Why do some people keep telling that Southern Europeans are more Arabian-like?

[namelessuser]

Why do some people keep telling that Southern Europeans are more Arabian-North African-like than Northern Europeans are? It is clear that both Northern and Southern Europeans are equidistant to Arabians-North Africans.

[PaleoEuropean]

Because they are more Neolithic mixed.

[Chris596]

I bet that I'm more Caucasian/Anatolian like than Arabian, anyway we'll see what 23andme tells me.

[JamesBond007]

Why do some people keep telling that Southern Europeans are more Arabian-North African-like than Northern Europeans are? It is clear that both Northern and Southern Europeans are equidistant to Arabians-North Africans.

I've seen some Italians and Greeks who are Arab-like in phenotype but that does not necessarily reflect in the genotype and I also don't think this is necessarily a racist observation unless you think civilizations such as ancient Sumeria and the invention of Algebra by an Arab etc... are inferior achievements. I'm from New York plenty of Greeks and Italians here as well as everyone from around the world also while I have seen dark Greeks I think some (not all) of the Italians I have seen were more Arab-like but I'm not sure.

Some Arab-like Italian in Manhattan had the audacity to call me a 'white boy' implying he was not 'white'.

[Bender1999]

It depends on, there are definitively an overlap between South Europe and Levante, in rare cases with North Africa too but peninsula Arabs and most of North Africans cannot pass as South European. Arabs are diverse too, genetically and apparently.

[namelessuser]

Because they are more Neolithic mixed.

Neolithic Farmers (Early European Farmers) have nothing to do with MENA people. Even if MENA people have that component, it is a result of European settlers in MENA. Neolithic is a fully European component.

[namelessuser]

Because they are more Neolithic mixed.

Neolithic Farmers (Early European Farmers) have nothing to do with MENA people. Even if MENA people have that component, it is a result of European settlers in MENA. Neolithic is a fully European component.

[Leto]

European Greeks and most Italians have almost nothing to do with Middle Easterners, be it Arabs or Turks.

[namelessuser]

I've seen some Italians and Greeks who are Arab-like in phenotype but that does not necessarily reflect in the genotype and I also don't think this is necessarily a racist observation unless you think civilizations such as ancient Sumeria and the invention of Algebra by an Arab etc... are inferior achievements. I'm from New York plenty of Greeks and Italians here as well as everyone from around the world also while I have seen dark Greeks I think some (not all) of the Italians I have seen were more Arab-like but I'm not sure.

Some Arab-like Italian in Manhattan had the audacity to call me a 'white boy' implying he was not 'white'.

Those people are Middle Easterners who pretend to be Greek/Italian.

[Ethel]

Why do some people keep telling that Southern Europeans are more Arabian-North African-like than Northern Europeans are?

1. because they are
2. they often get butthurt so some people think it's fun to troll them


It is clear that both Northern and Southern Europeans are equidistant to Arabians-North Africans.

can you prove it?

[Deusex99]

Those people are Middle Easterners who pretend to be Greek/Italian.

This. A lot of hispanics have also Italian sounding surname. NYC is fully of Middleasterners and hispanics.

[namelessuser]

1. because they are
2. they often get butthurt so some people think it's fun to troll them



can you prove it?

No, they are not. Both Northern and Southern Europeans are of European stock and their genetics difference is just because of the fact that they have been isolated by some geographical barriers. Middle East/North Africa is just another story.

[princeton90]

Neolithic Farmers (Early European Farmers) have nothing to do with MENA people. Even if MENA people have that component, it is a result of European settlers in MENA. Neolithic is a fully European component.

MENA have a lot of EEF and this is not just from "MENA of European settler origin" since it is distributed all over the population.

[Immanenz]

because they are closer to the "Basal-look"

[Luso]

Those people are Middle Easterners who pretend to be Greek/Italian.

Lol then you’ll definitely think I’m pretending to be Portuguese lol!!!:rolleyes:

[bained]

Why do countries/people try to expand their sphere of influence?

[chrisbab]

I bet that I'm more Caucasian/Anatolian like than Arabian, anyway we'll see what 23andme tells me.
in the
I don't know if you saw me talking about that topic, i am from galati (Romania) and i score a bit of middle east in most of the dna test such like myheritage, ftdna and g25. On myheritage i have 5.2% middle east and 3% ashkenazi, on ftdna i have 2% druze, 1% northem levant and 2% ashkenazi. I wonder where the druze and levant part comes from. I have a great grandmother that comes from szekeler land, she was romanian, not szekely and i found a jewish family name on her before she got married. But the middle east, i have no idea. Do i have a recent middle east ancestry or it is normal from my region to get it? In my matches, i have no middle eastern or levantine matches, but i found instead, a few balkan turk matches.

[Radimir]

Because they are all a part of the Mediterranean race. Mediterranean also includes MENA and South Asians.

[JamesBond007]

This. A lot of hispanics have also Italian sounding surname. NYC is fully of Middleasterners and hispanics.

I dunno, about that there is definitely an overlap with the Levant but it just be a minority of Italians etc... but I'm not sure of the exact percentages because I'm not obsessed with this kind of thing.

[PaleoEuropean]

Neolithic Farmers (Early European Farmers) have nothing to do with MENA people. Even if MENA people have that component, it is a result of European settlers in MENA. Neolithic is a fully European component.

Not ENF, they were related especially to the Levant, Jews are their closest relatives alongside Sicilians. Also the Phoenicians, Greeks and Italians all mixed together.

https://eupedia.com/europe/autosomal_maps_dodecad.shtml#Neolithic_farmers

[Incal]

Because most people here couldn't tell the difference between a horse and a duck.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Neolithic Farmers (Early European Farmers) have nothing to do with MENA people. Even if MENA people have that component, it is a result of European settlers in MENA. Neolithic is a fully European component.
:laugh:

[Hamilcar]

italians and greeks do have decent amount of ME ancestry and iberians/sicilians have north african admixture + Add their elevated level of EEF ancestry in comparison to northern euros and you end up with people who can occasionally overlap with MENAs but they are still part of the european cluster except south italians and greeks who are in an intermediate position

[Roy]

Because they are more related to them than Northern Euros are.

[Zeno]

Because they are all a part of the Mediterranean race. Mediterranean also includes MENA and South Asians.

Nah... But I get it, it's a Radimir/EternalYouth response.

[Zeno]

1. There's not a significant overlap between Southern Europeans and Middle Easterners or North Africans.

2. Why even bother about it when almost no one, besides this forum, isn't an anthrotard about it?

3. Middle Easterners, especially in the near Levant, have significant Southern European admixture.

[Ruggery]

1. There's not a significant overlap between Southern Europeans and Middle Easterners or North Africans.

2. Why even bother about it when almost no one, besides this forum, isn't an anthrotard about it?

3. Middle Easterners, especially in the near Levant, have significant Southern European admixture.

That mixture in the Middle East is due to? The ancient Romans and Greeks?

[Renekton]

Ignorance

[alnortedelsur]

Because they are all a part of the Mediterranean race. Mediterranean also includes MENA and South Asians.

lol. Southern Europeans belong to the same European race as Central and Northern Euros, and are closer to them in all senses than to Middle Easterners and North Africans.

[JamesBond007]

1. There's not a significant overlap between Southern Europeans and Middle Easterners or North Africans.

2. Why even bother about it when almost no one, besides this forum, isn't an anthrotard about it?

3. Middle Easterners, especially in the near Levant, have significant Southern European admixture.

Dude, don't Ashkenazi Jews cluster genetically closely with Southern Euros or at least Italians or Sicilians ? If so then all you deniers here are smoking crack cocaine nigga !

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[zebruh]

This. A lot of hispanics have also Italian sounding surname. NYC is fully of Middleasterners and hispanics.Some hispanics do have italian surnames but its also not common. Aside from that I dont think spanish surnames sound italian.

[zebruh]

lol. Southern Europeans belong to the same European race as Central and Northern Euros, and are closer to them in all senses than to Middle Easterners and North Africans.Only in recent times. But in ancient history not the case so much. The hub of european civilizations stemed in the medditernean. Often looking and exchanging with egyptians and other anatolian / middle eastern civilizations. Examples, trojans, luwains, hittites, lydians, carians ( not affiliatedwith modern karens), phonecians, carthagenians.

When the dark ages occured and rome was in shambles with invading barbarians sacked rome, this became less and less.

[princeton90]

Dude, don't Ashkenazi Jews cluster genetically closely with Southern Euros or at least Italians or Sicilians ? If so then all you deniers here are smoking crack cocaine nigga !

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Ashkenazi Jews are exceptions. Half of their lineage come from their host countries.

[Synapsid]

Because they are more Neolithic mixed.

Their Neolithic ancestry is different (related but different)

[Hamilcar]

Their Neolithic ancestry is different (related but different)

not if we only take north africans into account

[mitalit]

Because we are, at least genetically, geographically and phenotypically (culturally it doesn't have to). Although this does not mean that we are alike, we are very different

[Synapsid]

Only in recent times. But in ancient history not the case so much. The hub of european civilizations stemed in the medditernean. Often looking and exchanging with egyptians and other anatolian / middle eastern civilizations. Examples, trojans, luwains, hittites, lydians, carians ( not affiliatedwith modern karens), phonecians, carthagenians.

When the dark ages occured and rome was in shambles with invading barbarians sacked rome, this became less and less.

It was the Islamic conquest that created the barrier between the northern core of the classical world (Italian peninsula, S. Gaul, Iberia) from the Southern Core of the classical world (Syria/Levant, Egypt, North Africa, parts of Anatolia) not so much the Germanic invasions. Although Rome fell in 400s, Classical civilization continued in the East/MENA world and had connections with S. Europe until the 700s with the Arab invasions (archaeologists see a shrinkage in coinage circulation in the Med basin during 700s and 800ad and a decline in ship traffic via shipwerk levels). After the failed Islamic invasion of Gaul, the Frankish Carolingians took over Italian affairs and became the Dominant Catholic power in W. Europe and Italians and reconqesta Spaniards start to have more cultural overlap with NW Euros than with MENA cultures over centuries, with divisions between the two growing further and further as Christianity and Islam becomes entrenched. Before that, it would have been laughable to state that an Roman Italic statesman had more in common with Iron age swedes of the Vendel period in custom and thought than with an Phoenician lawyer in Beirut (the prime city of legal affairs of Roman laws in the late Roman Empire) regardless of Genetic data

[Synapsid]

not if we only take north africans into account

Yeah, NA have the same Neolithic Ancestry as Euro Meds (EEF)

[Zeno]

Dude, don't Ashkenazi Jews cluster genetically closely with Southern Euros or at least Italians or Sicilians ? If so then all you deniers here are smoking crack cocaine nigga !

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Ashkenazis are genetically half European. Barely even half of their lineage is Semitic to begin with.

[Swarthy_Syndicate]

European Greeks and most Italians have almost nothing to do with Middle Easterners, be it Arabs or Turks.

IKR. Sharing a Mediterranean body of water doesn't mean jackshit. Some influences may be similar but overall MENA are closer to other Muslim groups than they are to Southern Europeans.

[Unknown European]

Why do some people keep telling that Southern Europeans are more Arabian-North African-like than Northern Europeans are? It is clear that both Northern and Southern Europeans are equidistant to Arabians-North Africans.

They are not equidistant. Southern Europeans are less distant to Arabians and North Africans compared to Northern Europeans

Distance to: Moroccan
0.21868390 Italian_Campania
0.22973784 Spanish_Andalucia
0.23328123 Greek_Peloponnese
0.28479480 Irish
0.28559202 Danish
0.30262958 Belarusian
0.30740691 Finnish

Distance to: Saudi
0.16201592 Italian_Campania
0.18077816 Greek_Peloponnese
0.21110346 Spanish_Andalucia
0.26577064 Irish
0.26713440 Danish
0.28441710 Belarusian
0.29390782 Finnish

Distance to: BedouinB
0.16210529 Italian_Campania
0.18087203 Greek_Peloponnese
0.21001497 Spanish_Andalucia
0.26573725 Irish
0.26690880 Danish
0.28398640 Belarusian
0.29394101 Finnish