Trivia: Are Kurds genetically closer to Estonians or Bedouin

[Zoro]

Specifically Kurmanji Kurds from Iraq. Take a wild guess. If you choose one over the other let us know based on which calculator and at the end I will post the actual result according to formal statistics (Reich lab ADMIXTOOLS)

[FinalFlash]

Specifically Kurmanji Kurds from Iraq. Take a guess. If you choose one over the other let us know based on which calculator and at the end I will post the actual result according to formal statistics (Reich lab ADMIXTOOLS)

I want to say Estonians.

[Zoro]

Any other brave guessers

[Zoro]

The prize goes to whoever guessed that Kurds are genetically equidistant from Bedouin and Estonians. This is according to qpWave which looks at the relationship of sources to a bunch of outgroups and if both sources such as Kurds & Test are clades then they will be symmetrically related to all the outgroups and the p-value will be close to 1 and chisq will be less than 10

Both Bedouin, Kurds and Bedouin, Estonians have a chisq value of 92

[FinalFlash]

The prize goes to whoever guessed that Kurds are genetically equidistant from Bedouin and Estonians. This is according to qpWave which looks at the relationship of sources to a bunch of outgroups and if both sources such as Kurds & Test are clades then they will be symmetrically related to all the outgroups and the p-value will be close to 1 and chisq will be less than 10

Both Bedouin, Kurds and Bedouin, Estonians have a chisq value of 92

I'm being as patient as I possibly can. Let's see that calc soon and explain how it works please.

[Friedrich Ulrich]

Kurds r typical irano-orientalid peoples,it means neither

[SharpFork]

The prize goes to whoever guessed that Kurds are genetically equidistant from Bedouin and Estonians. This is according to qpWave which looks at the relationship of sources to a bunch of outgroups and if both sources such as Kurds & Test are clades then they will be symmetrically related to all the outgroups and the p-value will be close to 1 and chisq will be less than 10

Both Bedouin, Kurds and Bedouin, Estonians have a chisq value of 92

By distance you mean in terms of shared recent ancestry OR fst distance? You seem to take for granted people use the first.

[Zoro]

By distance you mean in terms of shared recent ancestry OR fst distance? You seem to take for granted people use the first.

I should have written relatedness to be more exact. So basically shared genetic drift via ancestral populations.

Also when geneticists model something as x +y it does not necessarily mean specifically x + y but rather populations related to x + y

[StonyArabia]

Bedouin’s are genetically different from most MENA’s.

[Leto]

Distance to: Kurdish
0.04285471 BedouinA
0.07080279 Estonian
0.08212211 BedouinB

[StonyArabia]

Distance to: Kurdish
0.04285471 BedouinA
0.07080279 Estonian
0.08212211 BedouinB

Bedouin A is northern Bedouin and Bedouin B is southern Bedouin.

[Leto]

Bedouin A is northern Bedouin and Bedouin B is southern Bedouin.
Which groups of Bedouins have the most black ancestry?
This photo was taken in Sinai in 1967. They look mixed to me while other Bedouins do not
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/0001_FL151614954.jpg

[Roy]

Specifically Kurmanji Kurds from Iraq. Take a wild guess. If you choose one over the other let us know based on which calculator and at the end I will post the actual result according to formal statistics (Reich lab ADMIXTOOLS)


I want to ask you about this nice map in your signature. I checked those locations on Wikipedia in NE Iran to find out whether there is a lot of Kurds out there as I did not remember ever reading about their presence in that part of West Asia. And according to Wikipedia and its statistics on demography of those provinces, there are hardly any Kurds out there, like below 1%. What is that map based on then? Does it actually present some situation close to current times (there is the date 1998 on it) or is it some historical map?

Or is it some fantasy Kurdish map similar to those of Greater Serbia?

[Zoro]

I want to ask you about this nice map in your signature. I checked those locations on Wikipedia in NE Iran to find out whether there is a lot of Kurds out there as I did not remember ever reading about their presence in that part of West Asia. And according to Wikipedia and its statistics on demography of those provinces, there are hardly any Kurds out there, like below 1%. What is that map based on then? Does it actually present some situation close to current times (there is the date 1998 on it) or is it some historical map?

Or is it some fantasy Kurdish map similar to those of Greater Serbia?

There are about 2 million kurds in Eastern Iran. There are a couple of hundred maps on this site by Dr Izady of Columbia University.
They are detailed and also show the percentage growth of Kurds vs other ethnicities


https://gulf2000.columbia.edu/maps.shtml



https://i.imgur.com/iwM9YHL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qbBmOZi.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/MUl7zcp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/twOeUzV.jpg

This book details the population of Kurds in various cities of Eastern Iran
https://brill.com/downloadpdf/journals/ic/11/1/article-p11_2.pdf
Website of Khorasani Kurds
http://www.zazaki.net/haber/the-kurds-in-khorasan,-north-east-of-iran-1376.htm

[Arūnas]

add those 7.000 - 10.000 on the Belarus-Polish border

[Östsvensk]

Which groups of Bedouins have the most black ancestry?
This photo was taken in Sinai in 1967. They look mixed to me while other Bedouins do not
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/0001_FL151614954.jpg

I read somewhere that Bedouins had a lower social status (than everyone else) in Israel/Palestine.

[Zoro]

Here's IBS and IBD using 13 million SNPs from whole genomes. IBD are chunks of ancestry and IBS are individual SNPs. IBS includes more distant ancestry up to over 50,000 years old.

This is sorted by IBD chunks. Clearly ESTONIANS are quite a bit higher up the list for Kurds than BEDOUIN.

KURDS-IRAQ-IBS IBD AVG_IBS NORMALIZED IBS
Lezgin 0.29065 0.92258 100
Abkhasian 0.2879 0.92239 99.54
Armenian 0.28655 0.92225 99.2
Georgian 0.28645 0.92205 98.72
Adygei 0.28595 0.92198 98.55
KALASH 0.2858 0.91992 93.57
Turkish-Kayseri 0.285 0.92197 98.52
North_Ossetian 0.2846 0.92199 98.57
HUNGARIANS 0.28455 0.92148 97.34
TAJIKS-Tajikistan 0.2845 0.92058 95.16
Basque 0.2842 0.92135 97.02
BULGARIANS 0.28395 0.92198 98.55
ESTONIANS 0.2835 0.92147 97.31
Sardinian 0.283 0.92091 95.96
Iranian-S. Iran 1sample perhaps mixed with Arab 0.2809 0.92148 97.34
RUSSIANS 0.28065 0.92088 95.89
SINDHI 0.28025 0.92031 94.51
FINNS 0.27927 0.92097 96.11
Spanish 0.2792 0.92123 96.73
Saami 0.2789 0.9189 91.1
BEDOUIN-B 0.27815 0.91971 93.06
Makrani 0.2758 0.91955 92.67
PASHTUN-PAK 0.27545 0.92074 95.55
Burusho 0.2743 0.92004 93.86
PUNJABI-PJL 0.27362 0.91934 92.16
MANSI 0.2718 0.91807 89.09
Mala 0.2713 0.91811 89.19
Irula 0.2705 0.91752 87.76
Hazara 0.2692 0.91822 89.45
Kyrgyz 0.26545 0.91747 87.64
UYGHUR 0.26325 0.91848 90.08
Sahrawi 0.22475 0.91347 77.96
MOZABITE 0.22005 0.91258 75.81
JORDANIANS 0.18137 0.91901 91.36
Burmese 0 0.91481 81.2
Even 0 0.91449 80.43
Yakut 0 0.91439 80.19
Tibetan 0 0.91411 79.51
Mongola 0 0.91396 79.15
Hezhen 0 0.91362 78.33
HAN 0 0.91349 78.01
Ulchi 0 0.91348 77.99
Eskimo_Naukan 0 0.91335 77.67
Dai 0 0.91332 77.6
Miao 0 0.91326 77.46
Yi 0 0.91323 77.38
Mayan 0 0.91261 75.88
Ami 0 0.91258 75.81
Mixe 0 0.91248 75.57
Onge 0 0.91206 74.55
Karitiana 0 0.91103 72.06
Australian 0 0.91043 70.61
Papuan 0 0.90968 68.8
Iraqw 0 0.90151 49.03
Aari 0 0.89926 43.59
Masai 0 0.89737 39.02
Hadza 0 0.89645 36.79
Luo 0 0.88721 14.44
Luhya 0 0.88631 12.26
Yoruba 0 0.88458 8.08
Esan 0 0.88444 7.74
Igbo 0 0.88424 7.26
Ju_hoan_North 0 0.88342 5.27
Khomani_San 0 0.88246 2.95



This one is sorted by IBS

KURDS-IRAQ-IBS IBD AVG_IBS NORMALIZED IBS
Lezgin 0.29065 0.92258 100
Abkhasian 0.2879 0.92239 99.54
Armenian 0.28655 0.92225 99.2
Georgian 0.28645 0.92205 98.72
North_Ossetian 0.2846 0.92199 98.57
Adygei 0.28595 0.92198 98.55
BULGARIANS 0.28395 0.92198 98.55
Turkish-Kayseri 0.285 0.92197 98.52
HUNGARIANS 0.28455 0.92148 97.34
Iranian-S. Iran 1sample perhaps mixed with Arab 0.2809 0.92148 97.34
ESTONIANS 0.2835 0.92147 97.31
Basque 0.2842 0.92135 97.02
Spanish 0.2792 0.92123 96.73
FINNS 0.27927 0.92097 96.11
Sardinian 0.283 0.92091 95.96
RUSSIANS 0.28065 0.92088 95.89
PASHTUN-PAK 0.27545 0.92074 95.55
TAJIKS-Tajikistan 0.2845 0.92058 95.16
SINDHI 0.28025 0.92031 94.51
Burusho 0.2743 0.92004 93.86
KALASH 0.2858 0.91992 93.57
BEDOUIN-B 0.27815 0.91971 93.06
Makrani 0.2758 0.91955 92.67
PUNJABI-PJL 0.27362 0.91934 92.16
JORDANIANS 0.18137 0.91901 91.36
Saami 0.2789 0.9189 91.1
UYGHUR 0.26325 0.91848 90.08
Hazara 0.2692 0.91822 89.45
Mala 0.2713 0.91811 89.19
MANSI 0.2718 0.91807 89.09
Irula 0.2705 0.91752 87.76
Kyrgyz 0.26545 0.91747 87.64
Burmese 0 0.91481 81.2
Even 0 0.91449 80.43
Yakut 0 0.91439 80.19
Tibetan 0 0.91411 79.51
Mongola 0 0.91396 79.15
Hezhen 0 0.91362 78.33
HAN 0 0.91349 78.01
Ulchi 0 0.91348 77.99
Sahrawi 0.22475 0.91347 77.96
Eskimo_Naukan 0 0.91335 77.67
Dai 0 0.91332 77.6
Miao 0 0.91326 77.46
Yi 0 0.91323 77.38
Mayan 0 0.91261 75.88
MOZABITE 0.22005 0.91258 75.81
Ami 0 0.91258 75.81
Mixe 0 0.91248 75.57
Onge 0 0.91206 74.55
Karitiana 0 0.91103 72.06
Australian 0 0.91043 70.61
Papuan 0 0.90968 68.8
Iraqw 0 0.90151 49.03
Aari 0 0.89926 43.59
Masai 0 0.89737 39.02
Hadza 0 0.89645 36.79
Luo 0 0.88721 14.44
Luhya 0 0.88631 12.26
Yoruba 0 0.88458 8.08
Esan 0 0.88444 7.74
Igbo 0 0.88424 7.26
Ju_hoan_North 0 0.88342 5.27
Khomani_San 0 0.88246 2.95

[Leto]

I read somewhere that Bedouins had a lower social status (than everyone else) in Israel/Palestine.
They are sure largely illiterate to this day. Or maybe semi-literate at most.
I'd like to have Gedmatch results from the Negev Desert which is in Israel.

[Leto]

I want to ask you about this nice map in your signature. I checked those locations on Wikipedia in NE Iran to find out whether there is a lot of Kurds out there as I did not remember ever reading about their presence in that part of West Asia. And according to Wikipedia and its statistics on demography of those provinces, there are hardly any Kurds out there, like below 1%. What is that map based on then? Does it actually present some situation close to current times (there is the date 1998 on it) or is it some historical map?

Or is it some fantasy Kurdish map similar to those of Greater Serbia?
Middle Eastern/Oriental diasporas routinely inflate their numbers in other countries. Some Turks claim there are between 4 and 7 million Turks in Germany, just to give you an example.

[Zoro]

Middle Eastern/Oriental diasporas routinely inflate their numbers in other countries. Some Turks claim there are between 4 and 7 million Turks in Germany, just to give you an example.

First, Kurds are not diaspora in Iran. It’s the ancient homeland of 50% of their ancestors, the remainder being Medes, Parthians and Scythians and other related. More importantly Iran is well known to reduce as much as possible reported non-Persian numbers due to seperatism fears. Same concept as them not liking a Kurdistan country on its borders.

The Wikipaedia number of 500,000 to 1 million https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_of_Khorasan is probably based government numbers.

Anyone with a little common sense can see that their numbers are higher based on the actual area Kurds occupy in E. Iran vs W. Iran (maps above)

[StonyArabia]

Which groups of Bedouins have the most black ancestry?
This photo was taken in Sinai in 1967. They look mixed to me while other Bedouins do not
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/0001_FL151614954.jpg

Afro-Bedouin’s they are mostly in the Sinai and Negev. It really depends on the tribe. As Bedouin Society is divided into several classes. The first class is made up of horse breeders and camel herders, these are called the noble tribes or Asli meaning original. These tribes trace their links to the Arabian peninsula. Then you have tribes that are connected to Arabia, but it’s not recent and they are mostly sheep herders. Then Afro-Bedouin’s who descent from African slaves. Some tribes are mixed heavily especially in areas like Egypt. Sinai Bedouin’s are indeed seen as a different from other Egyptians and are seen as such. Though Sinai Bedouins mostly look like other Bedouin and Arabian people but they do have more Afro-mixed people among them.


I read somewhere that Bedouins had a lower social status (than everyone else) in Israel/Palestin

No perhaps Afro-Bedouin’s who have recent ties to Africa. Bedouin’s were the elite of Iraq and are the elite in Jordan. In Israel Bedouin’s regarded as the same as the Druze and have more privileges they don’t have to join the military. I know for certain that’s how it was in Iraq and how it is in Jordan. In fact Iraqi Bedouin’s don’t even obey the Anglo-American coalition let alone the Iraqi government and they de facto control there areas. The more Bedouin blooded you are in Iraq and Jordan the higher you are regarded especially if you are Asli noble. The same is true of Saudi Arabia as well.

[Leto]

First, Kurds are not diaspora in Iran. It’s the ancient homeland of 50% of their ancestors, the remainder being Medes, Parthians and Scythians and other related. More importantly Iran is well known to reduce as much as possible reported non-Persian numbers due to seperatism fears. Same concept as them not liking a Kurdistan country on its borders.

The Wikipaedia number of 500,000 to 1 million https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_of_Khorasan is probably based government numbers.

Anyone with a little common sense can see that their numbers are higher based on the actual area Kurds occupy in E. Iran vs W. Iran (maps above)
Yes, I should have added minorities too. Iran has a province called Kordistan but it's true they are a strong unitary state and don't want separatism within their borders. Kurds and other Western Iranians are similar anyway.

[Tanais]

Specifically Kurmanji Kurds from Iraq. Take a wild guess. If you choose one over the other let us know based on which calculator and at the end I will post the actual result according to formal statistics (Reich lab ADMIXTOOLS)
Egually same, as Kurds are the originators of the Gravettian, Near Eastern and Ancient North Siberian/Eurasian genetic networks. Kurdistan region is like a dna fabric, it produced the most important genetic layers of human expression of aesthetics. Do you know BASH-Kurds? They are your closest kin who mixed with haplo N folks in the far Yakutia (Yana site). A strong indication for this is Dengbej tradition only among Yakuts.
https://imgur.com/a/hTFsy3u

[Zoro]

Egually same, as Kurds are the originators of the Gravettian, Near Eastern and Ancient North Siberian/Eurasian genetic networks. Kurdistan region is like a dna fabric, it produced the most important genetic layers of human expression of aesthetics. Do you know BASH-Kurds? They are your closest kin who mixed with haplo N folks in the far Yakutia (Yana site). A strong indication for this is Dengbej tradition only among Yakuts.
https://imgur.com/a/hTFsy3u

Yes Dengbej (actually it should be called dengbezh the way we pronounce it) is a storytelling type of song https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dengb%C3%AAj

It has some parallels with Siberian and E. Asian throat singing. Do you have any videos of Yakut Dengbej ?


https://youtu.be/lIdTfTPr3Uw

https://youtu.be/NJ7vV86kG5k

https://youtu.be/iItKhes0w5o

https://youtu.be/sA3zcay-Uj4

https://youtu.be/QhVKwtB4arI

[Roy]

There are about 2 million kurds in Eastern Iran. There are a couple of hundred maps on this site by Dr Izady of Columbia University.
They are detailed and also show the percentage growth of Kurds vs other ethnicities


https://gulf2000.columbia.edu/maps.shtml



https://i.imgur.com/iwM9YHL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qbBmOZi.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/MUl7zcp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/twOeUzV.jpg

This book details the population of Kurds in various cities of Eastern Iran
https://brill.com/downloadpdf/journals/ic/11/1/article-p11_2.pdf
Website of Khorasani Kurds
http://www.zazaki.net/haber/the-kurds-in-khorasan,-north-east-of-iran-1376.htm

Only 1% of Kurds in NE Iran province called Rezavi Khorasan where Qochan city lies. It is well within that red area on your map. :confused: You'd think that Kurds make a significant minirity there or even some majority but all my sources prove otherwise.



The absolute major ethnic group in this province are the Persians (99%), 1% others includes Kurds, etc.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razavi_Khorasan_Province


Maybe in North Khorasan to the west there is a higher % of them? Either way your map looks farfetched.

[Zoro]

Only 1% of Kurds in NE Iran province called Rezavi Khorasan where Qochan city lies. It is well within that red area on your map. :confused: You'd think that Kurds make a significant minirity there or even some majority but all my sources prove otherwise.




https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razavi_Khorasan_Province


Maybe in North Khorasan to the west there is a higher % of them? Either way your map looks farfetched.

Let’s recap what just happened.. Seeing my signature map you asked me for references for the number of Kurds in Eastern Iran.

I provided you with academic references and even Wikipaedia reference (because you like Wikipedia). You ignored everything I referenced and the hundreds of other references online and YouTube videos.

Conclusion: You’re trolling and not really interested in the actual number of Kurds in Eastern Iran.

[StonyArabia]

They are sure largely illiterate to this day. Or maybe semi-literate at most.
I'd like to have Gedmatch results from the Negev Desert which is in Israel.

Some are and some are not. There are many Bedouin’s who are highly educated, and often speak American English as their second language. Most Bedouin males especially in Jordan prefer to enter the police or military services. In Iraq, many of the former military personnel were often Bedouins. Though there are some that enter civilian fields like doctor, nurse, engineers. In Syria, the Bedouin’s don’t have much education and the government was truly to put them in schools, but many of them refused because they saw it as assimilation, and corruption of their culture. In the past years the Bedouin’s in Syria are changing their attitudes. Not only that many Bedouin’s are learning American English as they now it’s important and can communicate with tourists, ect. Though they often prefer the military, and they tend to be successful in this field.

[Roy]

Let’s recap what just happened.. Seeing my signature map you asked me for references for the number of Kurds in Eastern Iran.

I provided you with academic references and even Wikipaedia reference (because you like Wikipedia). You ignored everything I referenced and the hundreds of other references online and YouTube videos.

Conclusion: You’re trolling and not really interested in the actual number of Kurds in Eastern Iran.

If there is 2 millions of them in Eastern Iran than how come they make only 1% of population in one of the more populated provinces of Iran? It is not like Iran has a population like India. But either way it is interesting how according to this article. Or do they get undercounted in census?

The Kurds who arrived in Khorasan were largely from the parts of Northern Kurdistan in South-eastern Turkey. And even today, about 4 centuries later, they speak various dialects of the North Kormanji language which still predominates among the Kurds (in Turkey). The costumes and customs of Khorasani Kurds resemble those of the Kurds in Turkey more closely than those of the other Kurds. The women wear high-heeled shoes and knee-high skirts, worn in layers and fitted with white aprons or coloured waistcoats.

[Roy]

Afro-Bedouin’s they are mostly in the Sinai and Negev. It really depends on the tribe. As Bedouin Society is divided into several classes. The first class is made up of horse breeders and camel herders, these are called the noble tribes or Asli meaning original. These tribes trace their links to the Arabian peninsula. Then you have tribes that are connected to Arabia, but it’s not recent and they are mostly sheep herders. Then Afro-Bedouin’s who descent from African slaves. Some tribes are mixed heavily especially in areas like Egypt. Sinai Bedouin’s are indeed seen as a different from other Egyptians and are seen as such. Though Sinai Bedouins mostly look like other Bedouin and Arabian people but they do have more Afro-mixed people among them.



No perhaps Afro-Bedouin’s who have recent ties to Africa. Bedouin’s were the elite of Iraq and are the elite in Jordan. In Israel Bedouin’s regarded as the same as the Druze and have more privileges they don’t have to join the military. I know for certain that’s how it was in Iraq and how it is in Jordan. In fact Iraqi Bedouin’s don’t even obey the Anglo-American coalition let alone the Iraqi government and they de facto control there areas. The more Bedouin blooded you are in Iraq and Jordan the higher you are regarded especially if you are Asli noble. The same is true of Saudi Arabia as well.


I'd not like to be highly Bedouin blooded considering their high degree of consanguineous unions. I've read that the degree of genetic disorders is very high among Bedouins, esp. Negev ones.

[Tanais]

Do you have any videos of Yakut Dengbej ?
Yes, they mostly perform it as Olonkho storytelling and is very similar to Kurdish Dengbej, both forms are types of yodeling, but I have seen no other people which is so similar to Kurdish Dengbej as the Yakut Olonkho. Kyrgyz also have storytelling, but they seem to have lost the singin element. Here is a short video comparison I did a few weeks ago.


https://vimeo.com/655917571
E. Asian throat singing is surely derived from ancient ANS Kurds (Ancient North Siberians of West Eurasian genetic profile Yana-RHS who originated from the Middle East and migrated to Siberia 40.000 years ago), but E. Asians turned it into a low tone swinging, except Yakuts, they preserved the typical Kurdish type of singing.

[Borealis]

Some are and some are not. There are many Bedouin’s who are highly educated, and often speak American English as their second language. Most Bedouin males especially in Jordan prefer to enter the police or military services. In Iraq, many of the former military personnel were often Bedouins. Though there are some that enter civilian fields like doctor, nurse, engineers. In Syria, the Bedouin’s don’t have much education and the government was truly to put them in schools, but many of them refused because they saw it as assimilation, and corruption of their culture. In the past years the Bedouin’s in Syria are changing their attitudes. Not only that many Bedouin’s are learning American English as they now it’s important and can communicate with tourists, ect. Though they often prefer the military, and they tend to be successful in this field.

No offense dude but I don't understand your obsession with being bedouin and your desire to make Iraqis as bedouin as possible. They are partly connected to the ancient Mesopotamians who built great civilizations before the rest of the world and yet you would rather they associate with nomads from the desert who accomplished very little? Come on...

[Leto]

StonyArabia, do you have your wife's DNA results?

[StonyArabia]

No offense dude but I don't understand your obsession with being bedouin and your desire to make Iraqis as bedouin as possible. They are partly connected to the ancient Mesopotamians who built great civilizations before the rest of the world and yet you would rather they associate with nomads from the desert who accomplished very little? Come on...

Modern day Mesopotamians are bunch of pathetic sad whiners. They whine like babies. Cry to Westerners or Russians. They want to be white . Aka Eliasalutard and others of his ilk. They hate us, so why should we have any contact with them. Plus Mesopotamians sure accomplished quite bit but where are there modern day contributions. Well the Bedouins created a magnificent empire from southern France to borders of India and China. We were desert nomads and accomplished more than those whiners. Ummyads, Fatamids, Abbassids, other groups like the Midanitr, Kedarite, Nabateans ect.

[Babak]

Yes, I should have added minorities too. Iran has a province called Kordistan but it's true they are a strong unitary state and don't want separatism within their borders. Kurds and other Western Iranians are similar anyway.

I can confirm this, yes.