How to group Italian samples in order to obtain good references?

[gixajo]

After doing it with French samples, it´s the time of Italian ones.

2 samples, North and South making the means with most representative references from each Italian zone?

Which samples would be the best ones to discriminate accurately North and South Italy among modern pop averages datasheet refrences?

Ideas,opinions,suggestions please.


Italian_Abruzzo,0.1126848,0.1488017,-0.0006749,-0.034765,0.0161163,-0.0125501,0.0007792,-0.0022834,0.0037891,0.0208133,0.0005128,0.0036677,-0.0056336,-0.0039041,-0.0061502,-0.0014655,0.0018596,0.0002667,0.0033608,-0.0036926,-0.003809,0.001334,0.0008886,0.001706,-0.0009642
Italian_Aosta_Valley,0.1269696,0.1460839,0.0392582 ,0.0047481,0.036976,-0.0015478,0.0024088,0.0028038,0.0102262,0.0219594,-0.004766,0.0049306,-0.0147248,-0.010356,0.0074986,0.0062582,0.0051892,-0.000285,0.003375,-0.0005378,0.0029261,0.0019476,-0.0009181,0.0081396,-5.98e-05
Italian_Apulia,0.1107119,0.1482673,-0.0037713,-0.0401381,0.0158388,-0.0151159,-0.0009557,-0.0016153,0.0027951,0.0206898,-0.0002273,0.0038765,-0.0064717,0.0011929,-0.0081071,-0.0038982,0.0016691,0.0005997,0.0027485,-0.0051524,-0.0038098,0.0019619,0.0017584,0.0014379,-0.0005667
Italian_Basilicata,0.1092701,0.1466877,-0.0049864,-0.0405186,0.0132674,-0.0153391,0.0010444,-0.0016667,0.0043403,0.019236,1e-07,0.0030306,-0.0071026,-0.0007799,-0.0090631,-0.0015763,0.0058818,-0.0003238,0.003366,-0.0051273,-0.0018854,0.0022396,0.0023007,0.002691,0.0003459
Italian_Bergamo,0.1238394,0.1507044,0.0306976,-0.0117572,0.0361914,-0.0026774,0.001081,0.0017076,0.010758,0.0276634,-0.0013966,0.0068042,-0.0128442,-0.0062756,-0.0034744,-0.0041634,-0.0003652,0.0006588,0.0051536,-0.0055526,-0.001048,-2.48e-05,-0.0041902,0.0037836,0.0009578
Italian_Calabria,0.1028203,0.1462363,-0.011942,-0.0466197,0.0125147,-0.0117133,-0.0024283,-0.0031537,0.0044993,0.0215037,0.000433,0.0027977,-0.0055003,-0.000963,-0.009636,-0.0052593,0.0068237,0.0009713,0.0051537,-0.003043,-0.0026203,-0.0023907,-0.0001643,0.0037753,0.00012
Italian_Campania,0.1077999,0.1480133,-0.0089094,-0.0436185,0.0137461,-0.0161523,-0.0004504,-0.002269,0.0041928,0.0222025,0.0007848,0.0023355,-0.0050607,-0.0017088,-0.0066447,-0.0007843,0.0027761,-0.0002586,0.0025872,-0.004028,-0.0040866,0.0018496,0.001058,0.0019682,0.0002893
Italian_Jew,0.0949283,0.1456271,-0.0186674,-0.0564927,0.0112941,-0.0245423,-0.003995,-0.002792,0.0128851,0.0191349,0.0045143,0.00021,0.0 021557,-0.0028762,-0.0066097,-0.0012331,-0.0011995,-0.0010515,-0.0011187,-0.0035893,-0.0039059,-0.0015456,-0.000123,0.0023617,0.0028741
Italian_Lazio,0.1146768,0.1525832,0.006694,-0.0350455,0.0213115,-0.0115738,0.0024675,0.000519,0.0068512,0.0234627,0 .001299,0.0028475,-0.007656,-0.0070875,-0.0068538,0.0041432,-0.000228,-0.0005068,0.0018225,-0.005065,-0.002745,0.0033695,-0.0003697,-0.0003613,-0.000479
Italian_Liguria,0.113823,0.146236,0.027153,-0.011951,0.029236,-0.002231,0.00235,0.001154,0.009613,0.025331,-0.009743,0.002847,-0.013082,0.001101,-0.001086,-0.012463,-0.00665,-0.00038,0.003771,0.00075,-0.00025,0.000989,0.003944,0.000723,0.000599
Italian_Lombardy,0.1245224,0.147861,0.0279822,-0.0137598,0.0327446,-0.007753,0.000658,0,0.0103898,0.0299232,-0.0025008,0.008932,-0.0143606,-0.0047066,-0.0008686,-0.0078758,-0.0083448,0.0017738,0.0034442,-0.004102,-0.002246,0.0012366,-0.0006656,0.0030602,0.0008382
Italian_Marche,0.1176646,0.1482038,0.0086029,-0.0290498,0.0213692,-0.0103538,0.0006462,-0.0031152,0.0061358,0.0213101,-0.0005888,0.0043836,-0.008548,-0.0016944,-0.0032828,-0.0023286,-0.000383,0.001259,0.0026948,-0.0033219,-0.0009671,0.0024574,0.0006394,0.0037278,-0.0016691
Italian_Molise,0.112685,0.146744,0.00132,-0.0334305,0.0155415,-0.0132475,0.004465,-0.003,0.00225,0.019408,0.003735,0.003372,-0.008102,-0.002684,-0.0071255,-0.0031155,0.005085,0.001837,0.0023255,-0.0080035,-0.0013725,0.0045135,-0.000801,0.0035545,0.0001195
Italian_Northeast,0.1256119,0.1435524,0.035611,0.0 017304,0.0354352,0.0020319,0.0031725,0.0020439,0.0 068808,0.0159456,-0.0023661,0.0047744,-0.0083887,-0.0003736,-0.0045758,0.0003598,0.0040232,0.0008869,0.0038337,-0.0025993,-0.0035295,0.0004328,-0.0017957,0.0045702,0.0003593
Italian_Piedmont,0.1213354,0.1473534,0.0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige,0.1250429,0.1459461,0.0346411,-0.0035069,0.0372377,-0.0033864,0.0033571,0.0029997,0.011307,0.0238729,-0.0030157,0.0050099,-0.0134431,-0.002831,-0.0005237,-0.0018751,0.0005961,0.001665,0.0042739,-0.0030194,-0.0014259,0.0028086,-0.0005106,0.000637,-0.0036781
Italian_Tuscany,0.1186036,0.1487413,0.0136014,-0.0204997,0.0261587,-0.0090546,-0.00047,-0.0013845,0.0074991,0.0238972,-0.0002273,0.0054552,-0.0118631,-0.0045965,-0.0023797,-0.0002917,0.0040332,0.0004815,0.0038463,-0.0023929,-0.0012063,0.0024647,-0.0010436,0.00388,-0.0015885
Italian_Umbria,0.1171113,0.1474776,0.0077941,-0.0279933,0.0200379,-0.0091724,-0.0008617,-0.0024103,0.0052267,0.025918,-0.0003788,0.0053953,-0.0101584,-0.0053214,-0.0024883,0.0005747,0.0069538,0.0005912,0.0010613,-0.0023344,-0.0034107,0.0007556,0.0003149,0.0030391,-0.0010911
Italian_Veneto,0.1256322,0.1482672,0.0303111,-0.0061572,0.0342755,-0.0004532,0.0020416,0.0020047,0.0100346,0.0230415,-0.0022328,0.0054889,-0.0105363,-0.0038189,-0.0026974,0.000953,0.0034796,0.0019557,0.0028518,-0.0042286,-0.0009982,0.0028594,-0.0001309,0.001318,-0.0021479

I have already made the Sicilian average:


Sicilian_Average,0.10168200,0.14606700,-0.00383415,-0.03832935,0.01861865,-0.01259680,-0.00129250,0.00030765,0.01046465,0.02180770,0.0053 5865,0.00349700,-0.00418735,0.00250000,-0.00409415,-0.00483950,-0.00236850,-0.00059115,0.00180165,-0.00500250,0.00039535,0.00175180,-0.00254700,-0.00060250,0.00031915

Sicilian_Average,=Sicilian_East,+Sicilian_West

Target: Sicilian_Average
Distance: 0.0000% / 0.00000000
50.0 Sicilian_East
50.0 Sicilian_West

[mitalit]

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.6668% / 0.02666847
87.8 Italian_Aosta_Valley
12.2 Italian_Liguria


Distance to: Xabier_scaled
0.02708760 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03532911 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03876124 Italian_Northeast
0.03890949 Italian_Veneto
0.04036104 Italian_Bergamo
0.04312086 Italian_Liguria
0.04370114 Italian_Lombardy
0.04563906 Italian_Piedmont
0.05252155 Italian_Tuscany
0.06107036 Italian_Umbria
0.06330841 Italian_Marche
0.06851568 Italian_Lazio
0.07433958 Italian_Abruzzo
0.07435597 Italian_Molise
0.08107168 Italian_Apulia
0.08184355 Italian_Basilicata
0.08569733 Italian_Campania
0.09047120 Italian_Calabria
0.10409172 Italian_Jew

[gixajo]

Target: Xabier_scaled
Distance: 2.6668% / 0.02666847
87.8 Italian_Aosta_Valley
12.2 Italian_Liguria




Te falta Sicilia, como ya hice la media, no la puse con el resto de los italianos, tampoco Cerdeña, que solo hay uno.

Estas son las sources originales, con las 3 referencias dos islas incluidas, no inclyo judíos italianos.


Italian_Abruzzo,0.1126848,0.1488017,-0.0006749,-0.034765,0.0161163,-0.0125501,0.0007792,-0.0022834,0.0037891,0.0208133,0.0005128,0.0036677,-0.0056336,-0.0039041,-0.0061502,-0.0014655,0.0018596,0.0002667,0.0033608,-0.0036926,-0.003809,0.001334,0.0008886,0.001706,-0.0009642
Italian_Aosta_Valley,0.1269696,0.1460839,0.0392582 ,0.0047481,0.036976,-0.0015478,0.0024088,0.0028038,0.0102262,0.0219594,-0.004766,0.0049306,-0.0147248,-0.010356,0.0074986,0.0062582,0.0051892,-0.000285,0.003375,-0.0005378,0.0029261,0.0019476,-0.0009181,0.0081396,-5.98e-05
Italian_Apulia,0.1107119,0.1482673,-0.0037713,-0.0401381,0.0158388,-0.0151159,-0.0009557,-0.0016153,0.0027951,0.0206898,-0.0002273,0.0038765,-0.0064717,0.0011929,-0.0081071,-0.0038982,0.0016691,0.0005997,0.0027485,-0.0051524,-0.0038098,0.0019619,0.0017584,0.0014379,-0.0005667
Italian_Basilicata,0.1092701,0.1466877,-0.0049864,-0.0405186,0.0132674,-0.0153391,0.0010444,-0.0016667,0.0043403,0.019236,1e-07,0.0030306,-0.0071026,-0.0007799,-0.0090631,-0.0015763,0.0058818,-0.0003238,0.003366,-0.0051273,-0.0018854,0.0022396,0.0023007,0.002691,0.0003459
Italian_Bergamo,0.1238394,0.1507044,0.0306976,-0.0117572,0.0361914,-0.0026774,0.001081,0.0017076,0.010758,0.0276634,-0.0013966,0.0068042,-0.0128442,-0.0062756,-0.0034744,-0.0041634,-0.0003652,0.0006588,0.0051536,-0.0055526,-0.001048,-2.48e-05,-0.0041902,0.0037836,0.0009578
Italian_Calabria,0.1028203,0.1462363,-0.011942,-0.0466197,0.0125147,-0.0117133,-0.0024283,-0.0031537,0.0044993,0.0215037,0.000433,0.0027977,-0.0055003,-0.000963,-0.009636,-0.0052593,0.0068237,0.0009713,0.0051537,-0.003043,-0.0026203,-0.0023907,-0.0001643,0.0037753,0.00012
Italian_Campania,0.1077999,0.1480133,-0.0089094,-0.0436185,0.0137461,-0.0161523,-0.0004504,-0.002269,0.0041928,0.0222025,0.0007848,0.0023355,-0.0050607,-0.0017088,-0.0066447,-0.0007843,0.0027761,-0.0002586,0.0025872,-0.004028,-0.0040866,0.0018496,0.001058,0.0019682,0.0002893
Italian_Jew,0.0949283,0.1456271,-0.0186674,-0.0564927,0.0112941,-0.0245423,-0.003995,-0.002792,0.0128851,0.0191349,0.0045143,0.00021,0.0 021557,-0.0028762,-0.0066097,-0.0012331,-0.0011995,-0.0010515,-0.0011187,-0.0035893,-0.0039059,-0.0015456,-0.000123,0.0023617,0.0028741
Italian_Lazio,0.1146768,0.1525832,0.006694,-0.0350455,0.0213115,-0.0115738,0.0024675,0.000519,0.0068512,0.0234627,0 .001299,0.0028475,-0.007656,-0.0070875,-0.0068538,0.0041432,-0.000228,-0.0005068,0.0018225,-0.005065,-0.002745,0.0033695,-0.0003697,-0.0003613,-0.000479
Italian_Liguria,0.113823,0.146236,0.027153,-0.011951,0.029236,-0.002231,0.00235,0.001154,0.009613,0.025331,-0.009743,0.002847,-0.013082,0.001101,-0.001086,-0.012463,-0.00665,-0.00038,0.003771,0.00075,-0.00025,0.000989,0.003944,0.000723,0.000599
Italian_Lombardy,0.1245224,0.147861,0.0279822,-0.0137598,0.0327446,-0.007753,0.000658,0,0.0103898,0.0299232,-0.0025008,0.008932,-0.0143606,-0.0047066,-0.0008686,-0.0078758,-0.0083448,0.0017738,0.0034442,-0.004102,-0.002246,0.0012366,-0.0006656,0.0030602,0.0008382
Italian_Marche,0.1176646,0.1482038,0.0086029,-0.0290498,0.0213692,-0.0103538,0.0006462,-0.0031152,0.0061358,0.0213101,-0.0005888,0.0043836,-0.008548,-0.0016944,-0.0032828,-0.0023286,-0.000383,0.001259,0.0026948,-0.0033219,-0.0009671,0.0024574,0.0006394,0.0037278,-0.0016691
Italian_Molise,0.112685,0.146744,0.00132,-0.0334305,0.0155415,-0.0132475,0.004465,-0.003,0.00225,0.019408,0.003735,0.003372,-0.008102,-0.002684,-0.0071255,-0.0031155,0.005085,0.001837,0.0023255,-0.0080035,-0.0013725,0.0045135,-0.000801,0.0035545,0.0001195
Italian_Northeast,0.1256119,0.1435524,0.035611,0.0 017304,0.0354352,0.0020319,0.0031725,0.0020439,0.0 068808,0.0159456,-0.0023661,0.0047744,-0.0083887,-0.0003736,-0.0045758,0.0003598,0.0040232,0.0008869,0.0038337,-0.0025993,-0.0035295,0.0004328,-0.0017957,0.0045702,0.0003593
Italian_Piedmont,0.1213354,0.1473534,0.0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige,0.1250429,0.1459461,0.0346411,-0.0035069,0.0372377,-0.0033864,0.0033571,0.0029997,0.011307,0.0238729,-0.0030157,0.0050099,-0.0134431,-0.002831,-0.0005237,-0.0018751,0.0005961,0.001665,0.0042739,-0.0030194,-0.0014259,0.0028086,-0.0005106,0.000637,-0.0036781
Italian_Tuscany,0.1186036,0.1487413,0.0136014,-0.0204997,0.0261587,-0.0090546,-0.00047,-0.0013845,0.0074991,0.0238972,-0.0002273,0.0054552,-0.0118631,-0.0045965,-0.0023797,-0.0002917,0.0040332,0.0004815,0.0038463,-0.0023929,-0.0012063,0.0024647,-0.0010436,0.00388,-0.0015885
Italian_Umbria,0.1171113,0.1474776,0.0077941,-0.0279933,0.0200379,-0.0091724,-0.0008617,-0.0024103,0.0052267,0.025918,-0.0003788,0.0053953,-0.0101584,-0.0053214,-0.0024883,0.0005747,0.0069538,0.0005912,0.0010613,-0.0023344,-0.0034107,0.0007556,0.0003149,0.0030391,-0.0010911
Italian_Veneto,0.1256322,0.1482672,0.0303111,-0.0061572,0.0342755,-0.0004532,0.0020416,0.0020047,0.0100346,0.0230415,-0.0022328,0.0054889,-0.0105363,-0.0038189,-0.0026974,0.000953,0.0034796,0.0019557,0.0028518,-0.0042286,-0.0009982,0.0028594,-0.0001309,0.001318,-0.0021479
Sicilian_East,0.1031997,0.1465747,-0.007291,-0.0411287,0.0178493,-0.0153393,-0.0019583,7.7e-05,0.0075673,0.0213217,0.0073073,0.0038967,-0.0061447,0.0031193,-0.0059263,-0.006497,-0.0028683,-0.00114,0.0044833,-0.003877,-4.13e-05,0.0026793,-0.0018897,0.0022893,0.000399
Sicilian_West,0.1001643,0.1455593,-0.0003773,-0.03553,0.019388,-0.0098543,-0.0006267,0.0005383,0.013362,0.0222937,0.00341,0.0 030973,-0.00223,0.0018807,-0.002262,-0.003182,-0.0018687,-4.23e-05,-0.00088,-0.006128,0.000832,0.0008243,-0.0032043,-0.0034943,0.0002393
Sardinian,0.1216872,0.1672855,0.0284897,-0.0506523,0.060151,-0.0221337,-0.0039523,0.0024964,0.0415743,0.077351,-5.9e-05,0.0166487,-0.0286645,-0.012974,-0.013572,-0.0030013,0.0114027,-0.0013475,0.0016798,-0.0129947,-0.0021212,-0.0011018,-0.010084,-0.021383,0.0003375

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.9143% / 0.02914313
75.4 Italian_Aosta_Valley
15.8 Sardinian
8.8 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.7836% / 0.02783591
50.8 Italian_Aosta_Valley
24.8 Sardinian
24.4 Italian_Liguria

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 3.9737% / 0.03973684
82.8 Italian_Aosta_Valley
10.4 Sardinian
6.8 Italian_Liguria

[mitalit]

Te falta Sicilia, como ya hice la media, no la puse con el resto de los italianos, tampoco Cerdeña, que solo hay uno.

Estas son las sources originales, con las 3 referencias dos islas incluidas, no inclyo judíos italianos.


Italian_Abruzzo,0.1126848,0.1488017,-0.0006749,-0.034765,0.0161163,-0.0125501,0.0007792,-0.0022834,0.0037891,0.0208133,0.0005128,0.0036677,-0.0056336,-0.0039041,-0.0061502,-0.0014655,0.0018596,0.0002667,0.0033608,-0.0036926,-0.003809,0.001334,0.0008886,0.001706,-0.0009642
Italian_Aosta_Valley,0.1269696,0.1460839,0.0392582 ,0.0047481,0.036976,-0.0015478,0.0024088,0.0028038,0.0102262,0.0219594,-0.004766,0.0049306,-0.0147248,-0.010356,0.0074986,0.0062582,0.0051892,-0.000285,0.003375,-0.0005378,0.0029261,0.0019476,-0.0009181,0.0081396,-5.98e-05
Italian_Apulia,0.1107119,0.1482673,-0.0037713,-0.0401381,0.0158388,-0.0151159,-0.0009557,-0.0016153,0.0027951,0.0206898,-0.0002273,0.0038765,-0.0064717,0.0011929,-0.0081071,-0.0038982,0.0016691,0.0005997,0.0027485,-0.0051524,-0.0038098,0.0019619,0.0017584,0.0014379,-0.0005667
Italian_Basilicata,0.1092701,0.1466877,-0.0049864,-0.0405186,0.0132674,-0.0153391,0.0010444,-0.0016667,0.0043403,0.019236,1e-07,0.0030306,-0.0071026,-0.0007799,-0.0090631,-0.0015763,0.0058818,-0.0003238,0.003366,-0.0051273,-0.0018854,0.0022396,0.0023007,0.002691,0.0003459
Italian_Bergamo,0.1238394,0.1507044,0.0306976,-0.0117572,0.0361914,-0.0026774,0.001081,0.0017076,0.010758,0.0276634,-0.0013966,0.0068042,-0.0128442,-0.0062756,-0.0034744,-0.0041634,-0.0003652,0.0006588,0.0051536,-0.0055526,-0.001048,-2.48e-05,-0.0041902,0.0037836,0.0009578
Italian_Calabria,0.1028203,0.1462363,-0.011942,-0.0466197,0.0125147,-0.0117133,-0.0024283,-0.0031537,0.0044993,0.0215037,0.000433,0.0027977,-0.0055003,-0.000963,-0.009636,-0.0052593,0.0068237,0.0009713,0.0051537,-0.003043,-0.0026203,-0.0023907,-0.0001643,0.0037753,0.00012
Italian_Campania,0.1077999,0.1480133,-0.0089094,-0.0436185,0.0137461,-0.0161523,-0.0004504,-0.002269,0.0041928,0.0222025,0.0007848,0.0023355,-0.0050607,-0.0017088,-0.0066447,-0.0007843,0.0027761,-0.0002586,0.0025872,-0.004028,-0.0040866,0.0018496,0.001058,0.0019682,0.0002893
Italian_Jew,0.0949283,0.1456271,-0.0186674,-0.0564927,0.0112941,-0.0245423,-0.003995,-0.002792,0.0128851,0.0191349,0.0045143,0.00021,0.0 021557,-0.0028762,-0.0066097,-0.0012331,-0.0011995,-0.0010515,-0.0011187,-0.0035893,-0.0039059,-0.0015456,-0.000123,0.0023617,0.0028741
Italian_Lazio,0.1146768,0.1525832,0.006694,-0.0350455,0.0213115,-0.0115738,0.0024675,0.000519,0.0068512,0.0234627,0 .001299,0.0028475,-0.007656,-0.0070875,-0.0068538,0.0041432,-0.000228,-0.0005068,0.0018225,-0.005065,-0.002745,0.0033695,-0.0003697,-0.0003613,-0.000479
Italian_Liguria,0.113823,0.146236,0.027153,-0.011951,0.029236,-0.002231,0.00235,0.001154,0.009613,0.025331,-0.009743,0.002847,-0.013082,0.001101,-0.001086,-0.012463,-0.00665,-0.00038,0.003771,0.00075,-0.00025,0.000989,0.003944,0.000723,0.000599
Italian_Lombardy,0.1245224,0.147861,0.0279822,-0.0137598,0.0327446,-0.007753,0.000658,0,0.0103898,0.0299232,-0.0025008,0.008932,-0.0143606,-0.0047066,-0.0008686,-0.0078758,-0.0083448,0.0017738,0.0034442,-0.004102,-0.002246,0.0012366,-0.0006656,0.0030602,0.0008382
Italian_Marche,0.1176646,0.1482038,0.0086029,-0.0290498,0.0213692,-0.0103538,0.0006462,-0.0031152,0.0061358,0.0213101,-0.0005888,0.0043836,-0.008548,-0.0016944,-0.0032828,-0.0023286,-0.000383,0.001259,0.0026948,-0.0033219,-0.0009671,0.0024574,0.0006394,0.0037278,-0.0016691
Italian_Molise,0.112685,0.146744,0.00132,-0.0334305,0.0155415,-0.0132475,0.004465,-0.003,0.00225,0.019408,0.003735,0.003372,-0.008102,-0.002684,-0.0071255,-0.0031155,0.005085,0.001837,0.0023255,-0.0080035,-0.0013725,0.0045135,-0.000801,0.0035545,0.0001195
Italian_Northeast,0.1256119,0.1435524,0.035611,0.0 017304,0.0354352,0.0020319,0.0031725,0.0020439,0.0 068808,0.0159456,-0.0023661,0.0047744,-0.0083887,-0.0003736,-0.0045758,0.0003598,0.0040232,0.0008869,0.0038337,-0.0025993,-0.0035295,0.0004328,-0.0017957,0.0045702,0.0003593
Italian_Piedmont,0.1213354,0.1473534,0.0208925,-0.0145996,0.0292668,-0.0058844,0.0028435,0.0001615,0.0074653,0.0241279,-0.0002273,0.0063544,-0.0098859,-0.0045141,-0.0015744,-0.0027048,0.0011213,0.0008997,0.0021747,-0.0038269,-0.0025705,0.0018548,-0.0024033,0.0038316,-0.0014967
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige,0.1250429,0.1459461,0.0346411,-0.0035069,0.0372377,-0.0033864,0.0033571,0.0029997,0.011307,0.0238729,-0.0030157,0.0050099,-0.0134431,-0.002831,-0.0005237,-0.0018751,0.0005961,0.001665,0.0042739,-0.0030194,-0.0014259,0.0028086,-0.0005106,0.000637,-0.0036781
Italian_Tuscany,0.1186036,0.1487413,0.0136014,-0.0204997,0.0261587,-0.0090546,-0.00047,-0.0013845,0.0074991,0.0238972,-0.0002273,0.0054552,-0.0118631,-0.0045965,-0.0023797,-0.0002917,0.0040332,0.0004815,0.0038463,-0.0023929,-0.0012063,0.0024647,-0.0010436,0.00388,-0.0015885
Italian_Umbria,0.1171113,0.1474776,0.0077941,-0.0279933,0.0200379,-0.0091724,-0.0008617,-0.0024103,0.0052267,0.025918,-0.0003788,0.0053953,-0.0101584,-0.0053214,-0.0024883,0.0005747,0.0069538,0.0005912,0.0010613,-0.0023344,-0.0034107,0.0007556,0.0003149,0.0030391,-0.0010911
Italian_Veneto,0.1256322,0.1482672,0.0303111,-0.0061572,0.0342755,-0.0004532,0.0020416,0.0020047,0.0100346,0.0230415,-0.0022328,0.0054889,-0.0105363,-0.0038189,-0.0026974,0.000953,0.0034796,0.0019557,0.0028518,-0.0042286,-0.0009982,0.0028594,-0.0001309,0.001318,-0.0021479
Sicilian_East,0.1031997,0.1465747,-0.007291,-0.0411287,0.0178493,-0.0153393,-0.0019583,7.7e-05,0.0075673,0.0213217,0.0073073,0.0038967,-0.0061447,0.0031193,-0.0059263,-0.006497,-0.0028683,-0.00114,0.0044833,-0.003877,-4.13e-05,0.0026793,-0.0018897,0.0022893,0.000399
Sicilian_West,0.1001643,0.1455593,-0.0003773,-0.03553,0.019388,-0.0098543,-0.0006267,0.0005383,0.013362,0.0222937,0.00341,0.0 030973,-0.00223,0.0018807,-0.002262,-0.003182,-0.0018687,-4.23e-05,-0.00088,-0.006128,0.000832,0.0008243,-0.0032043,-0.0034943,0.0002393
Sardinian,0.1216872,0.1672855,0.0284897,-0.0506523,0.060151,-0.0221337,-0.0039523,0.0024964,0.0415743,0.077351,-5.9e-05,0.0166487,-0.0286645,-0.012974,-0.013572,-0.0030013,0.0114027,-0.0013475,0.0016798,-0.0129947,-0.0021212,-0.0011018,-0.010084,-0.021383,0.0003375


No me varia, pero la distancia con Sicilia es esta:
0.07967036 Sicilian_Average

[Luso]

Te falta Sicilia, como ya hice la media, no la puse con el resto de los italianos, tampoco Cerdeña, que solo hay uno.

Estas son las sources originales, con las 3 referencias dos islas incluidas, no inclyo judíos italianos.


Target: Josef_scaled
Distance: 4.0150% / 0.04015028
73.2 Italian_Liguria
17.6 Italian_Aosta_Valley
9.2 Sardinian

Distance to: Josef_scaled
0.04169606 Italian_Liguria
0.04571474 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04601478 Italian_Lombardy
0.04667515 Italian_Bergamo
0.05000599 Italian_Veneto
0.05149844 Italian_Piedmont
0.05201113 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.05367852 Italian_Northeast
0.05709850 Italian_Tuscany
0.06348678 Italian_Marche
0.06533616 Italian_Umbria
0.06564915 Sicilian_West
0.06815307 Italian_Lazio
0.07332626 Italian_Molise
0.07333426 Italian_Abruzzo
0.07620069 Sicilian_East
0.07796167 Italian_Apulia
0.08000416 Italian_Basilicata
0.08275139 Italian_Campania
0.08603627 Italian_Calabria
0.09518024 Italian_Jew
0.09653224 Sardinian

[gixajo]

[B]Target: Xabier_scaled




Target: Josef_scaled
n

I want ideas, sugestions and opinions to choose 3-4 references representatives of South and North Italy to make averages, I didn´t post sources to make a model, only to make it easier for people to choose the best samples.:rolleyes:

[Luso]

I want ideas, sugestions and opinions to choose 3-4 references representatives of South and North Italy to make averages, I didn´t post sources to make a model, only to
make it easier for people to choose the best samples.:rolleyes:

Is there any Italians with interest in G25 samples here?

[gixajo]

Is there any Italians with interest in G25 samples here?


I don't know here, I suppose that in Anthrogenica there are. I will post there also.

Anyway, you don´t need to be Italian to opine.

[Rocinante]

Yo te lo hago dentro de un rato, pero mira son 6 divisiones practicamente:

Tyrol, Noreste, Noroeste, Centro, Sur y Cerdeña. Con eso bastaria, yo mas tarde te lo agrupo con calma.

[mitalit]

I want ideas, sugestions and opinions to choose 3-4 references representatives of South and North Italy to make averages, I didn´t post sources to make a model, only to make it easier for people to choose the best samples.:rolleyes:

I know, but I have freedom of speech.
Puede que mis resultados no sean muy útiles para la misión de este hilo, pero si son útiles para saber que La Peninsula Iberica= Norte de Italia.
Con esto llego a la conclusión de que no existe el norte de italia, existe el sur de italia y el menos sur de italia, las dos son igual de med. (es una bromita pero mejor en castellano para que nadie se sulfure).

[gixajo]

I know, but I have freedom of speech.
Puede que mis resultados no sean muy útiles para la misión de este hilo, pero si son útiles para saber que La Peninsula Iberica= Norte de Italia.
Con esto llego a la conclusión de que no existe el norte de italia, existe el sur de italia y el menos sur de italia, las dos son igual de med. (es una bromita pero mejor en castellano para que nadie se sulfure).

Eso es parecido a que no existe la mayoría de Francia, solo un poco en el centro y todo lo demás es ese centro más ibéricos, alemanes, británicos o italianos.;)

[Samnium]

Leave Italian Calabria, it's only three samples, and they are all very atypical. Italian Jews aren't ethnic Italians you can leave too.

You can do : Italy_Tuscany, Italy_Central (Lazio + Umbria + Marche), Italy_NW (Val d'Aosta), (Liguria + Piemonte, they are very similar), Italy_NE (Veneto + Friuli + Trentino + Italian North-East), Italy_Lombardy (Bergamo + Lombardy), Italy_Sicilian, Italy_SouthernMainland1 (Campania, Basilicata), Italy_SouthernMainland2 (Abruzzo, Molise, Apulia).

[gixajo]

Yo te lo hago dentro de un rato, pero mira son 6 divisiones practicamente:

Tyrol, Noreste, Noroeste, Centro, Sur y Cerdeña. Con eso bastaria, yo mas tarde te lo agrupo con calma.

Pues gracias, pero tampoco me quiero liar mucho, igual con 3-4 samples del Sur y 4 samples del Norte ya vale en plan como hicimos en su día con la península Ibérica.

[mitalit]

Eso es parecido a que no existe la mayoría de Francia, solo un poco en el centro y todo lo demás es ese centro más ibéricos, alemanes, británicos o italianos.;)
Todo lo que sea hacer desaparecer Francia me parece bien. ;)

[gixajo]

Todo lo que sea hacer desaparecer Francia me parece bien. ;)

Pues nosotros, con solo samples franceses e italianos, uno norteafricano y uno irlandés, nos podemos modelar igualmente sin usar ni uno solo español igualmente.

[Rocinante]

Pues gracias, pero tampoco me quiero liar mucho, igual con 3-4 samples del Sur y 4 samples del Norte ya vale en plan como hicimos en su día con la península Ibérica.

Calma hombre, por que te liarias con algo tan facil? Yo he estado estudiando un poquito la genetica italiana a detalle (para ser honestos, es mas interesante que la española debido a que esta ultima es muy homogenea) y puedo hacerte un breakdown sencillo y que deberia separarse de esa manera, debido a que hay diferencias geneticas en el Norte de Italia (un veneciano podria ser geneticamente mas parecido a alguien de Eslovenia que a un liguriano, quien a su vez es mas parecido a alguien del Sureste de Francia o Monaco), y hay otras diferencias a tomar en cuenta. En el siguiente post que hare, saldra el breakdown.

[gixajo]

Leave Italian Calabria, it's only three samples, and they are all very atypical. Italian Jews aren't ethnic Italians you can leave too.

You can do : Italy_Tuscany, Italy_Central (Lazio + Umbria + Marche), Italy_NW (Val d'Aosta), (Liguria + Piemonte, they are very similar), Italy_NE (Veneto + Friuli + Trentino + Italian North-East), Italy_Lombardy (Bergamo + Lombardy), Italy_Sicilian, Italy_SouthernMainland1 (Campania, Basilicata), Italy_SouthernMainland2 (Abruzzo, Molise, Apulia).

Ok, and 3-4 samples most representatives of North and 3-4 samples from South that do not overlap each other?(between North&South I mean)

would be a good Southern Italy sample=Campania+ Basilicata+(Abruzzo)+ Molise+Apulia

I read your answers after, i go for a walk.

Thanks.

[Deusex99]

Leave Campania out of this. Samples are not from academic studies.

[Rocinante]

Noroeste: Lombardia, Bergamo, Liguria y Piamonte.
Noreste: Trento y Veneto.
Centro: Abruzzo, Toscana, Lazio, Apulia, Umbria y Marche.
Cerdeña: Cerdeña.
Sur: Basilicata, Sicilia, Campania y Calabria.

Con eso bastaria, hay una homogeneidad entre referencias por sub-region, pero una vez que te sales de ahi, las cosas o cambian mucho o demasiado.

[Deusex99]

Case in point.

https://i.ibb.co/xf3b8X5/unnamed-2.jpg

[Defcon2]

Pues nosotros, con solo samples franceses e italianos, uno norteafricano y uno irlandés, nos podemos modelar igualmente sin usar ni uno solo español igualmente.

No mucho :D

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.1606% / 0.04160650
59.4 French_Brittany
22.6 Italian_Calabria
18.0 Moroccan_North


Distance to: Juan_scaled
0.07737078 French_Brittany
0.08649644 Italian_Calabria
0.09094098 Irish
0.17625417 Moroccan_North

[dududud]

Me:

Distance: 2.7045% / 0.02704513
48.2 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
32.0 Italian_Lombardy
19.2 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.6 Sardinian

0.02773651 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03025102 Italian_Bergamo
0.03124159 Italian_Lombardy
0.03388470 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03440156 Italian_Veneto
0.03492617 Italian_Northeast
0.03670853 Italian_Liguria
0.04176617 Italian_Piedmont
0.05216068 Italian_Tuscany
0.06092791 Italian_Marche
0.06290244 Italian_Umbria
0.06793961 Italian_Lazio
0.07328831 Italian_Molise
0.07432129 Italian_Abruzzo
0.07583838 Sicilian_West
0.07964238 Italian_Apulia
0.08252682 Sicilian_East
0.08285842 Italian_Basilicata
0.08656186 Italian_Campania
0.09127424 Italian_Calabria
0.09656363 Sardinian
0.10667455 Italian_Jew



Mother:
Distance: 2.4592% / 0.02459161
75.6 Italian_Lombardy
24.4 Sardinian

0.03261063 Italian_Lombardy
0.03450613 Italian_Bergamo
0.04152536 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04333024 Italian_Piedmont
0.04337742 Italian_Veneto
0.04376790 Italian_Liguria
0.04868318 Italian_Tuscany
0.05223106 Italian_Northeast
0.05415114 Italian_Marche
0.05455304 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.05514191 Italian_Lazio
0.05598304 Italian_Umbria
0.06375604 Italian_Abruzzo
0.06387026 Italian_Molise
0.06602535 Sicilian_West
0.06740685 Italian_Apulia
0.07048352 Sardinian
0.07118916 Italian_Basilicata
0.07122488 Sicilian_East
0.07356347 Italian_Campania
0.07942617 Italian_Calabria
0.09176165 Italian_Jew

[Vid Flumina]

Something like this :

North Italian : Bergamo, Veneto, Northeast
Central Italian : Tuscany, Marche
South Italian : Basilicata, Apulia, Campania

You can include a further reference for those who have more of a northern pull or minor Germanic ancestry :

Alpine Italian : Trentino-Alto Adige ALP071+ALP070, Aosta

[gixajo]

No mucho :D

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.1606% / 0.04160650
59.4 French_Brittany
22.6 Italian_Calabria
18.0 Moroccan_North


Distance to: Juan_scaled
0.07737078 French_Brittany
0.08649644 Italian_Calabria
0.09094098 Irish
0.17625417 Moroccan_North


:rolleyes:

[gixajo]

Case in point.

https://i.ibb.co/xf3b8X5/unnamed-2.jpg

Did you check differences between the average of 10 non academic and 14 academic samples?

Is there any notable difefrence between both apart that how they were obtained?

[gixajo]

No mucho :D

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 4.1606% / 0.04160650
59.4 French_Brittany
22.6 Italian_Calabria
18.0 Moroccan_North


Distance to: Juan_scaled
0.07737078 French_Brittany
0.08649644 Italian_Calabria
0.09094098 Irish
0.17625417 Moroccan_North


Pero me refiero con todos los samples, no con uno de cada, además los más distantes.

[Deusex99]

Did you check differences between the average of 10 non academic and 14 academic samples?

Is there any notable difefrence between both apart that how they were obtained?

I have neither checked nor I know how to do.

[gixajo]

I have neither checked nor I know how to do.

If you don´t know how to do coordinate means you can run all the Campania individual samples comparing them to closer regions like Apulia or Calabria or Basilicata, and check if different obtained samples are mixed/interspersed or form a block that is clearly, too close, or too far.if non academical refrences make up a block, you could be right, if they are mainly mised in their order in the distances list (not necessarily very homogenously) you could be wrong.

It´s not a very accurate method because samples could come from a different zone in the same region that have a different admixture, but if they are clearly distants that should show it.

And if they are not academic samples but are close to academic ones, for me they are ok in the same.

Is an alternative way to check it. me for now, I will use the Campania sample as if it was legit, maybe another day I lose my time in making averages of non and academical samples you show us to see their differences.

[Aren]

Leave Italian Calabria, it's only three samples, and they are all very atypical. Italian Jews aren't ethnic Italians you can leave too.

You can do : Italy_Tuscany, Italy_Central (Lazio + Umbria + Marche), Italy_NW (Val d'Aosta), (Liguria + Piemonte, they are very similar), Italy_NE (Veneto + Friuli + Trentino + Italian North-East), Italy_Lombardy (Bergamo + Lombardy), Italy_Sicilian, Italy_SouthernMainland1 (Campania, Basilicata), Italy_SouthernMainland2 (Abruzzo, Molise, Apulia).

Why include Aostans? They are historically Arpitan speakers.
Italy_Northeast has Slovenian/Austrian-like outliers so that should be left out.

[gixajo]

Noroeste: Lombardia, Bergamo, Liguria y Piamonte.
Noreste: Trento y Veneto.
Centro: Abruzzo, Toscana, Lazio, Apulia, Umbria y Marche.
Cerdeña: Cerdeña.
Sur: Basilicata, Sicilia, Campania y Calabria.

Con eso bastaria, hay una homogeneidad entre referencias por sub-region, pero una vez que te sales de ahi, las cosas o cambian mucho o demasiado.

Sicilia casa bien con el resto del Sur de Italia?, en MH y así suelen meterlos a todos juntos.

[Defcon2]

Pero me refiero con todos los samples, no con uno de cada, además los más distantes.

Pero eso ya sería hacer trampa :D es normal que con promedios de 100 regiones de los países cercanos obtenga una buena distancia, hay tanta variedad como para representar la ascendencia de todos los europeos incluso.

Target: Juan_scaled
Distance: 2.6831% / 0.02683102
43.2 Basque_French
23.6 Italian_Lombardy
14.6 Moroccan_North
13.0 Italian_Liguria
5.6 Irish

Target: German
Distance: 1.5331% / 0.01533130
48.2 French_Alsace
39.0 Irish
12.8 French_Seine-Maritime

Target: Romanian
Distance: 2.4872% / 0.02487163
88.2 Italian_Northeast
9.2 French_Seine-Maritime
2.6 Italian_Basilicata

Target: Greek_Thessaly
Distance: 1.2413% / 0.01241328
59.8 Italian_Apulia
34.0 Italian_Northeast
6.2 French_Seine-Maritime

Target: Swedish
Distance: 2.7534% / 0.02753351
100.0 Irish

Target: Croatian
Distance: 3.7600% / 0.03760019
46.6 French_Seine-Maritime
34.0 French_Alsace
19.4 Italian_Northeast

[gixajo]

Pero eso ya sería hacer trampa :D es normal que con promedios de 100 regiones de los países cercanos obtenga una buena distancia, hay tanta variedad como para representar la ascendencia de todos los europeos incluso.



Lo que es hacer trampa es coger el sample mas distante de cada país!!!

[Defcon2]

Lo que es hacer trampa es coger el sample mas distante de cada país!!!

Hombre, sirve para probar tu teoría de que escogiendo samples random de cada país cercano podría modelar a todos los españoles, está claro que no. Obviamente una muestra italiana del norte + sur de Francia se podría modelar bastante bien a un español.

[gixajo]

I will make a mix between what Samnium, Rocinante and VidFlumina suggested.

I will do it with Campania sample for now.

Doubts are: Adding Sicilia to the South average, and adding or not Bergamo/Lombardia and where, Northwest or NorthEast?


South=Campania+Basilicata+Apulia+Sicilia

Central=Tuscany+Marche+Lazio+Umbria

NorthEast=Veneto-Friuli+TrentinoAltoAdigie+Italian_NorthEast

NorthWest=ValdeAosta+Liguria+Piemonte

Are you agree?

Edit:i added italian NorthEast because I thought Veneto and Friuli were 2 different samples.:rolleyes:

[Defcon2]

I will make a mix between what Samnium, Rocinante and VidFlumina suggested.

I will do it with Campania sample for now.

Doubts are: Adding Sicilia to the South average, and adding or not Bergamo/Lombardia and where, Northwest or NorthEast?


South=Campania+Basilicata+Apulia+Sicilia

Central=Tuscany+Marche+Lazio+Umbria

NorthEast=Veneto+Friuli+TrentinoAltoAdigie

NorthWest=ValdeAosta+Liguria+Piemonte

Are you agree?

Una vez hice promedios de Italia separandolos en dos, ahora no me acuerdo de qué muestras utilicé para hacerlo.


North_Italy,0.1233471,0.14700055,0.03081834,-0.00690665,0.0339204,-0.00273766,0.00223906,0.0016094,0.00958434,0.02398 311,-0.00328104,0.00564268,-0.0121582,-0.00397185,-0.00091271,-0.00268889,-0.00011883,0.00089686,0.00360974,-0.00288958,-0.00114275,0.001513,-0.0008338,0.0032579,-0.00057853
South_Italy,0.10566103,0.14688977,-0.0062129,-0.04125893,0.01543405,-0.01391903,-0.00089583,-0.00134823,0.00612613,0.0212079,0.00195132,0.00317 238,-0.00541833,0.00045687,-0.00693987,-0.00353285,0.00206895,-0.00003228,0.00290978,-0.00455928,-0.00193523,0.001194,-0.00002353,0.00144457,0.0001378

[gixajo]

Una vez hice promedios de Italia separandolos en dos, ahora no me acuerdo de qué muestras utilicé para hacerlo.

A tí te suelen salir bastante representativos esos promedios, posiblemente tengan más éxito que los que haga yo, que los usen si quieren.

Si no me dicen nada, voy haciendo los que puse.

[gixajo]

Una vez hice promedios de Italia separandolos en dos, ahora no me acuerdo de qué muestras utilicé para hacerlo.

Están cerquita , como debe de ser el tuyo y el mío:

Target: Sout_Italian
Distance: 0.2812% / 0.00281245
100.0 South_Italy_Defcon2


Paso a los del Norte, antes me fumaré un cigarrito en la terraza. :D

Como relaja esto...

[gixajo]

South_Italian,0.10736598,0.14725883,-0.00537531,-0.04065114,0.01536774,-0.01480103,-0.00041355,-0.00131084,0.00544821,0.02098400,0.00147906,0.0031 8490,-0.00570559,0.00030105,-0.00697726,-0.00277458,0.00198963,-0.00014346,0.00262584,-0.00482755,-0.00234661,0.00195073,0.00064253,0.00137365,0.0000 9691
NorthEast_Italian,0.12542900,0.14592190,0.03352107 ,-0.00264457,0.03564947,-0.00060257,0.00285707,0.00234943,0.00940747,0.0209 5333,-0.00253820,0.00509107,-0.01078937,-0.00234117,-0.00259897,-0.00018743,0.00269963,0.00150253,0.00365313,-0.00328243,-0.00198453,0.00203360,-0.00081240,0.00217507,-0.00182223
Central_Italian,0.11701408,0.14925148,0.00917310,-0.02814708,0.02221933,-0.01003865,0.00044550,-0.00159775,0.00642820,0.02364700,0.00002603,0.0045 2040,-0.00955638,-0.00467495,-0.00375115,0.00052440,0.00259400,0.00045623,0.0023 5623,-0.00327855,-0.00208228,0.00226180,-0.00011475,0.00257140,-0.00120693
NorthWest_Italian,0.12070933,0.14655777,0.02910123 ,-0.00726750,0.03182627,-0.00322107,0.00253410,0.00137310,0.00910150,0.0238 0610,-0.00491210,0.00471067,-0.01256423,-0.00458970,0.00161273,-0.00296987,-0.00011317,0.00007823,0.00310690,-0.00120490,0.00003520,0.00159713,0.00020753,0.0042 3140,-0.00031917
Sardinian,0.1216872,0.1672855,0.0284897,-0.0506523,0.060151,-0.0221337,-0.0039523,0.0024964,0.0415743,0.077351,-5.9e-05,0.0166487,-0.0286645,-0.012974,-0.013572,-0.0030013,0.0114027,-0.0013475,0.0016798,-0.0129947,-0.0021212,-0.0011018,-0.010084,-0.021383,0.0003375

I think it´s done.

https://i.imgur.com/auhZXFz.png

Edit:added corrected coordinate and changed imeage with the new results.

[Rocinante]

Sout_Italian,0.10736598,0.14725883,-0.00537531,-0.04065114,0.01536774,-0.01480103,-0.00041355,-0.00131084,0.00544821,0.02098400,0.00147906,0.0031 8490,-0.00570559,0.00030105,-0.00697726,-0.00277458,0.00198963,-0.00014346,0.00262584,-0.00482755,-0.00234661,0.00195073,0.00064253,0.00137365,0.0000 9691
NorthEast_Italian,0.12542900,0.14592190,0.03352107 ,-0.00264457,0.03564947,-0.00060257,0.00285707,0.00234943,0.00940747,0.0209 5333,-0.00253820,0.00509107,-0.01078937,-0.00234117,-0.00259897,-0.00018743,0.00269963,0.00150253,0.00365313,-0.00328243,-0.00198453,0.00203360,-0.00081240,0.00217507,-0.00182223
Central_Italian,0.11701408,0.14925148,0.00917310,-0.02814708,0.02221933,-0.01003865,0.00044550,-0.00159775,0.00642820,0.02364700,0.00002603,0.0045 2040,-0.00955638,-0.00467495,-0.00375115,0.00052440,0.00259400,0.00045623,0.0023 5623,-0.00327855,-0.00208228,0.00226180,-0.00011475,0.00257140,-0.00120693
NorthWest_Italian,0.12070933,0.14655777,0.02910123 ,-0.00726750,0.03182627,-0.00322107,0.00253410,0.00137310,0.00910150,0.0238 0610,-0.00491210,0.00471067,-0.01256423,-0.00458970,0.00161273,-0.00296987,-0.00011317,0.00007823,0.00184990,-0.00120490,0.00003520,0.00159713,0.00020753,0.0042 3140,-0.00031917
Sardinian,0.1216872,0.1672855,0.0284897,-0.0506523,0.060151,-0.0221337,-0.0039523,0.0024964,0.0415743,0.077351,-5.9e-05,0.0166487,-0.0286645,-0.012974,-0.013572,-0.0030013,0.0114027,-0.0013475,0.0016798,-0.0129947,-0.0021212,-0.0011018,-0.010084,-0.021383,0.0003375

I think it´s done.

0.03973366 NorthWest_Italian
0.04104727 NorthEast_Italian
0.04930885 Central_Italian
0.06570161 Sout_Italian
0.09738753 Sardinian

Distance: 3.8783% / 0.03878300
43.6 NorthEast_Italian
40.6 NorthWest_Italian
9.2 Sout_Italian
6.6 Sardinian

Interesante.

[gixajo]

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.4995% / 0.03499517
76.2 NorthEast_Italian
13.8 Sardinian
10.0 NorthWest_Italian

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 2.9711% / 0.02971138
67.2 NorthWest_Italian
22.6 Sardinian
10.2 NorthEast_Italian

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.5184% / 0.04518395
66.0 NorthEast_Italian
26.0 NorthWest_Italian
8.0 Sardinian

Dentro de poco podremos mezclar todas las medias ibéricas, italianas, británicas y francesas e ir ampliando el círculo.

[gixajo]

hay una media que aún siendo pequeña la distancia me parece un poco rara, debería tener más ceros en su distancia, voy a volverla a hacer....

[Luso]

South_Italian,0.10736598,0.14725883,-0.00537531,-0.04065114,0.01536774,-0.01480103,-0.00041355,-0.00131084,0.00544821,0.02098400,0.00147906,0.0031 8490,-0.00570559,0.00030105,-0.00697726,-0.00277458,0.00198963,-0.00014346,0.00262584,-0.00482755,-0.00234661,0.00195073,0.00064253,0.00137365,0.0000 9691
NorthEast_Italian,0.12542900,0.14592190,0.03352107 ,-0.00264457,0.03564947,-0.00060257,0.00285707,0.00234943,0.00940747,0.0209 5333,-0.00253820,0.00509107,-0.01078937,-0.00234117,-0.00259897,-0.00018743,0.00269963,0.00150253,0.00365313,-0.00328243,-0.00198453,0.00203360,-0.00081240,0.00217507,-0.00182223
Central_Italian,0.11701408,0.14925148,0.00917310,-0.02814708,0.02221933,-0.01003865,0.00044550,-0.00159775,0.00642820,0.02364700,0.00002603,0.0045 2040,-0.00955638,-0.00467495,-0.00375115,0.00052440,0.00259400,0.00045623,0.0023 5623,-0.00327855,-0.00208228,0.00226180,-0.00011475,0.00257140,-0.00120693
NorthWest_Italian,0.12070933,0.14655777,0.02910123 ,-0.00726750,0.03182627,-0.00322107,0.00253410,0.00137310,0.00910150,0.0238 0610,-0.00491210,0.00471067,-0.01256423,-0.00458970,0.00161273,-0.00296987,-0.00011317,0.00007823,0.00184990,-0.00120490,0.00003520,0.00159713,0.00020753,0.0042 3140,-0.00031917
Sardinian,0.1216872,0.1672855,0.0284897,-0.0506523,0.060151,-0.0221337,-0.0039523,0.0024964,0.0415743,0.077351,-5.9e-05,0.0166487,-0.0286645,-0.012974,-0.013572,-0.0030013,0.0114027,-0.0013475,0.0016798,-0.0129947,-0.0021212,-0.0011018,-0.010084,-0.021383,0.0003375

I think it´s done.



Target: Josef_scaled
Distance: 4.3584% / 0.04358366
89.8 NorthWest_Italian
10.2 Sardinian

Distance to: Josef_scaled
0.04468224 NorthWest_Italian
0.04924307 NorthEast_Italian
0.06295546 Central_Italian
0.07749564 South_Italian
0.09653224 Sardinian

[gixajo]

Target: Josef_scaled
Distance: 4.3584% / 0.04358366
89.8 NorthWest_Italian
10.2 Sardinian



I changed NorthWest_Italian coordinates in the sources:


NorthWest_Italian,0.12070933,0.14655777,0.02910123 ,-0.00726750,0.03182627,-0.00322107,0.00253410,0.00137310,0.00910150,0.0238 0610,-0.00491210,0.00471067,-0.01256423,-0.00458970,0.00161273,-0.00296987,-0.00011317,0.00007823,0.00310690,-0.00120490,0.00003520,0.00159713,0.00020753,0.0042 3140,-0.00031917

[Luso]

I changed NorthWest_Italian coordinates in the sources:


NorthWest_Italian,0.12070933,0.14655777,0.02910123 ,-0.00726750,0.03182627,-0.00322107,0.00253410,0.00137310,0.00910150,0.0238 0610,-0.00491210,0.00471067,-0.01256423,-0.00458970,0.00161273,-0.00296987,-0.00011317,0.00007823,0.00310690,-0.00120490,0.00003520,0.00159713,0.00020753,0.0042 3140,-0.00031917

that source didn't change my results

[gixajo]

Hombre, sirve para probar tu teoría de que escogiendo samples random de cada país cercano podría modelar a todos los españoles, está claro que no. Obviamente una muestra italiana del norte + sur de Francia se podría modelar bastante bien a un español.

Es que yo no dije eso, yo no dije coger samples random, yo dije modelar con todas las referencias de francia e italia, y añadir dos samples sueltos que nos rasquen un poco mas de distancia.

[gixajo]

that source didn't change my results

I know but it´s more accurate.

[gixajo]

Porqué sale el Valle de Aosta NorthEast? Tiene mucho alemán por estar pegado a Suiza?

[Rocinante]

Porqué sale el Valle de Aosta NorthEast? Tiene mucho alemán por estar pegado a Suiza?

El valle de Aosta no es porque sea aleman, es porque es extremadamente frances. Su genetica no se diferencia en nada a los suizos franceses y por eso estan muy northwestern shifted, por eso yo tu no lo hubiese metido en el average.

[gixajo]

El valle de Aosta no es porque sea aleman, es porque es extremadamente frances. Su genetica no se diferencia en nada a los suizos franceses y por eso estan muy northwestern shifted, por eso yo tu no lo hubiese metido en el average.

Bueno, esto no es definitivo, se puede cambiar, hasta que no haga el thread correspondiente, este thread es para hacer pruebas.

[gixajo]

Curioso de todas formas, tampoco funciona mal , lo marca como noreste incluso formando parte de la media del noroeste.

[gixajo]

Tomorrow more, I go to the bed.

[gixajo]

El valle de Aosta no es porque sea aleman, es porque es extremadamente frances. Su genetica no se diferencia en nada a los suizos franceses y por eso estan muy northwestern shifted, por eso yo tu no lo hubiese metido en el average.

I will do tomorrow a new NorthWest sample with Lombardia+Bergamo+Liguria+Piedmont as you suggested.

But Lombardia and Bergamo...mmm:confused:

Bye

[Deusex99]

My proposed division.

Sardinia: Sardinia.
Sicily: Sicily East+Sicily West.
South Italy: Molise+Abruzzo+Apulia.
Center Italy: Tuscany+Umbria.
North Italy: Italian NorthEast+Italian Veneto.
Alps: Swiss Italian+Italian Trentino Alto Adige.

[Vid Flumina]

You are wasting your time with NW/NE hair splitting, main difference is between EEF-rich central plain (chiefly Lombardy) vs Steppe-rich outer plain (Western Piedmont/Eastern Veneto-Friuli) :

https://ilsizzi.wordpress.com/2019/03/23/smanettando-con-eurogenes-k13/

[Defcon2]

Es que yo no dije eso, yo no dije coger samples random, yo dije modelar con todas las referencias de francia e italia, y añadir dos samples sueltos que nos rasquen un poco mas de distancia.


:dancing: :joy :dancing:

:cheer_icoon:

:rotfl

:clap:

:clap

:party-smiley-007:

:rolleyes:

[gixajo]

I did an alternative NorthWest Italian sample:

NorthWest_Italian,=Italian_Bergamo,+Italian_Lombar dy,+Italian_Liguria,+Italian_Piedmont,


NorthWest_Italian_B,0.12088005,0.14803870,0.026681 33,-0.01301690,0.03185970,-0.00463645,0.00173313,0.00075578,0.00955653,0.0267 6138,-0.00346693,0.00623440,-0.01254318,-0.00359883,-0.00175085,-0.00680175,-0.00355968,0.00073808,0.00363588,-0.00318288,-0.00152863,0.00101390,-0.00082878,0.00284960,0.00022458

[gixajo]

You are wasting your time with NW/NE hair splitting, main difference is between EEF-rich central plain (chiefly Lombardy) vs Steppe-rich outer plain (Western Piedmont/Eastern Veneto-Friuli) :

https://ilsizzi.wordpress.com/2019/03/23/smanettando-con-eurogenes-k13/

I don´t care about wasting my time, don´t worry, those samples are not useless, I could mix both averages in an only North_Italian sample.

[gixajo]

:dancing: :joy :dancing:



Manipulador!!!


Pues nosotros, con solo samples franceses e italianos, uno norteafricano y uno irlandés, nos podemos modelar igualmente sin usar ni uno solo español igualmente.

[gixajo]

SouthernMailand_Italian sample (without Sicilian_Average):

Southern_Mainland_Italian,=Italian_Basilicata,+Ita lian_Campania,+Italian_Apulia,+Italian_Calabria (Yes, I used Calabria)


SouthernMainland_Italian,0.10765055,0.14730115,-0.00740228,-0.04272373,0.01384175,-0.01458015,-0.00069750,-0.00217618,0.00395688,0.02090800,0.00024765,0.0030 1008,-0.00603383,-0.00056470,-0.00836273,-0.00287953,0.00428768,0.00024715,0.00346385,-0.00433768,-0.00310053,0.00091510,0.00123820,0.00246810,0.0000 4713

[gixajo]

What do you think of this?

I leave it like that?:



South Italy:

Option A


Sout_Italian:A,0.10736598,0.14725883,-0.00537531,-0.04065114,0.01536774,-0.01480103,-0.00041355,-0.00131084,0.00544821,0.02098400,0.00147906,0.0031 8490,-0.00570559,0.00030105,-0.00697726,-0.00277458,0.00198963,-0.00014346,0.00262584,-0.00482755,-0.00234661,0.00195073,0.00064253,0.00137365,0.0000 9691

Sout_Italian:A,=Italian_Apulia,+Italian_Basilicata ,+Italian_Campania,+Sicilian_Average

Option B



South_Italian:Mainland,0.10765055,0.14730115,-0.00740228,-0.04272373,0.01384175,-0.01458015,-0.00069750,-0.00217618,0.00395688,0.02090800,0.00024765,0.0030 1008,-0.00603383,-0.00056470,-0.00836273,-0.00287953,0.00428768,0.00024715,0.00346385,-0.00433768,-0.00310053,0.00091510,0.00123820,0.00246810,0.0000 4713
South_Italain:Sicilian,0.10168200,0.14606700,-0.00383415,-0.03832935,0.01861865,-0.01259680,-0.00129250,0.00030765,0.01046465,0.02180770,0.0053 5865,0.00349700,-0.00418735,0.00250000,-0.00409415,-0.00483950,-0.00236850,-0.00059115,0.00180165,-0.00500250,0.00039535,0.00175180,-0.00254700,-0.00060250,0.00031915


South_Italian:Mainland,=Italian_Basilicata,+Italia n_Campania,+Italian_Apulia,+Italian_Calabria,

South_Italian:Sicilian,=Sicilian_East,+Sicilian_We st,

Center Italy:


Central_Italian:A,0.11701408,0.14925148,0.00917310 ,-0.02814708,0.02221933,-0.01003865,0.00044550,-0.00159775,0.00642820,0.02364700,0.00002603,0.0045 2040,-0.00955638,-0.00467495,-0.00375115,0.00052440,0.00259400,0.00045623,0.0023 5623,-0.00327855,-0.00208228,0.00226180,-0.00011475,0.00257140,-0.00120693

Central_Italian:A,=Italian_Marche,+Italian_Lazio,+ Italian_Tuscany,+Italian_Umbria,


North Italy:

Option A


North_Italian:NWest_ItalianB,0.12088005,0.14803870 ,0.02668133,-0.01301690,0.03185970,-0.00463645,0.00173313,0.00075578,0.00955653,0.0267 6138,-0.00346693,0.00623440,-0.01254318,-0.00359883,-0.00175085,-0.00680175,-0.00355968,0.00073808,0.00363588,-0.00318288,-0.00152863,0.00101390,-0.00082878,0.00284960,0.00022458
North_Italian:NEast_ItalianA,0.12542900,0.14592190 ,0.03352107,-0.00264457,0.03564947,-0.00060257,0.00285707,0.00234943,0.00940747,0.0209 5333,-0.00253820,0.00509107,-0.01078937,-0.00234117,-0.00259897,-0.00018743,0.00269963,0.00150253,0.00365313,-0.00328243,-0.00198453,0.00203360,-0.00081240,0.00217507,-0.00182223
North_Italian:NWest_Italian_Aosta-Valley,0.1269696,0.1460839,0.0392582,0.0047481,0.0 36976,-0.0015478,0.0024088,0.0028038,0.0102262,0.0219594,-0.004766,0.0049306,-0.0147248,-0.010356,0.0074986,0.0062582,0.0051892,-0.000285,0.003375,-0.0005378,0.0029261,0.0019476,-0.0009181,0.0081396,-5.98e-05


North_Italian:NWest_ItalianB,=Italian_Bergamo,+Ita lian_Lombardy,+Italian_Liguria,+Italian_Piedmont,

North_Italian:NEast_ItalianA,=Italian_Veneto,+Ital ian_Trentino-Alto-Adige,+Italian_Northeast,

North_Italian:NWest_Italian_Aosta-Valley,=Italian_Aosta-Valley

Option B


North_Italian:NWest_ItalianA,0.12070933,0.14655777 ,0.02910123,-0.00726750,0.03182627,-0.00322107,0.00253410,0.00137310,0.00910150,0.0238 0610,-0.00491210,0.00471067,-0.01256423,-0.00458970,0.00161273,-0.00296987,-0.00011317,0.00007823,0.00310690,-0.00120490,0.00003520,0.00159713,0.00020753,0.0042 3140,-0.00031917
North_Italian:NEast_ItalianA,0.12542900,0.14592190 ,0.03352107,-0.00264457,0.03564947,-0.00060257,0.00285707,0.00234943,0.00940747,0.0209 5333,-0.00253820,0.00509107,-0.01078937,-0.00234117,-0.00259897,-0.00018743,0.00269963,0.00150253,0.00365313,-0.00328243,-0.00198453,0.00203360,-0.00081240,0.00217507,-0.00182223


North_Italian:NEast_ItalianA,=Italian_Veneto,+Ital ian_Trentino-Alto-Adige,+Italian_Northeast,

North_Italian:NWest_ItalianA=Italian_Aosta_Valley, +Italian_Piedmont,+Italian_Liguria,

Sardinian


Sardinian,0.1216872,0.1672855,0.0284897,-0.0506523,0.060151,-0.0221337,-0.0039523,0.0024964,0.0415743,0.077351,-5.9e-05,0.0166487,-0.0286645,-0.012974,-0.013572,-0.0030013,0.0114027,-0.0013475,0.0016798,-0.0129947,-0.0021212,-0.0011018,-0.010084,-0.021383,0.0003375

Sardinian,=Sardinian

Edit:I change reference names.

[dududud]

Distance: 3.0695% / 0.03069495
78.0 NorthEast_Italian
15.6 NorthWest_Italian
6.4 Sardinian

0.03149306 NorthEast_Italian
0.03262681 NorthWest_Italian
0.06052799 Central_Italian
0.08157832 Sout_Italian
0.09656363 Sardinian


Mother:
Distance: 2.9332% / 0.02933249
41.0 NorthEast_Italian
34.0 Sardinian
25.0 NorthWest_Italian

0.04379811 NorthWest_Italian
0.04522853 NorthEast_Italian
0.05274046 Central_Italian
0.06960058 Sout_Italian
0.07048352 Sardinian

[crazyladybutterfly]

Is there any Italians with interest in G25 samples here?
I am but where do I buy it? I forgot the creator s email.

[crazyladybutterfly]

I do not understand why you are putting aside Sicily but not Calabria .

I suggest

1= Sicily and Calabria
2= Abruzzo and Molise (Molise is more north shifted due to Longobard settlers)
3= the rest.

[gixajo]

I do not understand why you are putting aside Sicily but not Calabria .

I suggest

1= Sicily and Calabria
2= Abruzzo and Molise (Molise is more north shifted due to Longobard settlers)
3= the rest.



The problem with Calabria is that the sample is done only with 3 individuals so could be doubts about its representativity of whole Calabria.

You have 2 different options for South Italy, in one of them I added Calabria, (Southern_Italian_Mainland) and this source is completed using the Sicilian sample, that is the mean between East and West Sicilian.

I think the result is quite complete, and even you have several options to choose in some of them to get better representative results.

[gixajo]

I am but where do I buy it? I forgot the creator s email.

eurogenesblog@gmail.com

raw data+12 $ payed by PayPal to the same email

[Deusex99]

Did you check differences between the average of 10 non academic and 14 academic samples?

Is there any notable difefrence between both apart that how they were obtained?

I can't do it right now. You should probably just use the 14 samples from Raveane et al and the 2 from Lazaridis et al (ITS2 and ITS4) and label it Campania academic samples.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18GcEVEl3GI-ByviD-TgQQjvEaaTbNTr2/view

[crazyladybutterfly]

eurogenesblog@gmail.com

raw data+12 $ payed by PayPal to the same email
It works only with PayPal? :O

[gixajo]

It works only with PayPal? :O

I don´t know if he accept another payment way, but probably you can go where he lives and give him the money in cash directly.

What is the problem with PayPal? If you have a credit/debit card you can get an account in 5 minuts.

[Deusex99]

I've checked it again and apparently Swiss Italian has many southern outliers. Better not to use it.

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/110/29/11791/F1.large.jpg

[Ethel]

Hi,

NE Italy can be easily done by grouping Italian_Veneto + Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige + Italian_Northeast (Triveneto region).

For C. Italy, I'd go for Italian_Lazio + Italian_Tuscany + Italian_Umbria + Italian_Marche.
(Abruzzo is "ethnically" Southern Italian)

S. Italy: Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Apulia + Italian_Basilicata + Italian_Calabria* + Italian_Campania + Italian_Molise* + Sicilian_East
I didn't put Sicilian_West bc they're abnormally plotting with Central Italians (lack of samples?).

*Some here mentioned Calabrese avg isn't well represented because there are three samples only, but honestly I've being using it and IMO I don't think they're too outlying, there are some Campanian individual samples very similar to them. If you think it's better to remove the Italian_Calabria avg, consider also removing Italian_Molise, since it's composed of only two samples and it's quite central-italian shifted, otherwise the "northern" part of South Italy would be overrepresented. To summarize, I'd put both Calabria and Molise or remove both, but I'd certanly remove Sicilian_West.

NW Italy is a problem. Swiss_Italian is acting almost as a Tuscan avg for some reason and Italian_Piedmont is pretty shaky.
I've read people saying Italian_Piedmont samples are from Val Borbera, which is "ethnically" Ligurian, I'm not sure if this is the case, could someone here confirm? :confused:
Anyways, a NW Italy sample would have a huge hole because it's missing the piece that would practically be its protagonist: a consistent Italian_Piedmont avg.
I'm not sure how I would group them together :icon_ask:

[Samnium]

Hi,
*Some here mentioned Calabrese avg isn't well represented because there are three samples only, but honestly I've being using it and IMO I don't think they're too outlying, there are some Campanian individual samples very similar to them. If you think it's better to remove the Italian_Calabria avg, consider also removing Italian_Molise, since it's composed of only two samples and it's quite central-italian shifted, otherwise the "northern" part of South Italy would be overrepresented. To summarize, I'd put both Calabria and Molise or remove both, but I'd certanly remove Sicilian_West.

They are very outlying, I've seen probably dozens of Calabrian results on Gedmatch, the vast majority of them coming from Reggio Calabria/Vibo Valentia, and these G25 samples are even more outlying than what your average southern calabrian would be.

[Deusex99]

Sicilian West has 3-4% WHG admix for some reason. Probably recent Norman admixture?

You should probably just use this.

Italian_South samples are from Naples (ITS2 ; ITS4), Belvedere Marittimo (BEL57) and Crispiano (ITS7) :


Italian_South_BEL57,0.108132,0.150298,-0.009051,-0.04199,0.009232,-0.003347,-0.004935,-0.002769,0.002659,0.019864,0.001949,0.003447,-0.002081,0.003441,-0.009229,-0.012198,0.005346,0.003547,0.007416,-5e-04,-0.002496,-0.006925,0.00456,0.010724,0.002036
Italian_South_ITS2,0.113823,0.137096,-0.004525,-0.038114,0.00277,-0.013945,0.00282,-0.002538,-0.001841,0.016948,-0.004384,0.006894,-0.005798,-0.006055,-0.007872,0.002387,-0.000782,0.002914,0.006159,-0.001876,-0.004742,0.000866,-0.001725,-0.007109,0.002754
Italian_South_ITS4,0.100164,0.153345,-0.010182,-0.039406,0.010463,-0.015339,0.003995,-0.004384,0.001227,0.023873,-0.003085,0.006744,0.000595,-0.000688,-0.004343,-0.002784,0.001043,-0.004434,0.005154,0.006878,-0.00287,0.003833,0.003451,-0.000361,-0.000958
Italian_South_ITS7,0.10927,0.14319,0.004525,-0.036499,0.02462,-0.013666,-0.002585,-0.002077,0.003681,0.016766,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.007582,-0.003991,-0.002443,-0.002519,-0.00352,0.00228,0.00176,-0.005878,-0.003743,0.005688,0.001602,-0.000482,0.002515


Italian_South,0.1078472,0.14598220018232,-0.0059717,-0.0037785,0.0005218,0.0010768,0.0051222,-0.000344,-0.0034628,0.0008655,0.001972,0.000693,0.0015868

[Deusex99]

Total Euro score (WHG+Steppe+farmer) for pops:

Apulia: 80
Campania :78,4
Lazio:85
Molise: 84,2
Calabria: 77,8
Basilicata: 80,4
Abruzzo 82,4
Italian_South: 80.

[gixajo]

Sicilian West has 3-4% WHG admix for some reason. Probably recent Norman admixture?

You should probably just use this.

Italian_South samples are from Naples (ITS2 ; ITS4), Belvedere Marittimo (BEL57) and Crispiano (ITS7) :


Italian_South_BEL57,0.108132,0.150298,-0.009051,-0.04199,0.009232,-0.003347,-0.004935,-0.002769,0.002659,0.019864,0.001949,0.003447,-0.002081,0.003441,-0.009229,-0.012198,0.005346,0.003547,0.007416,-5e-04,-0.002496,-0.006925,0.00456,0.010724,0.002036
Italian_South_ITS2,0.113823,0.137096,-0.004525,-0.038114,0.00277,-0.013945,0.00282,-0.002538,-0.001841,0.016948,-0.004384,0.006894,-0.005798,-0.006055,-0.007872,0.002387,-0.000782,0.002914,0.006159,-0.001876,-0.004742,0.000866,-0.001725,-0.007109,0.002754
Italian_South_ITS4,0.100164,0.153345,-0.010182,-0.039406,0.010463,-0.015339,0.003995,-0.004384,0.001227,0.023873,-0.003085,0.006744,0.000595,-0.000688,-0.004343,-0.002784,0.001043,-0.004434,0.005154,0.006878,-0.00287,0.003833,0.003451,-0.000361,-0.000958
Italian_South_ITS7,0.10927,0.14319,0.004525,-0.036499,0.02462,-0.013666,-0.002585,-0.002077,0.003681,0.016766,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.007582,-0.003991,-0.002443,-0.002519,-0.00352,0.00228,0.00176,-0.005878,-0.003743,0.005688,0.001602,-0.000482,0.002515


Italian_South,0.1078472,0.14598220018232,-0.0059717,-0.0037785,0.0005218,0.0010768,0.0051222,-0.000344,-0.0034628,0.0008655,0.001972,0.000693,0.0015868

How can we consider representative a sample for all Sout Italy with only 4 individual averages?

The only problem that could be is between NorthEast and NorthWest because they are ambiguous zones.

And you posted wrongly coordinates of your South sample.

https://i.imgur.com/7s5hB5N.png

Edit: I´ve posted the results of Ancien Components Model of Celtibero for the references you posted ancient composition.

[gixajo]

They are very outlying, I've seen probably dozens of Calabrian results on Gedmatch, the vast majority of them coming from Reggio Calabria/Vibo Valentia, and these G25 samples are even more outlying than what your average southern calabrian would be.

Gedmatch results and G25 not always show exactly the same, better compare gedmatch results vs gedmatch results and G25 ves G25 ones.

[Deusex99]

How can we consider representative a sample for all Sout Italy with only 4 individual averages?

The only problem that could be is between NorthEast and NorthWest because they are ambiguous zones.

And you posted wrongly coordinates of your South sample.

https://i.imgur.com/7s5hB5N.png

Edit: I´ve posted the results of Ancien Components Model of Celtibero for the references you posted ancient composition.

OK that's good for me.

[Deusex99]

How can we consider representative a sample for all Sout Italy with only 4 individual averages?

The only problem that could be is between NorthEast and NorthWest because they are ambiguous zones.

And you posted wrongly coordinates of your South sample.

https://i.imgur.com/7s5hB5N.png

Edit: I´ve posted the results of Ancien Components Model of Celtibero for the references you posted ancient composition.

OK that's good for me.

Anyway I've checked the list of Campanians from Raveane et al on G25 and 4 of them have like significant recent north African admixture. It's obvious that they are not natives since none of the other S. Italians or Sicilians have any of that. It looks like this mess of study have lumped for some reason a lot of mixed outliers inside the Campania cluster. A total shitshow.

Notice that the 8 samples from 23andme are similar to Apulians in their ancestry proportions (total Euro 79,8 vs 80).

[Deusex99]

For comparison 8 Campanians from 23andme.

https://i.ibb.co/DLW6BK6/Screenshot-20200711-012413.jpg

Total Euro score: 79,3

Apulia and Basilicata.

https://i.ibb.co/jkrRGZY/Screenshot-20200711-012524.jpg

Total Euro score: 80,2

It doesn't really surprise me. After all, nowhere in Raveane et al they claim that they have checked the ancestry of their samples.

[Deusex99]

Double post.

[kleenex]

0.02822096 Italian_Marche
0.03157852 Italian_Molise
0.03232864 Italian_Tuscany
0.03262542 Italian_Umbria
0.03323048 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03359731 Italian_Apulia
0.03534251 Italian_Lazio
0.03578774 Italian_Piedmont
0.03702118 Italian_Basilicata
0.04157102 Italian_Campania
0.04170805 Italian_Liguria
0.04204006 Italian_Lombardy
0.04381199 Italian_Bergamo
0.04465273 Italian_Calabria
0.04491467 Italian_Veneto

Distance: 2.5241% / 0.02524080
66.2 Italian_Apulia
33.0 Italian_Northeast
0.8 Italian_Lombardy