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Let Kyp answer for himself. That still doesn't change there ethnic origin does it? They are genetically, culturally, linguistically clearly Kurds. Amish people also don't mix or marry outside of their community that still doesn't make them anything else but White Americans. Your argument is invalid.
The Amish are not just white, they are pretty much entirely German or Swiss German. But they are their own group now, after several centuries. I oversee the spreadsheet by the way. Without me a lot of references wouldn't be on the list.
Are the Druze just Arabs? I don't think so.
^agree with Leto on this one.
Demhat
01-06-2021, 04:35 PM
Actually I mostly go with western academic classifcations. "Azerbaijani" is a recognized ethnicity nowadays. Everything else is political (to me personally). So I urge you to stick to estbalished academic facts to remain the universal character of the list. For example origin of Zazas is not 100% established as Kurdish, I would stick to "Zaza" in this case.
If I would ask my grandmother what ethnicity she is, she would answer "Turk" like 95% of old Azerbaijani people. Now this doesn't mean she doesn't consider herself Iranian too, have you understand?
Yes the same Lucas. You can post your demands in this thread (like other members, not only me) or PM him
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?310130-NEW!-All-Gedmatch-calculators-on-Vahaduo-ON-LINE
Don't start with this bullshit in the typical Pan Turanist manner.
Just few posts ago you used self definition as argument for not naming the Yezidi and Zaza branch as Kurdish, when I pointed out that probably the majority of Azeris call themselves simply Persians you did mental gymanistics and now run back to "academic classifications"?
No Azeris in Iran are not considered or called Azerbaijanis by the general science. They are simply called Azeris. Azerbaijani refers to people from the Azerbaijani country. Stop flip flopping with arguments.
I do not agree with Zoro you guys are not clowns. You are the entire Circus. I had my suspicion about you since the very first days but tried to stay friendly. But fact of the matter is you guys are like mental spastics.
And you even once unintentionally revealed yourself to me as not being what you claim to be. You are either from Turkey or have lived for a long time there.
I don't know what the Hell is wrong with Leto but the way how he runs to your rescue and generally seems to have a fettish for Turkish or Turkic things makes me wonder if he and you are in some kind of romantic relation. But I am not going to sit here and watch how two weirdos keep on falsifying data about Kurds and ignore advanced science from the likes of Zoro because apparently they have no clue how it works.
Now stick your friendly character up somewhere else and show your real face.
Demhat
01-06-2021, 04:42 PM
The Amish are not just white, they are pretty much entirely German or Swiss German. But they are their own group now, after several centuries. I oversee the spreadsheet by the way. Without me a lot of references wouldn't be on the list.
Are the Druze just Arabs? I don't think so.
They are still considered US Americans though. The point is valid. Being endogamous does not make you a different ethnicity.
Also my point stays calling Azeris from Iran Azerbaijanis is even more inaccurate but it doesn't seem to bother you as much as Kurdish sub branches being labeled as Kurd.
Are you even a Russian or why the hell are you being such a cuck to Turkic theories?
I am not going to waste my time further with your shit either.
I don't know what the hell is wrong with you or why
Don't start with this bullshit in the typical Pan Turanist manner.
Just few posts ago you used self definition as argument for not naming the Yezidi and Zaza branch as Kurdish, when I pointed out that probably the majority of Azeris call themselves simply Persians you did mental gymanistics and now run back to "academic classifications"?
No Azeris in Iran are not considered or called Azerbaijanis by the general science. They are simply called Azeris. Azerbaijani refers to people from the Azerbaijani country. Stop flip flopping with arguments.
I do not agree with Zoro you guys are not clowns. You are the entire Circus. I had my suspicion about you since the very first days but tried to stay friendly. But fact of the matter is you guys are like mental spastics.
And you even once unintentionally revealed yourself to me as not being what you claim to be. You are either from Turkey or have lived for a long time there.
I don't know what the Hell is wrong with Leto but the way how he runs to your rescue and generally seems to have a fettish for Turkish or Turkic things makes me wonder if he and you are in some kind of romantic relation. But I am not going to sit here and watch how two weirdos keep on falsifying data about Kurds and ignore advanced science from the likes of Zoro because apparently they have no clue how it works.
Now stick your friendly character up somewhere else and show your real face.
We're in a Western forum. We stick to classifications established by western academics. If you don't like it create your own Kurdish based calculator/website. You clearly lack knowledge about Azerbaijanis in the first place (wait for Iranian members agreeing with me rather than with you.) What you don't seem to grasp that being "tork" (referring to the language you speak) doesn't neglect the fact of being Iranian. This simple concept you don't understand apparantely.
And no, turkish speaking Azerbaijanis never were referred to as "Azeri" in Iranian academics/history too. These facts don't make me Pan-Turkist. The only Pan-something in this thread is you my friend.
Demhat
01-06-2021, 04:46 PM
Stop acting like you know shit Kyp. You ignore Western classifications if they are against your ideas and ideology and if they fit your taste then certanly they are the reference?
Just stfu and reveal yourself and your true intention. I am sick of your passive-aggressive bullshit and your false act of kindness.
Are you even a Russian or why the hell are you being such a cuck to Turkic theories?
I am not going to waste my time further with your shit either.
I don't know what the hell is wrong with you or why
Turkic cuck? What the fuck are you talking about? Yes, I'm Russian and in Russia the Azerbaijanis are 100% a separate ethnic group. At least for the last 100 years, I know that before Stalin they were called Türk. The Russians in the 19th century referred to them as "Transcaucasian Tatars".
Demhat
01-06-2021, 04:55 PM
Turkic cuck? What the fuck are you talking about? Yes, I'm Russian and in Russia the Azerbaijanis are 100% a separate ethnic group. At least for the last 100 years, I know that before Stalin they weree called Türk. The Russians in the 19th century referred to them as "Transcaucasian Tatars".
What they were called before is of no relevance if the argument is that few certain circles among the Zaza and Yezidi consider themselves as seperate thing. When a majority of modern Azeris (not Azerbaijanis) in Iran would call themselves Persian. You can't have it both ways. Either one or the other. Using different standards is not scientific.
And if you agree or support that shit than you are not just a traitor to what you claim to be (IE) but also act like a cuck. So make up your mind. I am sick of ignoring this nonsense and I am not going to close my eyes to it.
What they were called before is of no relevance if the argument is that few certain circles among the Zaza and Yezidi consider themselves as seperate thing. When a majority of modern Azeris (not Azerbaijanis) in Iran would call themselves Persian. You can't have it both ways. Either one or the other. Using different standards is not scientific.
And if you agree or support that shit than you are not just a traitor to what you claim to be (IE) but also act like a cuck. So make up your mind. I am sick of ignoring this nonsense and I am not going to close my eyes to it.
Listen, I have no strong opinion on the Zaza or Yazidis, so I don't really care what they are called in the spreadsheet. I don't think Azerbaijanis in Iran call themselves Persian. I studied a bit of Persian in the past and as far as I know the main civic nationalist identity over there is irani, not farsi. Southern Azerbaijan is part of the modern IR of Iran, so calling them Azerbaijani wouldn't be wrong IMO.
What does my being IE have to do with that? How about you leave this thread instead of ruining it? First Zoro, now you.
@Demhat referring to yourself as Persian is just what you would do outside of Iran. Not even Persian-speakers refer to themselves as Persian in their own language. The binding identity is Iranian not Persian. Claiming Azerbaijanis identify as Persian is outright ridiculous. Now it doesn't mean that they don't identify as Iranian.
Have you ever heard the term "Man farsi'am"?
But this is what you as a Pan-Kurd wouldn't understand.
@Demhat referring to yourself as Persian is just what you would do outside of Iran. Not even Persian-speakers refer to themselves as Persian in their own language. The binding identity is Iranian not Persian. Claiming Azerbaijanis identify as Persian is outright ridiculous. Now it doesn't mean that they don't identify as Iranian.
Have you ever heard the term "Man farsi'am"?
But this is what you as a Pan-Kurd wouldn't understand.
Do the Persians even exist in Iran? Or they are just Iranians?
Do the Persians even exist in Iran? Or they are just Iranians?
It does exist, but it refers to linguistic background rather than ethnicity. Same as "tork" "kord" etc..
Demhat
01-06-2021, 05:22 PM
@Demhat referring to yourself as Persian is just what you would do outside of Iran. Not even Persian-speakers refer to themselves as Persian in their own language. The binding identity is Iranian not Persian. Claiming Azerbaijanis identify as Persian is outright ridiculous. Now it doesn't mean that they don't identify as Iranian.
Have you ever heard the term "Man farsi'am"?
But this is what you as a Pan-Kurd wouldn't understand.
Man you are not even good at lying. You contradict yourself and your own arguments constantly.
If I speak to a Zaza or Yezidi they tell me too they are Yezidi or Zaza, in fact most of them don't even call themselves Zaza to begin with as I tried to explain it to your wannabe educated self. They call themselves mostly Kirmanj not even Zaza this alone goes against your "scientific" nonsense.
But to outsiders like 99% of them either introduce themselves as Kurd, or Turk/Iraqi (in the sense that they come from these countries or maybe even because of assimilation). But this is not exclusive to them but Kurds in general and it is rather a minority than the majority.
However coming from Iran but introducing yourself as Persian is on a entirely different level. Why would you introduce yourself as Persian and not Iranian? That is because they consider themselves as Persians and I made this experience.
There is not even a need for further discussion matter of fact is you are using double standards and make no fucking sense with your arguments. And I am sick of your bullshit. You can't have it both ways. If you go with self definition, there are much more Azeris that call themselves Persian than there are Yezidis/Zaza that consider themselves as seperate ethnicity. Yes they have a sense of being special cases but not seperate from the Kurdish cultural sphere.
Make out of this what you will but from now on I will not be sitting quietly next buy without exposing your nonsense.
Man you are not even good at lying. You contradict yourself and your own arguments constantly.
If I speak to a Zaza or Yezidi they tell me too they are Yezidi or Zaza, in fact most of them don't even call themselves Zaza to begin with as I tried to explain it to your wannabe educated self. They call themselves mostly Kirmanj not even Zaza this alone goes against your "scientific" nonsense.
But to outsiders like 99% of them either introduce themselves as Kurd, or Turk/Iraqi (in the sense that they come from these countries or maybe even because of assimilation). But this is not exclusive to them but Kurds in general and it is rather a minority than the majority.
However coming from Iran but introducing yourself as Persian is on a entirely different level. Why would you introduce yourself as Persian and not Iranian? That is because they consider themselves as Persians and I made this experience.
There is not even a need for further discussion matter of fact is you are using double standards and make no fucking sense with your arguments. And I am sick of your bullshit. You can't have it both ways. If you go with self definition, there are much more Azeris that call themselves Persian than there are Yezidis/Zaza that consider themselves as seperate ethnicity. Yes they have a sense of being special cases but not seperate from the Kurdish cultural sphere.
Make out of this what you will but from now on I will not be sitting quietly next buy without exposing your nonsense.
All of this just because I called the average "Yazidi" and not "Kurd_Yazidi" without thinking about it...
here an explanation: if an ethnicity exists outside of Iran, I will put the Ethnicity first and not second to keep it more clean.
Examples:
"Azerbaijani_Iran"
"Turkmen_Iran"
"Turkmen_Afghanistan"
"Kurd_Iran"
"Talysh_Azerbaijan"
"Talysh_Iran"
If the ethnicity is a group that only exists inside of Iran I will use:
"Iran_Lur"
"Iran_Mazandarani"
"Iran_Gilaki" etc..
Zero political agenda behind it. Stop acting so butthurt.
Demhat
01-06-2021, 05:29 PM
Stop flip flopping with your arguments
1. You say Yezidi and Zaza are not 100% proven Kurd because there are some that consider themselves differently? Guess what There are allot of Azeris that do consider themselves as Persian. And even less Azeris that would call themselves Azerbaijani.
2. You say historic definition is important? Fine historically these groups are clearly mentioned in the Kurdish ethno-cultural sphere and as Kurds.
You can't have it both ways so decide. Anything else makes you just look like a deceiving liar.
Demhat
01-06-2021, 05:37 PM
All of this just because I called the average "Yazidi" and not "Kurd_Yazidi" without thinking about it...
here an explanation: if an ethnicity exists outside of Iran, I will put the Ethnicity first and not second to keep it more clean.
Examples:
"Azerbaijani_Iran"
"Turkmen_Iran"
"Kurd_Iran"
"Talysh_Azerbaijan"
"Talysh_Iran"
If the ethnicity is a group that only exists inside of Iran I will use:
"Iran_Lur"
"Iran_Mazandarani"
"Iran_Gilaki" etc..
Zero political agenda behind it. Stop acting so butthurt.
Your political agenda is widely visible the moment your start typing or open your mouth.
Azerbaijani is a term used to refer to citizens of the Azerbaijani state. Kurmanji is a linguistic definition. Yezidis speak Kurmanji you uneducated fool. By the fact that you differentiate with Kurd_ Kurmanji and Yezidi you are indirectly implying that A: they are different thing to Kurmanjis and B: they are not Kurds. Which both make scientificly zero sense.
By having Kurmanji and Sorani averages and calling them with the suffix Kurd you are implying that Zaza and Yezidis are not.
Demhat
01-06-2021, 05:44 PM
All of this just because I called the average "Yazidi" and not "Kurd_Yazidi" without thinking about it...
For someone who was simply not thinking about it you take allot of time to defend that decision
Makes me wonder why Balkar, Karachay and Kumyk are just labeled as such and not with the Russia suffix since they only live there. Is it maybe because they are Turkic ethnicities and you saw it as important to distinguish them?
My whole point is if you do not want to appear political. A: you either take the Kurd suffix out of Kurmanji and Sorani or B: you put that suffix infront of Yezidi and Zaza. Otherwise you are implying that Yezidis are not Kurmanji speakers and Yezidis and Zaza are different from Kurds. Which is both a political statement. And the fact you took so much time defending your decisions make me highly doubt," you just didn't thought about it".
Your political agenda is widely visible the moment your start typing or open your mouth.
Azerbaijani is a term used to refer to citizens of the Azerbaijani state. Kurmanji is a linguistic definition. Yezidis speak Kurmanji you uneducated fool. By the fact that you differentiate with Kurd_ Kurmanji and Yezidi you are indirectly implying that A: they are different thing to Kurmanjis and B: they are not Kurds. Which both make scientificly zero sense.
By having Kurmanji and Sorani averages and calling them with the suffix Kurd you are implying that Zaza and Yezidis are not.
Please stop with your BS. Azerbaijan is an Iranian province. The term "Azeri" is used only since the Pahlavis.
Here translated from the Iranian wikipedia site:
https://i.imgur.com/EHDdasT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/q8tgDy2.png
"Azerbaijanis are generally known as "Azerbaijani Turks" (Azerbaijani: Azربrbaycan Türkləri). [43] [44] and are predominantly Shiite Muslims ."
Meanwhile Zaza-Gorani isn't even classified as a Kurdish language.
Demhat
01-06-2021, 05:56 PM
Please stop with your BS. Azerbaijan is an Iranian province. The term "Azeri" is used only since the Pahlavis.
Here translated from the Iranian wikipedia site:
https://i.imgur.com/EHDdasT.jpg
Meanwhile Zaza-Gorani isn't even classified as a Kurdish language.
Stop clowning around. like 20-30% of Azeris live outside of the two provinces named Azerbaijan. You know that, yet you include Azeri samples from Qazvin or Qom in your Azerbaijani_Iran averages.
The classification of Zaza_Gorani linguistically as non "Kurdish" (which here is just used as synonym for Kurmanji not even Sorani) is not a widely accepted fact but allot of modern linguists have a different opinion on that.
Also nice that you quote the most "scientific" source (Wikipedia) here.
+ linguistics is not the primary or only factor for the definition of an ethnicity.
Ethnic group, a social group or category of the population that, in a larger society, is set apart and bound together by common ties of race, language, nationality, or culture.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/ethnic-group
The more you type the more you reveal yourself as the biased fool your are.
And I repeat
For someone who was simply not thinking about it you take allot of time to defend that decision
It's good that you stop flip flopping around and started to show your real beta cuck face.
For someone who was simply not thinking about it you take allot of time to defend that decision
Makes me wonder why Balkar, Karachay and Kumyk are just labeled as such and not with the Russia suffix since they only live there. Is it maybe because they are Turkic ethnicities and you saw it as important to distinguish them?
My whole point is if you do not want to appear political. A: you either take the Kurd suffix out of Kurmanji and Sorani or B: you put that suffix infront of Yezidi and Zaza. Otherwise you are implying that Yezidis are not Kurmanji speakers and Yezidis and Zaza are different from Kurds. Which is both a political statement. And the fact you took so much time defending your decisions make me highly doubt," you just didn't thought about it".
wtf I didn't made any of these averages. It's getting ridiculous now.
Don't start with this bullshit in the typical Pan Turanist manner.
Just few posts ago you used self definition as argument for not naming the Yezidi and Zaza branch as Kurdish, when I pointed out that probably the majority of Azeris call themselves simply Persians you did mental gymanistics and now run back to "academic classifications"?
No Azeris in Iran are not considered or called Azerbaijanis by the general science. They are simply called Azeris. Azerbaijani refers to people from the Azerbaijani country. Stop flip flopping with arguments.
I do not agree with Zoro you guys are not clowns. You are the entire Circus. I had my suspicion about you since the very first days but tried to stay friendly. But fact of the matter is you guys are like mental spastics.
And you even once unintentionally revealed yourself to me as not being what you claim to be. You are either from Turkey or have lived for a long time there.
I don't know what the Hell is wrong with Leto but the way how he runs to your rescue and generally seems to have a fettish for Turkish or Turkic things makes me wonder if he and you are in some kind of romantic relation. But I am not going to sit here and watch how two weirdos keep on falsifying data about Kurds and ignore advanced science from the likes of Zoro because apparently they have no clue how it works.
Now stick your friendly character up somewhere else and show your real face.
I've yet to see an actual Russian spend 99% of their time on W. and S. Asians. I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me he's from that part of Asia :) As far as Kyp he hasn't given me any reason to believe he's other than German-Azeri but to me he seems like he likes to Turkify Azeris as much as possible where everything I've read indicates that Iranian Azeris are probably descended from the same genetic pool as Kurds. You can see it in the calculator oracles where Kurds sometimes get Azeri in 1st or 2nd position.
Having said this they do seem to both have a good interest in genetics but they need to expand their sphere of knowledge outside of Gedmatch and G25 and start reading more papers if they want to gain a better understanding of genetics.
Demhat
01-06-2021, 06:11 PM
And before you start to cite Wikipedia again.
Wikipedia does not consider itself as a reliable source. Even the founder says so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPa0vxC6NA0&t=240s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YDn7wbwh-k&t=6s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_reliable_source#:~:te xt=Wikipedia%20can%20be%20edited%20by,progress%2C% 20or%20just%20plain%20wrong.&text=However%2C%20because%20Wikipedia%20is%20a,eve ry%20contribution%20all%20the%20time.
Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone at any time. This means that any information it contains at any particular time could be vandalism, a work in progress, or just plain wrong. Biographies of living persons, subjects that happen to be in the news, and politically or culturally contentious topics are especially vulnerable to these issues. Edits on Wikipedia that are in error may eventually be fixed. However, because Wikipedia is a volunteer-run project, it cannot monitor every contribution all the time. There are many errors that remain unnoticed for days, weeks, months, or even years. Therefore, Wikipedia should not be considered a definitive source in and of itself.
Sources accepted as reliable for Wikipedia may in fact rely on Wikipedia as a reference source, sometimes indirectly. If the original information in Wikipedia was false, once it has been reported in sources considered reliable, Wikipedia may use them to reference the false information, giving an apparent respectability to a falsehood. This in turn increases the likelihood of the false information being reported in other media.[109] A known example is the Sacha Baron Cohen article, where false information added in Wikipedia was apparently used by two newspapers, leading to it being treated as reliable in Wikipedia.[110] This process of creating reliable sources for false facts has been termed "citogenesis" by webcomic artist Randall Munroe.[111][112][113]
I have seen this quite allot. A website being used as source that quotes Wikipedia itself. To create the image that many sources agree with it lol.
Somewhat related to the "information loop", but perhaps more worrisome, is the propagation of misinformation to other websites (Answers.com is just one of many) which will often quote misinformation from Wikipedia verbatim, and without mentioning that it has come from Wikipedia. A piece of misinformation originally taken from a Wikipedia article will live on in perhaps dozens of other websites, even if Wikipedia itself has deleted the unreliable material.[114]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia
Next time think twice before you cite Wikipedia.
Demhat
01-06-2021, 06:13 PM
I've yet to see an actual Russian spend 99% of their time on W. and S. Asians. I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me he's from that part of Asia :) As far as Kyp he hasn't given me any reason to believe he's other than German-Azeri but to me he seems like he likes to Turkify Azeris as much as possible where everything I've read indicates that Iranian Azeris are probably descended from the same genetic pool as Kurds. You can see it in the calculator oracles where Kurds sometimes get Azeri in 1st or 2nd position.
Having said this they do seem to both have a good interest in genetics but they need to expand their sphere of knowledge outside of Gedmatch and G25 and start reading more papers if they want to gain a better understanding of genetics.
I couldn't care less about their genetic work but for people who claim the labels are like this "because they didn't think much of it" They honestly take ALLOT of time to defend this decisions instead of just fixing it?
Don't need to add them otherwise we would have too many Iranian averages. Please delete one of the "Turkmen_Iran" duplicates btw.
@Zoro I only created Yazidi average, the "Kurd_Iran" shouldn't be added (as I said), they are just based on the samples from the Iranian study YOU YOURSELF suspected as the Kurdish samples. But since we can't be 100% sure all of them are Kurds we shouldn't add it.
Ok I did indicate which ones were genetically Kurds and which were borderline Kurd-Azeri based on the IBD formal stats and other analysis however, the one I thought were Kurds didn't have the averages you posted which is why I thought it best for the authors to supply that type of info.
Wrt to Dodecad K12 who removed the Dodecad K12 creater Kurd averages because those averages where the ones consistent with Iraqi Kurds and the Soranis and Feylis posted on Palisto's Kurdish DNA blog ?
Ok I did indicate which ones were genetically Kurds and which were borderline Kurd-Azeri based on the IBD formal stats and other analysis however, the one I thought were Kurds didn't have the averages you posted which is why I thought it best for the authors to supply that type of info.
Wrt to Dodecad K12 who removed the Dodecad K12 creater Kurd averages because those averages where the ones consistent with Iraqi Kurds and the Soranis and Feylis posted on Palisto's Kurdish DNA blog ?
I added some confirmed Iranian Kurds too from my spreadsheet (but not many) that's why the average is a bit different I think.
The problem with the samples is, that it could probably include 1 or 2 Azeris while missing Kurds who were closer to the Central Iranian cluster, that's why I said it should not be added. I thought it would be interesting to see nonetheless.
I've yet to see an actual Russian spend 99% of their time on W. and S. Asians. I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me he's from that part of Asia :)
I am Russian but a lot of those ethnicities are/were under Russian or Soviet rule. I grew up seeing a lot of Armenians, Azerbaijanis, later on Central Asians and other migrants joined them. I don't know why I have to explain this. TA doesn't have many West or Central Asians. How many Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kyrgyz, Dagestanis, Georgians, etc. are there on this forum? And how many of them are interested in Dodecad or genetics in general?
MOST of the original Dodecad spreadsheet is seriously inaccurate, largely due to the calculator effect. That was the reason why we started to update it.
Tajik:
Gedrosian: 28.19
Siberian: 5.17
Northwest_African: 0.11
Southeast_Asian: 1.37
Atlantic_Med: 3.88
North_European: 18.72
South_Asian: 8.52
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 3.87
East_Asian: 6.89
Caucasian: 23.37
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Distance to: Tajik
3.19859344 Tajik_Tajikistan
8.08600643 Yagnobi
8.11810939 Tajiks
9.50598759 Tajik_Herat
10.20771277 Turkmen_TM
10.31474188 Pamiri_Shughnan
10.49900471 Pamiri_Rushan
10.92007784 Tajik_Balkh
11.24976889 Pamiri_Ishkashim
12.37387571 Turkmen_Iran
13.37516729 Pashtun_Kandahar
13.99586725 Tajik_Kabul
15.31454537 Iran_Khorasan
16.19692255 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
16.86333893 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
17.81501052 Tabasaran
17.84757406 Lezgin
17.89149239 Qumuq
18.16337799 Avar
18.88724173 Kho
18.91562582 Dargin
18.98190454 Pashtun_Tarkalani
18.99687869 Uzbek
18.99698924 Lak2
Target: Tajik_Dushanbe
Distance: 2.1082% / 2.10819410 | ADC: 0.5x RC
72.9 Tajik_Tajikistan
14.5 Tajik_Herat
10.4 Tabasaran
2.2 Turkmen_TM
FINALLY something worthwhile in this sea of bullshit! Guys, if you don't like this calc, you are free to fucking LEAVE! Don't spam the thread with lengthy posts that do not contain actual Dodecad results. Otherwise we'll have to close this shit down.
Tajik from Dushanbe:
Gedrosian: 28.19
Siberian: 5.17
Northwest_African: 0.11
Southeast_Asian: 1.37
Atlantic_Med: 3.88
North_European: 18.72
South_Asian: 8.52
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 3.87
East_Asian: 6.89
Caucasian: 23.37
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Distance to: Tajik_Dushanbe
3.19859344 Tajik_Tajikistan
8.08600643 Yagnobi
8.11810939 Tajiks
9.50598759 Tajik_Herat
10.20771277 Turkmen_TM
10.31474188 Pamiri_Shughnan
10.49900471 Pamiri_Rushan
10.92007784 Tajik_Balkh
11.24976889 Pamiri_Ishkashim
12.37387571 Turkmen_Iran
13.37516729 Pashtun_Kandahar
13.99586725 Tajik_Kabul
15.31454537 Iran_Khorasan
16.19692255 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
16.86333893 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
17.81501052 Tabasaran
17.84757406 Lezgin
17.89149239 Qumuq
18.16337799 Avar
18.88724173 Kho
18.91562582 Dargin
18.98190454 Pashtun_Tarkalani
18.99687869 Uzbek
18.99698924 Lak2
Target: Tajik_Dushanbe
Distance: 2.1082% / 2.10819410 | ADC: 0.5x RC
72.9 Tajik_Tajikistan
14.5 Tajik_Herat
10.4 Tabasaran
2.2 Turkmen_TM
He is most likely from elsewhere, or his parents were. Dushanbe was a majority Russian and Russian-speaking city until the 1980s. Russian, Tatars, Jews, Koreans and a minority of Uzbeks and Tajiks (educated in Russian-medium schools).
Y-DNA?
I have changed the Tajik references, it should be Tajik_Lowland (Hisar and Kulob) and Tajik_Mountain (Ayni). Luke hasn't updated them.
Dr_Maul
01-06-2021, 10:39 PM
[B]
Distance to: Tajik_Dushanbe
3.19859344 Tajik_Tajikistan
8.08600643 Yagnobi
8.11810939 Tajiks
9.50598759 Tajik_Herat
10.20771277 Turkmen_TM
10.31474188 Pamiri_Shughnan
10.49900471 Pamiri_Rushan
10.92007784 Tajik_Balkh
11.24976889 Pamiri_Ishkashim
12.37387571 Turkmen_Iran
13.37516729 Pashtun_Kandahar
13.99586725 Tajik_Kabul
15.31454537 Iran_Khorasan
16.19692255 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
16.86333893 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
17.81501052 Tabasaran
17.84757406 Lezgin
17.89149239 Qumuq
18.16337799 Avar
18.88724173 Kho
18.91562582 Dargin
18.98190454 Pashtun_Tarkalani
18.99687869 Uzbek
18.99698924 Lak2
Looking at this part, something tells me some of those labeled Tajiks need to be removed or something..
Looking at this part, something tells me some of those labeled Tajiks need to be removed or something..
"Tajik_Balkh" and "Tajiks" will be removed. "Tajik_Tajikistan" will be split into two pops as per the source study. The rest are Afghans added by Mingle, I won't touch them.
Dr_Maul
01-06-2021, 10:54 PM
Uyghur
Population
Gedrosia 17.29 Pct
Siberian 12.37 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 6.94 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.04 Pct
North_European 14.76 Pct
South_Asian 6.51 Pct
East_African 0.29 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.3 Pct
East_Asian 25.34 Pct
Caucasus 9.16 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Sara
7.34107622 Uyghur
10.09745017 Uzbeks
10.44833958 Hazara
11.12732223 Uzbek
13.48371981 Karakalpak
13.77626945 Turkmen_Afghanistan
14.07968750 Nogai_Astrakhan
17.34596783 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
18.83896759 Kazakh
20.57447691 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
20.95487771 Kyrgyz
24.10632075 Bashkir
24.16036424 Tajik_Balkh
24.19569177 Turkmen_Iran
24.19569177 Turkmen_Iran
26.16282286 Tajik_Tajikistan
26.59549774 Lipka_Tatar
27.44237235 Tajiks
27.86783271 Turkmen_TM
28.84360761 Nepali_Newar_Shrestha
31.00669766 Tajik_Herat
31.21060397 Pamiri_Shughnan
31.25339662 Pamiri_Ishkashim
31.63252124 Tajik_Kabul
31.99579035 Pamiri_Rushan
Target: Sara
Distance: 1.2208% / 1.22080261 | ADC: 0.25x RC
81.5 Uyghur
7.8 Irish
5.4 Jatt
5.3 Malay_Malaysia
Turk from Giresun:
Gedrosian: 14.04
Siberian: 7.72
Northwest_African: 1.02
Southeast_Asian: 1.63
Atlantic_Med: 10.36
North_European: 5.28
South_Asian: 1.87
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.38
East_Asian: 5.56
Caucasian: 42.16
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Distance to: Turk_Giresun
5.43255005 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
6.91546817 Turk_Central_East
7.44417893 Turk_South
8.71595089 Turk_Central_West
9.09064354 Turk_Southeast
9.19345963 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.64591105 Turk_East
10.56233402 Turk_Southwest
10.63946897 Azerbaijani
10.70004206 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.16383447 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.02019585 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.26285791 Armenian_East
13.27146940 Turk_Northwest
13.44653487 Iraq_Turkmen
13.64192069 Zaza
13.96894413 Kurd_Kurmanji
14.05742508 Armenian_West
14.56446360 Azeri_Jew
14.61757504 Greek_Cappadocia
14.69094959 Assyrian_West
14.70706633 Nusayri_Turkey
14.71945991 Assyrian_South
14.81340272 Talysh_Azerbaijan
14.81850195 Assyrian_North
14.85922609 Turk_Cyprus
Target: Turk_Giresun
Distance: 2.7634% / 2.76335654 | ADC: 0.5x RC
55.6 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
26.9 Turk_East_Black_Sea
11.8 Assyrian_South
5.7 Evenk
Dr_Maul
01-07-2021, 12:04 AM
Turk from Giresun:
Gedrosian: 14.04
Siberian: 7.72
Northwest_African: 1.02
Southeast_Asian: 1.63
Atlantic_Med: 10.36
North_European: 5.28
South_Asian: 1.87
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.38
East_Asian: 5.56
Caucasian: 42.16
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
That ratio of Asian to Steppe tho.. how? is it Mongol?
Mejgusu
01-07-2021, 11:30 AM
That ratio of Asian to Steppe tho.. how? is it Mongol?
That is typical in Giresun, i have seen even less Euro with more east eurasian. I doubt that Mongols settled there, according Ottoman sources there were just few Mongol settlements in Anatolia, if we forget to question whether this population really was Mongolian.
Maybe it is connected to low steppe admixture of pre-Turkics or the different admix components of Oghuz tribes since Giresun is mostly of Chepni origin.
Fedora
01-07-2021, 01:13 PM
That ratio of Asian to Steppe tho.. how? is it Mongol?
Pontic Greeks can score as low as 1% NE.
Dr_Maul
01-07-2021, 01:44 PM
Pontic Greeks can score as low as 1% NE.
If we consider that medieval Turks were more Asian than Steppe, and this persons native side being Pontic, then yes thats probably possible
Mejgusu
01-07-2021, 01:51 PM
If we consider that medieval Turks were more Asian than Steppe, and this persons native side being Pontic, then yes thats probably possible
His Caucasian is a bit higher than other Giresun-samples too. Either his Turkic side was far more east eurasian than we expect about Oghuzes or his Turkic side had lower steppe than we expect from Turkics.
^Genes can also recombine randomly
Average Armenians from Iran n=7 (Tabriz, Saveh and Isfahan)
thanks @Harut
Gedrosian: 18.52
Siberian: 0.12
Northwest_African: 0.38
Southeast_Asian: 0.06
Atlantic_Med: 10.34
North_European: 5.82
South_Asian: 1.05
East_African: 0.02
Southwest_Asian: 13.44
East_Asian: 0.18
Caucasus: 50.06
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Distance to: Armenian_Iran
1.70111728 Armenian_East
4.38869001 Armenian_West
5.28240476 Turk_East
5.80969018 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.13559288 Turk_East_Black_Sea
6.20474818 Turk_Ahiska
6.69495332 Greek_Pontus
7.25032413 Assyrian_North
7.34986394 Hemshin
7.37756057 Azeri_Jew
7.51901589 Assyrian_West
7.81593884 Assyrian_South
8.34858072 Laz
9.80717594 Georgian
10.05178591 Zaza
10.44850229 Georgian_Adjara
10.80492018 Iranian_Jew
10.90518684 Georgian_Turkey
10.96802626 Kurdish_Jew
11.25721546 Greek_Cappadocia
11.41387314 Mandean
11.57908891 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.84491452 Iraqi_Jew
11.87194592 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.11809391 Kurd_Kurmanji
Target: Armenian_Iran
Distance: 0.7525% / 0.75253059 | ADC: 0.5x RC
81.2 Armenian_East
9.8 Kurd_KAZ
9.0 Georgian_Adjara
Target: Armenian_Iran
Distance: 1.7011% / 1.70111728 | ADC: 1x RC
100.0 Armenian_East
Makes sense, they are Eastern Armenian speakers.
Roman-Anatolian
01-09-2021, 05:26 PM
Pontic Greeks can score as low as 1% NE.
Some of my closer distant relatives I've found on Gedmatch
Pontic Greek1
Population
Gedrosia 12.11Pct
Siberian-
Northwest_African 1.07Pct
Southeast_Asian-
Atlantic_Med 15.36Pct
North_European 6.84Pct
South_Asian-
East_African-
Southwest_Asian 12.63Pct
East_Asian-
Caucasus 51.99Pct
Sub_Saharan-
Distanceto:Pontic Greek1
5.74864332 Greek_Pontus
5.81647660 Greek_Cappadocia
6.42105910 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.24123608 Armenian_East
8.13049199 Armenian_West
9.46791424 Hemshin
10.09984653 Laz
10.20366111 Turk_East
11.13763889 Turk_Ahiska
11.36725561 Assyrian_West
12.05055600 Assyrian_North
12.16008224 Assyrian_South
12.31993912 Nusayri_Turkey
12.45267040 Greek_Cypriot
12.63078778 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.65098020 Azeri_Jew
13.28501035 Turk_Cyprus
13.53126380 Georgian_Adjara
13.65810382 Georgian
14.19001057 Turk_Central_East
14.31887565 Georgian_Turkey
14.34159336 Lebanese_Christian
14.69000000 Greek_Rhodes
14.90300305 Kurdish_Jew
15.33222750 Greek_Kos
Target: Pontic Greek1
Distance: 0.9540% / 0.95399738 | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.6 Greek_Pontus
27.7 Greek_Icaria
8.7 Georgian_Gurian
Target: Pontic Greek1
Distance: 2.1929% / 2.19286423 | ADC: 0.5x RC
51.4 Greek_Cappadocia
34.0 Turk_East_Black_Sea
14.6 Greek_Pontus
Pontic Greek2
Population
Gedrosia 16.56Pct
Siberian-
Northwest_African 0.69Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.25Pct
Atlantic_Med 18.68Pct
North_European 1.83Pct
South_Asian-
East_African-
Southwest_Asian13.1Pct
East_Asian-
Caucasus 47.89Pct
Sub_Saharan-
Distanceto: Pontic Greek2
6.84258723 Greek_Cappadocia
7.53796392 Armenian_West
9.39740922 Armenian_East
9.54408194 Assyrian_West
9.88007591 Nusayri_Turkey
9.96209315 Greek_Pontus
10.17454176 Assyrian_North
10.18214123 Assyrian_South
10.56300620 Turk_East
10.75266944 Azeri_Jew
10.94975799 Greek_Cypriot
11.05056560 Turk_East_Black_Sea
12.57311815 Kurdish_Jew
12.63060964 Lebanese_Christian
12.66985398 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.70537288 Iraqi_Jew
12.86837208 Iranian_Jew
12.88944142 Turk_Cyprus
13.32281502 Hemshin
13.44906688 Mandean
13.87577746 Turk_Central_East
14.08894957 Laz
14.25704387 Greek_Rhodes
14.49975862 Turk_Ahiska
14.85363592 Lebanese_Muslim
Target: Pontic Greek2
Distance: 3.1645% / 3.16451833 | ADC: 0.25x RC
61.7 Armenian_West
23.5 Georgian_Adjara
14.8 Sardinian
Target: Pontic Greek2
Distance: 3.9951% / 3.99514937 | ADC: 0.5x RC
88.5 Armenian_West
11.5 Sardinian
Pontic Greek3
Population
Gedrosia 13.45Pct
Siberian-
Northwest_African 0.08Pct
Southeast_Asian-
Atlantic_Med 15.81Pct
North_European 9.27Pct
South_Asian-
East_African-
Southwest_Asian 11.25Pct
East_Asian 0.37Pct
Caucasus 49.77Pct
Sub_Saharan-
Distanceto: Pontic Greek3
5.91746567 Greek_Cappadocia
7.31462234 Armenian_East
8.06803570 Turk_East_Black_Sea
8.30868822 Greek_Pontus
8.61440073 Turk_East
9.27535983 Armenian_West
10.75340876 Turk_Ahiska
10.91359702 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.11412615 Hemshin
11.57479589 Laz
11.83189757 Turk_Central_East
12.38883772 Assyrian_West
12.51115902 Turk_Cyprus
12.92238755 Assyrian_North
12.96984580 Nusayri_Turkey
13.10950800 Assyrian_South
13.12443523 Greek_Cypriot
13.22812156 Georgian
13.38963405 Azeri_Jew
13.41841645 Greek_Rhodes
13.59547351 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
13.83767321 Greek_Kos
13.95262341 Turk_Central_West
14.39479767 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.60433155 Turk_Southeast
Target: Pontic Greek3
Distance: 0.8025% / 0.80254261 | ADC: 0.25x RC
61.1 Greek_Cappadocia
29.9 Georgian_Gurian
9.0 Albanian
Target: Pontic Greek3
Distance: 1.7361% / 1.73614850 | ADC: 0.5x RC
73.4 Greek_Cappadocia
18.4 Abkhazian
8.2 Ossetian
Fedora
01-09-2021, 07:16 PM
Some of my closer distant relatives I've found on Gedmatch
Pontic Greek1
Population
Gedrosia 12.11Pct
Siberian-
Northwest_African 1.07Pct
Southeast_Asian-
Atlantic_Med 15.36Pct
North_European 6.84Pct
South_Asian-
East_African-
Southwest_Asian 12.63Pct
East_Asian-
Caucasus 51.99Pct
Sub_Saharan-
Distanceto:Pontic Greek1
5.74864332 Greek_Pontus
5.81647660 Greek_Cappadocia
6.42105910 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.24123608 Armenian_East
8.13049199 Armenian_West
9.46791424 Hemshin
10.09984653 Laz
10.20366111 Turk_East
11.13763889 Turk_Ahiska
11.36725561 Assyrian_West
12.05055600 Assyrian_North
12.16008224 Assyrian_South
12.31993912 Nusayri_Turkey
12.45267040 Greek_Cypriot
12.63078778 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.65098020 Azeri_Jew
13.28501035 Turk_Cyprus
13.53126380 Georgian_Adjara
13.65810382 Georgian
14.19001057 Turk_Central_East
14.31887565 Georgian_Turkey
14.34159336 Lebanese_Christian
14.69000000 Greek_Rhodes
14.90300305 Kurdish_Jew
15.33222750 Greek_Kos
Target: Pontic Greek1
Distance: 0.9540% / 0.95399738 | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.6 Greek_Pontus
27.7 Greek_Icaria
8.7 Georgian_Gurian
Target: Pontic Greek1
Distance: 2.1929% / 2.19286423 | ADC: 0.5x RC
51.4 Greek_Cappadocia
34.0 Turk_East_Black_Sea
14.6 Greek_Pontus
Pontic Greek2
Population
Gedrosia 16.56Pct
Siberian-
Northwest_African 0.69Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.25Pct
Atlantic_Med 18.68Pct
North_European 1.83Pct
South_Asian-
East_African-
Southwest_Asian13.1Pct
East_Asian-
Caucasus 47.89Pct
Sub_Saharan-
Distanceto: Pontic Greek2
6.84258723 Greek_Cappadocia
7.53796392 Armenian_West
9.39740922 Armenian_East
9.54408194 Assyrian_West
9.88007591 Nusayri_Turkey
9.96209315 Greek_Pontus
10.17454176 Assyrian_North
10.18214123 Assyrian_South
10.56300620 Turk_East
10.75266944 Azeri_Jew
10.94975799 Greek_Cypriot
11.05056560 Turk_East_Black_Sea
12.57311815 Kurdish_Jew
12.63060964 Lebanese_Christian
12.66985398 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.70537288 Iraqi_Jew
12.86837208 Iranian_Jew
12.88944142 Turk_Cyprus
13.32281502 Hemshin
13.44906688 Mandean
13.87577746 Turk_Central_East
14.08894957 Laz
14.25704387 Greek_Rhodes
14.49975862 Turk_Ahiska
14.85363592 Lebanese_Muslim
Target: Pontic Greek2
Distance: 3.1645% / 3.16451833 | ADC: 0.25x RC
61.7 Armenian_West
23.5 Georgian_Adjara
14.8 Sardinian
Target: Pontic Greek2
Distance: 3.9951% / 3.99514937 | ADC: 0.5x RC
88.5 Armenian_West
11.5 Sardinian
Pontic Greek3
Population
Gedrosia 13.45Pct
Siberian-
Northwest_African 0.08Pct
Southeast_Asian-
Atlantic_Med 15.81Pct
North_European 9.27Pct
South_Asian-
East_African-
Southwest_Asian 11.25Pct
East_Asian 0.37Pct
Caucasus 49.77Pct
Sub_Saharan-
Distanceto: Pontic Greek3
5.91746567 Greek_Cappadocia
7.31462234 Armenian_East
8.06803570 Turk_East_Black_Sea
8.30868822 Greek_Pontus
8.61440073 Turk_East
9.27535983 Armenian_West
10.75340876 Turk_Ahiska
10.91359702 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.11412615 Hemshin
11.57479589 Laz
11.83189757 Turk_Central_East
12.38883772 Assyrian_West
12.51115902 Turk_Cyprus
12.92238755 Assyrian_North
12.96984580 Nusayri_Turkey
13.10950800 Assyrian_South
13.12443523 Greek_Cypriot
13.22812156 Georgian
13.38963405 Azeri_Jew
13.41841645 Greek_Rhodes
13.59547351 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
13.83767321 Greek_Kos
13.95262341 Turk_Central_West
14.39479767 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.60433155 Turk_Southeast
Target: Pontic Greek3
Distance: 0.8025% / 0.80254261 | ADC: 0.25x RC
61.1 Greek_Cappadocia
29.9 Georgian_Gurian
9.0 Albanian
Target: Pontic Greek3
Distance: 1.7361% / 1.73614850 | ADC: 0.5x RC
73.4 Greek_Cappadocia
18.4 Abkhazian
8.2 Ossetian
From which region? They seem more Anatolian shifted, higher Atlantic Med than Turks, ARmenians or others in that region from what I've seen.
My new results using my 23andme raw DNA. This makes a lot more sense. My Qashqai heritage seems to be way more obvious now.
Gedrosia 26.94 Pct
Siberian 0.64 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 3.82 Pct
North_European 7.56 Pct
South_Asian 5.64 Pct
East_African 0.18 Pct
Southwest_Asian 12.24 Pct
East_Asian 2.01 Pct
Caucasus 38.73 Pct
Sub_Saharan 2.25 Pct
Target:
Distance: 2.9201% / 2.92007076 | ADC: 0.5x RC
46.1 Iranian
30.9 Iranian_Fars
11.0 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.1 Talysh_Azerbaijan
1.9 Yoruba
Target:
Distance: 3.7704% / 3.77035587 | ADC: 1x RC
42.1 Iranian_Fars
33.2 Talysh_Azerbaijan
24.7 Iranian
MY ANCESTRY DNA RESULTS
Gedrosia 28.77 Pct
Siberian 0.33 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.05 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.88 Pct
North_European 6.02 Pct
South_Asian 5.07 Pct
East_African 0.07 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.42 Pct
East_Asian 0.67 Pct
Caucasus 37.48 Pct
Sub_Saharan 2.24 Pct
Target: c
Distance: 1.7373% / 1.73733831 | ADC: 0.5x RC
49.7 Iranian
23.5 Lur_Iran
14.6 Iranian_Fars
10.9 Iran_Bandari
1.3 Yoruba
Target: c
Distance: 2.7658% / 2.76583091 | ADC: 1x RC
51.5 Iranian_Fars
48.5 Iranian
Roman-Anatolian
01-10-2021, 09:46 AM
From which region? They seem more Anatolian shifted, higher Atlantic Med than Turks, ARmenians or others in that region from what I've seen.
I can't tell for sure which regions they are from or even if they have some recent anatolian greek ancestry. I assume they are full Pontians due to their high % Caucasian, correct me if i am wrong. So far i have seen Pontic Greek not that much different from the average Greek_Pontus and others being more anatolian shifted. All of them are between 10%-15% Atlanto Med. Here is another example
Population
Gedrosia 13.22 Pct
Siberian 0.17 Pct
Northwest_African 0.33 Pct
Southeast_Asian-
Atlantic_Med 15.44 Pct
North_European 4.25 Pct
South_Asian-
East_African-
Southwest_Asian 13.07 Pct
East_Asian-
Caucasus 53.52 Pct
Sub_Saharan-
Distanceto:Pontic Greek4
3.80193372 Greek_Pontus
5.52859838 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.22262418 Armenian_West
7.29174876 Greek_Cappadocia
7.39435596 Armenian_East
8.09628310 Hemshin
8.79368523 Laz
10.72182354 Assyrian_West
11.17282865 Turk_East
11.20469544 Turk_Ahiska
11.34113310 Assyrian_North
11.50753666 Assyrian_South
12.03001663 Azeri_Jew
12.09430031 Georgian_Adjara
12.86970474 Nusayri_Turkey
13.16019757 Georgian_Turkey
13.32818067 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.42832827 Greek_Cypriot
13.82857187 Georgian
14.36424380 Kurdish_Jew
14.56576466 Lebanese_Christian
14.78948613 Iraqi_Jew
15.09886751Iranian_Jew
15.16895843 Georgian_Imereti
15.23632173 Turk_Cyprus
Target: Pontic Greek4
Distance: 1.2486% / 1.24860687 | ADC: 0.25x RC
90.2 Greek_Pontus
5.5 Sardinian
4.3 Greek_Cappadocia
Target: Pontic Greek4
Distance: 1.6278% / 1.62776951 | ADC: 0.5x RC
67.4 Greek_Pontus
32.6 Greek_Cappadocia
Roman-Anatolian
01-10-2021, 04:18 PM
Another individual who scores Greek_Pontus Greek_Cappadocia
Population
Gedrosia 13.09 Pct
Siberian-
Northwest_African-
Southeast_Asian-
Atlantic_Med 16.33 Pct
North_European 4.32 Pct
South_Asian-
East_African-
Southwest_Asian 13.32 Pct
East_Asian-
Caucasus 52.94 Pct
Sub_Saharan-
Distanceto: Pontic Greek5
5.09467369 Greek_Pontus
6.26924238 Greek_Cappadocia
6.75715917 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.55226456 Armenian_West
7.98550562 Armenian_East
9.35759585 Hemshin
10.02403611 Laz
10.86333742 Assyrian_West
11.45742990 Turk_East
11.55719257 Assyrian_North
11.68735214 Assyrian_South
12.17833322 Turk_Ahiska
12.28813656 Azeri_Jew
12.34552146 Nusayri_Turkey
12.49977600 Greek_Cypriot
13.27554519 Georgian_Adjara
13.69970803 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.13909827 Lebanese_Christian
14.35710974 Georgian_Turkey
14.46685522 Kurdish_Jew
14.48201298 Turk_Cyprus
14.82285060 Iraqi_Jew
14.86949226 Georgian
15.21027942 Iranian_Jew
15.80185432 Turk_Central_East
Target: Pontic Greek5
Distance: 1.6017% / 1.60174154 | ADC: 0.25x RC
85.8 Greek_Pontus
7.2 Sardinian
7.0 Greek_Cappadocia
Target: Pontic Greek5
Distance: 2.1064% / 2.10643426 | ADC: 0.5x RC
56.0 Greek_Pontus
44.0 Greek_Cappadocia
Mejgusu
01-10-2021, 04:24 PM
Never saw Pontic Greeks with more than 6% NE, not even Cappadocian Greeks have 9% NE.
Javid
01-10-2021, 06:17 PM
Interesting Azerbaijani result - Ancestors from Sarab (Iranian Azerbaijan), Shamakhy and Absheron
Gedrosia 23.02
Siberian 3.5
Northwest_African-
Southeast_Asian-
Atlantic_Med 8.31
North_European 11.6
South_Asian 2.77
East_African 0.9
Southwest_Asian 10.95
East_Asian 2.65
Caucasus 35.84
Sub_Saharan 0.47
Iranian Kurd
Gedrosian: 25.72
Siberian: 0.79
Northwest_African: 2.19
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.96
North_European: 6.83
South_Asian: 2.10
East_African: 1.26
Southwest_Asian: 12.24
East_Asian: 1.89
Caucasian: 36.99
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Iranian Kurd
Gedrosian: 26.38
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 0.48
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.09
North_European: 6.61
South_Asian: 1.46
East_African: 1.54
Southwest_Asian: 12.16
East_Asian: 1.91
Caucasian: 40.38
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
50%Iranian Kurd +50% Persian/Azeri Seyyed
Gedrosian: 24.03
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.18
Atlantic_Med: 12.82
North_European: 8.17
South_Asian: 0.78
East_African: 1.11
Southwest_Asian: 13.20
East_Asian: 2.97
Caucasian: 36.40
Sub_Saharan: 0.53
Rather low South Asian, especially in the third sample. But even 2% would be low-ish for Iran.
Kaspias
01-11-2021, 04:17 PM
Half Dutch, half Turkish from Adana
I1-M253 (Dutch)
U1a1 (Turkish)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 26.25
2 North_European 23.96
3 Atlantic_Med 22.33
4 Gedrosia 12.45
5 Southwest_Asian 6.47
6 Northwest_African 4.1
7 East_African 1.79
8 Siberian 1.16
9 Southeast_Asian 0.92
10 South_Asian 0.41
11 East_Asian 0.15
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 12.88
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 14.1
3 Romanians (Behar) 15.03
4 Greek (Dodecad) 15.34
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.54
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 16.29
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 17.83
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 17.91
9 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.32
10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.44
11 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 18.73
12 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 19.24
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.29
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 22.18
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 22.86
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 23.76
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 24.71
18 Turks (Behar) 26.1
19 Hungarians (Behar) 26.24
20 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 26.25
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.7% Turks (Behar) + 41.3% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 5.03
2 55.6% Turks (Behar) + 44.4% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 5.03
3 54.1% Turks (Behar) + 45.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 5.06
4 56.8% Turks (Behar) + 43.2% English (Dodecad) @ 5.08
5 56.7% Turks (Behar) + 43.3% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 5.08
6 57.9% Turks (Behar) + 42.1% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 5.08
7 58.6% Turks (Behar) + 41.4% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 5.08
8 58.5% Turks (Behar) + 41.5% Irish (Dodecad) @ 5.12
9 56.4% Turks (Behar) + 43.6% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 5.13
10 57.9% Turks (Behar) + 42.1% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 5.13
11 57.8% Turks (Behar) + 42.2% British (Dodecad) @ 5.24
12 57.5% Turks (Behar) + 42.5% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 5.37
13 59.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 40.7% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 5.41
14 60.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 39.9% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 5.42
15 60.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 39.9% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 5.51
16 53.6% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 46.4% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 5.52
17 55.5% Turkish (Dodecad) + 44.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 5.56
18 57.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 42.9% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 5.57
19 60% Turkish (Dodecad) + 40% Irish (Dodecad) @ 5.59
20 52% Dutch (Dodecad) + 48% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 5.6
[1,] "Turk_Trakya" "7.2474"
[2,] "Turk_Makedonya" "8.1506"
[3,] "Turk_Deliorman" "8.2526"
[4,] "Bulgarian_Thrace" "8.866"
[5,] "MD_Gagauz" "9.5646"
[6,] "Greek_Rumelia" "9.5659"
[7,] "Greek_Thrace_avg" "9.8025"
[8,] "Greek_Thessaly" "10.2889"
[9,] "Bulgarian_East" "10.3192"
[10,] "Greek_Northeast" "10.3553"
[11,] "Greek_Peloponnese" "10.5992"
[12,] "Greek_Macedonia" "10.6068"
[13,] "Greek_Thessaloniki" "10.8489"
[14,] "Crimean_Tatar_Mountain" "11.3511"
[15,] "Greek_Central" "11.7225"
[16,] "Albanian_Kosovo" "11.8037"
[17,] "Pomak_Greece" "11.9194"
[18,] "Albanian" "12.0507"
[19,] "Bulgarian_Central" "12.3623"
[20,] "Italian_Lazio" "12.7301"
[1,] "46.2% Chechen + 53.8% Spanish_Canarias" "3.0179"
[2,] "51.3% Qumuq + 48.7% Spanish_Canarias" "3.0463"
[3,] "47.3% Lak2 + 52.7% Spanish_Canarias" "3.3727"
[4,] "47.1% Portuguese + 52.9% Qumuq" "3.487"
[5,] "47.9% Chechen + 52.1% Portuguese" "3.6189"
[6,] "53.5% Spanish_Canarias + 46.5% Tsakhur_Azerbaijan" "3.6478"
[7,] "51.8% Portuguese + 48.2% Tsakhur_Azerbaijan" "3.8484"
[8,] "52.1% Spanish_Canarias + 47.9% Tabasaran" "4.019"
[9,] "46.7% Lezgin + 53.3% Spanish_Canarias" "4.1323"
[10,] "50.6% Dutch_South + 49.4% Turk_East" "4.1369"
[11,] "48.9% Lak2 + 51.1% Portuguese" "4.1436"
[12,] "45.4% Ingush + 54.6% Spanish_Canarias" "4.1581"
[13,] "48% Dutch + 52% Turk_East" "4.2134"
[14,] "47.7% Dutch_Central + 52.3% Turk_East" "4.2787"
[15,] "43.2% Kumyks + 56.8% Spanish_Canarias" "4.3778"
[16,] "45.8% Lak + 54.2% Spanish_Canarias" "4.3787"
[17,] "47% Azerbaijani_Iran + 53% Bavarian_German" "4.3819"
[18,] "72.6% Greek_Thessaly + 27.4% Yagnobi" "4.3895"
[19,] "46.1% Dutch_North + 53.9% Turk_East" "4.4198"
[20,] "45.5% Dutch_South + 54.5% Turk_Central_East" "4.4235"
[21,] "75.4% Greek_Thessaly + 24.6% Pamiri_Rushan" "4.4245"
[22,] "47.1% Ingush + 52.9% Portuguese" "4.4649"
[23,] "77.6% Greek_Thessaly + 22.4% Tajiks" "4.4756"
[24,] "46.2% Balkar + 53.8% Spanish_Canarias" "4.4866"
[25,] "47.9% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 52.1% Portuguese" "4.4915"
[26,] "42.9% Dutch + 57.1% Turk_Central_East" "4.506"
[27,] "75.3% Greek_Northeast + 24.7% Pamiri_Rushan" "4.5306"
[28,] "48.4% Lezgin + 51.6% Portuguese" "4.5426"
[29,] "76.1% Greek_Thessaly + 23.9% Pamiri_Shughnan" "4.543"
[30,] "42.6% Dutch_Central + 57.4% Turk_Central_East" "4.5472"
Half Dutch, half Turkish from Adana
More Northwest and East African than full Turks would normally get. Also his mother should be ca. 4% EE only. A bit strange results.
More Northwest and East African than full Turks would normally get. Also his mother should be ca. 4% EE only. A bit strange results.
The sun of Adana is so powerful that it even makes your genes black
Kaspias
01-11-2021, 05:46 PM
More Northwest and East African than full Turks would normally get. Also his mother should be ca. 4% EE only. A bit strange results.
I do believe he is 1/4 Cypriot or Arab. Just an assumption regarding the result though.
I do believe he is 1/4 Cypriot or Arab. Just an assumption regarding the result though.
Yeah, Arab would make sense.
Mejgusu
01-11-2021, 06:49 PM
Even fully Arabs in this region are rarely over 4% NW-African(and maternal side has 7-9%), i also think he has Cypriot ancestors. SW-Asian is probably around 10-13% which is not atypical for Turks there but a bit low for Arabs. Ethnic full Turks don’t show less than 5% EE in this region. Or the maternal side could have distant slave ancestor too, some settled there. I once read a book about Hittites and there was a narrative about Adana and the archeologists said he talked with a black coffee-men, maybe an exaggeration but still it seems there were some Cypriots with slave ancestry who settled there.
Yemenite:
Gedrosian: 3.16
Siberian: 0.14
Northwest_African: 7.13
Southeast_Asian: 1.02
Atlantic_Med: 8.32
North_European: 0.00
South_Asian: 0.83
East_African: 7.52
Southwest_Asian: 42.30
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 28.68
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Distance to: Yemenite
5.01144690 Bedouin
6.87079326 Kuwait1
8.35427436 Yemenite_Mahra
10.29086002 Saudi
13.45869979 Coptic
16.00619568 Kuwait2
17.86264258 Yemenite_mixed
18.52157542 Egyptian
20.81040845 Jordanian_Muslim
22.08145149 Palestinian
23.23843583 Iraqi_Arab
23.56715935 Syrian_Muslim
23.94006266 Jordanian_Christian
24.42004300 Syrian_SW_Christian
25.06182954 Palestinian_Christian
26.45161999 Iran_Arab
26.78945501 Lebanese_Muslim
28.05633796 Lebanese_Christian
29.55815793 Iraqi_Baghdad
30.63532765 Nusayri_Turkey
30.70110910 Iraqi_Jew
31.38170964 Kurdish_Jew
31.94383196 Iranian_Jew
32.29369288 Mandean
32.82701327 Greek_Cypriot
Target: Yemenite
Distance: 1.1791% / 1.17913688 | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.8 Yemenite_Mahra
23.5 Coptic
21.5 Kuwait1
3.3 Ethiopian
2.2 Maghrebi
0.7 Cambodians
Fedora
01-13-2021, 02:25 PM
Yemenite:
Gedrosian: 3.16
Siberian: 0.14
Northwest_African: 7.13
Southeast_Asian: 1.02
Atlantic_Med: 8.32
North_European: 0.00
South_Asian: 0.83
East_African: 7.52
Southwest_Asian: 42.30
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasian: 28.68
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Distance to: Yemenite
5.01144690 Bedouin
6.87079326 Kuwait1
8.35427436 Yemenite_Mahra
10.29086002 Saudi
13.45869979 Coptic
16.00619568 Kuwait2
17.86264258 Yemenite_mixed
18.52157542 Egyptian
20.81040845 Jordanian_Muslim
22.08145149 Palestinian
23.23843583 Iraqi_Arab
23.56715935 Syrian_Muslim
23.94006266 Jordanian_Christian
24.42004300 Syrian_SW_Christian
25.06182954 Palestinian_Christian
26.45161999 Iran_Arab
26.78945501 Lebanese_Muslim
28.05633796 Lebanese_Christian
29.55815793 Iraqi_Baghdad
30.63532765 Nusayri_Turkey
30.70110910 Iraqi_Jew
31.38170964 Kurdish_Jew
31.94383196 Iranian_Jew
32.29369288 Mandean
32.82701327 Greek_Cypriot
Target: Yemenite
Distance: 1.1791% / 1.17913688 | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.8 Yemenite_Mahra
23.5 Coptic
21.5 Kuwait1
3.3 Ethiopian
2.2 Maghrebi
0.7 Cambodians
Any Natufian results to compare? This sample has 0% Yamnaya/Steppe ancestry but also no SSA/Bantu ancestry like some Levantines have.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/NatufianSpread.svg/800px-NatufianSpread.svg.png
Turk from Tokat:
Gedrosian: 14.57
Siberian: 5.23
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 1.45
Atlantic_Med: 12.07
North_European: 11.63
South_Asian: 0.85
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.51
East_Asian: 4.80
Caucasian: 38.52
Sub_Saharan: 0.36
Distance to: Turk_Tokat
2.78111488 Turk_Central_West
2.89492660 Turk_South
3.01363568 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
3.60401165 Turk_West_BlackSea
3.94067253 Turk_Central_East
4.44647051 Turk_Southwest
6.66724831 Turk_Southeast
6.70609424 Turk_Northwest
8.08001856 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.35482495 Azerbaijani
10.08277740 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.56910592 Turk_East
11.96074412 Kabardin
12.46182972 Abazin
12.67743665 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
13.02757460 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.29935337 Kurd_Kurmanji
13.31874994 Circassian
13.43004095 Zaza
13.44889587 Turk_Cyprus
13.65173615 Iraq_Turkmen
14.04522695 Karachay
14.22808842 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.43069991 Balkar
14.52793516 Adyghe
Target: Turk_Tokat
Distance: 1.1760% / 1.17602818 | ADC: 0.5x RC
38.8 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
35.8 Turk_West_BlackSea
17.7 Turk_South
7.7 Kabardin
Yörük Turk from Mersin:
Gedrosian: 12.88
Siberian: 6.90
Northwest_African: 1.85
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 13.17
North_European: 11.06
South_Asian: 1.53
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.43
East_Asian: 7.13
Caucasian: 34.05
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Distance to: Yörük_Mersin
2.85348909 Turk_Southwest
4.37046908 Turk_Northwest
5.36872424 Turk_West_BlackSea
5.48777733 Turk_Central_West
5.49429704 Turk_South
7.00484832 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.40161889 Turk_Central_East
9.53840133 Turk_Southeast
11.75096592 Azerbaijani
12.18956931 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.42858399 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
13.46358422 Azerbaijani_Iran
14.42234031 Turk_Cyprus
15.45639997 Greek_Crete
15.65017252 Turk_East
15.76648661 Turkmen_Iran
15.82851225 Greek_Fournoi
16.07147784 Greek_Kos
16.07474417 Iraq_Turkmen
16.16456928 Kabardin
16.65211398 Greek_Rhodes
16.68205323 Kurd_Kurmanji
16.71795143 Lebanese_Muslim
16.73450627 Greek_Lemnos
16.82301697 Iraqi_Baghdad
Target: Yörük_Mersin
Distance: 1.2013% / 1.20133135 | ADC: 0.5x RC
88.4 Turk_Southwest
8.3 Jordanian_Muslim
3.3 Nanai
These are presumably Gujarati Indians (you can find more among their matches) but I cannot confirm it. They all score similarly even though some appear to be Muslim and some Hindu.
A654215
A263602
GD8450064
A597803
ND3169486
NQ1666359
M053206
NV1638903
M828190
M617412
M872584
ZK9055446
M910104
M446316
A lot of South Asian references look off but there is no way I can update them. Lukasz has refused to delete the exotic pops with 1-4 samples from the spreadsheet.
Dr_Maul
01-16-2021, 04:13 PM
These are presumably Gujarati Indians (you can find more among their matches) but I cannot confirm it. They all score similarly even though some appear to be Muslim and some Hindu.
A654215
A263602
GD8450064
A597803
ND3169486
NQ1666359
M053206
NV1638903
M828190
M617412
M872584
ZK9055446
M910104
M446316
A lot of South Asian references look off but there is no way I can update them. Lukasz has refused to delete the exotic pops with 1-4 samples from the spreadsheet.
Splitting by caste or regional-caste naming on the samples is also something which would be useful but unlikely to occur in the recent future
Splitting by caste or regional-caste naming on the samples is also something which would be useful but unlikely to occur in the recent future
True but I can't possibly do that. An actual Indian should take on that task. I asked Thambi if he can update the Punjabi Jatt reference which also seems off.
Some mixed person, father is like those presumable Gujaratis while mother is some kind of Russian but with elevated Siberian (either part Tatar or Uralic of some sort)
G-Z30503
Z1a1
Gedrosia 22.19 Pct
Siberian 6.47 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.12 Pct
North_European 31.16 Pct
South_Asian 12.75 Pct
East_African 0.61 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.43 Pct
East_Asian 1.53 Pct
Caucasus 12.74 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
2-way oracle
Distance to: Shyama
2.21761456 50.20% Pashtun_Uthmankhel + 49.80% Tatar_Mishar
2.35140863 48.00% Pashtun_Yusafzai + 52.00% Tatar_Mishar
2.70202576 49.60% Pashtun_Tarkalani + 50.40% Tatar_Mishar
2.84731246 55.00% Pashtun_Yusafzai + 45.00% Russian_Ural
2.95049461 57.20% Pashtun_Uthmankhel + 42.80% Russian_Ural
3.13413472 37.20% Karelian + 62.80% Tajik_Kabul
3.18970923 47.00% Nuristani + 53.00% Tatar_Mishar
3.20466351 43.80% PAK_Kohistani + 56.20% Tatar_Mishar
3.22056373 48.00% Kalash + 52.00% Tatar_Mishar
3.24895773 51.00% Kho + 49.00% Tatar_Mishar
reduced to three populations, I clicked four times and each time got different results
Target: Shyama
Distance: 1.4902% / 1.49015300 | R3P
53.8 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
31.0 Komi
15.2 Hungarians
Target: Shyama
Distance: 1.0474% / 1.04735594 | R3P
49.0 Pashtun_Yusafzai
26.0 Slovak
25.0 Udmurt
Target: Shyama
Distance: 1.0726% / 1.07259540 | R3P
55.9 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
38.2 Russian_Smolensk
5.9 Yukagir
Target: Shyama
Distance: 1.2140% / 1.21398017 | R3P
52.7 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
25.9 Slovak
21.4 Mari
My fathers two-way:
2.15892981 52.00% Hemshin + 48.00% Tajik_Mountain
2.49257416 27.60% Nogai + 72.40% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.54617945 51.40% Laz + 48.60% Tajik_Mountain
2.57122504 47.80% Turk_Ahiska + 52.20% Turkmen_TM
2.81986360 45.20% Tajik_Lowland + 54.80% Turk_East_Black_Sea
2.83285816 41.00% Tajik_Mountain + 59.00% Turk_Ahiska
2.85300755 52.80% Hemshin + 47.20% Tajik_Lowland
2.89600678 46.00% Tajik_Mountain + 54.00% Turk_East_Black_Sea
3.03687982 49.00% Circassian + 51.00% Iranian_Fars
3.04747536 45.40% Georgian + 54.60% Turkmen_TM
3.16446283 50.00% Abazin + 50.00% Iranian_Fars
3.18855340 69.00% Kurd_Adygea + 31.00% Nogai
3.22171790 52.40% Greek_Pontus + 47.60% Tajik_Lowland
3.29440412 52.40% Laz + 47.60% Tajik_Lowland
3.34107287 40.20% Laz + 59.80% Turkmen_TM
3.34267027 38.00% Turkmen_Iran + 62.00% Udi_Azerbaijan
3.34550104 50.60% Iranian_Fars + 49.40% Karachay
3.35153717 50.80% Georgian_Adjara + 49.20% Tajik_Mountain
3.39102112 51.60% Greek_Pontus + 48.40% Tajik_Mountain
3.39641085 41.40% Turkmen_TM + 58.60% Udi_Azerbaijan
3.41643109 63.40% Lur_Iran + 36.60% Nogai
3.41745806 40.80% Hemshin + 59.20% Turkmen_TM
3.42859420 51.40% Turk_Ahiska + 48.60% Turkmen_Iran
3.48454133 59.80% Armenian_East + 40.20% Tajik_Lowland
3.50169135 51.20% Georgian_Turkey + 48.80% Tajik_Mountain
My fathers two-way:
He gets modeled as quarter Karachay now :D(I only have the original coordinates)
Target: Kyp_father
Distance: 2.1842% / 2.18418553 | ADC: 0.5x RC
43.2 Iran_Khorasan
25.0 Azerbaijani_Turkey
24.3 Karachay
7.5 Turkmen_TM
Thracian
01-16-2021, 07:50 PM
My fathers two-way:
2.15892981 52.00% Hemshin + 48.00% Tajik_Mountain
2.49257416 27.60% Nogai + 72.40% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.54617945 51.40% Laz + 48.60% Tajik_Mountain
2.57122504 47.80% Turk_Ahiska + 52.20% Turkmen_TM
2.81986360 45.20% Tajik_Lowland + 54.80% Turk_East_Black_Sea
2.83285816 41.00% Tajik_Mountain + 59.00% Turk_Ahiska
2.85300755 52.80% Hemshin + 47.20% Tajik_Lowland
2.89600678 46.00% Tajik_Mountain + 54.00% Turk_East_Black_Sea
3.03687982 49.00% Circassian + 51.00% Iranian_Fars
3.04747536 45.40% Georgian + 54.60% Turkmen_TM
3.16446283 50.00% Abazin + 50.00% Iranian_Fars
3.18855340 69.00% Kurd_Adygea + 31.00% Nogai
3.22171790 52.40% Greek_Pontus + 47.60% Tajik_Lowland
3.29440412 52.40% Laz + 47.60% Tajik_Lowland
3.34107287 40.20% Laz + 59.80% Turkmen_TM
3.34267027 38.00% Turkmen_Iran + 62.00% Udi_Azerbaijan
3.34550104 50.60% Iranian_Fars + 49.40% Karachay
3.35153717 50.80% Georgian_Adjara + 49.20% Tajik_Mountain
3.39102112 51.60% Greek_Pontus + 48.40% Tajik_Mountain
3.39641085 41.40% Turkmen_TM + 58.60% Udi_Azerbaijan
3.41643109 63.40% Lur_Iran + 36.60% Nogai
3.41745806 40.80% Hemshin + 59.20% Turkmen_TM
3.42859420 51.40% Turk_Ahiska + 48.60% Turkmen_Iran
3.48454133 59.80% Armenian_East + 40.20% Tajik_Lowland
3.50169135 51.20% Georgian_Turkey + 48.80% Tajik_Mountain
Why does he get too much Tajik? I also get dozens of them for k12b's 2 way . Do you think they can be a proxy for Turko-Iranic mixture?
Why does he get too much Tajik? I also get dozens of them for k12b's 2 way . Do you think they can be a proxy for Turko-Iranic mixture?
yes basically. It's convienience for the algorythm.
Kaazi
01-17-2021, 12:02 PM
Some mixed person, father is like those presumable Gujaratis while mother is some kind of Russian but with elevated Siberian (either part Tatar or Uralic of some sort)
G-Z30503
Z1a1
Gedrosia 22.19 Pct
Siberian 6.47 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.12 Pct
North_European 31.16 Pct
South_Asian 12.75 Pct
East_African 0.61 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.43 Pct
East_Asian 1.53 Pct
Caucasus 12.74 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
2-way oracle
Distance to: Shyama
2.21761456 50.20% Pashtun_Uthmankhel + 49.80% Tatar_Mishar
2.35140863 48.00% Pashtun_Yusafzai + 52.00% Tatar_Mishar
2.70202576 49.60% Pashtun_Tarkalani + 50.40% Tatar_Mishar
2.84731246 55.00% Pashtun_Yusafzai + 45.00% Russian_Ural
2.95049461 57.20% Pashtun_Uthmankhel + 42.80% Russian_Ural
3.13413472 37.20% Karelian + 62.80% Tajik_Kabul
3.18970923 47.00% Nuristani + 53.00% Tatar_Mishar
3.20466351 43.80% PAK_Kohistani + 56.20% Tatar_Mishar
3.22056373 48.00% Kalash + 52.00% Tatar_Mishar
3.24895773 51.00% Kho + 49.00% Tatar_Mishar
reduced to three populations, I clicked four times and each time got different results
Target: Shyama
Distance: 1.4902% / 1.49015300 | R3P
53.8 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
31.0 Komi
15.2 Hungarians
Target: Shyama
Distance: 1.0474% / 1.04735594 | R3P
49.0 Pashtun_Yusafzai
26.0 Slovak
25.0 Udmurt
Target: Shyama
Distance: 1.0726% / 1.07259540 | R3P
55.9 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
38.2 Russian_Smolensk
5.9 Yukagir
Target: Shyama
Distance: 1.2140% / 1.21398017 | R3P
52.7 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
25.9 Slovak
21.4 Mari
Isn't his Gujarati father scoring like Pashtuns too much?
Bro, can you tell me what's this half Bahun/Brahmin - half white guy's maternal side looks like? Is this guy half Irish?
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 28.85
2 Gedrosia 22.88
3 Atlantic_Med 20.46
4 South_Asian 18.29
5 Caucasus 4.53
6 East_Asian 1.86
7 Siberian 1.74
8 Southeast_Asian 0.85
9 Sub_Saharan 0.53
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 27.24
2 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 30.26
3 German (Dodecad) 31.5
4 Dutch (Dodecad) 31.51
5 Pathan (HGDP) 31.7
6 Argyll (1000Genomes) 31.7
7 Jatt (Dodecad) 31.7
8 Kent (1000Genomes) 32.09
9 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 32.14
10 French (Dodecad) 32.2
11 English (Dodecad) 32.2
12 Burusho (HGDP) 32.4
13 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 32.65
14 French (HGDP) 32.69
15 Hungarians (Behar) 32.69
16 British (Dodecad) 32.84
17 Orcadian (HGDP) 32.91
18 Irish (Dodecad) 32.92
19 Orkney (1000Genomes) 32.97
20 British_Isles (Dodecad) 33.54
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 46% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 3.48
2 57.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 42.8% Kshatriya (Metspalu) @ 3.92
3 53% Dutch (Dodecad) + 47% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 3.92
4 59.3% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 40.7% Indian (Dodecad) @ 4.09
5 58.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 41.1% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @ 4.11
6 57.9% Dutch (Dodecad) + 42.1% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @ 4.28
7 58.3% Dutch (Dodecad) + 41.7% Indian (Dodecad) @ 4.31
8 52.5% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 47.5% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 4.33
9 52.5% Kent (1000Genomes) + 47.5% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 4.34
10 56.2% Dutch (Dodecad) + 43.8% Kshatriya (Metspalu) @ 4.35
11 52.5% English (Dodecad) + 47.5% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 4.38
12 60.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 39.9% Iyengar (Dodecad) @ 4.48
13 58.5% German (Dodecad) + 41.5% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 4.74
14 58.3% German (Dodecad) + 41.7% Indian (Dodecad) @ 4.78
15 57.9% German (Dodecad) + 42.1% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @ 4.8
16 59.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 40.5% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 4.85
17 51.4% British_Isles (Dodecad) + 48.6% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 4.89
18 52.9% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 47.1% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 4.97
19 61.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 38.1% GIH30 (Dodecad) @ 4.99
20 59.1% Dutch (Dodecad) + 40.9% Iyengar (Dodecad) @ 4.99
Adhikari,22.88,1.74,0.00,0.85,20.46,28.85,18.29,0. 00,0.00,1.86,4.53,0.53
Target: Adhikari
Distance: 1.5745% / 1.57449647 | R2P
51.4 Nepali_Khas_Brahmin
48.6 Irish
Target: Adhikari
Distance: 1.3047% / 1.30469707 | R3P
49.8 Irish
42.9 Nepali_Khas_Brahmin
7.3 Meena
Target: Adhikari
Distance: 0.7933% / 0.79330706 | R4P
47.9 Irish
34.0 Nepali_Khas_Brahmin
13.9 Meena
4.2 Udmurt
Isn't his Gujarati father scoring like Pashtuns too much?
Bro, can you tell me what's this half Bahun/Brahmin - half white guy's maternal side looks like? Is this guy half Irish?
His father is not Pashtun though, a clearly Indian name. He is on Gedmatch too, mother is not.
Yeah, that half Nepali guy seems to be either half Irish or just white American which is typically a Northwestern European mix of some sort. British people all score similarly.
Kaazi
01-17-2021, 01:25 PM
I'll update Nepali Kshatriya/Chhetri sometime later.
Basnet - Jharra Chhetri SNPs used in this evaluation: 151482.
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 30.79
2 Gedrosia 25.23
3 East_Asian 16.98
4 North_European 11.19
5 Southeast_Asian 5.19
6 Siberian 4.72
7 Caucasus 3.78
8 Atlantic_Med 1.87
9 Northwest_African 0.23
10 Southwest_Asian 0.02
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Burusho (HGDP) 20.97
2 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) 24.24
3 Cochin_Jews (Behar) 26.26
4 Jatt (Dodecad) 26.74
5 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 26.95
6 Kshatriya (Metspalu) 27.34
7 Pathan (HGDP) 27.4
8 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) 28.21
9 Indian (Dodecad) 28.75
10 Iyer (Dodecad) 29.75
11 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 29.96
12 Sindhi (HGDP) 30.35
13 Iyengar (Dodecad) 30.75
14 Hazara (HGDP) 30.78
15 Tharus (Metspalu) 31.19
16 Muslim (Metspalu) 31.76
17 Uzbeks (Behar) 31.8
18 Uygur (HGDP) 32.19
19 Dharkars (Metspalu) 32.52
20 Kanjars (Metspalu) 32.67
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.7% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 27.3% Mongola (HGDP) @ 3.24
2 73.8% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 26.2% Xibo (HGDP) @ 4.12
3 72.7% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 27.3% Tu (HGDP) @ 4.17
4 50.4% Uygur (HGDP) + 49.6% Kanjars (Metspalu) @ 4.43
5 50.3% Muslim (Metspalu) + 49.7% Uygur (HGDP) @ 4.68
6 50.3% Uygur (HGDP) + 49.7% Dharkars (Metspalu) @ 4.7
7 74.1% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 25.9% Hezhen (HGDP) @ 4.89
8 50.8% Tharus (Metspalu) + 49.2% Uygur (HGDP) @ 4.98
9 53.1% Uygur (HGDP) + 46.9% Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 5.13
10 73.5% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 26.5% Naxi (HGDP) @ 5.24
11 73.6% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 26.4% Yizu (HGDP) @ 5.37
12 74.6% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 25.4% Naga (Metspalu) @ 5.44
13 53.6% Uygur (HGDP) + 46.4% Dusadh (Metspalu) @ 5.44
14 50.5% Uygur (HGDP) + 49.5% INS30 (SGVP) @ 5.49
15 70.5% Kshatriya (Metspalu) + 29.5% Mongola (HGDP) @ 5.91
16 53.7% Uygur (HGDP) + 46.3% Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 5.95
17 51.2% Iyengar (Dodecad) + 48.8% Uygur (HGDP) @ 5.99
18 55.5% Uygur (HGDP) + 44.5% Kol (Metspalu) @ 6.13
19 50.7% Uygur (HGDP) + 49.3% GIH30 (Dodecad) @ 6.13
20 52.1% Iyer (Dodecad) + 47.9% Uygur (HGDP) @ 6.17
4-oracles
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 30.79
2 Gedrosia 25.23
3 East_Asian 16.98
4 North_European 11.19
5 Southeast_Asian 5.19
6 Siberian 4.72
7 Caucasus 3.78
8 Atlantic_Med 1.87
Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal_Metspalu @ 9.184509
2 Burusho_HGDP @ 22.199030
3 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu @ 24.513716
4 Cochin_Jews_Behar @ 26.808310
5 Jatt_Dodecad @ 27.582804
6 Kshatriya_Metspalu @ 27.857664
7 Bnei_Menashe_Jews_Behar @ 28.069416
8 Pathan_HGDP @ 28.479935
9 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu_Metspalu @ 28.965021
10 Meena_Metspalu @ 29.015320
11 Indian_Dodecad @ 29.581514
12 Bengali_Metspalu @ 30.120956
13 Iyer_Dodecad @ 30.633793
14 Lambadi_Metspalu @ 30.720373
15 Hazara_HGDP @ 31.272211
16 Iyengar_Dodecad @ 31.586107
17 Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 31.712254
18 Sindhi_HGDP @ 31.792892
19 Tharus_Metspalu @ 32.007771
20 Kurmi_Metspalu @ 32.230671
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kanjars_Metspalu +50% Uygur_HGDP @ 4.427516
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu +25% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu +25% Mongola_HGDP @ 3.985196
Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Kol_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev + Tu_HGDP @ 3.867570
2 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Kol_Metspalu + Mongola_HGDP + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.950701
3 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Mongola_HGDP @ 3.985196
4 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Chamar_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev + Tu_HGDP @ 4.114408
5 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Chamar_Metspalu + Mongola_HGDP + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 4.134622
6 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Mongola_HGDP + SAKILLI_Behar + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 4.164702
7 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + SAKILLI_Behar + Tajiks_Yunusbayev + Tu_HGDP @ 4.249581
8 Kol_Metspalu + Kshatriya_Metspalu + Mongola_HGDP + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 4.257677
9 Kol_Metspalu + Kshatriya_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev + Tu_HGDP @ 4.289079
10 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Dusadh_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev + Tu_HGDP @ 4.299106
11 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev + Tu_HGDP + Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste_Metspalu @ 4.313803
12 Bengali_Metspalu + Kanjars_Metspalu + Uygur_HGDP + Uygur_HGDP @ 4.331670
13 Gond_Metspalu + Jatt_Dodecad + Mongola_HGDP + Pathan_HGDP @ 4.331713
14 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Dusadh_Metspalu + Mongola_HGDP + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 4.361714
15 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Xibo_HGDP @ 4.362334
16 Kanjars_Metspalu + Kanjars_Metspalu + Mongola_HGDP + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 4.368448
17 Bengali_Metspalu + Kanjars_Metspalu + Mongola_HGDP + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 4.399458
18 Jatt_Dodecad + Mongola_HGDP + Nihali_Metspalu + Pathan_HGDP @ 4.399928
19 Kanjars_Metspalu + Kanjars_Metspalu + Uygur_HGDP + Uygur_HGDP @ 4.427516
20 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Mongola_HGDP + Tajiks_Yunusbayev + Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste_Metspalu @ 4.429386
Khatri (Chhetri) SNPs used in this evaluation: 47430.
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 32.07
2 Gedrosia 30.09
3 North_European 10.54
4 East_Asian 10.09
5 Southeast_Asian 7.8
6 Caucasus 2.51
7 Southwest_Asian 2.47
8 Siberian 2.39
9 Atlantic_Med 1.75
10 Sub_Saharan 0.29
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Burusho (HGDP) 17.39
2 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) 18.3
3 Jatt (Dodecad) 20.1
4 Cochin_Jews (Behar) 20.1
5 Kshatriya (Metspalu) 21.3
6 Pathan (HGDP) 22
7 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) 22.28
8 Indian (Dodecad) 22.98
9 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 23.5
10 Sindhi (HGDP) 23.51
11 Iyer (Dodecad) 23.9
12 Iyengar (Dodecad) 24.97
13 Tharus (Metspalu) 26.55
14 Muslim (Metspalu) 27.42
15 GIH30 (Dodecad) 27.67
16 INS30 (SGVP) 27.68
17 Dharkars (Metspalu) 27.71
18 Kanjars (Metspalu) 28.07
19 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 29.92
20 Velamas (Metspalu) 31.05
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.8% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 19.2% Han (HGDP) @ 5.01
2 80.8% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 19.2% She (HGDP) @ 5.04
3 80.9% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 19.1% Tujia (HGDP) @ 5.14
4 80.8% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 19.2% CHS30 (SGVP) @ 5.14
5 80.8% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 19.2% Miaozu (HGDP) @ 5.16
6 81% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 19% CHD30 (Metspalu) @ 5.22
7 73% Jatt (Dodecad) + 27% Garo (Chaubey) @ 6.08
8 81.7% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 18.3% CHB30 (Metspalu) @ 6.22
9 80.7% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 19.3% Naxi (HGDP) @ 6.29
10 80.8% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 19.2% Yizu (HGDP) @ 6.34
11 74.3% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 25.7% Burmanese (Chaubey) @ 6.47
12 82.2% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 17.8% Chinese (Dodecad) @ 6.67
13 68.1% Jatt (Dodecad) + 31.9% Khasi (Chaubey) @ 6.97
14 72.4% Jatt (Dodecad) + 27.6% Burmanese (Chaubey) @ 7.1
15 75.4% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 24.6% Garo (Chaubey) @ 7.15
16 76.8% Burusho (HGDP) + 23.2% BONDA (Chaubey) @ 7.23
17 76.8% Burusho (HGDP) + 23.2% Juang (Chaubey) @ 7.25
18 78.7% Kshatriya (Metspalu) + 21.3% Han (HGDP) @ 7.36
19 78.8% Kshatriya (Metspalu) + 21.2% Tujia (HGDP) @ 7.38
20 78.8% Kshatriya (Metspalu) + 21.2% CHD30 (Metspalu) @ 7.41
4-oracles
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 32.07
2 Gedrosia 30.09
3 North_European 10.54
4 East_Asian 10.09
5 Southeast_Asian 7.80
6 Caucasus 2.51
7 Southwest_Asian 2.47
8 Siberian 2.39
9 Atlantic_Med 1.75
Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal_Metspalu @ 15.328521
2 Burusho_HGDP @ 18.370337
3 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu @ 18.509626
4 Cochin_Jews_Behar @ 20.755926
5 Jatt_Dodecad @ 20.834925
6 Kshatriya_Metspalu @ 21.751183
7 Meena_Metspalu @ 21.919962
8 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu_Metspalu @ 22.960238
9 Pathan_HGDP @ 23.095310
10 Indian_Dodecad @ 23.703352
11 Iyer_Dodecad @ 24.675404
12 Sindhi_HGDP @ 24.785864
13 Bengali_Metspalu @ 24.808332
14 Bnei_Menashe_Jews_Behar @ 25.070734
15 Iyengar_Dodecad @ 25.716515
16 Lambadi_Metspalu @ 25.807764
17 Tharus_Metspalu @ 27.455938
18 Kurmi_Metspalu @ 27.823174
19 Muslim_Metspalu @ 28.371664
20 Meghawal_Metspalu @ 28.551336
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal_Metspalu +50% Jatt_Dodecad @ 9.557478
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu +25% Burmanese_Chaubey +25% Pathan_HGDP @ 3.408874
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++
1 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Garo_Chaubey + Jatt_Dodecad + Jatt_Dodecad @ 3.353086
2 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Burmanese_Chaubey + Pathan_HGDP @ 3.408874
3 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Garo_Chaubey + Pathan_HGDP @ 3.530837
4 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal_Metspalu + Jatt_Dodecad + Jatt_Dodecad + Khasi_Chaubey @ 3.567464
5 Garo_Chaubey + Jatt_Dodecad + Jatt_Dodecad + Kshatriya_Metspalu @ 3.608468
6 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Burmanese_Chaubey + Burusho_HGDP @ 3.679132
7 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Burmanese_Chaubey + Jatt_Dodecad @ 3.715690
8 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Garo_Chaubey + Meena_Metspalu + Pathan_HGDP @ 3.835454
9 Garo_Chaubey + Jatt_Dodecad + Kanjars_Metspalu + Pathan_HGDP @ 3.921939
10 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Garo_Chaubey + Jatt_Dodecad @ 3.926952
11 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Burmanese_Chaubey + Kshatriya_Metspalu + Pathan_HGDP @ 3.980146
12 Garo_Chaubey + Iyengar_Dodecad + Jatt_Dodecad + Jatt_Dodecad @ 4.000068
13 Dharkars_Metspalu + Garo_Chaubey + Jatt_Dodecad + Pathan_HGDP @ 4.034086
14 Garo_Chaubey + Jatt_Dodecad + Muslim_Metspalu + Pathan_HGDP @ 4.050167
15 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Garo_Chaubey + Kshatriya_Metspalu + Pathan_HGDP @ 4.055323
16 Garo_Chaubey + Iyengar_Dodecad + Jatt_Dodecad + Pathan_HGDP @ 4.182972
17 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu_Metspalu + Garo_Chaubey + Jatt_Dodecad + Jatt_Dodecad @ 4.199405
18 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Burusho_HGDP + Garo_Chaubey @ 4.252498
19 Garo_Chaubey + Iyer_Dodecad + Jatt_Dodecad + Jatt_Dodecad @ 4.252883
20 Garo_Chaubey + Indian_Dodecad + Jatt_Dodecad + Jatt_Dodecad @ 4.266766
Likely mislabelled Chhetri samples
SampleSouth AsianGedrosiaEast AsianNorth EuropeanCaucasusSoutheast AsianSiberianAtlantic MedSouthwest AsianNorthwest AfricanBahun ► Ba2533.4523.718.159.366.125.24.01000
Bahun ► Ba1531.6429.5115.258.763.153.592.741.552.281.51
Bahun ► Ba3731.5526.8419.645.296.164.913.231.450.930
Kaazi
01-19-2021, 01:29 PM
Khanal - Bahun/Brahmin SNPs used in this evaluation: 151976.
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 35.58
2 Gedrosia 33.98
3 North_European 13.81
4 Caucasus 8.35
5 East_Asian 3.29
6 Siberian 2.58
7 Atlantic_Med 1.71
8 Southeast_Asian 0.63
9 Southwest_Asian 0.07
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) 10.17
2 Jatt (Dodecad) 12.96
3 Burusho (HGDP) 14.45
4 Kshatriya (Metspalu) 14.47
5 Pathan (HGDP) 15.84
6 Cochin_Jews (Behar) 16.45
7 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) 16.61
8 Indian (Dodecad) 17.27
9 Sindhi (HGDP) 18.46
10 Iyer (Dodecad) 18.91
11 Iyengar (Dodecad) 19.35
12 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 19.46
13 Tharus (Metspalu) 22.15
14 GIH30 (Dodecad) 22.51
15 Dharkars (Metspalu) 23.07
16 INS30 (SGVP) 23.12
17 Muslim (Metspalu) 23.14
18 Kanjars (Metspalu) 23.63
19 Velamas (Metspalu) 26.74
20 Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) 28.72
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.3% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 21.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 2.23
2 83% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 17% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 2.43
3 55.6% Kanjars (Metspalu) + 44.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.6
4 75% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 25% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.67
5 56.1% Muslim (Metspalu) + 43.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.07
6 56.2% Dharkars (Metspalu) + 43.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.09
7 67.5% Kshatriya (Metspalu) + 32.5% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.15
8 83.7% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 16.3% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.39
9 77.5% Kshatriya (Metspalu) + 22.5% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 3.5
10 57.3% Tharus (Metspalu) + 42.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.51
11 50.7% Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) + 49.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.65
12 81.8% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 18.2% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 3.97
13 83.9% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 16.1% Lezgins (Behar) @ 4.06
14 86% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 14% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.07
15 85% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 15% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 4.1
16 86% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 14% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 4.11
17 50.4% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 49.6% Dusadh (Metspalu) @ 4.16
18 52.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) + 47.2% Kol (Metspalu) @ 4.21
19 60.7% Iyengar (Dodecad) + 39.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.23
20 84.9% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 15.1% Turks (Behar) @ 4.28
4-oracles
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 35.58
2 Gedrosia 33.98
3 North_European 13.81
4 Caucasus 8.35
5 East_Asian 3.29
6 Siberian 2.58
7 Atlantic_Med 1.71
Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu @ 10.766574
2 Jatt_Dodecad @ 13.939159
3 Burusho_HGDP @ 15.246016
4 Kshatriya_Metspalu @ 15.342402
5 Meena_Metspalu @ 16.338192
6 Pathan_HGDP @ 16.897318
7 Cochin_Jews_Behar @ 17.509113
8 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu_Metspalu @ 17.695791
9 Indian_Dodecad @ 18.387716
10 Sindhi_HGDP @ 20.034798
11 Iyer_Dodecad @ 20.194609
12 Iyengar_Dodecad @ 20.577244
13 Bnei_Menashe_Jews_Behar @ 21.230162
14 Lambadi_Metspalu @ 21.790956
15 Bengali_Metspalu @ 21.964224
16 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal_Metspalu @ 22.998493
17 Tharus_Metspalu @ 23.384943
18 Kurmi_Metspalu @ 23.582106
19 GIH30_Dodecad @ 23.889509
20 Meghawal_Metspalu @ 24.240927
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Tajiks_Yunusbayev +50% Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste_Metspalu @ 3.904569
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu +25% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu +25% Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 2.840277
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++
1 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 2.840277
2 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 2.872013
3 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Chamar_Metspalu + Pathan_HGDP + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 2.898745
4 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Lambadi_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 2.938402
5 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Chenchus_Metspalu + Pathan_HGDP + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 2.994882
6 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Kshatriya_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.006846
7 Jatt_Dodecad + MALAYAN_Behar + Pathan_HGDP + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.010506
8 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Kol_Metspalu + Pathan_HGDP + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.062386
9 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Burusho_HGDP + Kol_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.114054
10 Burusho_HGDP + Jatt_Dodecad + MALAYAN_Behar + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.125392
11 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Kshatriya_Metspalu + Turkmens_Yunusbayev @ 3.157256
12 Bengali_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.212748
13 Jatt_Dodecad + Jatt_Dodecad + MALAYAN_Behar + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.230081
14 Iyengar_Dodecad + Jatt_Dodecad + Kanjars_Metspalu + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 3.306232
15 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.318739
16 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Iyengar_Dodecad + Meena_Metspalu + Nogais_Yunusbayev @ 3.325906
17 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Burusho_HGDP + Chamar_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.327840
18 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev + Tharus_Metspalu @ 3.345255
19 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Pathan_HGDP + SAKILLI_Behar + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.388255
20 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Hakkipikki_Metspalu + Pathan_HGDP + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.469519
Lucas
01-19-2021, 02:12 PM
If there are kits of Druzes (not academic)?
If there are kits of Druzes (not academic)?
We don't have a Druze average for K12b, I agree it would be a good addition.
By the way, Luke, please share Lezgins and Kumyks if you really have 'em, would be greatly appreciated. :) Only if they are not by Behar though.
Kaazi
01-19-2021, 03:09 PM
Gautam - Bahun/ Nepali Brahmin. SNPs used in this evaluation: 47298.
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 35.19
2 Gedrosia 34.77
3 North_European 14.76
4 Caucasus 6.6
5 East_Asian 3.54
6 Siberian 2.29
7 Atlantic_Med 1.64
8 Southwest_Asian 1.22
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) 9.87
2 Jatt (Dodecad) 11.95
3 Burusho (HGDP) 13.98
4 Kshatriya (Metspalu) 14.48
5 Pathan (HGDP) 15.54
6 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) 16.86
7 Cochin_Jews (Behar) 17.06
8 Indian (Dodecad) 17.41
9 Sindhi (HGDP) 17.77
10 Iyer (Dodecad) 18.88
11 Iyengar (Dodecad) 19.33
12 Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) 20.72
13 Tharus (Metspalu) 22.68
14 GIH30 (Dodecad) 22.72
15 Dharkars (Metspalu) 23.31
16 INS30 (SGVP) 23.34
17 Muslim (Metspalu) 23.4
18 Kanjars (Metspalu) 23.8
19 Velamas (Metspalu) 27.07
20 Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) 29.07
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.1% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 24.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 1.53
2 79.4% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 20.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 3.01
3 67.5% Kshatriya (Metspalu) + 32.5% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.13
4 55.4% Kanjars (Metspalu) + 44.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.3
5 82.2% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 17.8% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 3.68
6 84.3% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 15.7% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 3.68
7 56% Dharkars (Metspalu) + 44% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.92
8 55.9% Muslim (Metspalu) + 44.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.97
9 60.7% Iyengar (Dodecad) + 39.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.12
10 85.1% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 14.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.5
11 84.1% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 15.9% Uygur (HGDP) @ 4.66
12 85.1% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 14.9% Lezgins (Behar) @ 4.77
13 60.3% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 39.7% Burusho (HGDP) @ 4.77
14 50.4% Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) + 49.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.82
15 83.6% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 16.4% Hazara (HGDP) @ 4.85
16 56% INS30 (SGVP) + 44% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.93
17 84.7% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 15.3% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 5.03
18 56.8% Tharus (Metspalu) + 43.2% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.05
19 86.4% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 13.6% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.11
20 84.2% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) + 15.8% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 5.14
4-oracles
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 35.19
2 Gedrosia 34.77
3 North_European 14.76
4 Caucasus 6.60
5 East_Asian 3.54
6 Siberian 2.29
7 Atlantic_Med 1.64
8 Southwest_Asian 1.22
Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.
--------------------------------
Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu @ 10.355779
2 Jatt_Dodecad @ 12.803499
3 Burusho_HGDP @ 14.768745
4 Kshatriya_Metspalu @ 15.274106
5 Meena_Metspalu @ 15.895416
6 Pathan_HGDP @ 16.618101
7 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu_Metspalu @ 17.918631
8 Cochin_Jews_Behar @ 18.161779
9 Indian_Dodecad @ 18.508446
10 Sindhi_HGDP @ 19.287792
11 Iyer_Dodecad @ 20.103975
12 Iyengar_Dodecad @ 20.486145
13 Bengali_Metspalu @ 22.512508
14 Lambadi_Metspalu @ 22.522581
15 Bnei_Menashe_Jews_Behar @ 22.705904
16 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal_Metspalu @ 23.150072
17 Tharus_Metspalu @ 23.924513
18 Kurmi_Metspalu @ 24.009365
19 GIH30_Dodecad @ 24.073885
20 Meghawal_Metspalu @ 24.539522
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Kanjars_Metspalu +50% Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 4.665963
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu +25% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu +25% Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 1.557307
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++
1 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 1.557307
2 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Kshatriya_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 2.221039
3 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.052139
4 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Indian_Dodecad + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.104198
5 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Iyengar_Dodecad + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.115798
6 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Jatt_Dodecad + Muslim_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.333446
7 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Iyer_Dodecad + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.402660
8 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Kshatriya_Metspalu + Kshatriya_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.437324
9 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Jatt_Dodecad + Tajiks_Yunusbayev + Tharus_Metspalu @ 3.440603
10 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Jatt_Dodecad + Kanjars_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.461159
11 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Jatt_Dodecad + Tajiks_Yunusbayev + Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste_Metspalu @ 3.543127
12 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Burusho_HGDP + Kol_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.552268
13 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Meena_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.559622
14 Bengali_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.582397
15 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Dusadh_Metspalu + Jatt_Dodecad + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.616412
16 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Lambadi_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.622694
17 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Kol_Metspalu + Pathan_HGDP + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.673949
18 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Burusho_HGDP + Tajiks_Yunusbayev + Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste_Metspalu @ 3.682560
19 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Jatt_Dodecad + Kol_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.702785
20 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh_Metspalu + Jatt_Dodecad + Kurmi_Metspalu + Tajiks_Yunusbayev @ 3.714131
Sterling Archer
01-19-2021, 06:12 PM
I hope this was not already posted.
Azerbaijani from the Republic:
https://i.imgur.com/FnArJLK.png
Dr_Maul
01-19-2021, 06:15 PM
I hope this was not already posted.
Azerbaijani from the Republic:
https://i.imgur.com/FnArJLK.png
Has to be Dagestani or mixed (probably Lezgin/N Caucasus considering elevated N Euro)
even I have the same amount of Asian as this guy
Dr_Maul
01-19-2021, 06:25 PM
This guy is a Turkish cypriot but his results are probably extremely typical or recent immigrant
Population
Gedrosia 14.47 Pct
Siberian 6.95 Pct
Northwest_African 1.29 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 13.83 Pct
North_European 11.46 Pct
South_Asian 1.66 Pct
East_African 1.06 Pct
Southwest_Asian 9.45 Pct
East_Asian 4.07 Pct
Caucasus 35.76 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Target: Musa
Distance: 0.6667% / 0.66671033 | ADC: 0.25x RC
56.8 Turk_Southwest
19.1 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.9 Ingush
4.1 Dolgan
4.1 Sardinian
3.0 Italian_Sicily
2.4 Balkan_Gypsy
1.7 Turk_East
0.9 Sandawe_He
Distance to: Musa
2.33026408 5.40% Iranian + 94.60% Turk_Southwest
2.33278604 4.00% Georgian_Adjara + 96.00% Turk_Southwest
2.34457947 93.80% Turk_Southwest + 6.20% Udi_Azerbaijan
2.34842424 3.80% Georgian_Turkey + 96.20% Turk_Southwest
2.35014607 7.20% Turk_East + 92.80% Turk_Southwest
2.35424075 93.80% Turk_Southwest + 6.20% Zaza
2.35443319 5.80% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 94.20% Turk_Southwest
2.35455483 6.60% Kurd_Kurmanji + 93.40% Turk_Southwest
2.35594791 4.00% Iran_Mazandaran + 96.00% Turk_Southwest
2.35761325 4.20% Georgian + 95.80% Turk_Southwest
2.36170933 3.60% Georgian_Imereti + 96.40% Turk_Southwest
2.36214062 4.60% Turk_Ahiska + 95.40% Turk_Southwest
2.36713809 5.60% Kurd_Adygea + 94.40% Turk_Southwest
2.37132075 94.20% Turk_Southwest + 5.80% Yazidi
2.37193548 3.80% Laz + 96.20% Turk_Southwest
2.37212211 4.80% Lur_Iran + 95.20% Turk_Southwest
2.37462827 3.20% Georgian_Mingrelian + 96.80% Turk_Southwest
2.37722021 3.40% Georgian_Svan + 96.60% Turk_Southwest
2.37770560 3.80% Hemshin + 96.20% Turk_Southwest
2.37945712 8.80% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 91.20% Turk_Southwest
2.37985578 3.80% Abkhazian + 96.20% Turk_Southwest
2.38446542 3.40% Georgian_Gurian + 96.60% Turk_Southwest
2.39761158 4.80% Armenian_East + 95.20% Turk_Southwest
2.40498601 4.20% Turk_East_Black_Sea + 95.80% Turk_Southwest
2.40516191 12.60% Turk_Central_East + 87.40% Turk_Southwest
RatCat
01-19-2021, 06:35 PM
My latest match on gedmatch
Population
Gedrosia 17.58 Pct
Siberian 2.99 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.71 Pct
Atlantic_Med 3.4 Pct
North_European 18.96 Pct
South_Asian 2.01 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.9 Pct
East_Asian 3.79 Pct
Caucasus 45.66 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: JA
3.07527235 Karachay
3.35410197 Balkar
3.41086499 Kumyks
3.99096480 Circassian
4.33300127 Abazin
4.60628918 Ossetian
4.71232427 Adyghe
5.96304452 Kabardin
6.12205848 Ingush
7.11790700 Chechen
7.55287363 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
7.64468443 Ossetian_South
10.19454756 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.57995682 Qumuq
12.67084054 Abkhazian
13.61309664 Lak
13.96416127 Lezgin
14.54538071 Kubachi_Dagestan
14.88778022 Georgian
15.26350222 Kaitag_Dagestan
15.36169912 Azerbaijani_Turkey
15.47019069 Avar
15.62968650 Tabasaran
15.75850881 Turk_Ahiska
15.76952758 Udi_Azerbaijan
Target: JA
Distance: 1.7641% / 1.76411101 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.4 Balkar
43.7 Kumyks
7.5 Georgian_Gurian
2.4 BONDA
Target: JA
Distance: 2.0754% / 2.07536854 | ADC: 0.5x RC
63.4 Kumyks
34.4 Balkar
2.2 BONDA
What is BONDA?
Sterling Archer
01-19-2021, 06:35 PM
Has to be Dagestani or mixed (probably Lezgin/N Caucasus considering elevated N Euro)
even I have the same amount of Asian as this guy
It is fairly common mix for Azeris, as Caucasus people have played an important part in Azerbaijanis formation. Also, NE is not that elevated for northern Azeris. For example, average NE for Azeri_Dagestan is around 16%. For Qax-Zaqatala it is 17%. So 13% is on the lower end of the northern spectrum.
Also worth noting that Asian component is not uniform across the republic. I have seen Azeris with even less EA.
This person is definitely not Dagestani. As for the mixed part, well, there is no "pure" Azeri. Everybody is mixed.
Southern parts of the republic have mixed more with Persian, Kurds so are Iranian shifted.
Northern parts have mixed more with Caucasian people so are more Dagestani shifted.
And then there is western parts, which has the highest Asian admixture.
Sterling Archer
01-19-2021, 06:38 PM
Double
New result from Azerbaijan Republic:
Gedrosian: 21.42
Siberian: 1.08
Northwest_African: 1.11
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 6.86
North_European: 8.37
South_Asian: 3.51
East_African: 0.07
Southwest_Asian: 12.34
East_Asian: 5.32
Caucasian: 39.91
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
My latest match on gedmatch
What is BONDA?
Apparently that's an Austroasiatic tribe from Eastern India.
Some mixed Turk (partially Balkan?). Kaspias may know him
Kit number: A507571
Gedrosia 15.27 Pct
Siberian 7.33 Pct
Northwest_African 1.38 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 16.19 Pct
North_European 18.15 Pct
South_Asian 1.75 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.27 Pct
East_Asian 2.38 Pct
Caucasus 28.28 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Iraz
7.98154120 Turk_Northwest
8.20278611 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
10.35562649 Turk_Southwest
11.18648291 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.89668021 Turk_Trakya
13.02064131 Turk_Central_West
13.79863399 Turk_South
14.78655132 Greek_Lemnos
14.86136939 Turk_Deliorman
15.70946530 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
Target: Iraz
Distance: 1.2676% / 1.26762130 | ADC: 0.25x RC
28.0 Yagnobi
23.6 Italian_Sicily
21.1 Turk_Northwest
19.9 Turk_Trakya
4.7 Dolgan
2.7 Saudi
Target: Iraz
Distance: 1.4222% / 1.42218132 | R3P
40.3 Italian_Lazio
39.5 Kurd_Adygea
20.2 Tatar_Zabolotniye
I've noticed that this new Reduce function tends to give smaller distances.
Mejgusu
01-19-2021, 07:20 PM
Apparently that's an Austroasiatic tribe from Eastern India.
Do Austroasiatic people have SSA or are they basically South/East Asian?
Do Austroasiatic people have SSA or are they basically South/East Asian?
They don't have SSA. Just superficially similar sometimes.
Dr_Maul
01-19-2021, 08:05 PM
Interesting, Atypical Jordanian
Population
Gedrosia 12.62 Pct
Siberian 1.04 Pct
Northwest_African 3.87 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 17.2 Pct
North_European -
South_Asian -
East_African 6.92 Pct
Southwest_Asian 22.54 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 35.76 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Target: Allami
Distance: 2.5608% / 2.56075475
66.5 Iraqi_Jew
15.2 Sardinian
10.3 Somali
5.4 Kuwait2
1.0 Saudi
0.9 Syrian_SW_Christian
0.5 Yukagir
0.2 Coptic
Persian-speaking Afghan from Logar, paternally Pashtun, maternally Tajik
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Logar_in_Afghanistan.svg/640px-Logar_in_Afghanistan.svg.png
R-Z93
G2b1a
Gedrosia 32.39
Siberian 3.76
Northwest_African 0.67
Southeast_Asian 2.9
Atlantic_Med 4.28
North_European 16.2
South_Asian 17.02
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.71
East_Asian 2.81
Caucasus 17.65
Sub_Saharan 0.6
Distance to: Logar_Pashtun-Tajik
5.92770613 Tajik_Kabul
5.98961601 Pashtun_Kandahar
7.62743732 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
7.69977272 Pamiri_Ishkashim
8.09505405 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
8.30868822 Pashtun_Tarkalani
8.75022857 Kho
9.92181435 Pashtun_Yusafzai
10.86763084 Tajik_Herat
11.25251527 Pamiri_Shughnan
Target: Logar_Pashtun-Tajik
Distance: 1.8383% / 1.83825822 | ADC: 0.5x RC
35.3 Pamiri_Ishkashim
32.3 Tajik_Kabul
17.0 Pashtun_Kandahar
12.2 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
3.2 Cambodians
Target: Logar_Pashtun-Tajik
Distance: 2.1209% / 2.12086758 | R3P
51.0 Yagnobi
30.1 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
18.9 Bangladeshi
Distance to: Logar_Pashtun-Tajik
2.89732671 53.60% Pashtun_Yusafzai + 46.40% Tajik_Lowland
3.00654263 24.00% Meena + 76.00% Tajik_Lowland
3.04200803 16.20% Lipka_Tatar + 83.80% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
3.18252913 41.00% PAK_Kohistani + 59.00% Tajik_Lowland
3.18519919 59.40% Pashtun_Uthmankhel + 40.60% Tajik_Lowland
3.20497986 17.00% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe + 83.00% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
3.35448644 58.40% Pashtun_Yusafzai + 41.60% Tajik_Mountain
3.38435773 14.60% Bashkir_Central + 85.40% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
3.40365759 64.00% Pashtun_Uthmankhel + 36.00% Tajik_Mountain
3.42627806 22.40% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu + 77.60% Tajik_Lowland
Mejgusu
01-19-2021, 10:24 PM
We definitely need more samples from the Gulf. I saw some in the Harrapworld thread(btw i still don’t understand why nomansmen is banned, he was a nice and clever guy) and they were diverse.
Southern Iranian result with high Subsaharan component. I am thinking half Fars half Bandari or something else with a high african percentage like Ahvaz arabs
Gedrosia 25.22 Pct
Siberian 2.17 Pct
Northwest_African 1.57 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 3.81 Pct
North_European 6.63 Pct
South_Asian 5.3 Pct
East_African 2.56 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.61 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 34.03 Pct
Sub_Saharan 4.1 Pct
Target: k
Distance: 1.8596% / 1.85955566 | ADC: 0.25x RC
37.7 Iranian_Fars
27.1 Iran_Mazandaran
23.1 Iran_Arab
5.7 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
4.6 Luhya
1.8 Dolgan
His mother's results are pretty typical Fars results potentially a bit of qashqai heritage but i am not sure.
Gedrosia 25.82 Pct
Siberian 2.48 Pct
Northwest_African 1.43 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.37 Pct
North_European 7.72 Pct
South_Asian 7.24 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.57 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 36.36 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Target: m
Distance: 2.7393% / 2.73929226 | ADC: 0.5x RC
38.1 Iraq_Turkmen
24.8 Parsi_India
19.7 Iranian_Fars
17.4 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
Persian from Kazerun (Fars):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/IranFars-SVG.svg/250px-IranFars-SVG.svg.png
Gedrosian: 30.25
Siberian: 0.68
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 6.83
North_European: 5.70
South_Asian: 5.36
East_African: 1.54
Southwest_Asian: 13.87
East_Asian: 0.80
Caucasian: 34.98
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Distance to: Iran_Kazerun
3.60636937 Iranian_Fars
4.36848944 Iran_Central
4.55298803 Iran_C_East
5.70825718 Lur_Iran
6.46577915 Iranian
6.54896938 Yazidi
7.41114701 Iran_Khorasan
7.41114701 Iran_Khorasan
7.68012370 Kurd_Sorani
7.95839808 Iran_Mazandaran
8.09211962 Kurd_Adygea
8.74547883 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.18836765 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.76480927 Iraq_Turkmen
10.36600212 Zaza
10.63619293 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.89886129 Azerbaijani
12.91022850 Parsi_India
13.02544049 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.24920349 Iraqi_Baghdad
14.36519405 Turk_Southeast
14.67294108 Iran_Bandari
15.55268787 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
15.61323477 Udi_Azerbaijan
15.72216588 Iran_Arab
Target: Iran_Kazerun
Distance: 1.7328% / 1.73277732 | ADC: 0.25x RC
40.4 Yazidi
31.4 Lur_Iran
17.3 Balochi
10.9 Iran_C_East
Kaspias
01-21-2021, 09:10 AM
Some mixed Turk (partially Balkan?). Kaspias may know him
Kit number: A507571
Gedrosia 15.27 Pct
Siberian 7.33 Pct
Northwest_African 1.38 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 16.19 Pct
North_European 18.15 Pct
South_Asian 1.75 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.27 Pct
East_Asian 2.38 Pct
Caucasus 28.28 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Iraz
7.98154120 Turk_Northwest
8.20278611 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
10.35562649 Turk_Southwest
11.18648291 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.89668021 Turk_Trakya
13.02064131 Turk_Central_West
13.79863399 Turk_South
14.78655132 Greek_Lemnos
14.86136939 Turk_Deliorman
15.70946530 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
Target: Iraz
Distance: 1.2676% / 1.26762130 | ADC: 0.25x RC
28.0 Yagnobi
23.6 Italian_Sicily
21.1 Turk_Northwest
19.9 Turk_Trakya
4.7 Dolgan
2.7 Saudi
Target: Iraz
Distance: 1.4222% / 1.42218132 | R3P
40.3 Italian_Lazio
39.5 Kurd_Adygea
20.2 Tatar_Zabolotniye
I've noticed that this new Reduce function tends to give smaller distances.
1/4 Tatar from Deliorman 1/4 Turk from Deliorman other 1/2 is from Tunceli, I don't know the ethnicity. Seems like either Zaza or Kurdish though.
New Iranian Azerbaijani result:
Gedrosian: 22.67
Siberian: 2.14
Northwest_African: 1.74
Southeast_Asian: 0.19
Atlantic_Med: 8.30
North_European: 9.20
South_Asian: 2.04
East_African: 0.19
Southwest_Asian: 11.61
East_Asian: 4.26
Caucasian: 37.84
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Distance to: Iranian_Azerbaijani
2.51775694 Azerbaijani_Iran
2.75775271 Azerbaijani
3.99787444 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.48444163 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.93455137 Turk_Southeast
6.37577446 Yazidi
6.47911259 Zaza
6.54688476 Kurd_Adygea
6.73116632 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.22070634 Kurd_Sorani
7.32363298 Iraq_Turkmen
8.60027907 Turk_Central_East
8.66808514 Turk_South
8.96881263 Iranian
9.07676154 Iranian_Fars
9.20468902 Lur_Iran
9.64202261 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.80455506 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.10592401 Turk_East
10.10711630 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.12378388 Iran_Khorasan
10.18368794 Turk_Central_West
11.84399004 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.12389376 Turk_Southwest
12.33641763 Turk_West_BlackSea
Target: Iranian_Azerbaijani
Distance: 1.8740% / 1.87402541 | ADC: 0.5x RC
78.6 Azerbaijani_Iran
15.1 Azerbaijani
6.3 Tajik_Mountain
Interesting Iranian result (assumingly from Alborz):
Gedrosian: 21.03
Siberian: 0.87
Northwest_African: 0.74
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.18
North_European: 12.37
South_Asian: 2.85
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 12.39
East_Asian: 5.03
Caucasian: 34.89
Sub_Saharan: 0.66
Distance to: Sab
5.32066725 Azerbaijani
6.76876651 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.88611647 Turk_Southeast
7.32500512 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.49930585 Turk_South
9.23180372 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.38988285 Turk_Central_East
9.39099569 Turk_Central_West
9.97948896 Yazidi
10.02650986 Iraq_Turkmen
10.05904071 Kurd_Sorani
10.29212806 Iran_Khorasan
10.40738200 Zaza
10.49013346 Turk_Southwest
10.52786778 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.54127127 Kurd_Adygea
10.70915963 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.82534526 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.98814361 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.04581821 Iranian_Fars
11.93904100 Turk_Northwest
12.92222504 Iranian
12.93057230 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.99249784 Lur_Iran
13.03612673 Turk_East
Target: Sab
Distance: 2.0680% / 2.06804271 | ADC: 0.25x RC
69.4 Azerbaijani
16.4 Iran_Khorasan
6.9 Iraqi_Arab
5.6 Latvian
1.7 Japanese
Cool, the Azeri looks like he could be from the North and the Iranian may have genuine European by some chance.
Nomad
01-21-2021, 11:55 AM
Cool, the Azeri looks like he could be from the North and the Iranian may have genuine European by some chance.
Yep,what Turkic group is the most mixed group by your opinion?
Cool, the Azeri looks like he could be from the North and the Iranian may have genuine European by some chance.
Judging from his East Asian the 2nd might be Azeri too. Alborz is 36.1% Azerbaijani-speaking officialy (although it's not as commonly used anymore I think)
Yep,what Turkic group is the most mixed group by your opinion?
Why are you asking me this question out of the blue? I can't even answer it because it's pretty dubious.
Nomad
01-21-2021, 12:09 PM
Why are you asking me this question out of the blue? I can't even answer it because it's pretty dubious.
edited to question :) which Turkic subgroup is the most mixed group by your opinion?
I asked that because Russian people are living with all Turkic groups from Turks into Sakha people in their country and if you have a chance maybe you can meet different Turkic persons from different groups and lands in Russia.
edited to question :) which Turkic subgroup is the most mixed group by your opinion?
I asked that because Russian people are living with all Turkic groups from Turks into Sakha people in their country and if you have a chance maybe you can meet different Turkic persons from different groups and lands in Russia.
What do you mean by mixed? Turkics have never been homogeneous being largely mobile and nomadic. The Yakuts are heavily Tungusic or something like.
Nomad
01-21-2021, 12:25 PM
What do you mean by mixed? Turkics have never been homogeneous being largely mobile and nomadic. The Yakuts are heavily Tungusic or something like.
Facial phenotypes by your opinion.
What do you mean by mixed? Turkics have never been homogeneous being largely mobile and nomadic. The Yakuts are heavily Tungusic or something like.
Yakuts are less Turkic than Anatolian Turks or about the same amount, I guess. Because they're too much more Mongoloid(90%) than ancient Turkics. Indeed an article about them said they're Gokturks who migrated to Eastern Siberia and heavily mixed with Tungusic & Samoyedic peoples. It seems to be most likely true.
Ancient Turkic samples are about 25%-60% Mongoloid. Yakuts are too much Mongoloid & Turks are too much less than ancient Turkics. But might be wrong also. Correct me if I'm wrong
Facial phenotypes by your opinion.
Turkmens(not mainly Iranid-admixed ones), Uyghurs & some Uzbeks are what come across my mind about "Ancient/proto Turkics". Shortly; they were sort of Eurasian-looking, I guess
Dr_Maul
01-21-2021, 12:56 PM
Proto Turks probably about 50% Mongoloid OR 100% Mongoloid OR 0%.
TBH, I don't think it matters because the Turkic descent in various parts of the world is not from Proto Turks, its from Medieval Turks. And those are generally around 40-60%
Let's not start this discussion again right here. It's pretty much pointless.
Persian:
today I have found two of the highest North-Euro scores of ethnic Iranians to date lol
Gedrosian: 24.45
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 2.36
Southeast_Asian: 1.08
Atlantic_Med: 5.50
North_European: 12.53
South_Asian: 6.02
East_African: 0.22
Southwest_Asian: 10.09
East_Asian: 0.28
Caucasian: 37.47
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Distance to: Persian
6.96071835 Iran_Central
7.83078540 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.11666804 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.20392589 Iran_Khorasan
8.28014493 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.67503314 Azerbaijani
8.70777813 Iranian_Fars
8.72634517 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.78156592 Yazidi
8.80595821 Kurd_Adygea
8.92702638 Iran_C_East
9.27201165 Kurd_Sorani
9.54188661 Iranian
9.55981171 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.61022893 Zaza
10.67402455 Iraq_Turkmen
10.78162789 Lur_Iran
11.16981199 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
11.69803830 Turk_Southeast
11.97436428 Iran_Mazandaran
12.18942985 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.75103133 Lezgin
13.11740066 Ingush
13.89994245 Turk_Central_East
13.92761286 Qumuq
Target: Persian
Distance: 2.3034% / 2.30344519 | ADC: 0.25x RC
61.1 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
20.6 Kurd_Sorani
13.9 Parsi_India
2.4 Algerian
2.0 Dhurwa
Sterling Archer
01-21-2021, 04:30 PM
Persian:
today I have found two of the highest North-Euro scores of ethnic Iranians to date lol
Gedrosian: 24.45
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 2.36
Southeast_Asian: 1.08
Atlantic_Med: 5.50
North_European: 12.53
South_Asian: 6.02
East_African: 0.22
Southwest_Asian: 10.09
East_Asian: 0.28
Caucasian: 37.47
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Distance to: Persian
6.96071835 Iran_Central
7.83078540 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.11666804 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.20392589 Iran_Khorasan
Target: Persian
Distance: 2.3034% / 2.30344519 | ADC: 0.25x RC
61.1 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
20.6 Kurd_Sorani
13.9 Parsi_India
2.4 Algerian
2.0 Dhurwa
NE score is so high that the algorithm still matches him/her with Azeris, even though there is next to no mongoloid component. Very interesting. Does this person have any ancestors who had migrated from Azerbaijan(republic)?
NE score is so high that the algorithm still matches him/her with Azeris, even though there is next to no mongoloid component. Very interesting. Does this person have any ancestors who had migrated from Azerbaijan(republic)?
Not that I'm aware of. I don't know from where he is exactly unfortunately.
On the previous site I posted a similar high North Euro result from Alborz region who is potentially Azeri. Check it out.
Sterling Archer
01-21-2021, 04:54 PM
Not that I'm aware of. I don't know from where he is exactly unfortunately.
On the previous site I posted a similar high North Euro result from Alborz region who is potentially Azeri. Check it out.
Wow, how did I miss that? )) Yeah, both results look Azeri to me, what with top matches being Azeris. Of course he/she might not identify as one. That combination of high NE and (relatively) high EA seems to be very typical of Azerbaijanis. Although, I would have expected the second one to be from the republic.
In this case though high NE is not matched with EA admixture. Even North Caucasus people like Chechen who have high NE typically score EA similar to Azeris, here though it is absent. That is why I thought maybe he had ancestors who migrated from northern Azerbaijan/Dagestan and settled in Iran. Over the year EA would have been diluted.
I have read about cases when Azeris from Dagestan settled in Iran, so it is possible.
Sterling Archer
01-21-2021, 05:02 PM
Speaking of high NE, here is the result of an Azerbaijani (both parents are azeris) from Ilisu, Azerbaijan.
https://i.imgur.com/1G9JoTR.jpg
Georgians (reactivated kits, previously unavailable). I have another large Georgian account, will be processing those kits later
#1
Gedrosia 19.24 Pct
Siberian 1.13 Pct
Northwest_African 0.28 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.06 Pct
Atlantic_Med 3.32 Pct
North_European 11.07 Pct
South_Asian 0.17 Pct
East_African 0.08 Pct
Southwest_Asian 7.84 Pct
East_Asian 0.44 Pct
Caucasus 56.36 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Ani
3.35819892 Abkhazian
3.37924548 Georgian
3.52423041 Georgian_Gurian
4.53533902 Georgian_Svan
5.12870354 Georgian_Imereti
5.73767374 Georgian_Mingrelian
6.44806172 Turk_Ahiska
7.22382862 Georgian_Turkey
8.55595115 Ossetian_South
8.64647905 Georgian_Adjara
Target: Ani
Distance: 1.4242% / 1.42421160 | ADC: 0.5x RC
48.9 Georgian_Gurian
47.5 Abkhazian
3.6 Kuwait2
#2
R-L23
T2c1b
Gedrosia 18.55 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.75 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.44 Pct
North_European 9.7 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.3 Pct
Southwest_Asian 9.76 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 56.5 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Roman
3.39057517 Georgian
4.54172875 Georgian_Gurian
4.85564620 Georgian_Imereti
5.09393757 Turk_Ahiska
5.89180787 Abkhazian
5.90160995 Georgian_Turkey
6.57005327 Georgian_Mingrelian
6.86263798 Georgian_Svan
7.03861492 Laz
7.15366340 Georgian_Adjara
Target: Roman
Distance: 1.0755% / 1.07551118 | ADC: 0.25x RC
71.1 Georgian_Gurian
12.0 Georgian
10.7 Georgian_Imereti
6.2 Kuwait2
#3
Gedrosia 18.96 Pct
Siberian 0.36 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.08 Pct
North_European 8.55 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.08 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.72 Pct
East_Asian 1.2 Pct
Caucasus 61.04 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: David
1.41255088 Georgian_Mingrelian
2.59557315 Georgian_Imereti
3.33904178 Georgian_Gurian
4.53405999 Georgian_Svan
5.56895861 Georgian_Turkey
6.70417034 Georgian
6.96267190 Georgian_Adjara
6.97169276 Abkhazian
8.82066891 Laz
9.56565209 Turk_Ahiska
Target: David
Distance: 1.1297% / 1.12974278
86.5 Georgian_Mingrelian
13.5 Georgian_Turkey
RatCat
01-21-2021, 06:15 PM
Hemshin results
Population
Gedrosia 17.85 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.62 Pct
North_European 2.21 Pct
South_Asian 1.67 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.81 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 56.85 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: **
3.03945719 Hemshin
3.74857306 Laz
5.08129905 Georgian_Adjara
5.21605215 Greek_Pontus
5.35778872 Turk_East_Black_Sea
6.31643095 Georgian_Turkey
7.93452582 Turk_Ahiska
8.53433067 Armenian_East
9.07279450 Armenian_West
9.35736074 Georgian_Imereti
9.75948257 Georgian
11.77699452 Georgian_Gurian
12.10671301 Georgian_Mingrelian
12.19608954 Assyrian_North
12.38856731 Assyrian_West
12.50838918 Azeri_Jew
12.60994845 Turk_East
12.69321472 Assyrian_South
12.97127210 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.86353851 Abkhazian
14.31550558 Georgian_Svan
15.22936309 Greek_Cappadocia
15.60460189 Kurdish_Jew
15.90698274 Iranian_Jew
16.35824563 Iraqi_Jew
Target: **
Distance: 2.2965% / 2.29653898 | ADC: 0.25x RC
57.7 Georgian_Adjara
29.7 Greek_Pontus
11.9 Assyrian_South
0.7 Pulliyar
Target: **
Distance: 2.5992% / 2.59919982 | ADC: 0.5x RC
46.8 Hemshin
37.7 Georgian_Adjara
15.5 Assyrian_North
Some Pamiri (not new but recently reactivated). His Med is very high but other components don't indicate mixed ancestry, so that's probably all Aryanic
Gedrosia 31.19 Pct
Siberian 6.23 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.26 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.22 Pct
North_European 20.87 Pct
South_Asian 7.67 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.06 Pct
East_Asian 3.95 Pct
Caucasus 19.54 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: axel
5.31214646 Pamiri_Rushan
5.50505223 Tajik_Lowland
5.61247717 Pamiri_Shughnan
5.68164589 Yagnobi
6.60589888 Tajik_Mountain
8.24745415 Pamiri_Ishkashim
12.29492578 Tajik_Herat
13.41123037 Pashtun_Kandahar
15.20568644 Tajik_Kabul
15.72897962 Turkmen_TM
Target: axel
Distance: 1.3353% / 1.33532193 | ADC: 0.25x RC
58.2 Yagnobi
21.1 Pamiri_Rushan
10.3 Burusho
4.6 Tajik_Mountain
2.9 Spanish_Basque
2.9 Yukagir
Target: axel
Distance: 2.2629% / 2.26291492 | R3P
82.4 Yagnobi
8.8 Altaian_Chelkan
8.8 Sindhi
Distance to: axel
2.91170704 57.20% Pamiri_Rushan + 42.80% Tajik_Mountain
2.98120388 77.80% Pamiri_Rushan + 22.20% Turkmen_TM
3.08379377 80.00% Pamiri_Rushan + 20.00% Turkmen_Iran
3.28855562 82.20% Pamiri_Rushan + 17.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.39380968 56.00% Pamiri_Shughnan + 44.00% Tajik_Mountain
3.40650768 77.40% Pamiri_Shughnan + 22.60% Turkmen_TM
3.42066034 51.40% Pamiri_Rushan + 48.60% Tajik_Lowland
3.46056924 87.40% Pamiri_Shughnan + 12.60% Turk_Central_Black_Sea
3.49090670 86.20% Pamiri_Shughnan + 13.80% Turk_Southwest
3.53212994 86.80% Pamiri_Shughnan + 13.20% Turk_South
Some Pamiri (not new but recently reactivated). His Med is very high but other components don't indicate mixed ancestry, so that's probably all Aryanic
Gedrosia 31.19 Pct
Siberian 6.23 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.26 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.22 Pct
North_European 20.87 Pct
South_Asian 7.67 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.06 Pct
East_Asian 3.95 Pct
Caucasus 19.54 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: axel
5.31214646 Pamiri_Rushan
5.50505223 Tajik_Lowland
5.61247717 Pamiri_Shughnan
5.68164589 Yagnobi
6.60589888 Tajik_Mountain
8.24745415 Pamiri_Ishkashim
12.29492578 Tajik_Herat
13.41123037 Pashtun_Kandahar
15.20568644 Tajik_Kabul
15.72897962 Turkmen_TM
Target: axel
Distance: 1.3353% / 1.33532193 | ADC: 0.25x RC
58.2 Yagnobi
21.1 Pamiri_Rushan
10.3 Burusho
4.6 Tajik_Mountain
2.9 Spanish_Basque
2.9 Yukagir
Target: axel
Distance: 2.2629% / 2.26291492 | R3P
82.4 Yagnobi
8.8 Altaian_Chelkan
8.8 Sindhi
Distance to: axel
2.91170704 57.20% Pamiri_Rushan + 42.80% Tajik_Mountain
2.98120388 77.80% Pamiri_Rushan + 22.20% Turkmen_TM
3.08379377 80.00% Pamiri_Rushan + 20.00% Turkmen_Iran
3.28855562 82.20% Pamiri_Rushan + 17.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.39380968 56.00% Pamiri_Shughnan + 44.00% Tajik_Mountain
3.40650768 77.40% Pamiri_Shughnan + 22.60% Turkmen_TM
3.42066034 51.40% Pamiri_Rushan + 48.60% Tajik_Lowland
3.46056924 87.40% Pamiri_Shughnan + 12.60% Turk_Central_Black_Sea
3.49090670 86.20% Pamiri_Shughnan + 13.80% Turk_Southwest
3.53212994 86.80% Pamiri_Shughnan + 13.20% Turk_South
It just occurred to me this calculator is not balanced well because there are 3 components very relevant to W. Asians; Caucasian, SW Asian, and Atlantic-Med, but for C Asians there’s only Gedrosian and maybe S Indian a little.
This calculator could have been made a little more balanced by adding another C Asian component such as Tajik or Persian. What do you think would happen to the Siberian, E Asian, SE Asian, S Indian scores of Pamiri if a Persian or Tajik component was added to this calculator?
That’s why a 1-to-1 population comparison is more informative because it’s not affected by what components the calculator uses
Impaler
01-22-2021, 12:52 AM
It just occurred to me this calculator is not balanced well because there are 3 components very relevant to W. Asians; Caucasian, SW Asian, and Atlantic-Med, but for C Asians there’s only Gedrosian and maybe S Indian a little.
This calculator could have been made a little more balanced by adding another C Asian component such as Tajik or Persian. What do you think would happen to the Siberian, E Asian, SE Asian, S Indian scores of Pamiri if a Persian or Tajik component was added to this calculator?
That’s why a 1-to-1 population comparison is more informative because it’s not affected by what components the calculator uses
What is in your opinion the most balanced calculator for West Asians/Central Asians?
What is in your opinion the most balanced calculator for West Asians/Central Asians?
I think all the ones on Gedmatch are European and W Asian heavy as far as components and Central Asian light. It might be that when those calculators were made there was a shortage of C Asian public samples and so they were made heavy with W Asian and European references.
The main issue with calculators that only have 1 C Asian component is that the S Asian/Siberian/E Asian will be exaggerated for C Asians in comparison to the S Asian/Siberian/E Asian for W Asians.
If you ever become interested in studying Admixture based calculators you'll see a big disclaimer by the creators of the Admixture software which basically says something like " it's assumed that the calculator references are the actual ancestral populations for the population being tested".
This assumption is not realistic in the case of a calculator based on modern references because those moderns are not the actual ancestral to the test subject in most cases therefore the results should be viewed with caution.
Back when those Gedmatch calculators were made there was a shortage of ancient DNA so moderns were used. Now though we have plenty of ancient samples which can be used to create calculators with truly ancestral populations and thus the results would be more informative.
Some Pamiri (not new but recently reactivated). His Med is very high but other components don't indicate mixed ancestry, so that's probably all Aryanic
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It's from Gorno Badakhshan
(btw i still don’t understand why nomansmen is banned, he was a nice and clever guy)
That motherfucker was banned for posting child porn. He is a sick piece of shit.
Hi, im nomansman and i have mainly made this account to adress this:
I have NEVER posted child porn before. Never done that. Thats BS. I dont know what leto is talking about
I fucking saw it with my own eyes. And it was Loki who banned you. Now I'm reporting you again. Leave this forum the fuck alone, you bastard.
HOW THE FUCK DID I POST THE CHILD PORN GARBAGE!?
Stop fucking lying. I think youre talking about the sick piece of shit who posted it, but it wasnt me!
Why the fuck are you lying???
I NEVER done that with ALL the accounts i made here. NEVER
Yet all of your accounts got banned. By Loki himself. Strange, isn't it? Now I want you to leave this thread and stop spamming. You don't belong here. We don't need pages of meaningless bullshit here.
The Lawspeaker
01-22-2021, 12:57 PM
Let's leave that to the Staff. Reported.
The Lawspeaker
01-22-2021, 01:01 PM
You're not making your case any easier, you know...
I got banned because i been confused for someone else, your lying fuck. 3 times(third time because he wanted to mess around). Reported by some assyrian guy(he admitted this himself in pms). 4th time because i came in fight with some armenian guy.
Never for posting child porn, your lying bitch. Stop making up lies
I saw a very disgusting picture and it was seemingly posted by you. Maybe, just maybe it got confused in the process of deletion.
You're not making your case any easier, you know...
Why are you chiming in? Are you a moderator or what?
The Lawspeaker
01-22-2021, 01:04 PM
Why are you chiming in? Are you a moderator or what?
Why I am chiming in ? I am just saying that Staff should look into it. I am perfectly neutral here.
The Lawspeaker
01-22-2021, 01:05 PM
You dont even know jackshit. Youre just picking his side because hes european and im not.
Of course im angry though.
I dont care about being banned. Im pissed because im wrongly accused of being a pedophile. You would be fucking angry too.
He knows i never done this shit before, but for some reason claimed me as pedophile. I came to make this adress and thats all.
Now stop making up shit
I am not making anything up, lad. Staff will be with you shortly, and they will hear your case.
That has nothing to do with being European or non-European. If anything, The Lawspeaker hates the Russians and thinks they are not European.
NEVER WITH ANY OF MY ACCOUNTS. NEVER ONCE.
You must be confusing me for the guy who came around and spammed the childporn.
I never posted any pics here even. Only twice(one in pm with the pic of that pamiri guy, which wasnt even him, and a low steppe iranian)...
Also pics of myself. But for fucks sake, i NEVER posted childporn here. Thats a load of BS. Stop making up shit, leto.
Then probably that might've been a glitch and another user's message was somehow put in your post. I will apologize if that wasn't you. Although I personally dislike sock puppet accounts and don't want them here either.
Great then. All i came here for was clearing up things. I dont care much if i get banned or not.
Just dont want to be accused for shit i havent done
That's okay. I shouldn't have mentioned you in the first place and let that stuff be brought up again. I hope it wasn't you and hope it won't happen again either.
Mejgusu
01-22-2021, 01:17 PM
Its time for a new thread, 89 pages are too much. Btw, someone should ask a mod for delete the last postings...
Trust me, it was def not me.
I dont even wanna post pics here, since this is an open forum, where everyone can see pics. Childporn much less so, which is disgusting
To be fair, I was very shocked back then because you had previously appeared on multiple forums and even showed your photo privately.
I will close this thread now for a time until Mods have deleted the last couple of posts
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