Why do so many Bulgarians on this page consider themselves ethnically slavic?

[Florin2000]

Bulgarians are literally closer to Greeks than Poles genetically and are also less genetically slavic than us.

Also for example, a half south italian and half north german is half med half germanic. On other hand, average Bulgarian "slav" is more med than slavic genetically.

[Ion Basescul]

Why wouldn't they? No Slavic group is purely ethnically Slavic. All are mixed.

[Vožd]

You ask why are they ethnically Slavic, while talking about genetics. Bulgarians speak Slavic language, have Slavic names and surnames, have a lot of Slavic traditions etc. so they are ethnically Slavic.

[Florin2000]

Why wouldn't they? No Slavic group is purely ethnically Slavic. All are mixed.
a lot of Czechians consider themselves germanic or germanic-slavic. You never see bulgarians claiming anything other than slavic, it's weird.

[Florin2000]

You ask why are they ethnically Slavic, while talking about genetics. Bulgarians speak Slavic language, have Slavic names and surnames, have a lot of Slavic traditions etc. so they are ethnically Slavic.

So nigerians and black americans are anglos because they speak english? And senegalese are french? And all the 3rd generation africans living in France are french?? Mutts are french, english too?? Ahahha. Ethnicity=Genetics, and you damn well know that my fellow balkanite

[Abriekman]

It is all about language, but many Bulgarians, who know genetics identify themselves as Mediterraneans, because non-Slavic part is quite southern. If there were not Bulgarian samples on genetic calculators they would be modelled as 50% Sicilian/Cypriot/Jewish + 50% Polish/Ukrainian in mixed mode results.

[Rethel]

Why do so many Bulgarians on this page consider themselves ethnically slavic?

Becasue in huge majority they are Slavs and slavicized since forgotten times people.

[Ion Basescul]

a lot of Czechians consider themselves germanic or germanic-slavic. You never see bulgarians claiming anything other than slavic, it's weird.

I heard Thracian and Thraco-Slavic irl

[Vožd]

So nigerians and black americans are anglos because they speak english? And senegalese are french? And all the 3rd generation africans living in France are french?? Mutts are french, english too?? Ahahha. Ethnicity=Genetics, and you damn well know that my fellow balkanite

But Bulgarians are half Slavic genetically, or at least over 1/3.

[pelikarski]

You never see bulgarians claiming anything other than slavic, it's weird.

Are you stupid?

[Florin2000]

But Bulgarians are half Slavic genetically, or at least over 1/3.

Distance to: Bulgaria_average
2.92474856 59.00% Italian_Sicily + 41.00% Polish

[Dušan]

Distance to: Bulgaria_average
2.92474856 59.00% Italian_Sicily + 41.00% Polish

They are on average almost half Slavic by autosomal genetics.

Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 0.0477% / 0.04774783

50.9 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
47.4 Slavic
1.5 Germanic
0.2 Turkic

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?344966-Most-to-least-slavic-populations-of-the-Balkans&p=7163652&viewfull=1#post7163652

Half Slavic by genetics + Slavic language = yes, they are Slavic

[Dušan]

double post

[Scandal]

First off, people in real life don't care that much about dna. Both Austrians and Prussians were genetically a blend of Germans and Slavs (and Balts in case of Prussians), yet they were considered German people.

So nigerians and black americans are anglos because they speak english? And senegalese are french? And all the 3rd generation africans living in France are french?? Mutts are french, english too?? Ahahha. Ethnicity=Genetics, and you damn well know that my fellow balkanite
The difference is Senegalese have zero french ancestry, Bulgarians have significant slavic contribution to their gene pool. African Americans have White admixture, but they're still Blacks because they are black looking and because they don't identify with their white admixture, unlike Bulgarians who do identify with their slavic ancestors.

[TheMaestro]

They have a slavic core, slavic alphabet and language.
I know a country next to them that use Ancient Greek province identity yet, claim to be Slavic XD

[Dunai]

Bulgarians are literally closer to Greeks than Poles genetically and are also less genetically slavic than us.

Also for example, a half south italian and half north german is half med half germanic. On other hand, average Bulgarian "slav" is more med than slavic genetically.

I hope you are aware how hypocritical your question is when if applied the same genetic criteria you also shouldn't call yourself Romanian, as in a Roman person. Maybe except Modern Italians no Romance people should claim being Latin, if we strictly apply genetic criteria. Modern ethnic identities have little to do with genetics, but they are cultural and based on traditions.

[Varda]

Slavic is a linguistic affiliation.

[Jaromir]

I have quite different experience, what about being Paleo?

[Varda]

I have quite different experience, what about being Paleo?

Most of the Bulgarians consider themselves for Slavic-Thracian mix. Some of them claim only Thracian origin. I never heard from some Bulgarian that they are only Slavic.

[travv]

I have quite different experience, what about being Paleo?


Not a single drop of Slavic blood. Bulgarians are Turks.

[Jana]

Actually Slavic is biggest single admixture in Bulgarian people. Pre-Slavic they have is a mix of different things like Thracian and Greco-Roman, not a unified admixture.
Ofcourse they are Slavic. Next troll thread.

Target: Bulgaria_average
Distance: 1.8461% / 1.84614907

49.3 Early_Slav:Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp
26.9 Thracian:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp
23.8 Byzantine:Greek_Cappadocian

[Jana]

Not a single drop of Slavic blood. Bulgarians are Turks.

Rather stick to your Turd business, Chuvash.

[Altaylı]

Bulgarians can consider themselves as Slavic because genetically they have slavic blood

[Jana]

Not to mention how Bulgaria is one of strongest Slavic countries historically, and culturally important for orthodox Slavs.

Genetically they are half Slav half Med, one of best combinations there are :thumbsup:
btw, northwestern Bulgarian average is more than half Slavic.

Target: Bulgaria_Northwestern
Distance: 1.7505% / 1.75048422

53.4 Early_Slav:Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp
26.2 Thracian:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp
20.4 Byzantine:Greek_Cappadocian

[Linebacker]

I am genetically closest to Slavic population and not similar to Greeks.

[Varda]

Not to mention how Bulgaria is one of strongest Slavic countries historically, and culturally important for orthodox Slavs.

Genetically they are half Slav half Med, one of best combinations there are :thumbsup:
btw, northwestern Bulgarian average is more than half Slavic.

Target: Bulgaria_Northwestern
Distance: 1.7505% / 1.75048422

53.4 Early_Slav:Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp
26.2 Thracian:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp
20.4 Byzantine:Greek_Cappadocian

Can you put for Serbs (central, north & south)? I'm just curious.

[Abriekman]

Target: Bulgaria_average
Distance: 1.8461% / 1.84614907

49.3 Early_Slav:Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp
26.9 Thracian:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp
23.8 Byzantine:Greek_Cappadocian

Similiar to what we get on G25

Target: Bulgarian
Distance: 1.3666% / 0.01366650
46.4 HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2
23.0 BGR_IA
19.8 Greek_Cappadocia
9.0 GRC_Mycenaean
1.8 Greek_Central_Anatolia


46% Slavic
23% Thracian/Ancient Greek
21% Western Asian


On G25 one Bulgarian sample scores 54% Slavic, while other 39%, Slavic % depends on region I think. Unfortunately there are only 5 Bulgarian samples on Global25 and all are from capital

[Glauk]

They have a slavic core, slavic alphabet and language.
I know a country next to them that use Ancient Greek province identity yet, claim to be Slavic XD



Uuuu very nice avatar

[Dušan]

Can you put for Serbs (central, north & south)? I'm just curious.

Regional averages are almost the same.

https://i.imgur.com/rl4CNIu.png

There could be difference on individual level, but in regional sence differences are minimal.

[Rethel]

Bulgarians can consider themselves as Slavic

They do not have to consider themselves as Slavic, because they ARE Slavic.

[vbnetkhio]

Regional averages are almost the same.

https://i.imgur.com/rl4CNIu.png

There could be difference on individual level, but in regional sence differences are minimal.

these are actually made from much more samples:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?342186-Serbian-autosomal-DNA-2

I also made this weighted Montenegrin country average from the South/East and North/west


Montenegrin,24.13,26.54,18.30,9.74,17.15,2.10,0.23 ,0.26,0.68,0.40,0.32,0.07,0.06


I asked Lucas to replace them but his inbox is full. somebody can ask him in the thread if you want.

[Dušan]

these are actually made from much more samples:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?342186-Serbian-autosomal-DNA-2

I also made this weighted Montenegrin country average from the South/East and North/west


Montenegrin,24.13,26.54,18.30,9.74,17.15,2.10,0.23 ,0.26,0.68,0.40,0.32,0.07,0.06


I asked Lucas to replace them but his inbox is full. somebody can ask him in the thread if you want.

Nice. :thumb001:

https://i.imgur.com/78qHIGr.png

[Varda]

Nice. :thumb001:

https://i.imgur.com/78qHIGr.png

Nice, 58% Slavic and 40% paleo-Balkanic on average. :thumb001:

[Lioncourt]

I don't consider myself ethnically Slavic. "Slavic" isn't an ethnic group. It's a linguistic and cultural group and Slavic identity and culture by its greatest part has been modeled in First Bulgarian Empire. First Slavic alphabet was based on Slavic language spoken by Slavs in modern Macedonia and Thrace - belonging to the same group as modern Bulgarian and Macedonian.

[Aldaris]

a lot of Czechians consider themselves germanic or germanic-slavic. You never see bulgarians claiming anything other than slavic, it's weird.

Czechians, that's a nice word. :-) But no. They consider themselves Slavic. Just a different version of Slavic than, say, Russians.

[TheMaestro]

Uuuu very nice avatar

<3

[Archduke]

I do not consider myself ethnically Slavic.

The culture depends on the region, but overall 50% Slavic, 50% Southern European. The language also has huge non-Slavic influence.

I am not really into genetics, but I believe that 50% of the ancestors of modern Bulgarians are not from Slavic meta-ethnicity.

[Abriekman]

I do not consider myself ethnically Slavic.

The culture depends on the region, but overall 50% Slavic, 50% Southern European. The language also has huge non-Slavic influence.

I am not really into genetics, but I believe that 50% of the ancestors of modern Bulgarians are not from Slavic meta-ethnicity.

Bulgarians are 100% Southern Europeans. Spaniards also have big chunk of a Celtic admixture but that doesn't make them partly Northern European. Non-Slavic part is something more southern, than other modern Southern European populations and is very Cypriot-like, which are Western Asian.

[Glauk]

I do not consider myself ethnically Slavic.

The culture depends on the region, but overall 50% Slavic, 50% Southern European. The language also has huge non-Slavic influence.

I am not really into genetics, but I believe that 50% of the ancestors of modern Bulgarians are not from Slavic meta-ethnicity.


yeah i know that bulgarian together with romanian greek albanian and arromanian classify in the Balkan sprachbund and they all have some similarities in grammar and syntax, it’s like slavic vocabulary with paleobalkan grammar

[Florin2000]

Bulgarians can consider themselves as Slavic because genetically they have slavic blood

Half black half white from france is 100% french by that logic, goys.

[Florin2000]

Actually Slavic is biggest single admixture in Bulgarian people. Pre-Slavic they have is a mix of different things like Thracian and Greco-Roman, not a unified admixture.
Ofcourse they are Slavic. Next troll thread.

Target: Bulgaria_average
Distance: 1.8461% / 1.84614907

49.3 Early_Slav:Sunghir6_Russia_Sunghir6.SG_790_ybp
26.9 Thracian:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp
23.8 Byzantine:Greek_Cappadocian

Distance to: Bulgaria_average
2.92474856 59.00% Italian_Sicily + 41.00% Polish

The greek_cappadocian is "eating" their thracian admixture, happens with many other references on k13 and g25.

[Varda]

Half black half white from france is 100% french by that logic, goys.

Half black half white from France is racial mongrel with identity crisis most likely.

Let's say roughly Bulgarians genetically are half Slavs half Vlachs. Both Slavs and Vlachs are white people mixed in the middle age and Bulgarians are descendants of both. You can't compared recent mixtures of different races with ethnicity which is created in the middle age like Bulgarians. Bulgarian language and identity are Slavic since 9th century when Turkic Bulgar language disappeared and Bulgar elite was replaced by Slavic one.

[Varda]

Distance to: Bulgaria_average
2.92474856 59.00% Italian_Sicily + 41.00% Polish

The greek_cappadocian is "eating" their thracian admixture, happens with many other references on k13 and g25.

Non-Slavic dna in Bulgarians is mostly from vulgar Latin speaking Balkan people known as Vlachs.

Vlachs/proto-Vlachs before Slavic migration were not fully descendants from pre-Roman Balkan people like Thracians and Illyrians. They were mix of pre-Roman Balkan people, Roman colonists and various migrants who arrived in Balkan in Roman period from other parts of empire (mostly from Anatolia and Middle East).

[Jana]

Distance to: Bulgaria_average
2.92474856 59.00% Italian_Sicily + 41.00% Polish

The greek_cappadocian is "eating" their thracian admixture, happens with many other references on k13 and g25.

Greek Cappadochian is necessary to measure their Byzantine input. Thracians were not Sicilian like and neither were early Slavs closest to Poles.

Whose sock are you?

I have an idea about that.

[Demis]

Not a single drop of Slavic blood. Bulgarians are Turks.

Nice trolling, Laag.

[Florin2000]

Greek Cappadochian is necessary to measure their Byzantine input. Thracians were not Sicilian like and neither were early Slavs closest to Poles.

Whose sock are you?

I have an idea about that.

This is my only account.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Because "Slavic" isn't an ethnic group you retard.

Slavic is a linguistic group like Germanic, Celtic, Romance etc. It has nothing to do with Ethnicity, Bulgarians are linguistically and culturally Slavic, yet genetically and phenotypically they are closer to Greeks.

[bained]

I don't. I'm passionate anti-slavist. I'm Avitohol junior.

Edit: In fact its Bulgars + Locals (greeks, thracians, romans). No need for slavosapiens.

[TheOldNorth]

they speak slavic, sure they are closers to greeks and romanians genetically, but the slavs made their culture, just like how the spanish don't identify as Basque just because they have less Indo-european then pre-celtic bronze age iberian

[bained]

Besides its Old Bulgarian. Not Church Slavonic, Not Old Slavic, Not Slavic, Not Proto-slavic, Not South-Slavic. O L D B U L G A R I A N

[Crn Volk]

I don't. I'm passionate anti-slavist. I'm Avitohol junior.

Edit: In fact its Bulgars + Locals (greeks, thracians, romans). No need for slavosapiens.

You should stop speaking a Slavic language then.

[Crn Volk]

Besides its Old Bulgarian. Not Church Slavonic, Not Old Slavic, Not Slavic, Not Proto-slavic, Not South-Slavic. O L D B U L G A R I A N

No it's not. Old Bulgarian was a Turkic language.

[Florin2000]

You should stop speaking a Slavic language then.

Well if you're truly macedonian then you should stop speaking the invader language too.

[Crn Volk]

Well if you're truly macedonian then you should stop speaking the invader language too.

From the Prespa Agreement

https://english.republika.mk/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Capture-640x405.png

Macedonians are both Slavic and Greek and the Macedonian language is Slavic.

[Rethel]

Besides its Old Bulgarian. Not Church Slavonic, Not Old Slavic, Not Slavic, Not Proto-slavic, Not South-Slavic. O L D B U L G A R I A N

Nope. Slavic. Yet general Slavic in Sołuń dialect with Moravian influences.

[pelikarski]

Half black half white from france is 100% french by that logic, goys.


Bulgarians are 100% Southern Europeans. Spaniards also have big chunk of a Celtic admixture but that doesn't make them partly Northern European. Non-Slavic part is something more southern, than other modern Southern European populations and is very Cypriot-like, which are Western Asian.

Why you are on every thread regarding the Bulgarians, always highlighting the exotic components?
Bulgarians are not 100% Southern Europeans, neither Bulgaria is half Eastern Euro/half Asian, WEIRDO

Just some vlogs from Sofia, I think even a dumbass like you can get an idea that the country and the people don't give 100% Southern vibe


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smkCeoapZVY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQxY8V4W5OE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5kXe_LPQR0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOWwKvZO3I

[pelikarski]

Bulgarians are 100% Southern Europeans. Spaniards also have big chunk of a Celtic admixture but that doesn't make them partly Northern European. Non-Slavic part is something more southern, than other modern Southern European populations and is very Cypriot-like, which are Western Asian.
One more thing, I am not into genetics, but I believe a lot of suspicious mongrels with foreign ancestry are lumped into the Bulgarian average, making these exotic components higher than they should be

[Roy]

They speak Slavic language (duh). Most people outside of anthrofora do not give a shit or have no idea about who they are closest to genetically, and things like that.

[Abriekman]

Just some vlogs from Sofia, I think even a dumbass like you can get an idea that the country and the people don't give 100% Southern vibe


I wrote about genetics and you linked vlog videos from Bulgaria, for what? Why are you comparing phenotypes to genetics or vibe in a country to genetics?

Also where do I highlight exotic components? I posted average ancient genetic results

[Dr_Maul]

One more thing, I am not into genetics, but I believe a lot of suspicious mongrels with foreign ancestry are lumped into the Bulgarian average, making these exotic components higher than they should be

The average is only 5 samples, with 1 of them being quite southern (shifted towards Albania and Greek Macedonia) so I wouldn't be surprised if it is not completely accurate. Out of the 5, they show from 50% OG Slavic admixture (Sunghir MA) to 34%. So yeah, it definitely needs updating I would say

[Abriekman]

The average is only 5 samples, with 1 of them being quite southern (shifted towards Albania and Greek Macedonia) so I wouldn't be surprised if it is not completely accurate. Out of the 5, they show from 50% OG Slavic admixture (Sunghir MA) to 34%. So yeah, it definitely needs updating I would say

On Vahaduo Eurogenes K13 there are more samples, there are even regional averages and show the same results as samples from Global25

[vbnetkhio]

One more thing, I am not into genetics, but I believe a lot of suspicious mongrels with foreign ancestry are lumped into the Bulgarian average, making these exotic components higher than they should be

there's nothing exotic about the Bulgarian averages, don't spread misinformation.
Even the South Bulgarian samples are clearly more northern than Thracian/Rumelian Greeks.

[pelikarski]

there's nothing exotic about the Bulgarian averages, don't spread misinformation.
Even the South Bulgarian samples are clearly more northern than Thracian/Rumelian Greeks.

And that should come as surprise?

Have you taken into consideration how multicultural Bulgaria is, present and past?
Isn’t it logical for people (who know they have) with foreign ancestry to take DNA tests? They should be more curios?
Can you prove all samples belong to ethnic Bulgarians? I remember you posted academical samples form Plovdiv, clustering with Cretans

And your Serb correctly?

[Voidspawn]

One more thing, I am not into genetics, but I believe a lot of suspicious mongrels with foreign ancestry are lumped into the Bulgarian average, making these exotic components higher than they should be

I think the same since according to those statistics Bulgarians are slightly more southern than South Romanians, while in reality the latter are slightly darker in groups, but still, not too different.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Bulgarians are literally closer to Greeks than Poles genetically and are also less genetically slavic than us.

Also for example, a half south italian and half north german is half med half germanic. On other hand, average Bulgarian "slav" is more med than slavic genetically.

Because you can have affiliation with other big group, the romance contries and Bulgarians not exactly, they are somewhat alone.

I saw a picture in Instagram about civilization, Latin America and Eastern Europe/Greece/Russia were considered not western by the colors map, but Phillipines, South Africa and Papua New Guine were.... because they are somewhat isolated in their own thing when Latin America, Eastern Europe are big groups.

[vbnetkhio]

And that should come as surprise?
yes it should, Northern Greeks are clearly closely related to Bulgarians and Macedonians. So if they are different, it means the samples are as pure as they get, i.e the Bulgarian samples have a minimal amount of recent north Greek ancestry.



Have you taken into consideration how multicultural Bulgaria is, present and past?
Yes. These samples don't have any non-European admixture, so there is no ancestry from Gypsies, Turks, or Sephardic Jews.
They could only have admixtures from neighbouring closely related peoples like Greeks, Serbs, Romanians.
But the Bulgarian averages are clearly separated from those, so it's not signifcant.



Isn’t it logical for people (who know they have) with foreign ancestry to take DNA tests? They should be more curios?
Makes sense, but it's not really like that.
Let's be honest, The vast majority of Balkanians have all grandparents from rural areas, and purely from their ethnicity. The Balkans weren't a very cosmopolitan area.
99% of the Balkanian DNA results I've seen are like this.


Can you prove all samples belong to ethnic Bulgarians? I remember you posted academical samples form Plovdiv, clustering with Cretans

I plotted those Plovdiv Bulgarians on the K15 PCA long ago. They were very typical Bulgarians.
More recently I posted the Greeks from Southeast Bulgaria. They also aren't like Cretans ofc.



And your Serb correctly?
yes.

[Jana]

Bulgarian averages on K13 are very numerous and very representative. I advise trolls to stop spreading misinformation or take DNA test themselves.

[pelikarski]

Bulgarian averages on K13 are very numerous and very representative. I advise trolls to stop spreading misinformation or take DNA test themselves.

I am not a troll, but it is astonishing how a Centraal European like you is so familiar with deep Balkan matters

[Ion Basescul]

One more thing, I am not into genetics, but I believe a lot of suspicious mongrels with foreign ancestry are lumped into the Bulgarian average, making these exotic components higher than they should be

It is legit. I made it with the help of vbn, Pagane, Kaspias and it is based on 137 samples. I have seen the photos of around 40 people.
They just look like regular Bulgarians of all shapes and phenos, just like in those videos and what I saw IRL.
People wrongly assume that darker or lighter traits, Southern/Northern or Eastern/Western phenos in the same ethnicity are supposed to lead to different autosomal results.

[Jana]

I am not a troll, but it is astonishing how a Centraal European like you is so familiar with deep Balkan matters

You are and that's why ad hominem. I actually followed thread about Bulgarian genetics and saw many results of Bulgarian members here on TA, guess what, they all show more or less the same.
Bulgarians plot as expected and there is nothing exotic about their genetic make up, unless you expect you are transplant Ukrainians ofcourse.

Ask your friend Linebacker to post his gedmatch results and you'll see how he will surely get average Bulgarian results. Or even better, take the test yourself.

[Jana]

Why is Ayetooney (Serb member inactive for months bar on Discord) thumbing down Vbn post about Bulgarian genetics? Extremely odd, to put it lightly.

[Leto]

Why is Ayetooney (Serb member inactive for months bar on Discord) thumbing down Vbn post about Bulgarian genetics? Extremely odd, to put it lightly.
That son of a gun thumbed me down too. Don't know what's wrong with him. If you left the forum, don't remind people of your existence in a negative way.

[Varda]

Why is Ayetooney (Serb member inactive for months bar on Discord) thumbing down Vbn post about Bulgarian genetics? Extremely odd, to put it lightly.

Are you sure?

[Leto]

I am not a troll, but it is astonishing how a Centraal European like you is so familiar with deep Balkan matters
She is from a South Slavic country.

[викторслава]

because they do not want to admit that most of them are basically just ottoman turks

[NSXD60]

Old Bulgarian = Old Church Slavonic

[Rethel]

Old Bulgarian = Old Church Slavonic

Nope.

[bained]

Nope.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Old-Bulgarian-language

Imagine using google.

[Rethel]

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Old-Bulgarian-language

Imagine using google.

Still nope. Use it wiser and further.

[Jana]

Are you sure?

Yeah!

[Varda]

Yeah!

It's weird, he is not active on forum for the long time.

[Altaylı]

Old Bulgarian = Old Church Slavonic

Proto Bulgars were clearly Turkic probably They spoke Turkic
But modern Bulgars and modern bulgar language are nothing do with proto bulgars of course.

[ixulescu]

Still nope. Use it wiser and further.

You seem to be confusing Bulgar with Bulgarian. English makes this distinction, let's use it.

Old Bulgarian is indeed Old Church Slavonic. Old Bulgarian remained in use in the Romanian Church for 200 years after Bulgarians stopped using it in daily life. Yes, Old Bulgarian is a Slavic language and should not be confused with the Turkic language of the Bulgars.

[Rethel]

You seem to be confusing Bulgar with Bulgarian.

Nope.
You seem to confusing me with Altayli.

[ixulescu]

Nope.
You seem to confusing me with Altayli.

alright then, can you explain your point more clearly?

[Rethel]

alright then, can you explain your point more clearly?

Old Church Slavic was created by Cyril and Methodius, two Greeks, who spoke Slavic in local dialect of Sołuń, which is not even a part of Bulgaria. At that time, there was no distinct slavic languages - Poles with Russians were speaking normaly, and for linguists at the time it was one folk, one language, one land until XII century (as you can read in XIIth century chronicles). Even in XVII century there are descriptions which consider Polish, Russian, Czech and Croat almost as one and the same, and Ruthenian as Polish written in cyrillic). The more in IXth century there was one common slavic language, with thousands of local village variations - very tiny variations.

It should be also remembered, that this language was made not for Bulgaria, or any other south slavic land, even neither for Macedonia (where he originated) but for MORAVIA. Cyryl, Methodius and their disciples, when they came to Moravia and where presenting slavic texts, they were fully understood by Moravians, and this language was practicaly sculpted there. Then they moved to East Slavs and were fully understood by them also, and this was the place, where Church Slavonic achieved the best form and had the best years, being finally standarized and in such form spreaded to the south.

Btw, when you compare Bulgarian and Old Church Slavonic, then OCS is much more Old Polish, than Old Bulgarian. It was just a common slavic tounge at the time, Bulgarian didn't exist as separate language, so, saying, that it is Old Bulgarian is just a wishfull thinking. The dialect on which was based, do not exists at all today, and OCS has no living continuation, as it was a liturgical language by the most part of existance.

[Stotnik369]

But Bulgarians are half Slavic genetically, or at least over 1/3.

But about half of them look like turks/tatars/gypos.

[Seya]

I didn't know Stears was back.

[Varda]

..

[ixulescu]

I didn't know Stears was back.

yep :D that's another joint account.

[Varda]

But about half of them look like turks/tatars/gypos.

People from video look pretty unique Bulgarian.


https://youtu.be/u6DsONwFVbc

[Stotnik369]

People from video look pretty unique Bulgarian.


https://youtu.be/u6DsONwFVbc

Turko-balkanski križanci...

[Seya]

:laugh:

[Varda]

Turko-balkanski križanci...

Most of them can't fit outside of Bulgaria, not even in North Macedonia.

Women on 3:05 - 3:17 on the video look very Bulgarian. I have seen similar types only among Gorani outside of Bulgaria.

[Varda]

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Southeast Slavic languages (Bulgarian & Macedonian) have some connections with Slovenian and kaykavian which doesn't exist in shtokavian. Pronunciation, den instead of dan, točno instead of tačno, čakam/čakala instead of čekam/čekala etc.

This Bulgarian rapper has "Slovenian" linguistic vibe to me.


https://youtu.be/gPuEHdzssOo

[Stotnik369]

Southeast Slavic languages (Bulgarian & Macedonian) have some connections with Slovenian and kaykavian which doesn't exist in shtokavian. Pronunciation, den instead of dan, točno instead of tačno, čakam/čakala instead of čekam/čekala etc.

This Bulgarian rapper has "Slovenian" linguistic vibe to me.


https://youtu.be/gPuEHdzssOo

Only superficial.
They don't have cases, they lack infinitive, they build the future tense like ''će bude'' , their vocabulary is full of oriental/turkish words and finally, they use cyrillic moonspeak.

[Arūnas]

really?, not Paleo Atlantids?

[Ayetooey]

But about half of them look like turks/tatars/gypos.

lel

[pelikarski]

Only superficial.
They don't have cases, they lack infinitive, they build the future tense like ''će bude'' , their vocabulary is full of oriental/turkish words and finally, they use cyrillic moonspeak.

Fuck you piece of shit
On topic, you must be feeling pretty superior trolling on us, turko-gypsies, orthodoxy Bulgars. After all you are coming from Croatia, don't you?
Off topic, why did you show your ugly Balkan side/mentality 3 days ago, against your Catholic brothers, armed with stickes, axes and knifes, typical Balkan style
Also ignore the Turko-Gypsy lyrics coming from the heart of Europe, it must be a coincidence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX966_8TAmU

[Jana]

Fuck you piece of shit
On topic, you must be feeling pretty superior trolling on us, turko-gypsies, orthodoxy Bulgars. After all you are coming from Croatia, don't you?
Off topic, why did you show your ugly Balkan side/mentality 3 days ago, against your Catholic brothers, armed with stickes, axes and knifes, typical Balkan style
Also ignore the Turko-Gypsy lyrics coming from the heart of Europe, it must be a coincidence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX966_8TAmU

What are you talking about? Polish hooligans came and trashed and burned entire one neighbourhood of Zagreb.
Of course they defended their city from drunken and aggresive Polaks, in ski masks and with baseball bats.

Who were all deported from Croatia afterwards.

Keep quiet as you have no idea what are you talking about. These Polacks are notorious trash.

[Varda]

What are you talking about? Polish hooligans came and trashed and burned entire one neighbourhood of Zagreb.
Of course they defended their city from drunken and aggresive Polaks, in ski masks and with baseball bats.

Who were all deported from Croatia afterwards.

Keep quiet as you have no idea what are you talking about. These Polacks are notorious trash.

You wrote posts to Skotnik (Stears) which are on so called Croatian, is not it? You have his password and sometimes you wrote instead of him on Croatian, because he know only Magyar and English to some degree. You help him not to be discovered by the Loki.

[Jana]

You wrote posts to Skotnik (Stears) which are on so called Croatian, is not it? You have his password and sometimes you wrote instead of him on Croatian, because he know only Magyar and English to some degree. You help him not to be discovered by the Loki.

Nope. But you did activate your old Pribislav account to thumb him down. Very interesting...

[Varda]

Nope. But you did activate your old Pribislav account to thumb him down. Very interesting...

I have nothing against that my old account be deleted. Do not deviate from the topic - sock of Stears which you protect!

[Varda]

Racism, anti-Orthodox attitudes, glorification of western (Catholic and Protestant) civilization etc. by Skotnik is Stears behavior. Even his age match with Stears.

[rothaer]

Old Church Slavic was created by Cyril and Methodius, two Greeks, who spoke Slavic in local dialect of Sołuń, which is not even a part of Bulgaria. At that time, there was no distinct slavic languages - Poles with Russians were speaking normaly, and for linguists at the time it was one folk, one language, one land until XII century (as you can read in XIIth century chronicles). Even in XVII century there are descriptions which consider Polish, Russian, Czech and Croat almost as one and the same, and Ruthenian as Polish written in cyrillic). The more in IXth century there was one common slavic language, with thousands of local village variations - very tiny variations.

It should be also remembered, that this language was made not for Bulgaria, or any other south slavic land, even neither for Macedonia (where he originated) but for MORAVIA. Cyryl, Methodius and their disciples, when they came to Moravia and where presenting slavic texts, they were fully understood by Moravians, and this language was practicaly sculpted there. Then they moved to East Slavs and were fully understood by them also, and this was the place, where Church Slavonic achieved the best form and had the best years, being finally standarized and in such form spreaded to the south.

Btw, when you compare Bulgarian and Old Church Slavonic, then OCS is much more Old Polish, than Old Bulgarian. It was just a common slavic tounge at the time, Bulgarian didn't exist as separate language, so, saying, that it is Old Bulgarian is just a wishfull thinking. The dialect on which was based, do not exists at all today, and OCS has no living continuation, as it was a liturgical language by the most part of existance.

I can not judge intra-Slavic details. But if OCS was based on Slavic dialects from the Thessaloniki surroundings, it could be expected to be most close to that living Slavic language that is geographically closest. At least in the past. So a linguistic proximity to Old Bulgarian seems to me more likely than a proximity to Old Kashubian f. i. Because of this and also because of that the Slavs in the Greek part of Makedonia for quite a while were called Bulgarians (by themself, but also by some others) it seems legitimate to here use the label Old Bulgarian.

At the end of the day it's a question of convention. If all agree on to call it banana, then banana is applicale.

[Psycho]

I feel Thracian-Turkic mix myself by DNA, but Slavic by language and partly culture.
I am new member btw