My SAPDA results - the ultimate answer?

[Chris596]

So, I did the SAPDA admixture test. I’ve been thinking about buying it for months. I read a lot of interesting things about it on eurasiandna.com .

I honestly got these results unexpectedly, but if that’s the truth and this method works well, then perhaps this may be the answer to my phenotype (appearance), among other things as well.

I still feel that I don't fully understand how Dilawer's method works and exactly how deep it goes into my DNA, but in any case I think I got interesting results. I have a hard time making comparisons because I know very few individuals who have shared their results, at least on this forum.

According to his method, SAPDA can tell someone's admixture by dividing alleles and mutations which are common in certain types of populations.

Can someone translate my results so I can understand them in a better way? Is this the ultimate way to tell someone's whole, real admixture?

My admixture
https://i.imgur.com/XsB3EuX.png

West Eurasian Genetic Drift
https://i.imgur.com/uJ1BiM0.png

Siberian/Amerindian Genetic Drift
https://i.imgur.com/A1CIJaM.png

East Eurasian Genetic Drift
https://i.imgur.com/t4MptU7.png

East African Genetic Drift
https://i.imgur.com/lnWIq17.png

West African Genetic Drift
https://i.imgur.com/EykhMsR.png

https://i.imgur.com/pkJPRCQ.png

https://i.imgur.com/vNjbkBn.png

https://i.imgur.com/V0o8aKi.png

Edit: I was also surprised there's no South Eurasian category, but as far as I know I don't have ancestry from there.

[Chris596]

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Is this a common result among ,,Europeans'' ?

[Lucas]

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Is this a common result among ,,Europeans'' ?

You should find my results on forum, posted some months ago.

[Zoro]

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Is this a common result among ,,Europeans'' ?

No idea if it’s common but i wouldn’t think on average C Europeans would score this much E Eurasian, maybe 1 to 2% more likely. Maybe you should ask Geneplaza or Dilawer. From the website my understanding is Deeper ancestral is older E Asian alleles and this leads me to believe tts more common among Europeans. It looks like you’ve picked up a little E Asian more recently through one of your ancestors Maybe on either your mom or dads side?

[Chris596]

You should find my results on forum, posted some months ago.

Oh yes I found it. Interesting we have almost the same amount of Siberian/East Asian deep ancestry in total. So what do you think about it? It did calculate my ancestral East Eurasian to be around 2% so it's correct I think.

[Luke35]

Very cool.

It's hard to know how to interpret your results without averages for various populations (to how they score on this particular calculator). If more members start doing this one, we can start comparing results. I'll check this company out.

[Zoro]

Oh yes I found it. Interesting we have almost the same amount of Siberian/East Asian deep ancestry in total. So what do you think about it? It did calculate my ancestral East Eurasian to be around 2% so it's correct I think.

So what’s your ancestral vs deep ancestral E Eurasian and Siberian admixture and single population

[Chris596]

No idea if it’s common but i wouldn’t think on average C Europeans would score this much E Eurasian, maybe 1 to 2% more likely. Maybe you should ask Geneplaza or Dilawer. From the website my understanding is Deeper ancestral is older E Asian alleles and this leads me to believe tts more common among Europeans. It looks like you’ve picked up a little E Asian more recently through one of your ancestors Maybe on either your mom or dads side?

Hmm I see. Well, my ancestry is a bit interesting. Both of my parents are Hungarians ethnically. The family from my dad's side is from Romania (Szekely Land) and from my mom's side it's from Hungary (Great Hungarian Plain). So I think most of it comes from my father, but Cuman/Kipchak ancestry is also possible from my mom, but it's unlikely I think. I also did FTDNA and there I got Northeast Asia <2% and Southeast Asia <1% as a result but no Siberian.

[Chris596]

So what’s your ancestral vs deep ancestral E Eurasian and Siberian admixture and single population

Well I can't access Geneplaza now for some reason (it won't load for me)

I'm not sure what you're trying to ask but SAPDA said my ancestral E Eurasian is around 2% and the Siberian is 2% too (I don't remember it exactly). I'll have to check it again tomorrow because it's not working now I have no idea why. On GEDmatch my average East Asian is between 1.6 - 2.1 % , sometimes more, sometimes a little less. On Eurogenes K13 the E Eurasian + the Siberian is around 3%.

[Voskos]

The reference for West Eurasia on this test are Iberians if I'm not mistaken.Still your East Eurasian is significant.:clap2:

[Zoro]

Well I can't access Geneplaza now for some reason (it won't load for me)

I'm not sure what you're trying to ask but SAPDA said my ancestral E Eurasian is around 2% and the Siberian is 2% too (I don't remember it exactly). I'll have to check it again tomorrow because it's not working now I have no idea why. On GEDmatch my average East Asian is between 1.6 - 2.1 % , sometimes more, sometimes a little less. On Eurogenes K13 the E Eurasian + the Siberian is around 3%.


I’m looking at your results above where you posted 5.7% E Eurasian and am looking at the barplots you posted for GSI and admixture. Can’t tell from the plot what those numbers are. Didn’t you get the numbers in your results?

The more recent admixture would show up under Ancestral. E Europeans and C Ruropeans generally are expected to svore Siberian especially under Deep Ancestral because that type of admixture is well established in their gene pools

[Chris596]

I’m looking at your results above where you posted 5.7% E Eurasian and am looking at the barplots you posted for GSI and admixture. Can’t tell from the plot what those numbers are. Didn’t you get the numbers in your results?

The more recent admixture would show up under Ancestral. E Europeans and C Ruropeans generally are expected to svore Siberian especially under Deep Ancestral because that type of admixture is well established in their gene pools

Alright, now I'm back. Hmm I don't know how to interpret these results:

Ancestral Admixture Proportions

-W_Eurasian 88.90%
-Siberian_Amerindian 5.70%
-E_Asian 5.40%

Deep Ancestral Admixture Proportions

-W_Eurasian 92.80%
-Siberian_Amerindian 3.20%
-E_Asian 3.05%
-E_African 0.60%
-W_African 0.40%

Shouldn't it be the opposite (except for the African ancestry) ? Basically this software is telling me that my real recent ancestry is more than 10% Siberian/East Asian? The Siberian and East Asian deep ancestry is actually less than the recent ancestry? Or I'm totally mistaken? How is this possible? But if it's real, then this can be an explanation for many things in my case. I would really appreciate your answer, or any answer that can help me to understand this.

[JamesBond007]

Very cool.

It's hard to know how to interpret your results without averages for various populations (to how they score on this particular calculator). If more members start doing this one, we can start comparing results. I'll check this company out.


It's like almost the opposite of Eurogenes k36 and far from G25. I imagine it's pretty pointless for a Western European to take this test. I bet I would be 97% to 100% West Eurasian ?! I' m not wasting my time with that.

[Voskos]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?308990-SAPDA-on-Geneplaza-new-ancestry-inference-software-developed-by-Dilawer-Khan/page2

[Chris596]

It's like almost the opposite of Eurogenes k36 and far from G25. I imagine it's pretty pointless for a Western European to take this test. I bet I would be 97% to 100% West Eurasian ?! I' m not wasting my time with that.

Yes exactly. I just want to figure out what this means in my case, otherwise I don't know what to do with this result. It’s really a shame there isn’t a list or something about average results, so maybe I'll wait for more answers and I'll also contact Dilawer the creator of this software.

[Bender1999]

Congrats to your results! Whether it is normal for Central Europe or not is unfortunately nothing which i can answere or can help you, idk about genetics of other Central Europeans. But nevertheless, always interesting to see what different companies/calculators say about genetics.

[Ford]

For comparison, I got:
WEST EURASIAN 92.1%
SIBERIAN - AMERICAN 7.9%

[Chris596]

For comparison, I got:
WEST EURASIAN 92.1%
SIBERIAN - AMERICAN 7.9%

Thanks for sharing, you got high Siberian but no East Eurasian. Did you get some African as deep ancestry?


By the phenotype of an individual we can mean its full physical appearance, or the appearance of a specific character, such as the eye color, which varies between individuals. Phenotype can be determined by genotype or the presence of alleles carried on an individual's chromosomes. In most cases, the phenotype depends on a combination of several genes and environmental effects. However, the phenotype cannot be inferred from the presence of all alleles.


Genotype and phenotype are not always directly related. Some genes are only able to create a particular phenotype under certain conditions. On the other hand, a phenotype is a product of the function of many genes.

Source: Wikipedia

[Sora]

Nice., but I don't think that is accurate at all

[Ford]

Thanks for sharing, you got high Siberian but no East Eurasian. Did you get some African as deep ancestry?

Deep ancestral:
W_Eurasian 92.90%
Siberian_Amerindian 4.90%
E_Asian 1.15%
E_African 0.9%

[Kaspias]

What I can tell is we have a similar ratio of Deep Ancestral / Ancestral East Eurasian, being roughly 50% more in Ancestral version which should suggest we got that input in a similar time period.

For example my Deep Ancestral EA score is 7.55%, while it is 12.40% in Ancestral one. So, the ratio is 1.6.(Deep/Anc) This is probably more in your case which should suggest you got East Asian input earlier than me.

https://i.ibb.co/z204yfh/K2-vert.jpg

Siberian/Amerindian is probably related with ANE, which is also common among Europeans.

P.S: This tool serves very well of its purpose, we just need to learn how to interpret. This is not something ADMIXTURE based, so looking for references for other communities is not necessary. This is something individual as focused on allele mutations.

[vbnetkhio]

it's just a "race calcualtor". like lm genetics global from admixture studio.

[Chris596]

What I can tell is we have a similar ratio of Deep Ancestral / Ancestral East Eurasian, being roughly 50% more in Ancestral version which should suggest we got that input in a similar time period.

For example my Deep Ancestral EA score is 7.55%, while it is 12.40% in Ancestral one. So, the ratio is 1.6.(Deep/Anc) This is probably more in your case which should suggest you got East Asian input earlier than me.

https://i.ibb.co/z204yfh/K2-vert.jpg

Siberian/Amerindian is probably related with ANE, which is also common among Europeans.

P.S: This tool serves very well of its purpose, we just need to learn how to interpret. This is not something ADMIXTURE based, so looking for references for other communities is not necessary. This is something individual as focused on allele mutations.

Wow! Alright that's some really cool stuff there. Thanks I was actually interested in the result of someone with Turkish ancestry. So it was actually worth it to try this one out. I think I'm starting to get it Kaspias. Again, I appreciate your answer, I would give you two thumbs ups now xD

[oszkar07]

Hi Chris this is my result

https://i.imgur.com/c0V5EKt.jpg?1



Ancestral

West Eurasian - 93.50

East Asian - 4.60

Siberian_Amerindian - 1.90



Deep Ancestral


West Eurasian - 94.70

East Asian - 2.40

Siberian_Amerindian - 1.70


I get more East Asian under Ancestral than I do with Deep Ancestral.
Slightly more Siberian under Ancestral also.

[17571imre]

my results:

EAST AFRICAN 0%
WEST EURASIAN 95%
EAST EURASIAN 5%
SIBERIAN - AMERICAN 0%
WEST AFRICAN 0%

[Zoro]

Alright, now I'm back. Hmm I don't know how to interpret these results:

Ancestral Admixture Proportions

-W_Eurasian 88.90%
-Siberian_Amerindian 5.70%
-E_Asian 5.40%

Deep Ancestral Admixture Proportions

-W_Eurasian 92.80%
-Siberian_Amerindian 3.20%
-E_Asian 3.05%
-E_African 0.60%
-W_African 0.40%

Shouldn't it be the opposite (except for the African ancestry) ? Basically this software is telling me that my real recent ancestry is more than 10% Siberian/East Asian? The Siberian and East Asian deep ancestry is actually less than the recent ancestry? Or I'm totally mistaken? How is this possible? But if it's real, then this can be an explanation for many things in my case. I would really appreciate your answer, or any answer that can help me to understand this.

Not really. Old mutations or Deep Ancestral are not expected to show up in admixture programs because most European or Caucasian Calculator’ references carry this because it’s older established Siberian admixture in those gene pools. Some of it could be ANE or Siberian hunter gatherer related which likely also was part of Yamnaya.

I’m guessing that admixture calculators would better pick up Ancestral minus deep ancestral E Asian only.

Ancestral minus deep ancestral maybe related to Turkics or Iron Age Huns or Scythians or in some cases spread of Uralic languages west although those populations would also carry newer and older E Asian mutations. For me Ancestral would be more important than deep ancestral although both can affect phenotype

[Chris596]

Not really. Old mutations or Deep Ancestral are not expected to show up in admixture programs because most European or Caucasian Calculator’ references carry this because it’s older established Siberian admixture in those gene pools. Some of it could be ANE or Siberian hunter gatherer related which likely also was part of Yamnaya.

I’m guessing that admixture calculators would better pick up Ancestral minus deep ancestral E Asian only.

Ancestral minus deep ancestral maybe related to Turkics or Iron Age Huns or Scythians or in some cases spread of Uralic languages west although those populations would also carry newer and older E Asian mutations. For me Ancestral would be more important than deep ancestral although both can affect phenotype

Thanks for the detailed answer. So this is not actually a real ,,ancestry'' or ,,race'' calculator, it has more to do with specific mutations and alleles, right?


Ohh and what about the GSI Single Population Sharing ? (I think you asked about this one too)

Deep Ancestral
-W_Eurasian 61.10%
-Siberian_Amerindian 2.10%
-E_Asian 2.00%
-E_African 0.40%
-W_African 0.30%

Ancestral
-W_Eurasian 38.50% (why is it so low?)
-Siberian_Amerindian 2.30%
-E_Asian 2.00%

[Leto]

Nice., but I don't think that is accurate at all
This.
I wouldn't pay attention to SAPDA. If Ford is 8% EE, then I must be over 10% which simply can't be true.

[Zoro]

This.
I wouldn't pay attention to SAPDA. If Ford is 8% EE, then I must be over 10% which simply can't be true.

You're too brainwashed by calculators with mixed components. When was the last time you tested with a reliable calculator with just 5 pure components Siberian, E Asian, W Asian, W African, E African ? let me guess never

[Leto]

You're too brainwashed by calculators with mixed components. When was the last time you tested with a reliable calculator with just 5 pure components Siberian, E Asian, W Asian, W African, E African ? let me guess never
I don't care about your bullshit methods. You're a crank to me (when it comes to DNA). I ain't gonna use that nonsense.

[Zoro]

I don't care about your bullshit methods. You're a crank to me (when it comes to DNA). I ain't gonna use that nonsense.

Whatever you say mr DNA guru. Just don't bash something when you don't even have a fuckin similar test with just 5 similar components to compare to. It aint ethical if that means anything to you

[Thracian]

It seems many people get too high East Eurasian+Siberian. It doesn't sound accurate to me.

[Voskos]

I prefer it over gedmatch personally. The high siberian I assume is some extra Amerindian and Siberid allels otherwise included in the Baltic and East Euro categories. Same goes for East Eurasian, it's roughly all the ancient Mongoloid separated from the mixed West Asian categories.

[Chris596]

It seems many people get too high East Eurasian+Siberian. It doesn't sound accurate to me.

I agree with you. Although there was an Eurasian gene flow mainly between Eastern Europe and East Asia (you know about the Hungarian steppe which connects to the East European and Central-East Asian Steppe). Also Eurasians (West Eurasians and East Eurasians) are far closer to each other than to any other groups :)

[Zoro]

I prefer it over gedmatch personally. The high siberian I assume is some extra Amerindian and Siberid allels otherwise included in the Baltic and East Euro categories. Same goes for East Eurasian, it's roughly all the ancient Mongoloid separated from the mixed West Asian categories.

Some people here have thick skulls they can’t even comprehend something basic like this lol