French results: Half Vendéen and half Lorrain

[Flashball]

Father is Vendéen, mother is Lorrain


Vendée:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Vend%C3%A9e-Position.svg/langfr-280px-Vend%C3%A9e-Position.svg.png

Lorraine:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Carte_Lorraine_2018.png/280px-Carte_Lorraine_2018.png

Paternal haplogroup : I-PF4088 (I2-M26)
Maternal haplogroup: U5a1b


His Living DNA results (because he had passed a test on it).
The French part is well detected, with some approximations / errors.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGZrS03WQAILxRg?format=jpg&name=medium

Global 25
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGZimb1WQAYD43R?format=jpg&name=900x900

Comparaison with other native French (Franco-breton and centralfrenchbretonmixed = same person)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGZgDkTX0AQMd7X?format=jpg&name=large

PCA
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGZftW5WQAQSRIN?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGZhf7fXwAIP0WI?format=jpg&name=medium

Gedmatch results (low SNPs: 150.000)

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.93
2 West_Med 21.37
3 Baltic 19
4 East_Med 11.86
5 West_Asian 4.26
6 Amerindian 1.82
7 Northeast_African 1.31
8 Red_Sea 1.13
9 Sub-Saharan 0.74
10 Siberian 0.57

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 5.63
2 Spanish_Cataluna 8.39
3 Portuguese 8.47
4 Spanish_Galicia 8.72
5 West_German 9.1
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9.32
7 South_Dutch 9.53
8 Spanish_Extremadura 10.37
9 Spanish_Valencia 10.46
10 Spanish_Murcia 10.47
11 Spanish_Cantabria 10.85
12 Southwest_French 11.14
13 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 11.41
14 North_Italian 11.94
15 Spanish_Andalucia 12.26
16 Austrian 12.41
17 Spanish_Aragon 13.68
18 East_German 14.32
19 Serbian 14.35
20 Southeast_English 14.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 43.1% Hungarian @ 2.13
2 62% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 38% Hungarian @ 2.17
3 64.7% Spanish_Cataluna + 35.3% Hungarian @ 2.23
4 70.1% Spanish_Murcia + 29.9% South_Polish @ 2.27
5 52.3% Spanish_Aragon + 47.7% Hungarian @ 2.28
6 59.1% Spanish_Murcia + 40.9% Hungarian @ 2.31
7 72.7% Spanish_Murcia + 27.3% Polish @ 2.33
8 58.1% Spanish_Murcia + 41.9% East_German @ 2.33
9 59.2% Spanish_Valencia + 40.8% Hungarian @ 2.35
10 54.4% Spanish_Murcia + 45.6% Austrian @ 2.41
11 75% Spanish_Murcia + 25% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.45
12 63.5% Portuguese + 36.5% East_German @ 2.49
13 79% Spanish_Cataluna + 21% Southwest_Russian @ 2.5
14 71.5% Spanish_Murcia + 28.5% Ukrainian @ 2.52
15 74.7% Spanish_Murcia + 25.3% Southwest_Russian @ 2.53
16 60.1% Portuguese + 39.9% Austrian @ 2.54
17 79.3% Spanish_Cataluna + 20.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.55
18 75% Spanish_Murcia + 25% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.55
19 77.7% Spanish_Murcia + 22.3% Lithuanian @ 2.57
20 81.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 18.2% Erzya @ 2.62


# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 29.43
2 Atlantic 19.66
3 West_Med 17.05
4 East_Med 9.91
5 Eastern_Euro 8.99
6 Baltic 8.13
7 West_Asian 2.14
8 Northeast_African 1.77
9 Amerindian 1.32
10 Red_Sea 1.13
11 Sub-Saharan 0.41
12 Siberian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 7.61
2 West_German 8.47
3 South_Dutch 10.01
4 Spanish_Galicia 10.03
5 Portuguese 11.37
6 Spanish_Cataluna 12.28
7 Southwest_English 13.12
8 East_German 13.52
9 Spanish_Extremadura 13.56
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 13.61
11 Spanish_Murcia 14
12 Serbian 14.04
13 Southeast_English 14.4
14 North_Italian 14.51
15 Hungarian 14.52
16 North_German 15.01
17 Austrian 15.38
18 North_Dutch 15.67
19 Danish 15.73
20 Spanish_Cantabria 15.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.2% West_German + 16.8% Sardinian @ 4.26
2 56.3% West_German + 43.7% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.24
3 60.5% West_German + 39.5% Portuguese @ 5.39
4 84.9% West_German + 15.1% Moroccan @ 5.43
5 85.1% West_German + 14.9% Mozabite_Berber @ 5.54
6 67.7% West_German + 32.3% North_Italian @ 5.56
7 70% Norwegian + 30% Sardinian @ 5.57
8 84.7% West_German + 15.3% Algerian @ 5.62
9 68.9% Swedish + 31.1% Sardinian @ 5.73
10 85.5% West_German + 14.5% Tunisian @ 5.8
11 66.7% West_German + 33.3% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.86
12 67.6% Spanish_Galicia + 32.4% North_Swedish @ 5.86
13 68.2% West_Norwegian + 31.8% Sardinian @ 5.89
14 53.6% North_Italian + 46.4% Norwegian @ 5.89
15 55.9% North_Italian + 44.1% West_Norwegian @ 5.89
16 74.8% West_German + 25.2% Tuscan @ 6.04
17 68.1% West_German + 31.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 6.07
18 65.8% Spanish_Galicia + 34.2% Norwegian @ 6.14
19 84.7% West_German + 15.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.15
20 63.9% Portuguese + 36.1% North_Swedish @ 6.15

[gixajo]

The Davidski G25 standard ancient calculator is suposedly done to run without penalization. Why did you use it with 0.25X?

[Flashball]

The Davidski G25 standard ancient calculator is suposedly done to run without penalization. Why did you use it with 0.25X?

Because: statistical noise due to the low rate of raw data >> 100 / 150,000 SNPs on his autosomal living dna raw data versus 450 / 500,000 SNPs for 23andme v5

So, his living dna autosomal file is only 100 / 150,000 SNPs, we do not have very precise results with this type of file.

Hence the x25 mode, because I was advised to do so to remove statistical noise due to lower quality (more than 23andme v5).

It is enough to ask David, himself said it: when the samples are of inferior quality, one can quite use the x25 mode to eliminate some noise.

You can see this with some western European hunter-gatherers or other that get "dinka" or sub-Saharan / Levantine / Maghrebian micro percentage because of the low quality.

[gixajo]

Because: statistical noise due to the low rate of raw data >> 100 / 150,000 SNPs on his autosomal living dna raw data versus 450 / 500,000 SNPs for 23andme v5

So, his living dna autosomal file is only 100 / 150,000 SNPs, we do not have very precise results with this type of file.

Hence the x25 mode, because I was advised to do so to remove statistical noise due to lower quality (more than 23andme v5).

It is enough to ask David, himself said it: when the samples are of inferior quality, one can quite use the x25 mode to eliminate some noise.

You can see this with some western European hunter-gatherers or other that get "dinka" or sub-Saharan / Levantine / Maghrebian micro percentage because of the low quality.

The statistical noise works for everybody, not just for French people.

Most of people that purchased their G25 coordinates have been tested with commercial companies that don´t give more SPN´s than those you consider of "low quality".

It is difficult to get an idea of ​​something if each one uses the penalty criteria that he likes or suits him on each occasion.

Anyway, on the other hand, I am glad that positive steps are being taken by commercial companies to better determine French ancestry, I hope that those who have these origins begin to obtain results that are in line with reality, and that in the case of Central Europeans , they stop be "modeled" with components from neighboring countries.

[Xosé Guzmán]

cool

[Boudin]

Could you share Eurogenes K13 coordinates?

[gixajo]

Could you share Eurogenes K13 coordinates?

He already did it in the first post.

[Flashball]

Could you share Eurogenes K13 coordinates?


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.93
2 West_Med 21.37
3 Baltic 19.00
4 East_Med 11.86
5 West_Asian 4.26
6 Amerindian 1.82
7 Northeast_African 1.31
8 Red_Sea 1.13


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 French @ 6.199880
2 Spanish_Cataluna @ 9.308091
3 Portuguese @ 9.414017
4 Spanish_Galicia @ 9.632748
5 West_German @ 10.195069
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 10.379790
7 South_Dutch @ 10.733359
8 Spanish_Extremadura @ 11.561394
9 Spanish_Valencia @ 11.695619
10 Spanish_Murcia @ 11.752420
11 Spanish_Cantabria @ 12.122032
12 Southwest_French @ 12.434422
13 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 12.741589
14 North_Italian @ 13.548812
15 Spanish_Andalucia @ 13.683589
16 Austrian @ 13.886836
17 Spanish_Aragon @ 15.326806
18 East_German @ 16.115309
19 Serbian @ 16.276779
20 Hungarian @ 16.815668

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +50% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.283495


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +25% Spanish_Aragon +25% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.283495


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Croatian + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia + West_German @ 2.022775
2 Croatian + South_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.062416
3 Croatian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Murcia + West_German @ 2.090717
4 Croatian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia + West_German @ 2.099114
5 Bulgarian + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Valencia + Swedish @ 2.107609
6 Croatian + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Murcia + West_German @ 2.109481
7 Croatian + South_Dutch + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.115820
8 Croatian + South_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.119359
9 Croatian + French + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.121380
10 Croatian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Valencia + West_German @ 2.124868
11 Croatian + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + West_German @ 2.131789
12 Croatian + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Valencia + West_German @ 2.151950
13 French + South_Polish + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Murcia @ 2.170058
14 Moldavian + South_Dutch + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.171612
15 Bulgarian + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Murcia + Swedish @ 2.186054
16 Portuguese + Serbian + Southwest_French + West_German @ 2.195375
17 Croatian + South_Dutch + Spanish_Andalucia + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.204882
18 Bulgarian + Southwest_French + Spanish_Murcia + Swedish @ 2.205718
19 Bulgarian + Danish + Portuguese + Southwest_French @ 2.207145
20 Croatian + French + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Valencia @ 2.209813


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 37.93
2 West_Med 21.37
3 Baltic 19
4 East_Med 11.86
5 West_Asian 4.26
6 Amerindian 1.82
7 Northeast_African 1.31
8 Red_Sea 1.13
9 Sub-Saharan 0.74
10 Siberian 0.57

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 5.63
2 Spanish_Cataluna 8.39
3 Portuguese 8.47
4 Spanish_Galicia 8.72
5 West_German 9.1
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9.32
7 South_Dutch 9.53
8 Spanish_Extremadura 10.37
9 Spanish_Valencia 10.46
10 Spanish_Murcia 10.47
11 Spanish_Cantabria 10.85
12 Southwest_French 11.14
13 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 11.41
14 North_Italian 11.94
15 Spanish_Andalucia 12.26
16 Austrian 12.41
17 Spanish_Aragon 13.68
18 East_German 14.32
19 Serbian 14.35
20 Southeast_English 14.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 43.1% Hungarian @ 2.13
2 62% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 38% Hungarian @ 2.17
3 64.7% Spanish_Cataluna + 35.3% Hungarian @ 2.23
4 70.1% Spanish_Murcia + 29.9% South_Polish @ 2.27
5 52.3% Spanish_Aragon + 47.7% Hungarian @ 2.28
6 59.1% Spanish_Murcia + 40.9% Hungarian @ 2.31
7 72.7% Spanish_Murcia + 27.3% Polish @ 2.33
8 58.1% Spanish_Murcia + 41.9% East_German @ 2.33
9 59.2% Spanish_Valencia + 40.8% Hungarian @ 2.35
10 54.4% Spanish_Murcia + 45.6% Austrian @ 2.41
11 75% Spanish_Murcia + 25% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.45
12 63.5% Portuguese + 36.5% East_German @ 2.49
13 79% Spanish_Cataluna + 21% Southwest_Russian @ 2.5
14 71.5% Spanish_Murcia + 28.5% Ukrainian @ 2.52
15 74.7% Spanish_Murcia + 25.3% Southwest_Russian @ 2.53
16 60.1% Portuguese + 39.9% Austrian @ 2.54
17 79.3% Spanish_Cataluna + 20.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.55
18 75% Spanish_Murcia + 25% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.55
19 77.7% Spanish_Murcia + 22.3% Lithuanian @ 2.57
20 81.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 18.2% Erzya @ 2.62

[J.S.]

Could you share Eurogenes K13 coordinates?

I share mine with you also. Thus, you can compare with yours and other French ones.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?343740-French-results

Actually, 23andMe found with accuracy all my French regional origins.

[Boudin]

Thank you!

My distance to Flashball: 6.5

To J.S.: 11.7

I guess that's because of your southern element?


Amerindian 1.32

Shouldn't you have none? That's more than mine!

I have another question. How low does your Spanish go when you drag the slider all the way to the right on 23andMe? Mine goes down to about 6%.

[J.S.]

Thank you!

My distance to Flashball: 6.5

To J.S.: 11.7


I guess that's because of your southern element?




I am very South-Western shifted and plot very close to the Basque on every vahaduo G25 PCA. Actually, i have Spanish and Basque distant genetic cousins with MyHeritage, Franco-Cantabrian region all the way. On my mother's side, i have one great-grandmother from Bearn and on my father's side, two great-grandparents from Alpes-de-Haute-Provence (South-East).