View Full Version : Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 2
Dr_Maul
10-06-2020, 06:31 PM
The higher Atlantic_Med in Azeris than in neighbouring Persians/Kurds despite the significantly higher Turkic input in the former suggest Azeris either have some Anatolian Turkish input or their non-Turkic side was part-Armenian or Armenian-like.
It is both probably
A big indication that they have Anatolian ancestry is the fact that Azeris on 23andMe often get 1-3% Southern European, indicating some form of Turkish ancestry. Most likely Shia refugees
It is both probably
A big indication that they have Anatolian ancestry is the fact that Azeris on 23andMe often get 1-3% Southern European, indicating some form of Turkish ancestry. Most likely Shia refugees
I wonder how turkified the region was before this era. Never find really clear accounts on that.
Dr_Maul
10-06-2020, 06:49 PM
I wonder how turkified the region was before this era. Never find really clear accounts on that.
Hard to know. Some people even say it happened as late as 1800 with the Qarapapaqs, but I doubt it
I don't see much Seljuq influence in the area to be honest, I think it started when it became the Ilkhan capital. A lot of Turkmens probably congregated in the area at the time
I personally see it as finishing up in the early Safavi, around 1500 I'd say. They were definitely more Turkmen oriented than Persian at the time. That would bring us to somewhere around 2-300 years of Turkish being "the language to know" of the region. That's plenty time for something like that to happen.
I wonder if there might be a census done during the brief Ottoman occupations of both the beginning and the end of the Safavid era. Obviously the region was never integrated, but maybe they did one nonetheless.
Where are Turkmens in Iraq from? Especially those in northern Iraq like Kirkuk, Erbil, Mosul.
Dr_Maul
10-06-2020, 06:58 PM
Where are Turkmens in Iraq from? Especially those in northern Iraq like Kirkuk, Erbil, Mosul.
Ottoman resettlement. Most of them from Central Anatolia I'm pretty sure. A big chunk were simply Turkish speaking (Ottoman) officials from local regions. I don't think any had roots in Turkmen regions, in fact they only got called Turkmens as opposed to simply 'Turk' by the 50s if I recall
Brand new Chechen results
Gedrosia 23.41 Pct
Siberian 1.91 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 3.15 Pct
North_European 20.96 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.94 Pct
East_Asian 1.96 Pct
Caucasus 45.66 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Salman
3.73101863 Сhechen
4.43514374 Ingush
4.92271267 Kumyks
6.79282710 Circassian
6.93783107 Balkar
7.27982143 Ossetian
8.33881886 Karachay
8.72415612 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.74627621 Lezgin
10.26975657 Qumuq
Target: Salman
Distance: 1.7722% / 1.77217291 | ADC: 0.25x
35.4 Сhechen
24.6 Kumyks
23.6 Lak
16.4 Georgian_Svan
Target: Salman
Distance: 0.8191% / 0.81913281
52.6 Lak
43.2 Georgian_Svan
2.0 Lithuanian
1.2 Korean
1.0 Kumyks
Another new one from the same account
Gedrosia 23.15 Pct
Siberian 2.35 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.19 Pct
Atlantic_Med 3.83 Pct
North_European 22.59 Pct
South_Asian 0.61 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.04 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 42.24 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Ruslan
2.45226426 Chechen
5.56769252 Ingush
6.91061502 Lezgin
7.21510915 Qumuq
7.64613628 Kumyks
7.77423951 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.82065215 Balkar
7.93162026 Avar
8.22694962 Tabasaran
8.49067135 Lak
Target: Ruslan
Distance: 1.7440% / 1.74400896 | ADC: 0.25x
84.0 Chechen
15.4 Lak
0.4 Saudis
0.2 Cambodians
Bender1999
10-06-2020, 07:36 PM
Hard to know. Some people even say it happened as late as 1800 with the Qarapapaqs, but I doubt it
I don't see much Seljuq influence in the area to be honest, I think it started when it became the Ilkhan capital. A lot of Turkmens probably congregated in the area at the time
I personally see it as finishing up in the early Safavi, around 1500 I'd say. They were definitely more Turkmen oriented than Persian at the time. That would bring us to somewhere around 2-300 years of Turkish being "the language to know" of the region. That's plenty time for something like that to happen.
I wonder if there might be a census done during the brief Ottoman occupations of both the beginning and the end of the Safavid era. Obviously the region was never integrated, but maybe they did one nonetheless.
I know that the region around Tebriz and Urmia had Oghuz settlements which didn’t migrate to Anatolia, many of the Turkmens who came during Seljuk era went to Anatolia and Syria. I think the assurance of Turkish civilization started with Akkoyunlu and Karakoyunlu, where many Turkmen settled there. The „third“ wave was strictly a process with many waves during Ottoman/Safevi era where Shia/Alevi Turkmen tribes migrated to Iran and you stated an important point, this group was essential for Safevi empire and they just affiliated because of them Turkish identity, Turkmens don’t obey to non Turks, that was one of the mayor reason why there were a lot of rebellions in Ottoman empire. There were even a backmigraton to Central Asia, but honestly i don’t know whether they were the Qizilbash which were settled by Safevis or whether this even includes some nowadays Turkmenistan Turkmens.
This Qarapapaks theory could also be true, at the end if 19th century the ethnic composition of Caucasia started to change, during this era hundred thousand of Turks, mostly Azerbaijanis migrated southward.
The Palestinian Christian father of user FairieQueen. Her mother is white American
Gedrosia 9.08 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 4.73 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 17.04 Pct
North_European -
South_Asian -
East_African 2.27 Pct
Southwest_Asian 25.19 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 41.69 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Marvin
2.33967947 Syria_SW_Christian
2.75094529 Palestinian_Christian
6.96649123 Lebanese
7.69655118 Nusayri_Turkey
8.54096013 Jordanians
8.64949131 Syrians
9.37475333 Greek_Cypriot
9.78038343 Palestinian
11.57076921 Iraqi_Jew
13.58920160 Iranian_Jew
Target: Marvin
Distance: 1.1825% / 1.18254599 | ADC: 0.25x
96.4 Syria_SW_Christian
3.6 Sardinian
Target: Marvin
Distance: 1.0655% / 1.06549417
95.4 Syria_SW_Christian
4.0 Sardinian
0.6 Ethiopians
Iranian result from Elam province:
the region is populated by Kurds and Lurs, the person has a lot of matches with people from Iraq (Kurds probably)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/IranIlam-SVG.svg/250px-IranIlam-SVG.svg.png
Gedrosian: 27.72
Siberian: 1.27
Northwest_African: 1.37
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 6.02
North_European: 6.01
South_Asian: 4.23
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 14.75
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 38.54
Sub_Saharan: 0.06
Distance to: Elam
2.37056955 Lur_Iran
3.68093738 Iranian
4.19472288 Kurd_Sorani
4.72278520 Iranian_Fars
5.09425166 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.23955151 Kurd_KAZ
5.27722465 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.41284648 Zaza
6.89892021 Iran_Mazandaran
7.21704926 Turkmen_Iraq
7.87128960 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.59358640 Azerbaijani
10.25482813 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.91632264 Iran_Khorasan
11.64153340 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.66281270 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.03463336 Turk_Southeast
13.04208956 Mandean
13.69274260 Turk_East
13.72304267 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.02585826 Iranian_Jew
14.22992973 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
14.39636065 Azeri_Jew
15.20153940 Assyrian_North
15.38707575 Turk_Central_East
Target: Elam
Distance: 1.2677% / 1.26765720 | ADC: 0.25x
66.0 Lur_Iran
15.8 Kurd_Sorani
9.8 Iran_Mazandaran
4.0 Iranian_Fars
2.6 Tabasaran
1.2 Yagnobi
Bender1999
10-07-2020, 12:48 PM
Maybe already posted here,Oghuz Turk from Uzbekistan:
Gedrosian: 19.19 Pct
Siberian: 8.70 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 1.35 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 3.83 Pct
North_European: 17.93 Pct
South_Asian: 8.41 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 5.54 Pct
East_Asian: 13.45 Pct
Caucasian: 21.48 Pct
Sub_Saharan: 0.12
Maybe already posted here,Oghuz Turk from Uzbekistan:
Gedrosian: 19.19 Pct
Siberian: 8.70 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 1.35 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 3.83 Pct
North_European: 17.93 Pct
South_Asian: 8.41 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 5.54 Pct
East_Asian: 13.45 Pct
Caucasian: 21.48 Pct
Sub_Saharan: 0.12
From Xorazm region?
Dr_Maul
10-07-2020, 12:55 PM
Maybe already posted here,Oghuz Turk from Uzbekistan:
Gedrosian: 19.19 Pct
Siberian: 8.70 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 1.35 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 3.83 Pct
North_European: 17.93 Pct
South_Asian: 8.41 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 5.54 Pct
East_Asian: 13.45 Pct
Caucasian: 21.48 Pct
Sub_Saharan: 0.12
Has to be Türkmen specifically, this result would be extremely atypical for Qaraqalpaqs
Fedora
10-07-2020, 01:01 PM
Maybe already posted here,Oghuz Turk from Uzbekistan:
Gedrosian: 19.19 Pct
Siberian: 8.70 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 1.35 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 3.83 Pct
North_European: 17.93 Pct
South_Asian: 8.41 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 5.54 Pct
East_Asian: 13.45 Pct
Caucasian: 21.48 Pct
Sub_Saharan: 0.12
8% South Asian and 17% NE. I think the highest are Uyghurs who score 10+% South Asian. How much do Afghans score?
Iranian (https://scontent.fhrk1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/11081016_974551799244107_7570060345980356202_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=7aed08&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=29eaQWx4JZcAX8nzU1W&_nc_ht=scontent.fhrk1-1.fna&tp=14&oh=0e24bd5a82a7f4ea1ec9caf87308e2f2&oe=5FA48082). He might have Arab ancestry
HV2a
J-CTS5368
Gedrosia 25.42 Pct
Siberian 1.56 Pct
Northwest_African 1.48 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.52 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.72 Pct
North_European 6.01 Pct
South_Asian 7.02 Pct
East_African 0.66 Pct
Southwest_Asian 17.07 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 33.54 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Target: Kasra
Distance: 2.6997% / 2.69968851 | ADC: 0.5x
84.4 Iranian_Fars
9.4 Iraqi_Baghdad
3.2 Parsi_India
1.6 Kuwait1
1.4 Saudis
Target: Kasra
Distance: 1.7545% / 1.75450221 | ADC: 0.25x
73.8 Iranian_Fars
10.8 Iraqi_Baghdad
8.6 Parsi_India
3.8 Saudis
1.8 Balkan_Gypsy
0.6 Kurd_Sorani
0.6 Spanish_Andalusia
Bender1999
10-07-2020, 01:01 PM
From Xorazm region?
I don’t know, the person just claimed he is i a Oghuz from Uzbekistan.
Has to be Türkmen specifically, this result would be extremely atypical for Qaraqalpaqs
Yes Karakalpaks are Kipchaks and more related to Kazakhs, culturally and genetically. What i have seen is that Uzb.Turkmens are around 20/25% east eurasian.
Fedora
10-07-2020, 01:03 PM
The Palestinian Christian father of user FairieQueen. Her mother is white American
Gedrosia 9.08 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 4.73 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 17.04 Pct
North_European -
South_Asian -
East_African 2.27 Pct
Southwest_Asian 25.19 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 41.69 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Marvin
2.33967947 Syria_SW_Christian
2.75094529 Palestinian_Christian
6.96649123 Lebanese
7.69655118 Nusayri_Turkey
8.54096013 Jordanians
8.64949131 Syrians
9.37475333 Greek_Cypriot
9.78038343 Palestinian
11.57076921 Iraqi_Jew
13.58920160 Iranian_Jew
Target: Marvin
Distance: 1.1825% / 1.18254599 | ADC: 0.25x
96.4 Syria_SW_Christian
3.6 Sardinian
Target: Marvin
Distance: 1.0655% / 1.06549417
95.4 Syria_SW_Christian
4.0 Sardinian
0.6 Ethiopians
Coastal muslim arabs score less SW_asian and higher NE than the christian ones. They're more bedouin shifted.
8% South Asian and 17% NE. I think the highest are Uyghurs who score 10+% South Asian. How much do Afghans score?
Almost 18% North European actually.
Can I have the kit number?
Bender1999
10-07-2020, 01:05 PM
8% South Asian and 17% NE. I think the highest are Uyghurs who score 10+% South Asian. How much do Afghans score?
The North european is quite normal, but yes especially Turkmens and Uyghurs have sometimes high South Asian, i believe the highest South Asian ive seen among turkics were an Uyghur. It probably comes from Iranics/preIE/Turkic people. The person seems to be 50-70% Turkic.
Almost 18% North European actually.
Can I have the kit number?
Sorry, i just have his results.
Thambi
10-07-2020, 01:08 PM
From Xorazm region?
yes he's from xorazm. here's his myheritage video and he has his gedmatch results in the comments section
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eT7o8NrZj4&ab_channel=AmirOz
That's a great find. Never seen anyone specifically from Xorazm before.
Amir,19.19,8.70,0,1.35,3.83,17.93,8.41,0,5.54,13.4 5,21.48,0.12
Target: Amir
Distance: 2.5873% / 2.58730424 | ADC: 0.25x
45.6 Uzbek
30.6 Tajik_Tajikistan
16.6 Nogai
3.0 Saudis
2.8 Pulliyar
1.4 Turkmen_Iran
A lot of East Iranic blood in him.
Halgurd
10-07-2020, 03:09 PM
One of my gedmatch matches. Has a Kurdish name.
Population
Gedrosia 25.80 Pct
Siberian 1.17 Pct
Northwest_African 1.50 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.40 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.84 Pct
North_European 4.72 Pct
South_Asian 1.53 Pct
East_African 1.23 Pct
Southwest_Asian 15.49 Pct
East_Asian 2.43 Pct
Caucasus 37.71 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.17 Pct
Distance to: AH
3.97430497 Kurd_Sorani
4.21167425 Turkmen_Iraq
4.52842136 Lur_Iran
4.59719480 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.06450328 Zaza
6.56396222 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.58107134 Iranian_Fars
6.61840615 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.65311205 Kurd_KAZ
6.66203422 Iranian
8.01252145 Azerbaijani
8.84336474 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.20887615 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.61729692 Turk_Southeast
10.82293398 Iran_Mazandaran
11.03309114 Mandean
11.28318661 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.94599933 Iran_Khorasan
12.02213375 Iranian_Jew
12.43683239 Turk_East
12.67998423 Azeri_Jew
12.68397020 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
13.20491196 Turk_Central_East
13.45433016 Assyrian_North
13.59145688 Assyrian_South
Bender1999
10-07-2020, 03:14 PM
Turk from Western Anatolia, a Yörük
Gedrosia: 16.10 Pct
Siberian: 7.90 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian : 1.81 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 11.29 Pct
North_European: 10.62 Pct
South_Asian: 1.43 Pct
East_African:0.53 Pct
Southwest_Asian: 11.47 Pct
East_Asian: 5.32 Pct
Caucasus: 33.55 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
From Iranian Qizilbash tribe of Qara-Eli/Garaili, so we technically have the first Khorasani Turk result, although i don't know where he is from or how mixed he is since the tribe was in parts re-located all around Teheran:
Gedrosian: 23.22
Siberian: 2.52
Northwest_African: 1.61
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 6.97
North_European: 10.89
South_Asian: 4.37
East_African: 0.34
Southwest_Asian: 9.99
East_Asian: 4.06
Caucasian: 36.03
South_African: 0.00
Distance to: Qaraeli
5.34707397 Azerbaijani
5.43747184 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.66912288 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.72194912 Iran_Khorasan
8.05219846 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.45797848 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.46624474 Turk_Southeast
8.65781728 Iranian_Fars
8.78936858 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.14159723 Kurd_Sorani
9.28500404 Zaza
9.87010638 Iranian
9.94236893 Turkmen_Iraq
10.10596359 Turk_South
10.69501286 Lur_Iran
10.86329600 Turk_Central_East
10.86420729 Turkmen_Iran
11.32543156 Kurd_KAZ
11.34714502 Turkmens
11.34924667 Turk_Anatolia
11.58676400 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.74982128 Turk_Central_West
12.17781590 Iran_Mazandaran
12.33405854 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.38346478 Yoruk
Target: Qaraeli
Distance: 1.1938% / 1.19384691 | ADC: 0.25x
37.4 Iran_Khorasan
35.4 Azerbaijani
20.0 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
4.0 Yoruk
2.0 Azerbaijani_Iran
1.2 Algerian
This is his close match:
Gedrosian: 26.52
Siberian: 2.40
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.55
North_European: 10.63
South_Asian: 5.65
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 8.98
East_Asian: 5.68
Caucasian: 31.59
South_African: 0.00
Distance to: Qaraelimatch
4.10090234 Iran_Khorasan
7.40851537 Turkmens
8.15612653 Turkmen_Iran
9.55277970 Iranian_Fars
10.29052963 Azerbaijani
10.52925923 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.80070337 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.15964226 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.42550603 Iranian
12.69925195 Kurd_Sorani
12.78602362 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.79970312 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.82699107 Turk_Southeast
12.83448090 Tajik_Herat
13.10861930 Lur_Iran
13.42496182 Iran_Mazandaran
13.63755477 Turkmen_Iraq
13.75652209 Zaza
14.12448583 Turk_South
14.23556111 Yoruk
14.98271337 Parsi_India
15.00065999 Kurd_KAZ
15.11491978 Turk_Anatolia
15.41324106 Turk_Central_East
15.43240422 Turk_Central_West
Target: Qaraelimatch
Distance: 2.1826% / 2.18259904 | ADC: 0.25x
73.8 Iran_Khorasan
11.4 Turkmens
8.2 Azerbaijani
3.6 Spanish_Basque
2.8 Lezgin
0.2 Korean
Bender1999
10-08-2020, 07:38 AM
From Iranian Qizilbash tribe of Qara-Eli/Garaili, so we technically have the first Khorasani Turk result, although i don't know where he is from or how mixed he is since the tribe was in parts re-located all around Teheran:
Do you know whether Khorasan Turks are just of Kızılbaş or even have diverse origins? The only thing what i know is that they are the linguistic connective link between Turkmens and Azerbaijanis(consequentlyAnatolian Turks too) so i thought also the link regarding ethnicity, culture etc. This language closer to Turkmen, some even thought it is the connective link between Uzbek and Turkmen language. This both have definitely Kizibas origins and are genetically more close to Azerbaijanis than Turkmens.
Do you know whether Khorasan Turks are just of Kızılbaş or even have diverse origins? The only thing what i know is that they are the linguistic connective link between Turkmens and Azerbaijanis(consequentlyAnatolian Turks too) so i thought also the link regarding ethnicity, culture etc. This language closer to Turkmen, some even thought it is the connective link between Uzbek and Turkmen language. This both have definitely Kizibas origins and are genetically more close to Azerbaijanis than Turkmens.
I think they have various origins (some from Azerbaijan some always in Khorasan). Often the exact origin of some tribes is not known. This one here is suspected to have always been in Khorasan and dispersed first under the Safavids (as I said the result is not necessarily from Khorasan but could also be from Mazandaran or other areas where they have went).
Here you can use Google-Translate:
Link (https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%DB%8C%D9%84_%DA%AF%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C%D9%84% DB%8C?fbclid=IwAR091KX9XvKPH109oFNkDjuA8pZ-qgaq-2Q7BmNzWQnGbGu-cbwMTiU0CYQ)
Bender1999
10-08-2020, 11:12 AM
I think they have various origins (some from Azerbaijan some always in Khorasan). Often the exact origin of some tribes is not known. This one here is suspected to have always been in Khorasan and dispersed first under the Safavids (as I said the result is not necessarily from Khorasan but could also be from Mazandaran or other areas where they have went).
Here you can use Google-Translate:
Link (https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%DB%8C%D9%84_%DA%AF%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C%D9%84% DB%8C?fbclid=IwAR091KX9XvKPH109oFNkDjuA8pZ-qgaq-2Q7BmNzWQnGbGu-cbwMTiU0CYQ)
Thanks. Nevertheless i would believe that he is a Khorasan Turk, although i would expect a bit more east eurasian. I saw some pictures of them and they really look like a tie between Turkmens and Azerbaijanis.
Bender1999
10-08-2020, 12:33 PM
Turk from Izmir, i would say with ancestors from Balkan:
Gedrosian: 3.71 Pct
Siberian: -
Northwest_African: 4.75 Pct
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 24.14 Pct
North_European: 21.06 Pct
South_Asian: -
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 9.09 Pct
East_Asian: 2.32 Pct
Caucasian: 34.64 Pct
SSA: -
Dr_Maul
10-08-2020, 12:41 PM
Thanks. Nevertheless i would believe that he is a Khorasan Turk, although i would expect a bit more east eurasian. I saw some pictures of them and they really look like a tie between Turkmens and Azerbaijanis.
Technically speaking, Turkmens are also ‘khorasan Turks’ so if you google it then they will also show up. Some of the real khorasani Turks are probably mixed with Turkmens however mainly those who live near golestan. Most however should theoretically only be between 5-10 due to qizilbash origins
Technically speaking, Turkmens are also ‘khorasan Turks’ so if you google it then they will also show up. Some of the real khorasani Turks are probably mixed with Turkmens however mainly those who live near golestan. Most however should theoretically only be between 5-10 due to qizilbash origins
Yes but there should be a clear cut between these two groups since one is Shia and the other is Sunni.
Khorasan Turks: Iranians with turkish origin, or turkish-speaking
Turkmens: Turkmens living in Iran, less influenced by Iranian realm/culture
Also Khorasani Turkish is officially endangered
I also expect Khorasan Turks to be close to Azerbaijanis in terms of Eurasian DNA. Maybe slightly more on average since neighbouring populations in Khorasan have higher Eurasian DNA than in Azerbaijan.
Bender1999
10-08-2020, 12:53 PM
Technically speaking, Turkmens are also ‘khorasan Turks’ so if you google it then they will also show up. Some of the real khorasani Turks are probably mixed with Turkmens however mainly those who live near golestan. Most however should theoretically only be between 5-10 due to qizilbash origins
Yes thats true. I often see them as different subgroup than to Azerbaijanis and Turkmens, but also often see that Turkmens and Kizilbas described as Chorasan Turk. Information about them are rare, i can’t read Persians(if there exist sources about them in Iran) and i don’t know whether i could find books about them in Turkey. Tribes in Turkey regardless of ethnicity are well explored, even those who migrated to Iran, but i don’t know if i would find information about them. Even if i would find, i must scrutinise the authenticity of the sources, some historians are idiotic.
Dr_Maul
10-08-2020, 01:02 PM
Yes thats true. I often see them as different subgroup than to Azerbaijanis and Turkmens, but also often see that Turkmens and Kizilbas described as Chorasan Turk. Information about them are rare, i can’t read Persians(if there exist sources about them in Iran) and i don’t know whether i could find books about them in Turkey. Tribes in Turkey regardless of ethnicity are well explored, even those who migrated to Iran, but i don’t know if i would find information about them. Even if i would find, i must scrutinise the authenticity of the sources, some historians are idiotic.
To be honest, I wouldn't hold your breath on finding reliable sources for Khorasan Turks. Iran barely has reliable sources for groups migrating around the 18th century, forget about one from 250 years before that...
Bender1999
10-08-2020, 01:08 PM
To be honest, I wouldn't hold your breath on finding reliable sources for Khorasan Turks. Iran barely has reliable sources for groups migrating around the 18th century, forget about one from 250 years before that...
I think there are maybe sources, but in archives and not for „ hobby historians“ like us. Aren’t Iranian well known for bureacracy, they definitely had some sources. I don’t know about historians in Iran, but i doubt there are any Turkish historian who follows up with them, although i know some who would make a good job regarding this topic.
Dr_Maul
10-08-2020, 01:20 PM
I think there are maybe sources, but in archives and not for „ hobby historians“ like us. Aren’t Iranian well known for bureacracy, they definitely had some sources. I don’t know about historians in Iran, but i doubt there are any Turkish historian who follows up with them, although i know some who would make a good job regarding this topic.
The main issue to be honest is the documentation, sure there might be history regarding origin or something but they don't really document the movements after that, it is just not part of the culture. Ottoman/Turkey would be different because the entire nation was Turkish so they would benefit from documenting all of the migrations and stuff
I think there are maybe sources, but in archives and not for „ hobby historians“ like us. Aren’t Iranian well known for bureacracy, they definitely had some sources. I don’t know about historians in Iran, but i doubt there are any Turkish historian who follows up with them, although i know some who would make a good job regarding this topic.
There were some good scholars like Iraj Afshar Sistani.
Sometimes you can find worthreading papers in the field of Iranian studies.
Bender1999
10-08-2020, 01:24 PM
There were some good scholars like Iraj Afshar Sistani.
Those books which are available are unfortunately in Persian. And to be honest, those kind of books are very expensive, i mostly buy used books but i never find academic literature which are affordable. After Corona i maybe visit the library of my university, maybe i will find there some information(also about other topics).
Kaazi
10-08-2020, 05:37 PM
Western Nepal Tibeto-Burmese
Kit M953347 Gurung
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 54.86
2 Southeast_Asian 15.72
3 South_Asian 14.36
4 Siberian 9.22
5 Gedrosia 4.78
6 North_European 0.75
7 Caucasus 0.31
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Tu (HGDP) 17.15
2 Mongola (HGDP) 19.14
3 Naxi (HGDP) 20.64
4 Yizu (HGDP) 20.93
5 Naga (Metspalu) 22.14
6 Xibo (HGDP) 22.63
7 Hezhen (HGDP) 26.07
8 CHB30 (Metspalu) 27.1
9 Chinese (Dodecad) 27.88
10 Garo (Chaubey) 29.14
11 Daur (HGDP) 30.56
12 Burmanese (Chaubey) 31.1
13 CHD30 (Metspalu) 31.99
14 Tujia (HGDP) 32.82
15 Uygur (HGDP) 34.32
16 Han (HGDP) 35.36
17 Hazara (HGDP) 36.82
18 Korean (Dodecad) 36.97
19 Mongol (Rasmussen) 37.6
20 She (HGDP) 38.86
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.8% Tu (HGDP) + 17.2% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 2.64
2 82.5% Tu (HGDP) + 17.5% Gond (Metspalu) @ 2.85
3 83.4% Tu (HGDP) + 16.6% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 2.89
4 83.4% Tu (HGDP) + 16.6% North_Kannadi (Behar) @ 3.23
5 83% Tu (HGDP) + 17% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 3.31
6 83% Tu (HGDP) + 17% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 3.59
7 82.9% Tu (HGDP) + 17.1% Chamar (Metspalu) @ 3.62
8 83% Tu (HGDP) + 17% SAKILLI (Behar) @ 3.65
9 82.1% Tu (HGDP) + 17.9% Chenchus (Metspalu) @ 3.88
10 82.8% Tu (HGDP) + 17.2% Kol (Metspalu) @ 4.12
11 84.3% Tu (HGDP) + 15.7% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 4.12
12 83% Tu (HGDP) + 17% Piramalai_Kallars (Metspalu) @ 4.38
13 82.5% Tu (HGDP) + 17.5% Dusadh (Metspalu) @ 4.48
14 82.9% Tu (HGDP) + 17.1% Kurumba (Metspalu) @ 4.68
15 83.2% Tu (HGDP) + 16.8% Ho (Chaubey) @ 4.69
16 82.6% Tu (HGDP) + 17.4% Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 4.7
17 83.1% Tu (HGDP) + 16.9% Savara (Chaubey) @ 4.78
18 82.7% Tu (HGDP) + 17.3% Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 4.86
19 83.1% Tu (HGDP) + 16.9% Kharia (Chaubey) @ 5.11
20 81.6% Mongola (HGDP) + 18.4% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 5.14
Kit XB8642061 Gurung
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 55.68
2 Southeast_Asian 15.65
3 South_Asian 13.94
4 Siberian 10.63
5 Gedrosia 3.4
6 East_African 0.33
7 Northwest_African 0.23
8 Atlantic_Med 0.15
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Tu (HGDP) 16.44
2 Mongola (HGDP) 17.76
3 Naxi (HGDP) 20.26
4 Yizu (HGDP) 20.58
5 Xibo (HGDP) 21.1
6 Naga (Metspalu) 21.34
7 Hezhen (HGDP) 24.31
8 CHB30 (Metspalu) 26.91
9 Chinese (Dodecad) 27.66
10 Daur (HGDP) 28.82
11 Garo (Chaubey) 29.91
12 Burmanese (Chaubey) 32.04
13 CHD30 (Metspalu) 32.12
14 Tujia (HGDP) 32.98
15 Uygur (HGDP) 35.37
16 Han (HGDP) 35.59
17 Korean (Dodecad) 36.25
18 Mongol (Rasmussen) 36.69
19 Hazara (HGDP) 37.7
20 She (HGDP) 39.15
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.8% Mongola (HGDP) + 17.2% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 4.08
2 83.9% Tu (HGDP) + 16.1% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 4.19
3 84.4% Tu (HGDP) + 15.6% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 4.22
4 82.7% Mongola (HGDP) + 17.3% Ho (Chaubey) @ 4.3
5 82.6% Mongola (HGDP) + 17.4% Kharia (Chaubey) @ 4.35
6 82.6% Mongola (HGDP) + 17.4% Savara (Chaubey) @ 4.41
7 83.7% Tu (HGDP) + 16.3% Gond (Metspalu) @ 4.68
8 79.4% Xibo (HGDP) + 20.6% BONDA (Chaubey) @ 4.71
9 79.4% Xibo (HGDP) + 20.6% Juang (Chaubey) @ 4.73
10 85.2% Tu (HGDP) + 14.8% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 4.75
11 84.1% Tu (HGDP) + 15.9% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 4.76
12 82.9% Mongola (HGDP) + 17.1% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 4.8
13 84.5% Tu (HGDP) + 15.5% North_Kannadi (Behar) @ 4.9
14 82.3% Mongola (HGDP) + 17.7% Juang (Chaubey) @ 4.93
15 82.6% Mongola (HGDP) + 17.4% Gond (Metspalu) @ 4.94
16 82.3% Mongola (HGDP) + 17.7% BONDA (Chaubey) @ 4.95
17 79.9% Xibo (HGDP) + 20.1% Kharia (Chaubey) @ 4.95
18 84.2% Tu (HGDP) + 15.8% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 5.03
19 83.5% Mongola (HGDP) + 16.5% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 5.26
20 80% Xibo (HGDP) + 20% Savara (Chaubey) @ 5.31
Kit BQ4203261 Gurung
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 56.75
2 Southeast_Asian 17.63
3 South_Asian 13.43
4 Siberian 8.29
5 Gedrosia 3.11
6 Sub_Saharan 0.65
7 East_African 0.13
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Tu (HGDP) 15
2 Naxi (HGDP) 17.47
3 Yizu (HGDP) 17.74
4 Mongola (HGDP) 18.15
5 Naga (Metspalu) 19.53
6 Xibo (HGDP) 21.74
7 CHB30 (Metspalu) 23.94
8 Chinese (Dodecad) 24.7
9 Hezhen (HGDP) 25.82
10 Garo (Chaubey) 28.8
11 CHD30 (Metspalu) 29.22
12 Tujia (HGDP) 30.12
13 Daur (HGDP) 30.89
14 Burmanese (Chaubey) 31.02
15 Han (HGDP) 32.86
16 Korean (Dodecad) 34.93
17 She (HGDP) 36.59
18 Uygur (HGDP) 37.14
19 CHS30 (SGVP) 38.7
20 Miaozu (HGDP) 38.93
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85% Tu (HGDP) + 15% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 2.26
2 84.9% Tu (HGDP) + 15.1% Ho (Chaubey) @ 2.52
3 85% Tu (HGDP) + 15% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 2.59
4 84.8% Tu (HGDP) + 15.2% Savara (Chaubey) @ 2.6
5 84.8% Tu (HGDP) + 15.2% Kharia (Chaubey) @ 2.88
6 85.6% Tu (HGDP) + 14.4% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 3.1
7 84.9% Tu (HGDP) + 15.1% Gond (Metspalu) @ 3.23
8 84.6% Tu (HGDP) + 15.4% Juang (Chaubey) @ 3.71
9 84.6% Tu (HGDP) + 15.4% BONDA (Chaubey) @ 3.76
10 86.3% Tu (HGDP) + 13.7% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 3.76
11 85.8% Tu (HGDP) + 14.2% North_Kannadi (Behar) @ 4.21
12 85.5% Tu (HGDP) + 14.5% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 4.28
13 85.6% Tu (HGDP) + 14.4% SAKILLI (Behar) @ 4.69
14 85.5% Tu (HGDP) + 14.5% Chamar (Metspalu) @ 4.73
15 84.8% Tu (HGDP) + 15.2% Chenchus (Metspalu) @ 4.93
16 85.5% Tu (HGDP) + 14.5% Kol (Metspalu) @ 5.24
17 85.6% Tu (HGDP) + 14.4% Piramalai_Kallars (Metspalu) @ 5.46
18 85.3% Tu (HGDP) + 14.7% Dusadh (Metspalu) @ 5.56
19 81.4% Naga (Metspalu) + 18.6% Gond (Metspalu) @ 5.65
20 85.7% Tu (HGDP) + 14.3% Kurumba (Metspalu) @ 5.76
Central Nepal Tibeto-Burmese
Kit WX4535947 Lama (Tamang)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 55.27
2 Southeast_Asian 17.67
3 South_Asian 13.51
4 Siberian 9.84
5 Gedrosia 2.93
6 North_European 0.51
7 Sub_Saharan 0.22
8 Atlantic_Med 0.05
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Tu (HGDP) 16.18
2 Mongola (HGDP) 18.27
3 Naxi (HGDP) 18.59
4 Yizu (HGDP) 18.91
5 Naga (Metspalu) 21.14
6 Xibo (HGDP) 21.97
7 CHB30 (Metspalu) 25.24
8 Hezhen (HGDP) 25.48
9 Chinese (Dodecad) 26.21
10 Garo (Chaubey) 28
11 CHD30 (Metspalu) 29.91
12 Burmanese (Chaubey) 30.17
13 Daur (HGDP) 30.25
14 Tujia (HGDP) 30.73
15 Han (HGDP) 33.27
16 Uygur (HGDP) 35.81
17 Korean (Dodecad) 36.63
18 She (HGDP) 36.8
19 Mongol (Rasmussen) 38.01
20 Hazara (HGDP) 38.42
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84% Tu (HGDP) + 16% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 3.51
2 83.8% Tu (HGDP) + 16.2% Savara (Chaubey) @ 3.55
3 83.9% Tu (HGDP) + 16.1% Ho (Chaubey) @ 3.56
4 84% Tu (HGDP) + 16% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 3.67
5 83.8% Tu (HGDP) + 16.2% Kharia (Chaubey) @ 3.85
6 83.9% Tu (HGDP) + 16.1% Gond (Metspalu) @ 4.23
7 84.7% Tu (HGDP) + 15.3% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 4.31
8 83.5% Tu (HGDP) + 16.5% Juang (Chaubey) @ 4.46
9 83.5% Tu (HGDP) + 16.5% BONDA (Chaubey) @ 4.51
10 81.7% Mongola (HGDP) + 18.3% BONDA (Chaubey) @ 4.57
11 81.7% Mongola (HGDP) + 18.3% Juang (Chaubey) @ 4.58
12 82.1% Mongola (HGDP) + 17.9% Kharia (Chaubey) @ 4.62
13 82.4% Mongola (HGDP) + 17.6% Ho (Chaubey) @ 4.88
14 82.2% Mongola (HGDP) + 17.8% Savara (Chaubey) @ 4.89
15 85.5% Tu (HGDP) + 14.5% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 4.96
16 84.9% Tu (HGDP) + 15.1% North_Kannadi (Behar) @ 5.26
17 82.6% Mongola (HGDP) + 17.4% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 5.33
18 84.6% Tu (HGDP) + 15.4% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 5.35
19 78.7% Xibo (HGDP) + 21.3% BONDA (Chaubey) @ 5.52
20 78.7% Xibo (HGDP) + 21.3% Juang (Chaubey) @ 5.57
Kit M051965 Lama (Tamang)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 58.94
2 Southeast_Asian 14.69
3 South_Asian 11.47
4 Siberian 10.52
5 Gedrosia 3.58
6 Caucasus 0.57
7 Northwest_African 0.21
8 East_African 0.01
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Tu (HGDP) 12.73
2 Mongola (HGDP) 14.21
3 Xibo (HGDP) 17.38
4 Naga (Metspalu) 17.66
5 Naxi (HGDP) 18.6
6 Yizu (HGDP) 18.92
7 Hezhen (HGDP) 21.37
8 CHB30 (Metspalu) 25.12
9 Chinese (Dodecad) 25.46
10 Daur (HGDP) 26.39
11 CHD30 (Metspalu) 31.85
12 Korean (Dodecad) 32.28
13 Tujia (HGDP) 32.86
14 Garo (Chaubey) 33.31
15 Burmanese (Chaubey) 35.39
16 Han (HGDP) 35.87
17 Mongol (Rasmussen) 36.77
18 Uygur (HGDP) 36.86
19 Hazara (HGDP) 39.35
20 She (HGDP) 39.82
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.1% Tu (HGDP) + 11.9% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 3.89
2 88.6% Tu (HGDP) + 11.4% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 4.05
3 88.1% Tu (HGDP) + 11.9% North_Kannadi (Behar) @ 4.17
4 87.9% Tu (HGDP) + 12.1% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 4.27
5 87.9% Tu (HGDP) + 12.1% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 4.3
6 87.9% Tu (HGDP) + 12.1% Chamar (Metspalu) @ 4.51
7 87.7% Tu (HGDP) + 12.3% Gond (Metspalu) @ 4.55
8 88% Tu (HGDP) + 12% SAKILLI (Behar) @ 4.59
9 87.3% Tu (HGDP) + 12.7% Chenchus (Metspalu) @ 4.65
10 87.9% Tu (HGDP) + 12.1% Kol (Metspalu) @ 4.91
11 88.1% Tu (HGDP) + 11.9% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 4.94
12 86.7% Mongola (HGDP) + 13.3% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 4.96
13 88% Tu (HGDP) + 12% Piramalai_Kallars (Metspalu) @ 4.99
14 87.7% Tu (HGDP) + 12.3% Dusadh (Metspalu) @ 5.16
15 88% Tu (HGDP) + 12% Kurumba (Metspalu) @ 5.19
16 86.8% Mongola (HGDP) + 13.2% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 5.23
17 86.5% Mongola (HGDP) + 13.5% Gond (Metspalu) @ 5.25
18 87.2% Mongola (HGDP) + 12.8% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 5.26
19 87.8% Tu (HGDP) + 12.2% Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 5.28
20 86.8% Mongola (HGDP) + 13.2% Ho (Chaubey) @ 5.3
Eastern Nepal Tibeto-Burmese
Kit AF4263490 Rai
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 62.1
2 Southeast_Asian 18.61
3 Siberian 9.77
4 South_Asian 6.25
5 Gedrosia 1.85
6 Sub_Saharan 0.77
7 Caucasus 0.65
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Tu (HGDP) 6.74
2 Mongola (HGDP) 10.9
3 Naxi (HGDP) 12.17
4 Naga (Metspalu) 12.41
5 Yizu (HGDP) 12.54
6 Xibo (HGDP) 14.86
7 CHB30 (Metspalu) 18.62
8 Chinese (Dodecad) 18.95
9 Hezhen (HGDP) 20.38
10 CHD30 (Metspalu) 26.52
11 Daur (HGDP) 26.6
12 Tujia (HGDP) 27.69
13 Korean (Dodecad) 28.53
14 Han (HGDP) 31.09
15 Garo (Chaubey) 34.44
16 She (HGDP) 35.48
17 Burmanese (Chaubey) 36.48
18 CHS30 (SGVP) 37.89
19 Miaozu (HGDP) 38.15
20 Mongol (Rasmussen) 39.69
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.7% Tu (HGDP) + 6.3% Savara (Chaubey) @ 2.89
2 93.6% Tu (HGDP) + 6.4% Juang (Chaubey) @ 2.91
3 93.6% Tu (HGDP) + 6.4% BONDA (Chaubey) @ 2.92
4 93.8% Tu (HGDP) + 6.2% Ho (Chaubey) @ 2.93
5 93.7% Tu (HGDP) + 6.3% Kharia (Chaubey) @ 2.95
6 94% Tu (HGDP) + 6% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 3.2
7 90.5% Tu (HGDP) + 9.5% Khasi (Chaubey) @ 3.39
8 94.1% Tu (HGDP) + 5.9% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 3.42
9 94.4% Tu (HGDP) + 5.6% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 3.62
10 94.1% Tu (HGDP) + 5.9% Gond (Metspalu) @ 3.64
11 85.8% Tu (HGDP) + 14.2% Garo (Chaubey) @ 3.66
12 94.7% Tu (HGDP) + 5.3% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 3.67
13 86.9% Tu (HGDP) + 13.1% Burmanese (Chaubey) @ 3.96
14 94.7% Tu (HGDP) + 5.3% North_Kannadi (Behar) @ 4
15 94.6% Tu (HGDP) + 5.4% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 4.04
16 94.6% Tu (HGDP) + 5.4% SAKILLI (Behar) @ 4.15
17 94.6% Tu (HGDP) + 5.4% Chamar (Metspalu) @ 4.17
18 94.4% Tu (HGDP) + 5.6% Chenchus (Metspalu) @ 4.23
19 94.6% Tu (HGDP) + 5.4% Kol (Metspalu) @ 4.3
20 94.7% Tu (HGDP) + 5.3% Piramalai_Kallars (Metspalu) @ 4.36
Kit HY9950261 Rai
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 64.58
2 Southeast_Asian 18.83
3 Siberian 7.91
4 South_Asian 7.61
5 Sub_Saharan 0.84
6 North_European 0.17
7 East_African 0.06
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Tu (HGDP) 6.79
2 Naga (Metspalu) 9.78
3 Naxi (HGDP) 11.34
4 Yizu (HGDP) 11.58
5 Mongola (HGDP) 12.75
6 Xibo (HGDP) 15.87
7 Chinese (Dodecad) 17.14
8 CHB30 (Metspalu) 17.3
9 Hezhen (HGDP) 21.91
10 Korean (Dodecad) 26.11
11 CHD30 (Metspalu) 26.27
12 Tujia (HGDP) 27.54
13 Daur (HGDP) 28.33
14 Han (HGDP) 31.2
15 Garo (Chaubey) 35.44
16 She (HGDP) 35.81
17 Burmanese (Chaubey) 37.85
18 CHS30 (SGVP) 38.32
19 Miaozu (HGDP) 38.59
20 Japanese (HGDP) 42.71
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.1% Naga (Metspalu) + 13.9% Khasi (Chaubey) @ 3.46
2 90.9% Naga (Metspalu) + 9.1% Juang (Chaubey) @ 3.93
3 90.9% Naga (Metspalu) + 9.1% BONDA (Chaubey) @ 3.93
4 94.5% Tu (HGDP) + 5.5% Ho (Chaubey) @ 4.09
5 91.2% Naga (Metspalu) + 8.8% Savara (Chaubey) @ 4.1
6 94.4% Tu (HGDP) + 5.6% Savara (Chaubey) @ 4.11
7 91.2% Naga (Metspalu) + 8.8% Kharia (Chaubey) @ 4.12
8 94.4% Tu (HGDP) + 5.6% Kharia (Chaubey) @ 4.13
9 91.3% Naga (Metspalu) + 8.7% Ho (Chaubey) @ 4.18
10 94.3% Tu (HGDP) + 5.7% Juang (Chaubey) @ 4.19
11 94.3% Tu (HGDP) + 5.7% BONDA (Chaubey) @ 4.2
12 80% Naga (Metspalu) + 20% Garo (Chaubey) @ 4.23
13 81.1% Naga (Metspalu) + 18.9% Burmanese (Chaubey) @ 4.36
14 94.7% Tu (HGDP) + 5.3% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 4.37
15 91.5% Naga (Metspalu) + 8.5% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 4.41
16 95.1% Tu (HGDP) + 4.9% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 4.42
17 91.6% Naga (Metspalu) + 8.4% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 4.58
18 95.1% Tu (HGDP) + 4.9% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 4.62
19 95% Tu (HGDP) + 5% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 4.64
20 91.5% Naga (Metspalu) + 8.5% Gond (Metspalu) @ 4.65
Kit JH7355083 Sherpa
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 62.05
2 Southeast_Asian 16.46
3 Siberian 11.83
4 South_Asian 7.41
5 Gedrosia 1.86
6 East_African 0.39
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Tu (HGDP) 8.35
2 Mongola (HGDP) 9.57
3 Xibo (HGDP) 13.11
4 Naga (Metspalu) 13.64
5 Naxi (HGDP) 15.32
6 Yizu (HGDP) 15.71
7 Hezhen (HGDP) 17.98
8 CHB30 (Metspalu) 21.78
9 Chinese (Dodecad) 21.99
10 Daur (HGDP) 23.93
11 Korean (Dodecad) 28.9
12 CHD30 (Metspalu) 29.64
13 Tujia (HGDP) 30.78
14 Han (HGDP) 34.08
15 Garo (Chaubey) 35.67
16 Mongol (Rasmussen) 37.26
17 Burmanese (Chaubey) 37.77
18 She (HGDP) 38.35
19 Oroqen (HGDP) 39.32
20 Uygur (HGDP) 40.05
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74% Xibo (HGDP) + 26% Garo (Chaubey) @ 4.03
2 75.3% Xibo (HGDP) + 24.7% Burmanese (Chaubey) @ 4.45
3 91.4% Mongola (HGDP) + 8.6% BONDA (Chaubey) @ 4.71
4 91.4% Mongola (HGDP) + 8.6% Juang (Chaubey) @ 4.71
5 91.6% Mongola (HGDP) + 8.4% Kharia (Chaubey) @ 4.73
6 91.7% Mongola (HGDP) + 8.3% Ho (Chaubey) @ 4.8
7 91.6% Mongola (HGDP) + 8.4% Savara (Chaubey) @ 4.82
8 82.1% Xibo (HGDP) + 17.9% Khasi (Chaubey) @ 4.9
9 93.7% Tu (HGDP) + 6.3% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 4.95
10 93.4% Tu (HGDP) + 6.6% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 4.97
11 91.9% Mongola (HGDP) + 8.1% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 5.02
12 93.2% Tu (HGDP) + 6.8% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 5.02
13 81.3% Mongola (HGDP) + 18.7% Garo (Chaubey) @ 5.07
14 93.3% Tu (HGDP) + 6.7% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 5.15
15 93.3% Tu (HGDP) + 6.7% Ho (Chaubey) @ 5.18
16 93.3% Tu (HGDP) + 6.7% Savara (Chaubey) @ 5.19
17 93.3% Tu (HGDP) + 6.7% Gond (Metspalu) @ 5.26
18 93.6% Tu (HGDP) + 6.4% North_Kannadi (Behar) @ 5.28
19 93.4% Tu (HGDP) + 6.6% Kharia (Chaubey) @ 5.32
20 93.5% Tu (HGDP) + 6.5% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 5.34
Kit XW1456647 Yangchen (Sherpa)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 61.04
2 Southeast_Asian 15.11
3 Siberian 12.07
4 South_Asian 8.46
5 North_European 1.6
6 East_African 1.02
7 Caucasus 0.44
8 Gedrosia 0.26
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Tu (HGDP) 10.21
2 Mongola (HGDP) 10.33
3 Xibo (HGDP) 13.61
4 Naga (Metspalu) 15.13
5 Naxi (HGDP) 17.08
6 Yizu (HGDP) 17.46
7 Hezhen (HGDP) 17.96
8 Daur (HGDP) 23.54
9 CHB30 (Metspalu) 23.59
10 Chinese (Dodecad) 23.81
11 Korean (Dodecad) 29.92
12 CHD30 (Metspalu) 31.17
13 Tujia (HGDP) 32.27
14 Han (HGDP) 35.47
15 Garo (Chaubey) 35.54
16 Mongol (Rasmussen) 36.13
17 Burmanese (Chaubey) 37.81
18 Oroqen (HGDP) 38.55
19 Uygur (HGDP) 38.9
20 She (HGDP) 39.62
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.5% Mongola (HGDP) + 9.5% Ho (Chaubey) @ 4.07
2 90.4% Mongola (HGDP) + 9.6% Kharia (Chaubey) @ 4.1
3 90.4% Mongola (HGDP) + 9.6% Savara (Chaubey) @ 4.14
4 90.6% Mongola (HGDP) + 9.4% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 4.3
5 90.3% Mongola (HGDP) + 9.7% Juang (Chaubey) @ 4.33
6 90.3% Mongola (HGDP) + 9.7% BONDA (Chaubey) @ 4.34
7 87.1% Xibo (HGDP) + 12.9% BONDA (Chaubey) @ 4.36
8 87.1% Xibo (HGDP) + 12.9% Juang (Chaubey) @ 4.38
9 91.4% Mongola (HGDP) + 8.6% Pulliyar (Metspalu) @ 4.59
10 87.5% Xibo (HGDP) + 12.5% Kharia (Chaubey) @ 4.73
11 91.1% Mongola (HGDP) + 8.9% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 4.76
12 90.8% Mongola (HGDP) + 9.2% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 4.76
13 81.2% Xibo (HGDP) + 18.8% Khasi (Chaubey) @ 4.82
14 73.5% Xibo (HGDP) + 26.5% Garo (Chaubey) @ 4.88
15 87.6% Xibo (HGDP) + 12.4% Savara (Chaubey) @ 4.98
16 87.7% Xibo (HGDP) + 12.3% Ho (Chaubey) @ 5.01
17 90.8% Mongola (HGDP) + 9.2% Gond (Metspalu) @ 5.04
18 91.4% Mongola (HGDP) + 8.6% North_Kannadi (Behar) @ 5.45
19 91.3% Mongola (HGDP) + 8.7% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 5.5
20 75.1% Xibo (HGDP) + 24.9% Burmanese (Chaubey) @ 5.55
Kit PF1251761 Limbu
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 58.63
2 Southeast_Asian 20.07
3 Siberian 9.7
4 South_Asian 7.03
5 Gedrosia 2.81
6 Sub_Saharan 0.85
7 Northwest_African 0.81
8 North_European 0.08
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Tu (HGDP) 10.16
2 Naxi (HGDP) 12.51
3 Yizu (HGDP) 12.93
4 Mongola (HGDP) 13.6
5 Naga (Metspalu) 16.1
6 Xibo (HGDP) 18
7 CHB30 (Metspalu) 19.25
8 Chinese (Dodecad) 20.24
9 Hezhen (HGDP) 22.71
10 CHD30 (Metspalu) 25.25
11 Tujia (HGDP) 26.26
12 Daur (HGDP) 28.53
13 Han (HGDP) 29.28
14 Garo (Chaubey) 30.82
15 Korean (Dodecad) 32.39
16 Burmanese (Chaubey) 32.66
17 She (HGDP) 33.34
18 CHS30 (SGVP) 35.61
19 Miaozu (HGDP) 35.85
20 Uygur (HGDP) 38.61
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.2% Tu (HGDP) + 15.8% Khasi (Chaubey) @ 3.25
2 90% Tu (HGDP) + 10% BONDA (Chaubey) @ 3.79
3 90% Tu (HGDP) + 10% Juang (Chaubey) @ 3.8
4 76.6% Tu (HGDP) + 23.4% Garo (Chaubey) @ 4
5 77.7% Tu (HGDP) + 22.3% Burmanese (Chaubey) @ 4.08
6 90.4% Tu (HGDP) + 9.6% Kharia (Chaubey) @ 4.17
7 90.5% Tu (HGDP) + 9.5% Savara (Chaubey) @ 4.2
8 70.3% Mongola (HGDP) + 29.7% Garo (Chaubey) @ 4.29
9 90.6% Tu (HGDP) + 9.4% Ho (Chaubey) @ 4.31
10 65% Xibo (HGDP) + 35% Burmanese (Chaubey) @ 4.35
11 63.6% Xibo (HGDP) + 36.4% Garo (Chaubey) @ 4.52
12 71.6% Mongola (HGDP) + 28.4% Burmanese (Chaubey) @ 4.57
13 90.9% Tu (HGDP) + 9.1% ASUR (Chaubey) @ 4.75
14 88.8% Tu (HGDP) + 11.2% PANIYA (Behar) @ 4.97
15 91.1% Tu (HGDP) + 8.9% Nihali (Metspalu) @ 5.14
16 91% Tu (HGDP) + 9% Gond (Metspalu) @ 5.26
17 91.7% Tu (HGDP) + 8.3% MALAYAN (Behar) @ 5.7
18 80.6% Mongola (HGDP) + 19.4% Khasi (Chaubey) @ 5.8
19 77.1% Yizu (HGDP) + 22.9% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 5.86
20 77.9% Naxi (HGDP) + 22.1% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 5.99
Kaspias
10-08-2020, 07:09 PM
4/8 Ruse, Bulgaria. Turk.
2/8 Thessaloniki, Greece. Turk.
1/8 Kumanovo, N. Macedonia. Albanian.
1/8 Dobruja, Romania. Tatar.
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 27.49
2 North_European 23.39
3 Atlantic_Med 22.91
4 Gedrosia 10.63
5 Southwest_Asian 6.29
6 East_Asian 4.79
7 Siberian 3.51
8 Northwest_African 0.71
9 Sub_Saharan 0.27
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 12.6
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 13.89
3 Greek (Dodecad) 14.23
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 14.87
5 Romanians (Behar) 14.88
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 15.76
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 16.86
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 17.33
9 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 17.81
10 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 18.08
11 Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.11
12 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 18.64
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.16
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 21.85
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 22.84
16 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 23.06
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.42
18 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 24.27
19 Turks (Behar) 25.03
20 Hungarians (Behar) 26.78
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.5% Turks (Behar) + 40.5% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 4.25
2 62% Turkish (Dodecad) + 38% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 4.4
3 61.2% Turkish (Dodecad) + 38.8% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 4.4
4 59% Turkish (Dodecad) + 41% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 4.42
5 58.1% Turks (Behar) + 41.9% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 4.46
6 58.5% Turks (Behar) + 41.5% English (Dodecad) @ 4.46
7 58.4% Turks (Behar) + 41.6% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 4.46
8 57.3% Turks (Behar) + 42.7% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 4.47
9 61.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 38.1% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 4.48
10 60% Turkish (Dodecad) + 40% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 4.49
11 60.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 39.9% English (Dodecad) @ 4.49
12 61.8% Turkish (Dodecad) + 38.2% Irish (Dodecad) @ 4.53
13 54.8% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 45.2% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 4.54
14 57.6% Turkish (Dodecad) + 42.4% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 4.55
15 59.8% Turkish (Dodecad) + 40.2% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 4.57
16 61.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 38.7% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 4.6
17 55.9% Turks (Behar) + 44.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 4.63
18 59.5% Turks (Behar) + 40.5% British (Dodecad) @ 4.64
19 60.4% Turks (Behar) + 39.6% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 4.66
20 65.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 34.1% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 4.67
Northern Nepal looks 80-90% East Eurasian/Mongoloid.
Not new but interesting. Two Afghan siblings, I assume Tajiks
Gedrosia 31.10
Siberian 4.89
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.17
Atlantic_Med 2.66
North_European 14.97
South_Asian 16.84
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.89
East_Asian 9.23
Caucasus 18.08
Sub_Saharan 0.16
Distance to: Jason
5.57896944 Tajik_Kabul
9.58892590 Pashtun_Kandahar
10.20902052 Pamiri_Ishkashim
10.65721352 Tajik_Herat
10.99696776 Tajiks
11.26012433 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
11.52223069 Tajik_Tajikistan
11.77429828 Kho
11.94606630 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
11.95276119 Pashtun_Tarkalani
Target: Jason
Distance: 1.9391% / 1.93913960 | ADC: 0.25x
70.6 Tajik_Kabul
16.2 Pamiri_Ishkashim
9.6 Uzbeks
1.8 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal
1.0 Korean
0.8 Nogai
Target: Jason
Distance: 2.6857% / 2.68574127 | ADC: 0.5x
80.8 Tajik_Kabul
10.6 Uzbeks
8.6 Pamiri_Ishkashim
Gedrosia 31.21
Siberian 7.13
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 3.83
North_European 14.31
South_Asian 18.11
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.25
East_Asian 8.0
Caucasus 15.95
Sub_Saharan 0.19
Distance to: Marjan
6.14074914 Tajik_Kabul
10.56239556 Pashtun_Kandahar
10.63633395 Pamiri_Ishkashim
11.19814270 Kho
11.32254388 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
11.57635953 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
11.77526221 Pashtun_Tarkalani
12.14039126 Tajik_Herat
12.22479039 Pashtun_Yusafzai
12.31060518 Tajiks
Target: Marjan
Distance: 1.7933% / 1.79330401 | ADC: 0.25x
66.2 Tajik_Kabul
21.0 Pamiri_Ishkashim
6.6 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal
4.2 Altai
1.6 Dolgan
0.4 Burusho
Target: Marjan
Distance: 3.1301% / 3.13014104 | ADC: 0.5x
83.0 Tajik_Kabul
10.8 Pamiri_Ishkashim
5.4 Altai
0.8 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal
Halgurd
10-09-2020, 08:42 AM
New Match
Kurd from Qamislo
Y-DNA: R-Z93
Unfortunately its a v5 chip so its using less than 50,000 SNPs.
Gedrosia 22.17 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.77 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.31 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.74 Pct
North_European 6.05 Pct
South_Asian 5.07 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.79 Pct
East_Asian 0.79 Pct
Caucasus 41.30 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
New Match
Kurd from Qamislo
Y-DNA: R-Z93
Unfortunately its a v5 chip so its using less than 50,000 SNPs.
Gedrosia 22.17 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.77 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.31 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.74 Pct
North_European 6.05 Pct
South_Asian 5.07 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.79 Pct
East_Asian 0.79 Pct
Caucasus 41.30 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
So now we have a first Syrian Kurd.
Distance to: Qamishli
4.42506497 Zaza
4.64056031 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.84867506 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.07166369 Kurd_Sorani
6.15828710 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.16244270 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.30339591 Turkmen_Iraq
6.59311004 Azerbaijani
7.01434958 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.60143408 Turk_East
Target: Qamishli
Distance: 1.4188% / 1.41881295 | ADC: 0.25x
76.2 Zaza
15.8 Greek_Cappadocia
7.8 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
0.2 Sardinian
A Baloch:
Gedrosian: 51.80
Siberian: 1.34
Northwest_African: 0.47
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 2.20
North_European: 0.00
South_Asian: 16.09
East_African: 0.40
Southwest_Asian: 10.85
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 16.84
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Isfahan Persian:
Gedrosian: 26.01
Siberian: 0.80
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.96
Atlantic_Med: 6.75
North_European: 8.30
South_Asian: 4.91
East_African: 1.25
Southwest_Asian: 12.72
East_Asian: 0.98
Caucasian: 37.26
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Dr_Maul
10-09-2020, 03:30 PM
A Baloch:
Incredible result, is it a modern sample?
Incredible result, is it a modern sample?
yes, I think so
The Baloch wasn't part of the Dodecad project? If so, it is to be discarded.
So now we have a first Syrian Kurd.
Distance to: Qamishli
4.42506497 Zaza
4.64056031 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.84867506 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.07166369 Kurd_Sorani
6.15828710 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.16244270 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.30339591 Turkmen_Iraq
6.59311004 Azerbaijani
7.01434958 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.60143408 Turk_East
Target: Qamishli
Distance: 1.4188% / 1.41881295 | ADC: 0.25x
76.2 Zaza
15.8 Greek_Cappadocia
7.8 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
0.2 Sardinian
Results look really strange, high South Asian and high Atlantic Med at the same time and low Gedrosia but he looks more like a Turkish Kurd with that low SW Asian. Btw being from Qamishli doesn’t really tell us much from where he is as Qamishli was founded as a small Assyrian village only 100 years ago, I don’t know where the Kurds who live there now came from.
Halgurd
10-09-2020, 04:07 PM
Results look really strange, high South Asian and high Atlantic Med at the same time and low Gedrosia but he looks more like a Turkish Kurd with that low SW Asian. Btw being from Qamishli doesn’t really tell us much from where he is as Qamishli was founded as a small Assyrian village only 100 years ago, I don’t know where the Kurds who live there now came from.
He has around 47k SNPs so it is not an accurate result. In comparison, my results are 150k SNPs. The South Asian is normal btw, but he has high Atlantic Med.
His maternal side is fully from Qamislo but his grandparents from fathers side are from Batman.
Fedora
10-09-2020, 04:34 PM
Results look really strange, high South Asian and high Atlantic Med at the same time and low Gedrosia but he looks more like a Turkish Kurd with that low SW Asian. Btw being from Qamishli doesn’t really tell us much from where he is as Qamishli was founded as a small Assyrian village only 100 years ago, I don’t know where the Kurds who live there now came from.
It has turkish etymology though? The +li/lu suffix is turkish. I heard that arabs from Mosul forexample have that -siz suffix which is "-less" in english. like serefsiz is honorless.
It has turkish etymology though? The +li/lu suffix is turkish. I heard that arabs from Mosul forexample have that -siz suffix which is "-less" in english. like serefsiz is honorless.
A Turkish translation of Syriac/Assyrian Neo Aramaic Beth Zallin = house of reeds/place of reeds. Qamish is reeds in Turkish. Like I said a town founded by Assyrians from Mardin who fled the genocide during WW1 so pretty new.
Btw the -siz ending is a suffix that was been borrowed into both Arabic aswell as the Neo Aramaic of Northern Iraq. Like we also say damakhsiz = without brain/brainless
Some interesting Persian results (the kit is titled Persia :cool:)
Gedrosia 29.19 Pct
Siberian 1.50 Pct
Northwest_African 0.10 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.53 Pct
North_European 9.42 Pct
South_Asian 5.65 Pct
East_African 1.36 Pct
Southwest_Asian 12.21 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 35.04 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Persia
4.57248291 Iranian_Fars
6.66525318 Iran_Mazandaran
6.80640874 Iranian
6.94435022 Iran_Khorasan
7.74083329 Lur_Iran
8.43095487 Kurd_Sorani
8.75835601 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.83552489 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.70364880 Kurd_KAZ
9.85717505 Azerbaijani_Iran
Target: Persia
Distance: 2.0688% / 2.06875367 | ADC: 0.5x
67.6 Iranian_Fars
19.6 Iran_Mazandaran
7.6 Lezgin
5.2 Yagnobi
Target: Persia
Distance: 1.7206% / 1.72060966 | ADC: 0.25x
58.6 Iranian_Fars
23.8 Iran_Mazandaran
9.4 Yagnobi
6.6 Lezgin
1.6 Iranian
Dr_Maul
10-09-2020, 07:00 PM
This isn't the right thread, but where can we post East Asians?
I have some 50/50 Europeans/Asians
ZN1703087 - SE Asian
UF9983996 - NE Asian
LF9699322 - NE Asian
This isn't the right thread, but where can we post East Asians?
I have some 50/50 Europeans/Asians
ZN1703087 - SE Asian
UF9983996 - NE Asian
LF9699322 - NE Asian
Well, most of us don't know much about them and I suspect Dodecad and some other calcs do not have accurate referances for East Asians/SE Asians either.
But yeah, the subject matter of this thread stops at Bangladesh and Mongolia ;)
Bender1999
10-09-2020, 07:18 PM
A Baloch:
Gedrosian: 51.80
Siberian: 1.34
Northwest_African: 0.47
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 2.20
North_European: 0.00
South_Asian: 16.09
East_African: 0.40
Southwest_Asian: 10.85
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 16.84
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Isfahan Persian:
Is that typical for Balochs? I mean i just saw 2 or 3 samples and they are nearly none steppe influenced. Genetically they look like pre Iranic south-central asians.
Is that typical for Balochs? I mean i just saw 2 or 3 samples and they are nearly none steppe influenced. Genetically they look like pre Iranic south-central asians.
It could be just because of Dodecad and that they were used as reference for Gedrosia. They do have some steppe ancestry I think. But yes overall they are closer to Neolithic Iranians than other Iranians but also have additionaly South Asian.
This guy is how I imagine ancient Neolithic Iranians to look like (but im probably wrong since they dont resemble modern people):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwi-xFBiaI4
That guy looks like a full-blown Pakistani which he probably is since most Balochis live in Pakistan.
It could be just because of Dodecad and that they were used as reference for Gedrosia. They do have some steppe ancestry I think. But yes overall they are closer to Neolithic Iranians than other Iranians but also have additionaly South Asian.
This guy is how I imagine ancient Neolithic Iranians to look like (but im probably wrong since they dont resemble modern people):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwi-xFBiaI4
Iranian Balochi guy sounds more similar to kurdi than farsi which is not too surprising considering kurd baloch shared Mede/Parthian ancestry
His 1st word is choni is like kurdi chwani means how are you. In farsi its chitori - Pashto- Tsanga ye
Next word Bachilok. Kurdi- Bachik- Farsi-bacha- Padhto-maashoom/Kuchnai (Kandahari) . This is close to kurdi Bachik
Balochi- Chikonagi. Kurdi-Chitkai- Farsi- che kaar mekoni - Tsa kai or in Quetta mostly but kandahar sometimes too Chish kai. Again this is close to kurdi Chitkai
Iranian Balochi guy sounds more similar to kurdi than farsi which is not too surprising considering kurd baloch shared Mede/Parthian ancestry
His 1st word is choni is like kurdi chwani means how are you. In farsi its chitori - Pashto- Tsanga ye
Next word Bachilok. Kurdi- Bachik- Farsi-bacha- Padhto-maashoom/Kuchnai (Kandahari) . This is close to kurdi Bachik
Balochi- Chikonagi. Kurdi-Chitkai- Farsi- che kaar mekoni - Tsa kai or in Quetta mostly but kandahar sometimes too Chish kai. Again this is close to kurdi Chitkai
I believe there are shared kurdi-pashto words to exclusion of persian because both kurds and many pashtuns have more Parthian ancestry
Halgurd
10-09-2020, 08:51 PM
I believe there are shared kurdi-pashto words to exclusion of persian because both kurds and many pashtuns have more Parthian ancestry
Can you create a thread and give us a list of these words? There are many Parthian monuments and settlements in Kurdistan. I think even Qizqapan is more likely to be Parthian than Mede.
Can you create a thread and give us a list of these words? There are many Parthian monuments and settlements in Kurdistan. I think even Qizqapan is more likely to be Parthian than Mede.
I guess i can fo that tomorrow. Which languages were you looking for
I believe there are shared kurdi-pashto words to exclusion of persian because both kurds and many pashtuns have more Parthian ancestry
This is very generalizing since many Persians are not originally Persian speaking.
A "Persian" from Semnan is surely more Parthian derived genetically than a Western and Levantine shifted Kurd and especially than a Baloch.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semnani_language
This is very generalizing since many Persians are not originally Persian speaking.
A "Persian" from Semnan is surely more Parthian derived genetically than a Western and Levantine shifted Kurd and especially than a Baloch.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semnani_language
Fair enough or we can alternatively say that Kurds Genetics became more western shifted as they moved west but their language did not
This is very generalizing since many Persians are not originally Persian speaking.
A "Persian" from Semnan is surely more Parthian derived genetically than a Western and Levantine shifted Kurd and especially than a Baloch.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semnani_language
Fair enough or we can alternatively say that Kurds Genetics became more western shifted as they moved west but their language did not
RatCat
10-10-2020, 12:59 PM
I've found 2 gedmatch kits while looking at my matches, father and son. Father is Circassian and his son is half Circassian half something else. (Probably eastern turk, udi,azeri or kurd)
Father (Circassian)
YDNA: G-P15
Population
Gedrosia 19.65 Pct
Siberian 1.81 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.12 Pct
North_European 16.58 Pct
South_Asian 1.65 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.79 Pct
East_Asian 1.47 Pct
Caucasus 49.93 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Nart_dad
2.92882229 Circassian
3.33701963 Ossetian
5.80532514 Kumyks
6.80089700 Ingush
7.28094774 Abkhazian
7.50237296 Balkar
7.51551728 Karachay
9.00116659 Chechen
10.70070091 Georgian_Svan
Target: Nart_dad
Distance: 1.4116% / 1.41162032 | ADC: 0.25x
59.0 Circassian
30.4 Abkhazian
10.0 Chechen
0.6 Pulliyar
His Son (Half Circassian + Half Eastern Turk or Udi ???)
YDNA: G-P15
Population
Gedrosia 19.32 Pct
Siberian 2.45 Pct
Northwest_African 0.42 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 8.04 Pct
North_European 11.74 Pct
South_Asian 2.24 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.72 Pct
East_Asian 0.52 Pct
Caucasus 46.55 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Nart
5.81986254 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.42635978 Turk_East
8.03914175 Turk_Ahiska
8.26271142 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.42146068 Circassian
8.66173770 Ossetian
9.33583954 Armenian_East
9.50373085 Zaza
9.59067255 Ingush
9.73625185 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.84968527 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.89430139 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.90614961 Azerbaijani
Target: Nart
Distance: 1.1512% / 1.15120499 | ADC: 0.25x
42.2 Udi_Azerbaijan
38.4 Ossetian
18.4 Turk_East
1.0 Pulliyar
I made an unofficial result for his mom according to their results.
Her results:
Distance to: Nart_mom(unofficial)
4.12223240 Turk_East
5.78962002 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.84786286 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.06714101 Zaza
6.50724212 Turk_Southeast
6.88393783 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.90785061 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.02906110 Turk_Central_East
7.11775948 Azerbaijani
7.75788631 Turkmen_Iraq
8.01565967 Armenian_East
8.39895827 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
8.53022274 Talysh_Azerbaijan
Target: Nart_mom(unofficial)
Distance: 1.6437% / 1.64373752 | ADC: 0.25x
57.6 Turk_East
20.8 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.4 Iranian_Jew
4.2 Assyrian_North
3.6 Nusayri_Turkey
3.0 Azeri_Jew
3.0 Balkan_Gypsy
1.6 Greek_Cappadocia
1.4 Ket
0.4 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
Target: Nart_mom(unofficial)
Distance: 2.5828% / 2.58278604 | ADC: 0.5x
68.0 Turk_East
15.4 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.4 Turk_Southeast
7.2 Iraqi_Baghdad
Here are their k12b vahaduo codes:
Nart,19.32,2.45,0.42,0,8.04,11.74,2.24,0,8.72,0.52 ,46.55,0
Nart_dad,19.65,1.81,0,0,5.12,16.58,1.65,0,3.79,1.4 7,49.93,0
Nart_mom(unofficial),18.99,3.09,0.84,0,10.96,6.9,2 .83,0,13.65,0,43.17,0
Some Iranian American with high Gedrosia and somewhat high European. Also completely untouched by the bloody Mongoloids
Population
Gedrosia 30.87 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.64 Pct
North_European 10.08 Pct
South_Asian 6.36 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.13 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 34.84 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.07 Pct
Distance to: Farhad
6.51925609 Iranian_Fars
6.97866033 Iran_Mazandaran
7.67650311 Iran_Khorasan
8.12956948 Iranian
9.31126200 Lur_Iran
10.13886088 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.30563438 Kurd_Sorani
10.40585412 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.99664949 Kurd_KAZ
11.58227957 Azerbaijani_Iran
Target: Farhad
Distance: 3.0747% / 3.07466500 | ADC: 0.5x
45.0 Iran_Mazandaran
39.6 Iranian_Fars
15.4 Yagnobi
Target: Farhad
Distance: 1.9291% / 1.92906607 | ADC: 0.25x
65.8 Iran_Mazandaran
17.8 Iranian_Fars
7.2 Yagnobi
5.0 French
1.8 Iran_Bandari
1.6 Pashtun_Kandahar
0.8 Jatt
Target: Farhad
Distance: 1.0998% / 1.09975293
53.0 Iran_Mazandaran
28.2 Kurd_KAZ
8.8 Sindhi
4.6 Dutch
2.8 Mixed_NW_Euro
1.8 Tabasaran
0.8 Saudis
Irrelevant but his wife is Mexican xD
Amerindian 32.46 Pct
East_Asian 1.30 Pct
African 3.15 Pct
Atlantic_Baltic 36.85 Pct
Australasian 0.50 Pct
Siberian 0.99 Pct
Caucasus_Gedrosia 4.97 Pct
Southern 19.79 Pct
South_Asian -
Iranian result (lots of Turkish and Azerbaijani matches, so I'm guessing some kind of Iranian Turk):
YDNA: L
Gedrosian: 25.06
Siberian: 4.06
Northwest_African: 0.40
Southeast_Asian: 0.87
Atlantic_Med: 6.00
North_European: 7.38
South_Asian: 4.70
East_African: 0.11
Southwest_Asian: 11.30
East_Asian: 2.87
Caucasian: 37.36
Sub-Saharan: 0.00
Distance to: FK
4.99352581 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.97703940 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.06770138 Iranian
6.22106904 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.23411582 Iranian_Fars
6.32129734 Azerbaijani
6.87106251 Lur_Iran
6.97360739 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.98555653 Kurd_Sorani
7.15907815 Iran_Khorasan
7.52044547 Zaza
8.39145994 Kurd_KAZ
8.39545710 Turkmen_Iraq
9.22726395 Iran_Mazandaran
9.41289010 Turk_Southeast
11.03340383 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.80185579 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.04217173 Turkmens
12.06177848 Turk_South
12.27876215 Turk_Central_East
12.51754768 Turkmen_Iran
12.72581235 Turk_East
13.05498755 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
13.55804558 Turk_Anatolia
13.95182784 Turk_Central_West
Target: FK
Distance: 1.0346% / 1.03463755 | ADC: 0.25x
37.8 Azerbaijani_Iran
34.0 Iranian
26.2 Iran_Khorasan
1.4 Evenk
0.6 Talysh_Azerbaijan
With nearly 8% Mongoloid that must be a Turk.
Some Iranian American with high Gedrosia and somewhat high European. Also completely untouched by the bloody Mongoloids
Almost the same results
Gedrosia 29.88 Pct
Siberian 0.19 Pct
Northwest_African 1.50 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.06 Pct
North_European 9.41 Pct
South_Asian 4.94 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.82 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 36.20 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Wait, that's literally the same person.
* * *
This Iranian is paternally O3a3c1*
Gedrosia 28.67 Pct
Siberian 1.09 Pct
Northwest_African 2.72 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.27 Pct
North_European 7.19 Pct
South_Asian 4.21 Pct
East_African 0.25 Pct
Southwest_Asian 11.27 Pct
East_Asian 2.57 Pct
Caucasus 37.47 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.27 Pct
Distance to: Khoramdin
5.10084307 Iranian
5.32013158 Iranian_Fars
5.78705452 Iran_Mazandaran
6.11757305 Lur_Iran
6.51367792 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.65237218 Kurd_KAZ
7.80935977 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.80940459 Kurd_Sorani
8.26175526 Iran_Khorasan
8.47099168 Azerbaijani_Iran
Target: Khoramdin
Distance: 2.8830% / 2.88296085 | ADC: 0.5x
33.8 Iranian_Fars
32.6 Iran_Mazandaran
24.6 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.0 Turkmens
1.0 Iranian
Target: Khoramdin
Distance: 1.7131% / 1.71314978 | ADC: 0.25x
58.0 Iran_Mazandaran
21.0 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.8 Turkmens
5.4 Iranian_Fars
3.6 Algerian
2.8 Iranian
1.2 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
1.2 Korean
Target: Khoramdin
Distance: 1.1137% / 1.11372869
70.2 Iran_Mazandaran
16.6 Kurd_KAZ
5.6 Algerian
4.0 Lak
2.2 Korean
0.8 Mongol
0.6 Georgian_Svan
This Iranian is paternally O3a3c1*
Mongol or some old clade?
Mongol or some old clade?
I don't know to be honest. I associate O3 with East Asians like the Chinese etc.
Is 15% South Asian normal in Eastern Iran? I've seen a couple of kits with such high scores.
I don't know to be honest. I associate O3 with East Asians like the Chinese etc.
Is 15% South Asian normal in Eastern Iran? I've seen a couple of kits with such high scores.
I dont think it's normal. Would definetly be extremely high. Probably Afghan matches. Send me the kits if you stumple upon one, normally Iranian and Afghan names can be distinguished in how they are written.
These people are some kind of Georgians. One is obviously mixed (1/4 Russian or something else)
Two close relatives
Gedrosia 16.41 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.33 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.34 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.47 Pct
North_European 10.59 Pct
South_Asian 1.50 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.38 Pct
East_Asian 0.75 Pct
Caucasus 52.23 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Tina
4.56208286 Turk_Ahiska
6.88427193 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.51855704 Armenian_East
8.02749027 Hemshin
8.04705536 Laz
8.23227794 Abkhazian
8.57422300 Turk_East
8.92826971 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.98372417 Greek_Pontus
9.09248591 Georgian_Gurian
Target: Tina
Distance: 2.5998% / 2.59979816 | ADC: 0.5x
70.0 Turk_Ahiska
14.4 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.0 Ossetian
3.6 Greek_Thessaloniki
1.8 Abkhazian
1.2 Greek_Foca
Target: Tina
Distance: 1.2394% / 1.23941800 | ADC: 0.25x
38.6 Turk_Ahiska
24.4 Abkhazian
21.0 Turk_East_Black_Sea
6.2 Greek_Foca
5.0 Georgian_Gurian
4.2 Greek_Thessaloniki
0.6 Pulliyar
Gedrosia 15.14 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.69 Pct
North_European 12.20 Pct
South_Asian 1.17 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.01 Pct
East_Asian 0.96 Pct
Caucasus 54.84 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Nino
6.23240724 Turk_Ahiska
6.62951733 Abkhazian
6.86378904 Georgian_Gurian
8.15947302 Georgian_Imereti
8.56477087 Turk_East_Black_Sea
8.56970245 Laz
8.76530091 Hemshin
9.08001652 Georgian_Mingrelian
9.14012582 Georgian_Svan
9.38209465 Georgian_Turkey
Target: Nino
Distance: 2.0286% / 2.02862780 | ADC: 0.25x
67.2 Georgian_Gurian
22.4 Turk_East_Black_Sea
3.0 Pomak
3.0 Yemen_Jews
2.8 Lithuanian
1.4 Abkhazian
0.2 Pulliyar
Target: Nino
Distance: 1.3218% / 1.32180942
72.2 Georgian_Mingrelian
12.6 Greek_Pontus
6.0 Lithuanian
6.0 Yemen_Jews
2.0 Albanian_North
0.8 Pulliyar
0.4 Korean
* * *
Gedrosia 15.18 Pct
Siberian 1.15 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 12.00 Pct
North_European 23.41 Pct
South_Asian 1.47 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.57 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 45.23 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Target: John_Doe
Distance: 2.3620% / 2.36203614
44.0 Georgian_Mingrelian
24.8 Georgian_Svan
17.6 PL_Mazovia
10.4 Irish
1.6 Rus_Tver
0.8 Pulliyar
0.8 Spanish_Basque
* * *
Gedrosia 17.76 Pct
Siberian 1.17 Pct
Northwest_African 0.81 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.78 Pct
North_European 10.15 Pct
South_Asian 1.58 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.16 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 53.60 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: BG
3.59297927 Turk_Ahiska
5.85685069 Abkhazian
6.64298126 Georgian_Gurian
7.19642967 Georgian_Imereti
7.71088841 Laz
7.71188045 Hemshin
7.72711460 Georgian_Turkey
8.12728122 Turk_East_Black_Sea
8.46843551 Georgian_Adjara
8.46920894 Georgian_Svan
Target: BG
Distance: 2.5118% / 2.51175736 | ADC: 0.5x
71.6 Turk_Ahiska
28.2 Abkhazian
0.2 Pulliyar
Target: BG
Distance: 1.2890% / 1.28903789 | ADC: 0.25x
45.4 Turk_Ahiska
44.8 Abkhazian
3.2 Turk_East_Black_Sea
3.2 Yemen_Jews
2.6 Georgian_Gurian
0.8 Pulliyar
Ossetian
Gedrosia 19.84 Pct
Siberian 4.20 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 3.59 Pct
North_European 17.04 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.12 Pct
East_Asian 2.42 Pct
Caucasus 47.71 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: *
2.57083644 Circassian
2.94579361 Ossetian
3.27789567 Kumyks
5.18814032 Ingush
5.39831455 Balkar
6.06471764 Karachay
7.55326420 Chechen
9.42876450 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.67842962 Abkhazian
12.78575770 Turk_Ahiska
Target: *
Distance: 2.2807% / 2.28066211 | ADC: 1x
79.0 Circassian
21.0 Kumyks
Target: *
Distance: 1.7866% / 1.78658926 | ADC: 0.5x
52.8 Circassian
43.4 Kumyks
3.6 Georgia_Jews
0.2 Kurd_KAZ
Target: *
Distance: 1.1898% / 1.18983449 | ADC: 0.25x
55.4 Kumyks
25.8 Circassian
5.2 Georgian_Svan
4.6 Ossetian
4.2 Abkhazian
1.8 Georgia_Jews
1.6 Kurd_KAZ
1.0 Saudis
0.4 Ket
harutsafaryan07
10-12-2020, 07:47 AM
Armenian from Tbilisi
Gedrosia 20.26 Pct
Siberian 0.62 Pct
Northwest_African 0.26 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.69 Pct
North_European 5.32 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 13.06 Pct
East_Asian 0.17 Pct
Caucasus 49.62 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Armenian_Tbilisi
3.33752903 Armenian_East
5.03393484 Armenian_West
5.27055974 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.48887056 Turk_East
6.57127081 Turk_Ahiska
6.99735664 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
7.29939724 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.44794603 Assyrian_North
7.50901458 Azeri_Jew
7.83218360 Greek_Pontus
7.86640324 Assyrian_West
8.07575383 Georgia_Jews
8.08925213 Assyrian_South
8.15933821 Hemshin
9.01119859 Laz
9.19155591 Zaza
10.62549293 Georgian_Adjara
10.87391374 Iranian_Jew
11.01830295 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.10848324 Georgian_Turkey
11.23506119 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.27017302 Mandean
Some new results I have gathered:
Khorasan, Iran
Gedrosian: 31.04
Siberian: 2.85
Northwest_African: 0.52
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 5.09
North_European: 11.54
South_Asian: 5.29
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.21
East_Asian: 1.02
Caucasian: 31.36
SSA: 1.07
Persian:
Gedrosian: 24.53
Siberian: 1.08
Northwest_African: 1.17
Southeast_Asian: 0.80
Atlantic_Med: 7.30
North_European: 10.15
South_Asian: 5.42
East_African: 0.66
Southwest_Asian: 11.08
East_Asian: 1.24
Caucasian: 36.59
SSA: 0.00
Khorasan + Kerman + distant unknown from Azerbaijan
Gedrosian: 22.97
Siberian: 0.20
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.61
Atlantic_Med: 7.39
North_European: 11.64
South_Asian: 5.28
East_African: 0.23
Southwest_Asian: 12.42
East_Asian: 2.16
Caucasian: 36.49
SSA: 0.00
Khorasan Iran:
Gedrosian: 25.79
Siberian: 1.74
Northwest_African: 0.34
Southeast_Asian: 1.42
Atlantic_Med: 7.34
North_European: 9.01
South_Asian: 4.79
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.92
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 35.31
SSA: 0.35
Mandaean from Iran:
Gedrosian: 21.46
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 2.21
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.81
North_European: 2.93
South_Asian: 1.54
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 23.04
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 39.91
SSA: 0.00
Yazd, Iran
Gedrosian: 29.88
Siberian: 0.19
Northwest_African: 1.50
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 6.06
North_European: 9.41
South_Asian: 4.94
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.82
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 36.20
SSA: 0.00
Khorasan Iran, YDNA: Q-M346
Gedrosian: 29.60
Siberian: 3.12
Northwest_African: 0.54
Southeast_Asian: 0.57
Atlantic_Med: 5.35
North_European: 9.97
South_Asian: 8.16
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 9.20
East_Asian: 3.80
Caucasian: 29.00
SSA: 0.69
Azerbaijani from Hamedan Iran
Gedrosian: 25.23
Siberian: 3.11
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 1.63
Atlantic_Med: 8.97
North_European: 6.76
South_Asian: 5.34
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 9.83
East_Asian: 2.50
Caucasian: 35.58
South_African: 1.02
Lebanese:
Gedrosian: 10.19
Siberian: 0.62
Northwest_African: 7.27
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 14.57
North_European: 1.53
South_Asian: 0.81
East_African: 2.55
Southwest_Asian: 21.05
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 41.40
SSA: 0.00
Great! The North European in Iran keeps increasing :D
I will post another Ossetian soon.
A North Ossetian (definitely not posted before)
Gedrosia 16.80 Pct
Siberian 3.47 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 5.74 Pct
North_European 17.45 Pct
South_Asian 0.54 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.05 Pct
East_Asian 4.93 Pct
Caucasus 47.04 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Kazbek
3.44779640 Ossetian
3.56580987 Karachay
3.80610037 Circassian
4.04652938 Balkar
4.70208464 Kumyks
7.01729293 Ingush
8.97713763 Chechen
11.33377254 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.42319570 Abkhazian
13.00559879 Qumuq
Target: Kazbek
Distance: 2.3174% / 2.31737330 | ADC: 0.5x
61.2 Ossetian
38.2 Karachay
0.6 Korean
Target: Kazbek
Distance: 1.7284% / 1.72839935 | ADC: 0.25x
66.2 Ossetian
19.2 Balkar
8.8 Karachay
4.0 Turk_East_Black_Sea
1.8 Korean
Some Georgian (not posted before either)
Gedrosia 21.18 Pct
Siberian 0.54 Pct
Northwest_African 0.59 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.61 Pct
North_European 8.83 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.05 Pct
East_Asian 1.42 Pct
Caucasus 54.79 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: irma
4.43823163 Turk_Ahiska
5.37589992 Abkhazian
5.63888287 Georgian_Imereti
5.75525847 Georgian_Gurian
6.03677894 Georgian_Turkey
6.62200121 Georgian_Svan
7.20780133 Georgian_Adjara
7.39450472 Georgian_Mingrelian
8.18537721 Laz
8.51049352 Hemshin
Target: irma
Distance: 2.8791% / 2.87912257 | ADC: 1x
61.0 Turk_Ahiska
28.8 Abkhazian
10.2 Georgian_Imereti
Target: irma
Distance: 2.1299% / 2.12990883 | ADC: 0.5x
59.8 Turk_Ahiska
36.4 Georgian_Svan
2.2 Kurd_KAZ
0.8 Georgian_Turkey
0.8 Iran_Mazandaran
Target: irma
Distance: 1.2571% / 1.25714973 | ADC: 0.25x
42.2 Georgian_Svan
31.0 Turk_Ahiska
13.6 Georgian_Turkey
12.8 Kurd_KAZ
0.4 Korean
The Georgian averages don't seem to be representative for all Georgians unless there are so many ouliers and mixed people from Georgia on Gedmatch.
RatCat
10-12-2020, 10:56 AM
Georgian noble with Q haplogroup
Georgian noble
YDNA:Q1a3*
Population
Gedrosia 19.69 Pct
Siberian 0.65 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.23 Pct
North_European 7.24 Pct
South_Asian 0.63 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.87 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 53.11 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
2.10831686 Turk_Ahiska
5.67066134 Hemshin
5.69114224 Laz
6.04114228 Turk_East_Black_Sea
6.54995420 Georgian_Adjara
6.63495290 Georgian_Turkey
6.65108262 Armenian_East
7.85035668 Greek_Pontus
7.92597628 Georgian_Imereti
8.02057355 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.58262780 Turk_East
8.79381032 Georgian_Gurian
8.80478279 Abkhazian
9.80290263 Armenian_West
10.37728288 Georgian_Mingrelian
10.76400483 Georgian_Svan
11.20271396 Georgia_Jews
12.38108234 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
12.95902388 Zaza
12.96248819 Assyrian_North
13.02429653 Azeri_Jew
13.29448382 Assyrian_West
13.31707175 Circassian
13.55807508 Assyrian_South
13.60166534 Ossetian
Target: *
Distance: 1.0512% / 1.05120605 | ADC: 0.25x
72.6 Turk_Ahiska
23.4 Georgian_Adjara
2.0 Iranian
2.0 Spanish_Basque
Fedora
10-12-2020, 12:04 PM
Ahiska Turk with Q haplogroup
Ahiska Turk
YDNA:Q1a3*
Population
Gedrosia 19.69 Pct
Siberian 0.65 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.23 Pct
North_European 7.24 Pct
South_Asian 0.63 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.87 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 53.11 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
2.10831686 Turk_Ahiska
5.67066134 Hemshin
5.69114224 Laz
6.04114228 Turk_East_Black_Sea
6.54995420 Georgian_Adjara
6.63495290 Georgian_Turkey
6.65108262 Armenian_East
7.85035668 Greek_Pontus
7.92597628 Georgian_Imereti
8.02057355 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.58262780 Turk_East
8.79381032 Georgian_Gurian
8.80478279 Abkhazian
9.80290263 Armenian_West
10.37728288 Georgian_Mingrelian
10.76400483 Georgian_Svan
11.20271396 Georgia_Jews
12.38108234 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
12.95902388 Zaza
12.96248819 Assyrian_North
13.02429653 Azeri_Jew
13.29448382 Assyrian_West
13.31707175 Circassian
13.55807508 Assyrian_South
13.60166534 Ossetian
Target: *
Distance: 1.0512% / 1.05120605 | ADC: 0.25x
72.6 Turk_Ahiska
23.4 Georgian_Adjara
2.0 Iranian
2.0 Spanish_Basque
Seems like this whole region has the same genetic make up.
https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13043539_571936622987106_2298953273429148728_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=e3f864&_nc_ohc=wVVvJf6BLaYAX_MUQLG&_nc_ht=scontent-frx5-1.xx&oh=b3b4ba913b421eeb3f1eae3d645b73cc&oe=5FAA60E6
That isn't an Ahiska Turk, that's a Bagrationi (Georgian nobility) from a Georgian account. I posted him on the first thread.
RatCat
10-12-2020, 12:32 PM
Ahiska Turk with Q haplogroup
Ahiska Turk
YDNA:Q1a3*
Population
Gedrosia 19.69 Pct
Siberian 0.65 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.23 Pct
North_European 7.24 Pct
South_Asian 0.63 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.87 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 53.11 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
2.10831686 Turk_Ahiska
5.67066134 Hemshin
5.69114224 Laz
6.04114228 Turk_East_Black_Sea
6.54995420 Georgian_Adjara
6.63495290 Georgian_Turkey
6.65108262 Armenian_East
7.85035668 Greek_Pontus
7.92597628 Georgian_Imereti
8.02057355 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.58262780 Turk_East
8.79381032 Georgian_Gurian
8.80478279 Abkhazian
9.80290263 Armenian_West
10.37728288 Georgian_Mingrelian
10.76400483 Georgian_Svan
11.20271396 Georgia_Jews
12.38108234 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
12.95902388 Zaza
12.96248819 Assyrian_North
13.02429653 Azeri_Jew
13.29448382 Assyrian_West
13.31707175 Circassian
13.55807508 Assyrian_South
13.60166534 Ossetian
Target: *
Distance: 1.0512% / 1.05120605 | ADC: 0.25x
72.6 Turk_Ahiska
23.4 Georgian_Adjara
2.0 Iranian
2.0 Spanish_Basque
Yes this is not an ahiska turk. Georgian noble descendant result. Much thanks to Leto.
20 Palestinian kits
P1,10.99,0,6.8,0,15.54,1.79,2.02,3.67,23.57,0,33.6 9,1.29
P2,12.84,0,5.01,0,14.19,1.94,1.57,2.98,21.79,0.99, 38.05,0.64
P3,9.77,0,7.82,0.97,11.81,3.07,0.03,3.78,24.56,0.1 2,36.88,1.19
P4,11.17,0.69,8.26,0,14.87,0,0.57,4.71,23.72,0,36. 02,0
P5,10.46,0,6.05,0,12.56,1.78,0.80,6.17,25.27,0,35. 38,1.52
P6,12.38,1.14,6.89,0,9.34,0,0,7.87,24.38,0.13,33.7 8,4.07
P7,9.35,0.38,6.97,0,12.32,3.19,0.63,3.64,25.27,0,3 6.49,1.77
P8,9.55,0.23,6.41,0,13.12,2.02,1.08,3.77,24.46,0.5 9,36.24,2.52
P9,12.89,0.72,4.98,0,12.72,2.26,0,4.01,23.36,0,37. 14,1.93
P10,11.46,0.26,4.55,0,15.48,2.34,1.87,4.76,22.33,0 .55,35.86,0.53
P11,8.48,1.35,6.26,1.20,14.39,0.06,0,5.48,23.77,0, 34.48,4.54
P12,8.60,0.60,5.16,0.88,12.09,1.80,0,6.34,25.02,0, 38.48,1.04
P13,9.05,0.08,6.77,0,12.00,1.57,0,4.64,27.16,0.10, 35.91,2.73
P14,11.11,0,4.11,0,15.36,2.26,1.37,4.02,25.77,0,33 .54,2.47
P15,13.24,0,6.35,0,9.24,2.98,1.32,7.30,23.32,0,34. 19,2.05
P16,9.65,0,3.55,0,15.19,0,0.72,3.46,26.24,0,41.19, 0
P17,9.95,0.24,7.79,0,12.05,3.05,0.38,4.75,24.21,0, 37.09,0.49
P18,14.5,0,3.15,0,12.48,4.71,0.64,3.71,22.08,0.62, 37.39,0.72
P19,7.79,0.74,3.72,0,13.76,2.2,0,2.98,22.65,2.87,4 3.3,0
P20,8.01,1.05,4.66,0,16.39,0.86,0,3.60,24.14,3.08, 35.16,3.04
Avg: Palestinian,10.562,0.374,5.763,0.1525,13.245,1.894 ,0.65,4.582,24.1535,0.4525,36.513,1.627
Distance to: Palestinian
5.00228415 Jordanians
5.99088864 Lebanese
6.67390866 Syrians
7.55563014 Syria_SW_Christian
7.80730022 Palestinian_Christian
8.09046085 Palestinian
9.85547243 Nusayri_Turkey
Target: Palestinian
Distance: 0.8266% / 0.82658176 | ADC: 0.25x
66.2 Jordanians
16.0 Morocco_Jews
15.2 Iraqi_Baghdad
1.6 Yoruk
0.8 Somali
0.2 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
20 Palestinian kits
@Amon, thanks for the contribution! All are Muslims?
Bender1999
10-12-2020, 02:23 PM
Maybe already posted here, but i think East Iranics are a bit less presented here. A Tadjik from Uzbekistan, obviously mixed:
Gedrosia: 23.50 Pct
Siberian: 10.45 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 1.28 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 4.33 Pct
North_European: 16.21 Pct
South_Asian: 5.64 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 4.42 Pct
East_Asian: 16.26 Pct
Caucasus: 17.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan: -
11 Lebanese Muslim kits
L1,14.4,0,3.60,0.20,13.94,2.26,1.47,0.23,22.11,0.3 2,40.22,1.25
L2,11.60,0,4.34,1.13,14.82,3.2,2.12,4.40,20.68,0,3 7.67,0
L3,13.2,0,1.97,0.08,16.67,3.54,1.03,0.94,21.64,0,4 0.93,0
L4,12.93,0.17,2.21,0,14.02,3.28,0.28,1.20,21.72,0. 09,44,0.1
L5,9.49,0.48,6.39,0,14.47,3.06,0.73,4.51,21.30,0.2 9,39.27,0
L6,12.31,0,4.12,0.69,15.49,1.01,0.28,1.09,22.55,0, 42.41,0
L7,14.73,0,4.3,0,12.69,5.74,0,1.76,19.37,0,40.35,1 .06
L8,13.64,1.29,3.45,0,13.50,5.57,0,1.35,18.19,0.77, 41.33,0.93
L9,8,0,3.89,0,16.4,7.81,2.11,3.40,18.71,0.28,39.07 ,0.35
L10,14.24,0,4.70,0.70,14.84,2.19,0.11,2.88,20.65,0 ,39.40,0.28
L11,14.46,0,3.05,0.57,15.64,2,0,2.35,20.23,0,40.46 ,1.23
Avg: Lebanese_Muslim,12.64,0.17,3.82,0.3,14.77,3.6,0.74 ,2.19,20.65,0.16,40.46,0.47
Distance to: Lebanese_Muslim
3.44676660 Nusayri_Turkey
4.77578266 Lebanese
6.56825700 Palestinian_Christian
6.95701493 Palestinian_new
7.05054608 Syria_SW_Christian
Target: Lebanese_Muslim
Distance: 0.5682% / 0.56824935 | ADC: 0.25x
60.2 Nusayri_Turkey
19.0 Palestinian_new
10.6 Lebanese
9.0 Iraqi_Baghdad
1.0 Irish
0.2 Bulgarian_Thrace
@Amon, thanks for the contribution! All are Muslims?
Aye
Aye
Great. Will be submitted to Vahaduo.
Lebanese_Christian,10.7,0,4.03,0.17,15.63,0.86,0.3 1,0.98,23.73,0.12,43.46,0
N=25+
Maybe already posted here, but i think East Iranics are a bit less presented here. A Tadjik from Uzbekistan, obviously mixed:
Gedrosia: 23.50 Pct
Siberian: 10.45 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 1.28 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 4.33 Pct
North_European: 16.21 Pct
South_Asian: 5.64 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 4.42 Pct
East_Asian: 16.26 Pct
Caucasus: 17.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan: -
I'm not sure, perhaps I know that kit. I recommed you use my color selection (European, Mongoloid, Arabian, Indian)
UZ-TJK,23.50,10.45,0,1.28,4.33,16.21,5.64,0,4.42,16.2 6,17.92,0
Distance to: UZ-TJK
6.79933820 Uzbek
7.35651412 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
11.84173974 Uzbeks
12.10821209 Tajik_Tajikistan
14.41222051 Tajiks
14.82069162 Turkmen_Iran
16.31298256 Turkmens
17.75990991 Tajik_Herat
18.38421878 Uyghur
19.01659538 Hazara
Target: UZ-TJK
Distance: 2.6571% / 2.65705072 | ADC: 0.5x
59.2 Uzbek
24.0 Tajiks
16.8 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
Target: UZ-TJK
Distance: 1.7603% / 1.76025615 | ADC: 0.25x
51.8 Uzbek
26.2 Tajiks
9.6 Uzbeks
8.0 Turkmens
3.4 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.6 Korean
0.4 Saudis
18 Syrian kits
Syrian_A
S1,11.46,0.26,4.55,0,15.48,2.34,1.87,4.76,22.33,0. 55,35.86,0.53
S2,11.38,0,5.28,0.73,15.21,4.35,1.31,3.45,18.96,0, 38.84,0.48
S3,12.44,0,5.83,0.69,13.20,2.56,0.35,4.17,22.61,0. 65,37.07,0.41
S4,10.27,0,3.12,1.18,14.04,2.62,2.15,3.17,22.35,0. 24,39.47,1.39
S5,10.31,0.34,3.65,0,17.11,2.47,1.35,3.93,20.36,1. 14,36.27,3.07
S6,10.43,0.62,5.28,0.24,12.94,3.72,2.53,3.78,20.07 ,0,38.29,2.09
S7,12.58,0.87,4.61,0,13.04,2.91,2.12,1.24,19.40,0. 33,40.28,2.62
S8,11.14,1.24,3.15,0,17.28,3.37,0,1.66,19.98,0.16, 41.46,0.57
S9,12.47,0,3.80,0,16.34,4.01,0.57,2.06,19.54,0.85, 40.36,0
S10,12.45,0,3.78,0,15.44,3.46,1.31,1.97,20.07,0.36 ,40.88,0.28
S11,13.34,0,3.40,0,11.39,3.42,0.14,2.21,22.00,0,44 .07,0
S12,12.87,0.18,3.89,0,13.63,4.20,1.73,1.82,21.47,0 .07,40.12,0
Avg: Syrian_A,11.83,0.325,4.051,0.211,14.441,3.274,1.22 5,2.601,20.785,0.38,39.827,1.043
Distance to: Syrian_A
1.46823465 Lebanese_Muslim
4.37757387 Nusayri_Turkey
4.47589466 Lebanese
5.90000794 Palestinian_new
6.46828826 Palestinian_Christian
6.88653418 Syria_SW_Christian
Target: Syrian_A
Distance: 0.5357% / 0.53566213 | ADC: 0.25x
90.2 Lebanese_Muslim
6.2 Palestinian_new
1.6 Egyptans
1.2 Palestinian_Christian
0.4 LWK30
0.4 Pulliyar
Syrian_B
S13,14.68,0,2.6,0,13.19,3.77,1.58,3.49,19.87,0.75, 39.34,0.74
S14,15.58,0,5.19,0.61,11.85,4.19,1.31,3.1,17.8,0.3 1,39.48,0.57
S15,16.05,0.21,2.62,0,15.16,6.38,0.64,2.45,17.29,1 .48,36.21,1.53
S16,16.23,0,2.65,0,14.82,5.74,1.09,1.46,18.1,2.5,3 4.96,2.45
S17,16.02,0.41,4.11,0,14.65,4.06,1.33,1.22,16.79,2 .69,37.34,1.37
S18,15.39,1.44,3.98,0.6,12.87,4.69,1.93,1.78,16.54 ,0,39.8,1.44
Avg: Syrian_B,15.65,0.34,3.52,0.2,13.75,4.8,1.31,2.25,1 7.73,1.28,37.85,1.35
Distance to: Syrian_B
5.41341851 Lebanese_Muslim
5.64630791 Syrian_A
6.83453729 Iraqi_Baghdad
7.29629358 Nusayri_Turkey
8.30115052 Turk_Southeast
Target: Syrian_B
Distance: 1.1021% / 1.10211228 | ADC: 0.25x
29.4 Lebanese_Muslim
27.0 Turkmen_Iraq
23.4 Syrian_A
14.2 Turk_Southeast
2.2 Maghrebi
2.2 Morocco_Jews
1.2 Spanish_Asturias
0.4 LWK30
Btw thanks @Leto, @Ramillo and @Ahaddad for your useful posts. I was able to collect only 8 Syrian kits; the rest are taken from your posts.
RatCat
10-12-2020, 03:08 PM
3 North Ossetians. Father, mother and daughter. Father seems to be mixed with something else and can be modeled as %25 Italian on gedmatch.
Mother ( North Ossetian)
Population
Gedrosia 18.49 Pct
Siberian 3.22 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.29 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.94 Pct
North_European 16.95 Pct
South_Asian 0.57 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.08 Pct
East_Asian 3.32 Pct
Caucasus 47.14 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: mom
1.72107525 Ossetian
1.76159019 Circassian
3.76095732 Karachay
3.97013854 Kumyks
4.16967625 Balkar
5.21486337 Ingush
7.68221322 Chechen
9.82557886 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.32312937 Abkhazian
12.50073598 Qumuq
12.76065829 Turk_Ahiska
13.17357203 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.61124168 Turk_East
13.72907863 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.79695619 Georgian_Svan
14.27796554 Georgian_Gurian
14.45384724 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
14.54587227 Lezgin
14.62098492 Turk_Central_East
14.92537437 Azerbaijani
15.31535504 Azerbaijani_Iran
15.54034427 Turk_South
15.61686908 Turk_Anatolia
15.90043396 Talysh_Azerbaijan
16.09877325 Armenian_East
Target: mom
Distance: 0.6083% / 0.60833520 | ADC: 0.25x
63.8 Circassian
19.8 Karachay
13.2 Ossetian
1.8 Greek_Cappadocia
0.8 Armenian_East
0.4 Korean
0.2 Turk_Central_East
Father (Probably mixed or atypical for a Ossetian. Higher European and lower Caucasus)
Population
Gedrosia 15.34 Pct
Siberian 3.32 Pct
Northwest_African 0.44 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.98 Pct
North_European 20.71 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.04 Pct
East_Asian 2.45 Pct
Caucasus 40.72 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: dad
7.50603757 Karachay
7.95967336 Balkar
9.33004823 Qumuq
10.08359063 Ingush
10.09720753 Chechen
10.59758935 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
10.69097283 Ossetian
10.89184098 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.98973157 Circassian
11.34039682 Kumyks
11.86749342 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.11149041 Turk_Northwest
12.13435618 Turk_Anatolia
12.41944846 Turk_Central_West
12.45804961 Turk_Southwest
12.90989930 Turk_South
12.92309174 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.96379574 Turk_Central_East
14.45539346 Lezgin
14.56966026 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.80118914 Azerbaijani
14.89938925 Yoruk
15.10826595 Turk_Southeast
15.13700433 Tabasaran
15.47170320 Avar
Target: dad
Distance: 1.1986% / 1.19863555 | ADC: 0.25x
57.8 Balkar
18.2 Greek_Foca
11.6 Qumuq
9.2 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
3.2 Turk_Macedonia
Daughter (I have her photo but i dont know if it's ethic to share them here, i can pm if anyone interested. Out of topic but She is married to a Norwegian.)
Population
Gedrosia 17.28 Pct
Siberian 3.83 Pct
Northwest_African 0.19 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.45 Pct
North_European 16.44 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.85 Pct
East_Asian 2.36 Pct
Caucasus 45.60 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: daughter
4.35784350 Karachay
5.14982524 Ossetian
5.49665353 Circassian
5.81042167 Balkar
6.87642349 Ingush
7.64392569 Kumyks
9.10821607 Chechen
10.33482462 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.88660170 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.91316079 Turk_Central_East
11.92611001 Turk_East
12.17357795 Qumuq
12.20663754 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.26654801 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.58475268 Abkhazian
12.66890682 Turk_Anatolia
12.92172589 Turk_West_BlackSea
12.99958076 Turk_South
13.03109358 Turk_Ahiska
13.14948288 Turk_Central_West
13.47489518 Azerbaijani
14.21085149 Azerbaijani_Iran
14.38245807 Turk_Southeast
14.43771450 Turk_Southwest
14.83301385 Armenian_East
Target: daughter
Distance: 1.1571% / 1.15707421 | ADC: 0.25x
42.8 Ossetian
38.0 Karachay
8.4 Greek_Cappadocia
4.2 Ingush
3.2 Greek_Izmir
2.4 Italy_Campania
1.0 Sardinian
Target: daughter
Distance: 1.8985% / 1.89854452 | ADC: 0.5x
66.6 Karachay
20.8 Ossetian
12.0 Greek_Cappadocia
0.6 Greek_Izmir
Btw thanks @Leto, @Ramillo and @Ahaddad for your useful posts. I was able to collect only 8 Syrian kits; the rest are taken from your posts.
You're welcome. Though the results I posted were not confirmed Syrians most of the time (I cannot tell whether it's a Syrian or Iraqi by their name). I hope they didn't look like ouliers.
Daughter (I have her photo but i dont know if it's ethic to share them here, i can pm if anyone interested. Out of topic but She is married to a Norwegian.)
Anything unusual? Like blondness or Mongoloidness.
RatCat
10-12-2020, 03:21 PM
Anything unusual? Like blondness or Mongoloidness.
No, brown hair and eyes and no mongoloid influence in phenotype. Sent pm
Noble Cuman
10-12-2020, 03:23 PM
It looks like Ossetians have good amount of steppe and some east Eurasian admixture.
Bender1999
10-12-2020, 06:17 PM
Turk, father from Afyon, mother from Istanbul
Gedrosia: 13.32 Pct
Siberian: 2.49 Pct
Northwest_African: 2.73 Pct
Southeast_Asian: 1.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 11.91 Oct
North_European: 11.49 Pct
South_Asian: 1.33 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 12.89 Pct
East_Asian: 2.58 Pct
Caucasus: 39.97 Pct
Sub_Saharan: -
Noble Cuman
10-12-2020, 06:57 PM
Tatar. He lives in Orenburg. High North European.
Dodecad K12b Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 46.26
2 Atlantic_Med 14.27
3 Siberian 12.52
4 Caucasus 11.87
5 Gedrosia 7.63
6 East_Asian 5.43
7 Southeast_Asian 1.54
8 South_Asian 0.47
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Chuvashs (Behar) 12.86
2 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 18.79
3 Hungarians (Behar) 19.22
4 Russian (HGDP) 20.11
5 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 21.76
6 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 22.18
7 Russian (Dodecad) 22.36
8 German (Dodecad) 23
9 Russian_B (Behar) 23.03
10 Polish (Dodecad) 23.22
11 Romanians (Behar) 25.46
12 Belorussian (Behar) 25.59
13 Swedish (Dodecad) 26.13
14 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 26.5
15 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 27.04
16 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 27.52
17 Norwegian (Dodecad) 27.69
18 Dutch (Dodecad) 28.2
19 FIN30 (1000Genomes) 28.64
20 Lithuanian (Dodecad) 30.01
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76% Chuvashs (Behar) + 24% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 5.37
2 77.5% Chuvashs (Behar) + 22.5% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 5.62
3 78.5% Chuvashs (Behar) + 21.5% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 5.67
4 78.3% Chuvashs (Behar) + 21.7% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 5.69
5 73.9% Chuvashs (Behar) + 26.1% French (HGDP) @ 5.71
6 80.1% Chuvashs (Behar) + 19.9% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 5.73
7 78.8% Chuvashs (Behar) + 21.2% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 5.83
8 79.5% Chuvashs (Behar) + 20.5% Spaniards (Behar) @ 5.85
9 78.2% Chuvashs (Behar) + 21.8% Galicia (1000Genomes) @ 5.86
10 78.3% Chuvashs (Behar) + 21.7% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 5.91
11 79.6% Chuvashs (Behar) + 20.4% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 5.94
12 80.3% Chuvashs (Behar) + 19.7% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 5.96
13 79.3% Chuvashs (Behar) + 20.7% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 5.98
14 75.9% Chuvashs (Behar) + 24.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 6
15 79.6% Chuvashs (Behar) + 20.4% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 6.01
16 77.8% Chuvashs (Behar) + 22.2% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 6.02
17 70.3% Chuvashs (Behar) + 29.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 6.02
18 80.3% Chuvashs (Behar) + 19.7% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 6.08
19 80.1% Chuvashs (Behar) + 19.9% Cantabria (1000Genomes) @ 6.11
20 80.7% Chuvashs (Behar) + 19.3% Aragon (1000Genomes) @ 6.13
Tatar. He lives in Orenburg. High North European.
I know that kit. Yes, slightly higher North European. Otherwise nothing unusual. They range between 15 and 25% Mongoloid but these are the extremes, the vast majority would be 18-22%. I'm too lazy to run the oracle.
https://www.geog.ubc.ca/files/2019/10/cropped-Albina-Gibadullina-092419-1.png
# Population Percent
1 North_European 44.4
2 Atlantic_Med 15.6
3 Caucasus 12.14
4 Siberian 10.99
5 East_Asian 6.97
6 Gedrosia 6.71
7 Southwest_Asian 1.44
8 South_Asian 1.08
9 Northwest_African 0.47
10 East_African 0.21
Ca. 18% Mongoloid but looks at least 50% to me. I'm sure in Vancouver at least someone has come up to her speaking Chinese or some other Asian language.
Noble Cuman
10-12-2020, 07:15 PM
https://www.geog.ubc.ca/files/2019/10/cropped-Albina-Gibadullina-092419-1.png
# Population Percent
1 North_European 44.4
2 Atlantic_Med 15.6
3 Caucasus 12.14
4 Siberian 10.99
5 East_Asian 6.97
6 Gedrosia 6.71
7 Southwest_Asian 1.44
8 South_Asian 1.08
9 Northwest_African 0.47
10 East_African 0.21
Ca. 18% Mongoloid but looks at least 50% to me. I'm sure in Vancouver at least someone has come up to her speaking Chinese or some other Asian language.
She scores good amount of north Euro and other caucasoid components. But she looks more Asian influenced in that photo. Tatars have diverse looks. They have mainly Turanid-Uralid-Volgid and Baltic-Nordic types. Even sometimes dinarid and Pontid.
Bender1999
10-12-2020, 07:19 PM
I know that kit. Yes, slightly higher North European. Otherwise nothing unusual. They range between 15 and 25% Mongoloid but these are the extremes, the vast majority would be 18-22%. I'm too lazy to run the oracle.
How mongoloid are Siberian Tatars, do you know?
How mongoloid are Siberian Tatars, do you know?
45% according to the Balanovsky et al paper. It realistically puts the Kazan Tatars at 20% and the Mishars (Western Tatars) at 17%. However they claim Bashkirs can range from 26 to 40% depending on the region (Southern Bashkirs are said to be the most Mongoloid).
I've seen only one possible Siberian Tatar Gedmatch, they're very rare and largely assimilated by now. The Soviet government basically said they were just Tatars and never treated them as a separate ethnic group.
She scores good amount of north Euro and other caucasoid components. But she looks more Asian influenced in that photo. Tatars have diverse looks. They have mainly Turanid-Uralid-Volgid and Baltic-Nordic types. Even sometimes dinarid and Pontid.
Yes, correct. Anything from Uzbek to Finnish looks. Caucasian-like or Turkish-like phenotypes can be found too.
I believe in Turkey the Mongoloid is way less pronounced. Maybe because it's 10% on average and not 20% but also because the Turkish West Eurasian basis is predominantly Southern Caucasoid and not Northern (Baltic-Nordic). Sharper features, bigger, more prominent noses, less prominent cheekbones and things like that.
Bender1999
10-12-2020, 08:05 PM
45% according to the Balanovsky et al paper. It realistically puts the Kazan Tatars at 20% and the Mishars (Western Tatars) at 17%. However they claim Bashkirs can range from 26 to 40% depending on the region (Southern Bashkirs are said to be the most Mongoloid).
I've seen only one possible Siberian Tatar Gedmatch, they're very rare and largely assimilated by now. The Soviet government basically said they were just Tatars and never treated them as a separate ethnic group.
Bashkir results also seem to be rare, i think they are more Turkic than for example Cuvashes which are heavily Ugric influenced. I don’t know how their east eurasian composition look like, but i think they are more related to Proto Turks, genetically.
Bashkir results also seem to be rare, i think they are more Turkic than for example Cuvashes which are heavily Ugric influenced. I don’t know how their east eurasian composition look like, but i think they are more related to Proto Turks, genetically.
Well, there is a dozen of Bashkir kits, they were used for creating the average.
Bashkir,10.27,23.64,0.15,1.07,8,30.73,1.87,0.01,0. 49,16.51,7.24,0.01
I think they are Turkic, Iranic and Ugric/Samoyedic, something like that. But in looks and culture they do seem more Turkic than the Tatars.
Crimean coast Tatar + Karaite
Gedrosia 11.59 Pct
Siberian 1.73 Pct
Northwest_African 0.89 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 16.48 Pct
North_European 11.32 Pct
South_Asian 1.83 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.68 Pct
East_Asian 1.16 Pct
Caucasus 40.31 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
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I subtracted and procured these results for a Karaite (on Eurogenes K13)
Karaite,1.24908,0.45372,10.76096,29.14592,42.73424 ,10.55596,3.47844,0.55416,0.10616,0.12256,0.2668,0 .54224,0.02944
Distance to: Karaite
1.62793316 Iraqi_Jew
1.76410996 Kurdish_Jewish
4.62875542 Mandean
5.10786468 Assyrian_South
5.15675425 Assyrian_West
5.61822392 Assyrian_North
Target: Karaite
Distance: 0.2441% / 0.24410060 | ADC: 0.25x
61.6 Kurdish_Jewish
25.8 Iraqi_Jew
7.4 Lebanese_Druze
3.6 Lebanese_Muslim
1.0 Nusayri
0.4 Lebanese_Christian
0.2 Palestinian
Tatar_coast,17.57092,14.22628,17.21904,16.59408,23 .26576,2.58404,2.64156,3.32584,3.55384,-0.12256,-0.2668,-0.54224,-0.02944
Distance to: Tatar_coast
5.39732163 Turk_Burgas
5.87371398 Turk_Crete
6.03946083 Turk_Edirne
6.18146869 Turk_Balkan_average
6.65611069 Turk_Kazanlik
6.83210368 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
7.12827395 Greek_Istanbul
7.57915647 Greek_West_Macedonia
Target: Tatar_coast
Distance: 1.5204% / 1.52044279 | ADC: 0.25x
30.4 Turk_Edirne
27.4 Turk_Burgas
25.2 Turk_Kazanlik
12.8 Greek_Athens
1.8 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
1.6 Greek_Western-Thrace
0.8 Cambodian
How did you subtract the results from Eurogenes K13? Also, I had the Coastal Tatar deleted from Vahaduo because only one individual is not an average, that is not serious.
How did you subtract the results from Eurogenes K13? Also, I had the Coastal Tatar deleted from Vahaduo because only one individual is not an average, that is not serious.
I chose a set of references (Mesopotamian + Levantine for Karaite and Balkan Turks + Greeks for Tatar) and subtracted 50% MENA ancestry. What remained came out like I anticipated!
RatCat
10-13-2020, 01:31 PM
3 daughters and 1 father. Father is Circassian and daughters are Half Circassian + Half German or German American. They are sisters probably.
Father (Circassian)
Population
Gedrosia 17.84 Pct
Siberian 3.12 Pct
Northwest_African 0.22 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.58 Pct
North_European 15.40 Pct
South_Asian 0.09 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.35 Pct
East_Asian 1.06 Pct
Caucasus 50.32 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Talih
4.01256776 Ossetian
4.05975369 Circassian
6.96222666 Abkhazian
7.52804091 Kumyks
7.81966751 Karachay
8.14750268 Balkar
8.25786897 Ingush
9.43305889 Turk_Ahiska
10.53467133 Georgian_Gurian
10.61868165 Georgian_Svan
10.81755980 Chechen
11.81074087 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.22728506 Turk_East
12.24512964 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.53253765 Georgian_Imereti
12.78129101 Georgian_Mingrelian
13.44324738 Armenian_East
13.64427352 Turk_East_Black_Sea
13.99759979 Georgian_Turkey
14.16546152 Laz
14.40951075 Hemshin
14.45201716 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.75965108 Georgian_Adjara
15.07602733 Turk_Central_East
15.37296653 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
Target: Talih
Distance: 1.1368% / 1.13675158 | ADC: 0.25x
67.0 Ossetian
18.6 Abkhazian
9.2 Greek_Cappadocia
5.2 Georgian_Gurian
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Person 1 (Half Circassian + Half German/German American)
(I have her photos anyone interested can pm me for them)
Population
Gedrosia 12.55 Pct
Siberian 1.99 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 22.04 Pct
North_European 32.21 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.70 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 28.49 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 44.3% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 2.93
2 55% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 45% Adygei (HGDP) @ 2.96
3 52.7% Kent (1000Genomes) + 47.3% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 2.99
4 52% Kent (1000Genomes) + 48% Adygei (HGDP) @ 3
5 53.3% Dutch (Dodecad) + 46.7% Adygei (HGDP) @ 3
Target: Hulya
Distance: 2.5756% / 2.57561578 | ADC: 0.25x
44.6 Macedonian
28.0 Dargin
20.4 MD_Gagauz
6.6 Bavarian_German
0.4 HUN_Szekely
Distance to: Hulya
7.69302931 Turk_Bulgaria
7.92376804 Turk_Romania
8.15346552 MD_Gagauz
8.95528336 Bulgarian_East
9.25490681 Greek_Macedonia
9.56752842 Bulgarian_Central
9.74917432 Turk_Macedonia
9.85637865 Pomak
9.91808953 Bulgarian_West
9.92645959 Turk_Greece
9.93884299 MD_South
10.53108731 Romanian
10.57563710 Macedonian
11.04013134 Bulgarian_Thrace
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Person 2 ( Half Circassian + Half German)
(I have her photos too.)
Population
Gedrosia 10.98 Pct
Siberian 2.95 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 19.68 Pct
North_European 32.90 Pct
South_Asian 0.46 Pct
East_African 0.18 Pct
Southwest_Asian 3.13 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 29.71 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.3% Dutch (Dodecad) + 48.7% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 3.83
2 55.7% German (Dodecad) + 44.3% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 3.9
3 51.8% Dutch (Dodecad) + 48.2% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.97
4 56.2% German (Dodecad) + 43.8% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.99
5 50.4% German (Dodecad) + 49.6% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.01
Distance to: kristal
7.53775829 Turk_Bulgaria
8.68436526 Turk_Romania
8.85743191 MD_Gagauz
9.43748907 Bulgarian_East
9.94048289 Greek_Macedonia
10.03703642 Pomak
10.06862950 Bulgarian_Central
10.21357430 Turk_Greece
10.25864026 Turk_Macedonia
10.49298813 Bulgarian_West
10.57082305 MD_South
11.28234461 Romanian
11.48822876 Macedonian
11.51109899 Bulgarian_Thrace
Target: kristal
Distance: 2.8355% / 2.83546682 | ADC: 0.25x
32.4 MD_Center
20.4 Bulgarian_West
20.4 Dargin
11.4 MD_Gagauz
8.2 Turk_Bulgaria
6.8 Ossetian
0.4 Nogai
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Person 3 (Half Circassian + Half German/German American)
Population
Gedrosia 12.41 Pct
Siberian 0.40 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 22.10 Pct
North_European 32.01 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.10 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.75 Pct
East_Asian 1.89 Pct
Caucasus 28.28 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: talihna
7.55340321 Turk_Bulgaria
7.71361783 Turk_Romania
8.00827072 MD_Gagauz
8.82472096 Bulgarian_East
9.06317273 Greek_Macedonia
9.41366029 Bulgarian_Central
9.68935498 Pomak
9.70887223 Turk_Macedonia
9.75960040 Turk_Greece
9.80454486 Bulgarian_West
9.83195810 MD_South
10.40113455 Romanian
Target: talihna
Distance: 2.7812% / 2.78117187 | ADC: 0.25x
46.4 Macedonian
26.8 Dargin
20.4 MD_Gagauz
6.0 Bavarian_German
0.4 Korean
I chose a set of references (Mesopotamian + Levantine for Karaite and Balkan Turks + Greeks for Tatar) and subtracted 50% MENA ancestry. What remained came out like I anticipated!
So you're suggesting Karaites were pretty much unmixed Babylonian Jews?
Fedora
10-13-2020, 01:53 PM
She scores good amount of north Euro and other caucasoid components. But she looks more Asian influenced in that photo. Tatars have diverse looks. They have mainly Turanid-Uralid-Volgid and Baltic-Nordic types. Even sometimes dinarid and Pontid.
Well, some of them look like this:p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbim5yZ-83k
Bender1999
10-13-2020, 02:57 PM
A Kurd from Ağrı, very high European, it seems this person has distant Turkish/Azerbaijani ancestors too:
Gedrosia: 22.84 Pct
Siberian: 2.29 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 0.80 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 6.35 Pct
North_European: 9.80 Pct
South_Asian: 2.40 Pct
East_African: 0.88 Pct
Southwest_Asian: 14.10 Pct
East_Asian: -
Caucasus: 40.54 Pct
Sub_Saharan:-
Noble Cuman
10-13-2020, 03:54 PM
Bashkirs
1 North_European 28.67
2 Siberian 24.1
3 East_Asian 15.31
4 Caucasus 9.21
5 Atlantic_Med 9.13
6 Gedrosia 9.11
7 Southeast_Asian 2.07
8 South_Asian 1.78
9 Southwest_Asian 0.62
Bashkir 2
1 North_European 26.75
2 Siberian 24.3
3 East_Asian 12.5
4 Gedrosia 11.39
5 Atlantic_Med 9.91
6 Caucasus 8.25
7 Southeast_Asian 4.63
8 South_Asian 1.97
9 East_African 0.3
Bashkir 3
1 North_European 27.83
2 Siberian 26.5
3 East_Asian 16.54
4 Gedrosia 11.23
5 Atlantic_Med 8.74
6 Caucasus 7.93
7 South_Asian 0.99
8 East_African 0.24
I found them here https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?245352-Random-GEDmatch-kits/page15
Turk from Adana:
Gedrosian: 17.10
Siberian: 5.69
Northwest_African: 3.03
Southeast_Asian: 1.45
Atlantic_Med: 11.85
North_European: 8.74
South_Asian: 0.00
East_African: 0.50
Southwest_Asian: 11.79
East_Asian: 5.31
Caucasian: 36.60
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: Turk_Adana
4.61159408 Turk_South
5.42775276 Turk_Anatolia
5.72953750 Turk_Central_West
5.93783631 Turk_Southwest
6.32822250 Turk_Southeast
6.56268238 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
6.66557574 Yoruk
6.88250681 Turk_Central_East
7.48805048 Turk_West_BlackSea
8.01487991 Azerbaijani
8.13699576 Turk_Northwest
8.64350045 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.19584689 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.48225588 Turkmen_Iraq
12.17061215 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.96518415 Turk_East
13.18070560 Zaza
13.36423586 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.50378836 Kurd_Sorani
14.57955075 Talysh_Azerbaijan
14.79093979 Turkmen_Iran
14.83008766 Iran_Khorasan
14.85639593 Udi_Azerbaijan
15.45570768 Iranian_Fars
15.53297782 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
Target: Turk_Adana
Distance: 2.3461% / 2.34609718 | ADC: 0.25x
33.4 Yoruk
27.0 Turkmen_Iraq
18.4 Turk_South
17.8 Turk_Southwest
2.6 Algerian
Is Adana a popular and influential province in Turkey? I often see it being mentioned.
Ritz06
10-13-2020, 05:21 PM
Why do I have only 0.1 siberien compared to 3.91 east asian?
1 North_European 29.09
2 Caucasus 23.76
3 Atlantic_Med 21.42
4 Gedrosia 15.28
5 Southwest_Asian 5.23
6 East_Asian 3.91
7 South_Asian 1.19
8 Siberian 0.1
Bender1999
10-13-2020, 05:34 PM
Is Adana a popular and influential province in Turkey? I often see it being mentioned.
Yes, big city, nice cuisine very fertile place. Had a turbulent history since 1900. Regarding genetics i would expect from some places east eurasian with around 20%, the most asian looking Turks(who literally look like unmixed Central Asians) i have seen come from there.
Bender1999
10-13-2020, 05:35 PM
Is Adana a popular and influential province in Turkey? I often see it being mentioned.
Yes, big city, nice cuisine very fertile place. Had a turbulent history since 1900. Regarding genetics i would expect from some places east eurasian with around 20%, the most asian looking Turks(who literally look like unmixed Central Asians) i have seen come from there.
Yes, big city, nice cuisine very fertile place. Had a turbulent history since 1900. Regarding genetics i would expect from some places east eurasian with around 20%, the most asian looking Turks(who literally look like unmixed Central Asians) i have seen come from there.
I see.
According to Balanovsky et al Adana is only like 7-8% Mongoloid.
Dr_Maul
10-13-2020, 05:55 PM
Why do I have only 0.1 siberien compared to 3.91 east asian?
For the same reason I get 1-4% Siberian with 0% East Asian ;)
Why do I have only 0.1 siberien compared to 3.91 east asian?
1 North_European 29.09
2 Caucasus 23.76
3 Atlantic_Med 21.42
4 Gedrosia 15.28
5 Southwest_Asian 5.23
6 East_Asian 3.91
7 South_Asian 1.19
8 Siberian 0.1
Maybe you can post your Iranian and Middle Eastern matches here?
Bender1999
10-13-2020, 05:56 PM
I see.
According to Balanovsky et al Adana is only like 7-8% Mongoloid.
For average that could be right, but for example the Kozan district is full of Yörüks. Adanas eastern neighbor provinces seem to be a local hotspot for high east eurasian what i have seen.
Fedora
10-13-2020, 06:17 PM
Is Adana a popular and influential province in Turkey? I often see it being mentioned.
It's one of the most fertile places in the world, part of the ancient fertile crescent. 30% of turkish agriculture is from that region. It's also flat land which is not that common in Turkey. There is also the Harran plain in Urfa, which has become even more fertile through dam buildings.
Ritz06
10-13-2020, 06:52 PM
Maybe you can post your Iranian and Middle Eastern matches here?
from gedmatch or myheritage?
from gedmatch or myheritage?
Ged and speifically Dodecad K12b as the title says. You don't have to click Oracle, just the components because we use Vahaduo.
Ritz06
10-13-2020, 06:59 PM
Ged and speifically Dodecad K12b as the title says. You don't have to click Oracle, just the components because we use Vahaduo.
okey, here is one:
Population
Gedrosia 22.87 Pct
Siberian 2.52 Pct
Northwest_African 0.23 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 8.26 Pct
North_European 9.25 Pct
South_Asian 4.79 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.99 Pct
East_Asian 1.94 Pct
Caucasus 38.15 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
okey, here is one:
Looks Azerbaijani or half Az.
Ritz06
10-13-2020, 07:09 PM
Looks Azerbaijani or half Az.
True, but from Iran. He has iranian first- and last name
So you're suggesting Karaites were pretty much unmixed Babylonian Jews?
Not suggesting anything; they simply cluster with other west Asian Jews.
New Syrian averages (N=41)
Syrian_A
S2,11.38,0,5.28,0.73,15.21,4.35,1.31,3.45,18.96,0, 38.84,0.48
S4,10.27,0,3.12,1.18,14.04,2.62,2.15,3.17,22.35,0. 24,39.47,1.39
S5,10.31,0.34,3.65,0,17.11,2.47,1.35,3.93,20.36,1. 14,36.27,3.07
S6,10.43,0.62,5.28,0.24,12.94,3.72,2.53,3.78,20.07 ,0,38.29,2.09
S7,12.58,0.87,4.61,0,13.04,2.91,2.12,1.24,19.40,0. 33,40.28,2.62
S8,11.14,1.24,3.15,0,17.28,3.37,0,1.66,19.98,0.16, 41.46,0.57
S9,12.47,0,3.80,0,16.34,4.01,0.57,2.06,19.54,0.85, 40.36,0
S10,12.45,0,3.78,0,15.44,3.46,1.31,1.97,20.07,0.36 ,40.88,0.28
S11,13.34,0,3.40,0,11.39,3.42,0.14,2.21,22.00,0,44 .07,0
S12,12.87,0.18,3.89,0,13.63,4.20,1.73,1.82,21.47,0 .07,40.12,0
S19,11.29,2.83,5.16,0.20,13.91,5.39,0.14,1.72,18.5 2,0.17,39.20,1.46
S21,13.34,0,5.83,0,15.56,3.11,0.58,3.09,19.95,0,38 .18,0.36
S22,11.14,1.24,3.15,0,17.28,3.37,0,1.66,19.98,0.16 ,41.16,0.57
S24,12.92,0,5.42,0.58,15.34,1.39,0.75,3.63,20.26,0 ,39.17,0.54
S25,11.44,0,3.58,0.27,14.96,2.77,1.35,2.34,22.21,0 ,40.92,0.16
S26,12.63,0,4.65,4.65,15.71,2.93,0,1.67,20.48,0.25 ,41.57,0
S27,10.82,0,4.66,0,14.87,3.46,0.67,5.66,20.18,0,37 .56,2.12
S28,12.02,0.55,3.89,0,13.61,3.71,1,2.30,22.93,0,39 .35,0.63
S29,13.17,0.14,4.35,0.46,12.47,4.69,0.22,2.15,22.7 2,0,39.05,0.59
S30,9.78,0.29,5.77,0,14.12,4.5,0.87,2.02,18.96,0.0 6,43.02,0.60
S31,13.34,0,5.83,0,15.56,3.11,0.58,3.09,19.95,0,38 .18,0.36
S32,10.99,0,5.63,0,13.16,3.19,0.22,2.71,21.26,0.35 ,41.27,1.23
S33,12.93,0.39,3.4,0,16.16,1.08,0,3.36,21.19,1.67, 38.13,1.68
S34,11.3,0,4.37,0.56,13.62,5.01,0,2.96,21.66,0,38. 77,1.76
S36,9.55,0.57,3.54,0,14.85,3.52,0.85,3.22,21.68,0. 97,41.25,0
S37,11.91,0,4.09,0,15.45,3.63,1.50,1.77,19.99,0,40 .54,1.13
S38,13.09,1.09,3.58,0,14.17,3.01,0.56,2.89,20.68,0 .18,39.65,1.11
S39,11.70,0.72,4.82,0,13.24,3.19,0.29,2.87,22.89,0 .6,38.93,0.75
S40,12.82,0,2.37,0.33,16.03,2.37,0.89,1.51,22.22,0 ,40.28,1.18
S41,11.14,1.24,3.15,0,17.28,3.37,0,1.66,19.98,0.16 ,41.46,0.57
Avg: Syrian_A,11.928,0.397,4.112,0.299,14.76,3.51,0.809 ,2.5,20.41,0.249,40.276,0.839
Syrian_B
S13,14.68,0,2.6,0,13.19,3.77,1.58,3.49,19.87,0.75, 39.34,0.74
S14,15.58,0,5.19,0.61,11.85,4.19,1.31,3.1,17.8,0.3 1,39.48,0.57
S15,16.05,0.21,2.62,0,15.16,6.38,0.64,2.45,17.29,1 .48,36.21,1.53
S16,16.23,0,2.65,0,14.82,5.74,1.09,1.46,18.1,2.5,3 4.96,2.45
S17,16.02,0.41,4.11,0,14.65,4.06,1.33,1.22,16.79,2 .69,37.34,1.37
S18,15.39,1.44,3.98,0.6,12.87,4.69,1.93,1.78,16.54 ,0,39.8,1.44
S20,15.58,0,5.19,0.61,11.85,4.19,1.31,3.10,17.80,0 .31,39.48,0.57
Avg: Syrian_B,15.64,0.29,3.76,0.26,13.48,4.71,1.31,2.37 ,17.74,1.14,38.08,1.22
Syrian_C
S1,11.46,0.26,4.55,0,15.48,2.34,1.87,4.76,22.33,0. 55,35.86,0.53
S3,12.44,0,5.83,0.69,13.20,2.56,0.35,4.17,22.61,0. 65,37.07,0.41
S23,11.19,0.07,7.97,0,13.34,3.01,1.25,4.34,20.48,0 ,37.50,0.85
S35,10.60,0.58,5.89,0,13.81,2.05,0,4,26.36,0.06,34 .50,2.14
Avg: Syrian_C,11.42,0.22,6.06,0.17,14,2.5,0.86,4.31,22. 94,0.31,36.23,0.98
@Amon, what's the difference between those Syrian groups?
@Amon, what's the difference between those Syrian groups?
Syrian A cluster close to Lebanese Muslims; Syrian B are mixed with Turkish, Kurdish etc.; Syrian C have higher Beduoin ancestry.
Abriekman
10-14-2020, 09:08 AM
Syrian A cluster close to Lebanese Muslims; Syrian B are mixed with Turkish, Kurdish etc.; Syrian C have higher Beduoin ancestry.
Are Assyrians Semites or close to Kurds and Turks? I am always getting Assyrian on G25 calculators, that is really Sephardic. I want to know if it is common for Jews to get Assyrian
Syrian A cluster close to Lebanese Muslims; Syrian B are mixed with Turkish, Kurdish etc.; Syrian C have higher Beduoin ancestry.
Okay, though Syrian_C has a low sample size. Round the values to two decimal places and submit them here
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?310130-NEW!-All-Gedmatch-calculators-on-Vahaduo-ON-LINE/page211
Are Assyrians Semites or close to Kurds and Turks? I am always getting Assyrian on G25 calculators, that is really Sephardic. I want to know if it is common for Jews to get Assyrian
They are Semites. Mesopotamians to be exact.
Bender1999
10-14-2020, 05:22 PM
A Turk, if I am not wrong father from western Turkey(Denizli?) mother Turkish Cypriot+ Afyon
Gedrosia: 11.49 Pct
Siberian: 2.97 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 17.58 Pct
North_European: 13.93 Pct
South_Asian: 2.20 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 11.63 Pct
East_Asian: 2.09 Pct
Caucasus: 35.97 Pct
Sub_Saharan : -
A Turk, if I am not wrong father from western Turkey(Denizli?) mother Turkish Cypriot+ Afyon
Gedrosia: 11.49 Pct
Siberian: 2.97 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 17.58 Pct
North_European: 13.93 Pct
South_Asian: 2.20 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 11.63 Pct
East_Asian: 2.09 Pct
Caucasus: 35.97 Pct
Sub_Saharan : -
He is very European by Turkish standards. You highlighted the Mongoloid while the European part is much more remarkable in this case. Atlantic Med + North European = 31%.
A Turk, if I am not wrong father from western Turkey(Denizli?) mother Turkish Cypriot+ Afyon
Gedrosia: 11.49 Pct
Siberian: 2.97 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 17.58 Pct
North_European: 13.93 Pct
South_Asian: 2.20 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 11.63 Pct
East_Asian: 2.09 Pct
Caucasus: 35.97 Pct
Sub_Saharan : -
He is very European by Turkish standards. You highlighted the Mongoloid while the European part is much more remarkable in this case. Atlantic Med + North European = 31%.
Bender1999
10-14-2020, 05:37 PM
He is very European by Turkish standards. You highlighted the Mongoloid while the European part is much more remarkable in this case. Atlantic Med + North European = 31%.
Yes the European is very high, i was thinking about whether he has Balkan Turkish roots. But idk, so it is just an assumption.
Edit: also remarkable that this person has not any Africa(Ssa, East/Nw) considering that the perso has Cypriot ancestry.
Yes the European is very high, i was thinking about whether he has Balkan Turkish roots. But idk, so it is just an assumption.
Edit: also remarkable that this person has not any Africa(Ssa, East/Nw) considering that the perso has Cypriot ancestry.
Afrian admixture is really that prevalent in Cyprus? Why did the Ottomans bring Sudanese to the island?
Dr_Maul
10-14-2020, 05:50 PM
Afrian admixture is really that prevalent in Cyprus? Why did the Ottomans bring Sudanese to the island?
IDk about SSA but almost all Cypriot results I've seen have a lot of North African
Kaspias
10-14-2020, 05:56 PM
A Turk, if I am not wrong father from western Turkey(Denizli?) mother Turkish Cypriot+ Afyon
Gedrosia: 11.49 Pct
Siberian: 2.97 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 17.58 Pct
North_European: 13.93 Pct
South_Asian: 2.20 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 11.63 Pct
East_Asian: 2.09 Pct
Caucasus: 35.97 Pct
Sub_Saharan : -
This guy is half Balkan Turk from Kastoria if I recall correctly
Bender1999
10-14-2020, 07:36 PM
Afrian admixture is really that prevalent in Cyprus? Why did the Ottomans bring Sudanese to the island?
What i saw is that at least every Cypriot has visible North Africa(3-5%), Ssa varies from person to person, same amount like North African. But the highest Ssa had a Turk in my knowledge. But i don’t know why especially Cyprus were a place where Ottomans settled Africans, maybe because agriculture? The question is why most lf them don’t show any east eurasian. For example Ahiska Turks never mentioned in Ottoman archives(at least regarding their origin), but it is well documented that Taurus Yörüks were settled to Cyprus.
What i saw is that at least every Cypriot has visible North Africa(3-5%), Ssa varies from person to person, same amount like North African. But the highest Ssa had a Turk in my knowledge. But i don’t know why especially Cyprus were a place where Ottomans settled Africans, maybe because agriculture? The question is why most lf them don’t show any east eurasian. For example Ahiska Turks never mentioned in Ottoman archives(at least regarding their origin), but it is well documented that Taurus Yörüks were settled to Cyprus.
The Greek Cypriots are the true Cypriots, the Turks are much more recent migrants in Cyprus as far as I know.
Greek_Cypriot,8.86,0.14,3.25,0.13,20.88,3.81,0.33, 0.37,18.23,0.26,43.72,0
They are heavily Levantine.
Bender1999
10-14-2020, 08:06 PM
Turk, it seems that this Person has roots from Balkan. Also i noticed that they often have high NW-African.
Gedrosia: 3.71
Siberian: -
Northwest_African: 4.75
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 24.14 Pct
North_European: 21.06 Pct
South_Asian: -
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 9.09 Pct
East_Asian: 2.32 Pct
Caucasus: 34.64 Pct
Sub_Saharan : -
Noble Cuman
10-14-2020, 08:08 PM
Turkish Cypriot-Larnaca
Dodecad K12b Oracle results
Kit H561858
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 42.6
2 Atlantic_Med 18.41
3 Southwest_Asian 16.56
4 Gedrosia 9.42
5 North_European 6.48
6 Northwest_African 4.21
7 East_African 1.15
8 East_Asian 0.84
9 Sub_Saharan 0.33
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Cypriots (Behar) 7.83
2 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 9.45
3 Lebanese (Behar) 9.72
4 Turkish (Dodecad) 11.19
5 Druze (HGDP) 11.66
6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 11.81
7 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 12.36
8 Turks (Behar) 12.89
9 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 13.02
10 Syrians (Behar) 14.1
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 14.12
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 14.55
13 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 15.02
14 Jordanians (Behar) 15.22
15 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 15.76
16 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 15.77
17 Assyrian (Dodecad) 15.96
18 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 16.19
19 Armenian (Dodecad) 16.56
20 Palestinian (HGDP) 17.31
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 37% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.18
2 58.6% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 41.4% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.21
3 59.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 40.2% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.35
4 54.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 45.5% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.42
5 57.4% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 42.6% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.5
6 56.3% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 43.7% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.81
7 52.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 47.9% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.85
8 56.6% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 43.4% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 2.89
9 57% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 43% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.91
10 62.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 37.8% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.01
11 69.1% Druze (HGDP) + 30.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.12
12 66% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 34% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 3.15
13 64.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 35.9% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.17
14 55.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 44.6% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 3.18
15 63.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 36.2% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 3.24
16 52.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 47.9% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 3.25
17 55% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 45% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 3.27
18 75% Druze (HGDP) + 25% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.34
19 58% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 42% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 3.36
20 57.9% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 42.1% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 3.42
30 Turkish Cypriot kits
TC1,8.68,1.40,4.21,1.45,20.68,3.84,0,2.11,15.77,1. 12,40.72,0
TC2,8.32,0,2.49,0,18.77,18.1,0.38,1.56,11.99,2.84, 35.56,0
TC3,9.03,0,4.14,0.4,18.89,8,0.05,0.73,15.52,2.21,4 1.02,0
TC4,9.80,1.36,3.42,0,19.56,4.11,0,3.51,16.50,0.82, 39.76,1.16
TC5,8.41,0,3.46,0.32,19.06,7.82,1.65,4.38,17.82,0, 34.57,2.48
TC6,12.06,3.68,2.20,1.58,16.98,10.17,1.88,1.37,13. 10,0.37,35.86,0.77
TC7,8.70,0,4.43,0,19.64,6.81,0,1.72,19.43,1.24,38. 03,0
TC8,9.14,0.78,2.13,0,20.99,5.83,0,0.86,16.83,0.22, 43.23,0
TC9,10.01,0.08,2.85,0,20.90,5.03,0.42,0.48,18.07,1 .77,40.29,0.11
TC10,9.45,1.44,3.18,0,12.87,4.62,0.55,3.51,15.78,2 .73,43.13,2.73
TC11,11.67,1.63,0.88,0.29,17.18,7.13,0.67,1.30,14. 76,1.74,40.68,2.07
TC12,10.64,0,3.16,0,19.34,6.92,0.84,1.12,16.05,0.1 1,41.83,0
TC13,9.01,1.41,3.89,0,20.62,7.39,0.30,0.66,13.29,1 .35,42.07,0
TC14,6.33,0,1.73,0.16,16.85,8.06,0,2.12,14.79,1.95 ,43.86,4.14
TC15,9.46,0,2.35,0,21.93,6.81,0,0.90,14.87,0,43.68 ,0
TC16,7.12,0,3.81,0.75,18.35,4.9,0,2.41,17.91,0,44. 50,0.24
TC17,7.81,1.09,2.86,0.57,21.60,7.41,0.38,0.45,15.0 5,1.75,41.03,0
TC18,8.87,0,5.78,0,18.88,4.72,0.90,1.72,17.08,0,41 .59,0.45
TC19,9.94,0,2.60,0.38,15.86,5.55,0.34,6.01,14.54,0 .36,35.65,8.78
TC20,7.8,0.86,4,0,18.67,8.2,0,1.25,16.7,1.64,40.5, 0.28
TC21,3.83,0.34,1.49,0,21.23,6.72,0.57,0,14.42,0.96 ,47.69,2.75
TC22,6.33,0,1.73,0.16,16.85,8.06,0,2.12,14.79,1.95 ,43.86,4.14
TC23,9.12,0,1.48,0,21.22,4.89 ,1.69,3.15,16.96,1.59,38.43,1.47
TC24,8.41,0,3.46,0.32,19.06,7.82,1.65,0,17.82,0.05 ,34.57,2.48
TC25,7.56,0.81,4.00,1.23,21.14,6.30,0,2.83,16.85,0 ,38.22,1.04
TC26,7.83,0.86,4.12,0,18.57,8.18,0,1.25,16.77,1.64 ,40.5,0.28
TC27,11.69,0.25,1.40,0.26,13.55,16.02,1.23,1.60,13 .21,3.93,36.85,0
TC28,7.3,1.02,2.66,0.2,19.44,8.04,0,2.16,14.88,0.3 ,42.75,1.25
TC29,9.2,0.5,3.94,0.31,20.49,6.45,0.54,0.56,15.76, 0,42.25,0
T30,9.42,0,4.21,0,18.41,6.48,0,1.15,16.56,0.84,42. 6,0.33
Avg: Turk_Cyprus,8.76,0.58,3.06,0.28,18.92,7.35,0.47,1. 77,15.8,1.12,40.51,1.23
45 different kits - Eurogenes K13 (sourced from Anthrogenica)
https://i.ibb.co/2gRvyfY/20201012-205543.png
Avg: Turk_Cyprus,8.61,6.323,17.834,20.461,33.956,6.322, 1.134,1.481,1.167,0.375,0.027,1.577,0.731
Distance to: Turk_Cyprus
5.37716989 Greek_Chios
5.52474036 Greek_Dodecanese
7.47811447 Greek_Crete
8.41830007 Greek_North_Aegean
8.60392910 Greek_Symi_Island
Target: Turk_Cyprus
Distance: 1.1855% / 1.18549640 | ADC: 0.25x
28.6 Greek_Dodecanese
19.8 Greek_Crete
16.0 Greek_Cypriot
12.6 Turk_North_West
10.6 Greek_Cappadocian
7.0 Jordanian
3.2 Syrian
1.4 Turk_Central_East
0.4 Hadza
0.2 Dai
0.2 Sandawe
Target: Turk_Cyprus
Distance: 0.9260% / 0.92601470
35.6 Greek_Cypriot
20.4 Greek_Central_Macedonia
17.0 Turk_South
9.2 Samaritan
8.2 Greek_Trabzon
8.0 IT_Calabria
1.6 Hadza
Calabrian ancestry can be split into -
Target: IT_Calabria
Distance: 0.9564% / 0.95635426
51.2 IT_Marche
48.8 Greek_Cypriot
0.0 IT_Veneto
Hence, Turkish Cypriots are half native Cypriot (Greek Cypriot + Samaritan), 25% Turkish+additional Anatolian, 20% Greek mainlander, 4% Latin (from Venetian times perhaps) and 2% African.
Avg for Dodecad K12b: Turk_Cyprus,8.76,0.58,3.06,0.28,18.92,7.35,0.47,1. 77,15.8,1.12,40.51,1.23
Distance to: Turk_Cyprus
5.81731038 Greek_Kos
7.98369589 Nusayri_Turkey
8.13006150 Syrian_A
8.33311466 Greek_Crete
8.50640935 Lebanese_Muslim
8.72275759 Greek_Cappadocia
Target: Turk_Cyprus
Distance: 1.0004% / 1.00038159 | ADC: 0.25x
52.0 Greek_Kos
28.4 Syrian_A
11.6 Cypriots
6.0 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
0.8 Sandawe_He
0.6 LWK30
0.4 Egyptans
0.2 Naga
Distance to: Turk_Cyprus
That's the wrong Cypriot average ("Cypriots"), here's with the correct one
Distance to: Turk_Cyprus
5.81731038 Greek_Kos
6.08904754 Greek_Cypriot
7.98369589 Nusayri_Turkey
8.13006150 Syrian_A
8.33311466 Greek_Crete
Target: Turk_Cyprus
Distance: 2.2131% / 2.21312395 | ADC: 0.5x
55.8 Greek_Kos
31.6 Syrian_A
9.6 Greek_Cypriot
3.0 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
Target: Turk_Cyprus
Distance: 1.0872% / 1.08715821 | ADC: 0.25x
43.4 Greek_Kos
29.2 Greek_Cypriot
17.8 Syrian_A
4.2 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
2.8 Nogai
1.2 Egyptans
0.8 Sandawe_He
0.6 LWK30
Noble Cuman
10-15-2020, 01:00 PM
Turkish Cypriot 2-Larnaca
Dodecad K12b Oracle results:
Kit H763496
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 34.57
2 Atlantic_Med 19.06
3 Southwest_Asian 17.82
4 Gedrosia 8.41
5 North_European 7.82
6 East_African 4.38
7 Northwest_African 3.46
8 Sub_Saharan 2.48
9 South_Asian 1.65
10 Southeast_Asian 0.32
11 East_Asian 0.05
Bender1999
10-15-2020, 04:13 PM
Maybe already posted here, but i want to show it. A Xiongnu, who lived 2200 years ago in Khövsgöl(Mongolia). It is even more eastern than Altai mountains:
Gedrosia: 17.64 Pct
Siberian: 21.45 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 2.01 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 4.92 Pct
North_European: 26.72 Pct
South_Asian: 2.57 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: -
East_Asian: 23.34 Pct
Caucasus: -
Sub_Saharan : 1.35 Pct
Dr_Maul
10-15-2020, 04:24 PM
Maybe already posted here, but i want to show it. A Xiongnu, who lived 2200 years ago in Khövsgöl(Mongolia). It is even more eatern than Altai mountains:
Gedrosia: 17.64 Pct
Siberian: 21.45 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 2.01 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 4.92 Pct
North_European: 26.72 Pct
South_Asian: 2.57 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: -
East_Asian: 23.34 Pct
Caucasus: -
Sub_Saharan : 1.35 Pct
Interesting he has decent East Asian, I thought the Siberian would be higher compared to it. Tatar-like
Nogai Astrakhan (N=5)
NA1,9.31,19.1,0,3.21,8.91,23.1,0.35,0,1.77,23.01,1 1.22,0
NA2,9.76,19.88,0,0.18,10.08,24.47,2.63,0.13,1.43,1 9.97,11.43,0
NA3,10.53,24.9,0,4.49,4.06,14.25,3.51,0,2.23,28.78 ,7.24,0
NA4,12.2,24.74,0,5.21,3.45,12.31,4.47,0,1.18,26.87 ,9.57,0
NA5,10.34,21.97,0.22,2.67,8.72,21.68,2.38,0,0.45,2 0.93,10.64,0
Avg: Nogai_Astrakhan,10.43,22.12,0.04,3.15,7.04,19.16,2 .67,0.03,1.41,23.91,10.02,0
Distance to: Nogai_Astrakhan
4.88787234 Karakalpak
11.17642054 Kazakh
11.76819510 Uzbeks
14.28094521 Uyghur
14.33266256 Bashkir
Target: Nogai_Astrakhan
Distance: 0.9360% / 0.93601260 | ADC: 0.25x
77.6 Karakalpak
19.2 Bashkir
1.8 Spanish_Basque
1.0 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.2 Selkup
0.2 Spanish_Asturias
Bender1999
10-15-2020, 05:23 PM
Hun or Xiongnu who lived 1600 years ago, Tianshan(Kyrgyzstan). Y-Dna E-V22
Gedrosia: 15.90 Pct
Siberian: 16.49 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 1.49 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 10.74 Pct
North_European: 27.41 Pct
South_Asian: 3.02 Pct
East_African: 0.28 Pct
Southwest_Asian: -
East_Asian: 14.16 Pct
Caucasus: 6.09 Pct
Sub_Saharan : 4.42 Pct
Avg: Nogai_Astrakhan,10.43,22.12,0.04,3.15,7.04,19.16,2 .67,0.03,1.41,23.91,10.02,0
Distance to: Nogai_Astrakhan
4.88787234 Karakalpak
11.17642054 Kazakh
11.76819510 Uzbeks
14.28094521 Uyghur
14.33266256 Bashkir
Target: Nogai_Astrakhan
Distance: 0.9360% / 0.93601260 | ADC: 0.25x
77.6 Karakalpak
19.2 Bashkir
1.8 Spanish_Basque
1.0 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.2 Selkup
0.2 Spanish_Asturias
Interesting. Very high Mongoloid, close to 50%. You need to submit the average to Lukasz, I cannot do it for you everytime ;)
I wonder how much Mongoloid Astrakhan Tatars are. I doubt they are over 30% on average.
Noble Cuman
10-15-2020, 05:46 PM
Crimean Tatar-Thessaloniki(Langadas) Turk.
Dodecad K12b Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 28.96
2 North_European 26.44
3 Atlantic_Med 19.25
4 Gedrosia 9.73
5 Southwest_Asian 6.38
6 East_Asian 6.31
7 Siberian 2.46
8 South_Asian 0.31
9 Sub_Saharan 0.17
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 12.43
2 Romanians (Behar) 13.61
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 13.67
4 Greek (Dodecad) 15.83
5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 16.1
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 19.28
7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 19.76
8 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 20.44
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 20.45
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 20.67
11 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 20.73
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 20.94
13 TSI30 (Metspalu) 21.07
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 22.78
15 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.38
16 Turks (Behar) 24.81
17 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 24.87
18 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 25.3
19 North_Italian (HGDP) 25.56
20 Hungarians (Behar) 25.77
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 32.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.16
2 69.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 30.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.61
3 67.7% Romanians (Behar) + 32.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.88
4 63.6% Turkish (Dodecad) + 36.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 5.02
5 78.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.3% Hazara (HGDP) @ 5.23
6 62.2% Turks (Behar) + 37.8% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 5.3
7 63.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 36.1% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 5.32
8 55.3% Turks (Behar) + 44.7% German (Dodecad) @ 5.38
9 62.5% Turks (Behar) + 37.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 5.39
10 74.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 25.4% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 5.57
11 51% Turks (Behar) + 49% Hungarians (Behar) @ 5.61
12 56.8% Turkish (Dodecad) + 43.2% German (Dodecad) @ 5.64
13 78.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.8% Uygur (HGDP) @ 5.77
14 52.6% Turkish (Dodecad) + 47.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 5.78
15 70.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 29.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.98
16 77.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 22.7% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.06
17 72.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 27.2% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.31
18 73.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 26.5% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.45
19 76.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 23.4% Uygur (HGDP) @ 6.59
20 57.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 42.8% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 6.65
Noble Cuman
10-15-2020, 05:46 PM
Crimean Tatar-Thessaloniki(Langadas) Turk.
Dodecad K12b Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 28.96
2 North_European 26.44
3 Atlantic_Med 19.25
4 Gedrosia 9.73
5 Southwest_Asian 6.38
6 East_Asian 6.31
7 Siberian 2.46
8 South_Asian 0.31
9 Sub_Saharan 0.17
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 12.43
2 Romanians (Behar) 13.61
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 13.67
4 Greek (Dodecad) 15.83
5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 16.1
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 19.28
7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 19.76
8 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 20.44
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 20.45
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 20.67
11 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 20.73
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 20.94
13 TSI30 (Metspalu) 21.07
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 22.78
15 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.38
16 Turks (Behar) 24.81
17 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 24.87
18 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 25.3
19 North_Italian (HGDP) 25.56
20 Hungarians (Behar) 25.77
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 32.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.16
2 69.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 30.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.61
3 67.7% Romanians (Behar) + 32.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.88
4 63.6% Turkish (Dodecad) + 36.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 5.02
5 78.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.3% Hazara (HGDP) @ 5.23
6 62.2% Turks (Behar) + 37.8% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 5.3
7 63.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 36.1% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 5.32
8 55.3% Turks (Behar) + 44.7% German (Dodecad) @ 5.38
9 62.5% Turks (Behar) + 37.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 5.39
10 74.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 25.4% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 5.57
11 51% Turks (Behar) + 49% Hungarians (Behar) @ 5.61
12 56.8% Turkish (Dodecad) + 43.2% German (Dodecad) @ 5.64
13 78.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.8% Uygur (HGDP) @ 5.77
14 52.6% Turkish (Dodecad) + 47.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 5.78
15 70.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 29.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.98
16 77.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 22.7% Hazara (HGDP) @ 6.06
17 72.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 27.2% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 6.31
18 73.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 26.5% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 6.45
19 76.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 23.4% Uygur (HGDP) @ 6.59
20 57.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 42.8% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 6.65
Interesting. Very high Mongoloid, close to 50%. You need to submit the average to Lukasz, I cannot do it for you everytime ;)
I wonder how much Mongoloid Astrakhan Tatars are. I doubt they are over 30% on average.
Sure, I'll submit them myself henceforth.
These are ASTRAKHAN Nogais!
Other Nogai averages
Nogai_Dagestan,14.55666667,11.41666667,0.2,0.1,6.9 26666667,23.39,1.17,0,3.486666667,14.69333333,24.0 4666667,0
Nogai_Stavropol,13.144,11.922,0.01,1.224,7.594,21. 61,1.42,0,2.334,15.274,25.446,0
Nogai_Crimea,12.002,13.188,0.29,2.07,7.078,18.25,0 .976,0.172,3.066,18.824,24.058,0.026
N=3, 5, 5 respectively.
Yeah, but Nogai and Tatar are different things. In Astrakhan the majority of local Turkics identify as Tatars.
Yeah, but Nogai and Tatar are different things. In Astrakhan the majority of local Turkics identify as Tatars.
My bad! Yeah, IMO they'll cluster somewhere close to Lipkas but with a pull towards Astrakhan Nogai.
Other Nogai averages
Nogai_Dagestan,14.55666667,11.41666667,0.2,0.1,6.9 26666667,23.39,1.17,0,3.486666667,14.69333333,24.0 4666667,0
Nogai_Stavropol,13.144,11.922,0.01,1.224,7.594,21. 61,1.42,0,2.334,15.274,25.446,0
Nogai_Crimea,12.002,13.188,0.29,2.07,7.078,18.25,0 .976,0.172,3.066,18.824,24.058,0.026
N=3, 5, 5 respectively.
Let's not add them for now. They aren't very important and the sample size is too small.
Let's not add them for now. They aren't very important and the sample size is too small.
I agree.
Hun or Xiongnu who lived 1600 years ago, Tianshan(Kyrgyzstan). Y-Dna E-V22
Gedrosia: 15.90 Pct
Siberian: 16.49 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 1.49 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 10.74 Pct
North_European: 27.41 Pct
South_Asian: 3.02 Pct
East_African: 0.28 Pct
Southwest_Asian: -
East_Asian: 14.16 Pct
Caucasus: 6.09 Pct
Sub_Saharan : 4.42 Pct
Do you think the Huns that invaded Europe in the 4-5th centuries were like that? The SSA is just sample contamination.
Bender1999
10-15-2020, 06:41 PM
Do you think the Huns that invaded Europe in the 4-5th centuries were like that. The SSA is just sample contamination.
That is really the lower limit, less would be mixed with Iranics/Ugrics. I don’t know whether they mixes with them before their invasion. This is a random finding, i miss samples from real hunnics. Maybe they were more like Bashkir/Uzbek mix. If they were really Turkic.
Noble Cuman
10-15-2020, 06:46 PM
Huns in Europe subjugated many Slavic, Germanic and Alanic tribes and more. They must be mixed with them. Especially Sarmatians remnants who had similar nomadic culture. But according to historical descriptions Attila had Asian-Turanid traits.
Two Iranian results, I think they are from Gilan (but not 100percent sure):
Gedrosian: 31.22
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 1.86
North_European: 5.72
South_Asian: 4.85
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.68
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 45.62
SSA: 0.05
Distance to: Iranshc
6.50756483 Iran_Mazandaran
7.60119727 Iranian
7.92550314 Kurd_KAZ
8.75090852 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.68324842 Lur_Iran
11.49238443 Zaza
12.27580955 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.63782418 Kurd_Sorani
12.86582294 Iranian_Fars
13.41519288 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.09410160 Azerbaijani_Iran
15.02522546 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
15.12277422 Turkmen_Iraq
15.37135648 Azerbaijani_Turkey
15.85559207 Azerbaijani
16.13706293 Turk_Ahiska
16.34940366 Iran_Khorasan
16.57836844 Turk_East
17.10459880 Georgian_mixed
17.46151769 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
17.93790679 Azeri_Jew
18.07028223 Armenian_East
18.26198784 Ingush
18.27100982 Mandean
18.49014332 Abkhazian
Target: Iranshc
Distance: 3.4024% / 3.40239987 | ADC: 0.25x
78.4 Iran_Mazandaran
18.2 Georgian_Turkey
3.4 Georgian_Mingrelian
Gedrosian: 29.58
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 4.14
North_European: 7.80
South_Asian: 4.51
East_African: 0.55
Southwest_Asian: 11.57
East_Asian: 0.50
Caucasian: 40.78
SSA: 0.57
Distance to: Nsha
3.60513523 Iran_Mazandaran
3.60898878 Iranian
5.32484742 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.49437895 Kurd_KAZ
6.03250363 Lur_Iran
7.62737176 Iranian_Fars
7.98748396 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.11825720 Zaza
8.21486458 Kurd_Sorani
9.76539298 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.03294612 Turkmen_Iraq
11.21452629 Iran_Khorasan
11.37317898 Azerbaijani
11.57103280 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.60839352 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.76495644 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.62731349 Turk_Southeast
14.70015986 Turk_East
15.98207433 Iraqi_Baghdad
16.32161144 Ingush
16.60316837 Lezgin
16.64954654 Mountain_Jew_Chechnya
16.66374508 Mandean
16.96137671 Azeri_Jew
16.97742913 Parsi_India
Target: Nsha
Distance: 1.1584% / 1.15836486 | ADC: 0.25x
64.8 Iran_Mazandaran
13.6 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.6 Kurd_KAZ
5.8 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.2 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
Bender1999
10-16-2020, 10:00 AM
Idk whether this calculator works well for them, but i found a Buddhist Mongolian(Golden Horde?) who lived 700 years ago. Y-Dna C-Y4541, found in Ulutau(Kazakhstan).
Gedrosia: -
Siberian: 51.67 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 0.13 Pct
North_European: 1.79 Pct
South_Asian: -
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: -
East_Asian: 44.95 Pct
Caucasus: 0.86 Pct
Sub_Saharan : 0.58 Pct
The next three are averages of Buryat(first), Mongolian/Khalkha(second) and Mongolians in China.
Gedrosia: 3.55 Pct
Siberian: 42.96 Pct
Northwest_African: 0.10 Pct
Southeast_Asian: 2.69 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 0.72 Pct
North_European: 5.49 Pct
South_Asian: 0.09 Pct
East_African: 0.02 Pct
Southwest_Asian: 0.25 Pct
East_Asian: 40.30 Pct
Caucasus: 3.82 Pct
Sub_Saharan :-
Gedrosia: 3.80 Pct
Siberian: 32.47 Pct
Northwest_African: 0.20 Pct
Southeast_Asian: 7.15Pct
Atlantic_Med: 1.64 Pct
North_European: 3.13 Pct
South_Asian: 0.68 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 0.15 Pct
East_Asian: 48.27 Pct
Caucasus: 2.51 Pct
Sub_Saharan : -
Gedrosia: 1.90 Pct
Siberian: 16.00 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 13.90 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 0.10 Pct
North_European: 1.80 Pct
South_Asian: -
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: -
East_Asian: 65.20 Pct
Caucasus: 1.10 Pct
Sub_Saharan : -
Noble Cuman
10-16-2020, 11:12 AM
Any Kalmuk results or kits?
Any Kalmuk results or kits?
I had some, don't know if they're still available. Also a family (half Kalmyk half Russian woman and her relatives).
Dr_Maul
10-16-2020, 12:43 PM
Mongolians in China
Wow, he is strongly Chinese shifted. Just compare 16 Siberian to the 30-50 for normal Mongols
Bender1999
10-16-2020, 12:58 PM
Wow, he is strongly Chinese shifted. Just compare 16 Siberian to the 30-50 for normal Mongols
I never would have thought that Mongolians would show genetic differences. I thought they are genetically very homogeneous.
I never would have thought that Mongolians would show genetic differences. I thought they are genetically very homogeneous.
Mongols in modern China are heavily Sinicized. They speak Chinese more often than Mongolian and intermix with Han very often. However if that's an average from Dodecad I wouldn't pay too much attention to it since many if not most original averages from Dodecad are terribly inaccurate.
Bender1999
10-16-2020, 03:22 PM
Turk from Bursa:
Gedrosian: 13.95 Pct
Siberian: 7.79 Pct
Northwest_African: 0.88 Pct
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 15.10 Pct
North_European: 12.51 Pct
South_Asian: 1.47 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 9.24 Pct
East_Asian: 7.08 Pct
Caucasian: 32.00 Pct
SSA: -
Kalmyk average (I like the German word Kalmücke better :cool:)
4.18
34.5
0.27
3.84
1.92
6.85
0.35
0
0.61
43.49
3.9
0
Some Kalmyks are less than 80% East Eurasian. I think they absorbed some Turkics on their way to what is now Kalmykia back in the 17th century.
Georgian father from Tbilisi, Russian mother from Penza oblast. His son is half Ukrainian from Kiev oblast
Gedrosia 11.35 Pct
Siberian 2.82 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.34 Pct
Atlantic_Med 13.18 Pct
North_European 33.81 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.85 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 33.65 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Using Georgia, Abkhazia, Laz, Russia and Ukraine only
Target: GT
Distance: 2.0788% / 2.07884340 | ADC: 0.25x
50.4 Ukrainian
49.6 Abkhazian
Target: GT
Distance: 1.2190% / 1.21900774
24.6 Georgian_Svan
21.2 Laz
20.0 Rus_Tver
11.0 Southwest_Rus
10.2 Rus_Pinega
9.6 Ukrainian
1.8 Georgian_mixed
1.6 Georgian_Adjara
Dr_Maul
10-16-2020, 07:48 PM
Siberian 2.82 Pct
Another brother with only Siberian and no East Asian, we must re-unite
New match from Turkey (wonder what her ancestry or mix is):
name is a bit greek sounding
Gedrosian: 12.08
Siberian: 0.24
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 19.46
North_European: 14.87
South_Asian: 0.00
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 9.75
East_Asian: 2.23
Caucasian: 41.37
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: YK
7.80477418 Greek_Crete
8.34566354 Greek_Izmir
8.79742008 Turk_West_BlackSea
9.04734215 Greek_Kos
10.02038422 Turk_Central_West
10.72539976 Turk_Anatolia
10.94138017 Turk_Central_East
11.09469242 Greek_Foca
11.56228351 Turk_Southwest
11.67095969 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
11.83095939 Greek_Cappadocia
11.91405053 Turk_Northwest
12.19201788 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.28302276 Italy_Apulia
12.56009156 Turk_South
12.77914708 MD_Jewish
12.87166630 Italy_Calabria
13.06712669 Ashkenazi_Jews
13.58594807 Italy_Sicily
13.58877279 Italy_Campania
13.87229253 Turk_Southeast
14.05628329 Turk_East
14.06073256 Greek_Central
14.08133516 Greek_Athens
14.40258851 Italy_Abruzzo
Target: YK
Distance: 2.5421% / 2.54208617 | ADC: 0.25x
59.2 Greek_Izmir
23.4 Karachay
11.0 Greek_Cappadocia
5.6 Udi_Azerbaijan
0.4 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
0.4 Turk_West_BlackSea
RatCat
10-16-2020, 08:13 PM
New match from Turkey (wonder what her ancestry or mix is):
name is a bit greek sounding
Gedrosian: 12.08
Siberian: 0.24
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 19.46
North_European: 14.87
South_Asian: 0.00
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 9.75
East_Asian: 2.23
Caucasian: 41.37
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: YK
7.80477418 Greek_Crete
8.34566354 Greek_Izmir
8.79742008 Turk_West_BlackSea
9.04734215 Greek_Kos
10.02038422 Turk_Central_West
10.72539976 Turk_Anatolia
10.94138017 Turk_Central_East
11.09469242 Greek_Foca
11.56228351 Turk_Southwest
11.67095969 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
11.83095939 Greek_Cappadocia
11.91405053 Turk_Northwest
12.19201788 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.28302276 Italy_Apulia
12.56009156 Turk_South
12.77914708 MD_Jewish
12.87166630 Italy_Calabria
13.06712669 Ashkenazi_Jews
13.58594807 Italy_Sicily
13.58877279 Italy_Campania
13.87229253 Turk_Southeast
14.05628329 Turk_East
14.06073256 Greek_Central
14.08133516 Greek_Athens
14.40258851 Italy_Abruzzo
Target: YK
Distance: 2.5421% / 2.54208617 | ADC: 0.25x
59.2 Greek_Izmir
23.4 Karachay
11.0 Greek_Cappadocia
5.6 Udi_Azerbaijan
0.4 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
0.4 Turk_West_BlackSea
Half Trabzon Turk + Half Balkan Turk ??
Target: *
Distance: 2.9419% / 2.94193846
50.4 Turk_East_Black_Sea
49.6 Turk_Makedonya
Target: *
Distance: 2.7576% / 2.75756534 | ADC: 0.25x
50.4 Turk_Makedonya
49.6 Greek_Pontus
Edit: He can be half greek pontus + half mainland greek too if the name is greek.
Target: ****
Distance: 2.9803% / 2.98025283
50.4 Greek_Pontus
32.8 Greek_Macedonia
16.8 Greek_Central
Lukasz is pretty quick to add Kaspias' updates while ignoring what I send him for days. That is unfair. Just a side note.
New match from Turkey (wonder what her ancestry or mix is):
name is a bit greek sounding
Looks heavily Greek.
Syrian
J2a2a2
J1c4b
Gedrosia 11.87 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 2.64 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.36 Pct
Atlantic_Med 16.82 Pct
North_European 5.17 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 3.32 Pct
Southwest_Asian 19.44 Pct
East_Asian 1.99 Pct
Caucasus 38.36 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Yussef
4.36076828 Syrian_A
4.46694526 Lebanese_Muslim
5.89291948 Syrian_B
6.04453472 Nusayri_Turkey
7.02524733 Syrian_C
8.23286099 Palestinian
8.76424555 Lebanese_Christian
9.29219027 Palestinian_Christian
9.74429064 Syria_SW_Christian
10.89727030 Greek_Kos
Target: Yussef
Distance: 1.7634% / 1.76341042 | ADC: 0.25x
86.0 Lebanese_Muslim
8.0 Italy_Campania
3.6 Italy_Tuscany
1.4 Korean
1.0 Ethiopian_Jews
Lebanese (I presume of Muslim background but not sure)
Gedrosia 13.77 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 4.81 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.15 Pct
Atlantic_Med 14.85 Pct
North_European 1.80 Pct
South_Asian 0.60 Pct
East_African 3.16 Pct
Southwest_Asian 21.22 Pct
East_Asian 0.15 Pct
Caucasus 38.96 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.52 Pct
Distance to: Lena's_mom
3.01542700 Lebanese_Muslim
3.15925624 Syrian_A
4.51496401 Syrian_C
5.52482579 Syrian_B
5.52877925 Nusayri_Turkey
5.64269439 Palestinian
6.57142298 Lebanese_Christian
7.31513500 Palestinian_Christian
7.38750296 Syria_SW_Christian
8.80519165 Iraqi_Jew
Target: Lena's_mom
Distance: 1.9446% / 1.94458316 | ADC: 0.5x
61.2 Lebanese_Muslim
33.6 Syrian_C
5.2 Mandean
Target: Lena's_mom
Distance: 1.3518% / 1.35175069 | ADC: 0.25x
48.6 Syrian_C
18.8 Lebanese_Muslim
16.2 Mandean
14.2 Nusayri_Turkey
1.2 Sardinian
1.0 Syrian_B
Dr_Maul
10-16-2020, 09:43 PM
Lukasz is pretty quick to add Kaspias' updates while ignoring what I send him for days. That is unfair. Just a side note.
Hasn't forgotten about 1939 I'd wager
Syrian
J2a2a2
J1c4b
Gedrosia 11.87 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 2.64 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.36 Pct
Atlantic_Med 16.82 Pct
North_European 5.17 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 3.32 Pct
Southwest_Asian 19.44 Pct
East_Asian 1.99 Pct
Caucasus 38.36 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Yussef
4.36076828 Syrian_A
4.46694526 Lebanese_Muslim
5.89291948 Syrian_B
6.04453472 Nusayri_Turkey
7.02524733 Syrian_C
8.23286099 Palestinian
8.76424555 Lebanese_Christian
9.29219027 Palestinian_Christian
9.74429064 Syria_SW_Christian
10.89727030 Greek_Kos
Target: Yussef
Distance: 1.7634% / 1.76341042 | ADC: 0.25x
86.0 Lebanese_Muslim
8.0 Italy_Campania
3.6 Italy_Tuscany
1.4 Korean
1.0 Ethiopian_Jews
Lebanese (I presume of Muslim background but not sure)
Gedrosia 13.77 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 4.81 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.15 Pct
Atlantic_Med 14.85 Pct
North_European 1.80 Pct
South_Asian 0.60 Pct
East_African 3.16 Pct
Southwest_Asian 21.22 Pct
East_Asian 0.15 Pct
Caucasus 38.96 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.52 Pct
Distance to: Lena's_mom
3.01542700 Lebanese_Muslim
3.15925624 Syrian_A
4.51496401 Syrian_C
5.52482579 Syrian_B
5.52877925 Nusayri_Turkey
5.64269439 Palestinian
6.57142298 Lebanese_Christian
7.31513500 Palestinian_Christian
7.38750296 Syria_SW_Christian
8.80519165 Iraqi_Jew
Target: Lena's_mom
Distance: 1.9446% / 1.94458316 | ADC: 0.5x
61.2 Lebanese_Muslim
33.6 Syrian_C
5.2 Mandean
Target: Lena's_mom
Distance: 1.3518% / 1.35175069 | ADC: 0.25x
48.6 Syrian_C
18.8 Lebanese_Muslim
16.2 Mandean
14.2 Nusayri_Turkey
1.2 Sardinian
1.0 Syrian_B
We need more Syrians, Lebanese, Jordanians to be posted here and less Uzbeks, Mongolians and whatnot. The Syrian guy is interesting the high Atlantic_Med and North European together with his non-noise level East Asian makes me think that his Anatolian Turkish side must be from southern Turkey.
We need more Syrians, Lebanese, Jordanians to be posted here and less Uzbeks, Mongolians and whatnot. The Syrian guy is interesting the high Atlantic_Med and North European together with his non-noise level East Asian makes me think that his Anatolian Turkish side must be from southern Turkey.
Yes but Uzbeks and Mongolians are actually pretty rare. Tajiks are even rarer. I want to see more of them personally being from the former Soviet Union. It's just Bender who has been reposting previously shared results (not always though). And Kyp is largely interested in Iran, Azerbaijan and Turkey as far as I can see.
Syria as a whole seems pretty mixed. Those averages were made by Amon, I don't know the guy's background whether or not he is Middle Eastern himself. My knowledge of the Levant is limited and comes mainly from TA and Wikipedia lol.
Bender1999
10-17-2020, 09:15 AM
I once said that we also need more eastern Iranic results/Afghanistan samples because the most samples here are Westasian like Turkish, Kurdish,Iranian or Caucasian. And i think besides of Hazara those Mongolian results which i showed weren’t shown here before. I think here are many Westasian results because there are more of them who make those kind of results. The results which i post here are just random findings and i just pist them to keep this thread active, maybe to initiate comments/discussions. If you have SW-Asian results,please show them because you are right we need more diversity here. Because of that i would wish that henry comes back. But why we should stop show Uzbek or „whatnot“ results? If someone has a result of them please share, it is nice to see that. I searched for SW-Asian results but they are rare and difficult to find.
Also i think it depends on interests, some are more interested in to genetics and some less...
Bender1999
10-17-2020, 09:46 AM
Kyrgyz from China:
Gedrosia: 7.35 Pct
Siberian: 28.20 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 3.84 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 1.55 Pct
North_European: 11.60 Pct
South_Asian: 2.28 Pct
East_African: -
Southwest_Asian: 1.05 Pct
East_Asian: 37.12 Pct
Caucasus: 6.87 Pct
Sub_Saharan: 0.13 Oct
Bender, you need to start using the oracle. It's easy. Just type in the values in the original order separated by commas and without spaces.
I've never seen the Kyrgyz sample, it's interesting. Close to 70% East Eurasian.
Kyp may close the thread at page 120 and start a third volume. Very large threads are difficult to navigate. But before that I'm going to post something.
Bender1999
10-17-2020, 10:23 AM
Bender, you need to start using the oracle. It's easy. Just type in the values in the original order separated by commas and without spaces.
I've never seen the Kyrgyz sample, it's interesting. Close to 70% East Eurasian.
Kyp may close the thread at page 120 and start a third volume. Very large threads are difficult to navigate. But before that I'm going to post something.
What is this oracle?
Three Feylis (Lurs/Kurds idk) from Iran:
Gedrosian: 25.91
Siberian: 2.06
Northwest_African: 0.91
Southeast_Asian: 0.14
Atlantic_Med: 8.43
North_European: 5.26
South_Asian: 4.63
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 14.53
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 37.66
SSA: 0.00
Gedrosian: 28.29
Siberian: 0.53
Northwest_African: 0.83
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 5.89
North_European: 7.58
South_Asian: 4.73
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.57
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 38.11
SSA: 0.46
Gedrosian: 28.07
Siberian: 0.06
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 7.76
North_European: 5.00
South_Asian: 3.91
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 14.71
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 39.46
SSA: 1.01
Yes but Uzbeks and Mongolians are actually pretty rare. Tajiks are even rarer. I want to see more of them personally being from the former Soviet Union. It's just Bender who has been reposting previously shared results (not always though). And Kyp is largely interested in Iran, Azerbaijan and Turkey as far as I can see.
How rare are they, you guys have posted numerous Uzbeks we pretty much know how they look like now, autosomally.
I would post Syrians, Jordanians and other Levantines myself if I had acces to their kits but since so few people from the middle east use Gedcoms we can't be sure of their origin.
How rare are they, you guys have posted numerous Uzbeks we pretty much know how they look like now, autosomally.
I would post Syrians, Jordanians and other Levantines myself if I had acces to their kits but since so few people from the middle east use Gedcoms we can't be sure of their origin.
They are rare numerically compared to Levantine Arabs. If you browse through the database you'll see lots of kits with Arabic-sounding names. Sure, they might be Lebanese, Palestinian, Iraqi, Syrian, Jordanian, even Gulf Arabs but altogether they're far from rare. As for Uzbeks we have like 20 academic samples and maybe 3-4 non-academic ones.
I agree that what has already been posted should not be repeated 10 pages later. Maybe something really extraordinary can be pulled up again as an exception.
I don't know what she is. From Turkey I guess? Gorogullari can be a surname from Turkey?
Practically no Mongoloid at all.
Gedrosia 23.40 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.42 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.27 Pct
Atlantic_Med 11.82 Pct
North_European 9.62 Pct
South_Asian 1.77 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.36 Pct
East_Asian 0.31 Pct
Caucasus 41.01 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: KG
4.95224192 Zaza
5.35805002 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.10435910 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.14669830 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.21638158 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.32871235 Azerbaijani
6.83382762 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.85881034 Turk_East
8.05612190 Turk_Southeast
8.09688829 Kurd_Sorani
Target: KG
Distance: 1.5624% / 1.56244029 | ADC: 0.25x
62.8 Zaza
25.8 Udi_Azerbaijan
4.8 Spanish_Basque
3.6 Lezgin
3.0 Dargin
* * *
Ahiska Turk (the kit is titled Ahiska Turk Lady)
I2-L68 (native European?)
H2b
Gedrosia 18.37 Pct
Siberian 0.53 Pct
Northwest_African 0.64 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.54 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.51 Pct
North_European 6.98 Pct
South_Asian 0.14 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.40 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 53.89 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Ahiska_Lady
3.62557582 Turk_Ahiska
4.99925995 Hemshin
5.62937830 Laz
5.94376144 Georgian_mixed
6.04597387 Turk_East_Black_Sea
6.21822322 Armenian_East
6.82825014 Georgian_Turkey
7.08429954 Georgian_Adjara
7.47567388 Greek_Pontus
8.23315857 Georgian_Imereti
Target: Ahiska_Lady
Distance: 2.2136% / 2.21364400 | ADC: 0.5x
73.8 Turk_Ahiska
23.8 Hemshin
2.4 Yemen_Jews
Target: Ahiska_Lady
Distance: 1.2232% / 1.22315755 | ADC: 0.25x
66.4 Turk_Ahiska
27.2 Georgian_Turkey
5.8 Yemen_Jews
0.6 Hemshin
* * *
Most likely Ahiska too
Gedrosia 18.35 Pct
Siberian 1.12 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.34 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.57 Pct
North_European 8.44 Pct
South_Asian 1.58 Pct
East_African 0.14 Pct
Southwest_Asian 11.15 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 51.21 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.10 Pct
Distance to: Sova
3.13502791 Turk_Ahiska
5.26808314 Armenian_East
5.78217087 Georgian_mixed
6.38220965 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.65201473 Turk_East
6.74198784 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.18988178 Hemshin
7.72681694 Laz
8.54870166 Greek_Pontus
8.91164968 Armenian_West
Target: Sova
Distance: 2.0642% / 2.06415838 | ADC: 0.5x
74.6 Turk_Ahiska
18.4 Turk_East
7.0 Armenian_East
Target: Sova
Distance: 1.0208% / 1.02076461 | ADC: 0.25x
87.2 Turk_Ahiska
9.2 Armenian_East
1.8 Saudis
0.8 Selkup
0.6 Bhunjia
0.4 Pulliyar
@Bender, I have 3 Siberian Tatar kits. You are not ready to see them - they score exactly what Tengri himself would score :D xD
They will be posted on a new thread.
Dr_Maul
10-17-2020, 03:37 PM
they score exactly what Tengri himself would score
Unsurprisingly, as most of them are just Turkicized Yeniseian people..
Bender1999
10-17-2020, 03:46 PM
@Bender, I have 3 Siberian Tatar kits. You are not ready to see them - they score exactly what Tengri himself would score :D xD
They will be posted on a new thread.
Yes, this one has too many pages. I also had some Kurdish/Turkic results which i will post there...
Unsurprisingly, as most of them are just Turkicized Yeniseian people..
What the hell is Yeniseian? That was a joke anyway, they are less than 50% East Eurasian. Tengri should be 100%, no less.
Dr_Maul
10-17-2020, 04:38 PM
What the hell is Yeniseian? That was a joke anyway, they are less than 50% East Eurasian. Tengri should be 100%, no less.
Yeniseians are are like a midway between Altaic and Eskimo types. The language is basically dead because 90% of them became Turkicized. However I just realized your original comment was about Siberian Tatars not just Siberian Turks like Dolgans and Tuvans (Turkicized Mongols / Yeniseian although they have some Turkic admix) so my comment does not apply to them, that's my bad.
However, being part of the Aralo-Caspian branch of Kipchak, I have no doubt that those Tatars are Mongol spawns. Lets see the haplogroups.
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