View Full Version : Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Results v2
Ion Basescul
02-12-2021, 08:33 PM
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users from Moldova with the above
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Distance to:
IonBasescul_MyHeritage
2.77969423
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
3.58732491
Moldova_Balti_judet
3.74490320
Moldova_Orhei_judet
3.89702451
Moldova_Chisinau_city
4.05478729
Moldova_Balti_city
4.85363781
Moldova_Edinet_judet
4.91005092
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
5.78806531
Moldova_Soroca_judet
6.37540587
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
7.38778722
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
7.64786898
Moldova_Cahul_judet
9.90033838
Moldova_Tighina_judet
12.81289975
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
13.66078329
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
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Distance to:
IonBasescul_brother_MyHeritage
3.71718980
Moldova_Balti_judet
4.61095435
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
4.63793057
Moldova_Chisinau_city
5.55776034
Moldova_Orhei_judet
5.75297314
Moldova_Balti_city
5.80480835
Moldova_Edinet_judet
5.87990646
Moldova_Soroca_judet
6.54397433
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
6.82810369
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
9.01244695
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
9.74080592
Moldova_Cahul_judet
11.17638135
Moldova_Tighina_judet
13.73416907
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
15.36722486
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
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Distance to:
IonBasescul_mom_MyHeritage
5.81418954
Moldova_Balti_judet
6.33769674
Moldova_Soroca_judet
7.16145935
Moldova_Chisinau_city
7.37307941
Moldova_Edinet_judet
8.34228985
Moldova_Balti_city
8.40104755
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
8.44172968
Moldova_Orhei_judet
9.60092183
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
10.13698673
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
11.29131967
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
13.39261737
Moldova_Cahul_judet
14.61928863
Moldova_Tighina_judet
17.01576034
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
19.37632834
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
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Distance to:
IonBasescul_dad_MyHeritage
2.56355222
Moldova_Orhei_judet
3.75898923
Moldova_Balti_judet
4.10075603
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
4.11749924
Moldova_Balti_city
4.30156948
Moldova_Edinet_judet
4.63047514
Moldova_Chisinau_city
5.24173635
Moldova_Soroca_judet
6.37067500
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
6.48553005
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
7.76761868
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
9.91227522
Moldova_Cahul_judet
11.97109853
Moldova_Tighina_judet
14.66974778
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
15.62024007
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
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Distance to:
Zmey_Gorynych_?
2.56230365
Moldova_Balti_judet
3.18003145
Moldova_Soroca_judet
3.75335850
Moldova_Chisinau_city
4.42668047
Moldova_Edinet_judet
4.63661514
Moldova_Balti_city
4.72575920
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
5.12763103
Moldova_Orhei_judet
6.63660305
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
6.79247378
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
8.72524498
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
9.98671117
Moldova_Cahul_judet
11.47774368
Moldova_Tighina_judet
14.38589239
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
16.05560027
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
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Distance to:
superjelly40_23andme
5.74622485
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
6.68620221
Moldova_Orhei_judet
7.13275543
Moldova_Edinet_judet
7.18171289
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
7.52366267
Moldova_Balti_city
7.75403766
Moldova_Balti_judet
8.07341316
Moldova_Chisinau_city
8.69476854
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
9.11505897
Moldova_Cahul_judet
9.93111273
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
10.08080850
Moldova_Soroca_judet
12.15316831
Moldova_Tighina_judet
14.88822353
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
15.21787107
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
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Ion Basescul
02-12-2021, 08:34 PM
From Cahul (Cahul county = Cahul, Cantemir)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Cahul_judet.svg/250px-Cahul_judet.svg.png
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Kit
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
1
19.20
26.97
17.98
13.72
17.17
0.71
1.21
0.13
2.11
0.16
0
0
0.65
2
22.07
26.71
18.53
10.16
16.05
0.68
1.97
0.24
1.77
0.81
1.01
0
0
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Compared to others from Cahul county
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
25.66
20.54
19.38
7.46
19.11
3.14
0
1.73
1.97
0
0.31
0.71
0
23.37
29.63
18.88
7.42
15.59
1.27
0.18
2.08
0.93
0
0.35
0.31
0
25.52
22.73
18.64
10.79
16.15
1.81
0.56
0.39
1.59
1.43
0.39
0
0
22.29
23.14
18.52
9.30
22.34
0.76
0
0.51
1.65
0.89
0.23
0.38
0
22.37
27.22
20.67
11.29
12.72
2.47
0.35
0
2.30
0.43
0.19
0
0
22.73
24.91
19.63
10.59
16.07
1.66
1.38
0.20
1.36
0.94
0.53
0
0
26.62
25.42
17.46
6.44
18.72
2.83
0.23
1.27
0.54
0.37
0
0
0.10
24.24
30.96
16.93
9.20
12.37
3.87
0
0.26
0.80
0.63
0.73
0
0
18.04
26.87
17.24
12.49
19.31
2.99
0.68
0.27
1.35
0.76
0
0
0
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1
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Distance to:
Cahul_1
4.81781071
Moldova_South
5.07747969
Romania_Muntenia
5.11949216
Romania_Dobruja
5.12926895
Bulgaria_Northcentral
5.20601575
Romania_Banat
5.24370098
Romania_Wallachia
5.49463375
Bulgaria_average
5.51018149
Pomak_Greece
5.57270132
Bulgaria_Northwestern
5.70549735
Romania_average
5.77614924
Moldova_South_Gagauzia
5.84894007
Bulgaria_Southcentral
5.85556146
Bulgaria_Southwestern
6.00762848
Romania_Oltenia
6.51195823
Serb_south
6.51310218
Bulgaria_Northeastern
6.62246933
Romania_Transylvania
6.63983434
Romania_Moldavia_South
6.87339800
Bulgaria_Southeastern
6.94041785
Bosniak_Sandzak
7.10696138
Montenegrin
7.39907427
Moldova_average
7.59593970
Romania_Maramures
7.69666811
Moldova_Centre
7.91029709
Romania_Crisana
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Distance to:
Cahul_1
4.81781071
Moldova_South
5.77614924
Moldova_South_Gagauzia
7.39907427
Moldova_average
7.69666811
Moldova_Centre
9.11576108
Moldova_Bulgarian
11.31372618
Moldova_North
17.31161749
Ukrainian_Carpathian
17.39270537
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
20.27027380
Moldova_Ukrainian
20.28462718
Ukrainian_Galicia
24.13626939
Crimean_Tatar
25.21190195
Ukrainian
26.84024590
Ukrainian_Belgorod
27.04339846
Moldova_Jewish
27.12109327
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
29.52090446
Russian_Smolensk
30.43811919
Moldova_Roma
35.87594363
Russian_Pinega
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Target: Cahul_1
Distance: 2.8867% / 2.88668142 | ADC: 0.25x RC
68.0 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
28.7 Moldova_North
3.3 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
-Gagauz
Target: Cahul_1
Distance: 4.2322% / 4.23220544 | ADC: 0.25x RC
83.6 Moldova_South
8.8 Moldova_North
7.6 Crimean_Tatar
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Distance to:
Cahul_1
5.00477772
Moldova_Tighina_judet
5.44236162
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
5.59368394
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
5.77094446
Moldova_Cahul_judet
6.10210619
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
8.50596849
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
8.64706887
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
8.68292002
Moldova_Chisinau_city
9.84684721
Moldova_Balti_judet
9.95941765
Moldova_Balti_city
10.72087683
Moldova_Soroca_judet
11.14067323
Moldova_Orhei_judet
11.97060984
Moldova_Edinet_judet
15.02975050
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
15.06709992
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
20.27027380
Moldova_Ukrainian
27.04339846
Moldova_Jewish
30.43811919
Moldova_Roma
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2
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Distance to:
Cahul_2
3.10140291
Romania_Banat
3.10811840
Romania_average
3.39150409
Romania_Moldavia_South
3.44249909
Romania_Transylvania
3.68359878
Romania_Oltenia
3.72177377
Moldova_South
3.81673945
Serb_south
4.00171213
Romania_Dobruja
4.05362800
Romania_Wallachia
4.07536501
Romania_Maramures
4.11568949
Romania_Crisana
4.12539695
Bulgaria_Northwestern
4.24245212
Montenegrin
4.42424005
Romania_Muntenia
4.45074151
Bosniak_Sandzak
4.73145855
Serb
4.77352071
Bulgaria_Southwestern
5.04505699
Serb_central
5.29646108
Bulgaria_average
5.40747631
Moldova_average
5.50048180
Bulgaria_Northcentral
5.62832124
Moldova_Centre
6.07833859
Serb_north
6.08390500
Romania_Moldavia_North
6.08851378
Bulgaria_Southcentral
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Distance to:
Cahul_2
3.72177377
Moldova_South
5.40747631
Moldova_average
5.62832124
Moldova_Centre
7.68652067
Moldova_South_Gagauzia
8.73539925
Moldova_Bulgarian
9.72573391
Moldova_North
14.96025067
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
15.10495283
Ukrainian_Carpathian
18.13344424
Ukrainian_Galicia
18.43867403
Moldova_Ukrainian
23.54969002
Ukrainian
25.53203478
Crimean_Tatar
25.80784571
Ukrainian_Belgorod
27.80386664
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
27.88114596
Russian_Smolensk
28.14713307
Moldova_Jewish
31.22172961
Moldova_Roma
34.55198014
Russian_Pinega
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Target: Cahul_2
Distance: 2.5695% / 2.56951476 | ADC: 0.25x RC
77.3 Moldova_South
17.6 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
5.1 Moldova_Roma
-IV
Target: Cahul_2
Distance: 2.9260% / 2.92597224 | ADC: 0.25x RC
67.2 Moldova_South
31.3 Moldova_average
1.5 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
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Distance to:
Cahul_2
2.55364445
Moldova_Cahul_judet
3.96726606
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
3.98597541
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
5.29345823
Moldova_Tighina_judet
6.02658278
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
6.62996229
Moldova_Chisinau_city
7.44206289
Moldova_Balti_city
7.82867805
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
8.18625067
Moldova_Balti_judet
8.79015358
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
9.19921192
Moldova_Soroca_judet
9.22460297
Moldova_Orhei_judet
9.50496712
Moldova_Edinet_judet
12.35671477
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
13.14459204
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
18.43867403
Moldova_Ukrainian
28.14713307
Moldova_Jewish
31.22172961
Moldova_Roma
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Would be good to recalculate the Dodecad averages using this simplified administrative division (North, Center, South; Gagauzia is not needed).
Ion Basescul
02-12-2021, 10:57 PM
From Ungheni (Ungheni county = Ungheni, Calarasi, Nisporeni)
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Kit
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
Calarasi
24.32
30.94
15.31
6.68
16.90
2.27
0
0
2.32
0.82
0.08
0
0.36
Nisporeni
24.36
30.90
13.79
11.04
16.23
0
0
0
1.42
0.93
0.64
0
0.67
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Compared to others from Ungheni county
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
21.68
26.21
19.78
10.56
18.48
1.17
0
0.30
0.83
0
1.00
0
0
18.73
29.21
15.46
10.82
21.13
0.92
0.39
0
0.68
0.23
1.70
0
0.72
25.67
30.44
14.31
11.10
13.20
1.84
0
1.54
1.40
0
0.46
0
0
20.97
28.32
16.75
15.15
13.12
1.01
1.75
1.32
0
0.79
0.30
0
0.52
22.09
27.18
15.47
11.01
18.69
2.49
0
0.50
1.91
0.65
0
0
0
25.81
29.74
13.91
8.57
16.77
1.27
1.19
0.95
0.49
0.65
0.39
0
0.25
25.37
28.72
15.23
10.56
13.75
1.85
1.45
0
1.38
0.70
0.74
0
0.26
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Calarasi
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Distance to:
Calarasi
3.83357535
Romania_Moldavia_North
3.94261335
Serb_central
4.15636861
Serb_north
4.22645241
Serb
4.46907149
Moldova_Centre
4.51610452
Moldova_average
4.59756457
Bosniak
4.63044274
Romania_Maramures
4.84306721
Croat_South
5.69014060
Serb_south
5.70875643
Romania_Moldavia_South
6.12084961
Croat_West
6.34729076
Székely
6.40011719
Romania_Crisana
6.62117814
Romania_Transylvania
6.71695616
Moldova_North
6.82285864
Romania_average
6.87018923
Croat_East
6.94724406
Croat
7.17203597
Hungarian_Transylvania
7.27306675
Bulgaria_Northwestern
7.40116207
Montenegrin
7.42043125
Csángó-Ceangău
7.48346845
Romania_Banat
8.00080621
Romania_Oltenia
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Distance to:
Calarasi
4.46907149
Moldova_Centre
4.51610452
Moldova_average
6.71695616
Moldova_North
8.15640852
Moldova_South
9.97615657
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
10.69401702
Ukrainian_Carpathian
12.82859306
Moldova_South_Gagauzia
13.71390535
Moldova_Bulgarian
13.77265770
Moldova_Ukrainian
13.91903732
Ukrainian_Galicia
18.93462701
Ukrainian
21.56231203
Ukrainian_Belgorod
23.27175756
Russian_Smolensk
27.85260131
Crimean_Tatar
28.55619723
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
29.98748291
Russian_Pinega
31.07917470
Moldova_Jewish
36.02344237
Moldova_Roma
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Target: Calarasi
Distance: 1.9007% / 1.90065578 | ADC: 0.25x RC
70.2 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
20.2 Moldova_Jewish
9.6 Moldova_South
-Jewish, Ukrainians, Russians
Target: Calarasi
Distance: 4.4634% / 4.46338217 | ADC: 0.25x RC
96.8 Moldova_Centre
3.2 Moldova_South
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Distance to:
Calarasi
4.03264181
Moldova_Chisinau_city
4.09774328
Moldova_Balti_city
4.83270111
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
5.11426437
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
5.14352992
Moldova_Soroca_judet
5.28944231
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
5.63614230
Moldova_Balti_judet
5.96972361
Moldova_Edinet_judet
6.86506373
Moldova_Orhei_judet
7.04594209
Moldova_Cahul_judet
9.49434569
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
9.54789506
Moldova_Tighina_judet
9.63611436
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
12.56650309
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
13.69196845
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
13.77265770
Moldova_Ukrainian
31.07917470
Moldova_Jewish
36.02344237
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
Nisporeni
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Distance to:
Nisporeni
3.42559484
Romania_Moldavia_North
3.46981268
Moldova_Centre
3.62772656
Moldova_average
4.35529563
Serb_north
4.56157867
Bosniak
4.61585312
Serb
4.85956788
Serb_central
5.17347079
Romania_Maramures
5.21878338
Croat_South
5.82998285
Moldova_North
5.85358864
Romania_Moldavia_South
6.48121131
Serb_south
6.57936927
Romania_Crisana
6.61220084
Romania_Transylvania
6.65019549
Székely
6.67098194
Romania_average
6.67489326
Croat_West
6.77406082
Croat_East
7.23327035
Croat
7.24245815
Csángó-Ceangău
7.38084683
Romania_Banat
7.42641906
Hungarian_Transylvania
7.58586185
Bulgaria_Northwestern
7.66212764
Montenegrin
7.78479929
Romania_Oltenia
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<tbody>
Distance to:
Nisporeni
3.46981268
Moldova_Centre
3.62772656
Moldova_average
5.82998285
Moldova_North
8.13695275
Moldova_South
10.82144168
Ukrainian_Carpathian
10.96078921
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
11.89374626
Moldova_South_Gagauzia
13.28057981
Moldova_Bulgarian
13.74754160
Moldova_Ukrainian
13.80145644
Ukrainian_Galicia
18.88768117
Ukrainian
20.68643275
Ukrainian_Belgorod
23.14145415
Russian_Smolensk
26.61012589
Crimean_Tatar
28.23939093
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
30.25116248
Russian_Pinega
31.59725463
Moldova_Jewish
35.17424342
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
Target: Nisporeni
Distance: 3.2535% / 3.25353833 | ADC: 0.25x RC
77.5 Moldova_Centre
13.8 Ukrainian_Belgorod
8.7 Moldova_Jewish
-Jewish
Target: Nisporeni
Distance: 3.4504% / 3.45041830 | ADC: 0.25x RC
98.2 Moldova_Centre
1.8 Ukrainian_Belgorod
<tbody>
Distance to:
Nisporeni
3.30771825
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
3.80303826
Moldova_Balti_city
4.17245731
Moldova_Chisinau_city
4.32771302
Moldova_Soroca_judet
4.84542052
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
4.98516800
Moldova_Orhei_judet
5.01389070
Moldova_Balti_judet
5.49487034
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
6.04969421
Moldova_Edinet_judet
7.51632224
Moldova_Cahul_judet
9.13517378
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
9.17748876
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
9.38569656
Moldova_Tighina_judet
11.93034786
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
13.11241397
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
13.74754160
Moldova_Ukrainian
31.59725463
Moldova_Jewish
35.17424342
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
02-12-2021, 11:25 PM
From Soroca (Sorca county = Soroca, Drochia, Floresti, Soldanesti)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Soroca_judet_in_Moldova.svg/250px-Soroca_judet_in_Moldova.svg.png
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<tbody>
Kit
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
Drochia_1
19.72
36.25
12.93
11.38
12.14
2.95
1.72
0.26
2.37
0.15
0.13
0
0
Drochia_2
22.57
34.32
18.16
9.72
11.23
2.03
0
1.77
0
0
0
0.21
0
</tbody>
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Compared to others from Soroca county
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
24.07
36.26
9.74
8.78
16.00
1.82
0
2.47
0.19
0.54
0.12
0
0
22.78
33.73
15.02
8.09
15.57
0.30
0.50
0.55
1.55
0.18
0.30
0
1.42
23.79
31.29
16.16
10.22
14.34
1.42
0.30
1.48
0
0
0.99
0
0
</tbody>
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Drochia_1
<tbody>
Distance to:
Drochia_1
5.52015398
Moldova_North
7.86520184
Bosniak
7.91756276
Moldova_Centre
7.95198089
Moldova_average
8.43648624
Croat_East
8.83658305
Ukrainian_Carpathian
8.90267937
Romania_Moldavia_North
9.41666077
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
9.53097582
Croat_South
9.57755710
Serb_north
10.22928150
Croat
10.50489886
Serb
10.95307263
Romania_Maramures
10.95311828
Serb_central
11.15951612
Ukrainian_Galicia
11.19994643
Csángó-Ceangău
11.31616543
Croat_West
11.44153836
Hungarian_Alföld
11.97613043
Croat_North
12.13009893
Moldova_Ukrainian
12.23121825
Székely
12.32418354
Hungarian_Northern
12.33193821
Romania_Moldavia_South
12.48826249
Hungarian
12.59555080
Hungarian_Transylvania
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Drochia_1
5.52015398
Moldova_North
7.91756276
Moldova_Centre
7.95198089
Moldova_average
8.83658305
Ukrainian_Carpathian
9.41666077
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
10.28612172
Moldova_Ukrainian
11.15951612
Ukrainian_Galicia
13.67681249
Moldova_South
14.45257417
Ukrainian
15.59189212
Ukrainian_Belgorod
17.05307010
Moldova_South_Gagauzia
18.50011081
Russian_Smolensk
19.12939100
Moldova_Bulgarian
24.72603246
Russian_Pinega
25.91648124
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
25.91763878
Crimean_Tatar
36.42786845
Moldova_Roma
36.93160029
Moldova_Jewish
</tbody>
Target: Drochia_1
Distance: 3.4349% / 3.43488323 | ADC: 0.25x RC
51.0 Ukrainian_Belgorod
40.0 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
6.0 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
3.0 Moldova_Roma
-Gagauz
Target: Drochia_1
Distance: 4.6176% / 4.61759835 | ADC: 0.25x RC
74.5 Moldova_North
15.6 Ukrainian_Belgorod
9.9 Crimean_Tatar
-Tatar
Target: Drochia_1
Distance: 4.9553% / 4.95525756 | ADC: 0.25x RC
72.8 Moldova_average
20.5 Ukrainian_Belgorod
6.7 Russian_Pinega
<tbody>
Distance to:
Drochia_1
5.15624864
Moldova_Soroca_judet
5.76372276
Moldova_Balti_judet
6.71061100
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
6.97945557
Moldova_Chisinau_city
7.41430374
Moldova_Orhei_judet
7.53097603
Moldova_Edinet_judet
7.94559626
Moldova_Balti_city
8.03911065
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
9.78758397
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
10.00861629
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
10.02960617
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
10.28612172
Moldova_Ukrainian
13.27256946
Moldova_Cahul_judet
14.59524923
Moldova_Tighina_judet
17.03909622
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
18.99235636
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
36.42786845
Moldova_Roma
36.93160029
Moldova_Jewish
</tbody>
Drochia_2
<tbody>
Distance to:
Drochia_2
4.44510967
Moldova_North
5.20002885
Bosniak
6.03900654
Croat_South
6.13148432
Serb_north
6.24559845
Moldova_average
6.53758365
Croat_East
6.56080026
Moldova_Centre
6.87924414
Romania_Moldavia_North
7.06984441
Croat
7.12207835
Serb
7.56429111
Serb_central
7.90515654
Romania_Maramures
7.96221703
Croat_West
8.18260961
Csángó-Ceangău
8.32930369
Ukrainian_Carpathian
8.44222127
Hungarian_Alföld
8.56582746
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
9.06819717
Croat_North
9.36536171
Székely
9.60606059
Hungarian
9.65162163
Hungarian_Transylvania
9.70094841
Romania_Moldavia_South
10.11667930
Romania_Crisana
10.25113652
Hungarian_Northern
10.34548211
Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Drochia_2
4.44510967
Moldova_North
6.24559845
Moldova_average
6.56080026
Moldova_Centre
8.32930369
Ukrainian_Carpathian
8.56582746
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
10.81905264
Ukrainian_Galicia
11.14855148
Moldova_Ukrainian
11.48493361
Moldova_South
15.70941119
Ukrainian
15.78647206
Moldova_South_Gagauzia
17.03168518
Moldova_Bulgarian
18.00238873
Ukrainian_Belgorod
19.89551206
Russian_Smolensk
27.61037543
Russian_Pinega
28.42029029
Crimean_Tatar
28.70512324
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
36.32944261
Moldova_Jewish
37.87522013
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
Target: Drochia_2
Distance: 4.3572% / 4.35724645 | ADC: 0.25x RC
92.4 Moldova_North
7.6 Moldova_South
<tbody>
Distance to:
Drochia_2
4.30975637
Moldova_Balti_judet
4.73344483
Moldova_Edinet_judet
4.74752567
Moldova_Soroca_judet
5.59690986
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
5.97043550
Moldova_Chisinau_city
6.26850859
Moldova_Orhei_judet
6.29896817
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
6.60673898
Moldova_Balti_city
8.20671067
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
8.59528359
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
8.65241585
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
10.34320067
Moldova_Cahul_judet
11.14855148
Moldova_Ukrainian
12.83307446
Moldova_Tighina_judet
15.84819548
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
17.30079478
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
36.32944261
Moldova_Jewish
37.87522013
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
Any native results from this part of Odessa oblast (circled)? Very close to Moldova.
https://i.ibb.co/1mp3cwg/Ukr.jpg
Though it became part of the Russian Empire only in the 19th century.
Ion Basescul
02-12-2021, 11:28 PM
Any native results from this part of Odessa oblast (circled)? Very close to Moldova.
https://i.ibb.co/1mp3cwg/Ukr.jpg
Though it became part of the Russian Empire only in the 19th century.
Yes, I've posted these a while back. Moldovan from Bolhrad and Ismail in Odessa oblast, which is close and pretty much an extension of Cahul district.
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
18.04
26.87
17.24
12.49
19.31
2.99
0.68
0.27
1.35
0.76
0
0
0
</tbody>
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These results from Cahul from the other page come from a village on the border (https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewlocalitate&id=9410).
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
19.20
26.97
17.98
13.72
17.17
0.71
1.21
0.13
2.11
0.16
0
0
0.65
</tbody>
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And then of course the Stefan Voda Moldovans from Caplani are also right on the border (https://localitati.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewlocalitate&id=8515).
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
21.01
25.42
16.62
11.92
18.51
4.11
0.58
0
0
0
0.50
0.51
0.82
18.42
25.95
16.17
15.44
17.84
3.82
0.56
0.56
0
1.25
0
0
0
18.27
19.97
19.01
15.32
19.44
4.68
0.12
1.50
0.68
0.54
0
0
0.48
19.84
23.81
19.67
11.16
19.93
3.16
0
0.00
1.21
0.29
0.52
0
0.40
22.08
23.50
19.95
9.57
19.50
3.24
0
1.74
0.34
0
0.08
0
0
16.91
24.06
20.61
12.07
23.58
0
0.52
0
1.03
0
0.29
0.45
0.50
20.23
23.81
21.69
7.85
19.98
3.35
0
0
2.91
0
0.19
0
0
21.08
28.93
14.78
9.89
19.66
4.48
0.57
0.61
0
0
0
0
0
21.23
24.68
15.16
12.29
20.35
3.67
0
0
2.38
0
0.25
0
0
26.39
24.34
17.44
13.21
12.41
4.18
0
0.31
0.71
0
0.89
0
0.12
</tbody>
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Yes, I've posted these a while back. Moldovan from Bolhrad and Ismail, which is close and pretty much an extension of Cahul district.
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
18.04
26.87
17.24
12.49
19.31
2.99
0.68
0.27
1.35
0.76
0
0
0
</tbody>
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Cool, though I meant people from there in general, Russian and Ukrainian speakers. The area is home to over 500,000 people.
Ion Basescul
02-12-2021, 11:41 PM
Cool, though I meant people from there in general, Russian and Ukrainian speakers. The area is home to over 500,000 people.
I don't think so, but Russians and Ukrainians are not a historic population there, but colonists from the last 200 years. Hence, they are probably scoring somewhere around the national averages.
Ion Basescul
02-13-2021, 02:46 PM
From Lapusna (Lapusna county = Hincesti, Leova, Cimislia, Basarabeasca)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Lapusna_judet.svg/250px-Lapusna_judet.svg.png
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Kit
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
Hincesti
25.25
29.29
15.51
8.52
14.17
0.18
3.22
0
2.38
0.33
0.68
0.46
0
</tbody>
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Compared to others from Lapusna county
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
18.71
29.10
18.39
10.79
14.63
4.48
0
0.85
0
2.02
0.74
0.25
0
23.31
29.55
17.84
7.30
16.55
1.29
1.96
0.80
0.24
0.79
0.35
0
0
21.75
29.53
15.63
11.25
16.39
0.98
1.08
0
3.24
0
0.15
0
0
20.92
28.56
14.80
9.67
22.16
0.86
1.64
0
0.64
0
0
0
0.75
</tbody>
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<tbody>
Distance to:
Hincesti_ind
3.67532312
Romania_Moldavia_North
4.03109166
Moldova_Centre
4.03773451
Serb_north
4.13862296
Serb
4.15587536
Serb_central
4.20279669
Romania_Maramures
4.22691377
Székely
4.38580665
Moldova_average
4.57088613
Croat_South
4.78061711
Bosniak
4.83865684
Hungarian_Transylvania
4.94229704
Csángó-Ceangău
5.38804232
Romania_Crisana
5.49446995
Romania_Moldavia_South
5.51422705
Croat_West
6.15360870
Romania_Transylvania
6.38887314
Croat
6.60605026
Romania_average
6.67176139
Serb_south
6.69877601
Moldova_North
6.99229576
Croat_East
7.29632784
Romania_Banat
7.29760920
Montenegrin
7.42318665
Hungarian_Alföld
7.60881068
Romania_Oltenia
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Hincesti_ind
4.03109166
Moldova_Centre
4.38580665
Moldova_average
6.69877601
Moldova_North
8.44429393
Moldova_South
10.59843385
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
10.63073375
Ukrainian_Carpathian
12.68592527
Moldova_South_Gagauzia
12.75242330
Moldova_Bulgarian
13.54778580
Ukrainian_Galicia
14.00409940
Moldova_Ukrainian
19.16056889
Ukrainian
21.56309811
Ukrainian_Belgorod
23.33826472
Russian_Smolensk
26.26161648
Crimean_Tatar
27.52257437
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
30.14178630
Russian_Pinega
32.26016429
Moldova_Jewish
33.14247878
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
Target: Hincesti_ind
Distance: 2.6306% / 2.63057531 | ADC: 0.25x RC
58.0 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
34.7 Moldova_Bulgarian
7.3 Moldova_Roma
-IV
Target: Hincesti_ind
Distance: 3.3705% / 3.37049309 | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.2 Moldova_Ukrainian
45.4 Moldova_Bulgarian
5.4 Moldova_Roma
-Ukrainians
Target: Hincesti_ind
Distance: 3.8313% / 3.83128389 | ADC: 0.25x RC
93.0 Moldova_Centre
4.2 Moldova_Roma
2.8 Russian_Pinega
<tbody>
Distance to:
Hincesti_ind
3.63950546
Moldova_Balti_city
3.79631400
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
4.49336177
Moldova_Chisinau_city
4.97070418
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
5.04448213
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
5.38490483
Moldova_Orhei_judet
5.88142840
Moldova_Balti_judet
5.88896426
Moldova_Edinet_judet
6.84428229
Moldova_Cahul_judet
7.05268743
Moldova_Soroca_judet
7.25675547
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
9.12947972
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
10.03382280
Moldova_Tighina_judet
12.80912565
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
13.08346667
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
14.00409940
Moldova_Ukrainian
32.26016429
Moldova_Jewish
33.14247878
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
02-13-2021, 02:54 PM
From Chisinau county (Chisinau county = Ialoveni, Straseni, Criuleni, Anenii Noi)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Chisinau_judet.svg/250px-Chisinau_judet.svg.png
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Kit
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
Anenii Noi
24.93
28.81
15.39
7.73
15.34
0.63
2.67
0
1.68
0.51
1.13
0
1.18
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Compared to others from Chisinau county
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
25.38
29.74
19.64
9.19
8.90
3.29
0.87
0
2.48
0.50
0
0
0
23.18
29.71
14.61
10.27
18.19
1.01
0.63
0
1.18
0.69
0.52
0
0
24.27
30.45
14.67
11.96
10.87
2.75
3.05
0
1.96
0
0
0
0
23.59
30.86
16.86
8.76
11.85
2.12
2.03
0.81
0.86
2.26
0
0
0
20.89
32.32
13.89
10.56
15.52
3.55
0
1.31
1.19
0
0.49
0
0.27
21.72
31.59
14.86
9.72
16.73
0.94
2.66
0
0
0.82
0.8
0
0.15
26.90
26.30
15.40
9.64
13.58
4.18
0.45
1.13
0.97
0.36
1.07
0
0
24.49
30.58
15.28
10.52
13.60
0.25
1.34
0.91
1.36
0.44
0.29
0
0.96
25.90
28.78
18.11
10.36
9.02
2.97
1.81
0
1.34
0.67
0
1.04
0
22.19
35.55
15.80
5.01
14.63
1.08
2.73
0
1.21
0.49
0.57
0
0.75
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Distance to:
AneniiNoi_ind
3.56364981
Serb_central
3.58362945
Romania_Maramures
3.66244454
Romania_Moldavia_North
3.73931812
Serb
3.96393744
Serb_north
4.06539051
Moldova_Centre
4.37805893
Moldova_average
4.67468716
Romania_Moldavia_South
4.71869685
Székely
4.76844838
Romania_Crisana
4.83550411
Croat_South
5.02320615
Bosniak
5.39379273
Romania_Transylvania
5.44772430
Hungarian_Transylvania
5.57593938
Serb_south
5.77871958
Croat_West
5.82745227
Romania_average
5.92673603
Csángó-Ceangău
6.49919995
Montenegrin
6.55103809
Romania_Banat
6.82430216
Romania_Oltenia
6.94279483
Croat
7.11299515
Bulgaria_Northwestern
7.35675880
Moldova_North
7.57134730
Croat_East
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
AneniiNoi_ind
4.06539051
Moldova_Centre
4.37805893
Moldova_average
7.35675880
Moldova_North
7.61959316
Moldova_South
11.11625387
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
11.39630642
Ukrainian_Carpathian
11.99643280
Moldova_South_Gagauzia
12.17238678
Moldova_Bulgarian
14.42211496
Ukrainian_Galicia
14.70064284
Moldova_Ukrainian
19.90726249
Ukrainian
22.38629268
Ukrainian_Belgorod
24.14013463
Russian_Smolensk
26.80338411
Crimean_Tatar
28.18708215
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
31.03832681
Russian_Pinega
31.04120648
Moldova_Jewish
33.14894267
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
Target: AneniiNoi_ind
Distance: 2.8101% / 2.81010626 | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.7 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
39.8 Moldova_Bulgarian
5.5 Moldova_Roma
-IV
Target: AneniiNoi_ind
Distance: 3.5298% / 3.52978578 | ADC: 0.25x RC
43.5 Ukrainian_Carpathian
33.7 Moldova_Bulgarian
18.4 Moldova_Centre
4.4 Moldova_Roma
-Ukrainians
Target: AneniiNoi_ind
Distance: 3.9099% / 3.90992135 | ADC: 0.25x RC
93.4 Moldova_Centre
4.6 Moldova_Bulgarian
2.0 Moldova_Roma
<tbody>
Distance to:
AneniiNoi_ind
3.84890894
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
3.93996193
Moldova_Balti_city
4.36931345
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
4.40170422
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
4.56440577
Moldova_Chisinau_city
6.15160955
Moldova_Cahul_judet
6.26085457
Moldova_Balti_judet
6.35881278
Moldova_Orhei_judet
6.50495196
Moldova_Edinet_judet
7.28813419
Moldova_Soroca_judet
8.48828605
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
9.17526566
Moldova_Tighina_judet
10.02024451
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
11.99859158
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
12.36597752
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
14.70064284
Moldova_Ukrainian
31.04120648
Moldova_Jewish
33.14894267
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
02-13-2021, 03:14 PM
1/2 Russian (Don Cossacks and Vologda oblast), 1/2 Central Moldovan (Malcoci, Gura Galbenei and Chisinau)
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
27.25
35.59
9.66
9.83
10.53
1.16
1.27
2.76
1.95
0
0
0
0
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Compared to other 1/2 East Slavs, 1/2 Moldovans
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
19.44
37.30
15.60
10.04
13.19
0.47
0.95
1.49
0.28
0.41
0.82
0
0
22.51
37.17
13.01
7.82
11.58
1.68
1.85
2.28
1.66
0
0
0.44
0
26.26
33.97
14.46
9.06
10.53
2.04
0
1.08
1.77
0.59
0
0
0.24
25.55
34.53
14.72
9.26
8.90
1.34
2.91
0
2.60
0
0.17
0
0
22.11
39.39
12.60
7.73
8.94
2.67
3.34
0.58
0.76
1.18
0.69
0
0
27.18
36.15
11.95
9.09
9.72
2.43
0.98
0
2.06
0
0.22
0.23
0
26.16
36.14
14.89
6.94
9.60
2.34
0
0
1.04
2.15
0.75
0
0
21.88
39.32
12.60
8.80
12.61
0.88
0.39
0.38
0.99
0.82
1.34
0
0
25.56
37.62
13.38
6.59
11.84
0.66
1.22
1.12
0.60
0.38
0.42
0
0.60
24.71
38.41
11.97
10.18
6.87
1.90
0.11
0.25
4.56
0.14
0.49
0.11
0.31
24.12
37.75
12.57
3.55
14.93
2.29
0.71
0.43
0.48
3.17
0
0
0
30.83
35.53
12.59
7.55
10.35
0.91
0
0.28
0.07
0.98
0.90
0
0
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Distance to:
1/2Russian_1/2Moldovan
5.87503191
Ukrainian_Carpathian
6.01804786
Croat_East
6.52601716
Hungarian_Northern
6.92284624
Hungarian_Alföld
6.97149195
Moldova_North
7.01363672
Croat_North
7.15034265
Croat
7.16582166
Ukrainian_Galicia
7.31644039
Hungarian
7.33509373
Slovak
7.36638989
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
7.65509634
Hungarian_Transdanubia+<wbr>Budapest
8.08759544
Slovenian
8.26418780
Bosniak
8.38775298
Croat_West
8.64872823
Croat_South
8.69511357
Csángó-Ceangău
8.79718705
Moldova_Ukrainian
9.28330221
Czech
9.46660974
Romania_Moldavia_North
9.56725666
South_Polish
9.60767922
Hungarian_Transylvania
9.65828660
Székely
9.77377102
Moldova_Centre
10.12777369
Moldova_average
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
1/2Russian_1/2Moldovan
4.02421421
Moldova_5_10/16Ukrainian_6/<wbr>16Balti
5.73456188
Moldova_86_1/2Ukrainian_1/<wbr>2Orhei
6.20278163
Moldova_11_1/2Drochia_1/<wbr>2Ukrainian_Odessa
6.30605265
Moldova_67_1/2Ukrainian_1/<wbr>2Orhei
6.51490599
Moldova_76_1/2Russian_1/<wbr>2Ialoveni
6.97362890
Moldova_27_1/2Russian_1/<wbr>2Ocnita
7.39570821
Moldova_6_1/2Ukrainian_<wbr>Zakarpattya_1/2North
8.16624149
Moldova_7_1/2Ukrainian_<wbr>Vinnytsia_1/2Chisinau
8.42871876
Moldova_3_1/2Drochia_1/2Polish
8.81603085
Moldova_88_1/2Ukrainian_1/<wbr>2Rezina
10.04779578
Moldova_28_1/2Russian_Izmail_<wbr>1/2Ungheni/Edinet
10.58982058
Moldova_74_1/2Ukrainian_<wbr>Briceni_1/2Cahul
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
1/2Russian_1/2Moldovan
5.21740357
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
5.91655305
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
6.40616110
Moldova_Orhei_judet
7.13613341
Moldova_Edinet_judet
7.33287802
Moldova_Ukrainian
7.82722812
Moldova_Soroca_judet
8.03644822
Moldova_Balti_city
8.13834750
Moldova_Balti_judet
9.29670910
Moldova_Chisinau_city
9.62091991
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
11.68247405
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
12.67030781
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
15.41114856
Moldova_Cahul_judet
17.78574429
Moldova_Tighina_judet
20.60348514
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
21.19509377
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
39.39329385
Moldova_Roma
39.74858614
Moldova_Jewish
</tbody>
chrisbab
02-14-2021, 09:33 PM
1/2 Russian (Don Cossacks and Vologda oblast), 1/2 Central Moldovan (Malcoci, Gura Galbenei and Chisinau)
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
27.25
35.59
9.66
9.83
10.53
1.16
1.27
2.76
1.95
0
0
0
0
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Compared to other 1/2 East Slavs, 1/2 Moldovans
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
19.44
37.30
15.60
10.04
13.19
0.47
0.95
1.49
0.28
0.41
0.82
0
0
22.51
37.17
13.01
7.82
11.58
1.68
1.85
2.28
1.66
0
0
0.44
0
26.26
33.97
14.46
9.06
10.53
2.04
0
1.08
1.77
0.59
0
0
0.24
25.55
34.53
14.72
9.26
8.90
1.34
2.91
0
2.60
0
0.17
0
0
22.11
39.39
12.60
7.73
8.94
2.67
3.34
0.58
0.76
1.18
0.69
0
0
27.18
36.15
11.95
9.09
9.72
2.43
0.98
0
2.06
0
0.22
0.23
0
26.16
36.14
14.89
6.94
9.60
2.34
0
0
1.04
2.15
0.75
0
0
21.88
39.32
12.60
8.80
12.61
0.88
0.39
0.38
0.99
0.82
1.34
0
0
25.56
37.62
13.38
6.59
11.84
0.66
1.22
1.12
0.60
0.38
0.42
0
0.60
24.71
38.41
11.97
10.18
6.87
1.90
0.11
0.25
4.56
0.14
0.49
0.11
0.31
24.12
37.75
12.57
3.55
14.93
2.29
0.71
0.43
0.48
3.17
0
0
0
30.83
35.53
12.59
7.55
10.35
0.91
0
0.28
0.07
0.98
0.90
0
0
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Distance to:
1/2Russian_1/2Moldovan
5.87503191
Ukrainian_Carpathian
6.01804786
Croat_East
6.52601716
Hungarian_Northern
6.92284624
Hungarian_Alföld
6.97149195
Moldova_North
7.01363672
Croat_North
7.15034265
Croat
7.16582166
Ukrainian_Galicia
7.31644039
Hungarian
7.33509373
Slovak
7.36638989
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
7.65509634
Hungarian_Transdanubia+<wbr>Budapest
8.08759544
Slovenian
8.26418780
Bosniak
8.38775298
Croat_West
8.64872823
Croat_South
8.69511357
Csángó-Ceangău
8.79718705
Moldova_Ukrainian
9.28330221
Czech
9.46660974
Romania_Moldavia_North
9.56725666
South_Polish
9.60767922
Hungarian_Transylvania
9.65828660
Székely
9.77377102
Moldova_Centre
10.12777369
Moldova_average
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
1/2Russian_1/2Moldovan
4.02421421
Moldova_5_10/16Ukrainian_6/<wbr>16Balti
5.73456188
Moldova_86_1/2Ukrainian_1/<wbr>2Orhei
6.20278163
Moldova_11_1/2Drochia_1/<wbr>2Ukrainian_Odessa
6.30605265
Moldova_67_1/2Ukrainian_1/<wbr>2Orhei
6.51490599
Moldova_76_1/2Russian_1/<wbr>2Ialoveni
6.97362890
Moldova_27_1/2Russian_1/<wbr>2Ocnita
7.39570821
Moldova_6_1/2Ukrainian_<wbr>Zakarpattya_1/2North
8.16624149
Moldova_7_1/2Ukrainian_<wbr>Vinnytsia_1/2Chisinau
8.42871876
Moldova_3_1/2Drochia_1/2Polish
8.81603085
Moldova_88_1/2Ukrainian_1/<wbr>2Rezina
10.04779578
Moldova_28_1/2Russian_Izmail_<wbr>1/2Ungheni/Edinet
10.58982058
Moldova_74_1/2Ukrainian_<wbr>Briceni_1/2Cahul
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
1/2Russian_1/2Moldovan
5.21740357
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
5.91655305
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
6.40616110
Moldova_Orhei_judet
7.13613341
Moldova_Edinet_judet
7.33287802
Moldova_Ukrainian
7.82722812
Moldova_Soroca_judet
8.03644822
Moldova_Balti_city
8.13834750
Moldova_Balti_judet
9.29670910
Moldova_Chisinau_city
9.62091991
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
11.68247405
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
12.67030781
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
15.41114856
Moldova_Cahul_judet
17.78574429
Moldova_Tighina_judet
20.60348514
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
21.19509377
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
39.39329385
Moldova_Roma
39.74858614
Moldova_Jewish
</tbody>
I recieved my father's 23andme results today. 106044
Here is my gedmatch k13 with 23andme: 106045
Here is my father's gedmatch k13 with 23andme: 106046
Can you send me a pic of the romanian pca with my results and my fathers results?
Ion Basescul
02-15-2021, 10:49 AM
I recieved my father's 23andme results today. 106044
Here is my gedmatch k13 with 23andme: 106045
Here is my father's gedmatch k13 with 23andme: 106046
Can you send me a pic of the romanian pca with my results and my fathers results?
Thanks for sharing. Having looked at the results of your father, who is from Galati right?, it seems as if the elevated East Med that's interpreted as Anatolian came from your mother's side (Covasna?).
https://i.ibb.co/tqcHN5S/image.png
https://i.ibb.co/CJ028rk/image.png
chrisbab
02-15-2021, 12:26 PM
Thanks for sharing. Having looked at the results of your father, who is from Galati right?, it seems as if the elevated East Med that's interpreted as Anatolian came from your mother's side (Covasna?).
https://i.ibb.co/tqcHN5S/image.png
https://i.ibb.co/CJ028rk/image.png
My father is 3/4 galati and 1/4 covasna. My mother is 1/2 galati from her mother but her father, i don't know his family history. He is maybe from suceava.
Ion Basescul
02-15-2021, 03:32 PM
My father is 3/4 galati and 1/4 covasna. My mother is 1/2 galati from her mother but her father, i don't know his family history. He is maybe from suceava.
Suceava was multi-ethnical in the not so distant past and those people assimilated as Romanians over time. Usually the ethnics there were Ukrainians, Poles, Germans, Jews, but I guess there could have been some that were more exotic to explain the elevated East Med. Otherwise, I know a person from Buzau who is 1/4 local Greek and if I remember correctly Braila county that borders both Buzau and Galati used to be one of the main maritime hubs on the Danube through which external merchants interacted with this region. So maybe the interesting part comes from Galati and is something Greek or Balkan Turkish. You could ask Kaspias to do a one-to-one match on GEDmatch between you and his Balkan Turkish kits to see if you are related. But I don't think that autosomal DNA will be enough to answer this question. You might need to reconstruct the family tree.
chrisbab
02-15-2021, 07:16 PM
Suceava was multi-ethnical in the not so distant past and those people assimilated as Romanians over time. Usually the ethnics there were Ukrainians, Poles, Germans, Jews, but I guess there could have been some that were more exotic to explain the elevated East Med. Otherwise, I know a person from Buzau who is 1/4 local Greek and if I remember correctly Braila county that borders both Buzau and Galati used to be one of the main maritime hubs on the Danube through which external merchants interacted with this region. So maybe the interesting part comes from Galati and is something Greek or Balkan Turkish. You could ask Kaspias to do a one-to-one match on GEDmatch between you and his Balkan Turkish kits to see if you are related. But I don't think that autosomal DNA will be enough to answer this question. You might need to reconstruct the family tree.
I doubt the east med comes from my maternal grandfather. He looked northem or even west european. It is probably from my maternal grandmother if it is based on looks. I will test soon my mother. I also noticed the 4.0% anatolian and west asian transformed into 1.8% iranian, caucasian and mesopotamian. It says i inherited 0.8% of that dna from my father, but my father does not have it.
Ion Basescul
02-16-2021, 02:46 PM
From Novoselytsia district (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novoselytsia_Raion) in Ukraine (ethnic Moldovan/Romanian, 5km from Briceni district)
I will throw them in the average for Edinet county, which includes Briceni district.
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
23.12
37.30
11.60
10.61
14.04
0.14
0
0
1.60
0.85
0.10
0.40
0.24
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Compared to others from Edinet county (Edinet county = Briceni, Ocnita, Edinet, Donduseni)
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
25.71
33.18
17.93
8.07
10.11
2.87
0.67
0
1.40
0
0
0
0
27.82
33.86
14.65
5.86
12.83
0
0.56
1.14
0.51
1.49
0.26
1.01
0
23.63
32.50
17.85
7.85
14.19
0
0.87
1.52
0
1.42
0.18
0
0
25.95
29.20
17.32
9.88
11.62
2.80
0
1.67
0.24
0.53
0.73
0
0.06
25.05
32.68
12.58
12.66
13.32
0.16
0.10
1.33
0.85
0.70
0
0.23
0.35
22.85
36.30
13.11
9.12
13.06
1.59
0
0
2.69
1.27
0
0
0
25.07
36.71
17.96
5.60
10.20
1.39
0.82
0
1.03
0.75
0.38
0.10
0
20.49
37.99
14.24
10.49
12.58
1.15
0
0
2.42
0.33
0
0
0.31
24.08
31.35
16.41
11.30
10.19
2.94
0
0
2.35
0.23
1.04
0.12
0
32.06
32.68
10.89
4.25
14.28
2.99
1.31
0
0.75
0.73
0
0.06
0
</tbody>
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<tbody>
Distance to:
Novoselytsia_ind
5.06332894
Moldova_North
6.18998384
Croat_East
6.89644836
Ukrainian_Carpathian
6.98053007
Bosniak
7.30315685
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
8.08012376
Moldova_Centre
8.22505927
Moldova_average
8.23036451
Croat_South
8.30665998
Croat
8.31983774
Romania_Moldavia_North
8.88117109
Serb_north
9.38265421
Ukrainian_Galicia
9.40983528
Croat_West
9.56861536
Hungarian_Alföld
9.79217545
Hungarian_Northern
9.80821594
Croat_North
9.97724912
Moldova_Ukrainian
10.08767069
Serb
10.35012077
Serb_central
10.51550760
Hungarian
10.60580030
Csángó-Ceangău
10.93957038
Romania_Maramures
10.95541875
Slovak
11.14952465
Székely
11.29585765
Slovenian
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Novoselytsia_ind
5.06332894
Moldova_North
6.89644836
Ukrainian_Carpathian
7.30315685
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
7.45642676
Moldova_Centre
7.60078285
Moldova_average
8.23762709
Moldova_Ukrainian
9.38265421
Ukrainian_Galicia
12.64440192
Moldova_South
12.81260707
Ukrainian
14.10457018
Ukrainian_Belgorod
17.05461521
Russian_Smolensk
18.08011615
Moldova_South_Gagauzia
20.03539368
Moldova_Bulgarian
24.09960127
Russian_Pinega
28.47335245
Crimean_Tatar
28.50246656
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
37.53150810
Moldova_Jewish
39.07415258
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
Target: Novoselytsia_ind
Distance: 2.6872% / 2.68716711 | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.5 Ukrainian_Belgorod
25.2 Moldova_North
19.3 Moldova_Jewish
-JewishTarget: Novoselytsia_ind
Distance: 2.9033% / 2.90330954 | ADC: 0.25x RC
56.4 Ukrainian_Belgorod
43.6 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
-Gagauz
Target: Novoselytsia_ind
Distance: 3.8292% / 3.82924889 | ADC: 0.25x RC
67.4 Moldova_average
32.6 Ukrainian_Belgorod
<tbody>
Distance to:
Novoselytsia_ind
4.82958590
Moldova_Soroca_judet
5.55660868
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
5.90478619
Moldova_Edinet_judet
5.98629268
Moldova_Balti_judet
6.45920274
Moldova_Orhei_judet
7.08105218
Moldova_Balti_city
7.15990223
Moldova_Chisinau_city
8.23762709
Moldova_Ukrainian
8.64484239
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
9.13388198
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
9.60259340
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
10.18261754
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
13.80690769
Moldova_Cahul_judet
15.54612814
Moldova_Tighina_judet
18.03695096
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
19.81932390
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
37.53150810
Moldova_Jewish
39.07415258
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
So that's a Romanian-majority district in Chernovsty oblast. Interesting.
The singer Sofia Rotaru was born in Marshyntsi, one of the Romanian speaking villages of the Raion.
:swl
Can you show me their Dod K12b?
Ion Basescul
02-16-2021, 03:11 PM
So that's a Romanian-majority district in Chernovsty oblast. Interesting.
:swl
Can you show me their Dod K12b?
They marked the kit private soon after I've asked some questions. So I only have K13 values.
They marked the kit private soon after I've asked some questions. So I only have K13 values.
I think you can still run a privatized kit through the calculators. What you can't do is see its matches.
Ion Basescul
02-16-2021, 03:33 PM
I think you can still run a privatized kit through the calculators. What you can't do is see its matches.
Nope
https://i.ibb.co/Mfccnjm/image-1.png
Ion Basescul
02-17-2021, 01:12 PM
From Transnistria (Ethnic Moldovan/Romanian from Slobozia district)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Naddniestrze-Slobozia.png/250px-Naddniestrze-Slobozia.png
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<tbody>
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
23.26
23.40
16.82
13.58
18.40
1.67
0.18
1.19
0
0.55
0.50
0.45
0
</tbody>
Compared to Caplani, Stefan Voda Moldovans
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<tbody>
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
21.01
25.42
16.62
11.92
18.51
4.11
0.58
0
0
0
0.50
0.51
0.82
18.42
25.95
16.17
15.44
17.84
3.82
0.56
0.56
0
1.25
0
0
0
18.27
19.97
19.01
15.32
19.44
4.68
0.12
1.50
0.68
0.54
0
0
0.48
19.84
23.81
19.67
11.16
19.93
3.16
0
0.00
1.21
0.29
0.52
0
0.40
22.08
23.50
19.95
9.57
19.50
3.24
0
1.74
0.34
0
0.08
0
0
16.91
24.06
20.61
12.07
23.58
0
0.52
0
1.03
0
0.29
0.45
0.50
20.23
23.81
21.69
7.85
19.98
3.35
0
0
2.91
0
0.19
0
0
21.08
28.93
14.78
9.89
19.66
4.48
0.57
0.61
0
0
0
0
0
21.23
24.68
15.16
12.29
20.35
3.67
0
0
2.38
0
0.25
0
0
26.39
24.34
17.44
13.21
12.41
4.18
0
0.31
0.71
0
0.89
0
0.12
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Transnistria_ind
2.43721152
Bulgaria_Northeastern
2.83871450
Bulgaria_Southwestern
3.26681802
Bulgaria_average
3.36025297
Romania_Muntenia
3.36462479
Romania_Wallachia
3.60878096
Bulgaria_Northcentral
3.67266933
Romania_Dobruja
3.69749915
Romania_Oltenia
3.93143740
Bulgaria_Southcentral
4.20448570
Romania_Banat
4.29908130
Bosniak_Sandzak
4.46437006
Romania_average
4.68786732
Bulgaria_Southeastern
4.71442467
Montenegrin
4.79189941
Pomak_Bulgaria
4.85828159
Bulgaria_Northwestern
4.89191169
Romania_Transylvania
4.99674894
Romania_Moldavia_South
5.17837812
Moldova_South_Gagauzia
5.19011060
Macednia_north
5.36539840
MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE
5.48522561
Moldova_South
5.91299417
Serb_south
5.91871291
Macedonia_south
6.13870508
Romania_Crisana
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<tbody>
Distance to:
Transnistria_ind
4.71701177
Moldova_South_Gagauzia
5.12940542
Moldova_Bulgarian
5.48522561
Moldova_South
9.84288068
Moldova_average
10.04249471
Moldova_Centre
13.44775446
Moldova_North
18.97041381
Ukrainian_Carpathian
19.12599540
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
21.83157347
Ukrainian_Galicia
22.18963497
Moldova_Ukrainian
24.45593793
Moldova_Jewish
25.65874900
Crimean_Tatar
27.38450109
Ukrainian
29.14673395
Ukrainian_Belgorod
29.59932770
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
30.65216795
Moldova_Roma
31.52281872
Russian_Smolensk
38.74148721
Russian_Pinega
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Transnistria_ind
4.52314050
Moldova_118_StefanVoda
5.06575759
Moldova_126_StefanVoda
5.66446820
Moldova_122_StefanVoda
5.80925985
Moldova_121_StefanVoda
6.34272024
Moldova_119_StefanVoda
7.44072577
Moldova_127_StefanVoda
7.47499164
Moldova_120_StefanVoda
7.98988110
Moldova_125_StefanVoda
9.04075771
Moldova_124_StefanVoda
9.49804190
Moldova_123_StefanVoda
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Transnistria_ind
4.06158836
Moldova_Tighina_judet
4.73146912
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
5.17837812
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
5.31306879
Moldova_Cahul_judet
6.97022238
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
7.69749959
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
9.85621124
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
10.58620801
Moldova_Chisinau_city
11.15849900
Moldova_Balti_city
11.99950416
Moldova_Balti_judet
12.22543660
Moldova_Orhei_judet
12.95845670
Moldova_Soroca_judet
13.44823780
Moldova_Edinet_judet
15.69125234
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
17.59020466
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
22.18963497
Moldova_Ukrainian
24.45593793
Moldova_Jewish
30.55608777
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
Aspirin
02-17-2021, 02:51 PM
From Transnistria (Ethnic Moldovan/Romanian from Slobozia district)
Do you know from what town/village he/she is?
Ion Basescul
02-17-2021, 08:07 PM
Do you know from what town/village he/she is?
Nope, I just know that the person is from Slobozia and ethnically Moldovan/Romanian by identity. The surname however is Polish. It doesn't exist on our side.
Aspirin
02-17-2021, 08:16 PM
Nope, I just know that the person is from Slobozia and ethnically Moldovan/Romanian by identity. The surname however is Polish. It doesn't exist on our side.
He/she have have high West Asian and is very southern. I checked the local ethnic landscape and is very mixed, a mix of Moldavians, Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians.
Ion Basescul
02-17-2021, 08:27 PM
An interesting test just because I don't have any new samples to post at the moment.
I run conditional formatting on the sum of North Atlantic and Baltic for all the declaratively unmixed samples from Republic of Moldova.
Average for county averages:
https://i.ibb.co/NZmf6z1/image.png
Counties (close to average = Blue, further from average = stronger hues of Red):
https://i.ibb.co/FJPvwwb/image.png
-------------------------------
Average for all samples:
https://i.ibb.co/cQm55kj/image.png
Individual samples (close to average = Blue, further from average = stronger hues of Red):
Northern region
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Origin
N_Atlantic+Baltic
_Ocnita
58.89
_Ocnita
61.68
_Ocnita
56.13
_Ocnita
55.15
_Briceni
57.73
_Briceni
59.15
_Briceni
61.78
_Briceni
60.42
_Edinet
58.48
_Edinet
55.43
_Donduseni
64.74
_Floresti_1/4Ukrainian
60.33
_Floresti
56.90
_Soldanesti
56.51
_Soldanesti
55.08
_Drochia
55.97
_Drochia
56.89
_Drochia
61.48
_Drochia
58.59
_Drochia
54.31
_Balti_city_nonAcademic
60.69
_Balti_city_nonAcademic
58.74
_Balti_city_nonAcademic
60.70
_Glodeni
56.17
_Glodeni
54.63
_Singerei
59.2
_Singerei
49.43
_Singerei
54.52
_Singerei
58.88
_1/2Falesti_1/2Chisinau
59.22
_Falesti
61.12
_Falesti
54.94
_Falesti
52.66
</tbody>
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Ion Basescul
02-17-2021, 08:29 PM
Northern region 2, academic samples from Balti (close to average = Blue, further from average = stronger hues of Red):
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<tbody>
Origin
N_Atlantic+Baltic
_Balti
55.66
_Balti
57.37
_Balti
58.28
_Balti
53.33
_Balti
56.49
_Balti
57.29
_Balti
55.13
_Balti
56.73
_Balti
55.65
_Balti
55.49
_Balti
58.91
_Balti
53.37
_Balti
60.28
_Balti
58.12
_Balti
52.54
_Balti
54.25
_Balti
56.16
_Balti
56.50
_Balti
59.32
_Balti
59.33
_Balti
49.57
_Balti
58.22
_Balti
58.67
_Balti
56.77
_Balti
50.60
_Balti
55.75
_Balti
55.04
</tbody>
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Ion Basescul
02-17-2021, 08:34 PM
Central region (close to average = Blue, further from average = stronger hues of Red):
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<colgroup><col style="width: 85px"><col width="100"></colgroup><tbody>
Origin
N_Atlantic+Baltic
_Rezina
63.81
_Telenesti
55.12
_Telenesti
56.66
_Orhei
56.58
_Ungheni
47.89
_Ungheni
47.94
_1/2Ungheni_1/2Straseni
56.11
_Ungheni
49.29
_Ungheni
49.27
_Nisporeni
55.55
_Nisporeni
55.26
_Calarasi
54.09
_Calarasi
55.26
_Straseni
55.12
_Straseni
52.89
_Straseni
54.72
_Straseni
54.45
_Ialoveni
53.21
_Ialoveni
53.31
_Ialoveni
53.20
_Ialoveni
55.07
_Ialoveni
54.68
_AneniiNoi
57.74
_AneniiNoi
53.74
_Hincesti
47.81
_Hincesti
52.86
_Hincesti
54.54
</tbody>
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Ion Basescul
02-17-2021, 08:45 PM
Central region, Chisinau (people with origins from all over the country), (close to average = Blue, further from average = stronger hues of Red):
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<colgroup><col style="width: 85px"><col width="100"></colgroup><tbody>
Origin
N_Atlantic+Baltic
_Chisinau_IonBasescul_Merged
54.95
_Chisinau_IonBasescul_MyHeritage
54.00
_Chisinau_IonBasescul_brother_MyHeritage
53.75
_Chisinau
47.08
_Chisinau
50.78
_Chisinau
56.12
_Chisinau
56.74
_Chisinau
52.63
_Chisinau
54.63
_Chisinau
59.68
_Chisinau
52.72
_Chisinau
61.23
_Chisinau
62.88
_Chisinau
59.76
_Chisinau
59.73
_Chisinau
54.3
_Chisinau
52.26
_Chisinau
50.09
_Chisinau
58.41
_Chisinau
60.08
_Chisinau
54.31
_Chisinau
52.07
_Chisinau
57.71
_Chisinau
52.51
_Chisinau
50.43
_Chisinau
60
_Chisinau
54.29
_Chisinau
51.73
_Chisinau
49.85
_Chisinau
53.82
</tbody>
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Ion Basescul
02-17-2021, 08:46 PM
Southern region (close to average = Blue, further from average = stronger hues of Red):
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<tbody>
Origin
N_Atlantic+Baltic
_Causeni
51.57
_StefanVoda
46.43
_StefanVoda
44.37
_StefanVoda
38.24
_StefanVoda
43.65
_StefanVoda
45.58
_StefanVoda
40.97
_StefanVoda
44.04
_StefanVoda
50.01
_StefanVoda
45.91
_StefanVoda
50.73
_Slobozia
46.66
_Cimislia
51.28
_Leova
49.48
_Cantemir
46.2
_Cantemir
53
_Cahul
48.25
_Cahul
45.43
_Cahul
49.59
_Cahul
47.64
_Cahul
52.04
_Cahul
55.2
_Cahul
46.17
_Cahul
48.78
_Bugeac
44.91
</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>
Ion Basescul
02-17-2021, 09:08 PM
Minorities, East Slavs (close to average = Blue, further from average = stronger hues of Red):
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<colgroup><col style="width: 85px"><col width="100"></colgroup><tbody>
Origin
N_Atlantic+Baltic
_Ukrainian
74.81
_Ukrainian
72.56
_Transnistrian_Ukrainian
64.88
_Transnistrian_Ukrainian
65.21
_Russian
68.69
_Belorussian
76.92
_Ukrainian
65.57
_Ukrainian
72.67
_Ukrainian
64.64
_Ukrainian
65.00
_Transnistrian_Ukrainian
63.47
_Ukrainian
66.17
_Ukrainian
65.34
_Ukrainian
61.91
_Ukrainian
65.35
_Russian
64.22
</tbody>
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Ion Basescul
02-17-2021, 09:17 PM
Mixes, approx. half Moldovan/half East Slavic (close to average = Blue, further from average = stronger hues of Red):
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<colgroup><col style="width: 85px"><col width="100"></colgroup><tbody>
Origin
N_Atlantic+Baltic
_Cernauti_5/8Romanian_3/8Ukrainian
62.01
_1/2Drochia_1/2Polish
61.50
_10/16Ukrainian_6/16Moldovan
63.33
_1/2Ukrainian_1/2Moldovan
62.30
_1/2Ukrainian_1/2Moldovan
61.20
_Transnistrian_Russian_localMixed
58.98
_1/2Drochia_1/2TransnistriaOdessa
63.18
_1/2Ukrainian_1/2Moldovan
62.24
_1/2Moldovan_1/2Ukrainian
60.45
_UkrainianMixed
64.07
_1/2Russian_1/2Moldovan
63.12
_1/2Russian_1/2Moldovan
61.87
_1/2Russian_1/2Moldovan
62.84
_Moldovan/Ukrainian/Jewish
60.44
_1/2Ukrainian_1/2Moldovan
66.36
</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>
Ion Basescul
02-17-2021, 09:20 PM
Minorities, Gagauz and Bulgarians (close to average = Blue, further from average = stronger hues of Red):
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<colgroup><col style="width: 85px"><col width="100"></colgroup><tbody>
Origin
N_Atlantic+Baltic
_Bulgarian
41.01
_Bulgarian
44.32
_Bulgarian
41.56
_Gagauz
42.92
_Gagauz
43.41
_Gagauz
41.98
_Gagauz
43.50
_Gagauz
42.31
_Gagauz
40.19
_Gagauz
42.73
_Gagauz
41.90
_Gagauz
42.00
_Gagauz
40.68
_Gagauz
44.96
_Gagauz
40.78
_Gagauz
42.29
_Gagauz
40.88
_Gagauz
42.93
_Gagauz
40.67
_Gagauz
44.84
_Gagauz
40.48
_Gagauz
44.96
_Gagauz
41.31
_Gagauz
42.36
_Gagauz
42.65
_Gagauz
41.41
</tbody>
</google-sheets-html-origin>
Ion Basescul
02-17-2021, 09:23 PM
Minorities, Jews (close to average = Blue, further from average = stronger hues of Red):
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<colgroup><col style="width: 85px"><col width="100"></colgroup><tbody>
Origin
N_Atlantic+Baltic
_Jewish
21.46
_Jewish
23.27
_Jewish
27.3
_Jewish
24.99
_Jewish
27.16
_Jewish
26.77
_Jewish
24.56
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Minorities, Roma
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Origin
N_Atlantic+Baltic
_Roma
18.97
_Roma
24.19
_Roma
22.56
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Multicolor
02-17-2021, 09:45 PM
v1 was getting too big, so I've decided to open a new iteration of this thread.
Eurogenes K13 results:
Blue - Republic of Moldova
Yellow - Moldavia in Romania
Results, averaged by location
https://i.imgur.com/KTcMHfz.png
PCA plot
So after tinkering with the settings for a while, I've stopped on this PCA format, which I will use for all of my current and new samples moving forward.
Here's how it works:
Up = Increase in: Baltic, North Atlantic
Right = Increase in: South Asian, Siberian, East Asian, Amerindian
Down-Right = Increase in: West Asian, Red Sea
Left + Down-Left = Increase in: East Med, West Med
Dot Colours:
Red = Unmixed Romanians/Moldovans from Romania's Moldavia
Blue = Unmixed Romanians/Moldovans from R. Moldova
Green = Unmixed Ethnic Minorities from either country
Black = People of mixed heritage from either country
Gold = Ivano-Frankivsk (Highlander) Ukrainians
Border Colours:
Red = Unmixed Romanians/Moldovans from Romania's Moldavia
Blue = Unmixed Romanians/Moldovans from R. Moldova
Green = All people from R. Moldova
Black = All people from Romania's Moldavia
Gold = Ivano-Frankivs Ukrainians and a mixed Ukrainian/Romanian from Chernivtsi
Label codes correspond to abbreviations for district/county:â
Romania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_of_Romania)
R. Moldova 1 (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/MD_vehicle_region_codes.svg/800px-MD_vehicle_region_codes.svg.png) and 2
(https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizarea_administrativ-teritorial%C4%83_a_Republicii_Moldova)
Samples surrounded by a white circle are my family, 12=dad, CH_1/2Ukr=mom, 49=brother, 48=me, 17=ZmeyGorynych
https://i.imgur.com/H03qISE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/APfhLpt.jpg
Esti pe jumatate din Basarabia, sau din regiunea Moldova?
Ion Basescul
02-17-2021, 10:15 PM
Esti pe jumatate din Basarabia, sau din regiunea Moldova?
Pe intregime din Republica Moldova, zic Moldovan/Romanian deoarece sunt sinonime pentru multi din noi.
Multicolor
02-17-2021, 10:18 PM
Bassarabia e Romania !
Ion Basescul
02-17-2021, 10:29 PM
Bassarabia e Romania !
Poate candva, eu personal is pro.
Multicolor
02-17-2021, 10:45 PM
Poate candva, eu personal is pro.
Stii cumva daca Basescu este cuman? Am auzit ca ei aveau ochii albastrii.
Ion Basescul
02-17-2021, 10:47 PM
Stii cumva daca Basescu este cuman? Am auzit ca ei aveau ochii albastrii.
Are ceva tataresc, dar poate ca-i de la bautura lol
Ion Basescul
02-25-2021, 01:44 PM
Romanian Catholic/Csango from Iasi (https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comuna_Butea,_Ia%C8%99i)
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
Mong.
19.46
33.23
15.59
8.36
13.46
1.86
0
1.37
2.78
2.38
1.33
0.19
0
6.53
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Compared to other Catholics/Csangos from Moldavia region
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
Mong.
27.88
29.54
14.62
8.53
10.50
0.99
3.04
0
2.96
0.42
1.34
0.17
0
3.38
26.96
29.64
13.81
7.10
10.90
3.80
0.80
1.40
3.06
1.43
0.38
0.72
0
5.89
24.80
29.69
15.01
4.95
17.36
2.11
1.29
1.52
1.14
1.49
1.34
0.17
0
4.15
26.45
29.53
12.87
9.46
13.01
1.33
2.15
1.44
3.26
0
0
0.10
0.41
4.70
29.17
26.08
15.65
8.38
14.21
2.01
0.00
0.98
2.84
0.20
0.48
0
0
4.02
25.48
30.36
14.85
6.50
16.45
2.02
1.10
0
1.77
0.35
0
0
1.03
2.12
27.31
31.86
15.19
6.32
12.79
1.22
1.76
0
1.60
1.41
0.54
0
0
3.01
22.56
27.12
17.27
10.76
16.56
1.82
2.30
0
0.91
0
0.71
0
0
0.91
30.53
30.04
16.00
7.12
7.63
1.12
0.08
4.67
0.40
2.40
0
0
0
7.47
30.43
28.99
16.32
8.42
9.31
0.45
0
3.02
3.06
0
0
0
0
6.08
28.07
30.12
16.06
7.70
9.12
0.84
2.48
2.93
1.70
0.99
0
0
0
5.62
26.32
30.26
13.30
5.96
15.85
1.21
2.64
0.14
2.89
0.79
0.12
0
0.52
3.82
27.17
28.96
15.51
9.12
10.16
0.92
0
1.71
3.99
1.59
0.52
0
0.35
7.29
29.48
28.70
14.86
10.96
8.93
0.82
0
1.39
2.63
0.88
0.84
0.45
0.07
4.90
25.78
30.39
18.39
9.96
8.84
1.99
0.40
0
3.35
0
0.58
0.31
0
3.35
26.99
29.84
17.59
11.27
7.93
1.00
0
0
3.31
0
1.12
0.94
0
3.31
26.99
31.26
15.96
7.95
9.47
1.73
2.50
0.45
1.88
1.81
0
0
0
4.14
28.58
31.10
14.68
5.15
11.26
4.58
0
0.49
2.66
1.34
0
0
0.15
4.49
34.11
26.31
15.23
11.25
2.53
2.53
0
1.80
3.81
1.32
0.60
0
0.49
6.93
30.74
27.38
16.33
10.14
8.63
1.45
0
1.51
3.17
0.16
0.46
0
0
4.84
29.03
27.46
15.13
11.51
10.92
0.97
0
0
3.09
0.00
1.88
0
0
3.09
23.05
31.75
14.40
12.35
10.93
2.17
0
1.08
2.53
0.59
0.44
0.70
0
4.20
31.07
29.72
13.91
6.97
12.29
0
1.39
1.12
2.22
0.87
0
0
0.45
4.21
29.78
28.24
12.95
10.70
11.44
1.28
0.77
0
3.02
1.67
0
0.16
0
4.69
26.97
32.60
16.01
9.33
7.24
1.73
0.57
1.53
3.10
0.56
0.35
0
0
5.19
24.77
32.67
15.87
11.70
9.56
0
0
1.80
2.02
0.81
0.78
0
0
4.63
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Distance to:
Iasi_Catholic
5.43326789
Moldova_average
5.55427763
Moldova_North
5.58583924
Moldova_Centre
6.44661927
Bosniak
7.06778607
Romania_Moldavia_North
7.22285954
Serb_north
7.68597424
Serb
7.79770479
Croat_South
8.07681249
Romania_Maramures
8.08217174
Serb_central
8.27493807
Croat_East
8.76778193
Moldova_South
9.38444990
Croat
9.53475223
Csángó-Ceangău
9.58573941
Serb_south
9.84230664
Romania_Moldavia_South
9.88875624
Romania_average
9.89654990
Croat_West
10.12902266
Ukrainian_Carpathian
10.13739612
Székely
10.17188773
Romania_Transylvania
10.22074361
Bulgaria_Northwestern
10.28308320
Romania_Banat
10.40439330
Romania_Crisana
10.74022812
Hungarian_Alföld
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<tbody>
Distance to:
Iasi_Catholic
5.43326789
Moldova_average
5.55427763
Moldova_Nord
5.58583924
Moldova_Centru
7.01273841
Romania_Suceava_Botosani
7.06778607
Romania_Moldova_Nord
8.07681249
Romania_Maramures
8.76778193
Moldova_Sud
9.53475223
Romania_Moldova_Csango
9.84230664
Romania_Moldova_Sud
9.88875624
Romania_average
9.94884918
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
10.11136984
Romania_Ukrainian
10.12902266
Ukrainian_Carpathian
10.13739612
Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
10.17188773
Romania_Transilvania
10.28308320
Romania_Banat
10.40439330
Romania_Crisana
10.78969879
Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
10.98990446
Romania_Dobrogea
11.12849496
Romania_Oltenia
11.40168409
Romania_Muntenia
12.73158278
Bulgarian
14.33399805
Moldova_Gagauzia
16.99612015
Aromanian
20.68690890
Romania_Transilvania_Saxon
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<tbody>
Distance to:
Iasi_Catholic
4.51092008
Moldova_Balti_judet
4.90384543
Moldova_Chisinau_city
5.16220883
Moldova_Soroca_judet
6.26443932
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
6.30423667
Moldova_Balti_city
6.40301491
Moldova_Edinet_judet
6.64953382
Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
6.74241796
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
6.91164235
Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
7.28358428
Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
7.31488209
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
7.52325727
Moldova_Orhei_judet
8.45278652
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
8.76485026
Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
9.02852701
Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
9.22544850
Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
9.24637767
Romania_Moldavia_Csango
9.73972279
Moldova_Cahul_judet
10.11136984
Romania_Ukrainian
10.60683742
Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
10.65245981
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
11.62242229
Romania_Moldavia_Galati
11.70954312
Moldova_Tighina_judet
11.86161878
Romania_Moldavia_3/4Romanian_1/4Roma
12.52900635
Moldova_Ukrainian
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
02-27-2021, 06:42 PM
As some of you know, at the moment and until tomorrow, MyHeritage allows the free upload of DNA data.
Unfortunately, my imputed files on DNALand are still processing for the vast majority of academic samples from Balti and Stefan Voda. I managed only to upload one of them to MyHeritage, because I had its vcf already on DNALand a couple of months ago.
So here is MOL-005 from Caplani, Stefan Voda. I think it is safe to say that this individual is of colonist descent judging by the assigned genetic group, so at least some of the ancestors came from over the Danube in the 18-19th centuries.
K13
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F. Name
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
MOL-005
21.01
25.42
16.62
11.92
18.51
4.11
0.58
0
0
0
0.50
0.51
0.82
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MyHeritage
https://i.ibb.co/4m5HbWz/image.png
https://i.ibb.co/QHLyw7t/image.png
chrisbab
02-27-2021, 09:16 PM
As some of you know, at the moment and until tomorrow, MyHeritage allows the free upload of DNA data.
Unfortunately, my imputed files on DNALand are still processing for the vast majority of academic samples from Balti and Stefan Voda. I managed only to upload one of them to MyHeritage, because I had its vcf already on DNALand a couple of months ago.
So here is MOL-005 from Caplani, Stefan Voda. I think it is safe to say that this individual is of colonist descent judging by the assigned genetic group, so at least some of the ancestors came from over the Danube in the 18-19th centuries.
K13
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F. Name
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
MOL-005
21.01
25.42
16.62
11.92
18.51
4.11
0.58
0
0
0
0.50
0.51
0.82
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MyHeritage
https://i.ibb.co/4m5HbWz/image.png
https://i.ibb.co/QHLyw7t/image.png
Here is myheritage with 23andme raw data: 106267
Here is my father's myheritage with 23andme raw data: 106268
As you can see, he scores the double amount of ashkenazi as me.
i phased with my father on dnakitstudio and one of the parent phased had up to 3% of subsaharan when run with admixture studio. Do you know where is the problem?
Ion Basescul
02-28-2021, 08:57 AM
Here is myheritage with 23andme raw data: 106267
Here is my father's myheritage with 23andme raw data: 106268
As you can see, he scores the double amount of ashkenazi as me.
i phased with my father on dnakitstudio and one of the parent phased had up to 3% of subsaharan when run with admixture studio. Do you know where is the problem?
I wouldn't place much trust in phasing. Simply have some patience and test your mom or relatives on her side at some point.
Voidspawn
03-07-2021, 02:26 PM
100% Moldavian. Mom is from Botoșani but looks much darker than my dad from Galați.
North_Atlantic 22.61 Pct
Baltic 32.05 Pct
West_Med 14.5 Pct
West_Asian 7.73 Pct
East_Med 16.11 Pct
Red_Sea 2.23 Pct
South_Asian 0.96 Pct
East_Asian 0.44 Pct
Siberian 3.32 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
chrisbab
03-20-2021, 01:07 PM
I wouldn't place much trust in phasing. Simply have some patience and test your mom or relatives on her side at some point.
Here is my mother's 23andme: 106546
Here is her k13 fro, gedmatch: 106547
Can you do a pca from me my dad and my mom on your map?
Ion Basescul
03-20-2021, 01:34 PM
Here is my mother's 23andme: 106546
Here is her k13 fro, gedmatch: 106547
Can you do a pca from me my dad and my mom on your map?
I will at some point, but not today since I am not at my main computer. Is her ancestry from Covasna if I remember correctly?
chrisbab
03-20-2021, 02:14 PM
I will at some point, but not today since I am not at my main computer. Is her ancestry from Covasna if I remember correctly?
My father is 1/4 covasna. My maternal grandfather was probably from suceava (galanesti) based on his family name. My maternal grandmother is from slobozia conachi.
Ion Basescul
03-20-2021, 02:28 PM
My father is 1/4 covasna. My maternal grandfather was probably from suceava (galanesti) based on his family name. My maternal grandmother is from slobozia conachi.
It's not very reliable to guess based on the family name, but Galanesti is right on the border with Ukraine and your mom scores regions from there on 23andme. Maybe that could be indicative of ancestry from further North. Were your grandpa's parents not born in Galati county?
chrisbab
03-20-2021, 02:31 PM
It's not very reliable to guess based on the family name, but Galanesti is right on the border with Ukraine and your mom scores regions from there on 23andme. Maybe that could be indicative of ancestry from further North. Were your grandpa's parents not born in Galati county?
My maternal grandfather was born in galati but his parents, i don't know. His mom name was neaga and his father name was calistru metincu.
Aspirin
03-20-2021, 08:21 PM
I checked all the samples from Romania Moldova, and averages by counties, and it seems that nothing has been changed in terms of distribution of northern shifted and southern shifted counties despite the database is now much bigger than it was one year ago when first thread was started.
https://i.imgur.com/H3w0iHp.jpg
Is visible how most of the counties who bordering RM are more northern than these ones near Carpathians, except Suceava. Most northern counties are Suceava and Botoșani, then Iasi, then Vaslui, then Neamț who is very close to Vaslui average, then Bacău, and the most southern ones are Vrancea and Galați, Galați is close to Oltenia average (Western Wallachia).
https://i.imgur.com/cLBT18F.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TjuMHy6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QWWLB0v.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Jorg1cQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mT31cB1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kVpHmdQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DPHxkjq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/H3ZPDUr.jpg
Ion Basescul
03-20-2021, 08:27 PM
Sounds about right
chrisbab
03-21-2021, 04:58 PM
Sounds about right
Do you know where is the ancestry composition of your DNA relatives in 23andme? Did they take it out?
106561
Ion Basescul
03-21-2021, 05:26 PM
Do you know where is the ancestry composition of your DNA relatives in 23andme? Did they take it out?
106561
Yeah, I had a check right now and I cannot find it. The only thing that remains is the most frequent ancestry among relatives.
https://i.ibb.co/23nnDLx/image.png
Voidspawn
03-22-2021, 09:19 PM
A bit off topic but I wonder where Suceava and Botoșani would plot on the K15 map. North of the Moldavian dot, right? But how north are we talking about?
Ion Basescul
03-23-2021, 12:47 PM
A bit off topic but I wonder where Suceava and Botoșani would plot on the K15 map. North of the Moldavian dot, right? But how north are we talking about?
No idea, I don't use it personally.
I have shared K13 PCAs before though. But in Suceava and Botosani there is a lot of intra-country variation, which is not surprising considering how mixed some of them are.
chrisbab
03-24-2021, 03:39 AM
No idea, I don't use it personally.
I have shared K13 PCAs before though. But in Suceava and Botosani there is a lot of intra-country variation, which is not surprising considering how mixed some of them are.
And i forgot to say, do you know what is up with thoses small % of cypriot, anatolian and levantine componant that my mom gets?
Ion Basescul
03-24-2021, 10:02 AM
And i forgot to say, do you know what is up with thoses small % of cypriot, anatolian and levantine componant that my mom gets?
Beats me, maybe Sephardic Jewish or simply nothing exotic? It was regular to score 1-3% Anatolian in the previous version of 23andme, but since the update many people from the region score it in Trace ancestry, if at all. But there are cases where these percentages still uphold.
chrisbab
03-28-2021, 03:34 AM
Beats me, maybe Sephardic Jewish or simply nothing exotic? It was regular to score 1-3% Anatolian in the previous version of 23andme, but since the update many people from the region score it in Trace ancestry, if at all. But there are cases where these percentages still uphold.
When your get on your main computer post me the k13 pca with me and my parents.
Ion Basescul
03-31-2021, 07:59 PM
From Soroca county (Soroca county = Soroca, Drochia, Floresti, Soldanesti)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Soroca_judet_in_Moldova.svg/250px-Soroca_judet_in_Moldova.svg.png
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
25.44
29.77
16.15
8.80
11.82
4.87
0
0.80
2.36
0
0
0
0
25.32
32.15
14.04
12.58
7.45
1.30
3.45
0
1.42
1.49
0.29
0.52
0
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Compared to others from Soroca county
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
24.07
36.26
9.74
8.78
16.00
1.82
0
2.47
0.19
0.54
0.12
0
0
23.93
32.97
13.70
10.46
13.67
1.56
0.15
0.55
2.79
0
0
0.22
0
22.78
33.73
15.02
8.09
15.57
0.30
0.50
0.55
1.55
0.18
0.30
0
1.42
23.79
31.29
16.16
10.22
14.34
1.42
0.30
1.48
0
0
0.99
0
0
19.72
36.25
12.93
11.38
12.14
2.95
1.72
0.26
2.37
0.15
0.13
0
0
22.57
34.32
18.16
9.72
11.23
2.03
0
1.77
0
0
0
0.21
0
26.30
35.18
13.62
7.40
13.19
0.10
1.29
1.24
0.63
0.21
0.84
0
0
24.60
33.99
15.26
8.47
12.42
1.40
0.23
0.42
1.70
0.64
0.75
0
0.12
22.56
31.75
15.12
9.90
11.66
2.99
1.34
1.55
1.71
0.29
1.13
0
0
</tbody>
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1
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Distance to:
Drochia_ind
4.37699669
Csángó-Ceangău
4.49010022
Romania_Moldavia_North
4.91857703
Croat_South
4.94597816
Serb_north
5.07489901
Moldova_Centre
5.10750428
Székely
5.12619742
Bosniak
5.14369517
Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely
5.16137579
Moldova_average
5.41885597
Serb
5.49964544
Romania_Maramures
5.54170551
Serb_central
5.86652367
Croat_West
6.08737218
Croat
6.23551121
Moldova_North
6.66606331
Croat_East
6.87560179
Hungarian_Alföld
7.16081001
Romania_Crisana
7.42771836
Romania_Moldavia_South
7.53320649
Hungarian
7.59267410
Romania_Transylvania
8.04264260
Romania_average
8.07483746
Moldova_South
8.14525015
Montenegrin
8.15508430
Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Drochia_ind
5.07489901
Moldova_Centre
5.16137579
Moldova_average
6.23551121
Moldova_North
8.07483746
Moldova_South
10.12704794
Ukrainian_Carpathian
10.47113174
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
12.65130428
Ukrainian_Galicia
13.48304491
Moldova_Bulgarian
13.53309277
Moldova_Ukrainian
14.06553589
Moldova_South_Gagauzia
18.44031995
Ukrainian
20.91325895
Ukrainian_Belgorod
22.35495023
Russian_Smolensk
26.32599286
Crimean_Tatar
27.08377928
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
29.40838964
Russian_Pinega
33.50278794
Moldova_Jewish
36.03145709
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Drochia_ind
4.29802280
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
5.33044088
Moldova_Balti_city
5.37135923
Moldova_Orhei_judet
5.58446058
Moldova_Soroca_judet
5.59030411
Moldova_Balti_judet
5.63814686
Moldova_Chisinau_city
5.77473809
Moldova_Edinet_judet
6.62342057
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
6.95635681
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
7.26502581
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
7.95541325
Moldova_Cahul_judet
9.11078482
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
10.74269054
Moldova_Tighina_judet
13.53309277
Moldova_Ukrainian
14.13293671
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
14.26524798
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
33.50278794
Moldova_Jewish
36.00013889
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
2
<tbody>
Distance to:
Floresti_ind
7.04132090
Moldova_North
7.10418891
Csángó-Ceangău
7.88030456
Croat_East
8.04367453
Croat
8.06820302
Hungarian_Alföld
8.16468615
Bosniak
8.26360696
Moldova_Centre
8.42313481
Croat_South
8.50886596
Hungarian
8.60167426
Moldova_average
8.67095150
Romania_Moldavia_North
8.68137086
Croat_North
8.74602767
Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
8.88271355
Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely
8.95802992
Ukrainian_Carpathian
8.98806987
Székely
9.04589962
Croat_West
9.14766090
Serb_north
9.56635772
Hungarian_Northern
9.79869889
Slovenian
10.10885750
Serb
10.20730621
Slovak
10.30191730
Ukrainian_Galicia
10.51223573
Serb_central
10.51694347
Romania_Maramures
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Floresti_ind
7.04132090
Moldova_North
8.26360696
Moldova_Centre
8.60167426
Moldova_average
8.95802992
Ukrainian_Carpathian
10.30191730
Ukrainian_Galicia
10.58927760
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
11.58053539
Moldova_Ukrainian
12.79031665
Moldova_South
15.71225636
Ukrainian
17.13467829
Ukrainian_Belgorod
17.73950112
Moldova_Bulgarian
17.87695444
Moldova_South_Gagauzia
19.16857324
Russian_Smolensk
26.12859162
Crimean_Tatar
26.37160748
Russian_Pinega
27.00027592
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
35.45586411
Moldova_Roma
38.64677218
Moldova_Jewish
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Floresti_ind
5.75286885
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
6.16717926
Moldova_Orhei_judet
7.09822513
Moldova_Soroca_judet
7.35971467
Moldova_Edinet_judet
7.52584879
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
7.71110887
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
8.00388031
Moldova_Balti_judet
8.11970443
Moldova_Balti_city
8.93322450
Moldova_Chisinau_city
10.57299863
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
11.24814651
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
11.58053539
Moldova_Ukrainian
13.06502201
Moldova_Cahul_judet
15.45662965
Moldova_Tighina_judet
18.24895887
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
18.43717169
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
35.53588609
Moldova_Roma
38.64677218
Moldova_Jewish
</tbody>
Ion Basescul
03-31-2021, 08:19 PM
From Balti county (Balti county = Riscani, Glodeni, Falesti, Singerei)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Balti_judet_in_Moldova.svg/250px-Balti_judet_in_Moldova.svg.png
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
21.07
33.20
17.88
5.94
12.93
3.72
0.20
1.15
1.53
1.48
0
0
0.90
</tbody>
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Compared to others from Balti
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
21.77
34.40
15.61
12.12
9.73
1.40
0
0.83
2.20
1.11
0.82
0
0
18.83
35.80
15.59
10.88
11.39
1.98
1.46
0.60
1.77
1.37
0.20
0
0.12
25.81
33.39
14.59
8.56
11.04
1.78
0.45
1.13
0.97
0
1.61
0
0.68
19.29
30.14
16.78
10.68
19.18
0.74
0
1.61
0.06
0.67
0.87
0
0
23.18
31.34
14.97
9.87
13.15
1.89
1.16
0.39
1.93
1.14
0.15
0
0.83
24.47
34.41
16.08
7.67
11.63
1.84
0.48
0
2.71
0
0.71
0
0
24.90
34.32
14.54
5.42
14.28
2.29
1.58
0
2.07
0
0.34
0
0.25
26.22
34.90
12.85
10.54
10.96
1.08
0.09
1.83
0
0.52
0.41
0
0.59
25.36
29.58
14.13
9.39
15.86
2.33
0
2.32
0.90
0
0
0.14
0
19.50
33.15
15.66
10.76
14.42
2.92
0
0.71
1.98
0
0.89
0
0
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Distance to:
Riscani_ind
6.09013136
Moldova_average
6.18202232
Bosniak
6.30579892
Moldova_Centre
6.35956760
Moldova_North
6.73811546
Serb_north
6.98218447
Croat_South
7.19429635
Romania_Moldavia_North
7.25319929
Serb
7.43768781
Serb_central
7.70577705
Romania_Maramures
7.94432502
Croat_East
8.39518910
Croat
8.82019274
Croat_West
9.12685050
Csángó-Ceangău
9.13638331
Moldova_South
9.46654636
Serb_south
9.63543979
Székely
9.70161842
Hungarian_Alföld
9.76616609
Ukrainian_Carpathian
9.78234634
Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely
9.88521623
Romania_Moldavia_South
10.00653287
Romania_Crisana
10.12418886
Romania_average
10.14101573
Romania_Transylvania
10.49808078
Bulgaria_Northwestern
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Riscani_ind
6.09013136
Moldova_average
6.30579892
Moldova_Centre
6.35956760
Moldova_North
9.09970879
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
9.13638331
Moldova_South
9.76616609
Ukrainian_Carpathian
12.49375444
Moldova_Ukrainian
12.65731409
Ukrainian_Galicia
15.36404244
Moldova_South_Gagauzia
16.61367509
Moldova_Bulgarian
17.08746617
Ukrainian
19.90748352
Ukrainian_Belgorod
21.41923668
Russian_Smolensk
27.77219113
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
27.94130064
Russian_Pinega
28.01380374
Crimean_Tatar
34.42560239
Moldova_Jewish
37.11513438
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Riscani_ind
4.99885987
Moldova_Balti_judet
5.77350847
Moldova_Chisinau_city
6.14596616
Moldova_Soroca_judet
6.27323680
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
6.32574897
Moldova_Edinet_judet
6.77904861
Moldova_Balti_city
7.42837129
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
7.80335825
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
8.07144349
Moldova_Orhei_judet
8.74172180
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
9.64322042
Moldova_Cahul_judet
10.19824495
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
12.21289073
Moldova_Tighina_judet
12.49375444
Moldova_Ukrainian
15.16848048
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
16.79236136
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
34.42560239
Moldova_Jewish
37.02474443
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
chrisbab
04-01-2021, 09:25 PM
Beats me, maybe Sephardic Jewish or simply nothing exotic? It was regular to score 1-3% Anatolian in the previous version of 23andme, but since the update many people from the region score it in Trace ancestry, if at all. But there are cases where these percentages still uphold.
I will post my parents ftdna results if you are interessed from 23andmev5 upload. My mother did not score any sephardic or ashkenazi. I expected like a 5-6% jewish, anatolian or middle eastern in my mother's results but she have much less.
Here is my mother's ftdna: 106726
Here is my father's ftdna: 106728
A Moldovan
IB completely disregards Y-DNA but I will state it
R-CTS9219 (under R1b-M269)
U4b1a2
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.5
2 North_Atlantic 25.45
3 West_Med 13.01
4 East_Med 11.95
5 West_Asian 8.99
6 Red_Sea 4.09
7 Siberian 2.63
8 South_Asian 1.91
9 Sub-Saharan 0.27
10 East_Asian 0.19
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.37
2 Croatian 6.32
3 Serbian 6.38
4 Hungarian 7.31
5 Romanian 9.63
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.45
7 Austrian 11.56
8 Bulgarian 11.87
9 East_German 12.34
10 South_Polish 12.44
11 Ukrainian 13.07
12 Polish 15.84
13 Southwest_Russian 15.89
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.19
15 Russian_Smolensk 17.63
16 West_German 18.19
17 Estonian_Polish 18.19
18 Tatar 18.3
19 Belorussian 18.72
20 Kargopol_Russian 19.3
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.59
2 78.2% Serbian + 21.8% Erzya @ 2.74
3 71.2% Romanian + 28.8% East_Finnish @ 2.86
4 77% Serbian + 23% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.88
5 55.5% Estonian + 44.5% East_Sicilian @ 2.92
6 69.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.93
7 54.6% Estonian + 45.4% Central_Greek @ 3.01
8 59.7% Russian_Smolensk + 40.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.03
9 78% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.08
10 59% Estonian_Polish + 41% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.1
11 57.5% Kargopol_Russian + 42.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.13
12 71.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.4% East_Sicilian @ 3.13
13 58.3% Estonian + 41.7% South_Italian @ 3.17
14 67.7% Romanian + 32.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.2
15 73.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26.2% South_Italian @ 3.22
16 71.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.24
17 52.3% Greek_Thessaly + 47.7% Finnish @ 3.24
18 76.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.4% Italian_Jewish @ 3.24
19 55.2% Finnish + 44.8% Central_Greek @ 3.25
20 78% South_Polish + 22% Syrian @ 3.26
Ion Basescul
04-04-2021, 09:46 AM
A Moldovan
IB completely disregards Y-DNA but I will state it
R-CTS9219 (under R1b-M269)
U4b1a2
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.5
2 North_Atlantic 25.45
3 West_Med 13.01
4 East_Med 11.95
5 West_Asian 8.99
6 Red_Sea 4.09
7 Siberian 2.63
8 South_Asian 1.91
9 Sub-Saharan 0.27
10 East_Asian 0.19
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.37
2 Croatian 6.32
3 Serbian 6.38
4 Hungarian 7.31
5 Romanian 9.63
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.45
7 Austrian 11.56
8 Bulgarian 11.87
9 East_German 12.34
10 South_Polish 12.44
11 Ukrainian 13.07
12 Polish 15.84
13 Southwest_Russian 15.89
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.19
15 Russian_Smolensk 17.63
16 West_German 18.19
17 Estonian_Polish 18.19
18 Tatar 18.3
19 Belorussian 18.72
20 Kargopol_Russian 19.3
I actually started gathering yDNA/mtDNA data following your suggestion some time ago. I will use the data to update my thread on haplogroups. Can you pm me the details of this kit, so that I can check the origin?
Ion Basescul
04-04-2021, 11:16 AM
From Lapusna county (Lapusna county = Hincesti, Leova, Cimislia, Basarabeasca)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Lapusna_judet.svg/250px-Lapusna_judet.svg.png
This person is from Hincesti, but on the Northern tip, around 3km from Straseni district and just West of the Northern part of Chisinau. All of his great-grandparents were born in the same village. Very similar results to my brother's, but with significantly higher East Med. I think that some of it could go into West Med with a test that looks at more SNPs than 23andme v5.
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
20.84
33.29
12.22
10.70
19.69
0
0.38
2.18
0.24
0.25
0.22
0
0
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Compared to others from Lapusna county
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
18.71
29.10
18.39
10.79
14.63
4.48
0
0.85
0
2.02
0.74
0.25
0
23.31
29.55
17.84
7.30
16.55
1.29
1.96
0.80
0.24
0.79
0.35
0
0
25.25
29.29
15.51
8.52
14.17
0.18
3.22
0
2.38
0.33
0.68
0.46
0
21.75
29.53
15.63
11.25
16.39
0.98
1.08
0
3.24
0
0.15
0
0
20.92
28.56
14.80
9.67
22.16
0.86
1.64
0
0.64
0
0
0
0.75
</tbody>
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<tbody>
Distance to:
Hincesti_ind
7.50221301
Moldova_average
7.66197103
Moldova_Centre
8.37874096
Bosniak
8.62249384
Romania_Moldavia_North
8.83370251
Serb_north
8.95958704
Moldova_North
8.98005568
Serb
9.13210819
Moldova_South
9.14218245
Serb_central
9.15428315
Romania_Maramures
9.18466113
Serb_south
9.47109286
Bulgaria_Northwestern
9.73383789
Croat_South
9.75036922
Pomak_Greece
9.87420377
Romania_average
10.04461050
Romania_Moldavia_South
10.05828017
Pomak_Bulgaria
10.24404217
Romania_Banat
10.36204130
Romania_Transylvania
10.43999042
Croat_East
10.50016190
Romania_Dobruja
10.61039113
Romania_Wallachia
10.64759128
Romania_Muntenia
10.79033827
Bulgaria_Northcentral
10.82293860
Romania_Oltenia
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Hincesti_ind
7.50221301
Moldova_average
7.66197103
Moldova_Centre
8.95958704
Moldova_North
9.13210819
Moldova_South
12.83674414
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
12.98214543
Moldova_South_Gagauzia
13.18325832
Ukrainian_Carpathian
15.03080836
Moldova_Ukrainian
16.11599516
Moldova_Bulgarian
16.16931971
Ukrainian_Galicia
19.81276356
Ukrainian
21.14926003
Ukrainian_Belgorod
24.07922756
Russian_Smolensk
27.27772535
Crimean_Tatar
28.88014716
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
30.77077835
Moldova_Jewish
30.85449856
Russian_Pinega
35.29387057
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Hincesti_ind
6.13412585
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
6.89323581
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
7.12386833
Moldova_Chisinau_city
7.86440080
Moldova_Balti_city
8.10401752
Moldova_Balti_judet
8.39471262
Moldova_Soroca_judet
8.93023516
Moldova_Orhei_judet
9.04545190
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
9.45271390
Moldova_Edinet_judet
10.73591170
Moldova_Cahul_judet
11.08089347
Moldova_Tighina_judet
11.81040219
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
12.73027494
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
13.52886913
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
15.03080836
Moldova_Ukrainian
15.16371656
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
30.77077835
Moldova_Jewish
34.96596631
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
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Ion Basescul
04-04-2021, 09:08 PM
From Soroca county (Soroca county = Soroca, Drochia, Floresti, Soldanesti)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Soroca_judet_in_Moldova.svg/250px-Soroca_judet_in_Moldova.svg.png
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<tbody>
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
23.89
32.65
12.33
8.37
17.21
2.31
0.76
0
0.68
0.04
1.04
0.73
0
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Compared to others from Soroca county
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<tbody>
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
19.72
36.25
12.93
11.38
12.14
2.95
1.72
0.26
2.37
0.15
0.13
0
0
22.57
34.32
18.16
9.72
11.23
2.03
0
1.77
0
0
0
0.21
0
26.30
35.18
13.62
7.40
13.19
0.10
1.29
1.24
0.63
0.21
0.84
0
0
24.60
33.99
15.26
8.47
12.42
1.40
0.23
0.42
1.70
0.64
0.75
0
0.12
22.56
31.75
15.12
9.90
11.66
2.99
1.34
1.55
1.71
0.29
1.13
0
0
25.44
29.77
16.15
8.80
11.82
4.87
0
0.80
2.36
0
0
0
0
24.07
36.26
9.74
8.78
16.00
1.82
0
2.47
0.19
0.54
0.12
0
0
23.93
32.97
13.70
10.46
13.67
1.56
0.15
0.55
2.79
0
0
0.22
0
25.32
32.15
14.04
12.58
7.45
1.30
3.45
0
1.42
1.49
0.29
0.52
0
22.78
33.73
15.02
8.09
15.57
0.30
0.50
0.55
1.55
0.18
0.30
0
1.42
23.79
31.29
16.16
10.22
14.34
1.42
0.30
1.48
0
0
0.99
0
0
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<tbody>
Distance to:
Drochia_ind
4.71402164
Moldova_Centre
4.78345064
Moldova_average
4.85974279
Bosniak
5.38241581
Romania_Moldavia_North
5.65875428
Serb_north
5.88027210
Croat_South
6.22980738
Serb_central
6.23628094
Moldova_North
6.29628462
Serb
6.51791378
Croat_East
6.59978030
Romania_Maramures
6.99371861
Croat_West
7.36634916
Croat
7.85522756
Serb_south
8.10035802
Székely
8.22898536
Moldova_South
8.30249360
Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely
8.35369379
Romania_Moldavia_South
8.68646649
Romania_average
8.70848437
Romania_Transylvania
8.72133017
Romania_Crisana
8.84737814
Csángó-Ceangău
8.98727990
Bulgaria_Northwestern
9.07978524
Hungarian_Alföld
9.36174129
Romania_Banat
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Drochia_ind
4.71402164
Moldova_Centre
4.78345064
Moldova_average
6.23628094
Moldova_North
8.22898536
Moldova_South
9.44952909
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
9.85974138
Ukrainian_Carpathian
12.32834944
Moldova_Ukrainian
12.94847868
Ukrainian_Galicia
13.90185239
Moldova_South_Gagauzia
15.36621944
Moldova_Bulgarian
17.45738812
Ukrainian
19.47881927
Ukrainian_Belgorod
21.65141104
Russian_Smolensk
28.11829120
Crimean_Tatar
28.87808046
Russian_Pinega
29.11042253
Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
32.05109359
Moldova_Jewish
35.85989264
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Drochia_ind
4.13373923
Moldova_Balti_city
4.30091851
Moldova_Chisinau_city
5.02441041
Moldova_Soroca_judet
5.28863877
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
5.33712469
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
5.54383441
Moldova_Balti_judet
5.83505784
Moldova_Orhei_judet
5.91591075
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
6.02234174
Moldova_Edinet_judet
8.83439868
Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
9.41044632
Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
9.45791732
Moldova_Cahul_judet
11.00619825
Moldova_Tighina_judet
12.32834944
Moldova_Ukrainian
13.65266641
Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
15.04637830
Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
32.05109359
Moldova_Jewish
35.59067855
Moldova_Roma
</tbody>
Peterski
04-04-2021, 09:10 PM
How many Transnistria kits do you have?
Ion Basescul
04-04-2021, 09:51 PM
A Moldovan
IB completely disregards Y-DNA but I will state it
R-CTS9219 (under R1b-M269)
U4b1a2
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.5
2 North_Atlantic 25.45
3 West_Med 13.01
4 East_Med 11.95
5 West_Asian 8.99
6 Red_Sea 4.09
7 Siberian 2.63
8 South_Asian 1.91
9 Sub-Saharan 0.27
10 East_Asian 0.19
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.37
2 Croatian 6.32
3 Serbian 6.38
4 Hungarian 7.31
5 Romanian 9.63
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.45
7 Austrian 11.56
8 Bulgarian 11.87
9 East_German 12.34
10 South_Polish 12.44
11 Ukrainian 13.07
12 Polish 15.84
13 Southwest_Russian 15.89
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.19
15 Russian_Smolensk 17.63
16 West_German 18.19
17 Estonian_Polish 18.19
18 Tatar 18.3
19 Belorussian 18.72
20 Kargopol_Russian 19.3
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.7% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.59
2 78.2% Serbian + 21.8% Erzya @ 2.74
3 71.2% Romanian + 28.8% East_Finnish @ 2.86
4 77% Serbian + 23% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.88
5 55.5% Estonian + 44.5% East_Sicilian @ 2.92
6 69.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.93
7 54.6% Estonian + 45.4% Central_Greek @ 3.01
8 59.7% Russian_Smolensk + 40.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.03
9 78% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.08
10 59% Estonian_Polish + 41% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.1
11 57.5% Kargopol_Russian + 42.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.13
12 71.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.4% East_Sicilian @ 3.13
13 58.3% Estonian + 41.7% South_Italian @ 3.17
14 67.7% Romanian + 32.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.2
15 73.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26.2% South_Italian @ 3.22
16 71.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.24
17 52.3% Greek_Thessaly + 47.7% Finnish @ 3.24
18 76.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 23.4% Italian_Jewish @ 3.24
19 55.2% Finnish + 44.8% Central_Greek @ 3.25
20 78% South_Polish + 22% Syrian @ 3.26
I had this one actually. He's from Suceava, Romania.
Ion Basescul
04-04-2021, 09:53 PM
How many Transnistria kits do you have?
2 Moldovans/Romanians, 3 Ukrainians and about 4 Jews
Peterski
04-04-2021, 10:03 PM
2 Moldovans/Romanians, 3 Ukrainians and about 4 Jews
And they are all native to the territory?
There was a self-described Russian from Bender, posted by itilvolga.
Ion Basescul
04-04-2021, 10:23 PM
There was a self-described Russian from Bender, posted by itilvolga.
Oh yes, I forgot about that one, but his ancestry is in reality more complex
Peterski
04-07-2021, 12:46 AM
I don't like K13, I'm not sure why you are so obsessed about this calculator. Even K15 is better.
Ion Basescul
04-08-2021, 08:52 AM
I don't like K13, I'm not sure why you are so obsessed about this calculator. Even K15 is better.
Personal bias shouldn't affect the choice. I am on record to have said that I like K36 the most, and I actually wrote that I disliked K13 in the beginning. But having looked at multiple results and references over the years reinforced the idea that K13 is one of the best. K15 is too unstable by having similar components. The other solid choices are Dodecad K12b and K36 obv. But I have started with K13 since my first results were K13 donations from this forum. And now after a while about 25-30% of people in my database are not on GEDmatch, since I have reached out to them personally for just K13 results. It would be a waste to switch and also a lot of extra work.
Picking ten best samples from each major part of Moldavia (RO/MD) and doing updated averages for D K12b would be a good idea. The Gagauz are of course not needed.
Peterski
04-08-2021, 10:29 PM
BTW have you heard about New Serbia?:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Serbia_(historical_province)#Demographics
Most of the inhabitants were Moldovans.
Ion Basescul
04-11-2021, 10:00 PM
Latest county averages
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<tbody>
Name
Geography
Location/Ethnicity
Number of Samples
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
NE+NW Euro
Med Euro
Caucasus
SW Asia
Siberia
India
Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
North
Botosani
25
25.09
31.90
14.63
8.79
14.52
1.33
0.56
0.50
1.47
0.54
0.41
0.06
0.18
56.99
29.15
8.79
1.39
2.51
0.56
Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
North
Suceava
25
25.81
31.48
14.19
8.48
13.81
1.73
1.09
0.50
1.53
0.57
0.46
0.26
0.08
57.28
28.00
8.48
2.00
2.60
1.09
Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
North
Iasi
29
23.99
29.54
15.86
9.18
15.15
1.99
1.08
0.76
1.11
0.60
0.44
0.20
0.11
53.53
31.01
9.18
2.18
2.46
1.08
Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
North
Neamt
12
24.40
27.32
16.72
10.71
14.68
1.95
0.68
0.82
1.40
0.55
0.49
0.09
0.19
51.72
31.40
10.71
2.04
2.77
0.68
Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
South
Vaslui
12
25.57
27.52
15.61
9.54
16.09
1.86
0.51
0.40
1.84
0.50
0.23
0.15
0.18
53.09
31.71
9.54
2.01
2.74
0.51
Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
South
Bacau
16
23.57
27.20
17.08
10.14
16.57
2.00
0.61
0.60
0.75
0.75
0.49
0.08
0.17
50.77
33.64
10.14
2.08
2.10
0.61
Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
South
Vrancea
10
22.73
25.10
17.54
11.21
16.92
2.18
1.11
0.59
1.37
0.79
0.29
0.10
0.07
47.83
34.46
11.21
2.28
2.75
1.11
Romania_Moldavia_Galati
South
Galati
16
23.86
25.10
17.19
9.31
19.14
2.10
0.67
0.49
0.90
0.56
0.44
0.15
0.09
48.96
36.33
9.31
2.25
1.94
0.67
Moldova_Edinet_judet
North
Briceni, Ocnita, Edinet, Donduseni
11
25.08
33.98
14.96
8.70
12.40
1.46
0.39
0.51
1.26
0.75
0.24
0.17
0.09
59.05
27.36
8.70
1.63
2.53
0.39
Moldova_Soroca_judet
North
Soroca, Drochia, Floresti, Soldanesti
12
23.75
33.36
14.35
9.51
13.06
1.92
0.81
0.92
1.28
0.30
0.47
0.14
0.13
57.11
27.41
9.51
2.06
2.50
0.81
Moldova_Balti_judet
North
Riscani, Glodeni, Falesti, Singerei
11
22.76
33.15
15.33
9.26
13.14
2.00
0.49
0.96
1.47
0.57
0.55
0.01
0.31
55.91
28.48
9.26
2.01
3.00
0.49
Moldova_Balti_city
North
Balti
30
24.61
31.88
14.25
8.89
14.19
1.52
1.30
0.49
1.59
0.42
0.39
0.20
0.26
56.50
28.45
8.89
1.72
2.50
1.30
Moldova_Orhei_judet
Centre
Orhei, Telenesti, Rezina
5
24.99
31.97
14.03
10.90
12.70
1.42
1.00
0.17
1.67
0.37
0.36
0.21
0.21
56.96
26.72
10.90
1.63
2.22
1.00
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
Centre
Ungheni, Calarasi, Nisporeni
10
23.69
30.69
14.81
9.56
15.64
1.49
0.72
0.46
1.66
0.68
0.32
0.00
0.28
54.38
30.45
9.56
1.49
2.79
0.72
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
Centre
Ialoveni, Straseni, Criuleni, Anenii Noi
10
24.17
30.31
15.97
9.40
13.15
2.18
1.56
0.42
1.42
0.59
0.41
0.10
0.32
54.48
29.12
9.40
2.29
2.43
1.56
Moldova_Chisinau_city
Centre
Chisinau
25
22.84
31.74
15.01
9.02
14.72
1.88
1.29
0.67
1.75
0.35
0.49
0.18
0.04
54.58
29.74
9.02
2.06
2.77
1.29
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
Centre
Hincesti, Leova, Cimislia, Basarabeasca
6
21.80
29.89
15.73
9.71
17.27
1.30
1.38
0.64
1.12
0.57
0.36
0.12
0.13
51.68
33.00
9.71
1.42
2.33
1.38
Moldova_Tighina_judet
South
Causeni, Stefan Voda
12
21.11
24.57
17.88
11.84
18.98
3.10
0.27
0.49
0.77
0.36
0.32
0.12
0.20
45.68
36.86
11.84
3.22
1.62
0.27
Moldova_Cahul_judet
South
Cahul, Cantemir
11
22.92
25.92
18.53
9.90
16.87
2.02
0.60
0.64
1.49
0.58
0.34
0.13
0.07
48.84
35.41
9.90
2.14
2.72
0.60
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Quite strikingly similar averages in both halves of Moldavia!
Ion Basescul
04-11-2021, 10:14 PM
Quite strikingly similar averages in both halves of Moldavia!
Yes, with the exception of Tighina and Edinet counties because of likely Bulgarian and Ukrainian colonist backgrounds, both sides are pretty similar at the same latitudes.
Ion Basescul
04-11-2021, 10:19 PM
Test drive with the latest averages
<tbody>
Distance to:
IonBasescul_Merged
3.04420761
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
3.43346763
Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
3.57450696
Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
3.62392053
Moldova_Orhei_judet
3.72865928
Moldova_Balti_city
3.74611799
Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
4.01858184
Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
4.24483215
Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
4.39997727
Moldova_Chisinau_city
4.71987288
Moldova_Soroca_judet
4.91467191
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
4.96525931
Moldova_Balti_judet
5.19190716
Moldova_Edinet_judet
5.76712233
Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
6.21892274
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
7.13635061
Moldova_Cahul_judet
7.58739086
Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
8.48226385
Romania_Moldavia_Galati
10.04915419
Moldova_Tighina_judet
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
IonBasescul_MyHeritage
2.84794663
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
3.12454797
Moldova_Orhei_judet
3.78755858
Moldova_Balti_judet
3.89702451
Moldova_Chisinau_city
3.93541612
Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
3.97864298
Moldova_Soroca_judet
4.08853274
Moldova_Balti_city
4.32460403
Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
4.41961537
Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
4.54571227
Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
4.70699479
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
4.95942537
Moldova_Edinet_judet
5.68392470
Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
5.81341552
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
6.01039932
Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
7.34117838
Moldova_Cahul_judet
7.68283151
Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
9.25198357
Romania_Moldavia_Galati
9.85065988
Moldova_Tighina_judet
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
IonBasescul_brother_MyHeritage
3.82332316
Moldova_Balti_judet
4.41112231
Moldova_Soroca_judet
4.63793057
Moldova_Chisinau_city
4.99455704
Moldova_Orhei_judet
5.01695127
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
5.58613462
Moldova_Balti_city
5.68827742
Moldova_Edinet_judet
5.98104506
Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
6.07554113
Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
6.22997592
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
6.30393528
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
6.64805987
Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
7.25115163
Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
8.01515440
Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
8.58428797
Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
9.25688392
Moldova_Cahul_judet
9.60103640
Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
11.18518216
Moldova_Tighina_judet
11.24088075
Romania_Moldavia_Galati
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
IonBasescul_dad_MyHeritage
2.29510348
Moldova_Orhei_judet
3.60245749
Moldova_Soroca_judet
4.01798457
Moldova_Balti_city
4.12280244
Moldova_Balti_judet
4.13219070
Moldova_Edinet_judet
4.29156149
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
4.38778988
Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
4.62233707
Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
4.63047514
Moldova_Chisinau_city
5.52179319
Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
6.01818079
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
6.66481057
Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
6.82277803
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
7.28903972
Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
7.92328215
Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
9.56904384
Moldova_Cahul_judet
9.80443777
Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
11.05721032
Romania_Moldavia_Galati
11.90511655
Moldova_Tighina_judet
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
IonBasescul_mom_MyHeritage
5.77692825
Moldova_Balti_judet
6.29111278
Moldova_Soroca_judet
7.02600882
Moldova_Edinet_judet
7.16145935
Moldova_Chisinau_city
8.03019302
Moldova_Balti_city
8.21808372
Moldova_Orhei_judet
8.29841551
Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
8.82239763
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
8.93422073
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
9.14518453
Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
9.36735288
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
9.41058978
Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
11.50063911
Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
11.67994007
Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
12.16732921
Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
12.99055041
Moldova_Cahul_judet
13.76696045
Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
14.53124565
Romania_Moldavia_Galati
14.68777042
Moldova_Tighina_judet
</tbody>
Voidspawn
04-14-2021, 11:13 AM
I have my parents' MyHeritage results and they both plot to the north of me. Father is from Galați and mother from Botoșani. Phenotype-wise, I'd expect my dad to be slightly more nordic and my mom souther. But well, I'm not good enough at this and I used to think that looks are directly linked to genetic makeup.
https://i.imgur.com/QiUQiVf.png
From Yugoslavia, they both get some sort of Croat after Bosniak, while I get Serb :D
https://i.imgur.com/wWSIg3i.png
My mom's distances are a bit eerie. She definitely looks somewhat dark pigmented but not in the typically Balkan way. Looks exactly like this, Turanid is really visible.
https://i.imgur.com/q0fhfcY.png
Your mom's Mongoloid is high for Romania. Interestingly she scores high Baltic but also high East Med. Maybe that combination resulted in her look.
Can you show me your parents Dodecad K12b components?
Voidspawn
04-14-2021, 01:13 PM
Your mom's Mongoloid is high for Romania. Interestingly she scores high Baltic but also high East Med. Maybe that combination resulted in her look.
Can you show me your parents Dodecad K12b components?
https://i.imgur.com/2wngluM.png
chrisbab
04-15-2021, 02:43 AM
I have my parents' MyHeritage results and they both plot to the north of me. Father is from Galați and mother from Botoșani. Phenotype-wise, I'd expect my dad to be slightly more nordic and my mom souther. But well, I'm not good enough at this and I used to think that looks are directly linked to genetic makeup.
https://i.imgur.com/QiUQiVf.png
From Yugoslavia, they both get some sort of Croat after Bosniak, while I get Serb :D
https://i.imgur.com/wWSIg3i.png
My mom's distances are a bit eerie. She definitely looks somewhat dark pigmented but not in the typically Balkan way. Looks exactly like this, Turanid is really visible.
https://i.imgur.com/q0fhfcY.png
Your parents results are similar to mine. My father is 3/4 galati and 1/4 covasna while my mother is 1/2 galati and probably 1/2 suceava, her father was probably from suceava. My mother also have almost 4% of siberian in k13. She looks more southern than my dad but genetically, she seems more northem.
Ion Basescul
04-15-2021, 10:59 AM
Your parents results are similar to mine. My father is 3/4 galati and 1/4 covasna while my mother is 1/2 galati and probably 1/2 suceava, her father was probably from suceava. My mother also have almost 4% of siberian in k13. She looks more southern than my dad but genetically, she seems more northem.
They are not even close.
vbnetkhio
05-13-2021, 10:43 PM
As some of you know, at the moment and until tomorrow, MyHeritage allows the free upload of DNA data.
Unfortunately, my imputed files on DNALand are still processing for the vast majority of academic samples from Balti and Stefan Voda. I managed only to upload one of them to MyHeritage, because I had its vcf already on DNALand a couple of months ago.
So here is MOL-005 from Caplani, Stefan Voda. I think it is safe to say that this individual is of colonist descent judging by the assigned genetic group, so at least some of the ancestors came from over the Danube in the 18-19th centuries.
K13
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F. Name
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
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21.01
25.42
16.62
11.92
18.51
4.11
0.58
0
0
0
0.50
0.51
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MyHeritage
https://i.ibb.co/4m5HbWz/image.png
https://i.ibb.co/QHLyw7t/image.png
i've figured out FTDNA accepts academic sample uploads without any imputing, and you can see their matches.
it just needs to be converted using a 23andme, ancestry or MYheritage template.
Ion Basescul
05-14-2021, 09:59 AM
i've figured out FTDNA accepts academic sample uploads without any imputing, and you can see their matches.
it just needs to be converted using a 23andme, ancestry or MYheritage template.
That's good news because I've uploaded all samples from Reich and Estonian BioCentre to DNA.LAND and all of them are stuck at "In Progress". I think I've overwhelmed their system or maybe they've flagged my account.
The bad news is that you need to create a separate account for each sample, so I am not going to bother.
vbnetkhio
05-14-2021, 10:07 AM
That's good news because I've uploaded all samples from Reich and Estonian BioCentre to DNA.LAND and all of them are stuck at "In Progress". I think I've overwhelmed their system or maybe they've flagged my account.
The bad news is that you need to create a separate account for each sample, so I am not going to bother.
you can do all with the same mail, you'll just get a separate code and password for each file.
Sterling Archer
05-15-2021, 03:43 PM
I think this guy might be Romanian or Moldovan.
Y-DNA: J-M172
Eurogenese K13:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 30.31
2 Baltic 20.05
3 East_Med 18.14
4 West_Asian 13.84
5 West_Med 11.57
6 Red_Sea 3.15
7 Amerindian 2.08
8 Oceanian 0.87
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 8.79
2 Serbian 9.53
3 Bulgarian 10.55
4 Hungarian 13.96
5 Greek_Thessaly 14.77
6 Austrian 15.22
7 Moldavian 15.56
8 West_German 15.78
9 North_Italian 16.17
10 Tuscan 16.26
11 French 16.69
12 Italian_Abruzzo 16.92
13 Croatian 17.43
14 South_Dutch 17.64
15 East_German 17.74
16 Portuguese 19.51
17 West_Sicilian 19.62
18 Central_Greek 19.73
19 Spanish_Cataluna 20.5
20 Spanish_Galicia 20.5
Dodekad K12b:
Gedrosia 9.25 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.47 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 27.66 Pct
North_European 33.43 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.29 Pct
Southwest_Asian 6.1 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 22.8 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Romanian?
4.82311103 Moldovan_South
5.21053740 Montenegrin
5.34051496 Bulgarian_West
5.74108004 Bulgarian_Central
5.80943199 Macedonian_Polog
6.14525833 Pomak_Bulgaria
6.56746526 Moldovan_Gagauz
6.76184147 Greek_Macedonia
7.01685827 Macedonian_East
7.05117721 Bulgarian_East
7.37248262 Macedonian_Vardar
7.45576287 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
7.47405512 Serb
8.05517225 Pomak_Greece
8.37164858 Macedonian_South
8.79377621 Moldovan_Central
9.31700059 Italian_Friuli_VG
9.63591719 Turk_Deliorman
9.94951255 Albanian_Kosovo
10.15375300 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
10.39808155 Turk_Makedonya
10.91565390 Bulgarian_Thrace
11.02936535 Bosnian
11.79649524 Greek_Thessaly
11.87292719 Italian_Veneto
Distance to:
0.81320947 64.40% German + 35.60% Greek_Cappadocia
1.03695391 40.40% Greek_Cappadocia + 59.60% Swedish
1.88739589 67.40% German_Northwest + 32.60% Greek_Pontus
1.94927371 60.00% Danish + 40.00% Greek_Cappadocia
1.95131025 64.40% Danish + 35.60% Greek_Pontus
2.23527092 63.20% German_Northwest + 36.80% Greek_Cappadocia
2.28000684 78.60% Bulgarian_East + 21.40% Irish
2.30271060 32.20% Armenian_West + 67.80% German
2.30499804 55.60% German + 44.40% Greek_Crete
2.31949688 36.00% Greek_Pontus + 64.00% Swedish
2.32901436 31.80% Armenian_East + 68.20% Dutch
2.33067307 78.00% Bulgarian_East + 22.00% Scottish
2.35494289 20.00% Irish + 80.00% Moldovan_Gagauz
2.35562124 68.60% German + 31.40% Greek_Pontus
2.37659234 67.20% German_Northwest + 32.80% Turk_East_Black_Sea
2.37918160 79.40% Moldovan_Gagauz + 20.60% Scottish
2.40519905 70.20% Bulgarian_Thrace + 29.80% Icelandic
2.42428855 79.60% Greek_Macedonia + 20.40% Irish
2.42454408 70.00% Dutch + 30.00% Greek_Pontus
2.45746502 78.80% Greek_Macedonia + 21.20% Scottish
2.48188931 49.20% German + 50.80% Greek_Lemnos
2.48851161 53.60% German + 46.40% Greek_Izmir
2.49894040 49.60% Greek_Crete + 50.40% Swedish
2.54109099 34.20% Armenian_East + 65.80% German_Northwest
2.54163255 80.00% Greek_Macedonia + 20.00% Icelandic
Ion Basescul
05-16-2021, 03:34 PM
I think this guy might be Romanian or Moldovan.
You can send me the kit number and I'll check.
Ion Basescul
05-17-2021, 10:39 AM
I think this guy might be Romanian or Moldovan.
Y-DNA: J-M172
He's half Greek and half Swedish. There is a GEDmatch tree there if you are interested.
Sterling Archer
05-17-2021, 11:26 AM
He's half Greek and half Swedish. There is a GEDmatch tree there if you are interested.
Yeah, his last name sounded Greek to me.
I'd like to see the Gedmatch tree. How can I do it?
Ion Basescul
05-17-2021, 12:03 PM
Yeah, his last name sounded Greek to me.
I'd like to see the Gedmatch tree. How can I do it?
Paste the kit number in "One-to-many" and then copy the email from the top match, which is his mom. Paste it into "User Lookup" and then you will see two links at the bottom for the trees.
Ion Basescul
06-03-2021, 11:55 AM
From Iasi
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Kit
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
1
22.89
31.13
15.11
9.48
18.99
0.84
0.46
0.20
0.23
0.10
0.56
0
0
2
21.88
28.88
16.63
10.83
13.80
4.45
0
1.00
0.90
1.16
0.48
0
0
3
25.57
27.09
18.50
7.23
16.33
2.66
0
0
1.93
0.68
0
0
0
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Distance to: Iasi_1
4.08271968 Serb_Serbia_South
4.29004662 Serb_Serbia_Central
4.82072609 Moldova_average
4.85251481 Serb_Herzegovina
4.85813750 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.88567293 Serb_Croatia
4.90171399 Serb
5.08375845 Moldova_Centre
5.13781082 Romania_Maramures
5.38416196 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.40772595 Serb_Bosnia
5.48505242 Moldova_South
5.79578295 Bosniak
5.86351430 Bulgaria_Northwestern
5.87938772 Serb_Serbia_West
6.09774549 Romania_average
6.09934423 Romania_Moldavia_South
6.18366396 Montenegrin
6.37133424 Romania_Transylvania
6.57810003 Romania_Banat
6.64547967 Croat_South
6.70726472 Romania_Crisana
7.08029660 Romania_Oltenia
7.15794663 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
7.18702998 Romania_Dobruja
Distance to: Iasi_2
4.44960672 Moldova_average
4.50866943 Romania_Maramures
4.59863023 Serb_Serbia_South
4.70737719 Moldova_Centre
4.75074731 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.86425739 Serb
4.98818604 Moldova_South
4.99086165 Serb_Herzegovina
5.13555255 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.39629503 Serb_Serbia_West
5.46357941 Serb_Bosnia
5.47222076 Serb_Croatia
5.48795955 Serb_Serbia_Central
5.49685365 Romania_Moldavia_South
5.56506065 Romania_average
5.70269235 Montenegrin
5.78255134 Romania_Transylvania
5.93250369 Romania_Banat
5.98159678 Bosniak
6.38266402 Romania_Crisana
6.43384799 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
6.45326274 Bulgaria_Northwestern
6.60448333 Romania_Oltenia
6.70410322 Romania_Dobruja
6.75267354 Croat_South
Distance to: Iasi_3
3.24855352 Serb_Herzegovina
3.26220784 Romania_Crisana
3.40213168 Montenegrin
3.54811217 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
3.68009511 Serb_Serbia_Central
3.72549326 Romania_Maramures
3.89146502 Romania_Transylvania
3.95795402 Romania_Moldavia_South
4.01952734 Serb_Serbia_West
4.02067159 Serb
4.08352789 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
4.28833301 Serb_Serbia_South
4.45937215 Serb_Croatia
4.62732104 Romania_average
5.00657568 Bosniak_Sandzak
5.10975538 Moldova_South
5.15569588 Romania_Banat
5.17314218 Romania_Oltenia
5.32841440 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.68279861 Bulgaria_Northwestern
5.72596717 Serb_Bosnia
6.19246316 Romania_Dobruja
6.21082925 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
6.23326560 Romania_Wallachia
6.50787216 Croat_South
Distance to: Iasi_1
2.90814374 Moldova_Lapusna_judet
3.90224294 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
4.71673616 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
4.81998963 Moldova_Chisinau_city
5.31508231 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
5.32366415 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
5.56679441 Moldova_Balti_city
5.73383816 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
6.37193848 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
6.48131931 Moldova_Chisinau_judet
6.49580634 Moldova_Balti_judet
6.53931954 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
6.64085085 Romania_Moldavia_Galati
6.66710582 Moldova_Soroca_judet
6.72346637 Moldova_Cahul_judet
7.12503333 Moldova_Orhei_judet
7.33504601 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
7.67904291 Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi)
7.68672882 Moldova_Edinet_judet
8.07115853 Moldova_Tighina_judet
9.10712908 Romania_Moldavia_3/4Romanian_1/4Roma
9.69745843 Romania_Moldavia_Csango
10.45568267 Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
11.46690891 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
11.70255955 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
Distance to: Iasi_2
4.12214750 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
4.20863398 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
4.33906672 Moldova_Chisinau_judet
4.55967104 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
5.03455063 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
5.06346719 Moldova_Chisinau_city
5.24695150 Moldova_Lapusna_judet
5.48908007 Moldova_Cahul_judet
5.53318172 Moldova_Balti_judet
5.67266251 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
5.71661613 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
6.14063515 Moldova_Balti_city
6.24817573 Moldova_Soroca_judet
6.25721184 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
6.27570713 Moldova_Orhei_judet
6.58308438 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
7.17470557 Moldova_Tighina_judet
7.43373392 Moldova_Edinet_judet
7.48145039 Romania_Moldavia_Galati
7.53929042 Romania_Moldavia_Csango
7.53976790 Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi)
8.87680123 Romania_Moldavia_3/4Romanian_1/4Roma
10.33619369 Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
10.48388764 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
11.06048824 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
Distance to: Iasi_3
3.89089964 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
4.11358724 Moldova_Cahul_judet
4.17068340 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
4.65232200 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
4.80883562 Romania_Moldavia_Galati
4.87655616 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
5.60099098 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
6.07780388 Moldova_Chisinau_judet
6.19419890 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
6.46161744 Moldova_Lapusna_judet
6.84257992 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
6.96989240 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
7.08438424 Moldova_Chisinau_city
7.27571302 Moldova_Balti_city
7.43297383 Romania_Moldavia_Csango
7.55065560 Moldova_Tighina_judet
8.43713814 Moldova_Balti_judet
8.58635546 Moldova_Orhei_judet
8.86642544 Moldova_Soroca_judet
8.95824760 Moldova_Edinet_judet
9.19463974 Romania_Moldavia_3/4Romanian_1/4Roma
9.92044858 Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi)
10.69519986 Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
10.69889247 Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
11.17832277 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
Ion Basescul
06-03-2021, 12:08 PM
From Neamt
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Kit
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
1
23.50
28.38
14.80
11.22
14.30
3.71
0
0.27
2.49
0
1.18
0.12
0
2
22.00
29.78
13.87
10.16
13.88
3.86
0
0.97
1.74
1.79
1.94
0
0
3
24.27
27.22
17.69
8.34
18.12
0
0
0.17
0.19
2.21
0
0.78
0.98
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Distance to: Neamt_1
3.86036268 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.20119031 Moldova_Centre
4.21378690 Moldova_average
4.33367050 Romania_Maramures
4.54138745 Serb_Serbia_South
4.75400883 Serb
5.01939239 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.07454431 Romania_Moldavia_South
5.10020588 Serb_Herzegovina
5.11024461 Serb_Serbia_West
5.13715875 Serb_Croatia
5.19664315 Serb_Serbia_Central
5.27802046 Serb_Bosnia
5.31328524 Moldova_South
5.35883383 Romania_average
5.37549068 Romania_Transylvania
5.75953991 Montenegrin
5.80597106 Bosniak
5.87795883 Romania_Crisana
5.91949322 Romania_Banat
6.30664729 Croat_South
6.45559447 Csángó-Ceangău
6.46546209 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
6.50236880 Romania_Oltenia
6.55789600 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
Distance to: Neamt_2
4.04455189 Moldova_average
4.06366829 Moldova_Centre
4.54218009 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.52249038 Romania_Maramures
5.52951173 Bosniak
5.63874986 Serb_Bosnia
5.69536654 Serb_Serbia_South
5.73327132 Serb
5.92622983 Serb_Croatia
6.02734602 Serb_Serbia_Central
6.11404122 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
6.13056278 Moldova_North
6.28010350 Serb_Herzegovina
6.31219455 Serb_Serbia_West
6.48066355 Moldova_South
6.53649753 Croat_South
6.77867244 Romania_Moldavia_South
6.99673495 Romania_average
7.16222731 Romania_Transylvania
7.31553826 Csángó-Ceangău
7.40755695 Montenegrin
7.56437704 Romania_Banat
7.62939054 Romania_Crisana
7.70822937 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.79405543 Bosniak_Bosnia
Distance to: Neamt_3
3.59895818 Serb_Herzegovina
3.63250602 Montenegrin
3.72601664 Romania_Crisana
3.82717912 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
3.85075317 Romania_Transylvania
3.88041235 Romania_Moldavia_South
3.95924235 Serb_Serbia_South
4.12898293 Romania_average
4.14717976 Serb_Serbia_Central
4.22142156 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
4.48637939 Moldova_South
4.49593149 Romania_Oltenia
4.50975609 Romania_Maramures
4.51621523 Bulgaria_Northwestern
4.54081490 Bosniak_Sandzak
4.56852274 Serb
4.61722861 Romania_Banat
5.00449798 Serb_Serbia_West
5.08200748 Serb_Croatia
5.24200343 Romania_Wallachia
5.38793096 Romania_Dobruja
5.64593659 Romania_Muntenia
5.73900688 Bulgaria_Southwestern
6.03744979 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.29185187 Bulgaria_average
Distance to: Neamt_1
3.14674435 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
3.82665650 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
4.12491212 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
4.14286133 Moldova_Chisinau_judet
4.17014388 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
4.51849532 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
4.80729654 Moldova_Chisinau_city
5.11385373 Moldova_Orhei_judet
5.23875940 Moldova_Balti_city
5.27982007 Moldova_Lapusna_judet
5.37517442 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
5.47888675 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
5.66345301 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
5.84316695 Moldova_Cahul_judet
5.85485269 Moldova_Balti_judet
5.99043404 Moldova_Soroca_judet
6.42499027 Romania_Moldavia_Csango
6.56762514 Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi)
7.08247838 Romania_Moldavia_Galati
7.21693841 Moldova_Edinet_judet
7.50748959 Moldova_Tighina_judet
8.99893327 Romania_Moldavia_3/4Romanian_1/4Roma
9.38585638 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
10.57194873 Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
10.86946181 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
Distance to: Neamt_2
4.21149617 Moldova_Chisinau_city
4.28510210 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
4.41441955 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
4.47934147 Moldova_Chisinau_judet
4.76582627 Moldova_Balti_judet
4.91631976 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
4.98808581 Moldova_Balti_city
5.12401210 Moldova_Soroca_judet
5.27771731 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
5.28216812 Moldova_Orhei_judet
5.30789035 Moldova_Lapusna_judet
5.48439605 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
5.90169467 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
5.94867212 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
6.02736261 Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi)
6.55737752 Moldova_Edinet_judet
7.14100133 Romania_Moldavia_Csango
7.30649027 Moldova_Cahul_judet
7.37031207 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
8.54695852 Romania_Moldavia_Galati
8.91034231 Moldova_Tighina_judet
9.54472105 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
9.63870323 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
9.66155267 Romania_Moldavia_3/4Romanian_1/4Roma
11.32506071 Romania_Ukrainian
Distance to: Neamt_3
3.85919681 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
4.05762246 Romania_Moldavia_Galati
4.22120836 Moldova_Cahul_judet
4.70917190 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
5.22985659 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
5.23336412 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
5.24496902 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
5.32243365 Moldova_Lapusna_judet
6.06924213 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
6.68763037 Moldova_Tighina_judet
7.12691378 Moldova_Chisinau_judet
7.28327536 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
7.38278403 Moldova_Chisinau_city
7.72567149 Moldova_Balti_city
7.83785685 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
8.13818162 Romania_Moldavia_3/4Romanian_1/4Roma
8.89932020 Moldova_Balti_judet
9.05794127 Moldova_Orhei_judet
9.24033008 Romania_Moldavia_Csango
9.25488520 Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
9.33768173 Moldova_Soroca_judet
9.67223862 Moldova_Edinet_judet
10.01791895 Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
10.20173025 Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi)
12.72244866 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
Ion Basescul
06-03-2021, 12:21 PM
From Vaslui
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Vaslui_in_Romania.svg/250px-Vaslui_in_Romania.svg.png
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Kit
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
1
23.32
29.59
17.38
9.22
14.77
2.16
2.32
0
1.24
0
0
0
0
2
25.62
27.40
15.00
6.11
19.01
2.39
0
0.44
2.96
0
1.08
0
0
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Distance to: Vaslui_1
2.48439127 Romania_Maramures
2.58609745 Serb
2.94723599 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
3.05298215 Serb_Serbia_West
3.06468595 Moldova_average
3.12568393 Romania_Moldavia_North
3.15988924 Serb_Croatia
3.22091602 Moldova_Centre
3.29018237 Serb_Serbia_South
3.30904820 Serb_Bosnia
3.31737848 Serb_Herzegovina
3.32743144 Serb_Serbia_Central
4.36043576 Bosniak
4.40287406 Moldova_South
4.61643802 Romania_Moldavia_South
4.66514737 Montenegrin
4.70751527 Romania_Crisana
4.81444701 Croat_South
4.84846367 Romania_Transylvania
4.95590557 Romania_average
5.43995404 Romania_Banat
5.70121917 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
6.04667677 Romania_Oltenia
6.09180597 Bulgaria_Northwestern
6.42251508 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
Distance to: Vaslui_2
5.20410415 Serb_Serbia_Central
5.66292327 Serb_Herzegovina
5.75874118 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.76948871 Serb_Serbia_South
5.77806196 Romania_Moldavia_South
5.79826698 Romania_Maramures
5.87869033 Romania_Crisana
5.93839204 Romania_Transylvania
6.04980165 Montenegrin
6.21633332 Serb_Croatia
6.24666311 Serb
6.26928226 Romania_average
6.53055893 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.58054709 Bulgaria_Northwestern
6.61338038 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
6.62169163 Moldova_South
6.65861848 Serb_Serbia_West
6.83350569 Romania_Banat
6.95127326 Romania_Oltenia
7.29335314 Bosniak_Sandzak
7.34827871 Romania_Dobruja
7.43536818 Serb_Bosnia
7.44251302 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.44459536 Romania_Wallachia
7.51120496 Moldova_average
Distance to: Vaslui_1
2.37495263 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
2.70207328 Moldova_Chisinau_judet
3.49077355 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
3.57172227 Moldova_Chisinau_city
3.58669765 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
3.76111686 Moldova_Lapusna_judet
3.78664759 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
4.10644615 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
4.40444094 Moldova_Balti_city
4.56771278 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
4.87687400 Moldova_Cahul_judet
4.90508919 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
4.99207372 Moldova_Balti_judet
5.44440998 Moldova_Orhei_judet
5.48816909 Moldova_Soroca_judet
5.62752166 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
6.26465482 Moldova_Edinet_judet
6.46611166 Romania_Moldavia_Csango
6.57361392 Romania_Moldavia_Galati
7.10209828 Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi)
7.35076187 Romania_Moldavia_3/4Romanian_1/4Roma
7.79464560 Moldova_Tighina_judet
9.02131919 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
10.30607103 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
10.87382178 Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
Distance to: Vaslui_2
4.59619408 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
5.38270378 Romania_Moldavia_Galati
6.07872520 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
6.09452213 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
6.47932867 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
6.55971036 Moldova_Cahul_judet
6.68623212 Moldova_Lapusna_judet
6.71813962 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
7.24207843 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
7.37909209 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
7.45397210 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
7.57509736 Moldova_Chisinau_city
7.59606477 Moldova_Balti_city
7.90153783 Moldova_Chisinau_judet
8.69565409 Moldova_Tighina_judet
9.11972039 Romania_Moldavia_Csango
9.45066664 Moldova_Balti_judet
9.45538471 Moldova_Orhei_judet
9.53057711 Moldova_Soroca_judet
9.89365453 Romania_Moldavia_3/4Romanian_1/4Roma
9.96026104 Moldova_Edinet_judet
10.20691432 Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi)
11.25964031 Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
11.56547016 Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
12.15583399 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
WeirdLookingFellow
06-03-2021, 01:00 PM
Latest county averages
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Name
Geography
Location/Ethnicity
Number of Samples
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
NE+NW Euro
Med Euro
Caucasus
SW Asia
Siberia
India
Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
North
Botosani
25
25.09
31.90
14.63
8.79
14.52
1.33
0.56
0.50
1.47
0.54
0.41
0.06
0.18
56.99
29.15
8.79
1.39
2.51
0.56
Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
North
Suceava
25
25.81
31.48
14.19
8.48
13.81
1.73
1.09
0.50
1.53
0.57
0.46
0.26
0.08
57.28
28.00
8.48
2.00
2.60
1.09
Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
North
Iasi
29
23.99
29.54
15.86
9.18
15.15
1.99
1.08
0.76
1.11
0.60
0.44
0.20
0.11
53.53
31.01
9.18
2.18
2.46
1.08
Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
North
Neamt
12
24.40
27.32
16.72
10.71
14.68
1.95
0.68
0.82
1.40
0.55
0.49
0.09
0.19
51.72
31.40
10.71
2.04
2.77
0.68
Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
South
Vaslui
12
25.57
27.52
15.61
9.54
16.09
1.86
0.51
0.40
1.84
0.50
0.23
0.15
0.18
53.09
31.71
9.54
2.01
2.74
0.51
Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
South
Bacau
16
23.57
27.20
17.08
10.14
16.57
2.00
0.61
0.60
0.75
0.75
0.49
0.08
0.17
50.77
33.64
10.14
2.08
2.10
0.61
Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
South
Vrancea
10
22.73
25.10
17.54
11.21
16.92
2.18
1.11
0.59
1.37
0.79
0.29
0.10
0.07
47.83
34.46
11.21
2.28
2.75
1.11
Romania_Moldavia_Galati
South
Galati
16
23.86
25.10
17.19
9.31
19.14
2.10
0.67
0.49
0.90
0.56
0.44
0.15
0.09
48.96
36.33
9.31
2.25
1.94
0.67
Moldova_Edinet_judet
North
Briceni, Ocnita, Edinet, Donduseni
11
25.08
33.98
14.96
8.70
12.40
1.46
0.39
0.51
1.26
0.75
0.24
0.17
0.09
59.05
27.36
8.70
1.63
2.53
0.39
Moldova_Soroca_judet
North
Soroca, Drochia, Floresti, Soldanesti
12
23.75
33.36
14.35
9.51
13.06
1.92
0.81
0.92
1.28
0.30
0.47
0.14
0.13
57.11
27.41
9.51
2.06
2.50
0.81
Moldova_Balti_judet
North
Riscani, Glodeni, Falesti, Singerei
11
22.76
33.15
15.33
9.26
13.14
2.00
0.49
0.96
1.47
0.57
0.55
0.01
0.31
55.91
28.48
9.26
2.01
3.00
0.49
Moldova_Balti_city
North
Balti
30
24.61
31.88
14.25
8.89
14.19
1.52
1.30
0.49
1.59
0.42
0.39
0.20
0.26
56.50
28.45
8.89
1.72
2.50
1.30
Moldova_Orhei_judet
Centre
Orhei, Telenesti, Rezina
5
24.99
31.97
14.03
10.90
12.70
1.42
1.00
0.17
1.67
0.37
0.36
0.21
0.21
56.96
26.72
10.90
1.63
2.22
1.00
Moldova_Ungheni_judet
Centre
Ungheni, Calarasi, Nisporeni
10
23.69
30.69
14.81
9.56
15.64
1.49
0.72
0.46
1.66
0.68
0.32
0.00
0.28
54.38
30.45
9.56
1.49
2.79
0.72
Moldova_Chisinau_judet
Centre
Ialoveni, Straseni, Criuleni, Anenii Noi
10
24.17
30.31
15.97
9.40
13.15
2.18
1.56
0.42
1.42
0.59
0.41
0.10
0.32
54.48
29.12
9.40
2.29
2.43
1.56
Moldova_Chisinau_city
Centre
Chisinau
25
22.84
31.74
15.01
9.02
14.72
1.88
1.29
0.67
1.75
0.35
0.49
0.18
0.04
54.58
29.74
9.02
2.06
2.77
1.29
Moldova_Lapusna_judet
Centre
Hincesti, Leova, Cimislia, Basarabeasca
6
21.80
29.89
15.73
9.71
17.27
1.30
1.38
0.64
1.12
0.57
0.36
0.12
0.13
51.68
33.00
9.71
1.42
2.33
1.38
Moldova_Tighina_judet
South
Causeni, Stefan Voda
12
21.11
24.57
17.88
11.84
18.98
3.10
0.27
0.49
0.77
0.36
0.32
0.12
0.20
45.68
36.86
11.84
3.22
1.62
0.27
Moldova_Cahul_judet
South
Cahul, Cantemir
11
22.92
25.92
18.53
9.90
16.87
2.02
0.60
0.64
1.49
0.58
0.34
0.13
0.07
48.84
35.41
9.90
2.14
2.72
0.60
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Seems my combo of North+South places me comfortably in the Centre in terms of NE+NW.
While not necessarily very relevant due to generational distance, my paternal grandfather's village was founded by Romanian shepherd colonists from a previous border between Moldavia and Transylvania in the late 18th century. These Transylvanians themselves came from further West to colonize the border village. If there was a founder effect, it may have conserved some higher Western E. ancestry. Ofc, this is at most a supposition if you don't test the entire village.
Ion Basescul
06-03-2021, 11:32 PM
Seems my combo of North+South places me comfortably in the Centre in terms of NE+NW.
While not necessarily very relevant due to generational distance, my paternal grandfather's village was founded by Romanian shepherd colonists from a previous border between Moldavia and Transylvania in the late 18th century. These Transylvanians themselves came from further West to colonize the border village. If there was a founder effect, it may have conserved some higher Western E. ancestry. Ofc, this is at most a supposition if you don't test the entire village.
Yeah, who knows, but you are certainly not the only one with more NA than Baltic.
Here is your distance to all counties in Romania.
Distance to: Fellow
4.86476104 Romania_Crisana_Arad
5.20363335 Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
5.34705526 Romania_Transylvania_Alba
5.70560251 Romania_Crisana_Bihor
5.76362733 Romania_Moldavia_Galati
5.87610415 Romania_Oltenia_Gorj
6.12294047 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
6.16490065 Romania_Transylvania_Brasov
6.24306816 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
6.28269846 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
6.28364544 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
6.45496708 Romania_Transylvania_Mures
6.54553283 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
6.68140704 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
6.74188401 Romania_Oltenia_Olt
6.98758900 Romania_Oltenia_Mehedinti
7.00800257 Romania_Banat_Timis
7.10619448 Romania_Oltenia_Dolj
7.14108535 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
7.19626987 Romania_Muntenia_Dambovita
7.29205047 Romania_Oltenia_Valcea
7.36997286 Romania_Muntenia_Braila
7.44898651 Romania_Muntenia_Prahova
7.47582771 Romania_Muntenia_Arges
7.52048536 Romania_Muntenia_Bucuresti
7.86951079 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
7.90711072 Romania_Maramures_Maramures
7.90967130 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
7.93494171 Romania_Dobruja_Constanta
7.94479075 Romania_Crisana_Salaj
8.00684707 Romania_Muntenia_Ilfov
8.29903609 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
8.66075054 Romania_Muntenia_Buzau
8.70387270 Romania_Muntenia_Calarasi
8.79924429 Romania_Muntenia_Teleorman
8.92745204 Romania_Muntenia_Ialomita
9.14450108 Romania_Transylvania_Covasna
9.61878371 Romania_Dobruja_Tulcea
9.77717751 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
9.81101932 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
10.53469031 Romania_Muntenia_Giurgiu
2Way
Distance to: Fellow
4.53559181 40.80% Romania_Maramures_SatuMare + 59.20% Romania_Crisana_Arad
4.79533537 61.20% Romania_Maramures_SatuMare + 38.80% Romania_Moldavia_Galati
4.79758668 20.60% Romania_Crisana_Bihor + 79.40% Romania_Crisana_Arad
4.81665829 37.00% Romania_Oltenia_Gorj + 63.00% Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
4.82827337 84.20% Romania_Crisana_Arad + 15.80% Romania_Moldavia_Galati
4.84008280 45.60% Romania_Transylvania_Alba + 54.40% Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
4.85905630 94.40% Romania_Crisana_Arad + 5.60% Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
4.86156956 4.40% Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud + 95.60% Romania_Crisana_Arad
4.86218027 98.20% Romania_Crisana_Arad + 1.80% Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
4.86323378 2.00% Romania_Crisana_Salaj + 98.00% Romania_Crisana_Arad
4.86331324 98.60% Romania_Crisana_Arad + 1.40% Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
4.94661895 26.00% Romania_Oltenia_Olt + 74.00% Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
4.94698615 23.60% Romania_Muntenia_Dambovita + 76.40% Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
4.96007097 20.00% Romania_Muntenia_Ilfov + 80.00% Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
5.04981916 14.80% Romania_Muntenia_Teleorman + 85.20% Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
5.05373086 16.80% Romania_Dobruja_Constanta + 83.20% Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
5.05799247 18.20% Romania_Muntenia_Prahova + 81.80% Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
5.09234312 13.20% Romania_Muntenia_Calarasi + 86.80% Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
5.10120927 80.00% Romania_Maramures_SatuMare + 20.00% Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
5.10292134 16.40% Romania_Oltenia_Valcea + 83.60% Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
5.10715158 16.80% Romania_Oltenia_Dolj + 83.20% Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
5.10758597 15.40% Romania_Muntenia_Arges + 84.60% Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
5.11062124 9.60% Romania_Muntenia_Giurgiu + 90.40% Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
5.12792194 13.80% Romania_Muntenia_Bucuresti + 86.20% Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
5.13495135 19.80% Romania_Transylvania_Brasov + 80.20% Romania_Maramures_SatuMare
Ion Basescul
06-08-2021, 08:29 AM
From Iasi
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Iasi_in_Romania.svg/250px-Iasi_in_Romania.svg.png
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
24.68
27.58
16.24
7.32
17.79
2.47
1.33
1.91
0
0.13
0.54
0
0
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Distance to: Iasi_ind
3.39869092 Romania_Maramures
3.51828083 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
3.55501055 Serb_Herzegovina
3.55624802 Serb_Serbia_Central
3.62527240 Serb_Serbia_South
3.90696813 Romania_Moldavia_South
3.97026447 Romania_Crisana
4.06882047 Montenegrin
4.09605908 Romania_Transylvania
4.29026806 Serb
4.37802467 Romania_average
4.44236424 Serb_Croatia
4.68670460 Moldova_South
4.82356714 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
4.86694976 Serb_Serbia_West
4.87743785 Bulgaria_Northwestern
5.00711494 Romania_Oltenia
5.02360428 Romania_Banat
5.02684792 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.59619514 Bosniak_Sandzak
5.73058461 Romania_Dobruja
5.77929061 Romania_Wallachia
5.86570541 Serb_Bosnia
5.97483054 Moldova_average
6.15852255 Moldova_Centre
Distance to: Iasi_ind
3.75299880 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
3.86820372 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
4.13911826 Romania_Moldavia_Galati
4.15517749 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
4.70384949 Moldova_Cahul_judet
4.90507900 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
4.93650686 Moldova_Lapusna_judet
5.38118017 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
5.63885627 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
6.19324632 Moldova_Chisinau_judet
6.28917324 Moldova_Chisinau_city
6.36701657 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
6.56380987 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
6.59863622 Moldova_Balti_city
7.11523717 Moldova_Tighina_judet
8.07497988 Moldova_Balti_judet
8.26293531 Moldova_Soroca_judet
8.36087914 Romania_Moldavia_Csango
8.37752350 Moldova_Orhei_judet
8.92623101 Moldova_Edinet_judet
9.22474390 Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi)
10.04709411 Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
10.44077104 Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
11.53269700 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
12.97860547 Romania_Ukrainian
Ion Basescul
06-08-2021, 08:45 AM
From Vaslui
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Vaslui_in_Romania.svg/250px-Vaslui_in_Romania.svg.png
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Kit
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
1
23.81
29.24
16.35
9.18
14.55
1.77
0.71
2.38
0.29
1.10
0.28
0.07
0.27
2
25.95
26.86
16.56
8.84
14.56
4.21
1.26
0.61
0
0
0.22
0.59
0.31
3
27.74
26.95
15.85
10.96
13.15
2.59
0.29
0
1.48
0.14
0.22
0
0.64
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Distance to: Vaslui_1
2.53136327 Romania_Maramures
2.57877878 Romania_Moldavia_North
2.70767428 Serb
2.82938156 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
2.99160492 Serb_Croatia
3.10790927 Serb_Serbia_West
3.14583852 Moldova_average
3.26000000 Serb_Serbia_Central
3.31439286 Serb_Bosnia
3.39038346 Moldova_Centre
3.45247737 Serb_Herzegovina
3.49478182 Serb_Serbia_South
4.12485151 Bosniak
4.47080530 Croat_South
4.52321788 Romania_Crisana
4.60109770 Romania_Moldavia_South
4.81323176 Romania_Transylvania
4.87749936 Montenegrin
4.93525075 Moldova_South
5.02240978 Romania_average
5.76252549 Romania_Banat
5.80509259 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.93230984 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
5.94124566 Csángó-Ceangău
6.05034710 Romania_Oltenia
Distance to: Vaslui_2
3.48426463 Romania_Maramures
3.93791823 Romania_Crisana
4.01453609 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.18389770 Serb_Serbia_West
4.23498524 Serb_Herzegovina
4.28343320 Serb
4.32164321 Romania_Moldavia_South
4.41747666 Romania_Transylvania
4.47348857 Serb_Serbia_Central
4.48278931 Serb_Croatia
4.49570907 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.53445697 Montenegrin
4.57757578 Serb_Serbia_South
5.10038234 Romania_average
5.15327081 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
5.32939021 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.57717671 Serb_Bosnia
5.70085958 Romania_Oltenia
5.76832731 Moldova_South
5.77558655 Romania_Banat
5.95178965 Croat_South
5.98954088 Moldova_average
6.02581115 Moldova_Centre
6.15936685 Bosniak_Sandzak
6.23917462 Csángó-Ceangău
Distance to: Vaslui_3
3.90640500 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.47232602 Csángó-Ceangău
4.59227612 Serb_Serbia_West
4.82619933 Romania_Moldavia_North
4.89814251 Romania_Crisana
5.13930929 Romania_Maramures
5.26045625 Serb
5.31262647 Serb_Croatia
5.35482026 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.68090662 Romania_Transylvania
5.73109065 Romania_Moldavia_South
5.82231054 Serb_Serbia_Central
5.86887553 Serb_Herzegovina
5.90798612 Serb_Bosnia
5.93570552 Croat_South
6.10441643 Croat_West
6.16938409 Montenegrin
6.17384807 Serb_Serbia_South
6.46666838 Moldova_Centre
6.51670929 Romania_average
6.59070558 Moldova_average
6.68603021 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
6.78678864 Bosniak
7.08664942 Romania_Oltenia
7.24603340 Romania_Banat
Distance to: Vaslui_1
2.12748678 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
3.04445397 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
3.11717821 Moldova_Chisinau_judet
3.41259432 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
3.65700697 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
3.88803292 Moldova_Chisinau_city
3.90792784 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
4.14993976 Moldova_Lapusna_judet
4.16016827 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
4.28923070 Moldova_Balti_city
4.50824800 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
4.82644797 Moldova_Balti_judet
5.21073891 Moldova_Soroca_judet
5.21523729 Moldova_Cahul_judet
5.30718381 Moldova_Orhei_judet
5.81549654 Romania_Moldavia_Csango
5.85624453 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
5.97229437 Moldova_Edinet_judet
6.34052048 Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi)
6.58357046 Romania_Moldavia_Galati
8.02881685 Moldova_Tighina_judet
9.10726084 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
10.10864482 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
10.93546067 Romania_Ukrainian
11.20736365 Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
Distance to: Vaslui_2
3.77833297 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
3.82776697 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
4.25110574 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
4.30868890 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
4.96069552 Moldova_Chisinau_judet
5.30456407 Moldova_Cahul_judet
5.70616333 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
5.94041244 Romania_Moldavia_Galati
5.98442144 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
6.06214483 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
6.29527601 Romania_Moldavia_Csango
6.43840819 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
6.52775612 Moldova_Balti_city
6.69920144 Moldova_Chisinau_city
6.74751065 Moldova_Lapusna_judet
7.23069153 Moldova_Orhei_judet
7.87251548 Moldova_Balti_judet
7.88293093 Moldova_Tighina_judet
7.88932824 Moldova_Soroca_judet
8.33073826 Moldova_Edinet_judet
8.45375065 Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi)
9.62508701 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
10.68722134 Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
11.21999554 Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
12.33495845 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
Distance to: Vaslui_3
4.24751692 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
4.39599818 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
4.69698840 Romania_Moldavia_Csango
5.36605069 Moldova_Chisinau_judet
5.54614280 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
5.77484199 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
5.98691907 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
6.20652076 Moldova_Orhei_judet
6.45770083 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
6.47465057 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
6.68858729 Moldova_Balti_city
6.90051447 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
7.02000000 Moldova_Cahul_judet
7.51155776 Moldova_Chisinau_city
7.64304259 Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi)
7.77083651 Romania_Moldavia_Galati
7.95878760 Moldova_Soroca_judet
8.07824238 Moldova_Edinet_judet
8.14548341 Moldova_Lapusna_judet
8.25309033 Moldova_Balti_judet
8.29741526 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
9.47505145 Moldova_Tighina_judet
11.77191148 Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
11.88325713 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
12.62211947 Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
Ion Basescul
06-08-2021, 09:15 AM
From Vrancea
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Kit
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
1
23.37
25.27
15.84
10.68
19.17
2.76
0
1.54
0.93
0
0.06
0.38
0
2
24.40
25.38
17.27
9.84
15.11
3.19
1.91
1.66
0.78
0
0.38
0
0.06
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Distance to: Vrancea_1
2.67007491 Romania_Dobruja
2.71166001 Romania_Wallachia
2.80369399 Bulgaria_Northwestern
2.87588247 Romania_Muntenia
2.91266201 Romania_average
2.96727147 Romania_Oltenia
2.96824864 Bulgaria_Southwestern
2.99427788 Romania_Banat
3.26853178 Bulgaria_average
3.30077264 Romania_Moldavia_South
3.43796451 Romania_Transylvania
3.44062494 Bulgaria_Northcentral
3.70932608 Moldova_South
3.72452682 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
3.93739762 Bosniak_Sandzak
3.96519861 Montenegrin
4.01272974 Bulgaria_Southcentral
4.40337371 Serb_Serbia_South
4.41682012 Pomak_Bulgaria
4.72072028 Bulgaria_Northeastern
4.82392993 Romania_Crisana
5.13269910 Serb_Herzegovina
5.42400221 Romania_Maramures
5.53825785 Macedonian_North
5.64017730 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
Distance to: Vrancea_2
2.96072626 Romania_Moldavia_South
3.00838827 Romania_Transylvania
3.24445681 Romania_Crisana
3.39952938 Romania_average
3.57770876 Montenegrin
3.62234731 Romania_Maramures
3.70017567 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
3.72213648 Romania_Oltenia
3.82176661 Romania_Banat
4.24606877 Moldova_South
4.32954963 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
4.33760302 Serb_Herzegovina
4.35895630 Serb_Serbia_South
4.49787728 Bosniak_Sandzak
4.65960299 Romania_Dobruja
4.68434627 Romania_Wallachia
4.91166978 Serb
4.91462104 Bulgaria_Southwestern
5.00404836 Serb_Serbia_West
5.15440588 Bulgaria_Northwestern
5.22372472 Romania_Muntenia
5.31398156 Serb_Serbia_Central
5.38784744 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.60147302 Serb_Croatia
5.95290685 Bulgaria_average
Distance to: Vrancea_1
2.54483791 Romania_Moldavia_Galati
3.47804543 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
3.57243614 Moldova_Tighina_judet
3.88408290 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
3.91761407 Moldova_Cahul_judet
5.09494848 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
5.25607268 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
5.80980206 Moldova_Lapusna_judet
6.11642052 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
6.18777828 Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
6.65501315 Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
6.98844761 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
8.29778284 Moldova_Chisinau_judet
8.34299706 Moldova_Chisinau_city
8.82352537 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
8.99518204 Moldova_Balti_city
9.21987527 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
9.91059030 Moldova_Orhei_judet
10.16600216 Moldova_Balti_judet
10.42663896 Moldova_Soroca_judet
10.60975023 Romania_Moldavia_Csango
11.04460049 Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi)
11.53147432 Moldova_Edinet_judet
14.14957243 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
15.73298128 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
Distance to: Vrancea_2
3.30882154 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
3.32906894 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
3.44798492 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
3.56318678 Moldova_Cahul_judet
3.81697524 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
4.62036795 Romania_Moldavia_Galati
4.71921604 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
5.79649894 Moldova_Chisinau_judet
5.92141030 Moldova_Tighina_judet
6.28552305 Moldova_Lapusna_judet
6.49199507 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
7.28039834 Moldova_Chisinau_city
7.57202087 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
7.59509052 Romania_Moldavia_Csango
7.65544904 Moldova_Balti_city
7.66948499 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
8.26937724 Moldova_Orhei_judet
8.46374622 Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
8.70967278 Moldova_Balti_judet
8.98241616 Moldova_Soroca_judet
9.03472191 Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
9.79133801 Moldova_Edinet_judet
9.79484558 Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi)
11.35850342 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
13.85246909 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
Coastal Elite
06-14-2021, 10:29 PM
Gedmatch relative from Dolj County
Admix Results (sorted):
matc Percent
1 North_Atlantic 26.01
2 Baltic 22.82
3 West_Med 17.1
4 East_Med 15.91
5 West_Asian 12.11
6 Red_Sea 2.49
7 South_Asian 1.75
8 Amerindian 1.15
9 Siberian 0.65
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 3.14
2 Serbian 5.25
3 Bulgarian 5.64
4 Moldavian 11.18
5 Greek_Thessaly 12.12
6 Hungarian 12.28
7 Croatian 13.8
8 Austrian 14.22
9 North_Italian 14.54
10 Tuscan 15.37
11 East_German 16.3
12 Italian_Abruzzo 17
13 West_German 17.02
14 French 17.2
15 South_Dutch 18.56
16 Central_Greek 18.64
17 Portuguese 18.83
18 West_Sicilian 18.88
19 Spanish_Galicia 19.25
20 Spanish_Extremadura 19.87
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89% Romanian + 11% French @ 2.32
2 92.9% Romanian + 7.1% Irish @ 2.4
3 92.8% Romanian + 7.2% Southwest_English @ 2.4
4 90.1% Romanian + 9.9% South_Dutch @ 2.4
5 93.1% Romanian + 6.9% West_Scottish @ 2.41
6 89.4% Romanian + 10.6% West_German @ 2.42
7 94.7% Romanian + 5.3% French_Basque @ 2.43
8 93.1% Romanian + 6.9% Orcadian @ 2.48
9 92.7% Romanian + 7.3% Southeast_English @ 2.5
10 91.2% Romanian + 8.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.54
11 92.5% Romanian + 7.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.55
12 55.4% Croatian + 44.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.55
13 92.4% Romanian + 7.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.55
14 91.5% Romanian + 8.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.56
15 91.6% Romanian + 8.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.56
16 93.3% Romanian + 6.7% North_Dutch @ 2.56
17 84.2% Bulgarian + 15.8% Irish @ 2.56
18 93.2% Romanian + 6.8% Danish @ 2.57
19 92.6% Romanian + 7.4% North_German @ 2.57
20 93.3% Romanian + 6.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.58
Ion Basescul
06-15-2021, 10:31 AM
Gedmatch relative from Dolj County
Admix Results (sorted):
matc Percent
1 North_Atlantic 26.01
2 Baltic 22.82
3 West_Med 17.1
4 East_Med 15.91
5 West_Asian 12.11
6 Red_Sea 2.49
7 South_Asian 1.75
8 Amerindian 1.15
9 Siberian 0.65
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 3.14
2 Serbian 5.25
3 Bulgarian 5.64
4 Moldavian 11.18
5 Greek_Thessaly 12.12
6 Hungarian 12.28
7 Croatian 13.8
8 Austrian 14.22
9 North_Italian 14.54
10 Tuscan 15.37
11 East_German 16.3
12 Italian_Abruzzo 17
13 West_German 17.02
14 French 17.2
15 South_Dutch 18.56
16 Central_Greek 18.64
17 Portuguese 18.83
18 West_Sicilian 18.88
19 Spanish_Galicia 19.25
20 Spanish_Extremadura 19.87
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89% Romanian + 11% French @ 2.32
2 92.9% Romanian + 7.1% Irish @ 2.4
3 92.8% Romanian + 7.2% Southwest_English @ 2.4
4 90.1% Romanian + 9.9% South_Dutch @ 2.4
5 93.1% Romanian + 6.9% West_Scottish @ 2.41
6 89.4% Romanian + 10.6% West_German @ 2.42
7 94.7% Romanian + 5.3% French_Basque @ 2.43
8 93.1% Romanian + 6.9% Orcadian @ 2.48
9 92.7% Romanian + 7.3% Southeast_English @ 2.5
10 91.2% Romanian + 8.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.54
11 92.5% Romanian + 7.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.55
12 55.4% Croatian + 44.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.55
13 92.4% Romanian + 7.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.55
14 91.5% Romanian + 8.5% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.56
15 91.6% Romanian + 8.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.56
16 93.3% Romanian + 6.7% North_Dutch @ 2.56
17 84.2% Bulgarian + 15.8% Irish @ 2.56
18 93.2% Romanian + 6.8% Danish @ 2.57
19 92.6% Romanian + 7.4% North_German @ 2.57
20 93.3% Romanian + 6.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.58
Dolj is for the Wallachian thread (it's on the border with Bulgaria), but thanks. Did you get to your plan of testing South Transylvanians?
Ion Basescul
06-22-2021, 10:44 AM
From Gagauzia (Gagauz from Cazaclia)
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
17.40
25.74
15.40
11.11
23.02
2.33
1.84
1.21
0.15
1.31
0
0.50
0
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Compared to other Gagauz people
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
N_Atlantic+Baltic
Med+MENA
Indian
Siber./EAsian
17.40
25.74
15.40
11.11
23.02
2.33
1.84
1.21
0.15
1.31
0
0.50
0
43.14
52.36
1.84
2.67
20.35
22.57
20.05
9.76
21.59
1.78
0.52
0.44
0.24
0.71
1.17
0
0.83
42.92
54.01
0.52
1.39
20.86
22.55
19.63
14.32
15.61
1.46
4.07
0
0
0.59
0.90
0
0
43.41
51.02
4.07
0.59
20.32
21.66
19.13
10.98
20.73
4.52
1.73
0.32
0
0.36
0.25
0
0
41.98
55.36
1.73
0.68
21.09
22.41
17.32
15.55
22.11
0.31
0
0
0.39
0.82
0
0
0
43.50
55.29
0
1.21
15.86
26.45
18.63
15.05
16.84
2.60
1.10
1.32
0
0
0.66
1.07
0.42
42.31
54.61
1.10
1.32
14.45
25.74
20.64
15.25
19.48
0.73
0.33
0.79
1.82
0.12
0.66
0
0
40.19
56.10
0.33
2.73
20.46
22.27
16.99
12.40
22.03
1.37
0.01
2.46
0.53
0.04
0
1.44
0
42.73
54.23
0.01
3.03
21.35
20.55
16.78
16.18
19.30
2.24
0
0
2.42
0
0.38
0.79
0
41.90
55.29
0
2.42
18.87
23.13
16.26
12.63
22.35
3.12
0
0.27
3.12
0
0
0
0.26
42.00
54.62
0
3.39
22.03
18.65
16.39
14.57
23.73
2.27
0
0.03
2.08
0
0
0.25
0
40.68
57.21
0
2.11
18.17
26.79
16.43
11.27
22.17
3.03
0.07
0.73
0.69
0.04
0.61
0
0
44.96
52.90
0.07
1.46
19.69
21.09
17.45
14.44
20.45
3.00
2.13
0.04
0.02
0.32
1.37
0
0
40.78
55.34
2.13
0.38
20.15
22.14
19.30
12.69
20.13
3.21
0
0.04
1.73
0
0.6
0
0
42.29
55.33
0
1.77
16.98
23.90
17.79
12.72
23.68
2.95
1.08
0
0.84
0
0.05
0
0
40.88
57.14
1.08
0.84
18.72
24.21
18.09
11.79
21.10
3.52
0.01
0.67
0.66
0.74
0.32
0.17
0
42.93
54.67
0.01
2.07
17.21
23.46
19.19
13.30
21.96
1.51
0.66
0
2.08
0.12
0
0.52
0
40.67
56.48
0.66
2.2
23.21
21.63
19.39
11.90
19.92
0.76
0.84
0.24
0.66
0.01
1.45
0
0
44.84
51.97
0.84
0.91
18.60
21.88
20.41
11.79
20.35
2.13
1.47
0.01
1.11
1.50
0.45
0.28
0.04
40.48
55.00
1.47
2.62
21.78
23.18
18.37
12.47
20.72
1.53
0.04
0.93
0.12
0.36
0.49
0
0
44.96
53.09
0.04
1.41
14.18
27.13
15.35
16.22
19.73
5.34
0.03
0
1.11
0
0.91
0
0
41.31
56.64
0.03
1.11
22.10
20.26
16.03
12.28
22.45
4.99
0.61
0
0
0
1.27
0
0
42.36
55.75
0.61
0
20.89
21.76
17.75
11.73
23.78
2.92
0.15
0.13
0.66
0
0
0.22
0
42.65
56.40
0.15
0.79
17.73
23.68
19.57
11.39
23.31
1.35
0.06
0.20
0.66
1.92
0.15
0
0
41.41
55.62
0.06
2.78
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Distance to: Gagauz
3.68989160 Pomak_Greece
4.98782518 Pomak_Bulgaria
5.57450446 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
5.97041037 Bulgaria_Northcentral
6.11765478 Bulgaria_Southcentral
6.64966165 Bulgaria_average
6.70658631 Greek_Northern-Thrace
6.82920200 Romania_Muntenia
6.85543580 Bulgaria_Northwestern
7.12891296 Bulgaria_Southeastern
7.22175879 Romania_Dobruja
7.32585831 Romania_Wallachia
7.78574980 Bulgaria_Northeastern
7.82952106 Bulgaria_Southwestern
7.88035532 Macedonian_North
7.89333896 Moldova_South
7.92290982 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
8.14545272 Romania_Banat
8.38602409 Turk_Deliorman
8.43958530 Macedonian_South
8.44671534 Macedonian
8.45343126 Turk_Makedonya
8.63454110 Romania_average
8.65688166 Romania_Oltenia
9.40457336 Romania_Moldavia_South
Distance to: Gagauz
5.34141367 Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
6.57934647 Moldova_Tighina_judet
8.66548902 Moldova_Lapusna_judet
8.78116735 Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
8.99727737 Moldova_Cahul_judet
11.26551819 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
11.98441071 Moldova_Chisinau_city
13.06409201 Moldova_Chisinau_judet
13.36207319 Moldova_Balti_city
13.76960784 Moldova_Balti_judet
14.32579841 Moldova_Soroca_judet
14.52279243 Moldova_Orhei_judet
15.83463924 Moldova_Edinet_judet
19.32867559 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
19.35649245 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
21.77915976 Moldova_Jewish
23.84398876 Moldova_Ukrainian
28.83220075 Moldova_Roma
Ion Basescul
06-24-2021, 09:37 AM
From Gagauzia (urban mix from Ceadar Lunga with Moldovan/Romanian, Russian, Ukrainian and Gagauz/Bulgarian roots)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Gagauzia_map.svg/250px-Gagauzia_map.svg.png
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
23.67
35.14
13.28
11.16
13.03
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0.71
0.07
1.60
1.34
0
0
0
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Distance to: Gagauzia_mixed
3.85943001 Moldova_North
4.43103825 Bosniak_Bosnia
5.12003906 Croat_East
5.60605922 Ukrainian_Carpathian
5.66481244 Bosniak
6.23737926 Croat
6.24128192 Croat_South
6.43590708 Serb_Bosnia
6.57519581 Moldova_Centre
6.64540443 Moldova_average
7.22409164 Hungarian_Alföld
7.64317997 Croat_North
7.64888881 Croat_West
7.72249960 Romania_Moldavia_North
8.01992519 Serb_Croatia
8.13652260 Hungarian_North
8.19622474 Csángó-Ceangău
8.32926767 Ukrainian_Galicia
8.37760109 Moldova_Ukrainian
8.38133641 Serb_Serbia_West
8.42356219 Hungarian
8.44164676 Serb
8.88447522 Serb_Serbia_Central
9.05268468 Slovenian
9.26224595 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
Distance to: Gagauzia_mixed
4.07963234 Moldova_Edinet_judet
4.63722978 Moldova_Balti_judet
4.76753605 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
4.95092921 Moldova_Soroca_judet
6.19572433 Moldova_Balti_city
6.36938773 Moldova_Orhei_judet
6.41107635 Moldova_Chisinau_city
6.79740392 Moldova_Chisinau_judet
7.28414031 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
7.63339374 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
8.76445092 Moldova_Ukrainian
9.35824236 Moldova_Lapusna_judet
12.22535889 Moldova_Cahul_judet
15.06042496 Moldova_Tighina_judet
17.95682322 Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
19.43426098 Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
38.16699097 Moldova_Jewish
39.00557652 Moldova_Roma
Ion Basescul
06-29-2021, 11:04 AM
From Soroca county (3/4 from village 2km from Donduseni district and 1/4 Ukrainian from Odessa) (Soroca county = Soroca, Drochia, Floresti, Soldanesti)
https://i.ibb.co/LxjfVGy/image.png
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
25.70
33.59
11.56
9.74
13.87
0.83
1.81
0.51
2.16
0.23
0
0
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Distance to: Soroca_ind
4.08120080 Bosniak_Bosnia
4.24828201 Croat_East
4.48103783 Moldova_North
4.68433560 Bosniak
5.01528663 Moldova_Centre
5.41683487 Moldova_average
5.42447232 Croat_South
5.47795582 Croat
5.72563534 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.96369013 Croat_West
5.97313988 Serb_Bosnia
6.49698392 Hungarian_Alföld
6.79304056 Csángó-Ceangău
6.80953009 Serb_Croatia
7.00538364 Ukrainian_Carpathian
7.04765919 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.16528436 Hungarian
7.35920512 Croat_North
7.48865141 Serb
7.49671261 Hungarian_North
7.55320462 Serb_Serbia_West
7.58077832 Serb_Serbia_Central
7.97447804 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
8.04441421 Romania_Maramures
8.14568597 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
Distance to: Soroca_ind
4.48103783 Moldova_North
5.01528663 Moldova_Centre
5.41683487 Moldova_average
7.00538364 Ukrainian_Carpathian
7.50786921 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
9.63542941 Moldova_Ukrainian
9.77692181 Ukrainian_Galicia
10.46366571 Moldova_South
14.76597101 Ukrainian
16.25360268 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
16.55326252 Ukrainian_Belgorod
17.06526882 Moldova_Bulgarian
18.82898563 Russian_Smolensk
25.96178791 Russian_Pinega
26.97239329 Crimean_Tatar
27.56576137 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
35.55426697 Moldova_Jewish
36.49300481 Moldova_Roma
Distance to: Soroca_ind
3.67838280 Moldova_Balti_city
3.67983695 Moldova_Orhei_judet
3.96754332 Moldova_Soroca_judet
4.35055169 Moldova_Edinet_judet
5.15757695 Moldova_Chisinau_city
5.30260313 Moldova_Balti_judet
5.33267288 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
5.78281938 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
5.90583610 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
6.00268273 Moldova_Chisinau_judet
7.72208521 Moldova_Lapusna_judet
10.03403707 Moldova_Ukrainian
11.30222544 Moldova_Cahul_judet
13.51013323 Moldova_Tighina_judet
16.22621952 Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
17.12613792 Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
35.55426697 Moldova_Jewish
36.31417767 Moldova_Roma
Target: Soroca
Distance: 2.9494% / 2.94939420 | R2P
81.4 Moldova_Balti_city
18.6 Moldova_Ukrainian
Ion Basescul
07-03-2021, 01:50 AM
I'll just post this here instead of opening a new thread.
I don't have any calculator results, so these are the estimates from FTDNA
Romanian from Cernauti/Chernivtsi, Ukraine (raionul Adancata) (1/2 Opriseni, 1/2 Tereblecea)
Results are on the left, ignore mine on the right.
https://i.ibb.co/N7JVYzz/image.png
https://i.ibb.co/Qjvj973/image.png
Coastal Elite
07-03-2021, 03:05 AM
Did you get to your plan of testing South Transylvanians?
I have no plan but a distant relative with South Transylvanian ancestry contacted me through one of the commercial testing sites and mentioned she was sending tests to some villages in region. Maybe 30 kits or so. Perhaps that is what you are referring to. This was maybe 6 months back. I haven't checked 23andMe or AncestryDNA matches for a bit so maybe more matches from the region are showing up. I'll check this weekend.
Ion Basescul
07-03-2021, 08:42 AM
I have no plan but a distant relative with South Transylvanian ancestry contacted me through one of the commercial testing sites and mentioned she was sending tests to some villages in region. Maybe 30 kits or so. Perhaps that is what you are referring to. This was maybe 6 months back. I haven't checked 23andMe or AncestryDNA matches for a bit so maybe more matches from the region are showing up. I'll check this weekend.
Oh yes, I recall that now
Ion Basescul
07-05-2021, 11:32 PM
From Soroca county (3/4 from village 2km from Donduseni district and 1/4 Ukrainian from Odessa) (Soroca county = Soroca, Drochia, Floresti, Soldanesti)
https://i.ibb.co/LxjfVGy/image.png
The resuts of the full Moldovan/Romanian parent from that village at the crossroads of Soroca and Donduseni districts
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
22.99
34.77
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8.92
15.17
1.26
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1.50
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0.99
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Distance to: Soroca_ind
3.47626236 Moldova_North
3.92997455 Bosniak
4.24763464 Moldova_Centre
4.25424494 Moldova_average
4.40882070 Bosniak_Bosnia
4.99455704 Croat_East
5.04217215 Serb_Bosnia
5.38302889 Croat_South
5.70752135 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.11442557 Serb_Croatia
6.56269000 Croat
6.56762514 Serb_Serbia_Central
6.62561695 Serb
7.07903242 Croat_West
7.13206842 Serb_Serbia_West
7.34795890 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
7.38125328 Romania_Maramures
7.45911523 Serb_Serbia_South
7.62471639 Ukrainian_Carpathian
7.78387436 Serb_Herzegovina
8.28907112 Hungarian_Alföld
8.49091868 Csángó-Ceangău
8.81362581 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
9.04374922 Croat_North
9.19126759 Moldova_South
Distance to: Soroca_ind
3.47626236 Moldova_North
4.24763464 Moldova_Centre
4.25424494 Moldova_average
7.34766630 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
7.62471639 Ukrainian_Carpathian
9.19126759 Moldova_South
10.09541480 Moldova_Ukrainian
10.77635838 Ukrainian_Galicia
15.14346063 Ukrainian
15.17874501 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
16.99350758 Moldova_Bulgarian
17.20843979 Ukrainian_Belgorod
19.54141755 Russian_Smolensk
26.64515681 Russian_Pinega
27.86365195 Crimean_Tatar
28.16771379 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
34.54134913 Moldova_Jewish
37.44255734 Moldova_Roma
Distance to: Soroca_ind
3.01781378 Moldova_Soroca_judet
3.26944949 Moldova_Balti_judet
3.64860247 Moldova_Chisinau_city
3.81077420 Moldova_Balti_city
3.92214227 Moldova_Edinet_judet
4.50627340 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
4.87174507 Moldova_Orhei_judet
5.85128191 Moldova_Chisinau_judet
6.05351964 Moldova_Lapusna_judet
6.34014195 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic
8.51811599 Moldova_Transnistria_UTA
10.22934993 Moldova_Cahul_judet
10.48922304 Moldova_Ukrainian
12.31134436 Moldova_Tighina_judet
14.95601217 Moldova_Gagauzia_UTA
16.79971726 Moldova_Taraclia_Bulgarian
34.54134913 Moldova_Jewish
37.24593938 Moldova_Roma
Ion Basescul
07-26-2021, 10:03 PM
1/2 Moldovan/Romanian from Beletsky Uezd (Northern Moldova, but born in Russia to deported parents), 1/2 Russian from Odintsovo (Moscow)
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Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
23.86
41.65
8.42
8.86
8.21
0
1.76
0
4.67
0.87
0.90
0
0.81
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Distance to: A
5.94728509 Moldova_Ukrainian
7.14965034 Russian_Southwest
7.17912251 Ukrainian
7.41522083 Ukrainian_Galicia
7.87276953 Ukrainian_Carpathian
8.25753595 Mordovian
8.87117241 South_Polish
8.89101794 Russian_average
9.10572347 Mazovia
9.30079029 Polish_Kielce
9.31186877 Lower_Silesia
10.00074997 Russian_Kostroma
10.28210095 Greater_Poland
10.45527618 Russian_Kargopol
10.59529141 Russian_Smolensk
10.73890590 Slovak
10.76948931 Polish
10.77056637 Bosniak_Bosnia
10.78064469 Silesian
10.90031651 Belarusian_Minsk
11.13180129 Moldova_North
11.16758255 Podlaskie
11.25665137 Croat_East
11.42775569 Hungarian_North
11.46768067 Sorb_Lusatia
Target: A
Distance: 3.0712% / 3.07119182 | R2P
59.6 Russian_Kostroma
40.4 Moldova_Centre
-Moldova_Centre
Target: A
Distance: 3.2287% / 3.22866384 | R2P
53.0 Russian_Kostroma
47.0 Moldova_North
1/2 Moldovan/Romanian from Beletsky Uezd (Northern Moldova, but born in Russia to deported parents), 1/2 Russian from Odintsovo (Moscow)
I wonder if I have this kit.
Ion Basescul
07-27-2021, 09:18 AM
I wonder if I have this kit.
Maybe
Ion Basescul
10-15-2021, 02:38 PM
New samples for the part in Romania (those with Ukrainian surnames are in red)
Suceava county
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Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
23.70
37.04
11.25
11.66
10.47
1.75
0.27
1.05
0
2.38
0.27
0.15
0
30.11
33.00
12.85
5.32
14.43
1.52
0
0
0.84
0.46
0.96
0.15
0.37
30.14
32.94
10.90
7.73
11.85
0.94
3.25
1.03
0.48
0.73
0
0
0
24.43
35.35
14.16
8.69
13.07
0.60
0
0
3.40
0.15
0.15
0
0
29.33
30.15
16.62
6.80
12.62
0
1.15
0
1.42
0.27
0.52
1.13
0
25.79
29.41
16.38
9.80
14.14
0
0
0.36
2.57
0.06
0.41
0.83
0.25
27.38
31.29
17.58
7.07
8.91
2.70
0.39
1.03
2.70
0
0.35
0.49
0.12
24.33
28.74
14.79
10.77
14.11
2.68
1.09
1.85
1.23
0.20
0.21
0
0
27.07
31.82
13.64
7.66
13.75
2.97
0.22
0.52
1.82
0.29
0.24
0
0
24.74
34.60
13.22
9.86
11.44
1.15
0.41
0
1.79
0.90
1.88
0
0
27.07
37.55
12.03
7.12
10.74
0.15
0.22
0.29
2.62
0.51
0.86
0.84
0
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Botosani county
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Baltic
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West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
27.97
36.62
16.62
5.93
9.44
0.09
2.00
0
1.15
0
0
0
0.13
22.05
34.89
12.67
6.66
17.94
0.62
0.71
0
3.83
0
0
0
0.60
26.20
38.64
14.20
6.70
10.24
0
0.81
0
1.38
0.12
1.13
0.16
0.41
23.90
32.36
15.52
10.97
11.03
1.62
2.08
0
1.20
0.54
0.66
0.13
0
27.07
28.56
17.00
10.51
13.91
0
0
1.75
0.71
0.08
0.24
0
0.16
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Iasi county
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
23.08
34.86
12.11
12.49
10.22
2.84
0.37
0
1.16
0.58
1.66
0.62
0
25.90
28.95
17.03
10.53
13.93
1.24
0.27
0
1.09
0
1.01
0
0
26.61
31.43
14.11
8.29
13.63
2.43
1.39
1.07
0
0.24
0.17
0.18
0.46
23.94
30.00
16.34
7.10
16.58
1.39
2.47
0.57
1.11
0.51
0
0
0
23.97
28.45
16.59
11.70
14.09
0.78
3.01
0.14
1.10
0
0.18
0
0
22.23
28.36
19.07
12.48
14.91
0.52
0.79
0.31
0
0.21
0.86
0.25
0
23.55
28.97
20.09
9.49
13.26
0.95
2.60
0
0.48
0
0.62
0
0
22.95
29.59
13.90
11.76
14.49
3.56
0.68
0
1.70
0.98
0
0
0.40
26.41
28.85
16.32
10.92
12.93
1.75
0
0
2.05
0
0.43
0
0.34
23.25
31.46
16.28
9.17
14.85
2.29
0
0.28
1.30
1.02
0.11
0
0
20.30
31.51
14.07
11.55
16.91
2.11
0.95
0.43
0.56
1.14
0.40
0.05
0
23.38
32.59
13.73
10.83
13.10
0.67
2.39
0.61
2.35
0.35
0
0
0
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Neamt county
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
26.23
28.68
14.28
14.01
10.77
3.13
0
1.36
0
0
0.94
0.60
0
21.28
31.16
19.21
9.98
11.98
2.27
2.23
0
1.89
0
0
0
0
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Bacau county
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
21.77
27.54
14.32
9.40
20.62
2.31
0
1.54
0.84
1.24
0.41
0
0
25.96
24.63
15.64
10.23
18.55
1.44
0
0.93
0.56
0.11
1.94
0
0
24.52
26.36
15.71
12.46
16.26
1.69
0.65
0.32
1.18
0.22
0.64
0
0
23.51
28.31
20.10
8.50
11.75
3.78
0
1.00
0.97
1.22
0.09
0
0.75
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Csango/Roman-Catholic from Bacau
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
28.88
29.03
15.22
8.98
11.02
2.13
0.52
1.00
1.08
0
1.76
0
0.37
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Vaslui county
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
25.57
27.09
18.5
7.23
16.33
2.66
0
0
1.93
0.68
0
0
0
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Vrancea county
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
26.54
22.00
17.71
8.70
20.00
1.95
0.13
0
1.85
0.74
0.23
0
0.16
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Csango/Roman-Catholic from Vrancea
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
25.93
31.23
17.66
6.65
10.90
3.11
0.87
0.54
2.88
0
0.23
0
0
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Galati county
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
23.70
28.43
17.89
7.38
16.63
1.63
0
0.70
1.63
1.15
0.58
0
0.28
20.09
27.74
19.89
13.07
14.63
1.20
0
1.29
2.10
0
0
0
0
21.73
23.50
16.29
11.20
20.10
0.60
2.12
1.32
1.40
1.13
0
0
0.60
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Ion Basescul
10-15-2021, 03:03 PM
Updated averages
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Name
Number of Samples
N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
NE+NW Euro
Med Euro
Caucasus
SW Asia
Siberia
India
Romania_Moldavia_Botosani
30
25.16
32.26
14.76
8.68
14.15
1.22
0.64
0.47
1.51
0.46
0.42
0.07
0.19
57.42
28.90
8.68
1.29
2.44
0.64
Romania_Moldavia_Suceava
34
26.26
32.00
14.15
8.41
13.27
1.52
0.89
0.53
1.64
0.52
0.47
0.27
0.09
58.26
27.42
8.41
1.79
2.68
0.89
Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
45
23.95
30.08
15.76
9.28
15.03
1.96
1.00
0.57
1.12
0.55
0.45
0.15
0.10
54.03
30.79
9.28
2.11
2.24
1.00
Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
18
24.23
27.91
16.48
10.54
14.44
2.12
0.67
0.77
1.29
0.61
0.59
0.17
0.18
52.13
30.92
10.54
2.29
2.67
0.67
Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
19
25.50
28.13
15.78
9.06
15.71
2.14
0.56
0.49
1.58
0.47
0.24
0.13
0.19
53.63
31.50
9.06
2.27
2.54
0.56
Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
20
23.64
27.10
16.95
10.14
16.61
2.06
0.52
0.67
0.78
0.74
0.55
0.06
0.17
50.74
33.56
10.14
2.12
2.19
0.52
Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea
13
23.20
24.90
17.40
10.87
17.19
2.28
1.01
0.70
1.33
0.66
0.28
0.11
0.07
48.10
34.59
10.87
2.39
2.70
1.01
Romania_Moldavia_Galati
19
23.54
25.33
17.32
9.51
18.82
1.95
0.67
0.59
1.02
0.59
0.40
0.12
0.13
48.87
36.14
9.51
2.08
2.20
0.67
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Ion Basescul
10-15-2021, 03:49 PM
Those 30ish samples from Balti city (Triska et al. 2017 academic samples) are not from there by the way. More likely by Balti the researchers meant Balti as in region.
And my reasoning for that comes from the fact that after uploading them to GEDmatch in order to take a closer look, I found that 22 of them are close matches to each other; other 3 are matching each other closely but not those, and 6 are unrelated to these and each other. Those last ones could be from the city.
Some of those from the 22 and 3 related are even at grandparent - nephew relationship, but most of them are 70cM+ to 800cM matches.
This is impossible in a big city, unless they literally grabbed a panel of relatives. But in a small village of up to about 4k people, it is normal to have relationships of 70-100cM for non-related people. This is the case with samples from Caplani, Costesti, Cazaclia and 3 of my parents' personal matches on MyHeritage that come from the same villages as them.
Obviously I can't place them in a specific village, but they are probably from somewhere at the crossroads of Singerei, Falesti, Glodeni, so stranding the Western side of Balti, rather than Eastern. That's because some of them match to up to 60cM some of my confirmed samples from villages in that area.
Here are the relationships:
These are likely from the same and/or neighbouring villages
22
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
24.58
31.08
13.08
6.06
16.71
3.33
1.41
0
2.32
1.43
0
0
0
22.08
35.20
17.67
12.03
7.34
1.30
1.25
1.55
0
0.79
0.09
0.51
0.19
26.86
31.42
17.53
9.84
10.26
0
0
0.55
1.85
1.00
0.14
0.11
0.45
27.89
28.60
15.36
10.43
13.25
0.43
0
0.20
3.51
0
0.33
0
0
26.74
30.55
12.91
10.08
14.54
0.86
1.10
0.20
2.93
0
0.09
0
0
24.50
30.63
15.90
8.79
15.10
0
0.38
0.09
1.22
0.93
1.08
0
1.38
22.35
36.34
13.69
10.10
11.91
0.00
0.83
0
1.36
1.58
0.74
0
1.11
25.28
27.62
16.32
11.66
12.96
2.76
1.24
0
1.23
0
0.92
0
0
27.75
32.43
15.47
6.56
13.70
1.25
0.06
0
2.26
0.36
0.17
0
0
23.81
34.31
12.54
6.21
16.13
1.21
2.19
0.86
2.42
0
0.30
0
0
24.60
27.89
17.41
10.24
14.03
0
2.99
0
2.54
0
0.30
0
0
18.18
36.07
14.32
12.57
10.84
2.87
0.06
1.99
1.21
0
0.70
0.65
0.55
23.45
32.66
13.73
7.87
16.41
0
1.20
0
3.13
0
0.54
1.01
0
23.13
36.19
11.05
9.44
16.58
0
1.15
0
1.84
0.16
0
0
0.45
27.76
31.44
13.32
6.93
15.07
2.36
1.14
0.96
0
0.67
0
0.35
0
23.69
34.30
11.83
8.97
14.59
3.57
1.20
0
1.51
0.05
0
0
0.30
27.48
29.22
13.71
8.91
13.15
3.50
2.84
0.36
0.32
0
0.51
0
0
23.97
26.63
13.49
7.19
17.21
1.94
4.59
0.98
1.67
0.20
0.53
1.34
0.27
21.44
33.10
14.08
8.88
17.70
0.54
0.94
0
2.95
0
0.38
0
0
24.52
36.71
16.02
7.75
10.27
0.89
1.08
0.72
2.03
0
0
0
0
26.08
36.66
13.59
6.72
11.89
1.82
0
0
1.88
1.32
0
0
0
31.58
28.15
14.20
2.22
17.21
1.23
2.15
0
1.86
0
1.40
0
0
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Given whom they match at "villager" level of closeness from my confirmed matches, they are likely from either a single or 1-3 neighbouring villages from somewhere around here. Considering that those in red look generously mixed with Ukrainians and that there is also some light South Asian admix, it should be an area within the below that fits these criteria.
https://i.ibb.co/C9KSjVc/image.png
3 (first two are grandparent and nephew relationships, last is 350cM relationship to one and 80cM to other, so a 2nd degree cousin)
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
23.93
32.60
12.69
7.51
13.91
1.02
3.64
0
2.17
0.84
0.86
0.45
0.38
23.08
32.18
13.08
7.11
18.18
0.69
1.42
0
0.86
2.64
0
0
0.76
25.19
33.48
11.17
9.90
12.99
1.06
2.56
0
3.06
0
0.60
0
0
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None of these match any of the 22 above at meaningful distances, which signifies that they come from another area in the Balti region. These however are definitely not from the Falesti-Glodeni region given the matches that I have.
6 (these do not match neither of the 25 above and neither each other; these are likely genuine city folk from Balti)
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
21.34
31.99
15.85
9.04
16.47
2.18
0
0.86
1.12
0.00
0
0.96
0.18
25.91
29.65
15.36
10.26
15.63
0
1.19
1.61
0
0.37
0
0
0
24.56
31.94
17.63
6.74
13.24
0.97
2.04
0.68
0.94
0
0.60
0
0.66
23.69
25.49
14.35
13.24
16.25
4.22
0.26
1.33
0.74
0
0.43
0
0
27.07
28.68
13.68
9.21
14.50
2.21
0.92
0
1.47
1.46
0.34
0
0.46
23.51
36.03
14.26
4.20
16.73
0.14
1.17
0
3.21
0
0.75
0
0
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I think I will research this further and likelier remove those that look like villagers from the same place from the city average. Those 22 will go into Balti county, but for the other 3 I will have to look into closer to understand where they could come from in that region.
andre
10-15-2021, 06:12 PM
Those 30ish samples from Balti city (Triska et al. 2017 academic samples) are not from there by the way. More likely by Balti the researchers meant Balti as in region.
And my reasoning for that comes from the fact that after uploading them to GEDmatch in order to take a closer look, I found that 22 of them are close matches to each other; other 3 are matching each other closely but not those, and 6 are unrelated to these and each other. Those last ones could be from the city.
Some of those from the 22 and 3 related are even at grandparent - nephew relationship, but most of them are 70cM+ to 800cM matches.
This is impossible in a big city, unless they literally grabbed a panel of relatives. But in a small village of up to about 4k people, it is normal to have relationships of 70-100cM for non-related people. This is the case with samples from Caplani, Costesti, Cazaclia and 3 of my parents' personal matches on MyHeritage that come from the same villages as them.
Obviously I can't place them in a specific village, but they are probably from somewhere at the crossroads of Singerei, Falesti, Glodeni, so stranding the Western side of Balti, rather than Eastern. That's because some of them match to up to 60cM some of my confirmed samples from villages in that area.
Here are the relationships:
These are likely from the same and/or neighbouring villages
22
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
24.58
31.08
13.08
6.06
16.71
3.33
1.41
0
2.32
1.43
0
0
0
22.08
35.20
17.67
12.03
7.34
1.30
1.25
1.55
0
0.79
0.09
0.51
0.19
26.86
31.42
17.53
9.84
10.26
0
0
0.55
1.85
1.00
0.14
0.11
0.45
27.89
28.60
15.36
10.43
13.25
0.43
0
0.20
3.51
0
0.33
0
0
26.74
30.55
12.91
10.08
14.54
0.86
1.10
0.20
2.93
0
0.09
0
0
24.50
30.63
15.90
8.79
15.10
0
0.38
0.09
1.22
0.93
1.08
0
1.38
22.35
36.34
13.69
10.10
11.91
0.00
0.83
0
1.36
1.58
0.74
0
1.11
25.28
27.62
16.32
11.66
12.96
2.76
1.24
0
1.23
0
0.92
0
0
27.75
32.43
15.47
6.56
13.70
1.25
0.06
0
2.26
0.36
0.17
0
0
23.81
34.31
12.54
6.21
16.13
1.21
2.19
0.86
2.42
0
0.30
0
0
24.60
27.89
17.41
10.24
14.03
0
2.99
0
2.54
0
0.30
0
0
18.18
36.07
14.32
12.57
10.84
2.87
0.06
1.99
1.21
0
0.70
0.65
0.55
23.45
32.66
13.73
7.87
16.41
0
1.20
0
3.13
0
0.54
1.01
0
23.13
36.19
11.05
9.44
16.58
0
1.15
0
1.84
0.16
0
0
0.45
27.76
31.44
13.32
6.93
15.07
2.36
1.14
0.96
0
0.67
0
0.35
0
23.69
34.30
11.83
8.97
14.59
3.57
1.20
0
1.51
0.05
0
0
0.30
27.48
29.22
13.71
8.91
13.15
3.50
2.84
0.36
0.32
0
0.51
0
0
23.97
26.63
13.49
7.19
17.21
1.94
4.59
0.98
1.67
0.20
0.53
1.34
0.27
21.44
33.10
14.08
8.88
17.70
0.54
0.94
0
2.95
0
0.38
0
0
24.52
36.71
16.02
7.75
10.27
0.89
1.08
0.72
2.03
0
0
0
0
26.08
36.66
13.59
6.72
11.89
1.82
0
0
1.88
1.32
0
0
0
31.58
28.15
14.20
2.22
17.21
1.23
2.15
0
1.86
0
1.40
0
0
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Given whom they match at "villager" level of closeness from my confirmed matches, they are likely from either a single or 1-3 neighbouring villages from somewhere around here. Considering that those in red look generously mixed with Ukrainians and that there is also some light South Asian admix, it should be an area within the below that fits these criteria.
https://i.ibb.co/C9KSjVc/image.png
3 (first two are grandparent and nephew relationships, last is 350cM relationship to one and 80cM to other, so a 2nd degree cousin)
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
23.93
32.60
12.69
7.51
13.91
1.02
3.64
0
2.17
0.84
0.86
0.45
0.38
23.08
32.18
13.08
7.11
18.18
0.69
1.42
0
0.86
2.64
0
0
0.76
25.19
33.48
11.17
9.90
12.99
1.06
2.56
0
3.06
0
0.60
0
0
</tbody>
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None of these match any of the 22 above at meaningful distances, which signifies that they come from another area in the Balti region. These however are definitely not from the Falesti-Glodeni region given the matches that I have.
6 (these do not match neither of the 25 above and neither each other; these are likely genuine city folk from Balti)
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
21.34
31.99
15.85
9.04
16.47
2.18
0
0.86
1.12
0.00
0
0.96
0.18
25.91
29.65
15.36
10.26
15.63
0
1.19
1.61
0
0.37
0
0
0
24.56
31.94
17.63
6.74
13.24
0.97
2.04
0.68
0.94
0
0.60
0
0.66
23.69
25.49
14.35
13.24
16.25
4.22
0.26
1.33
0.74
0
0.43
0
0
27.07
28.68
13.68
9.21
14.50
2.21
0.92
0
1.47
1.46
0.34
0
0.46
23.51
36.03
14.26
4.20
16.73
0.14
1.17
0
3.21
0
0.75
0
0
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I think I will research this further and likelier remove those that look like villagers from the same place from the city average. Those 22 will go into Balti county, but for the other 3 I will have to look into closer to understand where they could come from in that region.
Could you send these samples to David to have G25 coordiantes?
Ion Basescul
10-15-2021, 06:46 PM
Could you send these samples to David to have G25 coordiantes?
They have been there as individuals and also as part of the Moldovan average for quite a while (1-2 years).
Ion Basescul
10-19-2021, 11:32 AM
1/2 Moldovan/Romanian from Ungheni, 1/2 Russian from Izmail (now in Ukraine)
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1/2 Moldovan/Romanian, 1/2 Ukrainian
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Ion Basescul
10-19-2021, 11:38 AM
2 Ukrainians
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43.03
7.98
5.78
8.40
0.24
1.02
0.37
1.67
1.90
0.21
1.10
0
27.62
40.08
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7.58
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0.34
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Ion Basescul
10-19-2021, 06:41 PM
From Orhei county
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Ion Basescul
10-19-2021, 06:52 PM
From Edinet county
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Ion Basescul
10-19-2021, 06:56 PM
From Ungheni county
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Vega7
10-19-2021, 08:40 PM
I found this thread and others on this forum while searching for information about the region my family is from.
My entire ancestry traces back to the former territory of Bukovina, Austria. 5/8 were Ukrainian and 3/8 were Romanian. 23andme tests of my family (including siblings) have been incredibly consistent with this as well as documentation of the ethnic makeup of the region in the late 1800s and early 1900s when my family came to Canada.
Ukrainian ancestry traces back to, in order of highest concentration - 1. Ivano-Frankivsk 2. Ternopil 3. Lviv 4. Chernivtsi
Romanian ancestry traces back to, in order of highest concentration - 1. Suceava 2. Botosani 3. Cluj 4. Bistrita-Nasaud
I've read a number of threads on this forum of people discussing this region. People tend to include the Romanian population as 'Moldadivan' when the actual history is more complicated than that. There was a massive migration from Transylvania to there in the 1700s and 1800s and most Romanians there were eventually of northern Transylvanian origin. Although my own Romanian relatives were from older villages from the eastern periphery that got fewer (if any) Transylvanian migrants. The Ukrainians likewise were almost exclusively migrants from the Ukrainian region of Halych (Galicia).
Anyway, I made an account since I'm curious to run my own family's DNA the way you guys have in this thread. I've never learned as much about my Romanian side since very few came to Canada at the time and most Romanians in Canada are recent migrants, mostly from the south.
I have a couple questions though. On 23andme, there is an option to download the raw data. Which confidence interval should I use? I can set it from 50% to 90%. Secondly, where do I upload the data? Thanks.
Ion Basescul
10-19-2021, 09:20 PM
I found this thread and others on this forum while searching for information about the region my family is from.
My entire ancestry traces back to the former territory of Bukovina, Austria. 5/8 were Ukrainian and 3/8 were Romanian. 23andme tests of my family (including siblings) have been incredibly consistent with this as well as documentation of the ethnic makeup of the region in the late 1800s and early 1900s when my family came to Canada.
Ukrainian ancestry traces back to, in order of highest concentration - 1. Ivano-Frankivsk 2. Ternopil 3. Lviv 4. Chernivtsi
Romanian ancestry traces back to, in order of highest concentration - 1. Suceava 2. Botosani 3. Cluj 4. Bistrita-Nasaud
I've read a number of threads on this forum of people discussing this region. People tend to include the Romanian population as 'Moldadivan' when the actual history is more complicated than that. There was a massive migration from Transylvania to there in the 1700s and 1800s and most Romanians there were eventually of northern Transylvanian origin. Although my own Romanian relatives were from older villages from the eastern periphery that got fewer (if any) Transylvanian migrants. The Ukrainians likewise were almost exclusively migrants from the Ukrainian region of Halych (Galicia).
Anyway, I made an account since I'm curious to run my own family's DNA the way you guys have in this thread. I've never learned as much about my Romanian side since very few came to Canada at the time and most Romanians in Canada are recent migrants, mostly from the south.
I have a couple questions though. On 23andme, there is an option to download the raw data. Which confidence interval should I use? I can set it from 50% to 90%. Secondly, where do I upload the data? Thanks.
I have someone from Cernauti who is 5/8 Romanian and 3/8 Ukrainian.
The history is more complicated than that for even neighbouring villages everywhere in Moldova, Romania and Ukraine, but we simplify for simplicity's sake.
The confidence interval doesn't matter, since the data that you will download is static.
Translate this to English (https://geneticaromd.github.io/adn/participa.html) and follow the 23andme instructions to get your data in a format that we use here.
You can write to me in PM if you want.
Nurzat
10-20-2021, 07:52 AM
it amazes me how Prut is no border, genetically speaking, in spite of Prut being a political border for two centuries now, and there is no border, but only a south to north gradient across Moldova, Prut river having no impact on that. and despite now being culturally a bit different, Moldovan genetics are very consistent across the territory and Moldovans of both sides can have their own cluster
Ion Basescul
10-20-2021, 12:18 PM
it amazes me how Prut is no border, genetically speaking, in spite of Prut being a political border for two centuries now, and there is no border, but only a south to north gradient across Moldova, Prut river having no impact on that. and despite now being culturally a bit different, Moldovan genetics are very consistent across the territory and Moldovans of both sides can have their own cluster
That's not surprising as there's been constant geneflow from all regions of Romania prior to 1812. For people who have done autosomal tests, this is evident when looking at the origins of the matches from Romania.
But even without that, this is obvious from surnames, because apart from the shared ones related to occupations, forenames, etc. there are others that point to the geographic origin in Romania and former Romanian territories.
Apart from the popular ones like Mocan(u), Muntean(u), Ungurean(u), Railean(u), which are probably very old and shared with Moldavia, there are also:
Eșanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=24637) / Eșan (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=24636)
Brașoveanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=7568) (2nd most popular surname in Maia Sandu's village) / Brașovean (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=7567) / Brașovanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=7566) / Brașovan (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=7565)
Moroșan (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=43489) / Moroșanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=43491)
Pașcan (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=48404) / Pașcănean (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=48405) / Pașcăneanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=48406)
Vrînceanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=71099) / Vrîncean (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=71098)
Braila (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=7499) / Brailean (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=7500) / Braileanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=7501)
Bîrlădeanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=5722) / Bîrlădean (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=5721) / Bîrlad (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=5720)
Vasluian (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=69091) / Vasluianu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=69092)
Tecuci (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=65140) / Tecuceanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=65139)
Dornea (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=22798) / Dornean (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=22799)
Hușanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=32850)
Focșa (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=25654)
Rădăuță (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=53340)
Suceveanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=63410)
Dobrojan (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=22296) / Dobrogeanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=22293)
Herța (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=32047)
Cernăuțanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=12380) / Cernăuțeanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=12381) / Cernăuțan (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=12379)
Botoșanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=7347) / Botoșan (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=7343) / Botoșneanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=7350)
Matcaș (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=40982)
Sirețanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=59882) / Sirețeanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=59885)
Oltu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=46769) / Olteanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=46767) / Oltean (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=46765)
Fălceanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=24863) / Fălcianu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=24865)
Tutovan (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=67892) / Tutovanu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=67893)
Covurluianu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=17935)
Chilianu (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=13195) / Chilian (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=13193)
Reniță (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=54199)
Daraban (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=20695)
Sălăjan (https://nume.casata.md/index.php?l=ro&action=viewnume&id=56170)
So if you find something like that in a village, then it likely indicates that some people from that village and likely neighbouring village(s), because of them intermarrying, had at some point in the past ancestors from that place. We have records from the 19th century from Causeni and Cantemir, where several villages are founded by people from Iasi, Cernauti and Vaslui regions. If our record keeping were better, then we would probably find that many places were founded or settled by migrants. And that movement isn't limited only to the side in Republic of Moldova.
Prior to the Soviet occupation in 1940, about 5% of the population of Moldova fled to the side in Romania.
"Dintr-o populație de 3.776.000 de locuitori, (în conformitate cu rezultatele recensământul din 1930), în teritoriile ocupate de URSS, 2.078.000 (55%) erau etnici români. Peste 200.000 de locuitori de toate etniile s-au refugiat în România în cele câteva zile care au urmat după 28 iunie."
But there will be differences in families of people who received geneflow due to the policy of colonisation undertaken by the Russian Empire and then Soviet Union (Ukrainian, Russian, Bulgarian and Gagauz ancestry). In some villages in the North especially, even without colonisation there were historic East Slavic communities who migrated earlier from Western Ukraine and Poland, which over time assimilated and this process is far from being complete. But then again, the same happened in Suceava, Cernauti, Botosani and Bacau regions, so even these mixed people will find genetic equivalents there.
Nurzat
10-20-2021, 01:02 PM
also Bejenariu / Bejinariu, alternatively ending in -ru, points to settlers, and in the monography of my mom's village there are mentioned settlers from Sibiu region in the village in the 19th century, arrived as craftsmen, together with several Greek (Phanariote) landowners and a few Lipovans whose last names are kept to this day. so imagine the mix in a few hundred people village xD
Ion Basescul
10-20-2021, 01:41 PM
also Bejenariu / Bejinariu, alternatively ending in -ru, points to settlers, and in the monography of my mom's village there are mentioned settlers from Sibiu region in the village in the 19th century, arrived as craftsmen, together with several Greek (Phanariote) landowners and a few Lipovans whose last names are kept to this day. so imagine the mix in a few hundred people village xD
Yes, here it's Bejenaru / Bejenari / Bejenar, but those are not always Moldovans or Romanians, at least originally. The same is for Volontir / Volintiri / Volontir and Arnaut / Arnautu. For Cazacu / Cazac variations it's also complicated, since it doesn't always mean Russian or Ukrainian ancestry. People from here expanded historically also into Ukrainian hatmans, and it was popular for those who returned to adopt this surname that points to Cossack origins.
Vega7
10-21-2021, 06:39 AM
I have someone from Cernauti who is 5/8 Romanian and 3/8 Ukrainian.
The history is more complicated than that for even neighbouring villages everywhere in Moldova, Romania and Ukraine, but we simplify for simplicity's sake.
The confidence interval doesn't matter, since the data that you will download is static.
Translate this to English (https://geneticaromd.github.io/adn/participa.html) and follow the 23andme instructions to get your data in a format that we use here.
You can write to me in PM if you want.
Thanks for the reply. I did check out that website and it appears that you have to permanently upload your DNA to an online database? I wasn't aware of that.
I would be using a sibling's DNA since I was too cheap to get my own 23andme done. lol. My 2 sisters both got it done and their results were pretty much identical, so I figured there wasn't much point in me getting it done too. In that case, I'll definitely have to look more into it and ask for their permission.
Vega7
10-22-2021, 04:08 AM
Hey so I got my mom's data and ran it against the reference samples you posted in this thread (as well as the base samples provided by GEDmatch and the vahaduo website) and got the following:
She is 3/4 Ukrainian (top region on 23andme was Ivano-Frankivsk) and 1/4 Romanian (top Region was Suceava). Again, everyone traces back to Bukovina before immigrating to Canada.
Population
North_Atlantic 21.9 Pct
Baltic 40.1 Pct
West_Med 13.35 Pct
West_Asian 6.68 Pct
East_Med 13.29 Pct
Red_Sea 0.92 Pct
South_Asian 0.83 Pct
East_Asian 0.69 Pct
Siberian 1.28 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.97 Pct
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 7.09
2 Moldavian 7.48
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.76
4 Ukrainian 9.05
The Croat distance I'm assuming just reflects the limitations of this method of an analysis. When you mix a SW Ukrainian with a Moldovan, you get something that the program thinks looks similar to a Croat, even though her overall genetics won't be anything like one.
For K15
North_Sea 18.01 Pct
Atlantic 10.28 Pct
Baltic 26.51 Pct
Eastern_Euro 17.17 Pct
West_Med 9.54 Pct
West_Asian 7.44 Pct
East_Med 8.42 Pct
Red_Sea 1.21 Pct
South_Asian 0.07 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.39 Pct
Siberian 0.29 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.66 Pct
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 6.15
2 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.27
3 Croatian 7.59
4 Ukrainian 7.95
5 South_Polish 8.88
6 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.78
7 Southwest_Russian 10.47
8 Hungarian 10.67
K13 Using the Reference Samples you posted in this thread:
5.34456734 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
8.57928901 Ukrainian_Romania
8.60163938 Moldova_North
10.08980674 Ukrainian_Lviv
10.42271078 Ukrainian
11.41611142 Romania_Moldavia_North
11.66148361 Moldova_Centre
14.68532601 Romania_Moldavia_South
17.36902991 Moldova_South
All of this more or less makes sense given her ancestry and it's rather consistent with her 23andme report. Something is a bit unusual though.
Her Baltic to North Atlantic ratio seems very high. Compared to pretty much every similar reference sample, her Baltic is higher and her North Atlantic is lower. And I think this is preventing her from getting a close match to any individual region.
Her: 21.9, 40.1
Ukrainian_Lviv: 27.35, 41.85
Ukrainian_Carpathian: 26.50, 38.13
Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk: 26.18, 38.44
Ukrainian_Romania: 28.41, 35.25
Romania_Moldavia_North: 24.73, 29.80
Romania_Moldavia_South: 23.84,26.94
Moldova_North: 25.89, 33.33
Moldova_Centre: 22.58, 29.72
Moldova_South: 21.75, 24.97
On the other hand, her 1:1 ratio of East Med:West Med seems rather consistent with Romania, whereas Western Ukraine (including Zakarpattia), Hungary, etc. have significantly higher West Med.
For this reason, the Oracle calculations tend to mix her with something high in Baltic and something high in (especially east) Med. For example:
71.5% Southwest_Russian + 28.5% Greek_Thessaly = 3.71
72% Lithuanian + 28% Cyprian = 3.78
Anyway, I'll talk to one of my sisters and get their raw data. My mom is only 1/4 Romanian and her family was from different villages than my dad's side, so I'm curious to see how different mine (my sister's) would look.
Presumably a half Lipovan Russian from Botosani
North_Atlantic 24.37 Pct
Baltic 39.23 Pct
West_Med 10.88 Pct
West_Asian 6.7 Pct
East_Med 13.46 Pct
Red_Sea 1.45 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.62 Pct
Amerindian 0.51 Pct
Oceanian 0.79 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Ion Basescul
10-22-2021, 01:41 PM
Hey so I got my mom's data and ran it against the reference samples you posted in this thread (as well as the base samples provided by GEDmatch and the vahaduo website) and got the following:
She is 3/4 Ukrainian (top region on 23andme was Ivano-Frankivsk) and 1/4 Romanian (top Region was Suceava). Again, everyone traces back to Bukovina before immigrating to Canada.
Population
North_Atlantic 21.9 Pct
Baltic 40.1 Pct
West_Med 13.35 Pct
West_Asian 6.68 Pct
East_Med 13.29 Pct
Red_Sea 0.92 Pct
South_Asian 0.83 Pct
East_Asian 0.69 Pct
Siberian 1.28 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.97 Pct
These results make sense for someone who is majority Ukrainian (3/4) and minority Moldovan/Romanian (1/4), as it is in this case.
Those averages from above are more than one year old. My latest averages are:
Romania_Moldavia_North,24.89,30.80,15.19,9.09,14.2 7,1.69,0.84,0.56,1.37,0.53,0.47,0.17,0.13
Romania_Moldavia_South,24.02,26.72,16.79,9.78,17.0 0,2.06,0.64,0.58,1.14,0.64,0.37,0.10,0.16
Moldova_average,23.31,31.19,15.42,9.57,14.52,1.81, 0.97,0.63,1.41,0.46,0.42,0.12,0.18
Moldova_Centre,23.53,31.20,15.11,9.56,14.31,1.77,1 .20,0.52,1.58,0.45,0.46,0.15,0.17
Moldova_North,23.99,33.84,14.21,9.52,12.52,1.74,0. 78,0.71,1.23,0.39,0.74,0.08,0.27
Moldova_South,21.97,26.97,17.49,10.22,17.43,2.16,0 .92,0.45,1.23,0.54,0.35,0.12,0.14
You could also use more specific averages like:
Romania_Moldavia_Botosani,25.16,32.26,14.76,8.68,1 4.15,1.22,0.64,0.47,1.51,0.46,0.42,0.07,0.19
Romania_Moldavia_Suceava,26.26,32.00,14.15,8.41,13 .27,1.52,0.89,0.53,1.64,0.52,0.47,0.27,0.09
Romania_Moldavia_Iasi,23.95,30.08,15.76,9.28,15.03 ,1.96,1.00,0.57,1.12,0.55,0.45,0.15,0.10
Romania_Moldavia_Neamt,24.23,27.91,16.48,10.54,14. 44,2.12,0.67,0.77,1.29,0.61,0.59,0.17,0.18
Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui,25.50,28.13,15.78,9.06,15. 71,2.14,0.56,0.49,1.58,0.47,0.24,0.13,0.19
Romania_Moldavia_Bacau,23.64,27.10,16.95,10.14,16. 61,2.06,0.52,0.67,0.78,0.74,0.55,0.06,0.17
Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea,23.24,24.98,17.56,10.74,1 7.20,2.21,0.94,0.66,1.31,0.71,0.27,0.12,0.08
Romania_Moldavia_Galati,23.54,25.33,17.32,9.51,18. 82,1.95,0.67,0.59,1.02,0.59,0.40,0.12,0.13
Romania_Ukrainian,26.55,37.87,13.11,5.62,11.13,1.4 7,1.30,1.39,0.85,0.15,0.43,0.12,0.00
Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi),25.37,33.29,12.72,10 .48,12.73,1.63,0.47,0.89,1.07,0.61,0.28,0.26,0.20
Moldova_Edinet_judet,24.96,33.94,14.67,9.14,12.35, 1.34,0.53,0.53,1.34,0.69,0.29,0.16,0.08
Moldova_Soroca_judet,23.87,33.35,13.80,9.26,13.58, 1.64,1.13,0.72,1.48,0.43,0.47,0.13,0.16
Moldova_Balti_judet,24.13,32.35,14.76,8.89,13.74,1 .56,1.04,0.59,1.70,0.42,0.44,0.13,0.25
Moldova_Balti_city,24.53,32.13,14.81,8.31,14.49,1. 85,0.84,0.78,1.16,0.22,0.47,0.18,0.21
Moldova_Orhei_judet,25.04,31.56,14.42,10.20,13.52, 1.63,0.87,0.14,1.49,0.46,0.34,0.17,0.18
Moldova_Ungheni_judet,23.08,31.47,14.69,9.63,15.53 ,1.49,0.75,0.40,1.40,0.87,0.44,0.00,0.23
Moldova_Chisinau_judet,24.17,30.31,15.97,9.40,13.1 5,2.18,1.56,0.42,1.42,0.59,0.41,0.10,0.32
Moldova_Chisinau_city,22.91,31.40,15.15,9.89,14.16 ,1.93,1.19,0.67,1.50,0.48,0.42,0.15,0.12
Moldova_Lapusna_judet,21.80,29.89,15.73,9.71,17.27 ,1.30,1.38,0.64,1.12,0.57,0.36,0.12,0.13
Moldova_Tighina_judet,21.11,24.57,17.88,11.84,18.9 8,3.10,0.27,0.49,0.77,0.36,0.32,0.12,0.20
Moldova_Cahul_judet,22.85,26.00,18.46,9.79,17.03,2 .20,0.55,0.59,1.37,0.68,0.31,0.12,0.06
Moldova_Ukrainian+Russian,26.25,41.42,11.44,6.50,8 .77,0.99,1.10,0.66,1.26,0.60,0.35,0.39,0.25
But at the end of the day, these are averages, so your results are not supposed to fit perfectly.
However, I can tell you confidently, that your results make perfect sense for someone who is 3/4 Ukrainian and 1/4 Romanian/Moldovan from that area. They could even pass as 1/2 Ukrainian and 1/2 Moldovan/Romanian and in that area of Ukraine they are not unusual even for people who consider themselves full Ukrainians.
The North Atlantic to Baltic ratio that you touched upon can be random, even within one's family. Both are components characteristic of Northern latitudes in Europe, only that one pulls to the West, and the other to the East. Don't get fixated on that disparity. There are people who have them even in equal amounts. With the sum of your components, that would have been 30 to 30.
Ion Basescul
10-22-2021, 02:17 PM
<tbody>
Distance to:
Vega7_mom
3.05852906
Moldova_mixed_34_Ukrainian
3.11157516
Ukraine_mixed_1_Cernauti_5/8Romanian_3/8Ukrainian
3.14839642
Moldova_mixed_5_1/2Ukrainian_1/2Moldovan
4.45250491
Moldova_mixed_28_Balti
4.61473726
Moldova_mixed_29_Ukrainian
4.62630522
Moldova_mixed_37_Russian
4.79397539
Moldova_mixed_7_1/2Drochia_1/2TransnistriaOdessa
4.81563080
Moldova_mixed_1_2/4Ukrainian_1/4Moldovan_1/4Polish
4.94165964
Moldova_mixed_16_1/2Russian_1/2Moldovan
5.30914306
Moldova_mixed_26_Transnistrian_Ukrainian
5.79570531
Moldova_mixed_2_1/2Drochia_1/2Polish
5.84155801
Moldova_mixed_25_Transnistrian_Ukrainian
5.93263011
Moldova_mixed_33_Ukrainian
6.09380833
Moldova_mixed_9_1/2Russian_1/2Moldovan
6.91783926
Ukraine_Hutsul_2_IvanoFrankivsk
7.02924605
Moldova_mixed_35_Ukrainian
7.13016129
Moldova_mixed_13_1/2Russian_1/2Moldovan
7.20843256
Moldova_mixed_12_MoldovanUkrainianRussian
7.38693441
Moldova_mixed_30_Transnistrian_Ukrainian
7.69736318
Moldova_mixed_4_1/2Ukrainian_1/2Moldovan
7.78233256
Moldova_mixed_31_Ukrainian
7.79777532
Moldova_mixed_36_Ukrainian
7.89648656
Moldova_mixed_27_Ukrainian
8.27183172
Moldova_mixed_3_10/16Ukrainian_6/16Moldovan
8.56453151
Ukraine_Hutsul_1_IvanoFrankivsk
</tbody>
Vega7
10-23-2021, 03:00 AM
These results make sense for someone who is majority Ukrainian (3/4) and minority Moldovan/Romanian (1/4), as it is in this case.
Those averages from above are more than one year old. My latest averages are:
Romania_Moldavia_North,24.89,30.80,15.19,9.09,14.2 7,1.69,0.84,0.56,1.37,0.53,0.47,0.17,0.13
Romania_Moldavia_South,24.02,26.72,16.79,9.78,17.0 0,2.06,0.64,0.58,1.14,0.64,0.37,0.10,0.16
Moldova_average,23.31,31.19,15.42,9.57,14.52,1.81, 0.97,0.63,1.41,0.46,0.42,0.12,0.18
Moldova_Centre,23.53,31.20,15.11,9.56,14.31,1.77,1 .20,0.52,1.58,0.45,0.46,0.15,0.17
Moldova_North,23.99,33.84,14.21,9.52,12.52,1.74,0. 78,0.71,1.23,0.39,0.74,0.08,0.27
Moldova_South,21.97,26.97,17.49,10.22,17.43,2.16,0 .92,0.45,1.23,0.54,0.35,0.12,0.14
You could also use more specific averages like:
Romania_Moldavia_Botosani,25.16,32.26,14.76,8.68,1 4.15,1.22,0.64,0.47,1.51,0.46,0.42,0.07,0.19
Romania_Moldavia_Suceava,26.26,32.00,14.15,8.41,13 .27,1.52,0.89,0.53,1.64,0.52,0.47,0.27,0.09
Romania_Moldavia_Iasi,23.95,30.08,15.76,9.28,15.03 ,1.96,1.00,0.57,1.12,0.55,0.45,0.15,0.10
Romania_Moldavia_Neamt,24.23,27.91,16.48,10.54,14. 44,2.12,0.67,0.77,1.29,0.61,0.59,0.17,0.18
Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui,25.50,28.13,15.78,9.06,15. 71,2.14,0.56,0.49,1.58,0.47,0.24,0.13,0.19
Romania_Moldavia_Bacau,23.64,27.10,16.95,10.14,16. 61,2.06,0.52,0.67,0.78,0.74,0.55,0.06,0.17
Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea,23.24,24.98,17.56,10.74,1 7.20,2.21,0.94,0.66,1.31,0.71,0.27,0.12,0.08
Romania_Moldavia_Galati,23.54,25.33,17.32,9.51,18. 82,1.95,0.67,0.59,1.02,0.59,0.40,0.12,0.13
Romania_Ukrainian,26.55,37.87,13.11,5.62,11.13,1.4 7,1.30,1.39,0.85,0.15,0.43,0.12,0.00
Romanian_Cernauti(Chernivtsi),25.37,33.29,12.72,10 .48,12.73,1.63,0.47,0.89,1.07,0.61,0.28,0.26,0.20
Moldova_Edinet_judet,24.96,33.94,14.67,9.14,12.35, 1.34,0.53,0.53,1.34,0.69,0.29,0.16,0.08
Moldova_Soroca_judet,23.87,33.35,13.80,9.26,13.58, 1.64,1.13,0.72,1.48,0.43,0.47,0.13,0.16
Moldova_Balti_judet,24.13,32.35,14.76,8.89,13.74,1 .56,1.04,0.59,1.70,0.42,0.44,0.13,0.25
Moldova_Balti_city,24.53,32.13,14.81,8.31,14.49,1. 85,0.84,0.78,1.16,0.22,0.47,0.18,0.21
Moldova_Orhei_judet,25.04,31.56,14.42,10.20,13.52, 1.63,0.87,0.14,1.49,0.46,0.34,0.17,0.18
Moldova_Ungheni_judet,23.08,31.47,14.69,9.63,15.53 ,1.49,0.75,0.40,1.40,0.87,0.44,0.00,0.23
Moldova_Chisinau_judet,24.17,30.31,15.97,9.40,13.1 5,2.18,1.56,0.42,1.42,0.59,0.41,0.10,0.32
Moldova_Chisinau_city,22.91,31.40,15.15,9.89,14.16 ,1.93,1.19,0.67,1.50,0.48,0.42,0.15,0.12
Moldova_Lapusna_judet,21.80,29.89,15.73,9.71,17.27 ,1.30,1.38,0.64,1.12,0.57,0.36,0.12,0.13
Moldova_Tighina_judet,21.11,24.57,17.88,11.84,18.9 8,3.10,0.27,0.49,0.77,0.36,0.32,0.12,0.20
Moldova_Cahul_judet,22.85,26.00,18.46,9.79,17.03,2 .20,0.55,0.59,1.37,0.68,0.31,0.12,0.06
Moldova_Ukrainian+Russian,26.25,41.42,11.44,6.50,8 .77,0.99,1.10,0.66,1.26,0.60,0.35,0.39,0.25
But at the end of the day, these are averages, so your results are not supposed to fit perfectly.
However, I can tell you confidently, that your results make perfect sense for someone who is 3/4 Ukrainian and 1/4 Romanian/Moldovan from that area. They could even pass as 1/2 Ukrainian and 1/2 Moldovan/Romanian and in that area of Ukraine they are not unusual even for people who consider themselves full Ukrainians.
The North Atlantic to Baltic ratio that you touched upon can be random, even within one's family. Both are components characteristic of Northern latitudes in Europe, only that one pulls to the West, and the other to the East. Don't get fixated on that disparity. There are people who have them even in equal amounts. With the sum of your components, that would have been 30 to 30.
Alright makes sense. So far pretty much everything I've seen has just told me exactly what I should expect given my family tree. So I guess that suggests this stuff is pretty accurate. But my sister is coming over tomorrow and then I should be able to check that one.
Anyway, thanks a lot.
Ion Basescul
10-25-2021, 09:41 AM
Presumably a half Lipovan Russian from Botosani
North_Atlantic 24.37 Pct
Baltic 39.23 Pct
West_Med 10.88 Pct
West_Asian 6.7 Pct
East_Med 13.46 Pct
Red_Sea 1.45 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.62 Pct
Amerindian 0.51 Pct
Oceanian 0.79 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Good nose, this person is indeed a confirmed half Lipovan and half Romanian from Botosani, which is kind of rare. Ukrainian admixture is way more prominent than Russian in that region.
Ion Basescul
10-25-2021, 10:03 AM
Target: Romania_Moldavia_mixed_42_Botosani_1/2Lipovan_1/2Romanian
Distance: 3.2205% / 3.22049393
52.7 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
36.2 Russian_Southwest
7.7 Russian_Kostroma
3.4 Moldova_Balti_city
Target: Romania_Moldavia_mixed_42_Botosani_1/2Lipovan_1/2Romanian
Distance: 3.2419% / 3.24193893 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.7 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
45.2 Russian_Southwest
4.1 Moldova_Balti_city
Target: Romania_Moldavia_mixed_42_Botosani_1/2Lipovan_1/2Romanian
Distance: 3.2430% / 3.24301404 | R2P
54.5 Moldova_Ungheni_judet
45.5 Russian_Southwest
Distance to: Romania_Moldavia_mixed_42_Botosani_1/2Lipovan_1/2Romanian
3.24306151 54.60% Moldova_Ungheni_judet + 45.40% Russian_Southwest
3.43374637 57.80% Moldova_Balti_city + 42.20% Russian_Southwest
3.53240031 62.60% Moldova_Ungheni_judet + 37.40% Russian_Kostroma
3.63889194 58.40% Romania_Moldavia_Botosani + 41.60% Russian_Southwest
3.64414825 62.80% Moldova_Soroca_judet + 37.20% Russian_Southwest
3.71251146 65.80% Moldova_Balti_city + 34.20% Russian_Kostroma
3.73624658 58.80% Moldova_Balti_judet + 41.20% Russian_Southwest
3.74164839 50.80% Romania_Moldavia_Iasi + 49.20% Russian_Southwest
3.88813195 70.60% Moldova_Soroca_judet + 29.40% Russian_Kostroma
3.94175994 67.00% Moldova_Ungheni_judet + 33.00% Russian_Northern_Dvina
3.95340659 61.00% Moldova_Ungheni_judet + 39.00% Russian_Smolensk
3.96616015 60.60% Moldova_Ungheni_judet + 39.40% Russian_average
3.98401227 66.80% Romania_Moldavia_Botosani + 33.20% Russian_Kostroma
4.08740993 70.20% Moldova_Balti_city + 29.80% Russian_Northern_Dvina
4.13628254 67.20% Moldova_Balti_judet + 32.80% Russian_Kostroma
4.16694774 74.80% Moldova_Soroca_judet + 25.20% Russian_Northern_Dvina
4.18252216 59.20% Romania_Moldavia_Iasi + 40.80% Russian_Kostroma
4.19449998 64.00% Moldova_Balti_city + 36.00% Russian_average
4.22171208 57.80% Romania_Moldavia_Suceava + 42.20% Russian_Southwest
4.24139840 69.20% Moldova_Soroca_judet + 30.80% Russian_average
4.27919184 69.80% Moldova_Soroca_judet + 30.20% Russian_Smolensk
4.34484024 64.20% Moldova_Edinet_judet + 35.80% Russian_Southwest
4.36677642 71.00% Romania_Moldavia_Botosani + 29.00% Russian_Northern_Dvina
4.37081097 64.80% Moldova_Ungheni_judet + 35.20% Russian_Kargopol
4.38406588 64.80% Moldova_Balti_city + 35.20% Russian_Smolensk
Used references
Russian_average,26.03,47.50,8.65,5.49,2.99,0.68,1. 32,0.45,4.75,1.23,0.46,0.15,0.31
Russian_Kargopol,24.92,48.36,7.52,5.54,1.50,0.04,2 .49,0.23,6.67,1.70,0.23,0.53,0.26
Russian_Kostroma,26.19,48.54,6.21,5.35,3.19,0.39,1 .05,0.69,6.37,1.16,0.52,0.19,0.16
Russian_Northern_Dvina,26.52,49.43,5.57,4.65,1.14, 0.51,0.99,0.44,8.60,1.19,0.47,0.17,0.34
Russian_Smolensk,28.16,48.47,8.74,5.82,3.83,1.69,1 .38,0.17,0.85,0.43,0.38,0.06,0.01
Russian_Southwest,25.91,47.21,8.25,6.80,6.26,0.55, 1.00,0.22,2.14,0.81,0.43,0.19,0.23
Romania_Moldavia_Botosani,25.16,32.26,14.76,8.68,1 4.15,1.22,0.64,0.47,1.51,0.46,0.42,0.07,0.19
Romania_Moldavia_Suceava,26.32,31.78,14.25,8.46,13 .26,1.52,0.91,0.54,1.61,0.52,0.46,0.28,0.09
Romania_Moldavia_Iasi,23.95,30.08,15.76,9.28,15.03 ,1.96,1.00,0.57,1.12,0.55,0.45,0.15,0.10
Moldova_Edinet_judet,24.96,33.94,14.67,9.14,12.35, 1.34,0.53,0.53,1.34,0.69,0.29,0.16,0.08
Moldova_Soroca_judet,23.87,33.35,13.80,9.26,13.58, 1.64,1.13,0.72,1.48,0.43,0.47,0.13,0.16
Moldova_Balti_judet,24.13,32.35,14.76,8.89,13.74,1 .56,1.04,0.59,1.70,0.42,0.44,0.13,0.25
Moldova_Balti_city,24.53,32.13,14.81,8.31,14.49,1. 85,0.84,0.78,1.16,0.22,0.47,0.18,0.21
Moldova_Ungheni_judet,23.08,31.47,14.69,9.63,15.53 ,1.49,0.75,0.40,1.40,0.87,0.44,0.00,0.23
Good nose, this person is indeed a confirmed half Lipovan and half Romanian from Botosani, which is kind of rare. Ukrainian admixture is way more prominent than Russian in that region.
Cool. His Y DNA is listed as I1 which is rare in Russia but not super rare or exotic (about 5% of ethnic Russians), mtDNA is K1c.
His Dodecad oracles
MM,4.42,2.63,0,0.12,21.79,48.03,0,0,4.74,0,18.28,0
Distance to: MM
4.82736988 Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
5.77226992 Moldovan_North
6.80683480 Croat
7.06055239 Hungarian_North
7.23838380 Bosnian
7.44844950 Croat_South
7.92077648 Slovak
7.93240821 Hungarian_Alföld
8.21087693 Hungarian
8.25729980 Slovenian
Distance to: MM
1.47664208 24.80% Greek_Icaria + 75.20% Russian_Tver
1.55460865 68.20% Russian_Voronezh + 31.80% Turk_Makedonya
1.62408194 29.80% Greek_Foca + 70.20% Russian_Tver
1.63462351 44.80% Pomak_Greece + 55.20% Russian_Tver
1.64320350 31.20% Greek_Athens + 68.80% Russian_Tver
1.70797017 19.80% Greek_Rhodes + 80.20% Russian_Voronezh
1.71343069 20.20% Greek_Kos + 79.80% Russian_Voronezh
1.71961785 24.20% Italian_Apulia + 75.80% Russian_Voronezh
1.72181354 21.60% Greek_Crete + 78.40% Russian_Voronezh
1.72551424 27.40% Greek_Izmir + 72.60% Russian_Tver
Target: MM
Distance: 1.2564% / 1.25637102 | ADC: 0.25x RC
52.4 Moldovan_North
40.4 Russian_Voronezh
2.7 Chechen
2.4 Chuvash
2.1 Kuwait2
For all the niggas out there who wonder what he looks like
https://scontent.frix7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/17015766_10211152662185992_3027386265150437333_o.j pg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=174925&_nc_eui2=AeEoR7g3ScKYSb_v6N9Un9fpfKTGEIzaqtJ8pMYQj Nqq0iulpJ979PAteutX-JSJtBppjqnUIU7zyAmYTMKRjomd&_nc_ohc=gy9xhBRD_YcAX-7kbve&_nc_ht=scontent.frix7-1.fna&oh=a8e9903127f5dc91e59812068bd4b9bd&oe=619E4458
Ion Basescul
10-26-2021, 02:38 PM
edited
Ion Basescul
10-26-2021, 11:09 PM
it amazes me how Prut is no border, genetically speaking,
One thing to add here is that it makes sense historically for Romanians in both Romanian Moldavia and Republic of Moldova to be similar on comparable latitudes in the Centre and North of the country.
But for the South of Republic of Moldova, this is probably guaranteed for villages that hug the Prut river. But for the rest, it might not be as predictable.
Remember that for the Southern region, I have the least amount of samples and a significant chunk come from the same village. I personally expect Southerners to be closer to Centrals and Northerners than it might appear today. Obviously those on the Prut will likely be more Southern on average, but I don't expect anything crazy like in outliers of Caplani. It will likely land somewhere in the Galati-Vaslui ranges for unmixed people, which combine both Central and Southern-like results.
After all, those stranding the Prut up to about Vadul lui Isac - Colibasi are genuine old Southern Moldovans.
Elsewhere in the South however, we would probably get either 1) same Moldovans/Romanians as in the South, Centre and North, 2) Bulgarians/Gagauz, 3) Russians/Ukrainians, 4) mixes of all
Here's my rationale for that. When we think of Moldavia historically, we think of this map:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Moldavia_map.jpg
But that's simply due to nationalism, because Moldavia looked like that for less than one hundred years in the 14th-15th centuries.
Up to modern times (from roughly 1484 to 1812), Moldavia actually looked like this, with a very brief period of reconquest during Mihai Viteazul's time:
https://m.moldovenii.md/resources/files/photo/c/f/cf94e5915407044903dc80b0a3fd8a55.jpg
https://m.moldovenii.md/resources/files/photo/1/9/19b0b5d3289843cdc287e88b097170e9.jpg
https://m.moldovenii.md/resources/files/photo/1/5/15b960de1cee80b26eb28456fed974b7.jpg
https://i.redd.it/a6f4pc97a7c71.jpg
And here's my rendition superimposed on villages, where I traced by following the names of the villages from above.
https://i.ibb.co/q18VXsg/1930-Recensamant-Basarabia-etnica-hotar-Modern-hotar-Medieval.png
Red = current borders of Republic of Moldova
Black = limit of Moldova between 1484-1812; South and East of it were proper Ottoman lands where very few Moldovans/Romanians lived.
This territory was repopulated by Moldovans descending from further North or those by the Prut moving East after 1812.
Here also came waves of Bulgarians/Gagauz, Russians, Ukrainians and Germans.
Here you could find very Southern, very Northern people, and everything in-between; sometimes in very unexpected places because of this repopulation.
Like in the case of the village of Caplani from Stefan Voda, from where the academic Reich lab samples come. There the inhabitants are almost unanimously Moldovans/Romanians nowadays, but ethnically 6/10 of those tested look like Southern Bulgarians, whereas others like more typical Moldovans. Their surnames have a strong Russian element in some, which can also mean that there was a three-way national mix in there and the Romanian cultural element prevailed.
But then after 4 villages upwards from them in Festelita, there are 2 sisters whom I match on 23andme. They score around 50% Eastern Euro and 50% Balkan. These results are on the Northern-most cline and considering how the village is surrounded by a Russian and Ukrainian village, I wouldn't be surprised if some mix from there occurred. However, that's not necessary, because, again, this is the place that wasn't under Moldova's control for 400 years. Because of that, they are likely descendants of people who have resettled the village after 1812.
Therefore, they could simply be unmixed Moldovans/Romanians who trace ancestry to anywhere in the Central-Northern region.
TL;DR: full Stefan Voda, Causeni, Cimislia, parts of Anenii Noi, Hincesti, Leova, Cantemir and Cahul districts, which were not part of Moldavia between 1484-1812, were resettled very recently with Moldovans from elsewhere in the country. Some of the villages there were purely founded by colonists of Bulgarian/Gagauz, Russian/Ukrainian and German descent (most Germans left however). It is not unusual for all elements to mix in some villages. Because of this heterogenity, results there likely range from 1) Southern Bulgarian like to 2) typical old Moldovan at Southern latitudes (similar to Galati county), to 3) Central and Northern Moldovans who helped resettle and romanise the region after 1812, in the vacuum left by Tatars, to 4) Russian and Ukrainian.
Ion Basescul
12-27-2021, 11:01 AM
From Neamt county
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Neamt_in_Romania.svg/250px-Neamt_in_Romania.svg.png
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East_Med
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East_Asian
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27.54
26.15
14.72
10.03
17.47
0.53
0.78
0
0.93
0.96
0.89
0
0
26.68
27.04
12.78
9.74
19.03
0
0
0.54
1.97
0.95
0.62
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Distance to: Neamt_1
3.75508988 Romania_Crisana
4.52028760 Romania_Moldavia_South
4.53843585 Romania_Transylvania
4.82077795 Romania_Maramures
4.82574347 Romania_average
4.90003061 Romania_Banat
5.06750432 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.32236789 Montenegrin
5.33475398 Serb_Serbia_Central
5.42107923 Serb_Serbia_South
5.44271991 Serb_Herzegovina
5.54682792 Serb_Serbia_West
5.60593436 Serb
5.64690181 Serb_Croatia
5.66182833 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
5.82450856 Romania_Oltenia
5.93808892 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
6.03469138 Bosniak_Sandzak
6.28300883 Romania_Wallachia
6.38924878 Romania_Muntenia
6.50023077 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.54819823 Moldova_South
6.58242357 Romania_Dobruja
6.62026435 Bulgaria_Southwestern
6.71220530 Bulgaria_Northwestern
Distance to: Neamt_2
5.41519159 Romania_Crisana
5.75748209 Romania_Moldavia_South
6.02468256 Romania_Transylvania
6.06900321 Romania_average
6.23991987 Serb_Serbia_Central
6.25379085 Romania_Banat
6.29607020 Serb_Serbia_South
6.39922652 Romania_Maramures
6.41212913 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
6.69679028 Serb_Herzegovina
6.76698604 Serb_Croatia
6.84649545 Serb
6.90139116 Montenegrin
7.10936706 Serb_Serbia_West
7.10944442 Romania_Moldavia_North
7.14825153 Romania_Oltenia
7.25425392 Romania_Wallachia
7.28695410 Bulgaria_Northwestern
7.29403181 Romania_Muntenia
7.32889487 Moldova_South
7.33099584 Serb_Southern_Montenegro
7.40628787 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.44225100 Romania_Dobruja
7.70087657 Bosniak_Sandzak
7.74952257 Bulgaria_Southwestern
Ion Basescul
12-27-2021, 11:15 AM
From Suceava county
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Suceava_in_Romania.svg/250px-Suceava_in_Romania.svg.png
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East_Med
Red_Sea
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East_Asian
Siberian
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Oceanian
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27.61
32.95
16.19
8.21
9.91
1.59
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1.81
0.41
0.54
0.77
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Distance to: Suceava
2.95721152 Hungarian_Alföld
2.95788776 Croat
3.82766247 Croat_East
3.87914939 Croat_North
3.91019181 Hungarian
4.22356485 Csángó-Ceangău
4.31155424 Croat_West
4.34824102 Croat_South
4.51239404 Bosniak_Bosnia
4.55240596 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.13707115 Slovenian
5.26688713 Bosniak
5.32971857 Moldova_North
5.36091410 Hungarian_North
5.39242988 Poland_Lemko
5.64687524 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.65286653 Serb_Bosnia
5.86718842 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.33330088 Ukrainian_Carpathian
6.65393117 Moldova_Centre
6.70204446 Romania_Maramures
6.72966567 Serb_Serbia_West
6.78616239 Serb_Croatia
6.87751409 Moldova_average
7.02630059 Slovak
Ion Basescul
12-27-2021, 11:32 AM
Russophone (Ukrainian surname) from Chisinau
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East_Med
Red_Sea
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East_Asian
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41.22
12.55
8.69
10.92
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1.48
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0.05
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Distance to: Russophone_Ukrainian
4.05275215 Moldova_Ukrainian
4.84655548 Ukrainian_Carpathian
5.70873892 Ukrainian_Galicia
6.07204249 Poland_Lemko
6.91136021 Bosniak_Bosnia
7.15010489 Polish_Southeast
7.79796127 Croat_East
7.80640762 Ukrainian
8.06454586 Polish_Silesia
8.14101345 Moldova_North
8.52354973 South_Polish
8.77473077 Slovak
9.01398358 Polish_Lower_Silesia
9.05672126 Hungarian_North
9.10003297 Russian_Southwest
9.30173640 Polish_Silesia
9.39946275 Polish_Kielce
9.39946275 Polish_Kielce
9.51963235 Polish_Mazovia
9.57363045 Croat_North
9.60323383 Croat
9.63891073 Polish_Mazovia
9.64635164 Polish_Staropolska
9.71774151 Polish_Lesser_Poland
9.93564794 Bosniak
Ion Basescul
12-29-2021, 12:15 PM
From Neamt county
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Neamt_in_Romania.svg/250px-Neamt_in_Romania.svg.png
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
26.14
25.73
16.95
11.97
14.22
2.87
0.44
0.28
0
0.62
0.78
0
0
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Distance to: Neamt
4.28468202 Romanian_Crișana
4.34352391 Romanian_Transylvania
4.47263904 Romanian_Maramureș
4.50714988 Romanian_South-Moldavia
4.54415009 Romanian_Banat
4.60918648 Romanian
4.63085305 Montenegrin
4.79709287 Serb_Montenegro
4.99448696 Serb_West
5.01052891 Serb_Vojvodina
5.13419906 Serb_Herzegovina
5.25928702 Serb_South
5.26019962 Serb
5.37688572 Romanian_Oltenia
5.41921581 Bosniak_Sandak
5.75596213 Serb_Croatia
5.90943314 Serb_Central
5.92336897 Moldovan_South
5.95499790 Romanian_Wallachia
6.00562237 Bulgarian_Southwestern
6.12951058 Romanian_Muntenia
6.16708197 Romanian_Dobruja
6.39514660 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
6.50535164 Romanian_North-Moldavia
6.66106598 Serb_Republika_Srpska
Ion Basescul
12-29-2021, 12:22 PM
From Botosani county
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Botosani_in_Romania.svg/250px-Botosani_in_Romania.svg.png
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Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
25.42
34.40
15.24
7.94
11.32
1.43
0
2.37
0
1.21
0
0.66
0
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Distance to: Botosani
3.01789662 Bosniak
3.38257299 Croat_East
3.73605407 Moldovan_North
3.90008974 Croat
4.38912292 Croat_South
4.93915985 Hungarian_Alföld
5.08642310 Lemko_Poland
5.21345375 Croat_West
5.32466900 Serb_Republika_Srpska
5.47131611 Ukrainian_Carpathians
5.48545349 Croat_North
5.48952639 Romanian_North-Moldavia
5.82633676 Moldovan_Central
5.90333804 Moldovan
6.09952457 Hungarian
6.34599874 Csángó-Ceangău
6.38963223 Hungarian_North
6.59748437 Serb_Croatia
6.89360573 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.96134326 Slovenian
7.02435762 Romanian_Maramureș
7.09224929 Serb_West
7.27332111 Serb
7.38051489 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.64962091 Serb_Central
Nausevar
12-29-2021, 04:43 PM
Neamt county is very close to me.
Exactly the same baltic score, very similar NA and East_Med. Relatively high Red_Sea too. If it had higher (+3) West_Med and lower (-3) Western_Asian it would be exactly like me.
Ion Basescul
12-30-2021, 07:53 PM
From Bacau
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Bacau_in_Romania.svg/250px-Bacau_in_Romania.svg.png
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Baltic
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East_Med
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South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
26.68
25.43
15.29
9.22
15.87
4.55
0
1.39
0.67
0.90
0
0
0
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Distance to: Bacau
4.50632888 Romanian_South-Moldavia
4.59974999 Romanian_Crișana
4.68183725 Romanian_Transylvania
4.83790244 Romanian_Maramureș
4.95655122 Romanian
5.01650277 Romanian_Banat
5.13778162 Montenegrin
5.37852210 Serb_Montenegro
5.39599852 Serb_Vojvodina
5.45083480 Serb_Herzegovina
5.53710213 Serb_South
5.68397748 Serb_Central
5.87143083 Romanian_Oltenia
5.87766110 Serb
5.88857368 Serb_West
6.06360454 Serb_Croatia
6.07902130 Bosniak_Sandak
6.11603630 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
6.30606058 Romanian_Wallachia
6.39305091 Moldovan_South
6.43540985 Romanian_Muntenia
6.48630095 Romanian_Dobruja
6.55561591 Bulgarian_Southwestern
6.67633882 Bulgarian_Northwestern
6.71532576 Romanian_North-Moldavia
Ion Basescul
12-30-2021, 08:16 PM
From Galati
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Galati_in_Romania.svg/250px-Galati_in_Romania.svg.png
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Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
22.92
26.14
20.77
10.81
15.08
1.52
0.16
1.04
0.80
0.77
0
0
0
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Distance to: Galati
3.74523698 Serb_Montenegro
3.79034299 Montenegrin
4.10903882 Bosniak_Sandak
4.29506694 Romanian_Oltenia
4.31056841 Romanian_Banat
4.32854479 Romanian_Transylvania
4.46654229 Moldovan_South
4.48558803 Romanian
4.74247826 Serb_Herzegovina
4.81380307 Romanian_South-Moldavia
4.88573434 Romanian_Dobruja
5.00126984 Romanian_Wallachia
5.10901165 Romanian_Crișana
5.21332907 Serb_South
5.21399079 Serb_Vojvodina
5.24082055 Bulgarian_Southwestern
5.27768889 Romanian_Muntenia
5.32321332 Bulgarian_Northwestern
5.58524843 Serb
5.65637693 Serb_West
5.98528195 Bulgarian
6.28481503 Serb_Central
6.52180956 Romanian_Maramureș
6.52197823 Bulgarian_Northcentral
6.59113040 Serb_Croatia
Ion Basescul
12-30-2021, 09:05 PM
From Soroca (1/2) and Ungheni (1/2) counties
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East_Med
Red_Sea
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East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
21.47
30.26
19.51
6.48
14.94
1.78
1.00
1.63
1.33
0.48
0.78
0.33
0
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Distance to: 1/2Pitusca_1/2OchiulAlb
5.21383736 Serb_Herzegovina
5.22061299 Serb
5.34161960 Serb_Vojvodina
5.41138614 Serb_Central
5.58165746 Serb_Republika_Srpska
5.64958406 Moldovan
5.65793248 Serb_Croatia
5.68969243 Serb_West
5.73654949 Serb_South
5.98914017 Moldovan_Central
6.09488310 Moldovan_South
6.26360120 Romanian_North-Moldavia
6.41667359 Montenegrin
6.55316717 Romanian_Crișana
6.57152189 Romanian_South-Moldavia
6.62795594 Romanian_Maramureș
6.74792561 Romanian_Transylvania
6.90337599 Croat_South
6.94707852 Romanian
7.31315253 Bulgarian_Northwestern
7.33483469 Serb_Montenegro
7.34306476 Romanian_Banat
7.89568236 Romanian_Oltenia
7.96280729 Moldovan_North
7.96927851 Romanian_Dobruja
Aspirin
12-30-2021, 09:12 PM
Ochiul Alb
Plenty of Gypsies here.
Ion Basescul
12-30-2021, 09:19 PM
Plenty of Gypsies here.
Could be, Arapu surname in the village confirms that, in which case this dude managed to not come from a mixed lineage. But there also seem to be influences from Suceava-Botosani (Ababii/Ababei) and Russian-Ukrainian (Iacovlev, Zubenco, Lisnic) there. The other village in Calarasi district is recorded by Zamfir as Romanian, Ukrainian, Rusyn mix. But then again, his particular admixture doesn't reflect strongly on having any kind of recent foreign influences.
Aspirin
12-30-2021, 09:32 PM
But then again, his particular admixture doesn't reflect strongly on having any kind of recent foreign influences.
I didn't say what he have some foreign influence, because by results is not visible, I just pointed at the place of his origin from Drochia, since in this area live a visible Gypsy population like in neighboring Nicoreni, Gribova, Chetrosu, Sofia villages.
Aspirin, why won't you confirm or disprove the rumors that you have been tested? Many people are wondering.
Aspirin
12-30-2021, 09:38 PM
Aspirin, why won't you confirm or disprove the rumors that you have been tested? Many people are wondering.
I didn't tested myself yet
Ion Basescul
12-30-2021, 09:42 PM
I didn't say what he have some foreign influence, because by results is not visible, I just pointed at the place of his origin from Drochia, since in this area live a visible Gypsy population like in neighboring Nicoreni, Gribova, Chetrosu, Sofia villages.
I know, and I didn't mean it like that. We have yDNA academic samples from Sofia btw and they didn't find anyone with haplogroup H, which is typical of Roma people.
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Drochia (Sofia)
Drochia (Sofia)
R1b
9
17%
R1a
12
22%
I2
15
28%
J2
2
4%
E1b1b
7
13%
J1
1
2%
G2a
1
2%
I1
4
7%
N1c
1
2%
T
1
2%
G1
0
0%
Q1
1
2%
E (other)
0
0%
Other
0
0%
Total
54
54
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I didn't tested myself yet
Okay, I'll take your word for it. Some people just don't like their results and decide not to share them.
Aspirin
12-30-2021, 09:50 PM
I know, and I didn't mean it like that. We have yDNA academic samples from Sofia btw and they didn't find anyone with haplogroup H, which is typical of Roma people.
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Haplogroup
Drochia (Sofia)
Drochia (Sofia)
R1b
9
17%
R1a
12
22%
I2
15
28%
J2
2
4%
E1b1b
7
13%
J1
1
2%
G2a
1
2%
I1
4
7%
N1c
1
2%
T
1
2%
G1
0
0%
Q1
1
2%
E (other)
0
0%
Other
0
0%
Total
54
54
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To be Gypsy admixed is not necessary to have H haplo, only an autosomal genetic test will give the answer.
Okay, I'll take your word for it. Some people just don't like their results and decide not to share them.
Lol, if I will test myself, first I will post my results here (and on Balto-Slavica), but after that I will probably will leave forever this forum, since I already not very active here.
Lol, if I will test myself, first I will post my results here (and on Balto-Slavica), but after that I will probably will leave forever this forum, since I already not very active here.
You would score like an African American, dawg :cool:
Aspirin
12-30-2021, 10:10 PM
You would score like an African American, dawg :cool:
https://i.imgur.com/TFwS7nK.jpg
Ion Basescul
12-31-2021, 03:36 PM
Praise be Jesus, my grandparents' kits finally arrived in the US today, after more than one month of being held at Sheremetyevo airport in Moscow.
https://i.ibb.co/ck0vQ43/image.png
Ion Basescul
01-03-2022, 11:37 AM
From Botosani county
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Botosani_in_Romania.svg/250px-Botosani_in_Romania.svg.png
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Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
25.42
34.40
15.24
7.94
11.32
1.43
0
2.37
0
1.21
0
0.66
0
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Distance to: Botosani
3.01789662 Bosniak
3.38257299 Croat_East
3.73605407 Moldovan_North
3.90008974 Croat
4.38912292 Croat_South
4.93915985 Hungarian_Alföld
5.08642310 Lemko_Poland
5.21345375 Croat_West
5.32466900 Serb_Republika_Srpska
5.47131611 Ukrainian_Carpathians
5.48545349 Croat_North
5.48952639 Romanian_North-Moldavia
5.82633676 Moldovan_Central
5.90333804 Moldovan
6.09952457 Hungarian
6.34599874 Csángó-Ceangău
6.38963223 Hungarian_North
6.59748437 Serb_Croatia
6.89360573 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.96134326 Slovenian
7.02435762 Romanian_Maramureș
7.09224929 Serb_West
7.27332111 Serb
7.38051489 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
7.64962091 Serb_Central
This person's parent
From Botosani
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Botosani_in_Romania.svg/250px-Botosani_in_Romania.svg.png
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
30.18
26.60
14.29
8.53
12.12
2.08
1.55
0.15
2.24
0.81
1.45
0
0
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Distance to: 3/4Suhărău_1/4Ibănești
3.27885651 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.47754397 Csángó-Ceangău
6.01989203 Romanian_Maramureș
6.09570340 Croat_West
6.65270622 Hungarian
6.80515246 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.04955318 Hungarian_Alföld
7.15111879 Serb_West
7.24137418 Croat_South
7.34351415 Croat
7.35091831 Romanian_North-Moldavia
7.57637776 Romanian_Crișana
7.57748639 Serb_Croatia
7.73726696 German_Bavarian_Swabia
7.90370166 Serb
7.98755282 Serb_Vojvodina
8.02878571 Serb_Republika_Srpska
8.14474063 Serb_Central
8.49228473 Croat_North
8.54641445 Romanian_South-Moldavia
8.59442261 Moldovan_Central
8.63849524 Romanian_Transylvania
8.71523953 Serb_Herzegovina
8.88494795 Moldovan
8.90450448 Slovenian
Ion Basescul
01-03-2022, 11:39 AM
From Vaslui
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Vaslui_in_Romania.svg/250px-Vaslui_in_Romania.svg.png
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
26.96
27.99
15.52
13.11
12.96
0.78
0.64
0.54
1.51
0
0
0
0
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Distance to: Puiești
4.60056518 Romanian_Maramureș
5.17366408 Serb_West
5.19566165 Csángó-Ceangău
5.34185361 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.62157451 Romanian_North-Moldavia
5.71716713 Romanian_Crișana
5.72866477 Serb
5.84275620 Serb_Croatia
5.96566006 Serb_Republika_Srpska
5.98961601 Serb_Vojvodina
6.19891926 Moldovan_Central
6.31650220 Croat_South
6.33722337 Moldovan
6.45282109 Romanian_South-Moldavia
6.48301627 Romanian_Transylvania
6.58411725 Serb_South
6.58462603 Serb_Central
6.61953926 Serb_Herzegovina
6.73819709 Romanian
6.81435250 Romanian_Banat
6.92698347 Croat_West
7.04992908 Montenegrin
7.59190358 Serb_Montenegro
7.70760015 Croat
7.72455177 Moldovan_North
Aspirin
01-03-2022, 04:30 PM
This person's parent
From Botosani
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Botosani_in_Romania.svg/250px-Botosani_in_Romania.svg.png
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
30.18
26.60
14.29
8.53
12.12
2.08
1.55
0.15
2.24
0.81
1.45
0
0
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Distance to: 3/4Suhărău_1/4Ibănești
3.27885651 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.47754397 Csángó-Ceangău
6.01989203 Romanian_Maramureș
6.09570340 Croat_West
6.65270622 Hungarian
6.80515246 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.04955318 Hungarian_Alföld
7.15111879 Serb_West
7.24137418 Croat_South
7.34351415 Croat
7.35091831 Romanian_North-Moldavia
7.57637776 Romanian_Crișana
7.57748639 Serb_Croatia
7.73726696 German_Bavarian_Swabia
7.90370166 Serb
7.98755282 Serb_Vojvodina
8.02878571 Serb_Republika_Srpska
8.14474063 Serb_Central
8.49228473 Croat_North
8.54641445 Romanian_South-Moldavia
8.59442261 Moldovan_Central
8.63849524 Romanian_Transylvania
8.71523953 Serb_Herzegovina
8.88494795 Moldovan
8.90450448 Slovenian
pseudo-Hungarian
Ion Basescul
01-03-2022, 05:53 PM
pseudo-Hungarian
It's the effect of relatively close ratio between North Atlantic and Baltic and low 10s East Med. The same can be seen in my results and those of many others from this region. On the other end of the spectrum are people who receive lower 20s or below 20s North Atlantic, but compensate with higher 30s Baltic. My mom's and brother's results are like that.
Distance to: IonBasescul
2.93703933 Csángó-Ceangău
2.98968226 Romanian_North-Moldavia
3.19231891 Romanian_Maramureș
3.50794812 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
3.70978436 Moldovan_Central
3.85185670 Serb_Republika_Srpska
3.92462737 Moldovan
3.95326447 Serb_West
4.05120970 Croat_South
4.19824964 Serb_Croatia
4.34673441 Serb
4.85520339 Serb_Vojvodina
4.95957659 Serb_Central
5.02414172 Croat_West
5.20153823 Moldovan_North
5.31538334 Romanian_Crișana
5.56564462 Croat
5.62585105 Serb_Herzegovina
5.77230457 Serb_South
5.97866206 Romanian_South-Moldavia
6.10317131 Croat_East
6.31011886 Romanian_Transylvania
6.38485709 Hungarian_Alföld
6.40910290 Bosniak
6.64887960 Romanian
6.87694700 Montenegrin
6.97603756 Romanian_Banat
7.03396759 Hungarian
7.23805913 Moldovan_South
7.75589453 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
Ion Basescul
01-04-2022, 06:21 PM
Praise be Jesus, my grandparents' kits finally arrived in the US today, after more than one month of being held at Sheremetyevo airport in Moscow.
https://i.ibb.co/ck0vQ43/image.png
Family Tree has just confirmed having received them.
https://i.imgur.com/zFVixF8.png
https://i.imgur.com/4jjbbC0.png
https://i.imgur.com/1ztT9gR.png
Ion Basescul
01-13-2022, 12:00 PM
Family Tree has just confirmed having received them.
https://i.imgur.com/zFVixF8.png
https://i.imgur.com/4jjbbC0.png
https://i.imgur.com/1ztT9gR.png
My grandpa's raw data is ready, while the ethnicity estimate/matches are still pending. My grandma's isn't ready yet. I'll post once I receive both completely.
Alexandro
01-13-2022, 12:17 PM
Cool!
Ion Basescul
01-23-2022, 09:53 PM
From Ungheni county
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Ungheni_judetul.svg/250px-Ungheni_judetul.svg.png
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
24.41
30.56
12.45
12.75
12.97
2.75
0.54
0.24
0
2.28
1.05
0
0
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Distance to: Balanesti
5.28682324 Moldovan_Central
5.43312065 Romanian_North-Moldavia
5.46877500 Moldovan
5.58809449 Moldovan_North
5.78691628 Bosniak
6.22016881 Romanian_Maramureş
6.22658815 Croat_Dalmatia
6.33291402 Serb_Republika_Srpska
6.47923607 Croat_Herzegovina
6.61239745 Bosniak_Krajina_East
6.74414561 Serb_Croatia
6.79027982 Croat_Bosnia
6.87053127 Bosniak_Krajina_West
6.88366908 Serb
6.91519342 Bosniak_Southeast
7.00742463 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
7.05781128 Serb_West
7.07502650 Csángó-Ceangău
7.18084953 Croat_Kvarner
7.34564497 Serb_South
7.38555347 Serb_Vojvodina
7.39499831 Croat_Lika
7.39720217 Croat_Istria
7.40929146 Serb_Central
7.59447826 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
Ion Basescul
01-23-2022, 09:54 PM
From Ungheni county
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Ungheni_judetul.svg/250px-Ungheni_judetul.svg.png
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
25.91
29.65
15.36
10.26
15.63
0
1.19
1.61
0
0.37
0
0
0
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Distance to: Grozesti
2.87998264 Romanian_Maramureş
3.02329291 Serb_Croatia
3.31486048 Serb_West
3.31657956 Serb
3.32625916 Bosniak_Krajina_West
3.38983775 Serb_Vojvodina
3.44392218 Romanian_North-Moldavia
3.60464977 Bosniak_Southeast
3.62140857 Serb_Central
3.62143618 Serb_Republika_Srpska
3.78559110 Romanian_Crişana
4.08798239 Croat_Dalmatia
4.16505702 Moldovan
4.17716411 Moldovan_Central
4.25794551 Serb_South
4.33294357 Bosniak
4.34545740 Serb_Herzegovina
4.38912292 Croat_Istria
4.49978888 Croat_Herzegovina
4.54986813 Croat_Bosnia
4.84367629 Romanian_South-Moldavia
5.10887463 Romanian_Transylvania
5.19104036 Croat_Slavonia
5.25803195 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.36320800 Romanian
Ion Basescul
01-23-2022, 09:59 PM
4/8 Ungheni county (129cM relative of person from previous post), 2/8 Transnistrian Moldovan/Romanian (Slobozia town), 1/8 Transnistrian Ukrainian (Slobozia town), 1/8 Transnistrian Russian (Slobozia town)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Ungheni_judetul.svg/250px-Ungheni_judetul.svg.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Naddniestrze-Slobozia.png/250px-Naddniestrze-Slobozia.png
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N_Atlantic
Baltic
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
East_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
NE_African
Sub-Saharan
27.27
29.73
13.28
8.74
13.39
2.24
1.26
1.16
1.09
0.92
0.55
0
0.36
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Distance to: Grozesti_Slobozia
2.98924740 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
3.49535406 Bosniak_Krajina_West
3.53721642 Romanian_North-Moldavia
3.57026610 Romanian_Maramureş
3.62732684 Csángó-Ceangău
3.72033601 Croat_Kvarner
3.78255205 Croat_Dalmatia
3.81139082 Croat_Istria
3.98780641 Croat_Bosnia
4.17239739 Croat_Lika
4.41641257 Bosniak
4.59702077 Croat
4.64697751 Serb_Croatia
4.70935240 Moldovan_Central
4.71931139 Serb_Republika_Srpska
4.98301114 Serb_West
5.00433812 Croat_Herzegovina
5.02637046 Croat_Slavonia
5.02853856 Moldovan
5.07168611 Bosniak_Southeast
5.28690836 Serb
5.33551310 Hungarian_Alföld
5.41140462 Serb_Central
5.56009892 Moldovan_North
5.64645907 Serb_Vojvodina
Catnip
02-14-2022, 01:01 AM
Hi! Do Romanians/Moldovans have Hellenic contribution, or is the preslavic part of countries mostly related to Dacians/Romans from the region?
I've seen some do score Greece on My Heritage,but I know that it can be also just adaptation,I don't know how to interpret it.
When some people are having dominant West Asian+East Med components on K13,what is the source population? Or is it from the natives as well?
Ion Basescul
02-14-2022, 08:37 AM
Hi! Do Romanians/Moldovans have Hellenic contribution, or is the preslavic part of countries mostly related to Dacians/Romans from the region?
I've seen some do score Greece on My Heritage,but I know that it can be also just adaptation,I don't know how to interpret it.
When some people are having dominant West Asian+East Med components on K13,what is the source population? Or is it from the natives as well?
Hi, the pre-Slavic part is different from that of Greeks, but in Romania there are people with genuine more recent Greek ancestry. In Moldova that's rare and limited to the village of Alexandru Ioan Cuza (old Hadji Abdula), which was settled in 1809 by 27 families of Greeks and 118 of Romanians.
In addition to this, the surname "Grecu", meaning Greek, is the 60th most popular in Moldova. But it is unclear if it is tied to real medieval Greek settlers or people of any ethnicity who returned from Greek lands and received this nickname.
Ajeje Brazorf
02-16-2022, 11:47 PM
This is an average of scy192, scy197, scy300, scy305 and MJ12 samples. How accurate is it to represent the Dacians of Roman times?
Moldova_IA,0.1233842,0.136487,0.0193838,-0.020349,0.018834,-0.0091476,0.0034782,-0.0041074,0.00135,0.0303242,0.0014292,0.0041362,-0.0089792,-0.0019818,-0.0116176,-0.0026782,0.006806,0.002559,0.010609,-0.0031264,-0.0097828,0.006974,-0.0009368,0.0023136,0.0011256
https://i.imgur.com/EINoMFW.png
Ion Basescul
02-17-2022, 07:51 AM
This is an average of scy192, scy197, scy300, scy305 and MJ12 samples. How accurate is it to represent the Dacians of Roman times?
Moldova_IA,0.1233842,0.136487,0.0193838,-0.020349,0.018834,-0.0091476,0.0034782,-0.0041074,0.00135,0.0303242,0.0014292,0.0041362,-0.0089792,-0.0019818,-0.0116176,-0.0026782,0.006806,0.002559,0.010609,-0.0031264,-0.0097828,0.006974,-0.0009368,0.0023136,0.0011256
https://i.imgur.com/EINoMFW.png
No idea, because there aren't any Dacian samples yet afaik. Maybe some of the Hungarian "Scythians" are related to them.
But these from Moldova seem to be consistent with Thracians.
Vega7
02-19-2022, 08:54 PM
Hey so I posted in this thread a few months back and said that I was going to post my sister's results. My background is 5/8 (62.5%) Ukrainian and 3/8 (37.5%) Romanian from what used to be Northern Bukovina (now Chernivtsi), Ukraine.
I got her results a while ago, but kind of forgot about it. Did a lot more research recently and managed to compare it to various reference populations using Vahaduo K13.
Here are the results:
24.23,37.67,14.3,6.77,10.93,2.01,0.58,0,2.27,0.48, 0,0,0.74
I tried to compare her results to various reference population combinations that I considered equivalent or 'equidistant' from where my family is from.
Distance: 2.41%
57.7% Ukrainian
42.3% Romanian
Distance: 2.55%
59.9% Ukrainian Northwest
40.1% Romanian Muntenia
Distance: 2.44%
60.6% Ukrainian North
39.% Romanian Wallachia
Distance: 3.58%
67.6% Ukrainian Galicia
32.4% Romanian Moldavia Average
Distance: 3.39%
63.1% Ukrainian Lviv (from page 1 of this thread)
36.9% Romanian Moldavia South
These findings are all very consistent with my ancestry. The only one that yielded a less expected result was:
Distance: 2.57%
84.1% Ukrainian Ivano-Frankivsk (from page 1 of this thread)
15.9% Romania Moldavia North
This last comparison is pretty close to what her 23andme results state, which is more or less 77% from Ivano-Frankivsk and 23% Romanian from Suceava.
My assumption is that, since all of my ancestors are from what is now Ukraine, many of them simply moved to Ivano-Frankivsk and made it more Romanian. Also, in the 1700s, many Ukrainians from Galicia moved to Chernivtsi. They would have mixed with the Romanians and, after WW1, any Ukrainian speakers (even ones who mixed with the native Romanians) were apparently exiled and would have moved to, for example Ivano-Frankivsk.
Ivano-Frankivsk itself was apparently also always Romanian influenced. There was the Pokottiua dialect of Ukrainian in Ivano-Frankivsk that was apparently influenced by Romanian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokuttia
"The local Ukrainians' language was influenced by Romanian, and the Pokuttia-Bukovina dialect was formed. It is distinct from other Ukrainian dialects because all of them are influenced by other Slavic languages, while the Pokuttia-Bukovyna dialect received influence from a Romance language (Romanian)."
Vega7
02-19-2022, 08:56 PM
Hey, so I posted in this thread a few months back and said that I was going to post my sister's results. My background is 5/8 (62.5%) Ukrainian and 3/8 (37.5%) Romanian from what used to be Northern Bukovina (now Chernivtsi), Ukraine.
I got her results a while ago, but kind of forgot about it. Did a lot more research recently and managed to compare it to various reference populations using Vahaduo K13.
Here are the results:
24.23,37.67,14.3,6.77,10.93,2.01,0.58,0,2.27,0.48, 0,0,0.74
I tried to compare her results to various reference population combinations that I considered equivalent or 'equidistant' from where my family is from.
Distance: 2.41%
57.7% Ukrainian
42.3% Romanian
Distance: 2.55%
59.9% Ukrainian Northwest
40.1% Romanian Muntenia
Distance: 2.44%
60.6% Ukrainian North
39.% Romanian Wallachia
Distance: 3.58%
67.6% Ukrainian Galicia
32.4% Romanian Moldavia Average
Distance: 3.39%
63.1% Ukrainian Lviv (from page 1 of this thread)
36.9% Romanian Moldavia South
These findings are all very consistent with my ancestry. The only one that yielded a less expected result was:
Distance: 2.57%
84.1% Ukrainian Ivano-Frankivsk (from page 1 of this thread)
15.9% Romania Moldavia North
This last comparison is pretty close to what her 23andme results state, which is more or less 77% Ukrainian from Ivano-Frankivsk and 23% Romanian from Suceava.
My assumption is that, since all of my ancestors are from what is now Ukraine, many of them (including ethnic Romanians) simply moved to Ivano-Frankivsk and made it more Romanian. Also, in the 1700s, many Ukrainians from Galicia moved to Chernivtsi. They would have mixed with the Romanians and, after WW1, any Ukrainian speakers (even ones who mixed with the native Romanians) were apparently exiled and would have moved to, for example, Ivano-Frankivsk.
Ivano-Frankivsk itself was apparently also always Romanian influenced. There was the Pokuttia dialect of Ukrainian in Ivano-Frankivsk that was apparently influenced by Romanian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokuttia
"The local Ukrainians' language was influenced by Romanian, and the Pokuttia-Bukovina dialect was formed. It is distinct from other Ukrainian dialects because all of them are influenced by other Slavic languages, while the Pokuttia-Bukovyna dialect received influence from a Romance language (Romanian)."
Ion Basescul
02-19-2022, 09:19 PM
Hey so I posted in this thread a few months back and said that I was going to post my sister's results. My background is 5/8 (62.5%) Ukrainian and 3/8 (37.5%) Romanian from what used to be Northern Bukovina (now Chernivtsi), Ukraine.
I got her results a while ago, but kind of forgot about it. Did a lot more research recently and managed to compare it to various reference populations using Vahaduo K13.
Here are the results:
24.23,37.67,14.3,6.77,10.93,2.01,0.58,0,2.27,0.48, 0,0,0.74
Cool results and very similar to my grandma's who is from an ethnic Ukrainian village in Moldova situated only 6km away from Chernivtsi oblast.
Bunica,24.71,38.15,11.21,7.63,12.21,0.31,2.15,0.89 ,1.72,0.59,0.43,0,0
Nowadays half of her village self-identifies as Moldovan/Romanian, so it would be curious if she has some assimilated Moldovan/Romanian ancestry that we were not aware of. We do know her grandparents, but only 2 out of her 8 great-grandparents. One of her grandmas has a Moldovan/Romanian sounding surname, Trestian, but since she was Ukrainian, to me that just points to ancestry towards the nearby village of Trestieni, which at that point was fully Ukrainian (now majority).
Ethnic situation at 1907 census
https://i.imgur.com/rIWB3jh.png
https://i.imgur.com/a6VnChV.png
Vega7
02-19-2022, 09:52 PM
Cool results and very similar to my grandma's who is from an ethnic Ukrainian village in Moldova situated only 6km away from Chernivtsi oblast.
Bunica,24.71,38.15,11.21,7.63,12.21,0.31,2.15,0.89 ,1.72,0.59,0.43,0,0
Nowadays half of her village self-identifies as Moldovan/Romanian, so it would be curious if she has some assimilated Moldovan/Romanian ancestry that we were not aware of. We do know her grandparents, but only 2 out of her 8 great-grandparents. One of her grandmas has a Moldovan/Romanian sounding surname, Trestian, but since she was Ukrainian, to me that just points to ancestry towards the nearby village of Trestieni, which at that point was fully Ukrainian (now majority).
Ethnic situation at 1907 census
https://i.imgur.com/rIWB3jh.png
https://i.imgur.com/a6VnChV.png
Yeah I have been trying to trace my ancestry as far back as possible. I have traced all 16 of my great-great grandparents and 22/32 of my great-great-great grandparents. There are some Romanians with Ukrainian surnames, but also some Ukrainians with Romanian surnames.
I signed up for a free trial to ancestry.ca and have managed to trace at least 2 generations back to Northern Bukovina for every side of my family.
There isn't a single name ending with -escu though. There are names that end with -u, or, as is the case with your username, -ul, and various other obviously Romanian names. It seems that Bukovina perhaps never underwent the surname reform that Wallachia and Moldavia underwent in the mid-1800s (taking your dad's name and adding -escu). At least not prior to when my family came to Canada between 1900-1910. It's pretty surprising that every single person traces back to northern Bukovina. My mom and dad are both from villages that were settled by people form that region, which is just coincidence.
With regard to my own Romanian ancestors, they were from villages that were apparently ~75% ethnic Romanian and the rest Ukrainian. The Ukrainians were from villages that were either entirely Ukrainian or ~75% Ukrainian and the rest Romanian.
That entire region south of the Dniestr and Northeast of the Carpathians seems to have both East-Slavic and Romanian heritage going back 1500+ years. I've seen some youtube videos about the Chernivtsi region and, inevitably, the youtube comments are full of Ukrainians and Romanians bickering about who the region belongs to. In reality it's both.
I guess Ukraine is currently going through a process of Ukrainianization and is forbidding Romanian (or Russian or any other minority language) from being the language of instruction in schools. So we might see the Romanian minority in that region die out as they, in the future, will just know Ukrainian and identify as such.
Romanian grandmothers in my family were called "buna," which is pretty close to your "bunica."
Ion Basescul
02-19-2022, 10:11 PM
Yeah I have been trying to trace my ancestry as far back as possible. I have traced all 16 of my great-great grandparents and 22/32 of my great-great-great grandparents. There are some Romanians with Ukrainian surnames, but also some Ukrainians with Romanian surnames.
I signed up for a free trial to ancestry.ca and have managed to trace at least 2 generations back to Northern Bukovina for every side of my family.
There isn't a single name ending with -escu though. There are names that end with -u, or, as is the case with your username, -ul, and various other obviously Romanian names. It seems that Bukovina perhaps never underwent the surname reform that Wallachia and Moldavia underwent in the mid-1800s (taking your dad's name and adding -escu). At least not prior to when my family came to Canada between 1900-1910. It's pretty surprising that every single person traces back to northern Bukovina. My mom and dad are both from villages that were settled by people form that region, which is just coincidence.
With regard to my own Romanian ancestors, they were from villages that were apparently ~75% ethnic Romanian and the rest Ukrainian. The Ukrainians were from villages that were either entirely Ukrainian or ~75% Ukrainian and the rest Romanian.
That entire region south of the Dniestr and Northeast of the Carpathians seems to have both East-Slavic and Romanian heritage going back 1500+ years. I've seen some youtube videos about the Chernivtsi region and, inevitably, the youtube comments are full of Ukrainians and Romanians bickering about who the region belongs to. In reality it's both.
I guess Ukraine is currently going through a process of Ukrainianization and is forbidding Romanian (or Russian or any other minority language) from being the language of instruction in schools. So we might see the Romanian minority in that region die out as they, in the future, will just know Ukrainian and identify as such.
Romanian grandmothers in my family were called "buna," which is pretty close to your "bunica."
Ancestry is good for their raw data and ethnicity estimate, but absolute shite for researching lineages. And that's because only a small fraction of people from this part of Europe use it. MyHeritage is the most comprehensive database. I found real relatives through it. If you have the opportunity, I suggest uploading the data there and working through the matches.
"-escu" is a rare surname ending in Romania, despite the stereotypes found in Western media. And it peaks towards Bucharest.
Scroll to the bottom for most popular surnames: https://forebears.io/romania
Vega7
02-19-2022, 10:13 PM
What I mean by what I said is I used ancestry.ca to research family trees, which go surprisingly far back. I managed to trace some relatives back to the 1700s. But I will look into that, thanks.
Ion Basescul
02-19-2022, 10:35 PM
What I mean by what I said is I used ancestry.ca to research family trees, which go surprisingly far back. I managed to trace some relatives back to the 1700s. But I will look into that, thanks.
Same applies to MyHeritage, and in fact a larger proportion of my relevant matches on MyHeritage have trees.
Marsa
02-19-2022, 10:48 PM
Hi, the pre-Slavic part is different from that of Greeks, but in Romania there are people with genuine more recent Greek ancestry. In Moldova that's rare and limited to the village of Alexandru Ioan Cuza (old Hadji Abdula), which was settled in 1809 by 27 families of Greeks and 118 of Romanians.
In addition to this, the surname "Grecu", meaning Greek, is the 60th most popular in Moldova. But it is unclear if it is tied to real medieval Greek settlers or people of any ethnicity who returned from Greek lands and received this nickname.
I didn't know that there have been many recent Greek settlers. Is this kind of ancestry more common in some specific region/microregion, or just random?
Ion Basescul
02-19-2022, 10:57 PM
I didn't know that there have been many recent Greek settlers. Is this kind of ancestry more common in some specific region/microregion, or just random?
Usually it was found in Wallachian towns and especially Bucharest, but sporadically it was more prominent around Buzau area. Nowadays, it is mostly concentrated in Constanta and almost completely assimilated in Bucharest. There is one village Izvoarele that is 44% Greek nowadays. 150 years ago it was fully Greek.
https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comuna_Izvoarele,_Tulcea
Marsa
02-19-2022, 11:19 PM
Usually it was found in Wallachian towns and especially Bucharest, but sporadically it was more prominent around Buzau area. Nowadays, it is mostly concentrated in Constanta and almost completely assimilated in Bucharest. There is one village Izvoarele that is 44% Greek nowadays. 150 years ago it was fully Greek.
https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comuna_Izvoarele,_Tulcea
Wow, I really had no idea. I would bet on the coastal part, but this Buzau is more hinterland, at least it seems to be on the map. Interesting. Is this also why Wallachians can plot more southern?
Nurzat
02-19-2022, 11:52 PM
Usually it was found in Wallachian towns and especially Bucharest, but sporadically it was more prominent around Buzau area. Nowadays, it is mostly concentrated in Constanta and almost completely assimilated in Bucharest. There is one village Izvoarele that is 44% Greek nowadays. 150 years ago it was fully Greek.
https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comuna_Izvoarele,_Tulcea
should also mention almost each village had a Greek landlord from 18th to mid 20th century in Wallachia and Moldova (at least West of Prut). Greeks ran the administrative affairs in place of our Ottoman masters. they took public office and religious higher ranks as well. a lot of Greek genes should have entered local pool back then, we know boyars were fcking village girls
Ion Basescul
02-20-2022, 12:22 PM
Wow, I really had no idea. I would bet on the coastal part, but this Buzau is more hinterland, at least it seems to be on the map. Interesting. Is this also why Wallachians can plot more southern?
Sorry, I always confuse the two. I meant Braila and not Buzau. It was the most important port in Wallachia from where trade with the Ottomans and the rest of the world was carried by sea. Greeks usually came through there here, and many chose to settle in that region. Dobrogea region at that point was not controlled by neither Wallachia nor Moldavia, so this was the coastal part.
Nurzat
09-04-2024, 05:30 PM
any thoughts?
Eurogenes K13
1) my maternal grandma, northwest Vaslui county, central Moldova region, Romania:
Baltic 32.6
North_Atlantic 20.1
East_Med 17.44
West_Med 17.25
West_Asian 9.69
South_Asian 1.11
East_Asian 1.04
Oceanian 0.45
Amerindian 0.2
Siberian 0.12
2) my dad, northwest Suceava county, Bucovina subregion, northwest Moldova region, Romania:
Baltic 34.47
North_Atlantic 23.54
East_Med 14.57
West_Med 12.6
West_Asian 9.47
Siberian 2.37
East_Asian 1.37
Red_Sea 0.77
Amerindian 0.52
South_Asian 0.31
3) myself:
Baltic 30.82
North_Atlantic 25.1
West_Med 16.37
West_Asian 11.64
East_Med 11.34
Siberian 1.3
South_Asian 1.23
East_Asian 1
Sub-Saharan 0.61
Amerindian 0.43
Red_Sea 0.1
Oceanian 0.03
4) friend, northeast Neamt county, westcentral Moldova region, Romania:
Baltic 27.16
North_Atlantic 21.37
East_Med 16.39
West_Med 14.7
West_Asian 13.67
Red_Sea 2.63
Siberian 1.96
East_Asian 1.68
5) friend, southeast Neamt county, Csángóföld subregion, Moldova region, Romania:
North_Atlantic 29.12
Baltic 28.03
West_Med 15.43
East_Med 10.47
West_Asian 8.63
Siberian 2.88
Red_Sea 2.26
East_Asian 1.22
Amerindian 0.91
Oceanian 0.73
Sub-Saharan 0.33
6) friend, father Botosani county, northern Moldova region, mother southern Iasi county, central Moldova region, Romania:
Baltic 33.55
North_Atlantic 22.52
West_Med 15.3
East_Med 13.39
West_Asian 9.67
Red_Sea 2.08
Siberian 1.78
7) friend, Botosani county, northern Moldova region, Romania:
Baltic 35.57
North_Atlantic 26.45
East_Med 13.66
West_Med 13.57
West_Asian 4.89
Siberian 2.65
Oceanian 1.05
South_Asian 0.89
Amerindian 0.82
East_Asian 0.44
where these counties are (Suceava, Botosani, Iasi, Vaslui, Neamt):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Romania_counties.png
AnthrogenicaRefugee
07-30-2025, 10:08 AM
v1 was getting too big, so I've decided to open a new iteration of this thread.
Hello everyone, I'm back. I'll take it slow though, because life is quite busy right now.
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