Croatian results thread

[Jana]

New averages

Regional:

Croat_Dalmatia,26.36,31.49,16.09,8.84,13.31,1.57,0 .44,0.30,0.54,0.48,0.35,0.10,0.11
Croat_Bosnia,26.51,32.35,15.57,8.02,13.77,1.43,0.5 9,0.29,0.49,0.48,0.34,0.10,0.07
Croat_Herzegovina,24.93,32.69,15.99,8.60,14.10,1.2 8,0.55,0.19,0.55,0.48,0.40,0.04,0.11
Croat_Lika,27.50,32.41,15.69,7.72,12.86,1.28,0.35, 0.19,0.69,0.56,0.55,0.08,0.12
Croat_Istria,27.52,31.63,15.79,7.79,13.90,1.06,0.5 2,0.38,0.48,0.37,0.35,0.18,0.05
Croat_Kvarner,28.57,32.45,14.23,8.28,12.57,1.24,0. 49,0.36,0.68,0.23,0.43,0.13,0.12
Croat_GorskiKotar,31.45,32.69,14.41,7.40,10.30,1.1 9,0.67,0.29,0.54,0.52,0.30,0.13,0.11
Croat_Slavonia,26.53,33.17,15.98,7.53,13.91,0.80,0 .77,0.17,0.51,0.56,0.43,0.02,0.07
Croat_Central,29.40,34.03,14.89,7.02,10.88,1.28,0. 52,0.22,0.47,0.45,0.41,0.24,0.13
Croat_Northwest,31.23,34.80,13.68,6.85,8.93,1.29,0 .54,0.44,0.50,0.97,0.41,0.20,0.16

Supraregional:

Croat_South,26.24,31.94,15.90,8.52,13.56,1.48,0.51 ,0.29,0.52,0.48,0.35,0.09,0.09
Croat_West,28.53,32.27,15.18,7.82,12.52,1.19,0.48, 0.29,0.54,0.47,0.43,0.15,0.10
Croat_East,26.53,33.17,15.98,7.53,13.91,0.80,0.77, 0.17,0.51,0.56,0.43,0.02,0.07
Croat_North,30.05,34.30,14.46,6.96,10.19,1.28,0.53 ,0.29,0.48,0.63,0.41,0.22,0.14

National (a national, two subnational genetic clusters, and a national based on regionally and ethnically mixed 65 samples):

Croat,28.08,33.07,15.25,7.68,12.16,1.27,0.55,0.27, 0.52,0.55,0.40,0.14,0.11
Croat_Southern,26.66,32.28,15.80,8.16,13.52,1.26,0 .55,0.27,0.52,0.55,0.40,0.14,0.11
Croat_Northern,30.14,34.20,14.46,6.99,10.20,1.28,0 .55,0.29,0.50,0.63,0.40,0.22,0.14
Croat_Mixed,28.97,32.33,15.16,7.49,12.11,1.45,0.55 ,0.29,0.62,0.46,0.39,0.05,0.11

:thumbsup I guess you post them in Lucas thread than :)

nice update!!! It was time :)

[Jana]

PS just put _ Between Gorski_Kotar please, looks tidier that way :P

[MoroLP]

PS just put _ Between Gorski_Kotar, looks tidier that way :P

Wouldn't because it would imply Gorski and Kotar are two different regions ("Bosniak_Central_Northeast") or Kotar is a specific part of Gorski (eg. "Bosniak_Krajina_West"). Better to have a uniform way of writing averages.

[Jana]

Wouldn't because it would imply Gorski and Kotar are two different regions ("Bosniak_Central_Northeast") or Kotar is a specific part of Gorski (eg. "Bosniak_Krajina_West"). Better to have a uniform way of writing averages.

Okay! Funny how to me two closest Croatian regions are Gorski kotar and Kvarner, so same county where I live, despite having none ancestry from there :p (but it makes sense as I am mixed)

Distance to: Stearsolina

3.93333192 Hungarian_Alföld
3.95637460 Croat_GorskiKotar
4.02328224 Hungarian
4.13927530 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
4.16726529 Croat_Kvarner
4.30424209 Croat_Central
4.37378555 Croat
4.93636506 Croat_Lika
5.04257871 Austrian_Carinthia
5.04346111 Csángó-Ceangău
5.31480009 Croat_Northwest
5.49265874 Slovene
5.57993728 Croat_Istria
5.58425465 Croat_Dalmatia
5.58687748 Austrian_Styria
5.68027288 Bosniak_Krajina_East
5.82983705 Hungarian_North
5.93528432 Croat_Bosnia
6.07307171 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
6.16213437 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
6.19230167 Croat_Slavonia
6.33030015 Bosniak_Krajina_West
6.55724790 Lemko_Poland
6.91260443 Bosniak
6.96237029 Croat_Herzegovina

[Jana]

Target: Stearsolina
Distance: 1.2246% / 1.22464798 | ADC: 0.25x RC

44.8 Lemko_Poland
30.6 Austrian_Styria
18.2 German_Bavarian_Swabia
6.4 Ossetian_North

pretty fun :p

[MoroLP]

Vahaduo K13 Ancient K4 (https://ibb.co/GPCtLZw)

[Ljubic]

I have put them only with the south slavs on the calculator.
Now they have more Croatian samples on top. Everything apart from Northeastern Bosniaks and Croats from Northwest excluding Istria seems to be pretty close to eachother.
Distance to: Greatuncle
3.66304518 Croat_Istria
3.85587863 Croat_Slavonia
3.86612209 Bosniak_Cazin_Bihac
4.08617180 Croat_Bosnia
4.41318479 Bosniak_Southeast
4.43932427 Serb_Croatia
4.56524917 Croat_Lika
4.56978118 Serb_Central
4.78971815 Croat_Herzegovina
4.84775206 Croat_Dalmatia
4.91671638 Serb_Republika_Srpska
5.20740818 Bosniak
5.22461482 Serb_West
5.26281294 Serb
5.41526546 Serb_Vojvodina
5.66643627 Croat_Kvarner
6.00503955 Serb_Herzegovina
6.70608679 Serb_South
6.92372010 Croat_Central
7.29120703 Bosniak_Eastern_Krajina
8.14689511 Croat_GorskiKotar
8.87315051 Serb_Montenegro
9.67899272 Croat_Northwest

Distance to: Father
2.70116641 Bosniak
3.14757049 Croat_Herzegovina
3.18670676 Serb_Republika_Srpska
3.77928565 Bosniak_Southeast
3.78157375 Croat_Dalmatia
4.12683898 Serb_Croatia
4.18465052 Bosniak_Eastern_Krajina
4.19559293 Croat_Bosnia
4.29499709 Serb
4.64103437 Serb_West
4.78442264 Serb_Central
4.87874984 Croat_Slavonia
5.10908015 Serb_Vojvodina
5.17786636 Croat_Lika
5.23529369 Croat_Istria
5.34488541 Serb_South
5.48763155 Serb_Herzegovina
5.78142716 Bosniak_Cazin_Bihac
6.16262120 Croat_Kvarner
7.75221904 Croat_Central
8.40844813 Serb_Montenegro
9.40425967 Croat_GorskiKotar
10.41703893 Croat_Northwest

[CommonSense]

@Marsa, do you have any results from Slavonian Serbs? I only managed to find a single one and I opened a thread about it here (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?280957-Gedmatch-results-of-a-Slavonian-Serb). As you can see that was way back in 2019 and neither vbnekthio nor myself have managed to find any more :bored0:

We even have several kits of Serbs from Kosovo, Montenegro, Herzegovina and many other smaller regions, yet this one oddly remains uncharted as far as autosomal genetics are concerned.

[Jana]

@Marsa, do you have any results from Slavonian Serbs? I only managed to find a single one and I opened a thread about it here (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?280957-Gedmatch-results-of-a-Slavonian-Serb). As you can see that was way back in 2019 and neither vbnekthio nor myself have managed to find any more :bored0:

We even have several kits of Serbs from Kosovo, Montenegro, Herzegovina and many other smaller regions, yet this one oddly remains uncharted as far as autosomal genetics are concerned.

This is very odd. Because today far more Serbs live in Slavonia (especially east Slavonia) than anywhere else in Croatia excluding biggest cities.
How do you explain lack of testees from there? I'd be curious about their results as well.

[CommonSense]

This is very odd. Because today far more Serbs live in Slavonia (especially east Slavonia) than anywhere else in Croatia excluding biggest cities.
How do you explain lack of testees from there? I'd be curious about their results as well.

Honestly, I have no idea. Even on the Serbian DNA Project there are only 46 individuals from Slavonia and Western Srem in the public database. In comparison, there are almost four times (!) as many tested individuals from Lika alone, where the Serbian population is much lower.

You can't explain that phenomenon by saying that Slavonians are less nationalistic, because we all know how bloody the war had been in that specific part of Croatia. There must be some unseen cultural factor among them that results in lower interest for ancestry research compared to other Serbs.

[MoroLP]

Moved posts from other thread:


Distance to: Croat

1.24855917 Croat_Lika
1.52797251 Croat_Kvarner
2.21226129 Croat_Central
2.30796447 Hungarian_Alföld
2.41190796 Croat_Istria
2.41528466 Croat_Bosnia
2.51531310 Croat_Slavonia
2.99013378 Croat_Dalmatia
3.28003049 Hungarian
3.40313091 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
3.53619852 Bosniak_Krajina_East
3.90471510 Croat_Herzegovina
3.94194115 Bosniak
3.95455434 Bosniak_Krajina_West
3.97209013 Croat_Gorski_Kotar
4.23433584 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
4.62671590 Csángó-Ceangău
4.63364867 Serb_Republika_Srpska
4.64534175 Hungarian_North
4.77980125 Romanian_North-Moldavia
4.80205164 Moldovan_North
4.85635666 Austrian_Carinthia
4.98188719 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.16860716 Croat_Northwest
5.31161934 Slovene


Distance to: Croat_Dalmatia

1.40103533 Croat_Bosnia
1.79008380 Croat_Istria
1.88584199 Serb_Republika_Srpska
1.98408669 Croat_Lika
2.04763278 Bosniak
2.07149704 Croat_Herzegovina
2.32038790 Romanian_North-Moldavia
2.38325408 Croat_Slavonia
2.66078936 Bosniak_Krajina_West
2.73384345 Serb_Croatia
2.99013378 Croat
3.04983606 Romanian_Maramureș
3.08176897 Serb_West
3.16311555 Bosniak_Southeast
3.21418730 Croat_Kvarner
3.51262010 Moldovan_Central
3.53385059 Serb
3.55066191 Bosniak_Krajina_East
3.61293509 Moldovan
4.02385387 Serb_Central
4.08626969 Csángó-Ceangău
4.09086788 Moldovan_North
4.24178029 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.28856619 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
4.37170447 Serb_Vojvodina

Distance to: Croat_Bosnia

1.25123939 Croat_Slavonia
1.35118467 Croat_Istria
1.40103533 Croat_Dalmatia
1.44903416 Croat_Lika
1.81113224 Croat_Herzegovina
1.93134668 Bosniak
2.41528466 Croat
2.48219661 Serb_Republika_Srpska
2.65697196 Bosniak_Krajina_West
2.75163588 Romanian_North-Moldavia
2.77811087 Croat_Kvarner
3.28779561 Serb_Croatia
3.51055551 Bosniak_Southeast
3.57937145 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
3.62818136 Bosniak_Krajina_East
3.85151918 Moldovan_Central
3.91117629 Moldovan_North
3.93357344 Romanian_Maramureș
3.98035174 Moldovan
4.00012500 Serb_West
4.25690028 Serb
4.40082947 Serb_Central
4.55008791 Hungarian_Alföld
4.58810418 Croat_Central
4.76581577 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely

Distance to: Croat_Herzegovina

0.98096891 Bosniak
1.63966460 Serb_Republika_Srpska
1.81113224 Croat_Bosnia
2.06436431 Croat_Slavonia
2.07149704 Croat_Dalmatia
2.35985169 Romanian_North-Moldavia
2.77834483 Moldovan
2.78797417 Moldovan_Central
2.94888114 Croat_Istria
2.95465734 Bosniak_Southeast
3.01330383 Serb_Croatia
3.02910878 Croat_Lika
3.14093935 Moldovan_North
3.54216036 Bosniak_Krajina_East
3.65282083 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
3.70956871 Bosniak_Krajina_West
3.73368451 Serb
3.82536273 Serb_West
3.90471510 Croat
4.02888322 Serb_Central
4.16941243 Romanian_Maramureș
4.35553671 Croat_Kvarner
4.62725621 Serb_Vojvodina
5.32472535 Serb_Herzegovina
5.55843503 Serb_South

Distance to: Croat_Lika

1.24855917 Croat
1.39778396 Croat_Istria
1.44903416 Croat_Bosnia
1.78921771 Croat_Slavonia
1.96260032 Croat_Kvarner
1.98408669 Croat_Dalmatia
3.02910878 Croat_Herzegovina
3.04276190 Bosniak_Krajina_West
3.17474408 Bosniak
3.29899985 Hungarian_Alföld
3.37940823 Croat_Central
3.54897168 Serb_Republika_Srpska
3.61643471 Bosniak_Krajina_East
3.74611799 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
3.81342366 Romanian_North-Moldavia
4.21308675 Hungarian
4.30562423 Csángó-Ceangău
4.31064960 Serb_Croatia
4.42909697 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.57788161 Moldovan_North
4.60322713 Romanian_Maramureș
4.67609880 Bosniak_Southeast
4.71971397 Serb_West
4.91782472 Croat_Gorski_Kotar
4.99406648 Moldovan_Central

Distance to: Croat_Istria

1.35118467 Croat_Bosnia
1.39778396 Croat_Lika
1.79008380 Croat_Dalmatia
1.89425447 Bosniak_Krajina_West
1.92330445 Croat_Slavonia
2.41190796 Croat
2.51487574 Croat_Kvarner
2.94888114 Croat_Herzegovina
3.06577886 Serb_Republika_Srpska
3.11891007 Bosniak
3.34110760 Romanian_North-Moldavia
3.35498137 Serb_Croatia
3.69314229 Romanian_Maramureș
3.82393776 Bosniak_Southeast
3.85114269 Serb_West
3.99147842 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.30204602 Hungarian_Alföld
4.35298748 Serb
4.43132034 Serb_Central
4.46226400 Croat_Central
4.47631545 Csángó-Ceangău
4.58772275 Bosniak_Krajina_East
4.61675211 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
4.70088290 Moldovan_Central
4.83045547 Moldovan

Distance to: Croat_Kvarner

1.52797251 Croat
1.96260032 Croat_Lika
2.51487574 Croat_Istria
2.56526802 Hungarian_Alföld
2.77811087 Croat_Bosnia
2.86213207 Croat_Central
3.15180900 Hungarian
3.21418730 Croat_Dalmatia
3.24978461 Croat_Slavonia
3.47982758 Bosniak_Krajina_West
3.80423448 Croat_Gorski_Kotar
3.92782382 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
4.03659510 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
4.19909514 Bosniak
4.33049651 Csángó-Ceangău
4.35553671 Croat_Herzegovina
4.39461034 Bosniak_Krajina_East
4.39621428 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.65478249 Romanian_North-Moldavia
4.79842683 Austrian_Carinthia
4.87201190 Hungarian_North
4.87635109 Serb_Republika_Srpska
5.03535500 Moldovan_North
5.33459464 Romanian_Maramureș
5.36594819 Croat_Northwest

Distance to: Croat_Gorski_Kotar

0.96400207 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
1.31068684 Hungarian
1.58306664 Austrian_Carinthia
2.34397099 Hungarian_Alföld
2.46633331 Slovene
2.60368969 Croat_Central
2.73601901 Croat_Northwest
3.44132242 Hungarian_North
3.60118036 Austrian_Styria
3.80423448 Croat_Kvarner
3.97209013 Croat
4.91782472 Croat_Lika
5.41361247 Slovak
5.62116536 German_County_Glatz
5.62736173 Croat_Istria
5.85011111 Csángó-Ceangău
6.13110920 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
6.19373070 Croat_Bosnia
6.24929596 Czech
6.26597159 German_Lower_Silesia
6.33721548 Croat_Slavonia
6.34093053 Lemko_Poland
6.44256160 Croat_Dalmatia
6.58604585 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
6.60611838 Bosniak_Krajina_West

Distance to: Croat_Slavonia

1.25123939 Croat_Bosnia
1.78921771 Croat_Lika
1.92330445 Croat_Istria
2.06436431 Croat_Herzegovina
2.38325408 Croat_Dalmatia
2.51531310 Croat
2.55955074 Bosniak
3.06540373 Serb_Republika_Srpska
3.24978461 Croat_Kvarner
3.33456144 Bosniak_Krajina_West
3.43215676 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
3.63470769 Romanian_North-Moldavia
3.84745370 Bosniak_Krajina_East
3.96930724 Serb_Croatia
4.11117988 Bosniak_Southeast
4.21757039 Moldovan_North
4.46845611 Croat_Central
4.51129693 Moldovan_Central
4.60977223 Moldovan
4.66479367 Hungarian_Alföld
4.66842586 Serb_West
4.88882399 Romanian_Maramureș
4.90350895 Serb
4.99060117 Serb_Central
5.57331140 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely

Distance to: Croat_Central

1.46621963 Hungarian_Alföld
2.14883689 Hungarian
2.21226129 Croat
2.60368969 Croat_Gorski_Kotar
2.75896720 Hungarian_North
2.86213207 Croat_Kvarner
2.89428748 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
3.09192497 Croat_Northwest
3.16257806 Austrian_Carinthia
3.22347638 Slovene
3.37940823 Croat_Lika
4.37223055 Lemko_Poland
4.40917226 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
4.46226400 Croat_Istria
4.46845611 Croat_Slavonia
4.58810418 Croat_Bosnia
4.72419305 Bosniak_Krajina_East
4.98632129 Slovak
5.14556119 Croat_Dalmatia
5.50817574 Ukrainian_Carpathians
5.80289583 Csángó-Ceangău
5.89964406 Bosniak_Krajina_West
5.93588241 Austrian_Styria
5.99173598 Croat_Herzegovina
6.01993355 Bosniak

Distance to: Croat_Northwest

1.73591474 Slovene
2.06995169 Hungarian_North
2.65670849 Austrian_Carinthia
2.71000000 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
2.73601901 Croat_Gorski_Kotar
2.79749888 Slovak
2.99751564 Hungarian
3.09192497 Croat_Central
3.38659121 Hungarian_Alföld
3.93206053 Czech
4.45887878 German_Lower_Silesia
4.70651676 Austrian_Styria
4.85287544 Lemko_Poland
5.16860716 Croat
5.36594819 Croat_Kvarner
5.97901330 Ukrainian_Carpathians
6.34077282 Croat_Lika
6.42953342 German_County_Glatz
6.49850752 Ukrainian_Galicia
6.67619652 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
7.05573526 Bosniak_Krajina_East
7.36769978 Croat_Istria
7.46106561 German_Thuringia_East
7.47493813 Croat_Slavonia
7.54687352 Croat_Bosnia

[Ajeje Brazorf]

New Croatian PCA

https://i.imgur.com/sNkRDO9.png

https://i.imgur.com/GiInlx7.png

https://i.imgur.com/3wvnoJe.png

Averages used


Croat,28.08,33.07,15.25,7.68,12.16,1.27,0.55,0.27, 0.52,0.55,0.40,0.14,0.11
Croat_Bosnia,26.51,32.35,15.57,8.02,13.77,1.43,0.5 9,0.29,0.49,0.48,0.34,0.10,0.07
Croat_Central,29.40,34.03,14.89,7.02,10.88,1.28,0. 52,0.22,0.47,0.45,0.41,0.24,0.13
Croat_Dalmatia,26.36,31.49,16.09,8.84,13.31,1.57,0 .44,0.30,0.54,0.48,0.35,0.10,0.11
Croat_GorskiKotar,31.45,32.69,14.41,7.40,10.30,1.1 9,0.67,0.29,0.54,0.52,0.30,0.13,0.11
Croat_Herzegovina,24.93,32.69,15.99,8.60,14.10,1.2 8,0.55,0.19,0.55,0.48,0.40,0.04,0.11
Croat_Istria,27.52,31.63,15.79,7.79,13.90,1.06,0.5 2,0.38,0.48,0.37,0.35,0.18,0.05
Croat_Kvarner,28.57,32.45,14.23,8.28,12.57,1.24,0. 49,0.36,0.68,0.23,0.43,0.13,0.12
Croat_Lika,27.50,32.41,15.69,7.72,12.86,1.28,0.35, 0.19,0.69,0.56,0.55,0.08,0.12
Croat_Northwest,31.23,34.80,13.68,6.85,8.93,1.29,0 .54,0.44,0.50,0.97,0.41,0.20,0.16
Croat_Slavonia,26.53,33.17,15.98,7.53,13.91,0.80,0 .77,0.17,0.51,0.56,0.43,0.02,0.07
Austrian,36.84,27.27,15.90,7.36,9.10,1.32,0.60,0.2 3,0.48,0.27,0.41,0.06,0.10
Austrian_Burgenland,38.13,26.01,13.17,6.50,12.79,0 .87,0.36,0.27,0.62,0.24,0.71,0.00,0.32
Austrian_Carinthia,32.36,33.44,14.41,6.52,10.49,1. 02,0.34,0.00,0.64,0.27,0.33,0.04,0.07
Austrian_Salzburg-Upper_Austria,38.78,27.33,14.66,6.69,9.37,1.49,0.5 8,0.18,0.23,0.31,0.35,0.03,0.00
Austrian_Styria,34.20,31.69,15.07,7.48,8.45,0.79,0 .31,0.33,0.77,0.19,0.16,0.21,0.36
Bosniak,24.88,32.47,15.40,8.91,13.89,1.77,0.79,0.5 1,0.57,0.47,0.26,0.02,0.06
Bosniak_Central_Northeast,25.73,35.04,14.18,8.58,1 2.19,1.26,0.98,0.31,0.62,0.60,0.25,0.16,0.10
Bosniak_Krajina_East,25.43,33.89,15.88,9.11,11.04, 2.17,0.44,0.41,0.17,0.92,0.30,0.18,0.08
Bosniak_Krajina_West,27.62,30.59,15.24,8.49,14.98, 0.74,0.11,0.45,0.27,0.73,0.64,0.12,0.02
Bosniak_Sandžak,24.09,24.59,19.05,10.39,18.12,1.78 ,0.19,0.38,0.49,0.55,0.29,0.01,0.06
Bosniak_Southeast,24.67,30.37,16.69,8.45,15.57,1.9 6,0.64,0.38,0.30,0.50,0.31,0.17,0.00
Bulgarian_Northwestern,22.04,26.19,17.58,10.15,19. 05,2.31,0.40,0.52,0.70,0.51,0.38,0.07,0.09
Csángó-Ceangău,27.60,29.46,15.34,8.91,11.04,1.51,0.87,1.0 7,2.64,0.81,0.47,0.15,0.15
Czech,32.33,37.42,11.45,5.60,8.50,1.59,1.15,0.44,0 .51,0.91,0.00,0.05,0.06
German_Bavarian_Swabia,34.71,26.3,19.15,7.19,11.37 ,0,0,0,0,0.37,0.4,0,0.46
German_County_Glatz,35.77,31.04,14.63,8.13,7.64,0. 3,0,1.02,0,0.72,0,0.72,0
German_Lower_Silesia,34.34,36.33,12.87,6.99,6.65,0 ,0.6,0,0.31,0.85,0.34,0.47,0.23
German_North_Bohemia,38.27,31.61,13.93,5.63,7.42,0 .38,0.90,0.53,0.10,0.41,0.50,0.00,0.31
German_Saxony,38.88,30.83,13.16,6.57,7.10,1.36,0.2 7,0.02,0.31,0.40,0.29,0.61,0.21
German_Thuringia_Central,38.63,30.19,13.73,4.49,9. 55,0.38,1.70,0.00,0.25,0.47,0.75,0.00,0.00
German_Thuringia_East,37.78,32.62,11.52,6.80,7.19, 1.13,0.84,0.24,0.64,0.67,0.47,0.00,0.07
German_West_Bohemia,38.06,27.32,15.52,7.55,9.66,0, 0.17,0,0.4,0.58,0.74,0,0
German_West_Prussia,36.87,38.43,11.15,5.97,4.70,0. 16,0.84,0.00,0.72,0.40,0.33,0.13,0.29
Hungarian,30.43,32.58,14.23,7.16,10.42,1.28,0.9,0. 55,1.19,0.55,0.35,0.2,0.15
Hungarian_Alföld,29.33,33.01,14.59,7.21,10.63,1.26 ,0.68,0.67,1.28,0.62,0.39,0.2,0.11
Hungarian_North,30.35,35.36,13.29,6.2,10.12,0.75,1 .05,0.5,1.16,0.51,0.38,0.15,0.17
Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest,31.23,32.45,14.11, 7.29,9.79,1.37,0.91,0.59,1.06,0.51,0.3,0.22,0.16
Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely,28.34,28.55,15.07,8 .19,12.8,1.37,1.03,0.76,2.28,0.74,0.37,0.2,0.13
Lemko_Poland,27.74,37.63,14.89,7.34,9.48,0.24,0.42 ,0.58,0.56,0.60,0.52,0.00,0.00
Moldovan,23.31,31.19,15.42,9.57,14.52,1.81,0.97,0. 63,1.41,0.46,0.42,0.12,0.18
Moldovan_Central,23.53,31.20,15.11,9.56,14.31,1.77 ,1.20,0.52,1.58,0.45,0.46,0.15,0.17
Moldovan_North,23.99,33.84,14.21,9.52,12.52,1.74,0 .78,0.71,1.23,0.39,0.74,0.08,0.27
Moldovan_South,21.97,26.97,17.49,10.22,17.43,2.16, 0.92,0.45,1.23,0.54,0.35,0.12,0.14
Montenegrin,24.13,26.54,18.30,9.74,17.15,2.10,0.23 ,0.26,0.68,0.40,0.32,0.07,0.06
Polish_Lesser_Poland,31.00,43.23,11.15,5.26,5.63,0 .55,0.47,0.06,0.80,0.85,0.57,0.29,0.16
Polish_Silesia,29.25,43.03,12.16,6.16,5.57,0.39,1. 25,0.29,0.64,0.70,0.42,0.16,0.00
Polish_South,30.66,42.03,11.08,6.56,6.22,0.35,1.02 ,0.45,0.97,0.07,0.25,0.12,0.22
Polish_Subcarpathia,28.71,42.67,11.10,6.04,7.21,1. 18,0.44,0.11,1.70,0.23,0.12,0.35,0.13
Romanian,23.71,26.24,17.13,10.25,17.33,1.90,0.64,0 .60,1.07,0.54,0.38,0.11,0.10
Romanian_Banat,23.88,25.79,17.43,10.47,17.42,1.87, 0.49,0.57,1.19,0.45,0.26,0.11,0.06
Romanian_Crișana,25.14,27.30,16.89,9.51,16.54,1.32 ,0.69,0.43,0.91,0.60,0.44,0.12,0.10
Romanian_Dobruja,22.26,25.09,17.69,10.81,18.50,2.1 6,0.71,0.71,1.15,0.45,0.30,0.06,0.10
Romanian_Maramureș,26.03,28.85,16.08,9.29,14.55,1. 83,0.84,0.74,0.77,0.46,0.42,0.07,0.06
Romanian_Muntenia,22.61,24.55,17.51,11.08,18.76,2. 11,0.62,0.62,1.03,0.54,0.35,0.12,0.09
Romanian_North-Moldavia,24.89,30.80,15.19,9.09,14.27,1.69,0.84,0. 56,1.37,0.53,0.47,0.17,0.13
Romanian_Oltenia,23.41,24.91,18.15,10.55,18.10,1.8 3,0.51,0.71,0.87,0.38,0.37,0.08,0.12
Romanian_South-Moldavia,24.02,26.72,16.79,9.78,17.00,2.06,0.64,0. 58,1.14,0.64,0.37,0.10,0.16
Romanian_Transylvania,24.22,26.32,17.35,9.92,17.02 ,1.80,0.57,0.56,1.10,0.59,0.38,0.09,0.10
Romanian_Wallachia,22.69,24.74,17.64,10.95,18.58,2 .07,0.62,0.65,1.01,0.49,0.35,0.11,0.10
Serb,24.72,29.47,17.13,9.20,15.42,1.55,0.55,0.27,0 .72,0.53,0.30,0.08,0.05
Serb_Central,24.89,29.52,16.74,8.49,16.39,1.75,0.2 7,0.23,0.73,0.53,0.24,0.07,0.09
Serb_Croatia,25.35,30.09,16.65,8.84,15.35,1.52,0.5 1,0.30,0.51,0.41,0.34,0.08,0.04
Serb_Herzegovina,24.24,28.42,17.69,9.12,16.53,1.92 ,0.17,0.27,0.57,0.44,0.4,0.16,0.07
Serb_Montenegro,24.06,25.44,18.66,10.11,17.52,2.21 ,0.27,0.26,0.74,0.37,0.28,0.02,0.05
Serb_Republika_Srpska,24.92,31.27,16.57,9.03,14.29 ,1.28,0.52,0.30,0.84,0.39,0.47,0.07,0.05
Serb_South,23.55,28.45,16.82,9.8,16.96,2.09,0.51,0 .30,0.60,0.38,0.27,0.12,0.12
Serb_Vojvodina,24.72,28.71,17.21,9.07,16.01,1.5,0. 65,0.5,0.54,0.53,0.3,0.07,0.15
Serb_West,25.54,29.32,17.4,9.21,14.74,1.29,0.57,0. 25,0.85,0.48,0.2,0.06,0.1
Slovak,30.84,37.18,12.99,6.3,8,1.09,1.03,0.39,0.58 ,0.73,0.53,0.15,0.21
Slovene,31.98,34.42,14.67,6.14,9.29,1.04,0.83,0.12 ,0.54,0.33,0.29,0.10,0.25
Sorb,33.21,41.31,10.56,4.96,6.56,0.56,1.15,0.46,0. 26,0.59,0.16,0.10,0.12
Sorb_Saxony_Kamenz,33.90,40.96,10.12,4.85,6.59,0.6 3,1.28,0.44,0.29,0.64,0.10,0.11,0.10
Ukrainian_Carpathians,26.50,38.13,13.24,7.09,9.82, 1.21,1.06,0.35,1.41,0.65,0.25,0.16,0.13
Ukrainian_Galicia,27.87,39.97,12.58,7.17,7.51,1.27 ,1.03,0.33,1.17,0.57,0.37,0.09,0.07
Ukrainian_Moldova,26.14,41.20,11.47,6.64,9.05,1.05 ,1.11,0.70,1.19,0.54,0.28,0.35,0.27

[Marsa]

@Marsa, do you have any results from Slavonian Serbs? I only managed to find a single one and I opened a thread about it here (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?280957-Gedmatch-results-of-a-Slavonian-Serb). As you can see that was way back in 2019 and neither vbnekthio nor myself have managed to find any more :bored0:

We even have several kits of Serbs from Kosovo, Montenegro, Herzegovina and many other smaller regions, yet this one oddly remains uncharted as far as autosomal genetics are concerned.

No, not at all! If I find someone, I'll post it for sure. My school friend took a test, in fact her father, but only for Y-dna. All her family as far as I know are Serbs from Slavonia, but she didn't show any interest in ancestry research. My best friend who I managed to convince after a years thinks I'm nuts. Slavonia seems to be really specific region :))

[Marsa]

I took some time to scroll a bit through older threads in order to see which results you already have, and I noticed that Ugljan outlier and his family, and two samples from Komiža,Vis. So here is another one, unrelated with those others, and a score is very similar. American - all ancestors from Komiža for a few generations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vis_(island)

K13

Population
North_Atlantic 25.76 Pct
Baltic 31.34 Pct
West_Med 14.77 Pct
West_Asian 8.1 Pct
East_Med 13.69 Pct
Red_Sea 2.57 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.58 Pct
Siberian 1.74 Pct
Amerindian 0.13 Pct
Oceanian 1.22 Pct
Northeast_African 0.08 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad

Population
Gedrosia 4.44 Pct
Siberian 0.48 Pct
Northwest_African 0.61 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.24 Pct
Atlantic_Med 25.78 Pct
North_European 41.45 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.67 Pct
East_Asian 1.16 Pct
Caucasus 21.17 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Also American from Lumbarda,Korčula https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kor%C4%8Dula

K13

Population
North_Atlantic 29.39 Pct
Baltic 26.61 Pct
West_Med 15.19 Pct
West_Asian 7.96 Pct
East_Med 16.5 Pct
Red_Sea 2.27 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.33 Pct
Siberian 0.48 Pct
Amerindian 0.21 Pct
Oceanian 0.61 Pct
Northeast_African 0.33 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad

Population
Gedrosia 5.93 Pct
Siberian 0.46 Pct
Northwest_African 2.41 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 30.42 Pct
North_European 35.65 Pct
South_Asian 0.44 Pct
East_African 0.17 Pct
Southwest_Asian 4.58 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 19.93 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Pašman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pa%C5%A1man + Prvić https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prvi%C4%87

K13

Population
North_Atlantic 29.34 Pct
Baltic 28.57 Pct
West_Med 16.38 Pct
West_Asian 8.59 Pct
East_Med 13.43 Pct
Red_Sea 0.25 Pct
South_Asian 0.79 Pct
East_Asian 0.19 Pct
Siberian 0.45 Pct
Amerindian 1.1 Pct
Oceanian 0.66 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.23 Pct

Dodecad

Population
Gedrosia 6.1 Pct
Siberian 0.71 Pct
Northwest_African 1.16 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.1 Pct
Atlantic_Med 27.66 Pct
North_European 41.6 Pct
South_Asian 0.28 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.79 Pct
East_Asian 0.32 Pct
Caucasus 17.29 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Very,very Slavic results from Brač https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bra%C4%8D
Brother and sister, and those kits are very old, so I'm sure you must have found them. I have them also for a quite a long time, but I've just recently found out that those are fully Bračani, and both of them aren't among living anymore. Their father was from Selca ; mother from Bol.

K13 Sister

Population
North_Atlantic 24.5 Pct
Baltic 38.63 Pct
West_Med 13.9 Pct
West_Asian 4.95 Pct
East_Med 13.81 Pct
Red_Sea 3.29 Pct
South_Asian 0.24 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.69 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad

Population
Gedrosia 2.78 Pct
Siberian-
Northwest_African 0.32 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 25.37 Pct
North_European 47.84 Pct
South_Asian 0.71 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.9 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 18.08 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

K13 Brother

Population
North_Atlantic 24.93 Pct
Baltic 34.92 Pct
West_Med 16.62 Pct
West_Asian 7.91 Pct
East_Med 12.76 Pct
Red_Sea 1.72 Pct
South_Asian 0.3 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.47 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.37 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad

Population
Gedrosia 4.62 Pct
Siberian 0.15 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 26.76 Pct
North_European 44.66 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.09 Pct
Southwest_Asian 4.01 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 19.71 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Another Brač result, from Milna this time :

K13

Population
North_Atlantic 25.12 Pct
Baltic 36.2 Pct
West_Med 13.13 Pct
West_Asian 6.68 Pct
East_Med 14.82 Pct
Red_Sea 3.16 Pct
South_Asian 0.36 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.34 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.2 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad

Population
Gedrosia 3.84 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 25.82 Pct
North_European 44.35 Pct
South_Asian 0.37 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.64 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 19.98 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Milna,Brač + Olib Island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olib

K13

Population
North_Atlantic 25.37 Pct
Baltic 34.99 Pct
West_Med 15.47 Pct
West_Asian 11.23 Pct
East_Med 8.49 Pct
Red_Sea 1.26 Pct
South_Asian 2.03 Pct
East_Asian 0.08 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.47 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.57 Pct

Dodecad

Population
Gedrosia 6.69 Pct
Siberian 0.3 Pct
Northwest_African 0.53 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 25.92 Pct
North_European 44.09 Pct
South_Asian 0.67 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.88 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Draga Baščanska ( Krk) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krk + Premuda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premuda

K13

Population
North_Atlantic 25.7 Pct
Baltic 35.84 Pct
West_Med 15.78 Pct
West_Asian 7.5 Pct
East_Med 11.71 Pct
Red_Sea 1.74 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.09 Pct
Siberian 0.17 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.48 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad

Population
Gedrosia 2.74 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.27 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.21 Pct
Atlantic_Med 25.88 Pct
North_European 45.68 Pct
South_Asian 0.21 Pct
East_African 0.07 Pct
Southwest_Asian 3.79 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 20.15 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

All ancestors from Punat,Krk

K13

Population
North_Atlantic 27.23 Pct
Baltic 28.03 Pct
West_Med 17.77 Pct
West_Asian 10.28 Pct
East_Med 9.69 Pct
Red_Sea 4.03 Pct
South_Asian 0.19 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.36 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.26 Pct
Northeast_African 0.25 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.89 Pct

Dodecad

Population
Gedrosia 7.17 Pct
Siberian 1.1 Pct
Northwest_African 4.24 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.32 Pct
Atlantic_Med 28.16 Pct
North_European 39.16 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.79 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.06 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

There are quite a few of Silba islanders, but this person is the only one who I managed to determine as fully Croat, and entirely from island. And italianised AF. Family tree is truly long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silba

K13

Population
North_Atlantic 27.41 Pct
Baltic 34.33 Pct
West_Med 14.66 Pct
West_Asian 7.71 Pct
East_Med 12.71 Pct
Red_Sea 1.01 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.23 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.89 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad

Population
Gedrosia 5.01 Pct
Siberian 0.99 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 25.21 Pct
North_European 44.41 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.43 Pct
Southwest_Asian 4.88 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 18.68 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.39 Pct

Results with only one or two ancestors I wont post.

I've seen someone posting this result and mentioning that surname is from Brač; it is - and partial ancestry. Other part is from Lika ( Čekalović ).

Brač + Lika

K13

Population
North_Atlantic 27.72 Pct
Baltic 31.97 Pct
West_Med 14.37 Pct
West_Asian 8.36 Pct
East_Med 14.44 Pct
Red_Sea 0.88 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.7 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.7 Pct
Oceanian 0.85 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad

Population
Gedrosia 4.25 Pct
Siberian 0.2 Pct
Northwest_African 0.95 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.39 Pct
Atlantic_Med 28.07 Pct
North_European 41.99 Pct
South_Asian 0.24 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.14 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 19.75 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

And one more island + mainland mix which I haven't noticed on the lists.
Novalja,Pag ( Lika-Senj County) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pag_(island) + Vodice

K13

Population
North_Atlantic 27.24 Pct
Baltic 34.2 Pct
West_Med 14.38 Pct
West_Asian 6.45 Pct
East_Med 15.21 Pct
Red_Sea 0.93 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.55 Pct
Oceanian 0.21 Pct
Northeast_African 0.83 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad

Population
Gedrosia 4.19 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.19 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.3 Pct
Atlantic_Med 26.79 Pct
North_European 44.79 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.76 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 19.96 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

i don't have anyone from Hvar, I would like to see it as well ! :cool: And Cres

[Jana]

Woooow, thanks Marsa, you are like a treasure finder! :D Very varied they are!! I am really thankful for posting them :o

I hope to post 3 fully Islander results soon (one Zlarin, one Ugljan (Kukljica), and their son who is half half). It's about my family in USA who tested with Ancestry, and I've contacted them. But they are old, and log in rarely, so still waiting :p

[Marsa]

Woooow, thanks Marsa, you are like a treasure finder! :D Very varied they are!! I am really thankful for posting them :o

I hope to post 3 fully Islander results soon (one Zlarin, one Ugljan (Kukljica), and their son who is half half). It's about my family in USA who tested with Ancestry, and I've contacted them. But they are old, and log in rarely, so still waiting :p

De nada ;) That's cool, hopefully they will. I'd like to see Zlarin, Murter,etc., some fully Šibenik islander. And yeah, they really vary, but Brač is the winner for me lol. I would never thought....

[Jana]

De nada ;) That's cool, hopefully they will. I'd like to see Zlarin, Murter,etc., some fully Šibenik islander. And yeah, they really vary, but Brač is the winner for me lol. I would never thought....

Thanks! :o

Well, my dad always told me Brač was more "pučki" Island compared to Hvar (more Slavic, less fancy, it's also more mountanious and wild, while Hvar has old continuity from ancient times).
So maybe that can explain Brač results a bit :P

I suspect Hvar to me more Med/southern in comparison but we'll see. Cres would be very interesting for sure.

Out of curiosity, have you ever seen Croat results from central Croatia? Especially stokavian parts like Banija and Kordun. Saw only few Serbs from there. And maybe some part Croat results from these regions.
Moslavina would be interesting too but them I expect to be like northern Croats, I guess (maybe transitional towards Slavonia)

From that region tho may get one result soon (will post it here ofc)

[Marsa]

Thanks! :o

Well, my dad always told me Brač was more "pučki" Island compared to Hvar (more Slavic, less fancy, it's also more mountanious and wild, while Hvar has old continuity from ancient times).
So maybe that can explain Brač results a bit :P

I suspect Hvar to me more Med/southern in comparison but we'll see. Cres would be very interesting for sure.

Out of curiosity, have you ever seen Croat results from central Croatia? Especially stokavian parts like Banija and Kordun. Saw only few Serbs from there. And maybe some part Croat results from these regions.
Moslavina would be interesting too but them I expect to be like northern Croats, I guess (maybe transitional towards Slavonia)

From that region tho may get one result soon (will post it here ofc)

I was thinking about that too. Brač has different history, both ancient and newer compared to Korčula for example. But hopefully we'll see ;)
And no, I dont have anyone from Moslavina & co., I have only one result of a person with a surname from Sisak, but the rest of an ancestry is unknown.

Population
North_Atlantic 24.86 Pct
Baltic 33.67 Pct
West_Med 15.78 Pct
West_Asian 10.19 Pct
East_Med 12.38 Pct
Red_Sea 0.36 Pct
South_Asian 1.07 Pct
East_Asian 0.42 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.86 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.41 Pct

I expect some kind of Central Europe shift..but who knows..

[Ajeje Brazorf]

These Global25 averages can be useful for modeling the pre-Slavic part of Croats.


Croatia_IA,0.128309636,0.147621091,0.032878182,-0.002437182,0.034803636,-0.001293091,0.000640909,0.003021,0.010040182,0.027 153273,-7.38182E-05,0.009169182,-0.016906909,-0.006768364,-0.002554,-0.002398727,0.003721818,0.003224818,0.007153273,-0.005605,-0.001781,0.002326909,0.001041909,4.37273E-05,-0.002090182
Slovenia_IA,0.129758462,0.147720462,0.045718615,0. 006186692,0.043652923,-0.001544615,0.001355769,0.002094538,0.011594923,0. 024840154,-0.000299769,0.007585615,-0.016238308,-0.008818231,0.000751846,-0.001407462,0.002086231,0.001013385,0.002504231,-0.002914692,-0.001804615,0.007105308,-0.001526308,-0.002660308,-0.002146308

[Marsa]

1.) Croat from Bosnian Posavina (Derventa)

Population
North_Atlantic 28.04 Pct
Baltic 33.19 Pct
West_Med 14.91 Pct
West_Asian 8.24 Pct
East_Med 11.35 Pct
Red_Sea 1.86 Pct
South_Asian 0.51 Pct
East_Asian 0.59 Pct
Siberian 0.72 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.59 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: Derventa

1.40132081 Croat
1.82482876 Croat_Kvarner
2.13625841 Hungarian_Alföld
2.21761133 Croat_Lika
2.26057515 Croat_Central
3.11632797 Hungarian
3.16684385 Croat_Bosnia
3.24055551 Bosniak_Krajina_East
3.33985030 Croat_Istria
3.36053567 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
3.43831354 Croat_Dalmatia
3.49847109 Croat_Slavonia
3.86220144 Croat_GorskiKotar
3.95394739 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
4.25368076 Bosniak
4.42579936 Croat_Herzegovina
4.44081074 Csángó-Ceangău
4.51939155 Hungarian_North
4.57580594 Moldovan_North
4.74040083 Bosniak_Krajina_West
4.84821617 Croat_Northwest
4.88967279 Austrian_Carinthia
5.08568579 Romanian_North-Moldavia
5.10421395 Serb_Republika_Srpska
5.20069226 Slovene
5.20903062 Lemko_Poland
5.23221750 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.92172272 Ukrainian_Carpathians
5.99757451 Romanian_Maramureş
6.02857363 Moldovan_Central
6.05938116 Serb_Croatia
6.27932321 Moldovan
6.38099522 Serb_West
6.39803876 Bosniak_Southeast
6.63012820 Slovak
6.91734776 Serb
7.13151457 Austrian_Styria
7.26775068 Serb_Central
7.70515412 Serb_Vojvodina
8.06796753 Czech
8.28200459 Ukrainian_Galicia
8.54589960 Serb_Herzegovina
8.73865550 Romanian_Crişana
8.97822366 Serb_South
9.07779709 German_Lower_Silesia
9.11108665 German_County_Glatz
9.44912165 Ukrainian_Moldova
9.82734959 Romanian_South-Moldavia
10.16252921 Romanian_Transylvania
10.36246110 Montenegrin

Target: Derventa

Distance: 0.7558% / 0.75580186 | ADC: 0.25x RC
35.1 Croat_Kvarner
28.7 Bosniak_Krajina_East
27.0 Hungarian_Alföld
9.2 Croat_Central

2.) Croat from Tuzla, his video you can see here :
https://youtu.be/IVHOiV8kPhg

Very Slavic result. He sent me his kit on email a while ago, and said that everyone in his family, as far as his knowledge goes was from Bosnia, except one grandpa who came from Slavonia - but based on his matches that could be northern Croatia.

Population
North_Atlantic 27.96 Pct
Baltic 38.79 Pct
West_Med 13.53 Pct
West_Asian 8.95 Pct
East_Med 8.29 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.19 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.28 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1 Pct

Distance to: Dejan

3.08938505 Lemko_Poland
3.45775939 Ukrainian_Galicia
3.83602659 Ukrainian_Carpathians
4.75816141 Slovak
4.90611863 Ukrainian_Moldova
5.73074166 Hungarian_North
5.96767124 Croat_Northwest
6.09654820 Polish_South
6.13962540 Polish_Subcarpathia
6.28586510 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
6.40419394 Polish_Silesia
6.41060840 Croat_Central
6.51624892 Ukrainian_South
6.52096619 Czech
6.97024390 German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow)
7.02275587 Slovene
7.06899569 Hungarian_Alföld
7.10209124 Bosniak_Krajina_East
7.50718323 Croat
7.53984748 German_Lower_Silesia
7.62417209 Hungarian
7.69357524 Polish_Lesser_Poland
7.78012211 Croat_GorskiKotar
7.83045337 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.96611574 Austrian_Carinthia
7.98327627 Croat_Kvarner
8.04919251 Sorb
8.08838055 Moldovan_North
8.50753196 Croat_Lika
8.61585167 Polish_Greater_Poland
8.65818688 Sorb_Saxony_Kamenz
8.68640317 Ukrainian
8.76895661 Croat_Slavonia
8.96793733 Ukrainian_North
9.11628214 Croat_Bosnia
9.13083786 Ukrainian_Northwest
9.13293491 Upper_Silesia
9.44431046 Polish_Mazovia
9.47730447 Bosniak
9.51620723 Croat_Herzegovina
9.60848063 Croat_Dalmatia
9.62966770 Croat_Istria
9.82068226 Austrian_Styria
9.93102714 Polish
10.45401837 Csángó-Ceangău
10.50050475 German_West_Prussia
10.52012357 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
10.53528357 Russian_Southwest
10.75113482 Serb_Republika_Srpska
10.86344789 Bosniak_Krajina_West

Target: Dejan

Distance: 1.6154% / 1.61541990 | ADC: 0.25x RC
65.4 Lemko_Poland
23.1 Polish_South
7.5 Ukrainian_Northwest
3.4 Dargin
0.6 Yoruban

[Leto]

Very Slavic result. He sent me his kit on email a while ago, and said that everyone in his family, as far as his knowledge goes was from Bosnia, except one grandpa who came from Slavonia - but based on his matches that could be northern Croatia.

Population
North_Atlantic 27.96 Pct
Baltic 38.79 Pct
West_Med 13.53 Pct
West_Asian 8.95 Pct
East_Med 8.29 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.19 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.28 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1 Pct

Distance to: Dejan

3.08938505 Lemko_Poland
3.45775939 Ukrainian_Galicia
3.83602659 Ukrainian_Carpathians
4.75816141 Slovak
4.90611863 Ukrainian_Moldova
5.73074166 Hungarian_North
5.96767124 Croat_Northwest
6.09654820 Polish_South
6.13962540 Polish_Subcarpathia
6.28586510 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
6.40419394 Polish_Silesia
6.41060840 Croat_Central
6.51624892 Ukrainian_South
6.52096619 Czech
6.97024390 German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow)
7.02275587 Slovene
7.06899569 Hungarian_Alföld
7.10209124 Bosniak_Krajina_East
7.50718323 Croat
7.53984748 German_Lower_Silesia
7.62417209 Hungarian
7.69357524 Polish_Lesser_Poland
7.78012211 Croat_GorskiKotar
7.83045337 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.96611574 Austrian_Carinthia
7.98327627 Croat_Kvarner
8.04919251 Sorb
8.08838055 Moldovan_North
8.50753196 Croat_Lika
8.61585167 Polish_Greater_Poland
8.65818688 Sorb_Saxony_Kamenz
8.68640317 Ukrainian
8.76895661 Croat_Slavonia
8.96793733 Ukrainian_North
9.11628214 Croat_Bosnia
9.13083786 Ukrainian_Northwest
9.13293491 Upper_Silesia
9.44431046 Polish_Mazovia
9.47730447 Bosniak
9.51620723 Croat_Herzegovina
9.60848063 Croat_Dalmatia
9.62966770 Croat_Istria
9.82068226 Austrian_Styria
9.93102714 Polish
10.45401837 Csángó-Ceangău
10.50050475 German_West_Prussia
10.52012357 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
10.53528357 Russian_Southwest
10.75113482 Serb_Republika_Srpska
10.86344789 Bosniak_Krajina_West

Target: Dejan

Distance: 1.6154% / 1.61541990 | ADC: 0.25x RC
65.4 Lemko_Poland
23.1 Polish_South
7.5 Ukrainian_Northwest
3.4 Dargin
0.6 Yoruban
Wow, this is an insanely Northern result! Definitely the record holder. I guess over 50% North European on Dodecad K12b.

[vbnetkhio]

Wow, this is an insanely Northern result! Definitely the record holder. I guess over 50% North European on Dodecad K12b.

I already posted some Croatian results with 39 and 40, maybe there was even 41, I'm not sure.

[Leto]

I already posted some Croatian results with 39 and 40, maybe there was even 41, I'm not sure.
This one doesn't have an imbalanced ratio.

North_Atlantic 27.96 Pct
Baltic 38.79 Pct
West_Med 13.53 Pct
West_Asian 8.95 Pct
East_Med 8.29 Pct

Basically 28% North Atlantic and almost 39% Baltic.

[Jana]

Tuzla area in general seems to be heavily Slavic.

[vbnetkhio]

This one doesn't have an imbalanced ratio.

North_Atlantic 27.96 Pct
Baltic 38.79 Pct
West_Med 13.53 Pct
West_Asian 8.95 Pct
East_Med 8.29 Pct

Basically 28% North Atlantic and almost 39% Baltic.

That looks completely out of the balance from the south Slavic perspective :D but I get your point.

Here's the one from Kvarner+Dalmatia I posted earlier, the NA+Baltic level is similar.


kvarner/dalm,26.47,40.04,13.02,6.16,13.39,0.17,0.14,0,0.09 ,0.23,0.28,0,0

[Vrazijadivizija]

Tuzla area in general seems to be heavily Slavic.

True,the results from Tuzla and up to the north,overall NE Bosnia is just insane..its also quite interesting that his paternal grandfather came from Slavonia to Tuzla,i would say thats rare,since it was mostly those from Tuzla who went here,im glad more people are testing from that region,if only Slavonia went to test little bit more.
Even mine paternal line comes from Soli :D.

[Jana]

^^^^user Hrvoje also has roots from northeastern Bosnia, from Gradačac (Croats). His Slavic is below average though, but I assume that is because his Slovenian/Zagreb Croat side looks heavily German, and he is 1/8 Czech from NE Bosnia on top of that. User Ford who is Serb is from Tuzla and around as well, he is pretty Slavic for Serbian average but not that radically NE shifted like some Bosniaks, he is more in (east) central Euro direction.

[Leto]

That looks completely out of the balance from the south Slavic perspective :D but I get your point.

Here's the one from Kvarner+Dalmatia I posted earlier, the NA+Baltic level is similar.


kvarner/dalm,26.47,40.04,13.02,6.16,13.39,0.17,0.14,0,0.09 ,0.23,0.28,0,0
Damn, that's even huger. But perhaps I will stop getting surprised. After all, Croatia is not Malta or Crete, Central Europe or even Galicia (UA) are not that far off. All were once part of Austria-Hungary.

[Marsa]

Wow, this is an insanely Northern result! Definitely the record holder. I guess over 50% North European on Dodecad K12b.
Here is Dodecad :

Population
Gedrosia 4 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.32 Pct
Atlantic_Med 26.07 Pct
North_European 50.56 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.06 Pct
Southwest_Asian 0.43 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.13 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.43 Pct


^^^^user Hrvoje also has roots from northeastern Bosnia, from Gradačac (Croats). His Slavic is below average though

I have one sample from Gradačac (Croat), and it wasn't that Slavic. I'll post it when I find it.

[Marsa]

Double

[Marsa]

1.) Croat from Mostar, Herzegovina

My Heritage

Balkan
98.7%
Finland
1.3%

Genetic groups

Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bosnia and Herzegovina and Southwestern Croatia
Croatia (Split-Dalmatia) and Bosnia and Herzegovina

Population
North_Atlantic 21.84 Pct
Baltic 35.23 Pct
West_Med 15.02 Pct
West_Asian 8.89 Pct
East_Med 17.05 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.93 Pct
Siberian 0.66 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.37 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: Mostar

5.33599100 Croat_Herzegovina
5.53499774 Moldovan
5.58283978 Bosniak
5.70141211 Moldovan_North
5.73681096 Moldovan_Central
6.14127837 Serb_Republika_Srpska
6.40515417 Croat_Slavonia
6.42371388 Romanian_North-Moldavia
6.46275483 Bosniak_Southeast
6.55236598 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
6.70811449 Croat_Bosnia
6.88883154 Serb_Croatia
7.02863429 Serb_Central
7.06099851 Moldovan_South
7.21914122 Serb
7.27156792 Croat_Dalmatia
7.60886982 Bosniak_Krajina_East
7.62762086 Serb_South
7.67130367 Croat_Istria
7.73950257 Serb_Vojvodina
7.80987196 Bosniak_Krajina_West
7.87642685 Croat_Lika
7.90451770 Serb_West
7.99826856 Serb_Herzegovina
8.37373274 Romanian_Maramureş
8.46982881 Croat
8.73376780 Croat_Kvarner
8.99091764 Romanian_Crişana
9.30329512 Romanian_South-Moldavia
9.63186898 Ukrainian_Carpathians
9.76255602 Romanian
9.78799775 Romanian_Transylvania
9.86581472 Montenegrin
9.99208687 Bulgarian_Northwestern
10.05202965 Lemko_Poland
10.14415595 Croat_Central
10.30021359 Romanian_Banat
10.40149508 Hungarian_Alföld
10.50626004 Csángó-Ceangău
10.56517865 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely

Target: Mostar
Distance: 1.7189% / 1.71891482 | R2P
66.1 Greek_Northern_Thrace
33.9 Latvian

Dodecad

Population
Gedrosia 4.84 Pct
Siberian 0.4 Pct
Northwest_African 1.21 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.3 Pct
Atlantic_Med 25.44 Pct
North_European 43.51 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.29 Pct
East_Asian 0.24 Pct
Caucasus 19.78 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

2.) And another Croat from Mostar who lives in Dalmatia

North_Atlantic 22.39 Pct
Baltic 36.95 Pct
West_Med 16.17 Pct
West_Asian 10.64 Pct
East_Med 11.13 Pct
Red_Sea 0.37 Pct
South_Asian 0.42 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.6 Pct
Oceanian 0.53 Pct
Northeast_African 0.81 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: Mostar2

4.89670297 Moldovan_North
5.00342882 Bosniak_Krajina_East
5.12133772 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
6.27964967 Croat_Herzegovina
6.39322297 Bosniak
6.70329024 Ukrainian_Carpathians
6.75713697 Lemko_Poland
7.07824837 Croat_Slavonia
7.24739953 Moldovan
7.25200662 Moldovan_Central
7.32342133 Serb_Republika_Srpska
7.37323538 Croat_Bosnia
7.48039437 Croat_Dalmatia
7.72981242 Croat
7.76967824 Croat_Lika
7.86379679 Romanian_North-Moldavia
8.47506342 Croat_Kvarner
8.47966391 Croat_Istria
8.59987791 Croat_Central
8.74950284 Bosniak_Southeast
8.81683617 Ukrainian_Moldova
8.90996072 Serb_Croatia
8.96626455 Ukrainian_Galicia
9.03048725 Hungarian_Alföld
9.23971861 Serb
9.33161294 Serb_West
9.44067265 Bosniak_Krajina_West
9.81926678 Romanian_Maramureş
9.85172574 Csángó-Ceangău
9.86039046 Serb_Central
9.87673023 Hungarian_North
10.15808545 Serb_Vojvodina
10.16480201 Hungarian
10.48931361 Croat_Northwest
10.58659057 Slovak
10.61770220 Serb_South
10.64410165 Serb_Herzegovina
10.77774095 Croat_GorskiKotar
10.85593386 Ukrainian_South
10.89971559 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest


Target: Mostar2
Distance: 2.9898% / 2.98977996 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.3 Bosniak_Krajina_East
22.1 Greek_Northern_Thrace
19.0 Latvian
8.5 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
4.1 Abhkaz

Target: Mostar2
Distance: 3.8816% / 3.88161036 | R2P
52.5 Greek_Northern_Thrace
47.5 German_East_Prussia_Memelland

Dodecad

Population
Gedrosia 3.29 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.6 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 23.05 Pct
North_European 46.22 Pct
South_Asian 1.79 Pct
East_African 0.39 Pct
Southwest_Asian 4.24 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 20.42 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Marsa]

Istria (Central-Svetvinčenat,Pićan)

Population
North_Atlantic 25.67 Pct
Baltic 27.55 Pct
West_Med 17.05 Pct
West_Asian 9.25 Pct
East_Med 16.36 Pct
Red_Sea 2.19 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.28 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.26 Pct
Oceanian 0.33 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Target: Istra
Distance: 1.2074% / 1.20735266 | R2P
82.8 Croat_Dalmatia
17.2 Italian_Molise

Target: Istra
Distance: 0.9203% / 0.92032290 | R3P
56.4 Croat_Northwest
25.5 Greek_Eastern_Thrace
18.1 Torbesh

Distance to:Istra
1.73916647 Romanian_Crişana
2.05630737 Serb_Vojvodina
2.09566219 Serb_Herzegovina
2.53124475 Romanian_South-Moldavia
2.55338990 Serb_Central
2.61243182 Romanian_Transylvania
2.66278050 Montenegrin
2.69345503 Serb
2.73076912 Serb_South
2.88695341 Romanian_Maramureş
2.89749892 Serb_West
3.09875782 Serb_Croatia
3.12873776 Romanian
3.39344957 Bosniak_Southeast
3.40257256 Romanian_Banat
3.62495517 Serb_Montenegro
4.48699231 Romanian_Oltenia
4.54080389 Bosniak_Sandžak
4.62713734 Bosniak_Krajina_West
4.64252087 Serb_Republika_Srpska
4.74693585 Romanian_North-Moldavia
4.96522910 Bulgarian_Northwestern
5.09825460 Moldovan_South
5.20712973 Romanian_Wallachia
5.27119531 Romanian_Dobruja
5.28136346 Croat_Dalmatia
5.37167572 Moldovan
5.45826896 Romanian_Muntenia
5.55509676 Moldovan_Central
5.69691144 Croat_Istria
5.75295576 Bulgarian_Southwestern
5.77386352 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.96496438 Bosniak
5.97403549 Croat_Herzegovina
5.99552333 Croat_Bosnia
6.67403176 Bulgarian
6.73817483 Croat_Lika
6.76256608 Croat_Slavonia
6.91340726 Csángó-Ceangău
7.08834960 Bulgarian_Northcentral

Dodecad

Gedrosia 5.24 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 28.17 Pct
North_European 37.78 Pct
South_Asian 0.24 Pct
East_African 0.59 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.42 Pct
East_Asian 0.46 Pct
Caucasus 22.09 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Jana]

112084

This is my result :

K 13
Population
North_Atlantic 28.88 Pct
Baltic 27.6 Pct
West_Med 14.77 Pct
West_Asian 6.88 Pct
East_Med 17.31 Pct
Red_Sea 2.52 Pct
South_Asian 1.31 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.46 Pct
Oceanian 0.27 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: Marsa
5.16674946 Romanian_Maramureș
5.38443126 Romanian_Crișana
5.40416506 Serb_Central
5.53737302 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.64660075 Serb_Croatia
5.74701662 Serb_Vojvodina
5.91481192 Croat_West
5.99408875 Serb_West
6.11973039 Serb
6.20158044 Serb_Herzegovina
6.27335636 Romanian_South-Moldavia
6.47864183 Romanian_Transylvania
6.57973404 Serb_South
6.60705683 Romanian_North-Moldavia
6.61567079 Croat_South
6.79997059 Montenegrin
6.91984104 Romanian
7.01020684 Serb_Republika_Srpska
7.14868519 Romanian_Banat
7.43714327 Serb_Montenegro
7.64149200 Csángó-Ceangău
7.83003831 Moldovan_Central
7.89376970 Croat
7.90124674 Moldovan
8.06775681 Romanian_Oltenia

After removing Austrian_Carinthia:

Target: Marsa
Distance: 1.7245% / 1.72450915 | ADC: 0.25x RC
73.9 Croat_West
12.8 German_North_Hesse
7.0 Jew_Moldova
4.4 Jew_Yemen
1.9 Swiss_Italian

Target: Marsa
Distance: 3.0681% / 3.06812978 | R2P
85.6 Croat_West
14.4 Jew_Moldova

Dodecad K12b

Population
Gedrosia 4.41 Pct
Siberian 0.83 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.18 Pct
Atlantic_Med 28.77 Pct
North_European 39.21 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.59 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 22 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

I think your results are very interesting. Worthy of a more detaled comment, IMO. Your Baltic is modest, notably below average, but your north Atlantic is not, for Slavonia it's above average.
Your west med and west asian values are in Croatian average, but east Med is very elevated.

Target: Marsa(Croat)
Distance: 1.6952% / 1.69515399 | ADC: 0.25x RC

61.0 Bosniak_Krajina_West
21.8 Austrian_Burgenland
6.5 Serb_Central
5.4 Jew_Yemen
5.3 Swiss_Italian

But I believe genetic profiles like yours will be quite common in Slavonia with more tested. :)

[Jana]

Modeling with TA members for Marsa :p

Distance to: Marsa(Croat)

3.59161524 Moje_ime(Serb)
4.37252787 Emziepiex3(Serb)
5.09944115 Kökény_Mom(Hungarian)
5.18805358 Imre(Hungarian_¼_Dutch)
5.26157771 Andre(Romanian)
5.44842179 Ljubic_greatuncle(Croat)
5.51951085 Bosniensis(Bosniak)
5.52598408 HungryLion(Serb)
5.55283711 Fellow(Romanian)
5.57244112 Light(Romanian)
5.80978485 Ford_friend(Bosniak)
5.89952540 Lehel(Hungarian)
5.90516723 Ljubic(Croat)
6.04355028 SunAndros(Croat)
6.16528994 Dick(Serb)
6.33059239 Ikol(Serb)
6.47285872 Imirvlad(Romanian)
6.52365695 paradox_dad(Greek)
6.54970992 Impaler_cousin(Romanian)
6.55071752 Adler4093(Albanian-German)
6.59871200 Karol_friend(Serb-Romanian)
6.61900295 vlrs-2(Bulgarian-Romanian)
6.65571183 emziepiex3_friend(Serb)
6.69985074 TieRed_grandma(Serb)
6.72773365 Kökény(Hungarian)

Target: Marsa(Croat)
Distance: 1.5478% / 1.54783870 | ADC: 0.5x RC

34.8 Andre(Romanian)
32.5 Moje_ime(Serb)
28.2 Adler4093(Albanian-German)
4.5 Dick(Serb)

[Marsa]

I think your results are very interesting. Worthy of a more detaled comment, IMO. Your Baltic is modest, notably below average, but your north Atlantic is not, for Slavonia it's above average.
Your west med and west asian values are in Croatian average, but east Med is very elevated.

Target: Marsa(Croat)
Distance: 1.6952% / 1.69515399 | ADC: 0.25x RC

61.0 Bosniak_Krajina_West
21.8 Austrian_Burgenland
6.5 Serb_Central
5.4 Jew_Yemen
5.3 Swiss_Italian

But I believe genetic profiles like yours will be quite common in Slavonia with more tested. :)

Thanks, yeah they aren't the most typical.:cool: I'll see what my parents will score, maybe it's some recombination of genes, maybe not. I'm really curious.
Well, one company gave Italy as genetic group ( under low confidence) and another tiny Ashkenazi. The second option seems more likely, but maybe non is true. Or both are. :p I really have to wait for my parents.
In Slavonia there will probably be a few results with elevated NA and East Med, but I can't imagine much people going below 30 Baltic :D But I didn't imagine Herzegovians with almost 37 Baltic neither.


Modeling with TA members for Marsa :p
It's really cool idea to have such a map!

[vbnetkhio]

Istria (Central-Svetvinčenat,Pićan)

Population
North_Atlantic 25.67 Pct
Baltic 27.55 Pct
West_Med 17.05 Pct
West_Asian 9.25 Pct
East_Med 16.36 Pct
Red_Sea 2.19 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.28 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.26 Pct
Oceanian 0.33 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Target: Istra
Distance: 1.2074% / 1.20735266 | R2P
82.8 Croat_Dalmatia
17.2 Italian_Molise

Target: Istra
Distance: 0.9203% / 0.92032290 | R3P
56.4 Croat_Northwest
25.5 Greek_Eastern_Thrace
18.1 Torbesh

Distance to:Istra
1.73916647 Romanian_Crişana
2.05630737 Serb_Vojvodina
2.09566219 Serb_Herzegovina
2.53124475 Romanian_South-Moldavia
2.55338990 Serb_Central
2.61243182 Romanian_Transylvania
2.66278050 Montenegrin
2.69345503 Serb
2.73076912 Serb_South
2.88695341 Romanian_Maramureş
2.89749892 Serb_West
3.09875782 Serb_Croatia
3.12873776 Romanian
3.39344957 Bosniak_Southeast
3.40257256 Romanian_Banat
3.62495517 Serb_Montenegro
4.48699231 Romanian_Oltenia
4.54080389 Bosniak_Sandžak
4.62713734 Bosniak_Krajina_West
4.64252087 Serb_Republika_Srpska
4.74693585 Romanian_North-Moldavia
4.96522910 Bulgarian_Northwestern
5.09825460 Moldovan_South
5.20712973 Romanian_Wallachia
5.27119531 Romanian_Dobruja
5.28136346 Croat_Dalmatia
5.37167572 Moldovan
5.45826896 Romanian_Muntenia
5.55509676 Moldovan_Central
5.69691144 Croat_Istria
5.75295576 Bulgarian_Southwestern
5.77386352 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.96496438 Bosniak
5.97403549 Croat_Herzegovina
5.99552333 Croat_Bosnia
6.67403176 Bulgarian
6.73817483 Croat_Lika
6.76256608 Croat_Slavonia
6.91340726 Csángó-Ceangău
7.08834960 Bulgarian_Northcentral

Dodecad

Gedrosia 5.24 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 28.17 Pct
North_European 37.78 Pct
South_Asian 0.24 Pct
East_African 0.59 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.42 Pct
East_Asian 0.46 Pct
Caucasus 22.09 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

How do you manage to find so many results, are all of these your matches on MyHeritage, or do you contact them? Do you have any Serbian results?

[Jana]

Thanks, yeah they aren't the most typical.:cool: I'll see what my parents will score, maybe it's some recombination of genes, maybe not. I'm really curious.
Well, one company gave Italy as genetic group ( under low confidence) and another tiny Ashkenazi. The second option seems more likely, but maybe non is true. Or both are. :p I really have to wait for my parents.
In Slavonia there will probably be a few results with elevated NA and East Med, but I can't imagine much people going below 30 Baltic :D But I didn't imagine Herzegovians with almost 37 Baltic neither.


It's really cool idea to have such a map!

Curious about your parents results. I don't know were there Italians in Slavonia, but in central Croatia they were for example (as railway workers). I perhaps heard something about Italians in and around Požega, but not sure about that. Did you check your matches (especially on gedmatch) for potential AJ ancestry?

Cheers!

[Jana]

Awesome maps I got from Ph2ter! :thumbsup:

https://i.imgur.com/CS64mMs.png

https://i.imgur.com/J5jNTHK.png
https://i.imgur.com/tYghZuL.png

[Russki]

Awesome maps I got from Ph2ter! :thumbsup:

https://i.imgur.com/CS64mMs.png

Everything around Latvia except Latvia itself :D

[Jana]

Everything around Latvia except Latvia itself :D

Yes, this is my modern similarity map where I'm closest to Hungarian, central-western Croatian and Slovenian populations.
But in my ancestry decomposition maps you can see my Slavic part is hyper northern and Baltic like, peaking around Lithuania/Latvia.

Stears Slavic part in comparison is rather different, East Slavic like (Belarussian/east Polish/Ukrainian)

[Russki]

Yes, this is my modern similarity map where I'm closest to Hungarian, central-western Croatian and Slovenian populations.
But in my ancestry decomposition maps you can see my Slavic part is hyper northern and Baltic like, peaking around Lithuania/Latvia.

Stears Slavic part in comparison is rather different, East Slavic like (Belarussian/east Polish/Ukrainian)

Estonians less Baltic than Latvians so you got a higher similarity with them

But how Finland is more similar than adjacent parts of Sweden, Estonia and Russia?

[Jana]

Estonians less Baltic than Latvians so you got a higher similarity with them

Similarity and ancestry decomposition are two different things. I am just half Baltic like. But my NE Euro part is closest to Latvia/Lithuania as you can see in second and third map.


But how Finland is more similar than adjacent parts of Sweden, Estonia and Russia?

I guess SW Finns are bit closer to me than Eeesti, rest of Finns and Pskov Russians (Germanic shift I assume), but it's tiny bit difference and all of them are very far anyways. :)

[Russki]

Similarity and ancestry decomposition are two different things. I am just half Baltic like. But my NE Euro part is closest to Latvia/Lithuania as you can see in second and third map.



I guess SW Finns are bit closer to me than Eeesti, rest of Finns and Pskov Russians (Germanic shift I assume), but it'0s tiny bit difference and all of them are very far anyways. :)

Germanic shift which is ignoring Sweden

[Jana]

Germanic shift which is ignoring Sweden

Your comment makes no sense.

[rothaer]

Similarity and ancestry decomposition are two different things. I am just half Baltic like. But my NE Euro part is closest to Latvia/Lithuania as you can see in second and third map.

I guess SW Finns are bit closer to me than Eeesti, rest of Finns and Pskov Russians (Germanic shift I assume), but it'0s tiny bit difference and all of them are very far anyways. :)

Yes, it works like this: As you can see in the coloured map, your ancient Balto-Slavic group (blue) is modeled by two components, Av2 (Avar_Szolad) and an ancient Estonian sample (or group of samples). Of these two is made a weighted average and that is then compared to modern pops on the map.

Funny that the weighted average for your four "Ancient_Illyrian" samples seems to peak in similarity in today's Corsica.

[Russki]

Your comment makes no sense.

SW Finland is a warmer color than Sweden

Swedish_Norrbotten is the warmest color in Northern Europe

https://i.imgur.com/2XjVJ7N.png

Something is going on here

[Jana]

SW Finland is a warmer color than Sweden

Swedish_Norrbotten is the warmest color in Northern Europe

https://i.imgur.com/2XjVJ7N.png

Something is going on here

Ok, and?

[Russki]

Ok, and?

I don't know

[Roy]

Yes, this is my modern similarity map where I'm closest to Hungarian, central-western Croatian and Slovenian populations.
But in my ancestry decomposition maps you can see my Slavic part is hyper northern and Baltic like, peaking around Lithuania/Latvia.

Stears Slavic part in comparison is rather different, East Slavic like (Belarussian/east Polish/Ukrainian)

Latvians seem severely deficient in one of component that you possess but I think you would fit pass as an actual Latvian just fine.

[Jana]

Latvians seem severely deficient in one of component that you possess but I think you would fit pass as an actual Latvian just fine.

That's possible.

[Marsa]

Curious about your parents results. I don't know were there Italians in Slavonia, but in central Croatia they were for example (as railway workers). I perhaps heard something about Italians in and around Požega, but not sure about that. Did you check your matches (especially on gedmatch) for potential AJ ancestry?

Cheers!

Yes, you heard right! There is a small Italian community close to Požega, village Plostine for example. They came by the end of 19th century from far northern Italy (somewhere around Dolomites) to work as bricklayers and coal miners and remained. Because of language barrier they didn't really mix with other people first. Majority of their descendants returned to Italy, but some of course remained. They brought horse sausages and snails to the Slavonian menu :-)
My family tree is older than that. The only realistic candidates could be my distant Lika roots, because members of that family lineage were partly settlers to Lika from northern Litorral, but that was so long time ago that I'm kind of sceptical it would reflect on autosomal.

Regarding Ashkenaz, I have one match in the top 30, but I also have a feeling that most people will find at least one. I may be wrong. Various traders and merchants were always crossing and settling in the region on individual level in a distant past. I also think that Slavonia needs more proper and detailed haplogroup research. Such a high percantage of R1a in Osijek by only ethnic Croats is impossible. Elevated G and J are also interesting.

[Marsa]

How do you manage to find so many results, are all of these your matches on MyHeritage, or do you contact them? Do you have any Serbian results?

Mostly through contacting ( I've been doing it for a few years already) ; and some are of course mine or friends matches. In a past year I collected quite a few results through Reddit and YouTube ( not only from uploaders but also commentators).

I have just a few Serbian results, but those are mostly the ones from Youtube, and after checking the thread I think they are already published by Commonsense. I told him already that if I see someone from Slavonia ( can be also from anywhere else), I will upload it in a thread.

Edit: what I forgot to mention is that I noticed when people are uploading on MH from other companies, they will often pop out as some kind of 'low confidence matches' on my list, even if they aren't my matches at all. Now, is this some kind of a bug of a company, or is it because I'm having the entire service, I don't know. Sometimes I can find them by searching name and surname only.

[Varda]

Yes, you heard right! There is a small Italian community close to Požega, village Plostine for example. They came by the end of 19th century from far northern Italy (somewhere around Dolomites) to work as bricklayers and coal miners and remained. Because of language barrier they didn't really mix with other people first. Majority of their descendants returned to Italy, but some of course remained. They brought horse sausages and snails to the Slavonian menu :-)
My family tree is older than that. The only realistic candidates could be my distant Lika roots, because members of that family lineage were partly settlers to Lika from northern Litorral, but that was so long time ago that I'm kind of sceptical it would reflect on autosomal.

Regarding Ashkenaz, I have one match in the top 30, but I also have a feeling that most people will find at least one. I may be wrong. Various traders and merchants were always crossing and settling in the region on individual level in a distant past. I also think that Slavonia needs more proper and detailed haplogroup research.Such a high percantage of R1a in Osijek by only ethnic Croats is impossible. Elevated G and J are also interesting.

Eastern Croatia = Slavonia
https://i.imgur.com/qPuMzWY.gif

[Marsa]

Eastern Croatia = Slavonia
https://i.imgur.com/qPuMzWY.gif

I know that, I was referring on Osijek and it's surroundings specifically. They look on paper as some kind of aliens in the region, but for those who know history of settlements those numbers/percantages can't be true. It's still the biggest town and important center, so in my opinion that research was lousy done, and nothing new came since than.

[Marsa]

I don't know if the results of this family have already been published, they are a bit older.

1.) Father is entirely from Vukomeričke Gorice(Vukomerić hills), a rural region half way between Zagreb, Sisak and Karlovac in Central Croatia( Velika Buna, Kozjača, Buševec, Gornji Vukojevec, Barbarići Kravarski )

Y-dna : E-35
MtDna : HVO-c

Population
North_Atlantic 28.91 Pct
Baltic 37.47 Pct
West_Med 11.29 Pct
West_Asian 7.55 Pct
East_Med 11.66 Pct
Red_Sea 1.54 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.9 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.06 Pct
Oceanian 0.61 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: T
4.20555585 Ukrainian_Carpathians
4.27303171 Hungarian_North
4.66187730 Lemko_Poland
4.90294809 Slovak
5.21640681 Croat_Central
5.28353102 Croat_Northwest
5.28576390 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
5.33010319 Czech
5.43331391 Ukrainian_Galicia
5.72026223 Ukrainian_Moldova
5.89751643 Hungarian_Alföld
6.04129953 Croat_Kvarner
6.11195550 Croat
6.27233609 Hungarian
6.31217078 Slovene
6.48399568 Austrian_Carinthia
6.51753788 Croat_GorskiKotar
6.67450373 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.06153666 Croat_Lika
7.10963431 Bosniak_Krajina_East
7.27548624 Moldovan_North
7.30989740 Croat_Slavonia
7.31056769 Polish_Subcarpathia
7.49682600 Croat_Bosnia
7.63323654 Polish_South
7.90968394 Croat_Istria
7.94354455 Ukrainian_South
7.95632453 German_Lower_Silesia
8.14887109 Bosniak
8.32140613 Croat_Herzegovina

Target: T
Distance: 1.6076% / 1.60763601 | ADC: 0.25x RC
58.3 Croat_Kvarner
39.1 Polish_Podlaskie
2.6 Lebanese_Druze

2.)His wife is 1/2 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medvednica (Gornja Bistra, Ogorjevo Bistransko),villages on northern slopes on Medvednica mountain + 1/2 Dalmatian ( Donji Proložac-Imotski)

Population
North_Atlantic 26.34 Pct
Baltic 38.17 Pct
West_Med 14.33 Pct
West_Asian 6.66 Pct
East_Med 9.69 Pct
Red_Sea 2.49 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.87 Pct
Amerindian 0.09 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.36 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: M
2.22400540 Ukrainian_Carpathians
3.32012048 Lemko_Poland
4.15321562 Ukrainian_Galicia
4.73524023 Ukrainian_Moldova
4.96310387 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
5.54367207 Hungarian_North
5.62380654 Slovak
5.69512072 Croat_Central
5.79187362 Bosniak_Krajina_East
6.32948655 Hungarian_Alföld
6.41100616 Croat_Northwest
6.41433551 Croat
6.58390462 Moldovan_North
6.62309595 Ukrainian_South
6.69599134 Polish_Subcarpathia
7.15378222 Croat_Lika
7.15993017 Slovene
7.22341332 Croat_Slavonia
7.22428543 Hungarian
7.22665206 Czech
7.22773824 Croat_Kvarner
7.59837483 Croat_Bosnia
7.77715244 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.83584073 Croat_GorskiKotar
7.86719772 Bosniak
7.87130866 Croat_Herzegovina
7.88536619 Polish_Silesia
7.93579234 Polish_South
7.95721685 Austrian_Carinthia
8.29640886 Croat_Dalmatia

Target: M
Distance: 1.4066% / 1.40656808 | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.7 Polish_Subcarpathia
24.6 Bosniak_Krajina_East
12.9 Ukrainian_Carpathians
7.4 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
3.3 Sardinian
3.1 Moroccan

^^Very Slavic score regardless being part Dalmatian, and similar to Croat from Tuzla

3.) Central + 1/4 Dalmatia (daughter)

North_Atlantic 27.44 Pct
Baltic 37.94 Pct
West_Med 13.79 Pct
West_Asian 6.54 Pct
East_Med 9.78 Pct
Red_Sea 2.41 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.5 Pct
Siberian 0.61 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: L
2.56513158 Ukrainian_Carpathians
2.91388057 Lemko_Poland
3.97963566 Ukrainian_Galicia
4.57387145 Slovak
4.60675591 Hungarian_North
4.78188247 Ukrainian_Moldova
5.04286625 Croat_Central
5.06093865 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
5.37686712 Croat_Northwest
5.76191808 Hungarian_Alföld
5.96752042 Bosniak_Krajina_East
6.01188822 Czech
6.06954694 Croat
6.23835716 Slovene
6.51694714 Hungarian
6.56583582 Polish_Subcarpathia
6.75314001 Croat_Kvarner
6.79566774 Ukrainian_South
6.93698061 Moldovan_North
6.96660606 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.98799685 Croat_Lika
6.98803978 Croat_GorskiKotar
7.05919259 Austrian_Carinthia
7.20290219 Croat_Slavonia
7.33218249 Polish_South
7.51929518 Croat_Bosnia
7.58350183 Polish_Silesia
7.99271543 Bosniak
8.08157163 Croat_Herzegovina
8.12514000 Croat_Istria

Target: L
Distance: 1.4630% / 1.46300988 | ADC: 0.25x RC
60.2 Lemko_Poland
30.2 Polish_Subcarpathia
5.6 Czech
3.2 Saudi
0.8 Dai

[vbnetkhio]

Croat from Slavonia, Probably

LW7186726

North_Atlantic 25.87 Pct
Baltic 33.99 Pct
West_Med 19.17 Pct
West_Asian 4.84 Pct
East_Med 12.6 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.23 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.17 Pct
Oceanian 1.12 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Marsa]

Another family :

1.) Central Croatia(Karlovac County)

K13
Population
North_Atlantic 25.68 Pct
Baltic 37.81 Pct
West_Med 15.57 Pct
West_Asian 6.88 Pct
East_Med 9.48 Pct
Red_Sea 2.04 Pct
South_Asian 0.51 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.19 Pct
Oceanian 0.27 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.57 Pct

Distance to: 1
3.09573901 Lemko_Poland
3.15857563 Ukrainian_Carpathians
4.66330355 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
4.84732916 Bosniak_Krajina_East
5.03591104 Ukrainian_Galicia
5.67751706 Croat_Central
5.71292394 Ukrainian_Moldova
6.14393197 Croat
6.17171775 Hungarian_North
6.18857011 Slovak
6.30991284 Moldovan_North
6.48612365 Hungarian_Alföld
6.70978390 Croat_Northwest
6.71078982 Croat_Slavonia
6.81295824 Croat_Lika
7.18859513 Croat_Bosnia
7.26528733 Croat_Kvarner
7.27379543 Croat_Herzegovina
7.36673605 Bosniak
7.40517387 Slovene
7.46684003 Hungarian
7.51232321 Ukrainian_South
7.77979434 Croat_Dalmatia
7.97161841 Polish_Subcarpathia
7.97482288 Croat_GorskiKotar
8.01921443 Croat_Istria
8.03110204 German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow)
8.04290370 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
8.08872672 Czech
8.29428116 Austrian_Carinthia
8.47377130 Polish_Silesia
8.62765322 Serb_Republika_Srpska
8.89663982 Polish_South
8.99204093 Romanian_North-Moldavia
9.11698963 Moldovan_Central

Target: 1
Distance: 0.8861% / 0.88605666 | ADC: 0.25x RC
65.9 Bosniak_Krajina_East
23.5 Latvian
5.6 Sardinian
4.2 Lemko_Poland
0.8 Moroccan_South

Dodecad K12b
Gedrosia 4.2 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 1.74 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 25.88 Pct
North_European 47.33 Pct
South_Asian 0.11 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.03 Pct
East_Asian 0.39 Pct
Caucasus 17.95 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.34 Pct

2.) Lika-Senj County

My Heritage
Balkan
91.6%
Croatia (Lika-Senj and Primorje-Gorski Kotar)
Croatia (Primorje-Gorski Kotar) and Southeastern Austria
Romania
Scandinavian
5.0%
Italian
1.9%
Finnish
1.5%

K13
Population
North_Atlantic 26.97 Pct
Baltic 27.6 Pct
West_Med 16.82 Pct
West_Asian 9.76 Pct
East_Med 16.15 Pct
Red_Sea 0.12 Pct
South_Asian 0.73 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.63 Pct
Oceanian 1.21 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance : 2
2.59445563 Romanian_Crişana
3.20317030 Serb_Vojvodina
3.24234483 Romanian_Maramureş
3.29636163 Serb_West
3.60799113 Serb
3.67581284 Serb_Croatia
3.75604846 Serb_Central
3.75636793 Serb_Herzegovina
3.91720564 Romanian_Transylvania
4.02923070 Bosniak_Krajina_West
4.04347623 Romanian_South-Moldavia
4.23484356 Montenegrin
4.29311076 Serb_South
4.41771434 Bosniak_Southeast
4.42790018 Romanian
4.59619408 Romanian_Banat
4.95220153 Serb_Republika_Srpska
4.96477593 Serb_Montenegro
5.14562921 Romanian_North-Moldavia
5.26615609 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.31991541 Croat_Dalmatia
5.35651939 Croat_Istria
5.55818316 Bosniak_Sandžak
5.57921141 Romanian_Oltenia
5.99022537 Croat_Bosnia
6.07743367 Moldovan
6.12370803 Moldovan_Central
6.22218611 Croat_Herzegovina
6.33835152 Bosniak
6.36630976 Romanian_Wallachia
6.46640549 Bulgarian_Northwestern
6.48138103 Moldovan_South
6.49177172 Croat_Lika
6.53672701 Romanian_Dobruja
6.57922488 Croat_Slavonia

Target: 2
Distance: 1.0554% / 1.05543415 | ADC: 0.25x RC
70.3 Bosniak_Krajina_West
18.0 Greek_Northern_Thrace
9.9 Italian_Aosta_Valley
1.4 Dargin
0.4 Papuan

Dodecad K12b
Gedrosia 3.72 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 26.18 Pct
North_European 41.04 Pct
South_Asian 1.2 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.59 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 24.27 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

3.) Central + Lika

My Heritage
Balkan
58.8%
Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina
Croatia (Lika-Senj and Primorje-Gorski Kotar)
East European
21.8%
Baltic
11.0%
Iberian
7.6%
Italian
0.8%

Additional genetic group
Italy (Emilia-Romagna and Tuscany) #2

K13
Population
North_Atlantic 25.65 Pct
Baltic 33.86 Pct
West_Med 19.04 Pct
West_Asian 7.41 Pct
East_Med 10.34 Pct
Red_Sea 2.09 Pct
South_Asian 0.45 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.44 Pct
Oceanian 0.72 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: 3
3.75019999 Bosniak_Krajina_East
4.94331872 Croat_Lika
5.04482904 Croat
5.05298921 Croat_Slavonia
5.14800932 Croat_Dalmatia
5.27881616 Croat_Herzegovina
5.30451694 Croat_Bosnia
5.61624430 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
5.62553109 Bosniak
5.73224214 Croat_Central
5.75306875 Serb_Republika_Srpska
5.78511884 Croat_Istria
6.10032786 Hungarian_Alföld
6.13351449 Moldovan_North
6.37863622 Lemko_Poland
6.39186984 Croat_Kvarner
6.75647837 Romanian_North-Moldavia
6.89822441 Bosniak_Southeast
6.90205042 Serb_West
6.92761864 Serb_Croatia
6.96162337 Csángó-Ceangău
7.10496305 Hungarian
7.12165009 Moldovan
7.13786383 Moldovan_Central
7.34042914 Serb
7.35041495 Bosniak_Krajina_West
7.51882970 Ukrainian_Carpathians
7.53151379 Romanian_Maramureş
7.60877125 Croat_GorskiKotar
7.75907855 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
7.92704863 Hungarian_North
7.96601532 Serb_Central
8.00107493 Slovene
8.03651666 Croat_Northwest
8.04694352 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely

Target: 3
Distance: 1.3650% / 1.36498013 | ADC: 0.25x RC
51.1 Bosniak_Krajina_East
21.0 Lemko_Poland
16.2 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
11.7 Sardinian

Dodecad K12b
Gedrosia 2.54 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.78 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 27.81 Pct
North_European 43.92 Pct
South_Asian 0.59 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.42 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 20.93 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Catnip]

@ Stearsolina
Are Croats and some Bosniaks descending from some eastern Slavic tribe? I'm asking because I noticed that they are often modeled with Balts,and often scoring Baltic and Finland on My Heritage.A bit more than others. Slovenes have it too,but much more germanic.Or is this just coincidence?

[Catnip]

I don't know if the results of this family have already been published, they are a bit older.

Y-dna : E-35
MtDna : HVO-c



Cool results,they are like Ruthenians.And some other ppl I've seen here regardless on region.
Is this E35 paleobalkan haplogroup?Is he a southern Croat on fathers side,or its common in central Croatia as well?

[Marsa]

Cool results,they are like Ruthenians.And some other ppl I've seen here regardless on region.
Is this E35 paleobalkan haplogroup?Is he a southern Croat on fathers side,or its common in central Croatia as well?

No, he is a local man as I wrote in description. His surname peaks in Varaždin county https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vara%C5%BEdin, in northern Croatia, and based on his family tree, an ancestor moved from there to the region I mentioned in the 18th century ( with this surname). All other ancestors are native to the region.

I think that E-M35 is Jewish haplogroup(I may be wrong), but surname isn't, which is interesting. Probably remnant of some old trader who intermarried and got assimilated long time ago. On K13 he has slightly elevated East Med as well, but it's really minor.

[Nausevar]

@ Stearsolina
Are Croats and some Bosniaks descending from some eastern Slavic tribe? I'm asking because I noticed that they are often modeled with Balts,and often scoring Baltic and Finland on My Heritage.A bit more than others. Slovenes have it too,but much more germanic.Or is this just coincidence?
I think that Kajkavian people (slovenians and northwestern croats) descend from western slavic tribes (R1a) who mixed with natives who were like northeastern Italians (Slovenia has almost 30% of R1b), while Čakavians and some Bosnians were east slavic tribes, more I2a2 than R1a, who mixed with a bit more southern natives but who were maybe less numerous. And finally, Serbian Štokavians (and some croats from Dalmatia and Istria) plot southerner because those slavic tribes mixed with Tuscan-like natives.

[Jana]

@ Stearsolina
Are Croats and some Bosniaks descending from some eastern Slavic tribe? I'm asking because I noticed that they are often modeled with Balts,and often scoring Baltic and Finland on My Heritage.A bit more than others. Slovenes have it too,but much more germanic.Or is this just coincidence?

I think most of Slavic input in Balkans is from "East Slavic" like source, except in NW Croatia where it can be more West Slavic (I read user from there wrote after collapse of Great Moravia some Slavs from there moved to northern Croatia for eg)
Croats/Bosniaks are just more Slavic than the rest. Seems like early Slavs were genetically close to Balts, even medieval Slavs of eastern Germany (who were West Slavic) were Baltic shifted.

[Russki]

Poles plot with Northern Ukrainians rather than Slovaks

Polans (tribe) live in Poland and Northern Ukraine

Stearsolina knows that I don't want to be associated with Poles, but trying to separate Ukrainians and Poles in the Middle Ages is some kind of Jewery

https://i.imgur.com/rOe1QqV.png

[Catnip]

I think that Kajkavian people (slovenians and northwestern croats) descend from western slavic tribes (R1a) who mixed with natives who were like northeastern Italians (Slovenia has almost 30% of R1b), while Čakavians and some Bosnians were east slavic tribes, more I2a2 than R1a, who mixed with a bit more southern natives but who were maybe less numerous. And finally, Serbian Štokavians (and some croats from Dalmatia and Istria) plot southerner because those slavic tribes mixed with Tuscan-like natives.
Thnx,that's interesting.Didnt know about diverse dialects


I think most of Slavic input in Balkans is from "East Slavic" like source, except in NW Croatia where it can be more West Slavic (I read user from there wrote after collapse of Great Moravia some Slavs from there moved to northern Croatia for eg)
Croats/Bosniaks are just more Slavic than the rest. Seems like early Slavs were genetically close to Balts, even medieval Slavs of eastern Germany (who were West Slavic) were Baltic shifted.

I thought I've read somewhere that Slovenes belong to eastern Slavic clade of R1a,but maybe I misunderstood it.
Its a cool theory about Moravia.
And what about Mongol invasion and new settlers afterwards?Teritory of northernmost Croatia should have been severaly damaged,right?

[Catnip]

I think that E-M35 is Jewish haplogroup(I may be wrong), but surname isn't, which is interesting. Probably remnant of some old trader who intermarried and got assimilated long time ago. On K13 he has slightly elevated East Med as well, but it's really minor.

Seems legit.Were there many Jewish communities in older times in Croatia?

[Marsa]

=Catnip;7429092]Were there many Jewish communities in older times in Croatia?

You think medieval era? Don't know about every single region, but in Slavonia (Osijek), archaeological remains of the synagogue are dated to the 3-4th century, which was long before Slavs came; and also they've been mentioned in Dubrovnik, old Salona,etc. According to some sources, they came with Romans.
*****
To answer your question about Baltic/Finland estimates. People who only watch MH, and are unfamiliar with proper research, often ask the same question, you are not the first one.
You have to know that MH is only one company, not the most accurate one, and they are basing their ethnicities on the regions they have chosen(and modern populations)-not ancient peoples/tribes.
Their "Eastern Europe" is based on modern Poles - but not on the entire country.
100% score brings around 30 "North Atlantic" on K13, and sometimes even more.

That's something some individuals are often lacking. When "NA" is below the average, and Baltic percentage huge, MH is rather giving massive amounts of "Baltic" next to "Balkan"( Eastern Eu is in Balkan). It's just a game of an algorithm. They are comparing you with modern day region in Poland, not ancient proto Slav, that's all.
K13 is also based on modern populations.

"Finland" is on average given more to Croats and Bosnians than to Poles, that's true. Some Croats are having truly huge percentages in individual scores. Now, was there some Slavic bunch who brought more of elevated steppic input, it's difficult to say. We are desperately lacking Slavic samples from the Balkans.
That being said, this doesn't need to be exclusively associated with medieval Slavic migrations at all.

[Marsa]

Istria (Rovinj) + Herzegovina (northern/Konjic)

K13
Population
North_Atlantic 27.68 Pct
Baltic 31.84 Pct
West_Med 15.01 Pct
West_Asian 9.31 Pct
East_Med 13.09 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.38 Pct
East_Asian 1.67 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.66 Pct
Oceanian 0.12 Pct
Northeast_African 0.23 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: X
2.61233612 Croat_Istria
2.67161000 Croat_Kvarner
2.81749889 Croat_Lika
2.83758700 Croat_Dalmatia
2.88671093 Bosniak_Krajina_West
2.89917230 Croat_Bosnia
3.03894719 Croat
3.36606595 Croat_Slavonia
3.77675787 Bosniak
3.88443046 Croat_Herzegovina
4.04456425 Serb_Republika_Srpska
4.08356462 Romanian_North-Moldavia
4.37411705 Hungarian_Alföld
4.48519788 Romanian_Maramureş
4.49064583 Csángó-Ceangău
4.50458655 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
4.54997802 Bosniak_Krajina_East
4.58414659 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.59443141 Serb_Croatia
4.69294151 Croat_Central
4.88788298 Serb_West
4.97994980 Moldovan_North
5.01374112 Hungarian
5.16352593 Bosniak_Southeast
5.19732624 Moldovan_Central
5.35428800 Moldovan
5.41276270 Serb
5.52249038 Croat_GorskiKotar
5.76917672 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.78514477 Serb_Central

Target: X
Distance: 1.0083% / 1.00829574 | ADC: 0.25x RC
66.9 Bosniak_Krajina_West
23.6 Lemko_Poland
6.2 German_County_Glatz
2.2 Dargin
1.1 Dai

Dodecad K12b
Gedrosia 4.68 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.64 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.46 Pct
Atlantic_Med 26.26 Pct
North_European 43.57 Pct
South_Asian 0.67 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.12 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 20.6 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Jana]

Result of a friend. 50% southern, 50% central Croatia.

North_Atlantic 25.62 Pct
Baltic 34.66 Pct
West_Med 18.21 Pct
West_Asian 7.14 Pct
East_Med 13.47 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.58 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.23 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

3.16107577 Croat_Slavonia
3.75030665 Croat_Herzegovina
4.08715060 Croat_Bosnia
4.23104006 Croat_Lika
4.55983552 Bosniak
4.58140808 Croat_Istria
4.58513904 Croat_Dalmatia
4.60431320 Serb_Republika_Srpska
4.65875520 Croat
4.68748333 Bosniak_Krajina_East
4.81155900 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
5.56329938 Moldovan_North
5.70108762 Bosniak_Southeast
5.71571518 Serb_Croatia
5.79466134 Croat_Kvarner
5.82057557 Romanian_North-Moldavia
5.89142597 Croat_Central
5.92135964 Bosniak_Krajina_West
6.11924832 Serb_West
6.14538851 Moldovan
6.21786137 Moldovan_Central
6.32857014 Serb
6.41190299 Hungarian_Alföld
6.42749562 Lemko_Poland
6.55492944 Serb_Central

Distance: 2.8712% / 2.87120712 | R2P

90.5 Croat_Slavonia
9.5 German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow)

Distance: 2.9018% / 2.90184101 | R2P

75.8 Lemko_Poland
24.2 Greek_Northern_Thrace

[Marsa]

1.) Istria (southeast-Rakalj) + Dalmatia (Zaton-Zadar County)

K13
North_Atlantic 22.2 Pct
Baltic 28.71 Pct
West_Med 16.24 Pct
West_Asian 10.58 Pct
East_Med 16.57 Pct
Red_Sea 1.27 Pct
South_Asian 1.62 Pct
East_Asian 1.3 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.61 Pct
Oceanian 0.57 Pct
Northeast_African 0.32 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: Puležan
2.53944876 Serb_South
3.02263130 Moldovan_South
3.45214426 Romanian_South-Moldavia
3.46044795 Serb_Vojvodina
3.53277511 Serb_Herzegovina
3.59818010 Romanian
3.72679487 Serb
3.83658702 Romanian_Crişana
3.86045334 Romanian_Transylvania
4.05700629 Serb_Central
4.06767747 Moldovan
4.13170667 Bosniak_Southeast
4.15388974 Romanian_Banat
4.24936466 Montenegrin
4.27691478 Bulgarian_Northwestern
4.36126129 Moldovan_Central
4.38381113 Serb_Croatia
4.61068325 Serb_West
4.73267366 Romanian_Maramureş
4.73869180 Romanian_Dobruja
4.84581263 Romanian_North-Moldavia
4.97000000 Serb_Republika_Srpska
4.97087517 Romanian_Oltenia
5.03363686 Romanian_Wallachia
5.06969427 Serb_Montenegro
5.24051524 Romanian_Muntenia
5.80658247 Bulgarian_Southwestern
5.83901533 Bosniak
5.86978705 Bosniak_Sandžak
6.01606183 Croat_Herzegovina
6.09503076 Bulgarian_Northcentral
6.10178662 Bulgarian
6.15646002 Pomak_Bulgaria
6.45069764 Croat_Dalmatia
6.65004511 Bosniak_Krajina_West
6.96431619 Bulgarian_Southcentral
7.00985021 Croat_Bosnia
7.35957200 Moldovan_North
7.37585927 Croat_Istria
7.48791693 Pomak_Greece
7.59497202 Croat_Slavonia
7.90730675 Bulgarian_Northeastern
8.05949130 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely

Target: Puležan
Distance: 1.8576% / 1.85760855 | R2P
80.6 Moldovan
19.4 Greek_Central_Macedonia

Target: Puležan
Distance: 0.7875% / 0.78752406 | R4P
60.9 Pomak_Bulgaria
23.4 Bosniak_Krajina_West
13.5 German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow)
2.2 Ho

Dodecad K12b
Gedrosia 5.53 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1 Pct
Atlantic_Med 24.45 Pct
North_European 38.04 Pct
South_Asian 1.11 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.98 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 23.86 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

2.)Istria (central-Žminj)
It's from Youtube, so I have only K13

North_Atlantic 25.92 Pct
Baltic 28.06 Pct
West_Med 22.77 Pct
West_Asian 9.58 Pct
East_Med 11.46 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.69 Pct
Siberian 0.68 Pct
Amerindian 0.86 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: Žminj
6.62372252 Serb_West
7.35897411 Serb
7.67760379 Serb_Herzegovina
7.70937741 Romanian_Maramureş
7.78403494 Serb_Republika_Srpska
7.78829250 Serb_Croatia
7.92889652 Montenegrin
7.97936088 Croat_Dalmatia
8.01225936 Romanian_Crişana
8.17192144 Bosniak_Southeast
8.24038834 Csángó-Ceangău
8.28102651 Serb_Central
8.34790393 Serb_Montenegro
8.38551131 Romanian_Transylvania
8.65015029 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
8.66663718 Croat_Istria
8.77470227 Romanian_South-Moldavia
8.81819142 Bosniak_Sandžak
8.85475578 Romanian_Banat
8.86517907 Romanian_North-Moldavia
8.87926236 Croat_Herzegovina
8.90845666 Romanian
8.91006173 Croat_Lika
8.98871515 Bosniak_Krajina_West
9.01254126 Croat_Bosnia
9.19813568 Croat_Slavonia
9.22669497 Moldovan
9.23177123 Bosniak
9.30758293 Romanian_Oltenia
9.35263599 Bosniak_Krajina_East
9.39218292 Moldovan_Central
9.63438114 Croat
10.03675744 German_Bavarian_Swabia
10.22976051 Croat_Kvarner
10.23523815 Romanian_Dobruja

Target: Žminj
Distance: 4.3536% / 4.35361394 | R2P
76.8 Lemko_Poland
23.2 Sardinian


Target: Žminj
Distance: 1.2470% / 1.24704581 | R4P
46.1 German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow)
22.3 German_Bavarian_Swabia
21.0 Sardinian
10.6 Balkar

[Marsa]

Dalmatia (Sinj region)

My Heritage
Balkan
85.5%
Bosnia and Herzegovina and Southwestern Croatia
Croatia (Split-Dalmatia) and Bosnia and Herzegovina
Iberian
8.2%
Scandinavian
5.4%
Middle Eastern
0.9%

Additional genetic group :
Albanians in North Macedonia and in Albania

K13
Population
North_Atlantic 24.49 Pct
Baltic 31.23 Pct
West_Med 16.42 Pct
West_Asian 8.06 Pct
East_Med 16.06 Pct
Red_Sea 1.99 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.25 Pct
Siberian 0.14 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.37 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Distance to: A
1.65224090 Bosniak_Southeast
2.21921157 Serb_Croatia
2.31179584 Serb_Central
2.57266399 Serb_Republika_Srpska
2.73618347 Serb
2.99290828 Croat_Herzegovina
3.04184155 Romanian_North-Moldavia
3.12710729 Bosniak
3.13030350 Serb_Vojvodina
3.20594760 Moldovan
3.37729181 Serb_West
3.50837569 Moldovan_Central
3.51801080 Serb_Herzegovina
3.63767783 Croat_Bosnia
3.67758073 Croat_Dalmatia
3.68823806 Romanian_Maramureş
3.77262508 Serb_South
3.97683291 Bosniak_Krajina_West
4.07655492 Croat_Slavonia
4.08024509 Croat_Istria
4.59124166 Romanian_Crişana
4.87206322 Croat_Lika
5.04152755 Moldovan_South
5.19026011 Romanian_South-Moldavia
5.39223516 Moldovan_North
5.59215522 Montenegrin
5.62586882 Romanian_Transylvania
5.87710813 Romanian
5.93473673 Croat
6.02687315 Bosniak_Krajina_East

Target: A
Distance: 1.5092% / 1.50920801 | R2P
60.2 Greek_Western_Thrace
39.8 Latvian

Target: A
Distance: 0.8775% / 0.87747999 | R4P
59.0 German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow)
18.6 Albanian_Tosk
11.3 Swiss_Italian
11.1 Lebanese_Druze

Dodecad K12b
Gedrosia 5.22 Pct
Siberian 0.69 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.4 Pct
Atlantic_Med 29.52 Pct
North_European 38.5 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.63 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 20.03 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Catnip]

@Marsa,^^^ Albanian genetic group is interesting.Is this even common,and if yes how common?
Is there some historical connection?

~Edit: on this I meant

Dalmatia (Sinj region)

My Heritage
Balkan
85.5%
Bosnia and Herzegovina and Southwestern Croatia
Croatia (Split-Dalmatia) and Bosnia and Herzegovina
Iberian
8.2%
Scandinavian
5.4%
Middle Eastern
0.9%

Additional genetic group :
Albanians in North Macedonia and in Albania

[Marsa]

@Marsa,^^^ Albanian genetic group is interesting.Is this even common,and if yes how common?
No, actually not so common, especially not in Split-Dalmatia county. I've seen really masses of results from there, including even a few people from this persons village. But this person has something others don't have, and that's a distant ancestor from Zadar county - which brings answer to your second question :)))


Is there some historical connection?

Yes, in Zadar you have small Albanian/Arbanas community that settled there in the18th century.
If you want to see how this contribution looks like, when ancestor is more recent, you can take a look at post #40 by Ayetooey. That's minor Arbanaška - more recent.

Besides Zadar, some kind of connection can come from Bosnia, because some Arbanasi settled there too.

And one more thing, this group "Albanians North Macedonia" as well as "Greece 2" is Vlach/Aromanian as well. Also, in some cases those IBD communities are given because of some similarity with the reference group.

[Catnip]

If you want to see how this contribution looks like, when ancestor is more recent, you can take a look at post #40 by Ayetooey.

Ok,too low north atlantic for Dalmatia +quite high West Asia,that looks more like south Balkan/South Italian contribution.I noticed this in Romanian results in parts where Greeks settled.

Thnx for explanation:thumb001:

[Marsa]

Ok,too low north atlantic for Dalmatia +quite high West Asia,that looks more like south Balkan/South Italian contribution.I noticed this in Romanian results in parts where Greeks settled.

Thnx for explanation:thumb001:

You're welcome! Just a small correction...

For elevated West Asia, etc., is not necessary to have a recent foreign origin. Such a trace ancestry can be seen, especially in the south.

According to the Roman tradition, the servants of an empire with lower ranking, whether soldiers or even slaves, would receive land to settle after serving their term, as far away from the city walls as possible.
In the case of the old province of Dalmatia, this would be its present day hinterland, and the area of Herzegovina and Western Bosnia. Of course, in the old days, the immediate vicinity of the river was also important.

Probably as in Rome itself, those people were of heterogeneous origin. The "Roman" could genetically be a modern pseudo French as well as pseudo Cypriot.
To have something a bit exotic is not surprising, and it's appearing in very isolated areas.

[Vitez]

I did a dna test not long ago, so I tried using vahaduo to get more into details and what a surprise!
For your information, I thought I was a bosniak.

K13 results :
Distance to: karlo
3.11943905 Croat
3.84404735 Hungarian
3.89687054 Croat_Southern
4.30882815 Csángó-Ceangău
4.41474801 Croat_Northern
4.55898015 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.22261429 Romanian_North
5.26769399 Bosniak
5.55153132 Austrian_Carinthia
5.71420161 Hungarian_North
5.81712988 Slovene
6.31396864 Moldovan_North
6.57997720 Moldovan_Central
7.03663272 Serb
7.12381920 Lemko_Poland
7.43460154 Austrian_Styria
7.61192486 Ukrainian_Carpathians
7.93373808 Slovak
9.15530993 Czech
9.53278029 Romanian_Centre
9.97866725 Ukrainian_Galicia
10.20099015 Romanian
10.20867768 Montenegrin
10.39231447 Austrian
10.86846815 Moldovan_South

Distance to: karlo
3.11943905 Croat
3.20034373 Croat_Lika
3.29034953 Hungarian_Alföld
3.73044233 Croat_Central
3.78227445 Croat_Kvarner
3.78420401 Croat_Istria
4.00263663 Croat_Bosnia
4.18848421 Croat_Dalmatia
4.29214399 Croat_Slavonia
4.30882815 Csángó-Ceangău
4.55898015 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.57855873 Romanian_Moldavia_North
4.59757545 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
4.70735595 Croat_GorskiKotar
4.91745869 Bosniak_Krajina_East
5.19086698 Serb_NorthEastBosnia
5.26769399 Bosniak
5.30816352 Bosniak_Krajina_West
5.32412434 Croat_Herzegovina
5.45455773 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
5.55153132 Austrian_Carinthia
5.71420161 Hungarian_North
5.81712988 Slovene
5.88391876 Romanian_Maramureş
5.90155064 Serb_WestSerbia

It seems that someone lied to me haha

Just a quick question regarding the austrian part
Does it mean that I have germanic dna ? I'm quite new to this dna stuff.

[Vitez]

I did a dna test not long ago, so I tried using vahaduo to get more into details and what a surprise!
For your information, I thought I was a bosniak.

K13 results :
Distance to: karlo
3.11943905 Croat
3.84404735 Hungarian
3.89687054 Croat_Southern
4.30882815 Csángó-Ceangău
4.41474801 Croat_Northern
4.55898015 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.22261429 Romanian_North
5.26769399 Bosniak
5.55153132 Austrian_Carinthia
5.71420161 Hungarian_North
5.81712988 Slovene
6.31396864 Moldovan_North
6.57997720 Moldovan_Central
7.03663272 Serb
7.12381920 Lemko_Poland
7.43460154 Austrian_Styria
7.61192486 Ukrainian_Carpathians
7.93373808 Slovak
9.15530993 Czech
9.53278029 Romanian_Centre
9.97866725 Ukrainian_Galicia
10.20099015 Romanian
10.20867768 Montenegrin
10.39231447 Austrian
10.86846815 Moldovan_South

Distance to: karlo
3.11943905 Croat
3.20034373 Croat_Lika
3.29034953 Hungarian_Alföld
3.73044233 Croat_Central
3.78227445 Croat_Kvarner
3.78420401 Croat_Istria
4.00263663 Croat_Bosnia
4.18848421 Croat_Dalmatia
4.29214399 Croat_Slavonia
4.30882815 Csángó-Ceangău
4.55898015 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.57855873 Romanian_Moldavia_North
4.59757545 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
4.70735595 Croat_GorskiKotar
4.91745869 Bosniak_Krajina_East
5.19086698 Serb_NorthEastBosnia
5.26769399 Bosniak
5.30816352 Bosniak_Krajina_West
5.32412434 Croat_Herzegovina
5.45455773 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
5.55153132 Austrian_Carinthia
5.71420161 Hungarian_North
5.81712988 Slovene
5.88391876 Romanian_Maramureş
5.90155064 Serb_WestSerbia

It seems that someone lied to me haha

Just a quick question regarding the austrian part
Does it mean that I have germanic dna ? I'm quite new to this dna stuff.

[Nausevar]

I did a dna test not long ago, so I tried using vahaduo to get more into details and what a surprise!
For your information, I thought I was a bosniak.

K13 results :
Distance to: karlo
3.11943905 Croat
3.84404735 Hungarian
3.89687054 Croat_Southern
4.30882815 Csángó-Ceangău
4.41474801 Croat_Northern
4.55898015 Hungarian_Transylvania
5.22261429 Romanian_North
5.26769399 Bosniak
5.55153132 Austrian_Carinthia
5.71420161 Hungarian_North
5.81712988 Slovene
6.31396864 Moldovan_North
6.57997720 Moldovan_Central
7.03663272 Serb
7.12381920 Lemko_Poland
7.43460154 Austrian_Styria
7.61192486 Ukrainian_Carpathians
7.93373808 Slovak
9.15530993 Czech
9.53278029 Romanian_Centre
9.97866725 Ukrainian_Galicia
10.20099015 Romanian
10.20867768 Montenegrin
10.39231447 Austrian
10.86846815 Moldovan_South

Distance to: karlo
3.11943905 Croat
3.20034373 Croat_Lika
3.29034953 Hungarian_Alföld
3.73044233 Croat_Central
3.78227445 Croat_Kvarner
3.78420401 Croat_Istria
4.00263663 Croat_Bosnia
4.18848421 Croat_Dalmatia
4.29214399 Croat_Slavonia
4.30882815 Csángó-Ceangău
4.55898015 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
4.57855873 Romanian_Moldavia_North
4.59757545 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
4.70735595 Croat_GorskiKotar
4.91745869 Bosniak_Krajina_East
5.19086698 Serb_NorthEastBosnia
5.26769399 Bosniak
5.30816352 Bosniak_Krajina_West
5.32412434 Croat_Herzegovina
5.45455773 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
5.55153132 Austrian_Carinthia
5.71420161 Hungarian_North
5.81712988 Slovene
5.88391876 Romanian_Maramureş
5.90155064 Serb_WestSerbia

It seems that someone lied to me haha

Just a quick question regarding the austrian part
Does it mean that I have germanic dna ? I'm quite new to this dna stuff.

No, absolutely not.
Genetic testing works like this: you upload your raw DNA file and the calculator divides your DNA in components and compares your admixture with other samples. Then it calculates the distance you have from them based on those components.
What this oracle says is just that you are genetically close to people who self-identify as croats. Bosnian muslims are not all the same, some are closer to their orthodox neighbours, others are closer to the catholic ones. All are similar to each other btw, but there is a tendency among catholics to have more "slavic" input, while the orthodox have a bit more balkanic, pre-slavic admixture. Muslims are somewhere in between. Muslims from Bihac, central Bosnia and Mostar are more southern, while those from northeastern Bosnia (Tuzla, Brcko) are more northern, hence they result closer to croats.

[Vitez]

Thanks for your answer !
So it's only a question of input. I got a lot of slavic input it seems.
Target: karlo
Distance: 0.3613% / 0.36132780 | R3P
51.3 Slavic
37.2 Balkan_IA
11.5 Germanic

Quiet interesting what you say because my parents come from the Krajina region really close to the croatian border and I get "croat_south" in first place in another calculator.

For dodecat k12b I get this :
Distance to: karlo
2.49206741 Croat_South
3.29981818 Bosnian
3.38611872 Croat
4.12956414 Moldovan_North
4.63758558 Slovenian
4.68867785 Hungarian
4.78693012 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
4.80811813 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.23135738 Hungarian_Alföld
5.64907072 Moldovan_Central
5.70806447 Hungarian_North
5.82782978 Serb
6.60044695 Ukrainian_Southwest
9.15018033 Moldovan_South
9.21495524 Czech
9.24778352 Slovak
9.48484054 Montenegrin
10.97084318 German_Bavaria
11.29255950 Austrian_Tyrol
12.32879151 Bulgarian_West
12.71396083 German
12.78973807 Swiss_French
13.52594174 Pomak_Bulgaria
13.59730856 Sorb_Lusatia
13.60290778 Swiss_German

What I find surprising also in all these calculators is that I'm genetically closer to hungarians than to serbs.

[Nausevar]

Thanks for your answer !
So it's only a question of input. I got a lot of slavic input it seems.
Target: karlo
Distance: 0.3613% / 0.36132780 | R3P
51.3 Slavic
37.2 Balkan_IA
11.5 Germanic

Quiet interesting what you say because my parents come from the Krajina region really close to the croatian border and I get "croat_south" in first place in another calculator.

For dodecat k12b I get this :
Distance to: karlo
2.49206741 Croat_South
3.29981818 Bosnian
3.38611872 Croat
4.12956414 Moldovan_North
4.63758558 Slovenian
4.68867785 Hungarian
4.78693012 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
4.80811813 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.23135738 Hungarian_Alföld
5.64907072 Moldovan_Central
5.70806447 Hungarian_North
5.82782978 Serb
6.60044695 Ukrainian_Southwest
9.15018033 Moldovan_South
9.21495524 Czech
9.24778352 Slovak
9.48484054 Montenegrin
10.97084318 German_Bavaria
11.29255950 Austrian_Tyrol
12.32879151 Bulgarian_West
12.71396083 German
12.78973807 Swiss_French
13.52594174 Pomak_Bulgaria
13.59730856 Sorb_Lusatia
13.60290778 Swiss_German

What I find surprising also in all these calculators is that I'm genetically closer to hungarians than to serbs.
Yes, you are between hungarians and serbs but closer to hungarians.
Krajina surely has a certain variance. Could you post your K13 components? There is an apposite thread for Bosniak gedmatch results.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Does anyone happen to have GEDmatch results for Italian Istrians? Always been curious to see how they came out.

[Vitez]

Yes, you are between hungarians and serbs but closer to hungarians.
Krajina surely has a certain variance. Could you post your K13 components? There is an apposite thread for Bosniak gedmatch results.

Yes, here you go:
Baltic31.64
North_Atlantic28
West_Med15.95
East_Med11.35
West_Asian6.16
Red_Sea2.56
South_Asian1.53
Siberian1.28
Northeast_African1.02
Amerindian0.51

[Tanais]

Does anyone happen to have GEDmatch results for Italian Istrians? Always been curious to see how they came out.
Hi Ajeje, do you know where I can get the MDLP K16 codes for these two Yamnaya samples?

Yamnaya_Bulgaria:Bul4_Yamnaya_Bulgaria_outlier,2.2 3,27.32,0.08,1.25,13.98,54.94,0.21
Yamnaya_Ukraine_outlier:I1917_Yamnaya_Ukraine_Ozer a,3.57,42.83,1.87,1.68,6.23,43.83,0

[Nausevar]

Does anyone happen to have GEDmatch results for Italian Istrians? Always been curious to see how they came out.
Yeah, I wanted to open a thread about it. Istrians who lived in western coast of Istria were probably close to modern Friuli samples, but I'm very curious about italian speakers from dalmatia including the islands. Were they croatians who just integrated in the italian culture and therefore chose the italian side? Or where they a mixture of natives and slavs and italians from the peninsula? That's a mystery because the descendants of WWII refugees mixed with Italians from Italy for generations now.

[Jana]

Does anyone happen to have GEDmatch results for Italian Istrians? Always been curious to see how they came out.

I would like to see that as well.

[Nitrolic]

Mother from Zadar father from Sinj (me)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.51
2 North_Atlantic 25.89
3 West_Med 16.13
4 East_Med 12.23
5 West_Asian 9.31
6 Red_Sea 2.87
7 Siberian 1.27
8 Oceanian 0.75
9 Amerindian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.53
2 Serbian 4.94
3 Croatian 5.62
4 Hungarian 7.19
5 Romanian 8.4
6 Bulgarian 10.57
7 Austrian 10.92
8 East_German 11.83
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.89
10 South_Polish 12.79
11 Ukrainian 13.35
12 Polish 16.26
13 Southwest_Russian 16.79
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.06
15 West_German 17.6
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.38
17 Estonian_Polish 18.96
18 South_Dutch 18.96
19 Greek_Thessaly 19.17
20 Belorussian 19.56

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.1% Moldavian + 39.9% Serbian @ 1.75
2 68.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 31.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.8
3 69.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30.7% West_Sicilian @ 1.86
4 58.9% Romanian + 41.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.88
5 82.6% Croatian + 17.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.9
6 83.1% Croatian + 16.9% Central_Greek @ 1.92
7 60.8% Croatian + 39.2% Romanian @ 1.97
8 83.8% Croatian + 16.2% East_Sicilian @ 1.98
9 85.2% Croatian + 14.8% South_Italian @ 1.99
10 88% Moldavian + 12% North_Italian @ 2.04
11 83.5% Croatian + 16.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.05
12 87.2% Croatian + 12.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.08
13 88.9% Moldavian + 11.1% Tuscan @ 2.08
14 72.3% Serbian + 27.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.08
15 53.8% Serbian + 46.2% Croatian @ 2.11
16 78.5% Croatian + 21.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.12
17 65.5% Ukrainian + 34.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.15
18 66.6% Croatian + 33.4% Bulgarian @ 2.17
19 72.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 27.8% South_Italian @ 2.2
20 66.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 33.8% Tuscan @ 2.21

[Marsa]

1.)My friend; he used both 23andMe and MyHeritage ; Haplogroup I-Y3120, mtDNA : J2b

MyHeritage

Balkan
74.9%
Northern and Western European
11.2%
Irish, Scottish, Welsh
7.8%
Ashkenazi Jewish
6.1%

K13

North_Atlantic 27.15 Pct
Baltic 30.58 Pct
West_Med 15.19 Pct
West_Asian 6.93 Pct
East_Med 18.26 Pct
Red_Sea 0.86 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.33 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.71 Pct

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 5.56 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 1.22 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 28.56 Pct
North_European 40.3 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.64 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 19.6 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.11 Pct

2.) His half-brother; Haplogroup I1 (Morley estimate)

My Heritage
Balkan
94.6%
Irish, Scottish, Welsh
5.4%

K13

North_Atlantic 29.56 Pct
Baltic 29.86 Pct
West_Med 14.84 Pct
West_Asian 4.03 Pct
East_Med 17.54 Pct
Red_Sea 2.06 Pct
South_Asian 0.23 Pct
East_Asian 0.74 Pct
Siberian 0.21 Pct
Amerindian 0.36 Pct
Oceanian 0.57 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 3.86 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 1.42 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.6 Pct
Atlantic_Med 28.84 Pct
North_European 40.71 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.45 Pct
East_Asian 0.67 Pct
Caucasus 19.45 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Marsa]

3.)^^ Their friend from Zadar hinterland(Kruševo)
Haplogroup : 12a ( Morley estimate)


https://youtu.be/bW0zyan-YEQ

K13

North_Atlantic 29.68 Pct
Baltic 31.33 Pct
West_Med 14.68 Pct
West_Asian 6.1 Pct
East_Med 13 Pct
Red_Sea 3.2 Pct
South_Asian 0.89 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.12 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 3.47 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 1.96 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 27.63 Pct
North_European 41.55 Pct
South_Asian 0.85 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.76 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 20.78 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Marsa]

4.)

MyHeritage
Balkan
56.6%
Greek and South Italian
31.7%
Baltic
9.3%
Finnish
2.2%

K13

North_Atlantic 25.05 Pct
Baltic 29.51 Pct
West_Med 18.45 Pct
West_Asian 6.22 Pct
East_Med 16.23 Pct
Red_Sea 1.35 Pct
South_Asian 1.91 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.05 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.21 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 3.26 Pct
Siberian 0.48 Pct
Northwest_African0.45 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 27.77 Pct
North_European 38.44 Pct
South_Asian 1.38 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.37 Pct
East_Asian 0.6 Pct
Caucasus 21.25 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

5.) Australian Croat from Zadar County

K13

North_Atlantic 23.21 Pct
Baltic 26.75 Pct
West_Med 21.6 Pct
West_Asian 6.19 Pct
East_Med 16.92 Pct
Red_Sea 2.22 Pct
South_Asian 1.47 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.88 Pct
Amerindian 0.58 Pct
Oceanian 0.18 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 4.94 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 28.1 Pct
North_European 36.38 Pct
South_Asian 0.69 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.39 Pct
East_Asian 1.09 Pct
Caucasus 22.41 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Marsa]

6.) Islands Silba/Pag + Ražanac/Slivnica

K13

North_Atlantic 29.62 Pct
Baltic 31.19 Pct
West_Med 15.8 Pct
West_Asian 8.48 Pct
East_Med 13.18 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.26 Pct
East_Asian 0.06 Pct
Siberian 1.08 Pct
Amerindian 0.06 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.26 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 4.52 Pct
Siberian 0.89 Pct
Northwest_African 1.7 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 27.43 Pct
North_European 43.08 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.32 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 19.05 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

7.)

K13

North_Atlantic 25.81 Pct
Baltic 27.67 Pct
West_Med 14.63 Pct
West_Asian 7.38 Pct
East_Med 20.23 Pct
Red_Sea 1.32 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.52 Pct
Siberian 0.9 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.75 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.81 Pct

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 3.86 Pct
Siberian 0.2 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.61 Pct
Atlantic_Med 27.31 Pct
North_European 38.31 Pct
South_Asian 0.09 Pct
East_African 0.2 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.94 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 23.48 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

8.)

K13

North_Atlantic 25.33 Pct
Baltic 26.15 Pct
West_Med 15.91 Pct
West_Asian 9.93 Pct
East_Med 15.98 Pct
Red_Sea 3.13 Pct
South_Asian 0.62 Pct
East_Asian 0.27 Pct
Siberian 0.66 Pct
Amerindian 1.12 Pct
Oceanian 0.78 Pct
Northeast_African 0.14 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 8.18 Pct
Siberian 1.16 Pct
Northwest_African 0.64 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 27.26 Pct
North_European 36.29 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.96 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 19.47 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

^^ Feiichy and Moro,
these are all their matches, and some of the kits are older, but only now I have managed to determine full ancestry. I will edit if they have already been posted

[Catnip]

3.)^^ Their friend from Zadar hinterland(Kruševo)
Haplogroup : 12a ( Morley estimate)


https://youtu.be/bW0zyan-YEQ

K13

North_Atlantic 29.68 Pct
Baltic 31.33 Pct
West_Med 14.68 Pct
West_Asian 6.1 Pct
East_Med 13 Pct
Red_Sea 3.2 Pct
South_Asian 0.89 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.12 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 3.47 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 1.96 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 27.63 Pct
North_European 41.55 Pct
South_Asian 0.85 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.76 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 20.78 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Zadar viking! lel Wow, 25% Scandinavia. I remember this vid, but he never posted gedmatch. It seems not to be accurate? Does he have some distant foreign ancestry ?

[Selene]

Is K13 still relevant?

Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.66
2 North_Atlantic 25.62
3 East_Med 15.67
4 West_Med 13.45
5 West_Asian 6.47
6 Amerindian 1.62
7 East_Asian 1.05
8 South_Asian 0.66
9 Northeast_African 0.6
10 Red_Sea 0.2


Dodecad K12b

Population Percent
1 North_European 43.15
2 Atlantic_Med 26.14
3 Caucasus 19.7
4 Southwest_Asian 4.66
5 Gedrosia 3.98
6 Southeast_Asian 1.02
7 Siberian 0.86
8 South_Asian 0.48

[Scandal]

Is K13 still relevant?

Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.66
2 North_Atlantic 25.62
3 East_Med 15.67
4 West_Med 13.45
5 West_Asian 6.47
6 Amerindian 1.62
7 East_Asian 1.05
8 South_Asian 0.66
9 Northeast_African 0.6
10 Red_Sea 0.2


Dodecad K12b

Population Percent
1 North_European 43.15
2 Atlantic_Med 26.14
3 Caucasus 19.7
4 Southwest_Asian 4.66
5 Gedrosia 3.98
6 Southeast_Asian 1.02
7 Siberian 0.86
8 South_Asian 0.48
Can you post all the 13 coordinates?

[Selene]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.66
2 North_Atlantic 25.62
3 East_Med 15.67
4 West_Med 13.45
5 West_Asian 6.47
6 Amerindian 1.62
7 East_Asian 1.05
8 South_Asian 0.66
9 Northeast_African 0.6
10 Red_Sea 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 6.16
2 Moldavian 6.18
3 Serbian 8.01
4 Hungarian 8.2
5 Romanian 10.98
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.43
7 South_Polish 11.69
8 Ukrainian 11.99
9 Bulgarian 12.55
10 Austrian 12.92
11 East_German 13.27
12 Southwest_Russian 14.75
13 Polish 14.98
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.26
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.78
16 Estonian_Polish 16.98
17 Belorussian 17.45
18 Kargopol_Russian 19.34
19 West_German 19.76
20 Southwest_Finnish 20.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.8% Ukrainian + 28.2% Ashkenazi @ 3.2
2 76.1% Ukrainian + 23.9% Italian_Jewish @ 3.25
3 66.8% Polish + 33.2% Ashkenazi @ 3.37
4 54.8% Belorussian + 45.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.43
5 58.6% Bulgarian + 41.4% Belorussian @ 3.45
6 72.5% South_Polish + 27.5% Ashkenazi @ 3.46
7 58% Bulgarian + 42% Estonian_Polish @ 3.64
8 65.3% Belorussian + 34.7% South_Italian @ 3.65
9 71.6% Polish + 28.4% Italian_Jewish @ 3.69
10 62.8% Lithuanian + 37.2% Italian_Jewish @ 3.71
11 55.5% Estonian_Polish + 44.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.72
12 68.9% Estonian_Polish + 31.1% Italian_Jewish @ 3.74
13 56.7% Lithuanian + 43.3% West_Sicilian @ 3.74
14 76.4% Ukrainian + 23.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.75
15 51.2% Greek_Thessaly + 48.8% Lithuanian @ 3.76
16 64.5% Bulgarian + 35.5% Lithuanian @ 3.79
17 62.5% Belorussian + 37.5% West_Sicilian @ 3.8
18 63.2% Estonian_Polish + 36.8% West_Sicilian @ 3.81
19 76.5% Ukrainian + 23.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.81
20 77.9% Ukrainian + 22.1% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.81

[Scandal]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.66
2 North_Atlantic 25.62
3 East_Med 15.67
4 West_Med 13.45
5 West_Asian 6.47
6 Amerindian 1.62
7 East_Asian 1.05
8 South_Asian 0.66
9 Northeast_African 0.6
10 Red_Sea 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 6.16
2 Moldavian 6.18
3 Serbian 8.01
4 Hungarian 8.2
5 Romanian 10.98
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.43
7 South_Polish 11.69
8 Ukrainian 11.99
9 Bulgarian 12.55
10 Austrian 12.92
11 East_German 13.27
12 Southwest_Russian 14.75
13 Polish 14.98
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.26
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.78
16 Estonian_Polish 16.98
17 Belorussian 17.45
18 Kargopol_Russian 19.34
19 West_German 19.76
20 Southwest_Finnish 20.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.8% Ukrainian + 28.2% Ashkenazi @ 3.2
2 76.1% Ukrainian + 23.9% Italian_Jewish @ 3.25
3 66.8% Polish + 33.2% Ashkenazi @ 3.37
4 54.8% Belorussian + 45.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.43
5 58.6% Bulgarian + 41.4% Belorussian @ 3.45
6 72.5% South_Polish + 27.5% Ashkenazi @ 3.46
7 58% Bulgarian + 42% Estonian_Polish @ 3.64
8 65.3% Belorussian + 34.7% South_Italian @ 3.65
9 71.6% Polish + 28.4% Italian_Jewish @ 3.69
10 62.8% Lithuanian + 37.2% Italian_Jewish @ 3.71
11 55.5% Estonian_Polish + 44.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.72
12 68.9% Estonian_Polish + 31.1% Italian_Jewish @ 3.74
13 56.7% Lithuanian + 43.3% West_Sicilian @ 3.74
14 76.4% Ukrainian + 23.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.75
15 51.2% Greek_Thessaly + 48.8% Lithuanian @ 3.76
16 64.5% Bulgarian + 35.5% Lithuanian @ 3.79
17 62.5% Belorussian + 37.5% West_Sicilian @ 3.8
18 63.2% Estonian_Polish + 36.8% West_Sicilian @ 3.81
19 76.5% Ukrainian + 23.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.81
20 77.9% Ukrainian + 22.1% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.81
Nooo, I mean this way, without the oracle. I'd like your coordinates including the ones that are zero.
This is mine.

Population
North_Atlantic 28.69 Pct
Baltic 39.52 Pct
West_Med 11.43 Pct
West_Asian 3.62 Pct
East_Med 13.02 Pct
Red_Sea 2.3 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.48 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.23 Pct
Northeast_African 0.72 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

[Selene]

Oh, ofc, shame on me :D

Population
North_Atlantic 25.62 Pct
Baltic 34.66 Pct
West_Med 13.45 Pct
West_Asian 6.47 Pct
East_Med 15.67 Pct
Red_Sea 0.2 Pct
South_Asian 0.66 Pct
East_Asian 1.05 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.62 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.6 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

[Marsa]

Zadar viking! lel Wow, 25% Scandinavia. I remember this vid, but he never posted gedmatch. It seems not to be accurate? Does he have some distant foreign ancestry ?
No, not at all :-) MH has a bug for a long time, they can't distinguish between Baltic/Scandinavia ethnicities; this time they just merged them. He does have prominent "north atlantic" as many other Dalmatians, but that's app. 15% of W.European, not 25%. See his friends.

[Selene]

MH has a lot of bugs, I don't think I'm Italian...
https://i.postimg.cc/5HWmZpZL/Screenshot-20220327-163609-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/5HWmZpZL)

[Russki]

Distance to: Sylvanas (Croat)

4.80589222 Bosniak
4.82599213 Croat_Southern
5.40076846 Croat
5.43600957 Moldovan_North
5.64316401 Romanian_North
6.15131693 Moldovan_Central
7.23452832 Ukrainian_Carpathians
7.39489013 Serb
7.42722021 Croat_Northern
7.53169304 Lemko_Poland
7.58119384 Hungarian_North
7.77492765 Hungarian
8.15025766 Hungarian_Transylvania
8.47084411 Csángó-Ceangău
8.89996067 Austrian_Carinthia
8.94655241 Moldovan_South
9.31453703 Slovene
9.78206522 Slovak
10.15033497 Romanian_Centre
10.28419175 Ukrainian_Galicia
10.53231219 Romanian
10.60292884 Czech
10.86349391 Montenegrin
11.92242844 Austrian_Styria
12.15265403 Ukrainian_South


Are your ancestors from Bosnia?

[Selene]

No...they are not, not even close. Can't explain results.

[Marsa]

MH has a lot of bugs, I don't think I'm Italian...
https://i.postimg.cc/5HWmZpZL/Screenshot-20220327-163609-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/5HWmZpZL)
Of course you arent, it's just another proxy for "Balkan". East Eu+Italy and there you have it.

Where are you from? And would you post your Dodecad K12b? Pozz

[Selene]

Population
Gedrosia 3.98 Pct
Siberian 0.86 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.02 Pct
Atlantic_Med 26.14 Pct
North_European 43.15 Pct
South_Asian 0.48 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.66 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 19.7 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Selene]

Population
Gedrosia 3.98 Pct
Siberian 0.86 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.02 Pct
Atlantic_Med 26.14 Pct
North_European 43.15 Pct
South_Asian 0.48 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.66 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 19.7 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Jana]

Hi and welcome! Where are you from? Are you mixed Croatian? If yes, with what? Pozdrav

@Marsa thanks again for awesome additions, you Rock! :o :thumbsup:

[Russki]

Population
Gedrosia 3.98 Pct
Siberian 0.86 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.02 Pct
Atlantic_Med 26.14 Pct
North_European 43.15 Pct
South_Asian 0.48 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.66 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 19.7 Pct
Sub_Saharan -



Distance to: Sylvanas (Croat)

1.43680200 Bosnian
1.77656973 Croat_South
2.17409751 Moldovan_North
2.84648907 Romanian_North_Moldavia
3.56280788 Croat
3.97298377 Moldovan_Central
4.81248377 Serb
5.20928018 Romanian_Maramureș
5.23969465 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
5.58665374 Romanian_Crișana
5.71071799 Hungarian
5.76117176 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.80630692 Slovenian
6.37448821 Hungarian_Alföld
6.57308147 Hungarian_North
6.76704515 Ukrainian_Southwest
7.01615992 Romanian_South_Moldavia
7.64848351 Romanian_Transylvania
7.83049168 Moldovan_South
8.61213098 Montenegrin
8.69323875 Romanian_Banat
10.01217759 Slovak
10.33009196 Romanian_Oltenia
10.38272604 Czech
10.45669164 Romanian_Dobrogea

[Selene]

Croatia (Hvar and Senj), Czech, Hungary, Ukraine (Galicia) or Russia, Serbia and very very distant Finland.

[Marsa]

Are you mixed Croatian? If yes, with what?
With good red wine, figs and muhammara lol. That's my fellow Eastmed-er


@Marsa thanks again for awesome additions, you Rock! :o :thumbsup:
<33

[Jana]

you have average Croatian results. how significant is your non Croatian admix in percentage if you know?
than again maybe your Croat and Serb side is very southern/balkanic so when mixed with other ethnicities you end up normal Croat.

4.08982885 Croat_Slavonia
4.54320372 Croat_Bosnia
4.67079222 Croat_Herzegovina
4.72114393 Bosniak_Krajina_West
4.82257193 Romanian_Moldavia_North
4.86697031 Bosniak_Central
4.88746355 Bosniak_Southeast
5.14239244 Croat_Istria
5.22132167 Croat_Lika
5.43600957 Moldovan_North
5.49833611 Bosniak_Krajina_East
5.61091793 Croat_Kvarner
5.63041739 Romanian_Ukraine
5.76334972 Croat_Dalmatia
5.87905605 Serb_NorthEastBosnia
6.06006601 Serb_CentralCroatia
6.13122337 Serb_WestSerbia
6.15131693 Moldovan_Central
6.15290175 Bosniak_Northeast
6.61700839 Croat_Central
6.70660123 Serb_Lika
6.92577793 Hungarian_Alföld
6.96253546 Serb_BosanskaKrajina
7.06316501 Serb_CentralSerbia
7.23452832 Ukrainian_Carpathians

Distance: 2.7258% / 2.72578879 | R2P

80.6 Bosniak_Southeast
19.4 Polish_Podlaskie

[Jana]

double

[Marsa]

Double.

[Selene]

My grandma is pure Czech from my father's side, from mother side my grandgrandfather is Ukrainian/Russian, his wife was Serbian/Hungarian.

Maybe all Croatians are more mixed than they think :D

[Jana]

My grandma is pure Czech from my father's side, from mother side my grandgrandfather is Ukrainian/Russian, his wife was Serbian/Hungarian.

Maybe all Croatians are more mixed than they think :D

Yeah, sometimes these things don't work exactly like we expect. You can inherit more DNA from one grandparent than from other. Your sibling for example can have quite different results than you.
My mother is 1/4 German for eg, it's not visible in her gedmatch results, she's rather average Croat there as well (and more south shifted than me and my father who is Croat/Bosniak)
But than again her Croatian is from Dalmatian Islands and other than German she has Serb and Greek ancestry and when you mix that together, it comes Croatian-like.

I agree with you that quite a many people in Croatia have some other ancestry, especially in certain regions.

[Jana]

Double

[Selene]

But than again her Croatian is from Dalmatian Islands and other than German she has Serb and Greek ancestry and when you mix that together, it comes Croatian-like.

I agree with you that quite a many people in Croatia have some other ancestry, especially in certain regions.

My Croatian is also from islands, i guess that is the answer.

I agree, we don't inherit 25% from grandma, it's not that simple. And we don't know real ethnicity of our ancestors, we have only documents, not dna tests.

[Nausevar]

Number 7:
Distance to: numero7
4.43093670 Serb_KosovoMetohija
4.52255459 Serb_Herzegovina
5.03043736 Romanian_Crişana
5.19326487 Romanian_Moldavia_South
5.27650452 Serb_SouthSerbia
5.36550091 Moldovan_South
5.48623733 Romanian_Transylvania
5.54702623 Serb_CentralSerbia
5.55767038 Serb_Lika
5.62665976 Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina
5.63699388 Serb_EastSerbia
5.68886632 Serb_Vojvodina
5.71909958 Serb_Dalmatia
5.82643115 Serb_WestSerbia
5.84721301 Romanian_Banat
5.88238897 Serb_SouthwestSerbia
5.88419068 Bosniak_Southeast
6.02258250 Bulgarian_Northwestern
6.43216138 Romanian_Maramureş
6.45618308 Romanian_Oltenia
6.52202423 Romanian_Moldavia_Central
6.64918040 Bosniak_Krajina_West
6.67195623 Serb_CentralCroatia
6.68858729 Bosniak_Sandzak_West
6.75287346 Romanian_Dobruja


Number 8:
Distance to: numero8
2.40328941 Romanian_Moldavia_South
2.56407878 Romanian_Crişana
2.63036119 Romanian_Transylvania
2.73748059 Bosniak_Sandzak_West
3.06313565 Serb_Vojvodina
3.09949996 Romanian_Banat
3.15634282 Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina
3.22597272 Serb_Herzegovina
3.37139437 Serb_SouthSerbia
3.54419243 Serb_Dalmatia
3.57889648 Romanian_Maramureş
3.64879432 Serb_SouthwestSerbia
3.86988372 Romanian_Moldavia_Central
4.19114543 Serb_EastSerbia
4.20199952 Serb_KosovoMetohija
4.21828164 Romanian_Oltenia
4.32752816 Serb_Lika
4.57459288 Serb_CentralSerbia
4.69994681 Serb_BosanskaKrajina
4.78749413 Romanian_Dobruja
4.83107648 Vlach_Serbia
4.83724095 Romanian_Muntenia
4.89815271 Serb_WestSerbia
4.94144716 Bulgarian_Northwestern
5.06593525 Bulgarian_Southwestern

[Marsa]

Family from USA; mother is my match

1.)Lika (mother) - Budak, Donje Pazarište, Široka Kula

My Heritage
Balkan
85,0%
Scandinavian
12,5%
Iberia
2,5%

K13

North_Atlantic 24.33 Pct
Baltic 32.46 Pct
West_Med 19.46 Pct
West_Asian 6.77 Pct
East_Med 12.66 Pct
Red_Sea 1.92 Pct
South_Asian 0.75 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.17 Pct
Amerindian 0.21 Pct
Oceanian0.26 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 4.06 Pct
Siberian 0.63 Pct
Northwest_African 0.61 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 28.6 Pct
North_European 41.66 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.93 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 19.5 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

2.)Dalmatia ( father)- all ancestry from Omiš

K13

North_Atlantic 24.87 Pct
Baltic 30.69 Pct
West_Med 15.34 Pct
West_Asian 11.53 Pct
East_Med 13.04 Pct
Red_Sea 3.11 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.34 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.08 Pct

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 5.74 Pct
Siberian 0.72 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.07 Pct
Atlantic_Med 26.49 Pct
North_European 41.6 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.1 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 19.25 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

3.) Dalmatia +Lika (daughter)

My Heritage
Balkan
83.4%
Greek and South Italian
11.1%
Scandinavian
4.5%
Finnish
1.0

K13

North_Atlantic 22.79 Pct
Baltic 32.56 Pct
West_Med 19.03 Pct
West_Asian 8.37 Pct
East_Med 12.88 Pct
Red_Sea 1.97 Pct
South_Asian 1.42 Pct
East_Asian 0.66 Pct
Siberian 0.28 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 3.96 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.34 Pct
Atlantic_Med 27.78 Pct
North_European 40.89 Pct
South_Asian 0.3 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.93 Pct
East_Asian 0.17 Pct
Caucasus 20.59 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[vbnetkhio]

6.) Islands Silba/Pag + Ražanac/Slivnica

K13

North_Atlantic 29.62 Pct
Baltic 31.19 Pct
West_Med 15.8 Pct
West_Asian 8.48 Pct
East_Med 13.18 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.26 Pct
East_Asian 0.06 Pct
Siberian 1.08 Pct
Amerindian 0.06 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.26 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 4.52 Pct
Siberian 0.89 Pct
Northwest_African 1.7 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 27.43 Pct
North_European 43.08 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.32 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 19.05 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

7.)

K13

North_Atlantic 25.81 Pct
Baltic 27.67 Pct
West_Med 14.63 Pct
West_Asian 7.38 Pct
East_Med 20.23 Pct
Red_Sea 1.32 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.52 Pct
Siberian 0.9 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.75 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.81 Pct

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 3.86 Pct
Siberian 0.2 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.61 Pct
Atlantic_Med 27.31 Pct
North_European 38.31 Pct
South_Asian 0.09 Pct
East_African 0.2 Pct
Southwest_Asian 5.94 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 23.48 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

8.)

K13

North_Atlantic 25.33 Pct
Baltic 26.15 Pct
West_Med 15.91 Pct
West_Asian 9.93 Pct
East_Med 15.98 Pct
Red_Sea 3.13 Pct
South_Asian 0.62 Pct
East_Asian 0.27 Pct
Siberian 0.66 Pct
Amerindian 1.12 Pct
Oceanian 0.78 Pct
Northeast_African 0.14 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 8.18 Pct
Siberian 1.16 Pct
Northwest_African 0.64 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 27.26 Pct
North_European 36.29 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.96 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 19.47 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

^^ Feiichy and Moro,
these are all their matches, and some of the kits are older, but only now I have managed to determine full ancestry. I will edit if they have already been posted

considering the history of this area, do you think these have some kind of Italian influence, or is it from the local pre-Slavic population?

[Nausevar]

considering the history of this area, do you think these have some kind of Italian influence, or is it from the local pre-Slavic population?
They don't seem that much Italian influenced. West_Med and North_Atlantic within the average for South Slavs.

[Jana]

Number 7:
Distance to: numero7
4.43093670 Serb_KosovoMetohija
4.52255459 Serb_Herzegovina
5.03043736 Romanian_Crişana
5.19326487 Romanian_Moldavia_South
5.27650452 Serb_SouthSerbia
5.36550091 Moldovan_South
5.48623733 Romanian_Transylvania
5.54702623 Serb_CentralSerbia
5.55767038 Serb_Lika
5.62665976 Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina
5.63699388 Serb_EastSerbia
5.68886632 Serb_Vojvodina
5.71909958 Serb_Dalmatia
5.82643115 Serb_WestSerbia
5.84721301 Romanian_Banat
5.88238897 Serb_SouthwestSerbia
5.88419068 Bosniak_Southeast
6.02258250 Bulgarian_Northwestern
6.43216138 Romanian_Maramureş
6.45618308 Romanian_Oltenia
6.52202423 Romanian_Moldavia_Central
6.64918040 Bosniak_Krajina_West
6.67195623 Serb_CentralCroatia
6.68858729 Bosniak_Sandzak_West
6.75287346 Romanian_Dobruja


Number 8:
Distance to: numero8
2.40328941 Romanian_Moldavia_South
2.56407878 Romanian_Crişana
2.63036119 Romanian_Transylvania
2.73748059 Bosniak_Sandzak_West
3.06313565 Serb_Vojvodina
3.09949996 Romanian_Banat
3.15634282 Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina
3.22597272 Serb_Herzegovina
3.37139437 Serb_SouthSerbia
3.54419243 Serb_Dalmatia
3.57889648 Romanian_Maramureş
3.64879432 Serb_SouthwestSerbia
3.86988372 Romanian_Moldavia_Central
4.19114543 Serb_EastSerbia
4.20199952 Serb_KosovoMetohija
4.21828164 Romanian_Oltenia
4.32752816 Serb_Lika
4.57459288 Serb_CentralSerbia
4.69994681 Serb_BosanskaKrajina
4.78749413 Romanian_Dobruja
4.83107648 Vlach_Serbia
4.83724095 Romanian_Muntenia
4.89815271 Serb_WestSerbia
4.94144716 Bulgarian_Northwestern
5.06593525 Bulgarian_Southwestern

Do you have his/her K13 values? Which region are samples from?

[Jana]

Results of a mother of this friend. She is from Moslavina in central Croatia, some farther back Lika ancestry.
She's fully Croatian as far as they know, but considering her results and that in her village some Czechs were present (same village where Mirjana Petir is from), maybe she has some Czech admixture, who knows.

North_Atlantic 31.54 Pct
Baltic 36.52 Pct
West_Med 14.96 Pct
West_Asian 6.4 Pct
East_Med 7.69 Pct
Red_Sea 0.06 Pct
South_Asian 2.29 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.55 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

2.90336012 Slovak
3.30428510 Slovene
3.44413995 Croat_Northwest
3.91180265 Hungarian_North
4.13631478 German_Lower_Silesia
4.39092245 Czech
4.86242738 Austrian_Carinthia
4.92106696 Lemko_Poland
5.14667854 Croat_Central
5.21425930 Croat_GorskiKotar
5.27668457 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.74188993 Hungarian_Alföld
6.02834140 Ukrainian_Galicia
6.13551954 Austrian_Styria
6.40516198 Ukrainian_Carpathians
7.18132996 Polish_South
7.34739410 Sorb_Saxony_Kamenz
7.61032194 German_County_Glatz
7.65254206 German_West_Prussia
7.66880043 Croat_Kvarner
7.86923757 Polish_Silesia
7.94236111 Bosniak_Northeast
8.01597779 Bosniak_Central
8.26471415 Croat_Lika
8.30218044 Polish_Subcarpathia

Distance: 1.6171% / 1.61705258 | R2P

75.6 Polish_Silesia
24.4 Italian_Aosta_Valley


Result of a friend. 50% southern, 50% central Croatia.

North_Atlantic 25.62 Pct
Baltic 34.66 Pct
West_Med 18.21 Pct
West_Asian 7.14 Pct
East_Med 13.47 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.58 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.23 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

3.16107577 Croat_Slavonia
3.75030665 Croat_Herzegovina
4.08715060 Croat_Bosnia
4.23104006 Croat_Lika
4.55983552 Bosniak
4.58140808 Croat_Istria
4.58513904 Croat_Dalmatia
4.60431320 Serb_Republika_Srpska
4.65875520 Croat
4.68748333 Bosniak_Krajina_East
4.81155900 Bosniak_Central_Northeast
5.56329938 Moldovan_North
5.70108762 Bosniak_Southeast
5.71571518 Serb_Croatia
5.79466134 Croat_Kvarner
5.82057557 Romanian_North-Moldavia
5.89142597 Croat_Central
5.92135964 Bosniak_Krajina_West
6.11924832 Serb_West
6.14538851 Moldovan
6.21786137 Moldovan_Central
6.32857014 Serb
6.41190299 Hungarian_Alföld
6.42749562 Lemko_Poland
6.55492944 Serb_Central

Distance: 2.8712% / 2.87120712 | R2P

90.5 Croat_Slavonia
9.5 German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow)

Distance: 2.9018% / 2.90184101 | R2P

75.8 Lemko_Poland
24.2 Greek_Northern_Thrace

[vbnetkhio]

Do you have his/her K13 values? Which region are samples from?

those are the "Silba/Pag + Ražanac/Slivnica" samples posted by Marsa.

[Jana]

those are the "Silba/Pag + Ražanac/Slivnica" samples posted by Marsa.

ahhh thanks!

I think we can make update to regional averages soon as well, quite many new samples fully from one region.

[Marsa]

considering the history of this area, do you think these have some kind of Italian influence, or is it from the local pre-Slavic population?

They are very similar to some Istrians, so as you said, knowing the history of the region, some minor contribution wouldn't be suprise; It's actually expected. The problem is that they don't have any Italian matches ( except No.5), which appears to be older. Unfortunately, I couldn't see their ethnicities/groups from the testing companies.

Family of that Ugljan Island outlier with "Baltic 22" ( don't know have you seen him?), have uploaded his results on MH as well, and he scored no foreign groups. Even before that, I wasn't able to find any Italians among his matches on Gedmatch.
Few of his surnames are very local and coastal, so I formed an opinion that the Roman population had left some traces in that area, but I'm not sure should I call it "preslavic" or is that something very old, from let's say 11th-12th century.

First guys that were posted are fully familiar with their ancestries; they aren't so southern - but they do have somewhat higher "north atlantic", and also no foreign groups. First guy is almost 100% Balkan on 23andMe with some Eastern Europe, which makes me think that Celtic substrate in Dalmatia can really be local as well.

What do you think? And what about Montenegro? I've seen only a few results and this average on vahaduo; do they score sometimes higher n.a?

[Jana]

Unfortunately I still don't have gedmatch result of my fully Dalmatian Islander aunt (grandpa sister). Still waiting, it's been months :/

[Jana]

And what about Montenegro? I've seen only a few results and this average on vahaduo; do they score sometimes higher n.a?

Based on what I have seen, they do. North Macedonians also score higher North Atlantic than Baltic often. It must be something very old in the region.
Illyrians were very high in NA and Celtic related, later Roman input reduced that but probably high NA in Balkan region comes from there rather than some recent source.

[vbnetkhio]

They are very similar to some Istrians, so as you said, knowing the history of the region, some minor contribution wouldn't be suprise; It's actually expected. The problem is that they don't have any Italian matches ( except No.5), which appears to be older. Unfortunately, I couldn't see their ethnicities/groups from the testing companies.

Family of that Ugljan Island outlier with "Baltic 22" ( don't know have you seen him?), have uploaded his results on MH as well, and he scored no foreign groups. Even before that, I wasn't able to find any Italians among his matches on Gedmatch.
Few of his surnames are very local and coastal, so I formed an opinion that the Roman population had left some traces in that area, but I'm not sure should I call it "preslavic" or is that something very old, from let's say 11th-12th century.

First guys that were posted are fully familiar with their ancestries; they aren't so southern - but they do have somewhat higher "north atlantic", and also no foreign groups. First guy is almost 100% Balkan on 23andMe with some Eastern Europe, which makes me think that Celtic substrate in Dalmatia can really be local as well.

What do you think? And what about Montenegro? I've seen only a few results and this average on vahaduo; do they score sometimes higher n.a?

the higher NA and low Baltic type results, similar to these Croats, peak in the wider Herzegovina and Stari Vlah (SW Serbia) regions.

the Montenegrin core areas (old Montenegro, Brda, Zeta) have both low NA and low Baltic.

roughly the yellow vs red areas on this map.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Dijalekti-%C5%A0tokavskog-nare%C4%8Dja.svg



Montenegro_Old_Herzegovina,25.98,27.45,17.63,8.87, 15.99,1.31,0.38,0.43,0.48,1.15,0.23,0.00,0.13
Montenegro_SouthEast,22.70,25.98,19.53,9.82,17.96, 1.80,0.57,0.26,0.63,0.34,0.32,0.06,0.03

^these are the averages, the individual results can be more extreme like this one:

North_Atlantic 30.64 Pct
Baltic 22.99 Pct
West_Med 18.8 Pct
West_Asian 9.82 Pct
East_Med 15.37 Pct
Red_Sea 0.26 Pct
South_Asian 0.05 Pct
East_Asian 1.83 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.24 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

at least some of her ancestry is from Drobnjak in Old Herzegovina, probably all.

[Jana]

^^^^ could some of that be Gothic instead of old Balkan which would be logical guess, considering high I1 percentage in the region?

[vbnetkhio]

^^^^ could some of that be Gothic instead of old Balkan which would be logical guess, considering high I1 percentage in the region?

I don't think so, this I1 comes from a late medieval founder effect, and the high NA also affects other parts of this region where other haplos like N-p189.2 and i2-din dominate.

It can be explained by lower Slavic, higher Balkan IA (mostly from Thracians realistically) , and less Middle eastern Roman settlement compared to other areas

[Nausevar]

Do you have his/her K13 values? Which region are samples from?
Marsa posted the K13 of those samples, I just put the data on vahaduo to see the distances with the small regions. Don't know where they are from, she either doesn't know or they are from the same place number 6 is from.
PS: I don't get the notifications for quotes, why?

[vbnetkhio]

^^^^ could some of that be Gothic instead of old Balkan which would be logical guess, considering high I1 percentage in the region?

there is actually a way to test this.

in k13, both increased steppe and Celto-Germanic go into higher NA.
G25 can tell these 2 apart (it works much better for averages than for individuals though)

Target: Scythian_MDA
Distance: 0.0129% / 0.01291180
41.3 TUR_Barcin_N
23.6 Irish
14.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.5 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
6.1 Baltic_EST_BA
4.5 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.8 Nganassan
1.4 Han
0.8 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Target: HRV_EIA
Distance: 0.0087% / 0.00870947
42.3 Irish
31.4 TUR_Barcin_N
9.0 Scotland_N
7.1 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.1 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
4.0 Baltic_EST_BA
1.1 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

Target: Montenegrin
Distance: 0.0110% / 0.01097512
34.2 TUR_Barcin_N
30.9 Baltic_EST_BA
16.2 Irish
10.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.5 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.1 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.7 Han

HRV_EIA - almost 6:1 Irish:Yamnaya ratio
MDA_Scythians - 3:2 Irish:Yamnaya
and Montenegrin - also 3:2 Irish:Yamnaya

so the Celto-Germanic type of admixture in this area actually decreased since the IA, and Montenegrins are pretty much Thracian+ Slavic+ MENA Roman.

[Marsa]

Unfortunately I still don't have gedmatch result of my fully Dalmatian Islander aunt (grandpa sister). Still waiting, it's been months :/

From Hvar or Šibenik islands? I really would like to see these. My parents results also haven't arrived yet. 3 months :/


Marsa posted the K13 of those samples, I just put the data on vahaduo to see the distances with the small regions. Don't know where they are from, she either doesn't know or they are from the same place number 6 is from.

They are all from Zadar county.

[Marsa]

the higher NA and low Baltic type results, similar to these Croats, peak in the wider Herzegovina and Stari Vlah (SW Serbia) regions.

the Montenegrin core areas (old Montenegro, Brda, Zeta) have both low NA and low Baltic

Ok, that's interesting.



the Celto-Germanic type of admixture in this area actually decreased since the IA, and Montenegrins are pretty much Thracian+ Slavic+ MENA Roman.

Your next life mission should be to convince Montenegrins that they are Thracians in fact :cool:

[CommonSense]

Anatolians and Thracians were the iron fist of the Roman Empire :D

[Jana]

PS: I don't get the notifications for quotes, why?

Sometimes it doesn't work, I noticed it too. Or maybe you removed that function (check your settings)


From Hvar or Šibenik islands? I really would like to see these. My parents results also haven't arrived yet. 3 months :/

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From Zlarin Island near Šibenik :) I might get her son too who is also fully Islander, Zlarin + Ugljan (both are tested on Ancestry)
Hope you get your parents results soon :) but indeed it's strange they didn't arrive for so long. You can always check with their customer service for their status I reckon.

And don't forget to post them here! :p

[Catnip]

Montenegrins are pretty much Thracian+ Slavic+ MENA Roman.
Really? :( but how? Is it because of haplogroups? What happened with Illyrians than, and why are than ppl from East Adria so phenotypically different from Bulgaria and with différent ethno custums? At least I had that impression when traveled. It would be sad that they are all gone. Women must have remained.

@Marsa, You are Illyrian woman. Your Mtdna cant be Slavic

[Marsa]

@Marsa, You are Illyrian woman. Your Mtdna cant be Slavic

Illyrian was HVO-e iirc, not HVO-a ;-) That's very difficult to track, so...

[Catnip]

Illyrian was HVO-e iirc, not HVO-a ;-) That's very difficult to track, so...
I know it is, but im giving slight advantage to the native women. Im no expert, but both Hvo-e and Hvo-a seem to be med haplos, and peaking among modern Basques, South French, North Italians.. to me that's very Celtic/Illyrian.
Do u have some infos about yours, or do u know some archaeogenetic samples?

[Marsa]

I know it is, but im giving slight advantage to the native women. Im no expert, but both Hvo-e and Hvo-a seem to be med haplos, and peaking among modern Basques, South French, North Italians.. to me that's very Celtic/Illyrian.
Do u have some infos about yours, or do u know some archaeogenetic samples?

You are maybe right, really don't know.
I made just a small research; this is from 23andMe :

Your maternal line stems from haplogroup HV0, a branch of R that traces back to a woman who lived nearly 14,000 years ago in southern Europe or the Middle East.
HV0a, traces back to a woman who lived approximately 11,000 years ago.
...
Women bearing HV0 took advantage of the slight opening of the continent and participated in migrations that recolonized Europe, moving from the south near the Mediterranean to the north along the Atlantic ocean and through the continental interior.
...
Today, HV0 is most commonly found in Northwestern Europe and Northern Italy, and peaks at 10% of all haplogroups in the isolated population of the Spanish Basques. It is also found at very low levels across and Central Europe.

Samples I found from archaeo studies :

Cardial Neolithic Cueva de Chaves NE Catalonia CHA001_MT 5308–5057 BCE HV0+195,

Ballynahatty MN/LN HV0+195
Scotland Neolithic Raschoille Cave Oban c. 3600 BCE I3137 HVO+195,

Iberia Chalcolithic SE Sima del Ángel Córdoba Andalusia I8157 2900–2500 BCE HV0+195

BB Britain South Sixpenny Handley Dorset I5379 HV0+195

Iberia Bronze Age NE Can Roqueta II Barcelona Catalonia I1312_d 2000–1400 BCE HV0+195

Iberia Bronze Age SE Cabezo Redondo Alicante Valencia I3488 1700–1500 BCE HV0+195

Nuragic BA S10552.E1.L1 Perdasdefogu Sardinia 1384-1213 calBCE HV0+195

Iberia Iron Age/ Iberian culture Hort d'en Grimau Barcelona Catalonia I12879 728–397 cal BCE HV0+195

Greek Iberia Iron Age NE / Empúries1 Girona Catalonia I8211 500–450 HV0+195

Roman Iberia outlier/ Empúries2 Girona Catalonia I8338 100–200 CE HV0+195

Late Roman Iberia SE Plaza Einstein Granada Andalusia I3982 200-400 Cal CE HV0+195

Longobard Hungary Szólád Balaton SZ38 590 AD HV0+195

Medieval Muslim Iberia SE Palau Castell de Betxí Castellón Valencia I12514 1020–1155 cal CE HV0+195

That's it. I haven't formed an opinion yet. :-) Maybe I should go with FtDNA.

[Catnip]

You are maybe right, really don't know.
I made just a small research; this is from 23andMe :

Your maternal line stems from haplogroup HV0, a branch of R that traces back to a woman who lived nearly 14,000 years ago in southern Europe or the Middle East.
HV0a, traces back to a woman who lived approximately 11,000 years ago.
...
Women bearing HV0 took advantage of the slight opening of the continent and participated in migrations that recolonized Europe, moving from the south near the Mediterranean to the north along the Atlantic ocean and through the continental interior.
...
Today, HV0 is most commonly found in Northwestern Europe and Northern Italy, and peaks at 10% of all haplogroups in the isolated population of the Spanish Basques. It is also found at very low levels across and Central Europe.

Samples I found from archaeo studies :

Cardial Neolithic Cueva de Chaves NE Catalonia CHA001_MT 5308–5057 BCE HV0+195,

Ballynahatty MN/LN HV0+195
Scotland Neolithic Raschoille Cave Oban c. 3600 BCE I3137 HVO+195,

Iberia Chalcolithic SE Sima del Ángel Córdoba Andalusia I8157 2900–2500 BCE HV0+195

BB Britain South Sixpenny Handley Dorset I5379 HV0+195

Iberia Bronze Age NE Can Roqueta II Barcelona Catalonia I1312_d 2000–1400 BCE HV0+195

Iberia Bronze Age SE Cabezo Redondo Alicante Valencia I3488 1700–1500 BCE HV0+195

Nuragic BA S10552.E1.L1 Perdasdefogu Sardinia 1384-1213 calBCE HV0+195

Iberia Iron Age/ Iberian culture Hort d'en Grimau Barcelona Catalonia I12879 728–397 cal BCE HV0+195

Greek Iberia Iron Age NE / Empúries1 Girona Catalonia I8211 500–450 HV0+195

Roman Iberia outlier/ Empúries2 Girona Catalonia I8338 100–200 CE HV0+195

Late Roman Iberia SE Plaza Einstein Granada Andalusia I3982 200-400 Cal CE HV0+195

Longobard Hungary Szólád Balaton SZ38 590 AD HV0+195

Medieval Muslim Iberia SE Palau Castell de Betxí Castellón Valencia I12514 1020–1155 cal CE HV0+195

That's it. I haven't formed an opinion yet. :-) Maybe I should go with FtDNA.

Wow, Im not so bad for a beginner lol. You should try it def. You are Illyrian woman, im sticking to my opinion, females never left and autosomal is from them as well.
I dont understand this opssesion wit paternal haplos, wit all bunch of founder effects

[Jana]

Wow, Im not so bad for a beginner lol. You should try it def. You are Illyrian woman, im sticking to my opinion, females never left and autosomal is from them as well.
I dont understand this opssesion wit paternal haplos, wit all bunch of founder effects

apparently there is not much remaining from Illyrians and Slavs came with entire families. Just like there is male mediated autosomal Balkan input.
Thracians and Romans are better fit for most of Croats for pre-Slavic part, excluding NW ones who have south German like input.

that's visible in ydna as well. There is more E-V13 than J-L283 in Croatia, and Illyrians had none of that based on data we have so far.

[Jana]

From all Croatian members I score highest Illyrian like input, and very little Roman. But since I am not fully Croatian I wonder how legit is that.

[Jana]

I don't think so, this I1 comes from a late medieval founder effect, and the high NA also affects other parts of this region where other haplos like N-p189.2 and i2-din dominate.

It can be explained by lower Slavic, higher Balkan IA (mostly from Thracians realistically) , and less Middle eastern Roman settlement compared to other areas

However, only Thracian sample we have so far does not score high North Atlantic.


Bulgaria_IA,24.62,3.48,30.00,9.21,28.33,4.36,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00

So that can't explain Montenegrins with 30 NA with that. Unless you believe Moesians from Serbia will be bit more NA?
How much north Atlantic you think proto Slavs had approximately?

[vbnetkhio]

Really? :( but how? Is it because of haplogroups? What happened with Illyrians than, and why are than ppl from East Adria so phenotypically different from Bulgaria and with différent ethno custums? At least I had that impression when traveled. It would be sad that they are all gone. Women must have remained.

@Marsa, You are Illyrian woman. Your Mtdna cant be Slavic

yes, not only haplogroups, but autosomal too.

A dozen of Illyrians from different parts of Croatia were tested, they were 90% j2b2 and some r1b.

mostly this subclade:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z38240/

j2b2 is around 1% in modern Serbs, I think it's similar for Croats too, and even some of those are not this Illyrian subclade, but have recent Albanian origin from the south.

I believe most of the tribes were exterminated or relocated by Romans to other parts of the empire, and Thracians were brought into their place. You can see that subclade has members all over Europe and the Middle East.

for example this tribe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azali_(tribe)

Bulgarians have less Slavic and more Anatolian compared to western Balkanians, that explains the different phenotypes.

btw did you mean "customs" or "costumes" (dresses)? The Montenegrin costume was strongly influenced by Italian and Greek merchants in the 1800s.

before that it was something simpler and Albanian influenced like this, and the Ottoman "Fez" hat was also popular.
https://forum.krstarica.com/attachments/vasojevicka_nosnja_polimskimuzej-png.685467/

Bulgarian costumes are more authentically Slavic, and I suppose, Ottoman influenced.

[Catnip]

@ Stearsolina, @ Vbnetkhio
thnx, I already knew that Ev13 supposed to be Thracian Hp, and that Illyrians were J, but Romans called everyone 'Illyrians' in the west, so maybe even Celtic subclades on the Balkans can be releated wit them? It's interesting to see that this particular J haplo Vbnetkhio posted exist in France, Iberia, and North Italy again.

I dont see why would they exterminate females?
I was thinking on 'custums' such as pirating, way of singing, tribes in Montenegro /Albania. Bulgarians dont have that. Maybe it's thé females which préservéd that, like Basques women dìd. It's just tragical if they just dissapeared :/

[vbnetkhio]

However, only Thracian sample we have so far does not score high North Atlantic.


Bulgaria_IA,24.62,3.48,30.00,9.21,28.33,4.36,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00

So that can't explain Montenegrins with 30 NA with that. Unless you believe Moesians from Serbia will be bit more NA?
How much north Atlantic you think proto Slavs had approximately?

yes, this sample overlaps with the most southern samples from Viminacium. Also with the most southern Thracian-related samples from Hungary.

pre-Slavic western Balkans were probably like the "medditeranean cluster" from Szolad:
Hungary_Langobard_o1,26.63,10.23,23.79,9.86,24.59, 3.01,0.38,0.23,0.22,0.25,0.35,0.24,0.22

This cluster includes 7 samples, 5 look like Daco-Thracians (overlap with BGR_IA, MDA Scythians, etc), one Illyrian (similar to HRV_IA), and one middle-eastern admixed.

proto-Slavs were probably also 26-27.

[Roy]

@ Stearsolina, @ Vbnetkhio
thnx, I already knew that Ev13 supposed to be Thracian Hp, and that Illyrians were J, but Romans called everyone 'Illyrians' in the west, so maybe even Celtic subclades on the Balkans can be releated wit them? It's interesting to see that this particular J haplo Vbnetkhio posted exist in France, Iberia, and North Italy again.

I dont see why would they exterminate females?
I was thinking on 'custums' such as pirating, way of singing, tribes in Montenegro /Albania. Bulgarians dont have that. Maybe it's thé females which préservéd that, like Basques women dìd. It's just tragical if they just dissapeared :/

What kind of singing do you allude to? You made me intrigued.

[Jana]

AncestryDNA finally got their update right, looks 100% legit.

mine
https://i.imgur.com/hZkb567.png


friend from Rijeka
https://i.imgur.com/voK45KK.png


friend from Zagreb
https://i.imgur.com/Yo8z6e9.png

[vbnetkhio]

@ Stearsolina, @ Vbnetkhio
thnx, I already knew that Ev13 supposed to be Thracian Hp, and that Illyrians were J, but Romans called everyone 'Illyrians' in the west, so maybe even Celtic subclades on the Balkans can be releated wit them? It's interesting to see that this particular J haplo Vbnetkhio posted exist in France, Iberia, and North Italy again.


I think these studies confirm that Illyrians were a real thing, and not just a Roman label. A big part of the Western Balkans was genetically related. The samples stretch from Slovenia almost to Montenegro, and almost all of them are j2b2.



I dont see why would they exterminate females?
I was thinking on 'custums' such as pirating, way of singing, tribes in Montenegro /Albania. Bulgarians dont have that. Maybe it's thé females which préservéd that, like Basques women dìd. It's just tragical if they just dissapeared :/

the Early Slavs which invaded Greece were described as "howling like wolves", which can be applied to some "primitive" singing styles found both in Montenegro and Bulgaria. The same descriptions were given to the Vikings a few centuries later. It looks like a northern European thing originally, which eventually died out there. I'm not aware that such a description was ever given to pre-Slavic Balkanians.

All of the The Montenegrin and Albanian tribes (sometimes translated as "clans") were formed in 1200s-1400s by powerful vlach clans occupying mountain valleys for themselves, and pushing others out.
The Illyrian "tribes" were a different thing, they were basically small ethnic groups, and not clans.

The Illyrian piracy lasted until they were subjugated by the Romans. The early Slavs developed it after a few centuries of living in the Balkans. Maybe that's a logical custom do develop for a warlike tribe living close to the sea.

[vbnetkhio]

What kind of singing do you allude to? You made me intrigued.

Montenegrin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga278rzbh5o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-_KTvjdfBI

Bulgarian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QAIW8JXRys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha6oSoyH1OE

[Catnip]

I think these studies confirm that Illyrians were a real thing, and not just a Roman label. A big part of the Western Balkans was genetically related. The samples stretch from Slovenia almost to Montenegro, and almost all of them are j2b2.



the Early Slavs which invaded Greece were described as "howling like wolves", which can be applied to some "primitive" singing styles found both in Montenegro and Bulgaria. The same descriptions were given to the Vikings a few centuries later. It looks like a northern European thing originally, which eventually died out there. I'm not aware that such a description was ever given to pre-Slavic Balkanians.

All of the The Montenegrin and Albanian tribes (sometimes translated as "clans") were formed in 1200s-1400s by powerful vlach clans occupying mountain valleys for themselves, and pushing others out.
The Illyrian "tribes" were a different thing, they were basically small ethnic groups, and not clans.

The Illyrian piracy lasted until they were subjugated by the Romans. The early Slavs developed it after a few centuries of living in the Balkans. Maybe that's a logical custom do develop for a warlike tribe living close to the sea.

I see, thnx for explanation. But what gave them that Sw mediterranen shift if they were only J-men? Women again? :D
I always thought they were neolithic + something Celtic like.
If they were like N. Itàlians and Sw French, something is missing.

@Roy, some art of poliphonic singing, i dont know how to fìnd it. It's similar to Vbn post

[Marsa]

You are Illyrian woman, im sticking to my opinion, females never left and autosomal is from them as well.

On Ftdna I've also seen mostly N.Italians and French/ French Basques. Croat from NW Croatia has the same Mtdna, my earliest known female ancestor is also from Pannonia, so theoretically it could be Celtic/ pre-Slavic; but I dont believe this can ever be known with certainty. It's probably a med haplogrup


I dont understand this opssesion wit paternal haplos, wit all bunch of founder effects

of course women are equally participating in autosomal genetics, no one denies that; it's just very difficult to trace that


some art of poliphonic singing, i dont know how to fìnd it. It's similar to Vbn post

Poliphonic? Our traditional folk songs are mostly variates of so called "White singing" characteristical for Slavs. Dinarids took it too seriously so they are practically yelling lol

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_voice

Such songs are difficult to find on YouTube, here are some ways of "White singing"

https://youtu.be/wLntE4v6VNo

https://youtu.be/hHH3Ia_AdA8

Or you heard Dalmatian "Klapa", traditional a-capella? That's authentic, but it's not pre-Slavic


https://youtu.be/-o4BfvwIsMI

[Catnip]

^^@Marsa, so nothing than :/ what about myths, folklore, some words, anything?

~édit : regarding your haplo, i still think you are Illyrian woman taken by e-v13 man. You belong together ;)

[Marsa]

regarding your haplo, i still think you are Illyrian woman taken by e-v13 man. You belong together;)

Of course we do, Vlach pride ;)


what about myths, folklore, some words, anything?

There are quite some actually; we would need a special thread

[Marsa]

Lika Croat ( Konjsko Brdo, Kosa Janjačka)
-older kit, but I haven't seen it posted

23andMe - 100% Greece & Balkans

Haplogrups : J-CTS15 ; mtDNA : J1d

K13

North_Atlantic 22.93 Pct
Baltic 31.75 Pct
West_Med 16.53 Pct
West_Asian 8.14 Pct
East_Med 14.58 Pct
Red_Sea 3.04 Pct
South_Asian 0.18 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.29 Pct
Amerindian 0.86 Pct
Oceanian 0.7 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 4.5 Pct
Siberian 0.93 Pct
Northwest_African 1.04 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 25.72 Pct
North_European 41.93 Pct
South_Asian 0.31 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.92 Pct
East_Asian 0.74 Pct
Caucasus 17.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

[Varda]

Lika Croat ( Konjsko Brdo, Kosa Janjačka)
-older kit, but I haven't seen it posted

23andMe - 100% Greece & Balkans

Haplogrups : J-CTS15 ; mtDNA : J1d

K13

North_Atlantic 22.93 Pct
Baltic 31.75 Pct
West_Med 16.53 Pct
West_Asian 8.14 Pct
East_Med 14.58 Pct
Red_Sea 3.04 Pct
South_Asian 0.18 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.29 Pct
Amerindian 0.86 Pct
Oceanian 0.7 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Dodecad K12b

Gedrosia 4.5 Pct
Siberian 0.93 Pct
Northwest_African 1.04 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 25.72 Pct
North_European 41.93 Pct
South_Asian 0.31 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.92 Pct
East_Asian 0.74 Pct
Caucasus 17.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Konjsko Brdo is predominantly Bunjevac village. Croatians who are not of Bunjevac origin in Konjsko Brdo are descendants of Muslims who stayed there when Austrians took area in the late 17th century on converted to Catholicism.
Most of the surnames are bunjevačka with few Muslim sounding https://actacroatica.com/en/location/konjsko_brdo/

[Marsa]

Konjsko Brdo is predominantly Bunjevac village. Croatians who are of Bunjevac origin in Konjsko Brdo are descendants of Muslims who stayed there when Austrians took area in the late 17th century on converted to Catholicism .Most of the surnames are bunjevačka with few Muslim sounding https://actacroatica.com/en/location/konjsko_brdo/

Paternal surname isn't of Bunjevac origine, if that is what you wanted to ask ;-) It's authentic in both Lika-Senj and Karlovac county, very old one, and it doesn't peak in any of these villages.

[Nausevar]

Paternal surname isn't of Bunjevac origine, if that is what you wanted to ask ;-) It's authentic in both Lika-Senj and Karlovac county, very old one, and it doesn't peak in any of these villages.
How do you know what surnames are Bunjevac? Aren't all stokavian ikavian croats bunjevacs?

[Marsa]

these are all from the same account, all seem to be Croats from Lika.
some were already in the database but now i ran all of them.

_North_AtlanticBalticWest_MedWest_AsianEast_MedRed _SeaSouth_AsianEast_AsianSiberianAmerindianOceania nNortheast_AfrSub0Saharan
Lika128.1526.5818.469.8713.320.050.180.000.211.340 .770.001.05
Lika234.2729.2315.929.955.371.280.850.181.200.780. 980.000.00
Lika330.1229.5114.245.8515.351.991.080.000.000.191 .230.420.00
Lika428.5929.9616.637.4114.201.170.000.001.480.070 .000.500.00
Lika527.5630.8015.038.8912.163.150.110.000.000.411 .100.000.79
Lika630.5831.2516.088.608.652.100.480.001.040.610. 000.410.19
Lika726.8131.6514.087.4716.921.540.000.000.000.460 .670.000.41
Lika834.0931.8813.802.9614.240.000.000.000.811.081 .140.000.00
Lika926.3532.0418.867.1413.940.000.000.930.240.000 .500.000.00
Lika1025.7032.5517.107.1814.131.560.000.000.890.59 0.280.000.00
Lika1124.2032.7016.457.7515.400.770.850.001.620.26 0.000.000.00
Lika1220.4733.9617.299.8915.030.000.731.530.000.95 0.140.000.00
Lika1327.9034.3413.704.5513.323.730.320.901.060.00 0.170.000.00
Lika1425.3235.0913.339.4414.200.340.760.001.120.39 0.000.000.00
Lika1524.0635.3016.5710.629.852.180.000.000.240.43 0.750.000.00
Lika1627.9835.4114.225.2515.510.000.000.810.110.00 0.720.000.00
Lika1726.2335.7515.198.509.362.450.170.001.440.640 .280.000.00
Lika_avg27.5532.2415.707.7213.001.310.330.260.670. 480.510.080.14

with a sample from Senj there is 18 of them so the average for the region is confirmed.

Lika 2 - 1/2 Croat + 1/2 American (!)
Lika 15 - 1/2 Lika + 1/2 Rijeka

^^ I don't know how I missed this post before, I have some of these confirmed. That man is also part Croat from USA, and he is often uploading new results.
Not all of them are from the region exclusively, or fully Croats; just some closer or more distant relatives.

[Varda]

How do you know what surnames are Bunjevac? Aren't all stokavian ikavian croats bunjevacs?

https://www.poreklo.rs/2012/06/bunjeva%C4%8Dka-prezimena-2/

[Marsa]

these are all from the same account, all seem to be Croats from Lika.
some were already in the database but now i ran all of them.

_North_AtlanticBalticWest_MedWest_AsianEast_MedRed _SeaSouth_AsianEast_AsianSiberianAmerindianOceania nNortheast_AfrSub0Saharan
Lika128.1526.5818.469.8713.320.050.180.000.211.340 .770.001.05
Lika234.2729.2315.929.955.371.280.850.181.200.780. 980.000.00
Lika330.1229.5114.245.8515.351.991.080.000.000.191 .230.420.00
Lika428.5929.9616.637.4114.201.170.000.001.480.070 .000.500.00
Lika527.5630.8015.038.8912.163.150.110.000.000.411 .100.000.79
Lika630.5831.2516.088.608.652.100.480.001.040.610. 000.410.19
Lika726.8131.6514.087.4716.921.540.000.000.000.460 .670.000.41
Lika834.0931.8813.802.9614.240.000.000.000.811.081 .140.000.00
Lika926.3532.0418.867.1413.940.000.000.930.240.000 .500.000.00
Lika1025.7032.5517.107.1814.131.560.000.000.890.59 0.280.000.00
Lika1124.2032.7016.457.7515.400.770.850.001.620.26 0.000.000.00
Lika1220.4733.9617.299.8915.030.000.731.530.000.95 0.140.000.00
Lika1327.9034.3413.704.5513.323.730.320.901.060.00 0.170.000.00
Lika1425.3235.0913.339.4414.200.340.760.001.120.39 0.000.000.00
Lika1524.0635.3016.5710.629.852.180.000.000.240.43 0.750.000.00
Lika1627.9835.4114.225.2515.510.000.000.810.110.00 0.720.000.00
Lika1726.2335.7515.198.509.362.450.170.001.440.640 .280.000.00
Lika_avg27.5532.2415.707.7213.001.310.330.260.670. 480.510.080.14

with a sample from Senj there is 18 of them so the average for the region is confirmed.

I couldn't edit, so I'm reposting :rolleyes:
5, 7, 9, 10, 12, 14 are from Lika;
For others I don't have confirmation yet.

Are these all samples for the region you have + some posted in this thread? Because I have some more...

[vbnetkhio]

I couldn't edit, so I'm reposting :rolleyes:
5, 7, 9, 10, 12, 14 are from Lika;
For others I don't have confirmation yet.

Are these all samples for the region you have + some posted in this thread? Because I have some more...

did you send them to Stearsolina or Moro for the averages already?
if not post them ofc.

[Marsa]

How do you know what surnames are Bunjevac? Aren't all stokavian ikavian croats bunjevacs?

Surnames in Croatia, especially in the area around Dinaric Alps are often very regional so to speak. Their early settlements, as well as the surnames are very well known from the first population census that occured after Ott. Empire; and those "original" Bunjevac surnames are today very limited to the region - such as Krmpota for example.

They weren't the only settlers to Lika-Senj. As mentioned, you also had some converts to Islam who returned to Christianity; than pre-Ottoman population that either remained or returned to the region from the parts around Vinodol, Brinje,Modruš (originally Chakavians); and than again "Kranjci"- Croats from and around of Pokupje and Gorski Kotar(originally Kajkavians); and Serbs of course.

The surnames in the village posted by Varda such as Grivičić, Štimac, Naglić, Jurković aren't Bunjevac at all - Rukavina is. :-) It's not so complicated how it's sounds.

[Nausevar]

Surnames in Croatia, especially in the area around Dinaric Alps are often very regional so to speak. Their early settlements, as well as the surnames are very well known from the first population census that occured after Ott. Empire; and those "original" Bunjevac surnames are today very limited to the region - such as Krmpota for example.

They weren't the only settlers to Lika-Senj. As mentioned, you also had some converts to Islam who returned to Christianity; than pre-Ottoman population that either remained or returned to the region from the parts around Vinodol, Brinje,Modruš (originally Chakavians); and than again "Kranjci"- Croats from and around of Pokupje and Gorski Kotar(originally Kajkavians); and Serbs of course.

The surnames in the village posted by Varda such as Grivičić, Štimac, Naglić, Jurković aren't Bunjevac at all - Rukavina is. :-) It's not so complicated how it's sounds.
Ok, thanks for the answer. Is Bunjevci simply a name to indicate catholics originally from Buna river valley? Were they different from other ikavian people? It seems strange that they have a name for themselves if they are croats like others with no particular difference.

[Dušan]

Ok, thanks for the answer. Is Bunjevci simply a name to indicate catholics originally from Buna river valley? Were they different from other ikavian people? It seems strange that they have a name for themselves if they are croats like others with no particular difference.

Štokavian Ikavian speaking Catholics got name Bunjevci in Dalmatian hinterland, by local Serbs. It was not very admirable name, but they accepted it.

Later thesе Catholics spread Bunjevci name with their migration to Lika and Bačka.

Name Bunjevci is unknown in Herzegovina, although most probably they settled from Herzegovina to Dalmatian hinterland.

Most of Bunjevci got Croatized by time, only part of those in Bačka, in Serbia, still preserve that name as ethnicity.

[Jana]

Ok, thanks for the answer. Is Bunjevci simply a name to indicate catholics originally from Buna river valley? Were they different from other ikavian people? It seems strange that they have a name for themselves if they are croats like others with no particular difference.

They are just average Croats, got name Bunjevac as identification term surrounded by foreigners like Hungarians in Vojvodina.

[Jana]

Štokavian Ikavian speaking Catholics got name Bunjevci in Dalmatian hinterland, by local Serbs. It was not very admirable name, but they accepted it.

Later thesе Catholics spread Bunjevci name with their migration to Lika and Bačka.

Name Bunjevci is unknown in Herzegovina, although most probably they settled from Herzegovina to Dalmatian hinterland.

Most of Bunjevci got Croatized by time, only part of those in Bačka, in Serbia, still preserve that name as ethnicity.

No. They are Croats from very beginnings, unless you Krajina Serbs are Vlachs (like all legal documents call you) who got Serbified by time by SPC. Bunjevac is similar name sub ethnic like Szekely or Csango.

Mind your own business.

[Dušan]

No. They are Croats from very beginnings, unless you Krajina Serbs are Vlachs (like all legal documents call you) who got Serbified by time by SPC. Bunjevac is similar name sub ethnic like Szekely or Csango.

Mind your own business.

But Bunjevci were also known as Vlachs, and clearly separated from Croats :)


Bishop Brajković in his list of Catholic and Orthodox parishes in Lika in 1700 distinguishes these groups of the local population: one is "Orthodox Vlachs" ("Valachorum schismaticorum"), the other is "Catholic Vlachs", otherwise Bunjevci ("Catholici Valachi alias Bunievczi") "Valachorum Bunyevaczorum", the third are "Catholic Croats" ("Catholicorum Croatorum and Croatorum"), and the fourth are "new Christians" (ex Muslims), ie. baptized (neo christianus ”).

[Jana]

But Bunjevci were also known as Vlachs, and clearly separated from Croats :)


Bishop Brajković in his list of Catholic and Orthodox parishes in Lika in 1700 distinguishes these groups of the local population: one is "Orthodox Vlachs" ("Valachorum schismaticorum"), the other is "Catholic Vlachs", otherwise Bunjevci ("Catholici Valachi alias Bunievczi") "Valachorum Bunyevaczorum", the third are "Catholic Croats" ("Catholicorum Croatorum and Croatorum"), and the fourth are "new Christians" (ex Muslims), ie. baptized (neo christianus ”).

Yes and people who call themselves Lika Serbs were known as ortodoksni Vlachs :) :) :)

[Dušan]

Yes and people who call themselves Lika Serbs were known as ortodoksni Vlachs :) :) :)

Cool, I am proud on Vlach heritage. :)

The point is, that Catholic bishop Brajković will find the same Orthodox people in Bosnia and Serbia, as in Lika.

But he clearly separated Bunjevci from Croats. :)

[Selene]

Do we have Bunjevci DNA tests?

[Russki]

proud Vlach heritage


Russians can't stand Romanians, in case you ever wondered.

[Leto]

Russians can't stand Romanians, in case you ever wondered.
Why? Moldovans have been migrating to Russia in tens of thousands annually. They assimilate within one generation, no problem with them. Semi-khokhols anyway.

[Russki]

Why? Moldovans have been migrating to Russia in tens of thousands annually. They assimilate within one generation, no problem with them. Semi-khokhols anyway.


I think I'm stirring shit by separating Romanians and Moldovans.

[Dušan]

Russians can't stand Romanians, in case you ever wondered.

What does it have in common with South Slavic history and autosomal genetics?

Seems you go off topic.

[Leto]

I think I'm stirring shit by separating Romanians and Moldovans.
There are no Romanians from Romania in Russia. Only the Bessarabian Moldos. But they have more Slavic blood than the Wallachians.

[Varda]

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Olga Krmpotić, she is Bunjevac from Bačka and say Bunjevci are Serbs who converted to Catholicism in the past 2:51 - 4:05 https://youtu.be/VlieW5bZtGo?t=171

She know history of her group better than us, and her opinion/attitude is not my fault. Honestly she doesn't look Croatian, but Vlacho-Serb. :biggrin:

[Jana]

Olga Krmpotić, she is Bunjevac from Bačka and say Bunjevci are Serbs who converted to Catholicism in the past 2:51 - 4:05 https://youtu.be/VlieW5bZtGo?t=171

She know history of her group better than us, and her opinion/attitude is not my fault. Honestly she doesn't look Croatian, but Vlacho-Serb. :biggrin:

Varda, you disgusting worm :) you would sell your mother so that Croats can become Serbs.
Such level of disgust and lack of dignity is hardly seen anywhere else.

I never met more self hating person and individual with lack of pride and self respect than you.

Honestly, I would be very uncomfortable to be a Serb because than I would be ashamed some Serbs like you are incredibly full of complexes.

[CommonSense]

Do we have Bunjevci DNA tests?

Vbnetkhio showed me the results of a few kits he found. They aren't like Croats from the Dinaric region at all. Rather close to Hungarians in fact which made me assume they are all mixed with them.

[Jana]

Cool, I am proud on Vlach heritage. :)

The point is, that Catholic bishop Brajković will find the same Orthodox people in Bosnia and Serbia, as in Lika.

But he clearly separated Bunjevci from Croats. :)

No, he will not find same people in Serbia, he would never call them Vlachs, he would clearly separated Srbijanci from orthodox Vlachs such as you :)
Dušan law even prohibited real Serbs from Serbia to mix with Vlachs :laugh:

[Jana]

Vbnetkhio showed me the results of a few kits he found. They aren't like Croats from the Dinaric region at all. Rather close to Hungarians in fact which made me assume they are all mixed with them.

Probably. Somebody also wrote on AG they have a lot of R1a.

[Varda]

Varda, you disgusting worm :) you would sell your mother so that Croats can become Serbs.
Such level of disgust and lack of dignity is hardly seen anywhere else.

I never met more self hating person and individual with lack of pride and self respect than you.

Honestly, I would be very uncomfortable to be a Serb because than I would be ashamed some Serbs like you are incredibly full of complexes.

Calm down!
I fenced myself off Olga Krmpotić. Still i consider her opinion more relevant than of anyone here, since she is Bunjevac unlike you and other members here. Except that, she deals with history of own people especially with their nobility.
And yes, she is too wog for Croatian. Whole world know Croatian are nordic gods of the Balkans!

[Varda]

Probably. Somebody also wrote on AG they have a lot of R1a.

Wrong, R1a is not high in Bunjevci. Among them is very dominant I2-PH908.

[Dušan]

No, he will not find same people in Serbia, he would never call them Vlachs, he would clearly separated Srbijanci from orthodox Vlachs such as you :)
Dušan law even prohibited real Serbs from Serbia to mix with Vlachs :laugh:

Wrong, since Serbs from Serbia have a even bit more Vlach ancestry than we from Krajina and Bosnia.
So, he would find the same kind of Orthodox people from Velebit till Timok - in Krajina, Bosnia and Serbia.

On the other side, Bunjevci are clearly different than Čakavci and Kajkavci. By language, traditions, history. Only Catholic religion is common. And he noticed it.

It is even proven by autosomal genetics that Bunjevci cluster with Serbs, while Kajkavci with Slovaks and Czechs.

[Jana]

Wrong, R1a is not high in Bunjevci. Among them is very dominant I2-PH908.

Actually, I heard it is not and that was said by man who saw lot of tested people with actual Bunjevac-Croat heritage and surnames. He said, they are R1a heavy.
There is also case od member Dilberth on forum.hr who was advised by some Serb there to buy snp test for PH908 because he will surely be that, because he is Bunjevac Croat.

He came out R1a :laugh:

[Varda]

Actually, I heard it is not and that was said by man who saw lot of tested people with actual Bunjevac-Croat heritage and surnames. He said, they are R1a heavy.
There is also case od member Dilberth on forum.hr who was advised by some Serb there to buy snp test for PH908 because he will surely be that, because he is Bunjevac Croat.

He came out R1a :laugh:

Y dna of Catholics from Široki Brijeg and Mostar areas (from wider Š. Brijeg-Mostar area originated most of the Bunjevci): I2 63.8%, R1a 12.1%, E1b 8.5% etc. https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=146.msg169288#msg169288

Sample is 141.

[Jana]

Wrong, since Serbs from Serbia have a even bit more Vlach ancestry than we from Krajina and Bosnia.
Irrelevant. They were never known as Vlachs but you were.


So, he would find the same kind of Orthodox people from Velebit till Timok - in Krajina, Bosnia and Serbia.
No. You yourself are closest to dinaric Croats and Bosniaks in autDNA, average Serbija Serbs are surely not. Must be painful :laugh:


On the other side, Bunjevci are clearly different than Čakavci and Kajkavci. By language, traditions, history. Only Catholic religion is common. And he noticed it.
No. All ikavian Catholic Croats are same shit as Bunjevci, only they don't use that name because they were not a minority surrounded by foreigners.


It is even proven by autosomal genetics that Bunjevci cluster with Serbs, while Kajkavci with Slovaks and Czechs.

No, they don't. Bačka Bunjevci cluster with Hungarians and Croats and not with Serbs.
you cluster with Herzegovina Croats and Muslims on the other hand, but Thank God no Croat would ever wish to include you in our ethnicity.

[Jana]

Y dna of Catholics from Široki Brijeg and Mostar sreas (from wider area of Š. Brijeg and Mostar originated most of the Bunjevci): I2 63.8%, R1a 12.1%, E1b 8.5% etc. https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=146.msg169288#msg169288

Sample is 141.

They are not Bunjevci idiot, I speak about actual Bunjevci people in Bačka and those in Croatia like Dilberth.

[Dušan]

Irrelevant. They were never known as Vlachs but you were.

No. You yourself are closest to dinaric Croats and Bosniaks in autDNA, average Serbija Serbs are surely not. Must be painful :laugh:

No. All ikavian Catholic Croats are same shit as Bunjevci, only they don't use that name because they were not a minority surrounded by foreigners.

No, they don't. Bačka Bunjevci cluster with Hungarians and Croats and not with Serbs.
you cluster with Herzegovina Croats and Muslims on the other hand, but Thank God no Croat would ever wish to include you in our ethnicity.

Wrong, you should leave that K13 calculator, it is not perfect.
It had only few components.


K36 with more components and more refined, clearly show I am closer to Romanians than to Croats.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?361410-K36-calculator&p=7469772&viewfull=1#post7469772

Distance to: Dušan
7.70712657 Serb
8.60729923 Romanian
10.87633670 Croatian
11.82709178 Hungarian
12.44074355 Bulgarian
15.49623180 North_Macedonian
16.13606829 Czech
17.25638722 Slovak
17.56265925 Austrian
18.22100711 Greek
19.45195620 Ukrainian
20.25105923 German_East
20.64765604 Albanian
20.99791180 Polish
22.26414382 German
22.35350755 Italian_North
22.89920959 German_South
24.09610757 Italian
25.10632590 Russian
25.16915573 French_Northeast
25.27229709 Belgian
25.39041158 French_Rhone-Alpes
25.40156491 French
25.96491094 French_South
26.02325691 Flemish

[Varda]

They are not Bunjevci idiot, I speak about actual Bunjevci people in Bačka and those in Croatia like Dilberth.

Western Herzegovinian Catholics are proto-Bunjevci. Since Bunjevci from Dalmatian hinterland, Lika and Bačka are mostly descendants of settlers from western Herzegovina in Ottoman time.
Dalmatian hinterland Croatians/Catholics are predominantly I2a-Din people, with lower R1a than Croatians from other parts of Croatia. Lika Croatians are not all of Bunjevac origin like in Dalmatian hinterland (part of them are native chakavians, baptized Muslims and "Kranjci" semi-kaykavians who settled from Gorski Kotar), and because of that they have lower I2a-Din and higher R1a than Dalmatian Vlaji and Herzegovonian Škutori (pure Bunjevci - "Catholic Dinaric talibans"). Bačka Bunjevci have not yet been genetically tested enough.

[Russki]

K36 with more components and more refined, clearly show I am closer to Romanians than to Croats.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?361410-K36-calculator&p=7469772&viewfull=1#post7469772


Are you proud of being closer to Romanians than to Croats?

Seems like self-own.

[Dušan]

Are you proud of being closer to Romanians than to Croats?

Yes.
I dont want to have anything with Croats.

[Leto]

Yes.
I dont want to have anything with Croats.
It's so fucking complicated, more so than the shit we have with the unholy Khokhols. You share the language with the Croats and Bosniaks but religion/religious identity with the Romanians.

[Russki]

Yes.
I dont want to have anything with Croats.


Yeah I'm sure it's better to be a Romanian copper stealer than a Croat.

[Jana]

In K36 my father is closer to Czechs and Slovaks than to Serbs, very nice :)

Distance to: Dad

8.15295039 Croatian
10.12716150 Hungarian
10.44829173 Czech
12.18308664 Slovak
12.45553291 Serb
12.63665699 Romanian
13.05803584 Ukrainian
13.86674439 Polish
14.23919590 German_East
16.65629311 Austrian
16.97574152 Bulgarian
18.32438812 German
19.08201509 Russian
21.33526424 North_Macedonian
21.54165964 German_South
22.56557334 Dutch_South
22.71431047 French_Northeast
22.95430896 Belgian
22.98699197 Flemish
23.32222116 French
24.05212465 French_Rhone-Alpes
24.25395019 German_Northwest
24.25728963 English_East
24.38945674 Danish
24.56377210 Dutch_Central

[Dušan]

It's so fucking complicated, more so than the shit we have with the unholy Khokhols. You share the language with the Croats and Bosniaks but religion/religious identity with the Romanians.

We share language only with štokavan speaking Croats. Northwestern Croats (kajkavian) are not undertandable when they speak their native dialect.

Your conflict with Ukrainians is very low scaled compared terrible bloodshed that we have with Croats and Bosnian Muslims both in 1941-1945 and 1991-1995.
In slaughtering of Serbs in WW2 were involved even some Croat priests.

Romanians are considered the best neighbour of Serbia, since we never had any conflict and war in history. They also didnt recognized Kosovo, and help us, as they could, during sanctions and nato bombing of Serbia.

[Varda]

Western Herzegovinian Catholics are proto-Bunjevci. Since Bunjevci from Dalmatian hinterland, Lika and Bačka are mostly descendants of settlers from western Herzegovina in Ottoman time.
Dalmatian hinterland Croatians/Catholics are predominantly I2a-Din people, with lower R1a than Croatians from other parts of Croatia. Lika Croatians are not all of Bunjevac origin like in Dalmatian hinterland (part of them are native chakavians, baptized Muslims and "Kranjci" semi-kaykavians who settled from Gorski Kotar), and because of that they have lower I2a-Din and higher R1a than Dalmatian Vlaji and Herzegovonian Škutori (pure Bunjevci - "Catholic Dinaric talibans"). Bačka Bunjevci have not yet been genetically tested enough.

Some of them originated from regions outside of western Herzegovina like eastern Herzegovina, Montenegro, Skadar (Shkoder) region in modern northern Albania, Raška etc.

For example, this Bunjevac (Energija Sunca) say Bunjevac families Kopunović and Kojjndžić originated from Njegovuđa in northern Montenegro https://www.poreklo.rs/2012/06/08/bunjeva%c4%8dka-prezimena-2/#comment-1988

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Njegovuđa

[Jana]

It's so fucking complicated, more so than the shit we have with the unholy Khokhols. You share the language with the Croats and Bosniaks but religion/religious identity with the Romanians.

They share nothing with us culturally or mentally. Their mentality is closer to Roma and Middle East than to Croats.

[rothaer]

(...) you should leave that K13 calculator, it is not perfect.
It had only few components.

K36 with more components and more refined, (...)

This is true and can not be emphasised enough.

[Leto]

We share language only with štokavan speaking Croats. Northwestern Croats (kajkavian) are not undertandable when they speak their native dialect.

Your conflict with Ukrainians is very low scaled compared terrible bloodshed that we have with Croats and Bosnian Muslims both in 1941-1945 and 1991-1995.
In slaughtering of Serbs in WW2 were involved even some Croat priests.

Romanians are considered the best neighbour of Serbia, since we never had any conflict and war in history. They also didnt recognized Kosovo, and help us, as they could, during sanctions and nato bombing of Serbia.
I see.
I count only the national, standard languages. Dialects do not matter much in 2022 and most countries have some kind of dialects and regional varieties. Croats do not write books and newspapers in that dialect you mentioned.
You are right, our conflict is a lot more astroturfed (https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Astroturf#English). Just a generation ago most people barely made a distinction between Russians and Ukrainians, people would move and marry each other freely. On the other hand, the Balkan conflicts seem to be centuries old.

[Dušan]

This is true and can not be emphasised enough.

Of course it is more better than K13.

In K13 Siberian, Oceanian, South Asian combined 3.37%.

In K36 I didnt get any percentage of them, 0%, although the same components exist in K36, too.

[Leto]

Of course it is more better than K13.

In K13 Siberian, Oceanian, South Asian combined 3.37%.

In K36 I didnt get any percentage of them, 0%, although the same components exist in K36, too.
K36 has a lot of very unstable components. Especially they can vary greatly depending on the raw data quality. I am personally not going to use it. For the genetic/ethnic groups I personally work with Dodecad K12b is fine by me.

[Vrazijadivizija]

How do you know what surnames are Bunjevac? Aren't all stokavian ikavian croats bunjevacs?

Bunjevci are undoubtedly of Croatian origin,same with linguistics,
there are some of them today who are at unease to admit they re croats,like those small % in neighbour Vojvodina.
My father often laughs and makes fun of them while he talks with them there,they re all seperated until its time to receive benefits from Croatian goverment and then they are more than happy to be ours and part of ethnic minority..if you ask me i would take back everything we ve gaved them for the past years..they receive more than enough for being ethnic minority but when it comes to politics in their neighbour land they re making up stuff.

[rothaer]

Of course it is more better than K13.
In K13 Siberian, Oceanian, South Asian combined 3.37%.
In K36 I didnt get any percentage of them, 0%, although the same components exist in K36, too.

The main suitability of K36 is to be good for comparisons. What a particular component does represent should imo actually not be dealt with much. The 25 components in G25 also have no names and have never been discussed. Lukasz' correlation maps show that K36 is good for a fine grain distiguishing of even regional populations. A little "but" I'll comment below.

[rothaer]

K36 has a lot of very unstable components.

I experienced a little bit of of that. It is due to that there will be some overlap between the components and this in turn will be more the case when you have many components. But I noticed that this "volatility" is not between arbitrary components. In a case that I had a closer look at I could see that an unusual high result for a particular southern European component was at expense of other southern European components. The sum of them were more stable among testees with a similar ancestry. (In G25 that particular testee scored inconspisciously.) But mostly a notable such instability is restricted to few cases.


Especially they can vary greatly depending on the raw data quality.

You refer to the number of evaluated SNPs by the K36 calculator. (This number can be lower, when the raw data has another SNP selection than that from the Illumina OmniExpress chip which was around when these calculators were constructed.) Essentially that problem is in force for all GEDmatch calculators. Less evaluated SNPs make the result less reliable.


For the genetic/ethnic groups I personally work with Dodecad K12b is fine by me.

12 components, how stable they may be, seem to me not sufficient for a world wide fine grained distinguishing. But I admit that I don't really know that calculator.

[Marsa]

Ok, thanks for the answer. Is Bunjevci simply a name to indicate catholics originally from Buna river valley?

Yes, but as a nickname. That is not how they called themselves; think on 'Morlachs' in Dalmatia.


Were they different from other ikavian people?

No, same people, same stock.
It can still be seen among their matches; especially connection with central Dalmatia where they originated from.


It seems strange that they have a name for themselves if they are croats like others with no particular difference.

On that population census previously mentioned, Muslims were recorded as "Turks"; Dinaric Croats and Serbs as "Vlachs", Croats from Karlovac "Kranjci"; if they went in Hungary they would be all recorded under such names.
It was only after the French Revolution that national consciousness and ethnic identity became a reality. After all we had "Venetians" not Italians.

All Dinaric people/groups adopted many Balkan Romance elements, not only in the genetic sense (because that was never crucial for determining subgroups in the past, nor it is today); but in the more visible sense - the cultural one.
Language obviously didn't play any role, the entire Dinaric Alps were slavophonic for centuries.

Bunjevac were still semi-nomadic shepards prior reaching Lika; and certainly the last nomadic group. That means that in the winter period they would be in Dalmatian hinterland/Herzegovina; in the summer period closer to the coast; Lika was their first permanent settlement.

Other Dinarids were already in permanent settlements for a longer time, slowly accepting agriculture, fishing, and trade; and of course they were still often taken in a military, which traditionally was in a style "who pays me more"; some were even Turkish martologs fighting against other Christians

All Dinarids were for a long time a subgroup, semi nomadic/semi military people, a "free men" too savage and too un-cultured to receive any Croat or Serb/Rascian exonims by others in the past. Something similar what Cosacs were.

Because of their lifestyle they remained the most vital folk and traditionally a group with lots of kids - so it didn't take a long time for them to become the most dominant group that equally contributed in ethnogenesis of modern day Croats and Serbs.

Monteniggaz are obviously the most distinctive subgroup till this day.

Since your description says "Dinaric Slav", I don't think any explanations regarding mentality, customs and traditions were needed :-) btw, that's an Illyrian haplogroup you have, where is your paternal ancestor from ?

[Varda]

....

When you mentioned "Morlachs", something interesting about them. Down is part of document which testifies that real "Morlachs" do not ate ate frogs (Alberto Fortis 1774. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Fortis). And part of other document (probably from a somewhat later period) in which is stated that Catholic "Morlachs eat frogs and snails, and Orthodox "Morlachs" not. For Orthodox "Morlachs" it was forbidden by religion to eat frogs/snails, and they considered Catholic "Morlachs" will lost their souls because they eat that.
In more recent time Orthodox "Morlachs" (Serbs) from Bukovica ate snails (unlike Serbs from the other parts of Dalmatia), i don't know for frogs. I heard from several Serbs from Bukovica that they ate snails. For the first and last time in my life i tried snails in one Serbian family from Đevrske who lives in Serbia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Đevrske
https://i.ibb.co/ctW07BX/277770966-10160239904516757-1120159214605389937-n-1.jpg

[CommonSense]

Here are some results of those Bunjevac individuals (from Vojvodina) that I mentioned in an earlier post:

#1


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 35.09
2 North_Atlantic 26.96
3 West_Med 15.79
4 East_Med 13.29
5 West_Asian 6.73
6 Red_Sea 0.88
7 Amerindian 0.45
8 Siberian 0.32
9 Northeast_African 0.22
10 South_Asian 0.19
11 East_Asian 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.91
2 Moldavian 4.86
3 Hungarian 6.84
4 Serbian 7.72
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.93
6 South_Polish 10.22
7 Ukrainian 10.68
8 Austrian 11.01
9 East_German 11.17
10 Romanian 11.32
11 Bulgarian 13.22
12 Polish 13.64
13 Southwest_Russian 14.25
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 14.77
15 Russian_Smolensk 15.82
16 Estonian_Polish 16.13
17 Belorussian 16.69
18 West_German 18.46
19 Kargopol_Russian 18.69
20 Southwest_Finnish 19.06

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.8% Ukrainian + 26.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.55
2 71% Ukrainian + 29% Tuscan @ 2.57
3 54.7% Lithuanian + 45.3% Tuscan @ 2.66
4 68.7% South_Polish + 31.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.69
5 61.5% Estonian_Polish + 38.5% Tuscan @ 2.69
6 61.8% Polish + 38.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.74
7 91.8% Croatian + 8.2% Ashkenazi @ 2.77
8 62.5% Southwest_Russian + 37.5% North_Italian @ 2.77
9 93.3% Croatian + 6.7% Italian_Jewish @ 2.79
10 50.8% Bulgarian + 49.2% Polish @ 2.79
11 56.8% South_Polish + 43.2% Bulgarian @ 2.84
12 58.9% Serbian + 41.1% Ukrainian @ 2.84
13 93.4% Croatian + 6.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.84
14 64.5% Southwest_Russian + 35.5% Tuscan @ 2.85
15 78.7% Ukrainian + 21.3% Italian_Jewish @ 2.85
16 67.8% Ukrainian + 32.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.85
17 79.5% South_Polish + 20.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.88
18 83.1% Croatian + 16.9% Bulgarian @ 2.9
19 51.5% Ukrainian + 48.5% Romanian @ 2.9
20 89.2% Croatian + 10.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.91


#2 (coordinates only)


Bunjevac,30.19,33.95,15.21,6.13,10.12,0.66,2.10,0. 00,0.00,0.74,0.91,0.00,0.00

[Jana]

Distance to: Bunjevac1

2.35811365 Croat_Slavonia
3.05486497 Croat_Lika
3.21314488 Croat_Bosnia
3.64904097 Bosniak_Krajina_East
3.65767686 Bosniak_Central
3.76441230 Croat_Istria
3.77833297 Croat_Central
3.82542808 Croat_Herzegovina
3.94963289 Croat_Kvarner
4.27848104 Romanian_Moldavia_North
4.31830985 Croat_Dalmatia
4.46138992 Bosniak_Northeast
4.53177669 Hungarian_Alföld
4.70212718 Bosniak_Krajina_West
4.88565246 Lemko_Poland
4.92069101 Moldovan_North
5.33660004 Serb_NorthEastBosnia
5.36056900 Bosniak_Southeast
5.47403873 Hungarian_North
5.51144264 Ukrainian_Carpathians
5.61909245 Romanian_Ukraine
5.76168378 Serb_CentralCroatia
5.94236485 Serb_WestSerbia
6.14390755 Croat_GorskiKotar
6.34409174 Moldovan_Central

Distance to: Bunjevac2

2.37934865 Croat_Central
2.66343763 Slovene
2.86961670 Hungarian_Alföld
2.93453574 Croat_GorskiKotar
2.96587255 Hungarian_North
3.11802822 Croat_Northwest
3.14436003 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
3.17782945 Austrian_Carinthia
4.52792447 Croat_Kvarner
4.72615065 Slovak
4.90058160 Croat_Lika
5.03403417 Lemko_Poland
5.45958790 Bosniak_Central
5.54799063 Austrian_Styria
5.76772052 Croat_Slavonia
5.77999135 Croat_Istria
6.06062703 Croat_Bosnia
6.06197987 Czech
6.25926513 Bosniak_Krajina_East
6.32154253 Ukrainian_Carpathians
6.43017107 Bosniak_Northeast
6.58663040 Croat_Dalmatia
6.67349234 German_Lower_Silesia
6.78195400 Romanian_Moldavia_North
6.78625817 Csángó-Ceangău

[Marsa]

Do we have Bunjevci DNA tests?

Yes, of course. Here is one person with fully unadmixted Bunjevac origines from the times they first settled in Senj.
Ancestors are from Krivi Put and Mrzli Dol.
Because I can't open Vahaduo, I'm posting the original K13

Population
North_Atlantic 25.48 Pct
Baltic 33.41 Pct
West_Med 15.96 Pct
West_Asian 10.01 Pct
East_Med 12.61 Pct
Red_Sea 0.15 Pct
South_Asian 0.36 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.31 Pct
Amerindian 0.61 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.11

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moldavian @ 3.216896
2 Croatian @ 5.474452
3 Serbian @ 7.473720
4 Hungarian @ 8.634952
5 Romanian @ 10.837129
6 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 12.524548
7 Bulgarian @ 13.023890
8 South_Polish @ 13.369925
9 Austrian @ 13.520464
10 Ukrainian @ 13.724407
11 East_German @ 14.158721
12 Southwest_Russian @ 17.383883
13 Polish @ 17.425419
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 17.645452
15 Russian_Smolensk @ 19.612864
16 Estonian_Polish @ 20.230742
17 Belorussian @ 20.956509
18 Tatar @ 21.148046
19 West_German @ 21.512735
20 Kargopol_Russian @ 21.758059

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Ukrainian @ 2.077639


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% South_Polish +25% Ukrainian @ 2.022928


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + South_Polish + Ukrainian @ 2.022928
2 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 2.077639
3 Bulgarian + Romanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 2.151765
4 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.182025
5 Bulgarian + Moldavian + Moldavian + South_Polish @ 2.183038
6 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + South_Polish + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.186052
7 Bulgarian + Croatian + Croatian + Moldavian @ 2.203866
8 Bulgarian + Romanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.218657
9 Bulgarian + Romanian + South_Polish + Ukrainian @ 2.282403
10 Bulgarian + Moldavian + Moldavian + Ukrainian @ 2.321268
11 Bulgarian + Croatian + Croatian + Croatian @ 2.335041
12 Croatian + Romanian + Romanian + Ukrainian @ 2.345050
13 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + South_Polish + South_Polish @ 2.350241
14 Bulgarian + Croatian + Serbian + Ukrainian @ 2.353944
15 Bulgarian + Croatian + Romanian + Ukrainian @ 2.356233

^^If it's not on the list already, it can be included as well for Lika - Senj Croats average.

[Marsa]

When you mentioned "Morlachs", something interesting about them. Down is part of document which testifies that real "Morlachs" do not ate ate frogs (Alberto Fortis 1774. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Fortis). And part of other document (probably from a somewhat later period) in which is stated that Catholic "Morlachs eat frogs and snails, and Orthodox "Morlachs" not. For Orthodox "Morlachs" it was forbidden by religion to eat frogs/snails, and they considered Catholic "Morlachs" will lost their souls because they eat that.
In more recent time Orthodox "Morlachs" (Serbs) from Bukovica ate snails (unlike Serbs from the other parts of Dalmatia), i don't know for frogs. I heard from several Serbs from Bukovica that they ate snails. For the first and last time in my life i tried snails in one Serbian family from Đevrske who lives in Serbia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Đevrske
https://i.ibb.co/ctW07BX/277770966-10160239904516757-1120159214605389937-n-1.jpg

Lol, I know about the "frog part", it's one of my favourites; right next to the description of Morlach women who were capable to "swing their tits behind their back" because they were actually breastfeeding, and among "cultured" people back than that was regarded as backwarded. And ofc, they were greeting people by hugging and kissing, including other men. Disgraceful

Btw, snails can be delicious ;-)

[Ljubic]

Will K13 become irrelevant now that our calculators have been kicked off Vahaduo?


Ps: To contribute somewhat to the topic, Purčari of Vojnić who are also Bunjevci are PH908 (S10860).

[vbnetkhio]

here's one more.

surname appears only in North Bačka District.

M172833, Elapsed time: 8.8 seconds.

Population
North_Atlantic 24 Pct
Baltic 35.7 Pct
West_Med 17.7 Pct
West_Asian 7.51 Pct
East_Med 7.78 Pct
Red_Sea 2.04 Pct
South_Asian 2.85 Pct
East_Asian 0.22 Pct
Siberian 1.43 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.22 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.55 Pct

[Marsa]

Here is one result of Bačka Bunjevac I have :

Population
North_Atlantic 27.74 Pct
Baltic 33.14 Pct
West_Med 13.82 Pct
West_Asian 9.6 Pct
East_Med 12.97 Pct
Red_Sea 1.11 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.22 Pct
Oceanian 0.39 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moldavian @ 4.796319
2 Croatian @ 5.133868
3 Hungarian @ 6.209696
4 Serbian @ 7.052003
5 Romanian @ 11.307828
6 Austrian @ 11.453811
7 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 12.203772
8 East_German @ 12.303483
9 South_Polish @ 12.410449
10 Ukrainian @ 13.502613
11 Bulgarian @ 13.895686
12 Polish @ 16.594744
13 Southwest_Russian @ 17.070141
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 17.298260
15 Russian_Smolensk @ 19.043688
16 West_German @ 19.537951
17 Estonian_Polish @ 19.729004
18 Belorussian @ 20.163944
19 South_Dutch @ 21.312147
20 Kargopol_Russian @ 21.910969

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Romanian +50% South_Polish @ 1.894976


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Romanian +25% South_Polish +25% South_Polish @ 1.894976

[Jana]

@Marsa did you get your parents results?

[Selene]

On K13 I have East Med 15.67. Little higher than average. What could it be? I don't quite understant EM on K13.

S,25.62,34.66,13.45,6.47,15.67,0.2,0.66,1.05,0.0,1 .62,0.0,0.6,0.0

[Jana]

On K13 I have East Med 15.67. Little higjer than average. What could it be? I don't quite understant EM on K13.

S,25.62,34.66,13.45,6.47,15.67,0.2,0.66,1.05,0.0,1 .62,0.0,0.6,0.0

It's elevated but in normal range for Croats :) Imperial Romans were high in this type of admix.

[J.S.]

What is the ancestry breakdown of Modern Croats?

[Flashball]

What is the ancestry breakdown of Modern Croats?

I don't know but are paleo-croatians all more "east-med" or?

[Marsa]

@Marsa did you get your parents results?
No Feiichita :( It's still standing "in the process" which is strange, because it's not about one but two kits.
I don’t know what to think, I haven’t heard anyone waited that long, 5 months have passed.

Fun thing, I didn’t even get an order last year; The post office mistakenly redirected those packages to earthquake victims :rolleyes: I got a refound, but it seems that the whole universe has conspired against Marsa

[Luke35]

No Feiichita :( It's still standing "in the process" which is strange, because it's not about one kit but two.
I don’t know what to think, I haven’t heard anyone wait that long, 5 months have passed.

Fun thing, I didn’t even get an order last year; The post office mistakenly redirected those packages to earthquake victims :rolleyes: I got a refound, but it seems that the whole universe has conspired against Marsa

That must be very frustrating for you. I was reading the kit processing timeline thread over on reddit when my brother's kit was processing. I noticed that kits from Europe can sometimes take a ridiculously long time to get processed. Even my brother's took longer than expected, and we live in the US. Hopefully it's not too much longer for you.

[Marsa]

That must be very frustrating for you. I was reading the kit processing timeline thread over on reddit when my brother's kit was processing. I noticed that kits from Europe can sometimes take a ridiculously long time to get processed. Even my brother's took longer than expected, and we live in the US. Hopefully it's not too much longer for you.

Tbh it is a bit, because for me personally this entire process was done within a reasonable time. I received my results rather quick, and I even used two different companies.

Maybe I just got unfortunate with the Covid pandemic; it seems some customers reported delays in processing time.

Hopefully everything turns out well in the end, I'm patient :)

[Jana]

No Feiichita :( It's still standing "in the process" which is strange, because it's not about one but two kits.
I don’t know what to think, I haven’t heard anyone waited that long, 5 months have passed.

Fun thing, I didn’t even get an order last year; The post office mistakenly redirected those packages to earthquake victims :rolleyes: I got a refound, but it seems that the whole universe has conspired against Marsa

That's terrible :( !! you were really unfortunate.

Did you contact their customer support?

what means "in the process" - does it means it arrived to their lab at least?

You will get them!

[Jana]

Tbh it is a bit, because for me personally this entire process was done within a reasonable time. I received my results rather quick, and I even used two different companies.

Maybe I just got unfortunate with the Covid pandemic; it seems some customers reported delays in processing time.

Hopefully everything turns out well in the end, I'm patient :)

Interestingly I always avoided 23andme after getting my own results because I actually waited for them rather long too (not like this though) and shipping to Croatia was very overpriced.
In case you don't get parents 23andme, I recommend Ancestry full hearted. IMO they are best test on the market right now.

But still, I hope you get parents 23andme results after so much trouble and waiting - and phasing with parents is very useful and exciting feature too!

Keeping my fingers crossed for you!

[Kiel]

Interestingly I always avoided 23andme after getting my own results because I actually waited for them rather long too (not like this though) and shipping to Croatia was very overpriced.
In case you don't get parents 23andme, I recommend Ancestry full hearted. IMO they are best test on the market right now.

But still, I hope you get parents 23andme results after so much trouble and waiting - and phasing with parents is very useful and exciting feature too!

Keeping my fingers crossed for you!

From the results I saw ancestry mixes up German with British a lot. Isnt that right?

[Luke35]

From the results I saw ancestry mixes up German with British a lot. Isnt that right?

Not exactly, imo. On the AncestryDNA platform Germans frequently score some England & NW Europe and Sweden & Denmark, which in this case probably indicates western and northern German ancestry, respectively. I don't think I've seen any examples (after the latest update) of a German scoring mostly E&NWE/Ireland/Scotland/Wales or the inverse, an Irish or English individual scoring mostly Germanic Europe. So, in the case of AncestryDNA, once you're familiar with how to interpret their categories, you can observe a reasonably consistent pattern of scoring.

[Marsa]

Interestingly I always avoided 23andme after getting my own results because I actually waited for them rather long too (not like this though) and shipping to Croatia was very overpriced.
I took MH for them, not 23andMe because besides MtDna they didn't really tell me much I didn't know. They gave me 2% of Ireland/Scotland which doesn't make sense; France/Germany should be more logical.
MH has more SNP's and it's cheaper, and their genetic communities are more-less solid, so they seemed to me as a better option for their first testing.


In case you don't get parents 23andme, I recommend Ancestry full hearted. IMO they are best test on the market right now.
I was already planning on taking it for myself, so I think this what I'm about to do next, but first I'll wait to see how this is going to turn out. Ancestry seems to be the best from what I've seen, you are right.


what means "in the process" - does it means it arrived to their lab at least?
Yes, it means it's in the lab, I think it's gonna be fine.

[Selene]

I also think Ancestry is the best. I use their raw data

MH has more SNP's? I've got strange results from them.

[Marsa]

I also think Ancestry is the best. I use their raw data
MH has more SNP's? I've got strange results from them.
Yes, more SNP's compared to 23andMe; their raw data is better for further analysis.

By strange, you mean on the ethnicity estimates they gave you?
Better ignore. MH is more of an oracle than a test in charge of ancestry research

[Selene]

Yes, more SNP's compared to 23andMe; their raw data is better for further analysis.

By strange, you mean on the ethnicity estimates they gave you?
Better ignore. MH is more of an oracle than a test in charge of ancestry research

Yes, ethnicity estimates. They think I'm 20% Italian hahaha. And a little bit Swedish. Baba Vanga level.

[Jana]

From the results I saw ancestry mixes up German with British a lot. Isnt that right?

In case of 23andme, it usually gets it right but I saw NW Germans like low Saxons can score lot of British and/or Scandinavian (but they will never get regions there)


I took MH for them, not 23andMe because besides MtDna they didn't really tell me much I didn't know. They gave me 2% of Ireland/Scotland which doesn't make sense; France/Germany should be more logical.
MH has more SNP's and it's cheaper, and their genetic communities are more-less solid, so they seemed to me as a better option for their first testing.

Sorry! No idea why I believed you purchased 23andme for your parents. But it's strange MH took so long. For my tests, they were usually rather quick. Let's hope it all goes fine in the end.
Did you get Ireland/Scotland on MH or 23andme? If on 23andme, that's really strange indeed (and interesting!)


I was already planning on taking it for myself, so I think this what I'm about to do next, but first I'll wait to see how this is going to turn out. Ancestry seems to be the best from what I've seen, you are right.

Yes, it means it's in the lab, I think it's gonna be fine.

Good luck! :thumbsup:

[Marsa]

Did you get Ireland/Scotland on MH or 23andme? If on 23andme, that's really strange indeed (and interesting!)

On 23andMe. Yes, it's interesting, but I'm not really sure how accurate this is. I'm sceptical.


Good luck! :thumbsup:
Hvala :)

[RogueState]

Are there results of "ethnic" Italians from Istria and of "ethnic" Croatians from Istria as well ?

I would like to know if they are similar or if they differ a lot ?

Thanks

[Marsa]

No, unfortunately I haven't been able yet to find or confirm any Istrian-Italian results

these are all the results of Croats from Istria I have :


1_IS,25.92,28.06,22.77,9.58,11.46,0,0,0.69,0.68,0. 86,0,0,0
2_IS,25.69,30.12,16.73,9.05,14.82,1.68,0.21,0.47,0 .15,0.11,0.33,0.08,0.02
3_IS,25.67,27.55,17.05,9.25,16.36,2.19,0,0.28,0,1. 26,0.33,0,0
4_IS,25.78,29.54,17.28,9.19,16.28,0,0,0,1.46,0,0.4 8,0
5_IS,27.18,31.89,16.15,8.48,10.25,2.28,0,1.23,0.9, 0.72,0.55,0.17,0.2

some plot quite "southern", but Slavic input is still significant.
MoroLP probably has more samples with a higher Baltic score

With real Italians, regardless on the fact that they live in Istria, I assume that such input should be much lower;
but there is always the possibility that some families have been italianized in the past, so it would be really interesting to finally find some samples

[Russki]

Trst je naš

[Russki]

dp

[Jana]

here are simulated coords of two Istrian-Italians. I found and converted their K36 posted by Vbn, I believe.


Istrian_Italian1,0.12797840856900014,0.13832396756 199997,0.04403391399239999,0.02157227460500001,0.0 3390082785159999,0.009487450283079995,0.0058893513 31000034,0.006292539551999874,0.001891981981999961 4,0.0012916432579999516,-0.003107651595035999,-0.001277465837999963,0.0004288601950000097,0.01172 5962882000247,-0.007825328752000054,-0.000743660816999836,0.003688060841999857,0.000094 76631599994803,0.004377887608999976,-0.0026079411765999984,-0.003843056887999824,-0.002212077634000038,0.0029656986800000035,0.00117 04501130000693,-0.0003753326059999021
Istrian_Italian2,0.12754254427700012,0.13947344795 799999,0.04367652828220001,0.020673984036999972,0. 034863754952999995,0.009438318489559996,0.00547780 5943000013,0.005618781792000106,0.0025262529899999 53,0.0025745058179998358,-0.004194097170851997,-0.0005052245239999592,-0.00005093278300000409,0.011531855170000396,-0.006434785789999838,0.0005617816210000959,0.00468 4611305999915,0.00003887916799993202,0.00407203087 0999981,-0.001559018614999999,-0.0029582954679999093,-0.0028449552339999493,0.0028433403439999724,0.0003 3270703500004953,-0.00009216276200026824

They're about 40-42% proto Slavic.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

here are simulated coords of two Istrian-Italians. I found and converted their K36 posted by Vbn, I believe.


Istrian_Italian1,0.12797840856900014,0.13832396756 199997,0.04403391399239999,0.02157227460500001,0.0 3390082785159999,0.009487450283079995,0.0058893513 31000034,0.006292539551999874,0.001891981981999961 4,0.0012916432579999516,-0.003107651595035999,-0.001277465837999963,0.0004288601950000097,0.01172 5962882000247,-0.007825328752000054,-0.000743660816999836,0.003688060841999857,0.000094 76631599994803,0.004377887608999976,-0.0026079411765999984,-0.003843056887999824,-0.002212077634000038,0.0029656986800000035,0.00117 04501130000693,-0.0003753326059999021
Istrian_Italian2,0.12754254427700012,0.13947344795 799999,0.04367652828220001,0.020673984036999972,0. 034863754952999995,0.009438318489559996,0.00547780 5943000013,0.005618781792000106,0.0025262529899999 53,0.0025745058179998358,-0.004194097170851997,-0.0005052245239999592,-0.00005093278300000409,0.011531855170000396,-0.006434785789999838,0.0005617816210000959,0.00468 4611305999915,0.00003887916799993202,0.00407203087 0999981,-0.001559018614999999,-0.0029582954679999093,-0.0028449552339999493,0.0028433403439999724,0.0003 3270703500004953,-0.00009216276200026824

They're about 40-42% proto Slavic.

Interesting, thanks for sharing! Where exactly are they from?

https://i.imgur.com/l9sMFza.png

[Jana]

Interesting, thanks for sharing! Where exactly are they from?

https://i.imgur.com/l9sMFza.png

Vbn should know, I saw it in his K36 sheet. :)

[Nausevar]

From the graph they could be very close to me. So as I suspected they did mix with slavs, or they are slavs who mixed with italians and adopted italian culture.

[JohnnyP]

I know it's for Croatian kits , Idk if you publishing the mixed ones , this is Macedo-Croatian kit , Girl from Skopje , Mother from Croatia , Father from Macedonia,


Kit number: PW9167713,


Population
North_Atlantic 21.13 Pct
Baltic 26.51 Pct
West_Med 19.8 Pct
West_Asian 7.27 Pct
East_Med 19.51 Pct
Red_Sea 2.38 Pct
South_Asian 1.56 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.27 Pct
Amerindian 1.57 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -




Dodecad k12b


Kit number: PW9167713,


Population
Gedrosia 6.95 Pct
Siberian 0.57 Pct
Northwest_African 0.76 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.21 Pct
Atlantic_Med 28.9 Pct
North_European 33.33 Pct
South_Asian 0.15 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.08 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 22.03 Pct
Sub_Saharan -




K13 Updated regional


Target: Macedo-Croat
Distance: 181.2361% / 1.81236079 | R3P
53.0 Greek_Tsakonia
33.8 Latvian
13.2 Sardinian




Distance to: Macedo-Croat
3.85450386 Montenegro_SouthEast
4.17752319 Bulgarian_Northwestern
4.62607825 Serb_KosovoMetohija
4.90484454 Vlach_Serbia
4.97036216 Romanian_Dobruja
5.20291265 Romanian_Oltenia
5.42946590 Romanian_Muntenia
5.54054149 Moldovan_South
5.54729664 Bosniak_Sandzak_East
5.67625757 Romanian_Banat
5.67901400 Romanian_Transylvania
5.75638776 Romanian_Moldavia_South
5.81804950 Serb_SouthSerbia
5.84478400 Bulgarian_Southwestern
5.84588744 Bulgarian_Southcentral

[Nausevar]

Are those coords scaled?

[Jana]

Are those coords scaled?

Yes.