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Kyp
08-27-2020, 01:12 PM
Native result from Azerbaijan (+7000yearsold) - pre Indo-Iranization and Turkification:



Gedrosian: 13.24
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 16.41
North_European: 0.00
South_Asian 0.00
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 15.71
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 54.63
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Azer_lowlands
6.74782928 Greek_Pontus
8.42985172 Armenian_West
9.11287551 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.76251504 Azerbaijan_Jews
9.90548838 Greek_Cappadocia
10.55729606 Hemshin
10.63691685 Armenian_East
11.13440165 Georgia_Jews
11.20907668 Druze
11.34352238 Cypriots
11.37019789 Laz
12.03657759 Assyrian
13.08230102 Nusayri_Turkey
14.11108430 Iraq_Jews
14.13693743 Georgian_Adjara
14.18938688 Iranian_Jews
14.56545228 Turk_East
14.86358301 Turk_Ahiska
15.45295117 Georgian_Turkey
15.53559461 Uzbekistan_Jews
16.58018396 Udi_Azerbaijan
17.56470040 Lebanese
18.09452403 Georgian_Imereti
19.19992448 Turk_Central_East
19.88810197 Zaza

Target: Azer_lowlands
Distance: 4.3361% / 4.33607619
47.6 Georgian_Adjara
24.2 Samaritians
15.2 Greek_Pontus
9.0 Sardinian
4.0 Azerbaijan_Jews



In comparison to modern average in red:

Gedrosian: 13.24 (20.81)
Siberian: 0.00 (2.53)
Northwest_African: 0.00 (0.45)
Southeast_Asian: 0.00 (0.58)
Atlantic_Med: 16.41 (9.08)
North_European: 0.00 (9.18)
South_Asian 0.00 (2.66)
East_African 0.00 (0.31)
Southwest_Asian: 15.71 (12.19)
East_Asian: 0.00 (3.60)
Caucasian: 54.63 (38.42)

Leto
08-27-2020, 01:36 PM
Unsurprisingly close to modern Armenians.

Lucas
08-27-2020, 01:39 PM
Native result from Azerbaijan (+7000yearsold) - pre Indo-Iranization and Turkification:


Target: Azer_lowlands
Distance: 4.3361% / 4.33607619
47.6 Georgian_Adjara
24.2 Samaritians
15.2 Greek_Pontus
9.0 Sardinian
4.0 Azerbaijan_Jews
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What sample number it is?

Interesting that large Semitic share is for such old date. It was pre-Babilonian / Chaldean / Assyrian result.

Kyp
08-27-2020, 01:44 PM
What sample number it is?

Interesting that large Semitic share is for such old date. It was pre-Babilonian / Chaldean / Assyrian result.

I don't have the number but the Tag is : AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN:MTT001

You mean SW_Asian = Semitic? I guess it's spread all over Anatolia, Greece and Iran too at that time

Bender1999
08-27-2020, 02:59 PM
Can also be someone from pre-IE and pre-Turkic Anatolian from NE-parts of Anatolia. In all likelihood an Urartrian for example would show same results, maybe more SW-Asian?

Kyp
08-27-2020, 03:12 PM
Can also be someone from pre-IE and pre-Turkic Anatolian from NE-parts of Anatolia. In all likelihood an Urartrian for example would show same results, maybe more SW-Asian?

Udis (pre-Turkic) Azerbaijanis already are Iranian shifted:

Target: Udi_Azerbaijan
Distance: 1.5170% / 1.51701434
57.0 Azer_lowlands
28.4 Iran_Chl
14.6 Steppe

Lucas
08-27-2020, 03:13 PM
I don't have the number but the Tag is : AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN:MTT001

You mean SW_Asian = Semitic? I guess it's spread all over Anatolia, Greece and Iran too at that time

I mean 24% Samaritan in nMonte oracle. It isn't proxy for farmer or am I wrong?

Bender1999
08-27-2020, 03:34 PM
Udis (pre-Turkic) Azerbaijanis already are Iranian shifted:

Target: Udi_Azerbaijan
Distance: 1.5170% / 1.51701434
57.0 Azer_lowlands
28.4 Iran_Chl
14.6 Steppe

What is the indication for Iranian influence, Iran_Chl or Steppe? Is the first one „pre Iranic“ Iranian?

Kyp
08-27-2020, 03:39 PM
What is the indication for Iranian influence, Iran_Chl or Steppe? Is the first one „pre Iranic“ Iranian?

Both. Yes Iran_Chl is pre-Iranic from West Iran/Kurdistan. Steppe could also have come with other Iranics or Steppe people such as Scythians though.

Kyp
08-27-2020, 04:06 PM
I mean 24% Samaritan in nMonte oracle. It isn't proxy for farmer or am I wrong?

It looks like a mix of CHG and Anatolia_Neolithic

Aren
08-27-2020, 04:29 PM
What sample number it is?

Interesting that large Semitic share is for such old date. It was pre-Babilonian / Chaldean / Assyrian result.

It's not surprising at all, I was expecting this southern shift.
The archeological links between these Shulaveri-Shomu samples and the contemporary cultures of Upper Mesopotamia(Halaf, Hassuna) are very striking.

It's very different from what the Northern Caucasus looked like at the time.

Target: RUS_Darkveti-Meshoko_En
Distance: 2.2591% / 0.02259139
64.2 GEO_CHG
28.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
4.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
3.8 Levant_PPNB

Target: AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN
Distance: 2.9333% / 0.02933314
49.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
23.0 GEO_CHG
17.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
10.4 Levant_PPNB

Bosniensis
08-27-2020, 04:31 PM
9.11287551 Turk_East_Black_Sea

So it's true that Central Asians ruled in Anatolia 7000 years ago.

9 isn't even a huge distance to be honest considering the age.


:ROFL:

Kyp
08-27-2020, 04:38 PM
9.11287551 Turk_East_Black_Sea

So it's true that Central Asians ruled in Anatolia 7000 years ago.

9 isn't even a huge distance to be honest considering the age.


:ROFL:

East_Blacksea is mostly converts:

Distance to: Turk_East_Black_Sea
2.74727137 Greek_Pontus
3.66412336 Hemshin
4.39245945 Laz
5.75940101 Armenian_East
6.47116682 Turk_Ahiska
7.55353560 Georgian_Adjara
7.63610503 Armenian_West
8.32492643 Georgian_Turkey
9.13788816 Georgia_Jews
9.27563475 Azerbaijan_Jews
9.57523368 Turk_East
10.23649842 Georgian_Imereti
11.03787117 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.39870168 Greek_Cappadocia
11.53484720 Georgian_Gurian
12.23446362 Assyrian
12.57159497 Georgian_Mingrelian
12.67245043 Abkhazian

Aren
08-27-2020, 04:44 PM
Udis (pre-Turkic) Azerbaijanis already are Iranian shifted:

Target: Udi_Azerbaijan
Distance: 1.5170% / 1.51701434
57.0 Azer_lowlands
28.4 Iran_Chl
14.6 Steppe

Interesting people. Had no idea Azerbaijan still had a native pre-Turkic population. The fact that they haven't converted yet is pretty insane.
Do you have Azeri Tat kits?

Kyp
08-27-2020, 04:55 PM
Interesting people. Had no idea Azerbaijan still had a native pre-Turkic population. The fact that they haven't converted yet is pretty insane.
Do you have Azeri Tat kits?

Nej, I don't have one unfortunately..

Here is a good summary on the diversity inside of the Republic of Azerbaijan:
http://multiculturalism.preslib.az/en_a3.html