J2 and the foundation of Human Civilization

[Dr_Maul]

It seems like many people here are ignorant about the founders of Humanity (J2 super-race) so I found this online which can educate. Open in new tab and zoom if it is not readable
https://i.ibb.co/5jDvgV0/Theseedingofcivilization.png

[Mejgusu]

Mashallah, from Roman empire to the Turkic kaghanates, J2 is the father of all great civilizations.

[Teutonski]

Only paternal line matters dadash

[IndoEuropeanR1b]

R1b > J2

[Tacitus]

They forgot about J2 in Mycenaean/Helladic Greece.

[Dr_Maul]

Only paternal line matters dadash

As an I1 and honorable brother of J haplo we can grant you Dhimmi status in the Khalifa as opposed to other haplos which will be genocided such as R1

[Dr_Maul]

R1b > J2

R1b are useful servants to facilitate the expansion of J2 rule, why not

[Mejgusu]

But it is indeed a very interesting haplogroup. It must be emerged somewhere between Anatolia, Levante, Caucasus and Iran but it is omnipresent in who Eurasia.

[Impaler]

Proud to be J2. ;)

[Dr_Maul]

it is omnipresent in who Eurasia.

Yes, thankfully we took pity on humanity and decided to give out our civilization.

[Adamm]

I hate all haplogroups except for my E brothers.

[Dr_Maul]

I hate all haplogroups except for my E brothers.

Since E were our loyal compatriots during Roman and Sumerian days it is unfortunate for you to have this opinion

[Dr_Maul]

But it is indeed a very interesting haplogroup. It must be emerged somewhere between Anatolia, Levante, Caucasus and Iran but it is omnipresent in who Eurasia.

It becomes obvious that only a unique and gifted haplo can have such a position. In the face of invasions by R1 baboons, J2 placed itself in a dominant position amongst their ranks and penetrated it accordingly. Most likely we can see that Steppe invasions historically are a result of R1 slave-soldiers commanded by a J2 elite. Through this event, wherever they went we commanded. And we placed ourselves accordingly.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/J2-Y-DNA-Haplogroup-Map-J2-M172-Map-J2-Haplogrubu-Haritasi-v3.png

[Hektor12]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/J2-Y-DNA-Haplogroup-Map-J2-M172-Map-J2-Haplogrubu-Haritasi-v3.png

https://i.imgur.com/QlqCNsp.png

[Dick]

Ancient Spartans were(well still are) J2a. So if it’s from the steppe then they were Indo-European speakers

[Dr_Maul]

https://i.imgur.com/QlqCNsp.png

Notice that it is located in Manchuria. Most likely because Qing dynasty elite was J2. Yet another proof

[Dr_Maul]

Ancient Spartans were(well still are) J2a. So if it’s from the steppe then they were Indo-European speakers

Concept of Steppe is irrelevant in this scenario. What is in question is the J2 and the non-J2's. Spartan J2 is just an example of how the elite J2 dominance occurs

[chinshen]

How can you tell that Sumerians were mostly J2 Y-DNA?

[Dr_Maul]

How can you tell that Sumerians were mostly J2 Y-DNA?

It was suggested by ZallouaWells 2004 and al-Zaheri 2003. And Sumer is one of the oldest civilizations, following the fact of Civilization = J2 presence at elite level we can determine that they had J2.

[Figaro]

I never realized until now how much J2 was in East Asia/SE Asia

[Nomad]

Interestingly,there is a correlation between peoples with J2 origin and mountainous regions.You can find such haplogroups in Mongolian-Manchurian groups also because that is result of Turkic admixture in East Asian nomads and sedentar groups.

[LittleDarkAge]

J1 and J2 are present in Southern Europe. The reason why it's also present in Mesopotamia is because our ancestors lived there, and they built the first human civilization, Sumeria.

Dudley Buxton and Talbot Rice, two British researchers, conducted a study on the human remains found at Kish.

"The investigations of Sir Arthur Keith on the skulls from 'Ubaid, near Ur, definitely prove the Sumerians to belong to the long-headed races, and Dr. Buxton finds two long-headed races in the palace skulls at Kish, which he designates as Eurafrican and Mediterranean."

Eurafrican is the Atlanto-Mediterranid type found all across Southern Europe.

What the study found is that Sumerians were Europids generally and Mediterranids specifically.


(See: Report on the Human Remains Found at Kish, L. H. Dudley Buxton and D. Talbot Rice)

[chinshen]

It was suggested by ZallouaWells 2004 and al-Zaheri 2003. And Sumer is one of the oldest civilizations, following the fact of Civilization = J2 presence at elite level we can determine that they had J2.

So it was merely a guess by ZallouaWells 2004 and al-Zaheri 2003. I was just curious how you could tell that Sumerians were of J2 haplotype when no DNA analysis was done on their skeletal remains which were many, or at least not published.

[Dr_Maul]

J1 and J2 are present in Southern Europe. The reason why it's also present in Mesopotamia is because our ancestors lived there, and they built the first human civilization, Sumeria.


Yes, the first sons were Sumerian J2’s. Other haplos are basically our deformed children. Well, except maybe those in the broader IJ family.

[Dr_Maul]

So it was merely a guess by ZallouaWells 2004 and al-Zaheri 2003. I was just curious how you could tell that Sumerians were of J2 haplotype when no DNA analysis was done on their skeletal remains which were many, or at least not published.

It’s a logical assumption considering all civilization was built by J2s (thus including Sumeria, which is in a logical position for the J2 origin both chronologically and geographically).

[Hektor12]

I never realized until now how much J2 was in East Asia/SE Asia

https://i.imgur.com/7S6ZtFC.png

[Dr_Maul]

https://i.imgur.com/7S6ZtFC.png

These so called turanics are one of the many children of our J2 Sumerian super-race. But not all of it is related

[Hektor12]

These so called turanics are one of the many children of our J2 Sumerian super-race. But not all of it is related

Whats your theory for Vietnam/Cambodia? I have no idea.

[Dr_Maul]

Whats your theory for Vietnam/Cambodia? I have no idea.

Quite simply
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinh_D%C6%B0%C6%A1ng_V%C6%B0%C6%A1ng
This man is the supposed creator and ancestor of the Vietnamese.
But he himself is descended from this man:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shennong
"Shennong taught humans the use of the plow, aspects of basic agriculture, and the use of medicinal plants"
Basically, a J2 who migrated to the region (Sumeria->Indian Ocean route?)by spreading agriculture and civilization. This is how he is depicted:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/45/Guo_Xu_album_dated_1503_%282%29.jpg/1920px-Guo_Xu_album_dated_1503_%282%29.jpg
Not very Han looking. Those J2 in Indochina are likely his descendants.

[Megadorian]

R1b > J2

Nah

But also

E-V13>>>>>R1a

Albanians are outbreeding your cuck slav race in a blink of an eye

[RatCat]

edit: wrong thread xd

[IndoEuropeanR1b]

Nah

But also

E-V13>>>>>R1a

Albanians are outbreeding your cuck slav race in a blink of an eye

I'm not a slav, I'm germanic and insular celtic. I like E-V13, Hitler was.

[Dr_Maul]

https://i.ibb.co/NTVGkmC/roth.png
https://i.ibb.co/Ss0CVr4/roth2.png

Hmmm....

https://i.ibb.co/fMbM0S6/tulrtd.png

[Dr_Maul]

J2 Bulgars?
https://i.ibb.co/Gc9CQVW/Europe2.png
https://i.ibb.co/vcKLTYt/Europe.png

[Figaro]

This R1 is not amused.

Rethel, we must gather the Horde and discuss with the Elders how we shall defend R1 from J2 maniacs!

[Dr_Maul]

This R1 is not amused.

Rethel, we must gather the Horde and discuss with the Elders how we shall defend R1 from J2 maniacs!

The Age of R1 is over... The time of the J2, has come (again)

[Rethel]

Why this thread has allready almost 5 /five/ (sic!) pages and almost 40 /forty/ (sic!) posts?!?!?! :picard1:

[Mantuano]

Nice haplogroup.

[Dr_Maul]

Why this thread has allready almost 5 /five/ (sic!) pages and almost 40 /forty/ (sic!) posts?!?!?! :picard1:

Simply discussing the world Overlords and space conquerors (J2) not an R1 farmers concern.

[Fedora]

Majority of Anatolian Turks are J2A

[Jana]

I like J2. Distant cousins of my I2 tribe.

[Altaylı]

Interestingly there are many haplo J2 among Early Turkic people
Btw cool haplogroup

[gıulıoımpa]

J2 is the haplogroup of empires. that is because in ancien regime societies farming is the base of prosperousness and seems like J2 people clearly had an headstart in that field.

[Gredos]

It seems like many people here are ignorant about the founders of Humanity (J2 super-race) so I found this online which can educate. Open in new tab and zoom if it is not readable
https://i.ibb.co/5jDvgV0/Theseedingofcivilization.png

What rotten shit is that Al Andalus?

Christians kingdoms were more civilized than degenerate Al Andalus, the only relevant events that are remembered from Al Andalus in the history books are the battles

[Figaro]

I like these haplogroup wars. Keeps us all young.

[Frowning Man]

I like haplogroup J2, but I prefer G2a1.

[Dr_Maul]

What rotten shit is that Al Andalus?

Christians kingdoms were more civilized than degenerate Al Andalus, the only relevant events that are remembered from Al Andalus in the history books are the battles

Agree with them or not Andalus was a J2 elite with minor E-M81 contributions. And they did have good architecture, mathematics and other things.

[Altaylı]

i am curious i heard Tamerlane was J2 from somewhere before but i am not sure how much is that true
if this is true then i will agree J2 is the best haplogroup :D
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/52/7e/ea/527eea45705039c6afdec2b73d5934fb.jpg

[Dr_Maul]

i am curious i heard Tamerlane was J2 from somewhere before but i am not sure how much is that true
if this is true then i will agree J2 is the best haplogroup :D
It is said that Timur was J2, I think it is based off of FamilyTreeDNA or something. It would not be surprising because quite a few of those Mongols and Manchus have been found with it

[Altaylı]

It is said that Timur was J2, I think it is based off of FamilyTreeDNA or something. It would not be surprising because quite a few of those Mongols and Manchus have been found with it

Yeah, i think timur has more chance to be a J2 than mongols and manchus but i am not sure
his facial reconstruction looks eurasian(like Uzbeks) not fully mongoloid
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0d1wEtXeqkQjPSrb98KehK5S7OL8VH HAj7X2fQqksEsEgpOQn-JF1WTw&s=10

[Dr_Maul]

Yeah, i think timur has more chance to be a J2 than mongols and manchus but i am not sure
his facial reconstruction looks eurasian(like Uzbeks) not fully mongoloid
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0d1wEtXeqkQjPSrb98KehK5S7OL8VH HAj7X2fQqksEsEgpOQn-JF1WTw&s=10

To me this painting of his looks almost completely West Eurasian

http://www.artnet.com/WebServices/images/ll00031llduEjGFgNKECfDrCWvaHBOc1PuC/italian-school-venetian-(16)-portrait-of-tamerlane.jpg

Also despite his paternal Mongol origins is mother is apparently a peasant or local person from that region so its possible she was very Caucasoid if she was Tajik/Persian

[Leto]

A Volga Tatar with J2a (Y7687)

Gedrosia 9.11 Pct
Siberian 11.71 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.6 Pct
Atlantic_Med 20.04 Pct
North_European 42.9 Pct
South_Asian 1.31 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 0.65 Pct
East_Asian 4.81 Pct
Caucasus 7.85 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Ilyas
6.11534136 Tatar_Mishar
7.24486025 Tatar_Kazan
10.80802017 Bashkir_North
11.24800871 Besermyan_Udmurtia
11.77184777 Komi
12.02576817 Chuvash
14.62995215 Bashkir_Central
14.85110434 Udmurt
14.90654890 Russian_Ural
15.23992454 Mordovian

Distance to: Ilyas
1.48293783 66.40% Bashkir_North + 33.60% Icelandic
1.72201406 68.40% Bashkir_North + 31.60% Irish
1.86476761 67.80% Bashkir_North + 32.20% Scottish
1.92363137 66.80% Bashkir_North + 33.20% Danish
2.06266498 65.60% Bashkir_North + 34.40% German_Northwest
2.08662525 67.80% Bashkir_North + 32.20% English_North
2.14294996 58.60% Bashkir_Central + 41.40% Swedish
2.30110221 66.00% Bashkir_North + 34.00% Swedish
2.35241809 68.00% Bashkir_North + 32.00% English_mixed
2.40818521 59.60% Bashkir_Central + 40.40% Danish

Target: Ilyas
Distance: 1.6716% / 1.67162682 | ADC: 0.5x RC
46.3 Tatar_Kazan
28.3 Besermyan_Udmurtia
25.4 Irish

[Glauk]

J2b-L283 is the second most common haplogroup together with R1b-M269 at around 18-20 %, in albanians

[Rethel]

the world Overlords and space conquerors (J2)

Agree with them or not Andalus was a J2 elite

J2 is the haplogroup of empires.

Is there a doctor in the house?


I like these haplogroup wars. Keeps us all young.

It would be fine, if it would be based on truth and common sense.
Unfortunatly — like this mental assylium's thread is showing — it is not the case.

[alexmegas777]

we really are KANGZ and shiet

[Dr_Maul]

various copes

I'm sorry Rethel that I have to shatter your fantasy. Must be painful that even in your own country, the J2 Elite was ruling (House Lubomirski, J2b2a-L283). It is, after all, the nature of R1 to be subservient to us. You must realize that we, along with our Neolithic confederates, have been ruling from the shadows. It is our ultimate goal to eliminate the R1. Whether it was Frederick the Great (I2) killing R1a's, or E-V13 Adolf killing R1b's.

[Altaylı]

The age of R1 is over Rethel.
J2 come back again but at ths time in steppes among Turkic people

[Dr_Maul]

The age of R1 is over Rethel.
J2 come back again but at ths time in steppes among Turkic people

J2 Jihad on Turkic R1 must be executed from West Asia. Besides Turks, Azeris, Chuvashes and Uyghurs, the other Central Asians have been lost to subhuman Q, N, C, and R1 lineages. They must be eradicated

[happycow]

I wish I were J2 but I'm just a lowly G neolithic farmeroid. :(

[Figaro]

The age of R1 is over Rethel.
J2 come back again but at ths time in steppes among Turkic people

Bruh, you could be R1

[Altaylı]

Bruh, you could be R1

:d shh don't ruin the roleplay xDxD

[Altaylı]

Double post

[Rethel]

I'm sorry Rethel that I have to shatter your fantasy. Must be painful that even in your own country, the J2 Elite was ruling (House Lubomirski, J2b2a-L283).

None Lubomirski was ever a king, neither a share-duke. You really live in fantasy.
Btw, it is not known, if this is hg Lubomirskich, as only one recent guy was tested.
But even if is, there is nothing special in that, as 2,5% people should have it.


It is, after all, the nature of R1 to be subservient to us. You must realize that we, along with our Neolithic confederates, have been ruling from the shadows. It is our ultimate goal to eliminate the R1.

This is your pure imagination.


Whether it was Frederick the Great (I2) killing R1a's, or E-V13 Adolf killing R1b's.

There is no proof that Hohenzollerns are I2.
This is Maciamo's fantasy based on some slut's story.

[Dr_Maul]

You really live in fantasy

I feel sorry for you, and all R1's. When the Rothschilds declare the J2 Khalifa, you will remember this moment.

[Altaylı]

subhuman, N, and R1 lineages. They must be eradicated

I hope Kyp doesn`t hear that :d :d

[Rethel]

Majority of Anatolian Turks are J2A

Less than 24% it is the majority? :shocked:


I wish I were J2 but I'm just a lowly G neolithic farmeroid. :(

:picard2:

What is wrong with you?


I feel sorry for you, and all R1's. When the Rothschilds declare the J2 Khalifa, you will remember this moment.

Jew and Khalifat? :scratch:

[Altaylı]

Lol why i am defending J2? There aren`t any J2 (among known results) in my tribe too:confused::scratch:

[gıulıoımpa]

Is there a doctor in the house?



It would be fine, if it would be based on truth and common sense.
Unfortunatly — like this mental assylium's thread is showing — it is not the case.


don't you ever again show the audacity of quoting my sentences and contributions partially . quote them full as they were. thank you.

[Figaro]

R1 are the sons of Europa and the beast from the sea/Dagon. While I give no honor to my distant ancestors motives and paganism, J2’s in their usual way of hiding and distorting history has us thinking we emerged as baboons north of Caucas. We also are blended with prior Japheth-lineages.

[Altaylı]

Bruh, you could be R1

Actually there are 3 results from my tribe and 2 of them are R1 (one R1a Z93 one R1b z2103)

[happycow]

:picard2:

What is wrong with you?



Relax. It's a joke. J2's are armenoid race. Happy to not be armenoid. :cool:

[Leto]

R1 is hated by just about everyone who is not R1 himself. We have plenty of fucks here who are like that (not naming any names). Although I don't want to have anything in common with certain proponents of R1 either. It's a motherfucking madhouse!

[Altaylı]

lol Leto is going mad :D

[Leto]

I'm sorry Rethel that I have to shatter your fantasy. Must be painful that even in your own country, the J2 Elite was ruling (House Lubomirski, J2b2a-L283). It is, after all, the nature of R1 to be subservient to us. You must realize that we, along with our Neolithic confederates, have been ruling from the shadows. It is our ultimate goal to eliminate the R1. Whether it was Frederick the Great (I2) killing R1a's, or E-V13 Adolf killing R1b's.
Persia and India were founded by us and the founders looked like me before their genetics was swallowed up by brown pussy.

[Leto]

lol Leto is going mad :D
So others can troll and I cannot? Yes, I'm trolling here, it's not a secret. Doctor Maul is the initiator though.

[Altaylı]

So others can troll and I cannot? Yes, I'm trolling here, it's not a secret. Doctor Maul is the initiator though.

:D no no problem you can do too
Btw I wonder my haplogroup too much

[Dr_Maul]

Persia and India were founded by us and the founders looked like me before their genetics was swallowed up by brown pussy.

Its cope. You know why? Because the founders of the founders (Yamnaya) looked J2 :cool:

[Leto]

:D no no problem you can do too
Btw I wonder my haplogroup too much
Turkey is very diverse in terms of haplogroups, it can be almost anything in your case. Maybe your specific tribe is less diverse though, I don't know.
By the way, why do you like Tamerlane? Wasn't he against the Ottomans? He killed millions of people.

[Leto]

Its cope. You know why? Because the founders of the founders (Yamnaya) looked J2 :cool:
They were whites. The Yamnaya were born in Russia, even the name comes from Russian (yama means pit). How could they have looked J2 even though they're the ancestors of most Europeans?

[Mejgusu]

Maybe the Anunnaki were J2 too?

[Figaro]

R1 initiated the Late Bronze Age Collapse. Sea Peoples and other sons of Dagon. Branches became associated with the steppes slightly later, as the children of Minos’ brothers became wanderers and nomads after banishment from Crete.

Even Egypt fell by our hand.

[Altaylı]

Turkey is very diverse in terms of haplogroups, it can be almost anything in your case. Maybe your specific tribe is less diverse though, I don't know.
By the way, why do you like Tamerlane? Wasn't he against the Ottomans? He killed millions of people.

I like Tamerlane because he was good strategist
Ye he did a battle with ottomans but anatolian Turkmens changed side and joined Timurid in ankara battle (i am an anatolian Turkmen too) also Timur didn't act badly against to Ottomans and Ottoman Sultans they did just war Timurid didn't kill Turks in anatolia probably just killed native anatolian people

Also i am not sure about this but maybe my tribe was dulkadirid in that era
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beylik_of_Dulkadir
I like both Ottoman and Timurid

[Dr_Maul]

They were whites. The Yamnaya were born in Russia, even the name comes from Russian (yama means pit). How could they have looked J2 even though they're the ancestors of most Europeans?

Both of us know that Yamnaya had Black hair and brown eyes. EHG R1 Barbarians looked foreign to them (thats why they conquered them) compared to their J2 compatriots.

[Leto]

Both of us know that Yamnaya had Black hair and brown eyes. EHG R1 Barbarians looked foreign to them (thats why they conquered them) compared to their J2 compatriots.
Okay, I consider only R1a cultures to be muh people, to be honest.

How do you view the haplogroup struggle in Iran? Our diaspora in Iran is still not exactly small.

[Dr_Maul]

Okay, I consider only R1a cultures to be muh people, to be honest.

How do you view the haplogroup struggle in Iran? Our diaspora in Iran is still not exactly small.

The presence of R1a+R1b has proved to be quite disastrous for Iran, considering their numbers (1/3 in total?) but do not underestimate J2 in those lands either.

[Altaylı]

I have a question how EHG looked like? some people say they looked asiatic influenced but i am not sure

[reboun]

I have a question how EHG looked like? some people say they looked asiatic influenced but i am not sure

I am not sure but probably like Turanid/Uralid maybe?

[Dr_Maul]

I have a question how EHG looked like? some people say they looked asiatic influenced but i am not sure

They looked mixed of Asian and European, but they were Barbarians overall. Good thing that we J2's conquered the steppe from them :cool:

[Rethel]

R1 initiated the Late Bronze Age Collapse. (...)
Even Egypt fell by our hand.

And this was the first on a large scale transindoeuropean intercontinental war,
because the Middle Eastern at that time, was basically ruled by Indoeuropeans.
Maybe Sea Peoples punished imperial IEs for being too far deindoeuropeanized :laugh:


We also are blended with prior Japheth-lineages.

Wrong. We ARE Japhethites.

[Hektor12]

R1 is hated by just about everyone who is not R1 himself. We have plenty of fucks here who are like that (not naming any names). Although I don't want to have anything in common with certain proponents of R1 either. It's a motherfucking madhouse!

Lul, its interesting to see an autosomal warrior like you in y-dna wars.

[Kurt]

Majority of Anatolian Turks are J2A

Yes, my haplogroup is J2a1b1.
My docedad K12b Results.
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 36.06
2 Gedrosia 15.47
3 Atlantic_Med 11.86
4 North_European 11.40
5 East_Asian 7.96
6 Southwest_Asian 7.71
7 Siberian 7.65

Distance to: Bozkurt
4.64109664 Turk_Southwest
5.64923004 Turk_South
5.85249528 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
6.25984824 Turk_Northwest
6.70061937 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.70353638 Turk_Central_West
8.32176063 Turk_Central_East
10.00053999 Turk_Southeast
10.75142316 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.84880585 Azerbaijani_Republic
12.29116756 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.98587694 Kabardin
13.10019084 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
13.46963622 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.62603391 Abazin
14.26534262 Turkmen_Iran
14.53156220 Kumyk
14.54865286 Circassian
14.70993542 Turk_East
15.17929511 Karachay
15.40556718 Balkar
15.64257651 Turkmen_TM
15.66417250 Nogai
15.95909772 Kurd_Kurmanji
16.40718135 Udi_Azerbaijan

[Flashball]

Anatolian Hunter Gatherer was mostly G, i suppose, not J.

Natufian J, i suppose...

[Hektor12]

Anatolian Hunter Gatherer was mostly G, i suppose, not J.

Natufian J, i suppose...


According to ancient DNA analyses conducted by Lazaridis et al. (2016) on Natufian skeletal remains from present-day northern Israel, the Natufians carried the Y-DNA (paternal) haplogroups E1b1b1b2 (xE1b1b1b2a, E1b1b1b2b) (2/5; 40%), CT (2/5; 40%), and E1b1 (xE1b1a1, E1b1b1b1) (1/5; 20%).

Ancient J-M410, specifically subclade J-Y12379*, has been found, in a mesolithic context, in a tooth from the Kotias Klde Cave in western Georgia dating 9.529-9.895 cal. BP.[13] This sample has been assigned to the Caucasus hunter-gatherers (CHG) autosomal component.[14] J-M410, more specifically its subclade J-PF5008, has also been found in a mesolithic sample from the Hotu and Kamarband Caves located in Mazandaran Province of Iran, dating back to 9,100-8,600 B.C.E (approximately 11,000 ybp).[15] Both samples belong to the Trialetian Culture. It is likely that J2 men had settled over most of Anatolia, the South Caucasus and Iran by the end of the Last Glaciation 12,000 years ago.

[Kaazi]

Which of the Indo-Aryan/ Vedic samples were J2? Which one is J2-Z2443? and which one is J2-Y26741?

[Dr_Maul]

Which of the Indo-Aryan/ Vedic samples were J2? Which one is J2-Z2443? and which one is J2-Y26741?

PAK_Loebanr_IA:I12982 is J2-Z2433 , other one is KGZ_Aigyrzhal_BA:I11527

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

The cradle of civilization is obviously E1b

[Kaazi]

PAK_Loebanr_IA:I12982 is J2-Z2433 , other one is KGZ_Aigyrzhal_BA:I11527

KGZ_Aigyrzhal_BA is BMAC + WSHG, not Steppe MLBA while Loebanr is Swat valley Iron Age and there's confusion whether Swat valley IA is Indo-Aryan or not.

Indo-Aryan is Steppe MLBA and Vedic is Painted Grey Ware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Painted_Grey_Ware_culture

[Dr_Maul]

KGZ_Aigyrzhal_BA is BMAC + WSHG, not Steppe MLBA while Loebanr is Swat valley Iron Age and there's confusion whether Swat valley IA is Indo-Aryan or not.

Indo-Aryan is Steppe MLBA and Vedic is Painted Grey Ware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Painted_Grey_Ware_culture

Katelai and Butkara IA also have J2. Also the Steppe MLBA outlier was Kazakhstan_Taldysay_MLBA2

[L.o.l.i.t.a]

The funny thing is that J2 is a minority in all the European populations mentioned in the map.

[Rethel]

The cradle of civilization is obviously E1b

Cardle of civilisation had no particular hg, because all people were there. Problem solved.

[Rethel]

The funny thing is that J2 is a minority in all the European populations mentioned in the map.

Not only a minority, but very insignificant minority, even very tiny in average.
The only place in the World where J2 is in majority is Ingushgetia and to lesser
degree Chechnya. And even this was probably caused by recent founder effect.

It is just one of the most mental threads on this forum, which shouldn't be bumped ever.

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

Cardle of civilisation had no particular hg, because all people were there. Problem solved.

No, it was only E1b

Particularly E-M78

[Rethel]

No, it was only E1b

Particularly E-M78

Tell me yet, it was in Somalia... :picard2:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Geographical_frequency_distribution_of_Haplogroup_ E-M78_%28Y-DNA%29.png

[Dr_Maul]

The funny thing is that J2 is a minority in all the European populations mentioned in the map.

Elite always represent minority lineages

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

Tell me yet, it was in Somalia... :picard2:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Geographical_frequency_distribution_of_Haplogroup_ E-M78_%28Y-DNA%29.png

No, it was in Egypt and Nubia. On the Nile valley. Nile Valley is the birthplace of all civilization because all humans ultimately came from there

[Arūnas]

but what type of civilisation? bankster and covid one

[Rethel]

No, it was in Egypt and Nubia. On the Nile valley. Nile Valley is the birthplace of all civilization because all humans ultimately came from there

Nope.
Egyptian civilization was from Sumer.
And modern people came from Armenian highlands and Mesopotamia.

[Rethel]

I can be J2. Anatolian Turks mostly J2

In Turkey, the most inteligent muslim country with 90 IQ points, a ~quarter = mostly. Impressive.

[Rethel]

eastern part decreased our iq. Turks are average 100

I said country. In some researches even below 90.
And the 100 is the maximum, in what you have showed, so, it cannot be 100 in average anyway.
You have still problems with numbers.

And btw, it isn't the point. The point is, that you think, that 24% = mostly.

[Dr_Maul]

I said country. In some researches even below 90.
And the 100 is the maximum, in what you have showed, so, it cannot be 100 in average anyway.
You have still problems with numbers.

And btw, it isn't the point. The point is, that you think, that 24% = mostly.

Technically speaking it is one of the highest %
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0886a0ba94cec6344b9d9a3d0a02d9be.webp

Rethel, you are just a triggered R1 who is mad at the superiority of J2. You thought since you easily overtook R2/H peoples in India, and replaced N/Q folks in the east, that we would have it. But no, J2 survived, took your language, and formed the elite. Your heroes of Europe and slavers of R1 aka Romans were J2 hellenes, Ottoman empire J2a (check Karluks, Karakhanids, Karakaba Y-DNA haplos) were the ones who would have completely eliminated R1 from Europe if the J2 Safavid didn't occupy their minds.

[Rethel]

Technically speaking it is one of the highest %

But not the most, as he claimed.


who is mad at the superiority of J2.

:picard2:

You allready made one insane thread about it, so spare us this insanity here.

[Ritz06]

Yay

https://i.imgur.com/VSsWUVO.png

[Dr_Maul]

Yay

https://i.imgur.com/VSsWUVO.png

Welcome to the masterrace homie
Have you done any subclade predictors by any chance?

[kleenex]

G2 has a greater claim to that distinction at least in Europe before the arrival of Steppe.

[Thomasid16]

But it is indeed a very interesting haplogroup. It must be emerged somewhere between Anatolia, Levante, Caucasus and Iran but it is omnipresent in who Eurasia.
Anyway, thank you very much for bringing this information to us. It's really nice of you.

[happycow]

G2 has a greater claim to that distinction at least in Europe before the arrival of Steppe.

Anatolian farmer pride!!! :D

[Tongio]

Come on dr maul, you post a desinformative map entirely of J2a´s conquests, when u are yourself J2b-L283, the most hermit of the hermit lineages.
The only L283 on the map is an ancient gaul who god knows why died and got buried in imperial rome.
J-L283:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116,0.126344,0.139128,0 .053551,0.020026,0.044008,0.001394,0.00047,0.00715 4,0.01943,0.01877,0.000812,0.006444,-0.014123,-0.009496,0.008822,0.004906,-0.001825,-0.002154,0,-0.003752,0.003494,0.002844,-0.005793,0.002048,0.00455

Target: J-L283:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
Distance: 2.0019% / 0.02001871 | R3P
49.2 FRA_Alsace_IA1(Hallstatt)
25.8 ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA
25.0 FRA_Alsace_IA2(Hallstatt)

Target: J-L283:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
Distance: 3.5054% / 0.03505399 | R3P
49.4 TUR_Barcin_N
36.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.4 WHG

[zebruh]

Come on dr maul, you post a desinformative map entirely of J2a´s conquests, when u are yourself J2b-L283, the most hermit of the hermit lineages.
The only L283 on the map is an ancient gaul who god knows why died and got buried in imperial rome.
J-L283:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116,0.126344,0.139128,0 .053551,0.020026,0.044008,0.001394,0.00047,0.00715 4,0.01943,0.01877,0.000812,0.006444,-0.014123,-0.009496,0.008822,0.004906,-0.001825,-0.002154,0,-0.003752,0.003494,0.002844,-0.005793,0.002048,0.00455

Target: J-L283:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
Distance: 2.0019% / 0.02001871 | R3P
49.2FRA_Alsace_IA1(Hallstatt)
25.8ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA
25.0FRA_Alsace_IA2(Hallstatt)

Target: J-L283:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
Distance: 3.5054% / 0.03505399 | R3P
49.4TUR_Barcin_N
36.2Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.4WHG

J-L283 was mostly bottlenecked until about 3000bc 2500bc

The expansion of J-L283 was due to Roman expansion. It mostly concentrated in the balkans and italalian peninsula and islands as the heaviest J-L283 origin was adriatic. Southern italians were J-L283 when illiyrians crossed into southern italy.
Some proto illyrians split and became nuraghe.

The oldest J-L283 was found in croatia.
A disproportionate number of pre z597 ancient sample lineages were found in sardinia

https://www.yfull.com/tree/j-l283/
Search for word age and you will see the majority, almost all ancient samples found so far are from sardinia, croatia or Italy.

Theres also ancient J-L283 from corsica but there wasnt enough good quality data to show which J-L283 sublineage it is part of.

https://phylogeographer.com/insights-from-corsican-and-provence-j2b-l283-strs-from-king-and-di-cristofaro/

Corsica was linked with Etruscan in ancient times.

Its also possible that some J-L283 lineages were from nobility which is probably why there was such a low rate of J-L283 as they would mostly mingle with other nobility for hundreds of years.

Here is one lineage noted for it

https://phylogeographer.com/vpb-307-late-avar-elite-j2b-l283yp91yp181-dating-to-9th-century-found-in-keszthely-cemetery/

[Tongio]

The expansion of J-L283 was due to Roman expansion. It mostly concentrated in the balkans and italalian peninsula and islands as the heaviest J-L283 origin was adriatic.


Not solely, the romans never been to Poland , Russia or scandinavia, for example.The indo europeans were the ones who spread L283 in europe , via tumulus culture and derivates aka Bell beackers , hallstatt



Some J-L283 of illiyrian origin crossed into southern italy.
Some tumulus culture splits mygrated to sardinia and became nuraghe.

The oldest J-L283 was found in panonian Serbia , mokrin.

A disproportionate number of dead end early split clades were found in sardinia


Corrected. You had writen much wrong stuff.



Theres also ancient J-L283 from corsica but there wasnt enough good quality data to show which J-L283 sublineage it is part of.

https://phylogeographer.com/insights-from-corsican-and-provence-j2b-l283-strs-from-king-and-di-cristofaro/

Corsica was linked with Etruscan in ancient times.

Its also possible that some J-L283 lineages were from nobility which is probably why there was such a low rate of J-L283 as they would mostly mingle with other nobility for hundreds of years.

Here is one lineage noted for it

https://phylogeographer.com/vpb-307-late-avar-elite-j2b-l283yp91yp181-dating-to-9th-century-found-in-keszthely-cemetery/

Ok man i dont know If i understand how your coment relates to my inicial comment in matter of context , cool that you are excited about our haplogroup but i know enough about my lineage dont need you typing made up ideas of yours.
Here is Flor veseli's map so you can get tô know better:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?
mid=1luwBVUlmGoqbj7yzO2tyKKIJlvh7mtQX&ll=49.09683070529567%2C29.492615836047676&z=4

Only the revised and atested ones make up to the map, but u could already see on yfull that the Bell beaker from mokrin is the oldest , hell i told you that some few days ago.

[zebruh]

Not solely, the romans never been to Poland , Russia or scandinavia, for example.The indo europeans were the ones who spread L283 in europe , via tumulus culture and derivates aka Bell beackers , hallstatt

Corrected. You had writen much wrong stuff.

poland isn't J-L283 heavy. Germany has more J-L283 than poland.

Also none of the Ancient J-L283 are from poland or Germany.

Although before arriving to the balkans its possible that they crossed poland. It wasnt a heavier concentration of J-L283 there. Its mostly in the adriatic and italian regions where we have ancient samples from.
Also having a current day polish person of J-L283 doesnt mean it spent most of its time in poland. Its more recent migration





Ok man i dont know If i understand how your coment relates to my inicial comment in matter of context , cool that you are excited about our haplogroup but i know enough about my lineage dont need you typing made up ideas of yours.
Here is Flor veseli's map so you can get tô know better:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1luwBVUlmGoqbj7yzO2tyKKIJlvh7mtQX&ll=49.09683070529567%2C29.492615836047676&z=4

Flor feve
Only the revised and atested ones make up to the map, but u could already see on yfull that the Bell beaker from mokrin is the oldest , hell i told you that some few days ago.

Yes you can see there is only 1 ancient J-L283 in nederlands 1300 CE. Its recent
None in poland.
The viking is about 1000 ad
The one in estonia is 1500ad
Its actually possible they crossed the black sea and landed straight into the balkans first. Which may reflect sea faring capabilties and is why they are concentrated in the adriatic and also have very old samples in sardinia with basal pre z585 J-L283 ancient samples.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220705/16ea8d51f6ca88f3ac5b0ecf8e9a1bf1.jpg

Also we have J-L283 in spain that has been linked to Albanian J-L283

[Tongio]

poland isn't J-L283 heavy. Germany has more J-L283 than poland.

Of course germany have more, tumulus culture core was in southern germany.


Also none of the Ancient J-L283 are from poland or Germany.

Not yet.But the Maros Bell beackers on panonia had their origin from further west , so use your brain a little.


Although before arriving to the balkans its possible that they crossed poland. It wasnt a heavier concentration of J-L283 there. Its mostly in the adriatic and italian regions where we have ancient samples from.
Also having a current day polish person of J-L283 doesnt mean it spent most of its time in poland. Its more recent migration

We have huge diversity in Poland, including basal Yp61, that doesnt look recent at all we also have two non atested L283 goths from eastern Poland .



Yes you can see there is only 1 ancient J-L283 in nederlands 1300 CE. Its recent
None in poland.
The viking is about 1000 ad
The one in estonia is 1500ad

Yes , they are all of Roman origin, the west slav from GERMANY (not netherlands), the viking and the estonian.


Its actually possible they crossed the black sea and landed straight into the balkans first. Which may reflect sea faring capabilties and is why they are concentrated in the adriatic and also have very old samples in sardinia with basal pre z585 J-L283

There is not a single BASAL Z585 in sardinia.Why do you talk such wrong stuff like u are spreading facts?


Also we have J-L283 in spain that has been linked to Albanian J-L283
Ok so what there is like one z638 spaniard ? Im of portuguese origin, no albanian on my specific branch.

[zebruh]

Of course germany have more, tumulus culture core was in southern germany.

Not yet.But the Maros Bell beackers on panonia had their origin from further west , so use your brain a little.

We have huge diversity in Poland, including basal Yp61, that doesnt look recent at all we also have two non atested L283 goths from eastern Poland .

Yes , they are all of Roman origin, the west slav from GERMANY (not netherlands), the viking and the estonian.

There is not a single BASAL Z585 in sardinia.Why do you talk such wrong stuff like u are spreading facts?

Ok so what there is like one z638 spaniard ? Im of portuguese origin, no albanian on my specific branch.

We have basal new worlders. I am a basal new worlder.. doesnt mean J-Z600 was in the americas in 5400 years before present. There is no ancient samples there.
Same with poland.

Romans invaded germania. We know that so they had their way with germanic woman and some of their children would be J-L283.
And germans migrated to poland also and back and forth.

There is z585 ancient sardinian samples and -z585

J-Y45181 is z585 with age
They are other post z585 kits from sardinia without a age listed. Probably modern sardinian people

And we have much more basal ones
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220705/4dd0372547e4df94e365100a7a6a5c41.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220705/2b7816586f9af6f82793e628c602844f.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220705/c62bf9f7a2aaf6f0cbfa240f158d7fc6.jpg


Again talking with no ancient evidence to support your opinion.
The fact is there is no ancient J-L283 in germany or poland.
No albanian connection. Not yet or at least no balkan or central medditernean connection.
We are west balkan adriatic central medditernean lineages that spread out.
The other j2 are related to greeks and other founders of civilization.

[Tongio]

We have basal new worlders. I am a basal new worlder.. doesnt mean J-Z600 was in the americas in 5400 years before present. There is no ancient samples there.
Same with poland.

Romans invaded germania. We know that so they had their way with germanic woman and some of their children would be J-L283.
And germans migrated to poland also and back and forth.

There is z585 ancient sardinian samples and -z585

J-Y45181 is z585 with age
They are other post z585 kits from sardinia without a age listed. Probably modern sardinian people

And we have much more basal ones
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220705/4dd0372547e4df94e365100a7a6a5c41.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220705/2b7816586f9af6f82793e628c602844f.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220705/c62bf9f7a2aaf6f0cbfa240f158d7fc6.jpg


Again talking with no ancient evidence to support your opinion.
The fact is there is no ancient J-L283 in germany or poland.
No albanian connection. Not yet or at least no balkan or central medditernean connection.
We are west balkan adriatic central medditernean lineages that spread out.
The other j2 are related to greeks and other founders of civilization.

Ok , big hug to u i have better things to do.

[zebruh]

Ok , big hug to u i have better things to do.Lol [emoji38] ok maynes.

[Etelfrido]

Why is G always forgotten in haplo wars?

[Kess]

Why is G always forgotten in haplo wars?

Cybele and Katarzyna always remember them :)