Poll : Do Iberians have minor SSA admixture?

[gixajo]

Are these the Eurogenes K8 results you were looking for?

SampleEuro HGLBKSub-SaharanOceanianSoutheast AsianSouth-Central Asianmokordo ► gixajo mom64.7335.210.07000
mokordo ► gixajoMH47.540.91.730.030.399.45
mokordo ► gixajo dad44.0343.012.860.610.369.12

[Defcon2]

Are these the Eurogenes K8 results you were looking for?

SampleEuro HGLBKSub-SaharanOceanianSoutheast AsianSouth-Central Asianmokordo ► gixajo mom64.7335.210.07000
mokordo ► gixajoMH47.540.91.730.030.399.45
mokordo ► gixajo dad44.0343.012.860.610.369.12

Possibly though I'm not sure.

Sample:JJD
Calculator:Eurogenes K8 AMI
Results:LBK42.55
Euro HG41.25
South-Central Asian10.55
Sub-Saharan3.38
Amerindian2.27

[gixajo]

Possibly though I'm not sure.


You are not so black...

It´s the first time I see such extreme results on my mother.

[Defcon2]

You are not so black...

It´s the first time I see such extreme results on my mother.

Of 32 ancestors, 1 is completely Senegalese. How am I not that black? :rolleyes:

[gixajo]

Of 32 ancestors, 1 is completely Senegalese. How am I not that black? :rolleyes:

That doesn't work like that, and you know it.:D

[Defcon2]

That doesn't work like that, and you know it.:D

Genetically it is like this, simple math.

[gixajo]

Genetically it is like this, simple math.

But it´s not true that one of your 5th generation 32 ancestors was 100% SSA, so you are interpreting wrongly genealogically that objective mathematical value of your genetic.:)

[Defcon2]

But it´s not true that one of your 5th generation 32 ancestors was 100% SSA, so you are interpreting wrongly genealogically that objective mathematical value of your genetic.:)

Genealogically, it is impossible for me to find 32 ancestors in the upline, it is only our assumption whether that person was 100% SSA or not, so that conclusion could be feasible or just a possibility. This can be applied to any other component, such as being more than 1/2 a Neolithic farmer, obviously this literally is not the case but it is something mathematical that in practice it is as if it were.

[gixajo]

Genetically it is like this, simple math.

https://i.imgur.com/wTxqLzm.jpg

[gixajo]

Genealogically, it is impossible for me to find 32 ancestors in the upline, it is only our assumption whether that person was 100% SSA or not, so that conclusion could be feasible or just a possibility. This can be applied to any other component, such as being more than 1/2 a Neolithic farmer, obviously this literally is not the case but it is something mathematical that in practice it is as if it were.

So according to interpretation of that value from that calculator ...how many of your grandparents were European hunter gatherers?;)

Supongo que estás defendiendo cosas absurdas por el mero hecho de discutir y que realmente sabes que no es así, no?

Porque si pensamos en soluciones matemáticas simples que darían el mismo resultado, sería bastante más factible pensar que tus 32 antepasados directos(hombres y mujeres) hasta tu 5ª generación, tuvieran exactamente el mismo porcentaje que tú, lo que haría que tú tuvieras exactamente ese mismo porcentaje. :thumb001:

O 16 tuvieran un 6% y los otros 16 absolutamente nada, o 16 tuvieran un 2%, otros 15 tuvieran un 1,9% y uno solo tuviera un 35,5%...y así podemos jugar con todas las combinaciones de porcentajes que serían sluciones al problema matemático simplón que estamos planteando.(lo calculé a ojo, pero creo que se ve la idea).

[gixajo]

So saying that a 3% it´s like having one 100% black ancestor among 32 great great great great great grandparent, iy´s a simplistic "graphical form" to see it, it´s true, but it´s not true that having a 3% of any component implies having 1 ancestor with 100% of that component just 5 generations back in the time.

Maybe the first 100% black direct ancestor in your genealogical line existed 20, 30, 40 50, or even 100 generations.

You cannot know it.

[Defcon2]

So according to interpretation of that value from that calculator ...how many of your grandparents were European hunter gatherers?;)

Supongo que estás defendiendo cosas absurdas por el mero hecho de discutir y que realmente sabes que no es así, no?

Porque si pensamos en soluciones matemáticas simples que darían el mismo resultado, sería bastante más factible pensar que tus 32 antepasados directos(hombres y mujeres) hasta tu 5ª generación, tuvieran exactamente el mismo porcentaje que tú, lo que haría que tú tuvieras exactamente ese mismo porcentaje. :thumb001:

O 16 tuvieran un 6% y los otros 16 absolutamente nada, o 16 tuvieran un 2%, otros 15 tuvieran un 1,9% y uno solo tuviera un 35,5%...y así podemos jugar con todas las combinaciones de porcentajes que serían sluciones al problema matemático simplón que estamos planteando.(lo calculé a ojo, pero creo que se ve la idea).

Las posibilidades son infinitas debido a que desconocemos a la gran mayoría de nuestros antepasados, los únicos datos con lo que contamos son las pruebas objetivas y esas dicen que en la práctica soy 1/32 SSA. Lo más seguro es que sea un remanente norteafricano antiguo o a saber qué, pero son solo suposiciones basadas en contextos históricos.

No soy diferente genéticamente a una persona con 1/32 de negro real, a eso me refiero con "en la práctica".

Me voy a dormir que ya es tarde :picard1:

[Pine]

So saying that a 3% it´s like having one 100% black ancestor among 32 great great great great great grandparent, iy´s a simplistic "graphical form" to see it, it´s true, but it´s not true that having a 3% of any component implies having 1 ancestor with 100% of that component just 5 generations back in the time.

Maybe the first 100% black direct ancestor in your genealogical line existed 20, 30, 40 50, or even 100 generations.

You cannot know it.

Not 100 generations.

[Rafael Passoni]

Science changes over time. What is true today, it could be wrong in the future.

[Rafael Passoni]

Relatedness among Basques, Portuguese, Spaniards, and Algerians studied by HLA allelic frequencies and haplotypes
HLA-A, -B, -DRB1, -DQA1, and DQB1 alleles were studied in Iberian and Algerian populations by serology and DNA sequence methodologies. The genetic and cultural relatedness among Basques, Spaniards, and paleo-North Africans (Berbers or Tamazights) was established. Portuguese people have also maintained a certain degree of cultural and ethnic-specific characteristics since ancient times. The results of the present HLA study in Portuguese populations show that they have features in common with Basques and Spaniards from Madrid: a high frequency of the HLA-haplotypes A29-B44-DR7 (ancient western Europeans), A2-B7-DR15 (ancient Europeans and paleo-North Africans), and A1-B8-DR3 (Europeans) are found as common characteristics. Portuguese and Basques do not show the Mediterranean A33-B14-DR1 haplotype, suggesting a lower admixture with Mediterraneans; Spaniards and Algerians do have this haplotype in a relatively high frequency, indicating a more extensive Mediterranean genetic influence. The paleo-North African haplotype A30-B18-DR3 present in Basques, Algerians, and Spaniards is not found in Portuguese either. The Portuguese have a characteristic unique among world populations: a high frequency of HLA-A25-B18-DR15 and A26-B38-DR13, which may reflect a still detectable founder effect coming from ancient Portuguese, i.e., oestrimnios and conios; Basques and Algerians also show specific haplotypes, A11-B27-DR1 and A2-B35-DR11, respectively, probably showing a relatively lower degree of admixture. A neighbor-joining dendrogram place Basques, Portuguese, Spaniards, and Algerians closer to each other and more separated from other populations. Genetic, cultural, geological, and linguistic evidence also supports the hypothesis that people coming from a fertile Saharan area emigrated towards the north (southern Europe, Mesopotamia, the Mediterranean Islands, and the North African coast) when the climate changed drastically to hotter and drier ca 10 000 years B.C.
In:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/225705696_Relatedness_among_Basques_Portuguese_Spa niards_and_Algerians_studied_by_HLA_allelic_freque ncies_and_haplotypes

[zebruh]

Yes they have a bit of ssa.

[Urbanuss]

Which iberians?

This Northern Portuguese from Trás-os-Montes shows 0% niggoid (SSA).
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The "SSA" most times isnt really monkenoid (SSA), but iberomaurisian.

Why you dont ask if swedes or norwegians have Siberian/Saami/East Asian or Italians have so much West Asian and some Red Sea?

[Septentrion]

Vote and discuss please.

Stop the nonsensical garbage!!!!! Iberians are White fellas.

[Scandal]

Stop the nonsensical garbage!!!!! Iberians are White fellas.
Stop what? This thread is more than 2 years old, why did you bump it?

[alnortedelsur]

Many Iberians score some SSA, but very irrelevant (something like < 3%, and in most cases very less than 3%, like between 0.1-2%), and also many Iberians score a big fat zero SSA.

[Jingle Bell]

Many Iberians score some SSA, but very irrelevant (something like < 3%, and in most cases very less than 3%, like between 0.1-2%), and also many Iberians score a big fat zero SSA.

This, is the only correct answer

[Scandal]

I'm asking Loki to close this thread because people keep bumping it.

[HelloGuys]

the vast majority (almost all in fact) is due via North African heritage than direct Sub-Saharan African people.

[Beowulf]

In G25 or comercial tests no but in Gedmatch i show sometimes a very residual SSA :p