples why do you keep bumping the thread it's done now?

Distance to: Rabbit_Hole_Mom
5.49935451 R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
5.80156875 R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
7.38050811 R1547_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
7.38497800 R70_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
7.51410008 R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
8.47437903 R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
8.92108177 MA2210_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
9.50399390 R38_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
9.79117460 R130_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
9.79392669 65_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3650_ybp
9.86527749 R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial
10.39173229 MA2213_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
10.91233247 Canaanite_ERS1790730_
10.95389885 Sidon_BA_ERS1790730_
11.13199892 54_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3770_ybp
11.17489597 R41_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
11.42348896 R75_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
11.77810681 R67_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.14235150 R73_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.27475865 R71_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.30186571 MA2205_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
12.78321165 R115_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.90252301 I2683_Anatolia_EBA_4494_ybp
13.06936494 R66_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
13.38554444 R123_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial


Target: Rabbit_Hole_Mom
Distance: 1.1993% / 1.19925081 | ADC: 0.25x
34.2 R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
26.8 R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
14.0 Sidon_BA_ERS1790729_
13.0 R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
5.4 R1543_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
3.6 R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
1.6 Khoesan_Hunter_South_Africa_2100BP.SG_2103_ybp
1.4 I3726_Tanzania_Luxmanda_3100BP_3079_ybp
That was my result from her I can't run my data from him because he hasn't done a dna test

[Leto]

South East he matches up to German and Dutch samples why do you keep bumping the thread it's done now?

Distance to: Rabbit_Hole_Mom
5.49935451 R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
5.80156875 R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
7.38050811 R1547_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
7.38497800 R70_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
7.51410008 R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
8.47437903 R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
8.92108177 MA2210_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
9.50399390 R38_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
9.79117460 R130_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
9.79392669 65_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3650_ybp
9.86527749 R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial
10.39173229 MA2213_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
10.91233247 Canaanite_ERS1790730_
10.95389885 Sidon_BA_ERS1790730_
11.13199892 54_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3770_ybp
11.17489597 R41_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
11.42348896 R75_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
11.77810681 R67_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.14235150 R73_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.27475865 R71_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.30186571 MA2205_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
12.78321165 R115_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.90252301 I2683_Anatolia_EBA_4494_ybp
13.06936494 R66_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
13.38554444 R123_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial


Target: Rabbit_Hole_Mom
Distance: 1.1993% / 1.19925081 | ADC: 0.25x
34.2 R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
26.8 R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
14.0 Sidon_BA_ERS1790729_
13.0 R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
5.4 R1543_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
3.6 R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
1.6 Khoesan_Hunter_South_Africa_2100BP.SG_2103_ybp
1.4 I3726_Tanzania_Luxmanda_3100BP_3079_ybp
That was my result from her I can't run my data from him because he hasn't done a dna test
Okay, sorry. Won't post here anymore.

[Rabbit Hole]

Okay, sorry. Won't post here anymore.

No it's just I can't be bothered to keep explaining it's pretty much done on page 1 and 7.

[Hapanuwa]

Why do you keep insisting on the whole Hellenic Anatolian blabla. You're basically Anglo Lebanese and there's nothing wrong with that

[Rabbit Hole]

Why do you keep insisting on the whole Hellenic Anatolian blabla. You're basically Anglo Lebanese and there's nothing wrong with that

Why do you keep babbling on about stuff you know nothing about? Are you nuts. Lebanese Canaanites match up to Anatolians Romans Imperial and Greek so there is nothing wrong with me claiming it. I want to claim my racial ancestry not my geographical location. Nothing wrong with that.

Like you call yourself Turkish but Turkic and Anatolian.

[Leto]

Why do you keep babbling on about stuff you know nothing about? Are you nuts. Lebanese Canaanites match up to Anatolians Romans Imperial and Greek so there is nothing wrong with me claiming it. I want to claim my racial ancestry not my geographical location. Nothing wrong with that.

Like you call yourself Turkish but Turkic and Anatolian.
A few years ago there was the idea here that Southern Italians are basically equivalent to a bunch of half Lebanese mutts.

[Rabbit Hole]

She is right to identify as Ancient Roman if she wants, because her mom is closest to them. But still, it's the modern identity that should take priority IMO. I doubt your family raised you as an Imperial Roman.

Distance to: Rabbit_Hole_Mom
5.49935451 R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial Rome
5.80156875 R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
7.38050811 R1547_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
7.38497800 R70_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
7.51410008 R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
8.47437903 R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
8.92108177 MA2210_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
9.50399390 R38_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
9.79117460 R130_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
9.79392669 65_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3650_ybp
9.86527749 R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial
10.39173229 MA2213_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
10.91233247 Canaanite_ERS1790730_
10.95389885 Sidon_BA_ERS1790730_
Canaanite_M11.13199892 54_Lebanon_CanBA.SG_3770_
11.17489597 R41_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
11.42348896 R75_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
11.77810681 R67_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.14235150 R73_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.27475865 R71_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.30186571 MA2205_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
12.78321165 R115_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.90252301 I2683_Anatolia_EBA_4494_ybp
13.06936494 R66_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
13.38554444 R123_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial

[Rabbit Hole]

A few years ago there was the idea here that Southern Italians are basically equivalent to a bunch of half Lebanese mutts.

I know there was and that user was called skill-not. I don't match up to modern Levantines, I match up to Bronze Age one. So even a half Lebanese mongrel wouldn't plot in the Levant but probably Neo Assyria Mesopotamia. These are my samples from my mother's heritage, like his samples are Mongolic/Anatolian from his Turkish heritage. In fact his is a lot more modern than mine.

This is my heritage from her not me.

[Hapanuwa]

Why do you keep babbling on about stuff you know nothing about? Are you nuts. Lebanese Canaanites match up to Anatolians Romans Imperial and Greek so there is nothing wrong with me claiming it. I want to claim my racial ancestry not my geographical location. Nothing wrong with that.

Like you call yourself Turkish but Turkic and Anatolian.

The thing is that I first and foremost identify as a Turk. In my gedmatch results it says that I'm Turkic and (legit) Anatolian. You act very strange en unwilling when people ask for your gedmatch results multiple times. Even in your results it says English and Lebanese. Otherwise I coul also claim every empire and ethnic group lol.

Don't understand your obsession with Greeks and Anatolians to be honest. In the beginning I even thought you were Greek because of the way you commented sometimes.

[Rabbit Hole]

I am beginning to think that the majority of posters here at least the male ones have some form of learning disabilities. I am sorry but to identify with a ethnicity that's pretty distant from todays one is just stupid. Do you not understand my samples from Natufian are over 7,000 years old? Don't you get what that means or you want me to spell it out.

No I am sorry I refuse to identify with a geographical location that have nothing in common with my result. I want to identify with what i match up to racially.

[Rabbit Hole]

The thing is that I first and foremost identify as a Turk. In my gedmatch results it says that I'm Turkic and (legit) Anatolian. You act very strange en unwilling when people ask for your gedmatch results multiple times. Even in your results it says English and Lebanese. Otherwise I coul also claim every empire and ethnic group lol.

Don't understand your obsession with Greeks and Anatolians to be honest. In the beginning I even thought you were Greek because of the way you commented sometimes.

My results don't say English Lebanese they say English Levantine they're from the Bronze Age. My first match was imperial roman samples from the Levant which was 5.49935451 R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial

The chances of a Lebanese or Syrian in the modern Levantine sense is virtually zero matching up to that and I could explain the reasons why but it's pointless at this point.

I identify as levantine my results were Levantine. You have an obsession with Anatolians. Turks are in no way shape or form Anatolian. For example Greeks and Anatolians don't live there anymore because you guys took over.

Yes I have Anatolian ancient Greek not modern and yes Roman and yes I will and can identify as such.

[Konstantinos]

Wow people talking about me I'm a celebrity now :cool:

[Leto]

My results don't say English Lebanese they say English Levantine they're from the Bronze Age. My first match was imperial roman samples from the Levant which was 5.49935451 R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial

The chances of a Lebanese or Syrian in the modern Levantine sense is virtually zero matching up to that and I could explain the reasons why but it's pointless at this point.

I identify as levantine my results were Levantine. You have an obsession with Anatolians. Turks are in no way shape or form Anatolian. For example Greeks and Anatolians don't live there anymore because you guys took over.

Yes I have Anatolian ancient Greek not modern and yes Roman and yes I will and can identify as such.
What does your mom identify as? As a British Lebanese Muslim?

[Rabbit Hole]

What does your mom identify as? As a British Lebanese Muslim?

She is right to identify as Ancient Roman if she wants, because her mom is closest to them. But still, it's the modern identity that should take priority IMO. I doubt your family raised you as an Imperial Roman.

Distance to: Rabbit_Hole_Mom
5.49935451 R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
5.80156875 R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
7.38050811 R1547_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
7.38497800 R70_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
7.51410008 R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
8.47437903 R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
8.92108177 MA2210_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
9.50399390 R38_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
9.79117460 R130_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
9.79392669 65_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3650_ybp
9.86527749 R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial
10.39173229 MA2213_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
10.91233247 Canaanite_ERS1790730_
10.95389885 Sidon_BA_ERS1790730_
11.13199892 54_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3770_ybp
11.17489597 R41_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
11.42348896 R75_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
11.77810681 R67_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.14235150 R73_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.27475865 R71_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.30186571 MA2205_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
12.78321165 R115_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.90252301 I2683_Anatolia_EBA_4494_ybp
13.06936494 R66_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
13.38554444 R123_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial


Target: Rabbit_Hole_Mom
Distance: 1.1993% / 1.19925081 | ADC: 0.25x
34.2 R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
26.8 R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
14.0 Sidon_BA_ERS1790729_
13.0 R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
5.4 R1543_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
3.6 R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
1.6 Khoesan_Hunter_South_Africa_2100BP.SG_2103_ybp
1.4 I3726_Tanzania_Luxmanda_3100BP_3079_ybp

My result through my Lebanese/Levantine side. This is not a watered down half English mix result this was her result

[Rabbit Hole]

I disgree that because I was not raised as Roman I cannot claim as such. I mean I am one of those funny people that actually thinks that you should identify with your racial make up not what country your family were born in:picard2:

[Leto]

She is right to identify as Ancient Roman if she wants, because her mom is closest to them. But still, it's the modern identity that should take priority IMO. I doubt your family raised you as an Imperial Roman.

Distance to: Rabbit_Hole_Mom
5.49935451 R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
5.80156875 R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
7.38050811 R1547_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
7.38497800 R70_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
7.51410008 R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
8.47437903 R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
8.92108177 MA2210_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
9.50399390 R38_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
9.79117460 R130_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
9.79392669 65_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3650_ybp
9.86527749 R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial
10.39173229 MA2213_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp
10.91233247 Canaanite_ERS1790730_
10.95389885 Sidon_BA_ERS1790730_
11.13199892 54_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3770_ybp
11.17489597 R41_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
11.42348896 R75_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
11.77810681 R67_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.14235150 R73_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.27475865 R71_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.30186571 MA2205_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp
12.78321165 R115_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
12.90252301 I2683_Anatolia_EBA_4494_ybp
13.06936494 R66_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
13.38554444 R123_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial


Target: Rabbit_Hole_Mom
Distance: 1.1993% / 1.19925081 | ADC: 0.25x
34.2 R68_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
26.8 R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
14.0 Sidon_BA_ERS1790729_
13.0 R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
5.4 R1543_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
3.6 R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial
1.6 Khoesan_Hunter_South_Africa_2100BP.SG_2103_ybp
1.4 I3726_Tanzania_Luxmanda_3100BP_3079_ybp

My result through my Lebanese/Levantine side. This is not a watered down half English mix result this was her result
Are you talking to yourself? Lol

[Rabbit Hole]

Are you talking to yourself? Lol

no it's just apart from that Romanian guy people here are painfully thick and I can't be bothered to carry on.

[Rabbit Hole]

Ask Ion Basescul what it means because I can't be bothered anymore with it. It's just too fucking autistic. Enough with this bullshit just ask him.

Game over.

[Hapanuwa]

My results don't say English Lebanese they say English Levantine they're from the Bronze Age. My first match was imperial roman samples from the Levant which was 5.49935451 R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial

The chances of a Lebanese or Syrian in the modern Levantine sense is virtually zero matching up to that and I could explain the reasons why but it's pointless at this point.

I identify as levantine my results were Levantine. You have an obsession with Anatolians. Turks are in no way shape or form Anatolian. For example Greeks and Anatolians don't live there anymore because you guys took over.

Yes I have Anatolian ancient Greek not modern and yes Roman and yes I will and can identify as such.

Leto's posts literally says 2 52.7% lebanese (behar) + 47.3% british (1000genomes) @ 2.11

Furthermore, most Turks are Anatolians. The ancient Anatolians haven't been wiped out by neither the Greek colonists nor the Turkic conquerors and have been assimilated in the modern Turkish population. Modern Turks can be modelled as Anatolian + Turkic mostly. I'm also close to Greeks and Southern Italians but that doesn't mean I am from that population. It's the fact that my native Aegean Anatolian is close to Greek Islanders. If Turks cannot be Anatolians, you most certainly cannot claim that.

[Rabbit Hole]

Leto's posts literally says 2 52.7% lebanese (behar) + 47.3% british (1000genomes) @ 2.11

Furthermore, most Turks are Anatolians. The ancient Anatolians haven't been wiped out by neither the Greek colonists nor the Turkic conquerors and have been assimilated in the modern Turkish population. Modern Turks can be modelled as Anatolian + Turkic mostly. I'm also close to Greeks and Southern Italians but that doesn't mean I am from that population. It's the fact that my native Aegean Anatolian is close to Greek Islanders. If Turks cannot be Anatolians, you most certainly cannot claim that.

That's not a racial make up

[Rabbit Hole]

Leto's posts literally says 2 52.7% lebanese (behar) + 47.3% british (1000genomes) @ 2.11

Furthermore, most Turks are Anatolians. The ancient Anatolians haven't been wiped out by neither the Greek colonists nor the Turkic conquerors and have been assimilated in the modern Turkish population. Modern Turks can be modelled as Anatolian + Turkic mostly. I'm also close to Greeks and Southern Italians but that doesn't mean I am from that population. It's the fact that my native Aegean Anatolian is close to Greek Islanders. If Turks cannot be Anatolians, you most certainly cannot claim that.

My results ( all of them from 7,000bce to 1,300 BCE collapse of Bronze Age )

k36 result on Ged my Ged number is A965274

https://snipboard.io/4dLXKQ.jpg

https://snipboard.io/gdbvUN.jpg

https://snipboard.io/TJSHim.jpg


my haplogroups
https://scontent.fltn2-1.fna.fbcdn.n...36&oe=5ED2B51E

https://scontent.fltn2-1.fna.fbcdn.n...71&oe=5ED2D1AE

https://scontent.fltn2-1.fna.fbcdn.n...1a&oe=5ED58C16


https://scontent.fltn2-1.fna.fbcdn.n...90&oe=5ED2BEC8

my results through K36 Mycenaean Minoan Anatolian minor Natufian and Iberian. So to clarify for the 1,00000000th time on this forum of autists I have ancient Greek ancient Roman ancient Anatolian ( Bronze Age ) and Natufian

That is my racial make up through my Lebanese Levantine side. Like you say your racial make up is Mongolic and Anatolian through your Turkish side?

[Rabbit Hole]

Leto's posts literally says 2 52.7% lebanese (behar) + 47.3% british (1000genomes) @ 2.11

Furthermore, most Turks are Anatolians. The ancient Anatolians haven't been wiped out by neither the Greek colonists nor the Turkic conquerors and have been assimilated in the modern Turkish population. Modern Turks can be modelled as Anatolian + Turkic mostly. I'm also close to Greeks and Southern Italians but that doesn't mean I am from that population. It's the fact that my native Aegean Anatolian is close to Greek Islanders. If Turks cannot be Anatolians, you most certainly cannot claim that.

This was her result. Not because I am partly British this is literally my mother's result
She is right to identify as Ancient Roman if she wants, because her mom is closest to them. But still, it's the modern identity that should take priority IMO. I doubt your family raised you as an Imperial Roman.H400232 on Ged match is her kit number. It's not exactly hard is it? She's ancient Levantine.

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[Dr_Maul]

I think you can still have both an ethnic ‘identity’ as well as a modern or normal identity. I may choose to identify as a Sassanid but if someone asks me what I am I’m not gonna say that lol, I’ll refer to myself in a modern sense (Iranian). I think people here are confused because they are asking for your modern identity which is obviously not Roman, but rather English+Lebanese or something like that

[Rgvgjhvv]

Mental illness is serious and very sad. Please seek professional help. This isn't the place for you.

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I think you can still have both an ethnic ‘identity’ as well as a modern or normal identity. I may choose to identify as a Sassanid but if someone asks me what I am I’m not gonna say that lol, I’ll refer to myself in a modern sense (Iranian). I think people here are confused because they are asking for your modern identity which is obviously not Roman, but rather English+Lebanese or something like that

I know but the problem is that she doesn't match up to modern ones i define myself as West Asian sure.

[Rabbit Hole]

Mental illness is serious and very sad. Please seek professional help. This isn't the place for you.

No it's just that people ask me why I am defining myself as something when they call themselves Turkish but also Anatolian and Mongolic. Nothing to do with mental health or not I just think the people on this forum don't get history. It's a bit unhealthy i have to keep explaining to be honest

[Leto]

Lena keeps getting trolled.

[Rabbit Hole]

Lena keeps getting trolled.

No people don't know history Leto.

[Babak]

No it's just that people ask me why I am defining myself as something when they call themselves Turkish but also Anatolian and Mongolic. Nothing to do with mental health or not I just think the people on this forum don't get history. It's a bit unhealthy i have to keep explaining to be honest

Alright, you can identify yourself as whatever you wish. Whatever makes you happy i guess.

[Rabbit Hole]

Alright, you can identify yourself as whatever you wish. Whatever makes you happy i guess.

https://www.genengnews.com/news/dna-analysis-suggests-ancient-rome-represented-a-genetic-crossroads-of-europe-and-the-mediterranean/

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The genetic history of current Italians is greatly influenced by geography and history. ... With the fall of the Western Roman Empire, different populations of German origin ... reveal significant impacts of Post-Neolithic Caucasus- and Levantine-related ... Ancient DNA analysis reveals that Ötzi the Iceman clusters with modern ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Italy

[Kaspias]

Lena keeps getting trolled.

Not that easy. Having an Arab mother doesn't give one right to identify as Greek and attack actual Greeks for being Slavs or attack Turks by claiming they are Mongol and insult their culture.

This person literally ruined every thread about Greeks and Turks opened in last week and deserves a ban. She can identify whatever she wants in outside of TA.

I highly recommend professional help also.

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At its zenith the ancient Roman Empire spanned three continents, and tens of millions of people across Europe, the Near East, and North Africa. At the Empire’s center was Rome, the first city to reach more than one million residents in the ancient world. Rome remained unrivaled in Europe until the industrial revolution nearly 1,500 years later. But even long before the rise of Imperial Rome, the region represented an important cultural crossroads between Europe and the Mediterranean.

Given its historical importance, the Roman empire has been studied extensively, but far less is known about the genetic lineages of Rome’s inhabitants through the ages, the investigators pointed out. To help provide some new insights into the genetic makeup of the region’s population “throughout the trajectory of the empire,” they turned to modern genetic techniques, which over the last decade or so have been used increasingly to study DNA sampled from ancient skeletons. Rome presented an ideal opportunity to use the same DNA analysis techniques to fill in ancestral details left out of the historical record. “The historical and archaeological records tell us a great deal about political history and contacts of different kinds with different places—trade and slavery, for example—but those records provide limited information about the genetic makeup of the population,” said Jonathan Pritchard, PhD, a professor of genetics and biology at Stanford University, and one of the paper’s senior authors.

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Not that easy. Having an Arab mother doesn't give one right to identify as Greek and attack actual Greeks for being Slavs or attack Turks by claiming they are Mongol and insult their culture.

This person literally ruined every thread about Greeks and Turks opened in last week and deserves a ban. She can identify whatever she wants in outside of TA.

I highly recommend professional help also.

Nothing to do with having a Arabic mother Turkish boy. I am very proud of my ancient Levantine heritage. I am not from Former Yugo. I never attacked Greeks you did.

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Ancient Rome was the capital city of an empire that encompassed some 70 million inhabitants. An international research team now reports on data from a genetic study suggesting that, just as all roads may once have led to Rome, in ancient times, a great many European genetic lineages also converged in the ancient city. Results from the research present possibly the most detailed analysis to date of genetic variability in the region. They reveal a dynamic population history from the Mesolithic era (~10,000 BCE) into modern times, which spans the rise and fall of the Roman Empire.

“This study shows how dynamic the past really is,” said Hannah Moots, a graduate student in anthropology at Stanford University, who is co-lead author of the published paper, which is reported in Science, and titled, “Ancient Rome: A genetic crossroads of Europe and the Mediterranean.” Moots added, “In Rome we’re seeing people come from all over, in ways that correspond with historical political events.” The study was headed by the Stanford University team in collaboration with the University of Vienna and Sapienza University of Rome.

Go back to the 8th century before the common era (BCE), and Rome was one of many city-states on the Italian Peninsula, the authors wrote. But in less than 1,000 years Rome grew into the largest urban center of the ancient world. “Rome controlled territory on three continents, spanning the entirety of the Mediterranean—or Mare , ‘our sea,’ as the Romans called it.”

At its zenith the ancient Roman Empire spanned three continents, and tens of millions of people across Europe, the Near East, and North Africa. At the Empire’s center was Rome, the first city to reach more than one million residents in the ancient world. Rome remained unrivaled in Europe until the industrial revolution nearly 1,500 years later. But even long before the rise of Imperial Rome, the region represented an important cultural crossroads between Europe and the Mediterranean.

Given its historical importance, the Roman empire has been studied extensively, but far less is known about the genetic lineages of Rome’s inhabitants through the ages, the investigators pointed out. To help provide some new insights into the genetic makeup of the region’s population “throughout the trajectory of the empire,” they turned to modern genetic techniques, which over the last decade or so have been used increasingly to study DNA sampled from ancient skeletons. Rome presented an ideal opportunity to use the same DNA analysis techniques to fill in ancestral details left out of the historical record. “The historical and archaeological records tell us a great deal about political history and contacts of different kinds with different places—trade and slavery, for example—but those records provide limited information about the genetic makeup of the population,” said Jonathan Pritchard, PhD, a professor of genetics and biology at Stanford University, and one of the paper’s senior authors.


To understand the genetic makeup of these ancient people, the Stanford team partnered with European researchers, including senior authors Alfredo Coppa, PhD, a professor of physical anthropology at Sapienza University, and Ron Pinhasi, PhD, an associate professor of evolutionary anthropology at the University of Vienna, to gather 127 human DNA samples from 29 sites in and around Rome, dating from the Stone Age to medieval times. The timeline spanned nearly 12,000 years of Roman prehistory and history. Their analysis of the ancient DNA allowed the team to place genetic changes in what they call “the context of a rich archaeological and historical record.”



An increasing number of studies have used DNA sampled from ancient skeletons to fill in important details of human history. In a new study, Stanford researchers and their European colleagues drew on ancient DNA to construct the first genetic history of Rome.

The individuals sequenced fell into three distinct genetic clusters. “Mesolithic hunter-gatherers; early farmers (Neolithic and Copper Age individuals); and a broad historic cluster encompassing individuals from the Iron Age to the present,” the investigators wrote. “The oldest genomes in our dataset are from three Mesolithic hunter-gatherers (10,000 to 7,000 BCE) from Grotta Continenza, a cave in the Apennine Mountains.” Putting the DNA analyses in context with timelines highlighted at least two major migrations into Rome, as well as several smaller but still significant population shifts over just the last few thousand years, according to Pritchard, who is also a member of Stanford Bio-X. The findings indicated that as the Roman Empire expanded around the Mediterranean Sea, immigrants from the Near East, Europe, and North Africa migrated into Rome. This significantly changed the face of the ancient world’s great city, Pritchard suggested.

An analysis of some of the earliest samples is in basic agreement with what has been found around Europe—and demonstrating an influx of farmers primarily descended from early agriculturalists from Turkey and Iran around 8,000 years ago, followed by a shift toward ancestry from the Ukrainian steppe somewhere between 5,000 and 3,000 years ago. “The first major ancestry shift in the time series occurred between 7,000 and 6,000 BCE, coinciding with the transition to farming and introduction of domesticates including wheat, barley, pulses, sheep, and cattle into Italy,” the scientists noted. “The second major ancestry shift occurred in the Bronze Age, between ~2,900 and 900 BCE … During this period, major technological developments increased the mobility of populations.” It was a period during which people had developed overland transport methods, including chariots and wagons, while advances in sailing technologies also “facilitated easier and more frequent navigation across the Mediterranean.” By the founding of Rome, traditionally dated to 753 BCE, the city’s population had grown in diversity and resembled modern European and Mediterranean peoples.

Rome began as a humble city-state, the authors suggested. “Although there is no direct historical or genetic information about the origins of Rome, archaeological evidence suggests that in the early Iron Age, it was a small city-state, among many culturally and politically similar Etruscan and Latin neighbors. However, within 800 years Rome had gained control over an empire that extended to the west as far as Britain, south into North Africa, and east into Syria, Jordan, and Iraq. Archaeological evidence and contemporary accounts indicate that as the empire expanded there were connections between Rome and other areas in its domain, through trade, military campaigns, slavery, and transport routes. While this was borne out by the genetic evidence, the results also indicated that there was a huge shift in the ancestry of people who lived in Rome, but that this ancestry was primarily from the Eastern Mediterranean and Near East.

The next few centuries appear somewhat turbulent. The empire split in two, diseases ravaged the Roman population, and the city was invaded more than once. Those events left their mark on the city’s residents, who shifted towards a western European ancestry. Later, the rise and reign of the Holy Roman Empire brought an influx of central and northern European ancestry. “During the Imperial period … the most prominent trend is an ancestry shift toward the eastern Mediterranean and with very few individuals of primarily western European ancestry,” the team noted. “One possible explanation for the predominance of gene flow from the east into Rome is the higher population density in the eastern Mediterranean than the west.”

The ancient world was thus perpetually in flux, both in terms of culture and ancestry. “It was surprising to us how rapidly the population ancestry shifted, over timescales of just a few centuries, reflecting Rome’s shifting political alliances over time,” Pritchard said. “Another striking aspect was how cosmopolitan the population of Rome was, starting more than 2,000 years ago and continuing through the rise and dissolution of the empire. Even in antiquity, Rome was a melting pot of different cultures.”

“… within each time period, individuals exhibited highly diverse ancestries, including those from the Near East, Europe, and North Africa,” the authors stated. “These
high levels of ancestry diversity began prior to the founding of Rome and continued through the rise and fall of the empire, demonstrating Rome’s position as a genetic crossroads of peoples from Europe and the Mediterranean.”

The researchers hope to be able to expand the geographic range of ancient DNA they can sample. That would allow them to say with more certainty how ancient populations mixed and moved around. Over the longer term, they also hope to add new study parameters. For example, the group plans to look at the evolution of traits such as height, lactose tolerance, and resistance to diseases such as malaria, which may have changed over time.

And this is what Vlad the Impaler said to you. Kemal Ataturk

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Not that easy. Having an Arab mother doesn't give one right to identify as Greek and attack actual Greeks for being Slavs or attack Turks by claiming they are Mongol and insult their culture.

This person literally ruined every thread about Greeks and Turks opened in last week and deserves a ban. She can identify whatever she wants in outside of TA.

I highly recommend professional help also.

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I highly reccomend you read these samples and shut the fuck up.

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Nothing to do with having a Arabic mother Turkish boy. I am very proud of my ancient Levantine heritage. I am not from Former Yugo. I never attacked Greeks you did.

I strongly suggest you make an account on Stormfront. Go and tell the Bulgarian nationalists you're a Turk with Bulgarian ancestors and see how long you last with them. Let alone a Levantine person with ancient Eastern Roman/Anatolian ancestors.

[Kaspias]

Nothing to do with having a Arabic mother Turkish boy. I am very proud of my ancient Levantine heritage. I am not from Former Yugo. I never attacked Greeks you did.

Pathetic.

[Leto]

I strongly suggest you make an account on Stormfront. Go and tell the Bulgarian nationalists you're a Turk with Bulgarian ancestors and see how long you last with them. Let alone a Levantine person with ancient Eastern Roman/Anatolian ancestors.
Stormfront has been irrelevant for years and Turks usually love every drop of Mongoloid blood they have.

[Hapanuwa]

Hey, where are you from?

"I am an Ottoman Göktürk Seljukid Roman Byzantine Seleucid Hittite Phrygian Lydian"

[Rabbit Hole]

Stormfront has been irrelevant for years and Turks usually love every drop of Mongoloid blood they have.

Ever heard of Blood and Honour? They tend not to like Turks too much

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_eOuVzrIC0 ''they are usually Gypsies and Turks'' from a Bulgarian nationalist. 10:09 onwards

[Leto]

Not that easy. Having an Arab mother doesn't give one right to identify as Greek and attack actual Greeks for being Slavs or attack Turks by claiming they are Mongol and insult their culture.

This person literally ruined every thread about Greeks and Turks opened in last week and deserves a ban. She can identify whatever she wants in outside of TA.

I highly recommend professional help also.
I do have a feeling she's gonna get banned soon.

[Rabbit Hole]

Hey, where are you from?

"I am an Ottoman Göktürk Seljukid Roman Byzantine Seleucid Hittite Phrygian Lydian"

Hey where are you from? I am from Turkey but I will call myself Mongolic Anatolian.

[Rabbit Hole]

I do have a feeling she's gonna get banned soon.

It's fine I already had Vlad the imapler bitch slap him across his Turkish face with my results. It's enough for him to be butthurt for the rest of his life.

[Leto]

Ever heard of Blood and Honour? They tend not to like Turks too much

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_eOuVzrIC0 ''they are usually Gypsies and Turks'' from a Bulgarian nationalist. 10:09 onwards
Turks in Europe aren't considered white because they are staunch Islamicists and refuse to relinquish their ethnic identity even if they are born in the West, that's why they are disliked. But that's barely relevant to the discussion.

[Rabbit Hole]

Pathetic.

You're a self confessed Turk with Bulgarian and former Yugo ancestors good luck trying to explain away that to these guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_eOuVzrIC0

[Rabbit Hole]

Turks in Europe aren't considered white because they are staunch Islamicists and refuse to relinquish their ethnic identity even if they are born in the West, that's why they are disliked. But that's barely relevant to the discussion.

They are disliked because they are Turk. They identify with being Turk before Bulgarian, Macedonian, Bosnian fill in the gap here. The very fact he calls himself a Turk and has a creature in his icon that tried to wipe out the majority of Armenian and Pontian Greeks gives me the creeps. Not trying to compare just saying. They're racist scum and I hope some Bulgarian nationalist gets rid of him.

[Hapanuwa]

Hey where are you from? I am from Turkey but I will call myself Mongolic Anatolian.

I have never called myself something else than Turkish lol. Ancestry bit is just so people know I'm not Balkan Turk. Calm down, the quarantaine and identity crisis is hitting you hart. :D

[Babak]

You're a self confessed Turk with Bulgarian and former Yugo ancestors good luck trying to explain away that to these guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_eOuVzrIC0

Look, the point is, youre ancestry indicates you are of Levantine and British heritage. Your autosomal dna is a prime indicator of where your ancestors are from and yours shows it clearly.

[Rabbit Hole]

I have never called myself something else than Turkish lol. Ancestry bit is just so people know I'm not Balkan Turk. Calm down, the quarantaine and identity crisis is hitting you hart. :D

I don't mean you. I mean the literal Turk, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk here. But it's ok old Vladi sorted him out on page 7. :D

[Leto]

They are disliked because they are Turk. They identify with being Turk before Bulgarian, Macedonian, Bosnian fill in the gap here. The very fact he calls himself a Turk and has a creature in his icon that tried to wipe out the majority of Armenian and Pontian Greeks gives me the creeps. Not trying to compare just saying. They're racist scum and I hope some Bulgarian nationalist gets rid of him.
Well, Kaspias is half Balkan Turkish half Pomak and lives in Turkey. I don't really care what historical characters he likes (Mustafa Kemal was a remarkable politician in my opinion) but he is a good member and has posted a lot of valuable stuff on genetics. You won't agree with everyone on everything anyway.

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Look, the point is, youre ancestry indicates you are of Levantine and British heritage. Your autosomal dna is a prime indicator of where your ancestors are from and yours shows it clearly.

Levantine isn't a race because it doesn't match up to the ones today. Some Romans had some Near Eastern Levantine heritage, Imperial Romans too and I printed that out two pages ago before the dog started barking.

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Well, Kaspias is half Balkan Turkish half Pomak and lives in Turkey. I don't really care what historical characters he likes (Mustafa Kemal was a remarkable politician in my opinion) but he is a good member and has posted a lot of valuable stuff on genetics. You won't agree with everyone on everything anyway.

No he's a Turk with Macedonian and Bulgarian ancestors his autosomal plotted next to Polmak Bulgarian populations. He's a Polmak they are Muslim Slavs who call themselves Turks because they live in Turkey. But he somehow thinks that he can still have a nationalistic stance against anyone who doesn't plot in Former Yugoslavia Republic of Macedon. If he told Bulgarian nationalists that he is a Turk and Muslim they'd probably kill him, despite how Bulgarian he is in his genetics.

[Babak]

No he's a Turk with Macedonian and Bulgarian ancestors his autosomal plotted next to Polmak Bulgarian populations. He's a Polmak they are Muslim Slavs who call themselves Turks because they live in Turkey. But he somehow thinks that he can still have a nationalistic stance against anyone who doesn't plot in Former Yugoslavia Republic of Macedon. If he told Bulgarian nationalists that he is a Turk and Muslim they'd probably kill him, despite how Bulgarian he is in his genetics.

But your autosomal dna says youre lebanese muslim+british though. So whats that?

[Rabbit Hole]

But your autosomal dna says youre lebanese muslim+british though. So whats that?

What is that? Well for the tenth time it's Bronze Age levantine. Imperial rome is her number 1 match on my k13 because some Romans had genetic heritage from the Levant/East Med coastline on mytrueheritage I believe it's mapped out as Tuscan /Lebanese samples that are usually a mixture of partly Italian partly Levantine heritage
1 Nov 2019 - The Levantine component in Italians came during the Imperial period ... I just went through every Imperial Roman sample using the Distance ...

https://anthrogenica.com/archive/index.php/t-18871-p-3.html?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=93d7e16234d19c19eae1763 44adaaefabd0fcf44-1588609514-0-AdAFMVGz_Hl13qRPgGHxU-hKoU28F6FU9ezUgN44TmAXmG8lEklX9Na3LZsUNscqWZGDAEuB CzmUhXl4qENYX9xZh5ecGwdskaNtA91lVxYou9jpLg3GGINpBn QSEgAJDelyeVlPR8Zx48T0doTYAt-c_1kgteXFPpKZDihOR62hzGEYO9TmrBwwx-T2xBV2NdvI7zvNpWQzFk7w4V5zuWzcKoFJll_hjDfdkGlLFcNr KuimhvXuxdGx_aba7vOZWyrvJtH4SlQQblb0zX_fjbwIAzbZSW 3KTC21-TkfU07C609IThob3Mcj1pSS6aTTRQ

[Dr_Maul]

Why is this thread still alive?

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[QUOTE=Dr_Maul;6673720]Why is this thread still alive?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/crusades-genes-white-europeans-population-dna-lebanon-a8876411.html

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The first DNA analysis of people who fought for Christianity in the near East during the Crusades reveals a mixed genetic makeup of fighters, indicating soldiers had offspring with locals and recruited them to their cause.

During the medieval period, huge numbers of Europeans travelled to newly established Christian states on the eastern Mediterranean coast.

Over two centuries, starting in 1095, hundreds of thousands of Europeans went to fight in the Crusades in an effort to wrest control of the “holy lands” from Muslim rule.


It is known that western nobility led the Crusades, but historical records lack details of the ordinary soldiers who travelled to, lived and died in the near East.

The new study, by an international team working with the Wellcome Sanger Institute in the UK, undertook DNA sequencing of skeletons found in mass burial sites in modern Lebanon.

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It confirmed that the Crusaders mixed with local people and recruited them as fighters, but it also revealed their genetic presence in the region was short-lived.



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“Historical documents tell us the names of the nobility who led the Crusades, but the identities of the soldiers remained a mystery,” said Dr Chris Tyler-Smith, from the Wellcome Sanger Institute.

“Genomics gives an unprecedented view of the past and shows the Crusaders originated from western Europe and recruited local people of the near East to join them in battle. The Crusaders and near Easterners lived, fought and died side by side.”

The paper, published in the American Journal of Human Genetics, says: “A recent archaeological excavation in Sidon near the remains of a Crusader castle uncovered two mass burials consisting of skeletal remains from a minimum of 25 individuals who had signs of interpersonal violent injuries.”

The remains were carbon-dated to the years 1025-1283.

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“The location, date and condition of the burials, together with a Crusader coin issued in Italy in 1245-1250, and five buckles with designs associated with medieval Europe, all suggest that the burials could have been Crusaders killed in battle during the 13th Century.”

All of those found in the pit were male and had been violently killed during battle, with the research team saying they found blunt force injuries to skulls and other bones. Their bodies had apparently been disposed of in the pit and burned.

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Nearby, a single skull was also found. The decapitated head may have been used as a projectile catapulted into an enemy camp to spread disease and lower morale, which the team said illustrates the brutality of the battles.

Of the nine skeletons they analysed, The scientists said three individuals were Europeans of diverse origins, including Spain and Sardinia, four were near local eastern Mediterranean people who had been recruited to the fight, and two individuals had mixed genetic ancestry, suggesting they were the descendants of mixed relationships between Crusaders and the locals.

But the researchers believe the Crusaders’ influence in the region was short-lived as European genetic traces are insignificant in people living in Lebanon today.

When they sequenced the DNA of people living in Lebanon 2,000 years ago during the Roman period, long before the Crusades, they found today’s Lebanese population is genetically similar to the Roman Lebanese, suggesting the Crusades had no lasting impact on Lebanese genetics.

Dr Marc Haber, from the Wellcome Sanger Institute, said: “The Crusaders travelled to the near East and had relationships with the local people, with their sons later joining to fight their cause. However, after the fighting had finished, the mixed generation married into the local population and the genetic traces of the Crusaders were quickly lost.”

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The research team worked with archaeologists at the Sidon excavation site to transfer the bones from Lebanon to a laboratory in Cambridge dedicated to ancient DNA.

Small portions of the surviving 800 year-old DNA were extracted from the temporal bone in the skulls.

The process was particularly difficult as the warm dry conditions which had preserved bones are also highly degrading to DNA, and only through recent advances in DNA extraction and sequencing technology were they able to piece together the data.

Dr Claude Doumet-Serhal, the director of the Sidon excavation site in Lebanon, said: “I was thrilled to discover the genetic identities of the people who lived in the near East during the Crusades.

“Only five years ago, studies like this would not have been possible. The uniting of archaeologists and geneticists creates an incredible opportunity to interpret significant events throughout history.”


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I have to print out the fact that this is a study of Crusaders it has nothing to do with religion genetically, but I am pretty much going to go insane after tonight I feel as if when someone is going to become bored they will bump the thread and repeat the same questions.

[Konstantinos]

Greek are Arab indeed.

[Dr_Maul]

It confirmed that the Crusaders mixed with local people and recruited them as fighters, but it also revealed their genetic presence in the region was short-lived.


I actually got a few of those samples on MyTrueAncestry as well surprisingly

https://i.ibb.co/TK4D40X/Screenshot-2020-05-04-at-12-05-06-PM.png

[Rabbit Hole]

Greek are Arab indeed.

https://eprints.soton.ac.uk/397264/1/PhD%2520Thesis_20%252006%252016_SUBMIT%2520FINAL%2 520%2528library%2520copy%2529.pdf
http://www.brepols.net/Pages/ShowProduct.aspx?prod_id=IS-9782503553351-1
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/lev.1990.22.1.123?journalCode=ylev20
The Southern Levant in the Hellenistic Period

[Dr_Maul]

Greek are Arab indeed.

Markos the prophet

[Rabbit Hole]

I actually got a few of those samples on MyTrueAncestry as well surprisingly

https://i.ibb.co/TK4D40X/Screenshot-2020-05-04-at-12-05-06-PM.png

Exactly I assume that her top match for Imperial Roman is Tuscan Lebanese or Tuscan Levantine mixed.
i can get my samples from her if you hang on a minute.

[Rabbit Hole]

You have ancient relatives! (you share identified DNA segments)
Info
Central Roman / Mixed 590 AD
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112 SNPs





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[Rabbit Hole]

Markos the prophet

He ( Constantine ) tried telling me that the Levantine admixture in South Eurpope is from the Greek part of Cyprus and I am like no it's from Lebanon/Syria. :picard1:

[Konstantinos]

He ( Constantine ) tried telling me that the Levantine admixture in South Eurpope is from the Greek part of Cyprus and I am like no it's from Lebanon/Syria. :picard1:

When exactly did we have this conversation? :picard2:

[Rabbit Hole]

When exactly did we have this conversation? :picard2:

the other day when I barked at that Assyrian for claiming to be Canaanite which he's not since he does not descend from Imperial Romans :)

You thought I was attacking the Muslimina Polmak Mustafa Kemal Ataturk Djemal Pasha when really I am not. Bulgarian nationalists can do that on Stormfront. You know they call themselves ''blood and honour''.

At least the entire world has Levantine genes to varying degrees. Much more so than Polmak/Muslim/Slav Bulgarian. Yes, very ''Crusader''.

[Rabbit Hole]

Imagine the Crusaders having anal sex with the Turks? I personally find that difficult.

[Konstantinos]

the other day when I barked at that Assyrian for claiming to be Canaanite which he's not since he does not descend from Imperial Romans :)

You thought I was attacking the Muslimina Polmak Mustafa Kemal Ataturk Djemal Pasha when really I am not. Bulgarian nationalists can do that on Stormfront. You know they call themselves ''blood and honour''.

At least the entire world has Levantine genes to varying degrees. Much more so than Polmak/Muslim/Slav Bulgarian. Yes, very ''Crusader''.

I don't know which Assyrian you talk about, I don't follow your conversations in fact I mostly stay away.

And Canaanites descending from Imperial Romans is retarded even for retarded.

[Rabbit Hole]

I don't know which Assyrian you talk about, I don't follow your conversations in fact I mostly stay away.

And Canaanites descending from Imperial Romans is retarded even for retarded.

Well, it's been founded in Levantine samples. So you're going to have to tell all the scientists and historical evidence that it's wrong and retarded. Good luck.

[Konstantinos]

Imagine the Crusaders having anal sex with the Turks? I personally find that difficult.

A Rabbit Hole talking about anal sex sounds experienced.

[Rabbit Hole]

A Rabbit Hole talking about anal sex sounds experienced.

That's how real women take it of course, but also faggots.

[SUPREEEEEME]

I don't know which Assyrian you talk about, I don't follow your conversations in fact I mostly stay away.

And Canaanites descending from Imperial Romans is retarded even for retarded.

Perhaps that's a jab at me - I'm not too sure.

[Maintenance]

So you are a man

[yamagi]

Imagine the Crusaders having anal sex with the Turks? I personally find that difficult.

Crusader-Turk anal orgy

https://i.imgur.com/GU287Nb.jpg

[Leto]

So you are a man
At least not a damn fag xD

[Maintenance]

At least not a damn fag xD

Well his posts kinda lean towards the homosexual side

[Rabbit Hole]

Well his posts kinda lean towards the homosexual side

Her dear. Her

And last post to end this circus once and for all

In order to be “white” you have to have to be of European ancestry(=northern European) and of Christian background. Many people often automatically assume if someone is Muslim they must be Middle Eastern/Arab and therefore not "white" Your religion however doesn't change your “race” Some will tell you that lebanese christians are “white” unlike their “arabic” muslim country-men while genetically they are both of levantine origin.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-abf02a78bb5d5c3011f5045c395519f7

https://www.quora.com/Why-arent-Arabs-of-the-Levant-and-the-Berbers-of-North-Africa-considered-white

I don't agree with the goofy title but actually, yeah.

[Rabbit Hole]

I don't know which Assyrian you talk about, I don't follow your conversations in fact I mostly stay away.

And Canaanites descending from Imperial Romans is retarded even for retarded.

Below goodnight.

[Rabbit Hole]

I don't know which Assyrian you talk about, I don't follow your conversations in fact I mostly stay away.

And Canaanites descending from Imperial Romans is retarded even for retarded.

Below goodnight.