XenophobicPrussian
01-06-2022, 03:13 PM
Although all of these could be already mixed even by the early Iron Age, they're atleast heavily pre_Germanic northern continental European.
Distance to: NLD_EIA:I12905
0.04951540 Irish
0.05058177 Orcadian
0.05079426 Norwegian
0.05094370 Icelandic
0.05150699 Scottish
0.05181548 Shetlandic
0.05340829 Welsh
0.05364271 Dutch
0.05430008 Danish
0.05432222 Swedish
0.05563231 English
0.05684917 English_Cornwall
0.05708578 French_Brittany
0.05831130 Celtic:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8206
0.06258689 German
0.06615077 Belgian
0.06648003 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.06787403 French_Seine-Maritime
0.06816789 German_East
0.07112642 French_Nord
0.07137411 Czech
0.07264562 Austrian
0.07310959 French_Paris
0.07395579 French_Alsace
0.07492425 Swiss_German
This one is a bit more southern shifted and is from Zeeland in the southern Netherlands, the only sample south of the Rhine, perhaps more proper Celtic admixture.
Distance to: NLD_MIA_LIA:I12906
0.03594213 English_Cornwall
0.03596884 English
0.03617401 German
0.03692334 Welsh
0.03694721 French_Brittany
0.03752728 Dutch
0.03815083 Orcadian
0.03817854 Belgian
0.03855361 Scottish
0.03906522 French_Nord
0.03942763 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03952373 French_Alsace
0.04100812 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04171493 Danish
0.04224615 Irish
0.04241219 Icelandic
0.04244419 Austrian
0.04252386 Swiss_German
0.04376854 German_East
0.04435163 French_Paris
0.04539737 Shetlandic
0.04550977 Swedish
0.04712853 Norwegian
0.04738813 French_Occitanie
0.04819024 Hungarian
More Germanic admixed sample:
Distance to: NLD_LIA:I17750
0.02883726 Norwegian
0.03195723 Dutch
0.03228004 Shetlandic
0.03229084 Swedish
0.03595486 Scottish
0.03609624 Danish
0.03613681 Irish
0.03625835 Icelandic
0.03737593 Welsh
0.03754588 Orcadian
0.03830005 English
Good modern Dutch/Belgian model:
Hallstatt_Celt:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699,0.127482,0.15 2329,0.050534,0.005814,0.047701,0.00251,0.004465,0 .011307,0.02127,0.026606,-0.002598,0.006594,-0.009366,-0.004954,0.007736,-0.009149,-0.017602,0.003421,0.005908,-0.004627,0.000998,0.002349,-0.004067,-0.005543,-0.006347
Hallstatt_Celt:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11701,0.126344,0.14 5221,0.039598,0.000646,0.038469,0.000279,0.00188,0 .006923,0.006954,0.018041,-0.003085,0.005845,-0.014717,0.004129,0.002579,-0.009679,-0.012386,0.007221,0.013575,-0.002876,0.000998,-0.004451,0.004067,-0.00253,-0.006586
Hallstatt_Celt:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11708,0.134311,0.14 6236,0.049026,0.008075,0.043085,0.007809,0.001175,-0.000231,0.017589,0.021868,0.002273,0.007194,-0.007284,-0.008533,-0.005836,0.004508,0.019688,0.006461,0.004399,0.001 626,0.003369,0.001978,-0.010599,0.004579,-0.000359
Hallstatt_Celt:HUN_EIA_Hallstatt:I18227,0.133173,0 .146236,0.056191,0.016473,0.049548,-0.006972,0.00188,0.001385,0.01084,0.015855,-0.000325,0.009292,-0.007284,0.004404,-0.004479,0.005701,0.005998,0.00266,0.011187,-0.005378,-0.007237,0.000247,-0.000493,-0.008676,-0.001078
Pre_Germanic_Northern:NLD_MIA_LIA:I12906,0.120652, 0.13405,0.054682,0.041021,0.037545,0.014223,0.0105 75,0.005538,0.003068,0.010934,0.000487,0.016935,-0.003122,-0.004542,0.010722,-0.004906,-0.020079,0.003927,-0.000628,0.011506,0.01148,0.012489,-0.004807,-0.001446,0.006706
Pre_Germanic_Northern:NLD_EIA:I12905,0.124067,0.12 6941,0.059585,0.067184,0.048009,0.014223,0.01081,0 .010615,-0.003681,-0.010205,-0.007307,-0.001499,-0.023042,-0.021469,0.041666,0.013259,-0.001173,-0.00076,-0.008296,-0.010005,0.00836,0.005688,0.003574,-0.008314,0.011137
Republic_Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:RMPR851,0.13317 3,0.156392,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
Republic_Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021,0.12 6344,0.152329,0.034318,-0.014535,0.054164,-0.01506,-0.001175,0.005307,0.019634,0.041914,0.005196,0.010 79,-0.011001,-0.005643,0.004479,-0.016441,-0.010822,-0.001394,0.006662,-0.01113,0.007736,0.007172,-0.007641,-0.00241,0.008981
Republic_Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA:RMPR1016,0.12748 2,0.147252,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
Imperial_Roman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL25,0.105855,0. 151314,-0.029415,-0.052972,0.001846,-0.015897,-0.00282,-0.004615,0.001227,0.016583,0.006496,0.007643,-0.010258,0.004266,-0.004343,-0.004243,0.009518,-0.006081,0.011187,0.002126,-0.004492,0.009398,0.001479,-0.002048,0
Imperial_Roman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL30,0.113823,0. 150298,-0.026398,-0.056848,0.008001,-0.015897,0.005875,0.001846,0.006136,0.015308,0.010 068,0.000599,-0.004757,0.003303,-0.0019,0.000133,0.005085,0.002787,0.004525,-0.001251,-0.001248,-0.008903,0.009983,-0.00253,-0.003233
Imperial_Roman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL38,0.101303,0. 144205,-0.018856,-0.055556,0.007386,-0.016455,-0.00846,-0.008538,-0.004704,0.014397,0.004709,0.009591,-0.00996,-0.005643,-0.014251,0.000928,0.010561,0,-0.002263,0.001251,0.001123,0.006306,-0.002095,0.010001,0.008023
Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081 458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0. 004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Germanic: DEU_MA:AED_106,0.125205,0.133034,0.064865,0.067184 ,0.03416,0.020917,0.00517,0.008769,0.002863,-0.009476,-0.006171,0.002548,-0.012042,-0.006193,0.019544,0.008486,0.015255,-0.006968,-0.015964,0.005503,-0.003244,0.012736,-0.017378,0.005422,-0.000239
Germanic: DEU_MA:AED_249,0.125205,0.126941,0.071653,0.04845, 0.043085,0.023706,0.020211,0.001385,0.003477,-0.01057,-0.011854,-0.002398,-0.009663,0.003303,0.019679,-0.002784,-0.026598,-0.001774,0.004148,0.00988,0.01697,-0.006554,0.000123,0.007953,0.010658
Germanic: DEU_MA:ALH_1,0.118376,0.129988,0.06939,0.051034,0. 048009,0.023148,0.014101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.0046 99,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395
Target: Dutch
Distance: 1.6929% / 0.01692940
72.6 Germanic
20.0 Hallstatt_Celt
7.2 Pre_Germanic_Northern
0.2 Imperial_Roman
Target: Belgian
Distance: 1.2409% / 0.01240887
38.8 Hallstatt_Celt
34.2 Germanic
15.6 Pre_Germanic_Northern
6.6 Imperial_Roman
4.8 Republic_Roman
Interestingly, the higher Pre_Germanic_Northern coincides with higher red hair rates in Belgium over the Netherlands, and considering Belgium has a much higher Roman/Celt wog % that makes the correlation even stronger.
On another interesting but off-topic note, Pictish in Scotland may've also actually not been a Celtic language, like was first suggested by earlier linguists(only more recently have people started calling it a Celtic language). England's Iron Age is full of double digit continental Alpine Celt admixture, while in Scotland there are entire samples of groups completely absent of it and are just Scotland_MBA+something continental(but not Hallstatt/La Tene).
Distance to: NLD_EIA:I12905
0.04951540 Irish
0.05058177 Orcadian
0.05079426 Norwegian
0.05094370 Icelandic
0.05150699 Scottish
0.05181548 Shetlandic
0.05340829 Welsh
0.05364271 Dutch
0.05430008 Danish
0.05432222 Swedish
0.05563231 English
0.05684917 English_Cornwall
0.05708578 French_Brittany
0.05831130 Celtic:Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8206
0.06258689 German
0.06615077 Belgian
0.06648003 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.06787403 French_Seine-Maritime
0.06816789 German_East
0.07112642 French_Nord
0.07137411 Czech
0.07264562 Austrian
0.07310959 French_Paris
0.07395579 French_Alsace
0.07492425 Swiss_German
This one is a bit more southern shifted and is from Zeeland in the southern Netherlands, the only sample south of the Rhine, perhaps more proper Celtic admixture.
Distance to: NLD_MIA_LIA:I12906
0.03594213 English_Cornwall
0.03596884 English
0.03617401 German
0.03692334 Welsh
0.03694721 French_Brittany
0.03752728 Dutch
0.03815083 Orcadian
0.03817854 Belgian
0.03855361 Scottish
0.03906522 French_Nord
0.03942763 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03952373 French_Alsace
0.04100812 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04171493 Danish
0.04224615 Irish
0.04241219 Icelandic
0.04244419 Austrian
0.04252386 Swiss_German
0.04376854 German_East
0.04435163 French_Paris
0.04539737 Shetlandic
0.04550977 Swedish
0.04712853 Norwegian
0.04738813 French_Occitanie
0.04819024 Hungarian
More Germanic admixed sample:
Distance to: NLD_LIA:I17750
0.02883726 Norwegian
0.03195723 Dutch
0.03228004 Shetlandic
0.03229084 Swedish
0.03595486 Scottish
0.03609624 Danish
0.03613681 Irish
0.03625835 Icelandic
0.03737593 Welsh
0.03754588 Orcadian
0.03830005 English
Good modern Dutch/Belgian model:
Hallstatt_Celt:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11699,0.127482,0.15 2329,0.050534,0.005814,0.047701,0.00251,0.004465,0 .011307,0.02127,0.026606,-0.002598,0.006594,-0.009366,-0.004954,0.007736,-0.009149,-0.017602,0.003421,0.005908,-0.004627,0.000998,0.002349,-0.004067,-0.005543,-0.006347
Hallstatt_Celt:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11701,0.126344,0.14 5221,0.039598,0.000646,0.038469,0.000279,0.00188,0 .006923,0.006954,0.018041,-0.003085,0.005845,-0.014717,0.004129,0.002579,-0.009679,-0.012386,0.007221,0.013575,-0.002876,0.000998,-0.004451,0.004067,-0.00253,-0.006586
Hallstatt_Celt:AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11708,0.134311,0.14 6236,0.049026,0.008075,0.043085,0.007809,0.001175,-0.000231,0.017589,0.021868,0.002273,0.007194,-0.007284,-0.008533,-0.005836,0.004508,0.019688,0.006461,0.004399,0.001 626,0.003369,0.001978,-0.010599,0.004579,-0.000359
Hallstatt_Celt:HUN_EIA_Hallstatt:I18227,0.133173,0 .146236,0.056191,0.016473,0.049548,-0.006972,0.00188,0.001385,0.01084,0.015855,-0.000325,0.009292,-0.007284,0.004404,-0.004479,0.005701,0.005998,0.00266,0.011187,-0.005378,-0.007237,0.000247,-0.000493,-0.008676,-0.001078
Pre_Germanic_Northern:NLD_MIA_LIA:I12906,0.120652, 0.13405,0.054682,0.041021,0.037545,0.014223,0.0105 75,0.005538,0.003068,0.010934,0.000487,0.016935,-0.003122,-0.004542,0.010722,-0.004906,-0.020079,0.003927,-0.000628,0.011506,0.01148,0.012489,-0.004807,-0.001446,0.006706
Pre_Germanic_Northern:NLD_EIA:I12905,0.124067,0.12 6941,0.059585,0.067184,0.048009,0.014223,0.01081,0 .010615,-0.003681,-0.010205,-0.007307,-0.001499,-0.023042,-0.021469,0.041666,0.013259,-0.001173,-0.00076,-0.008296,-0.010005,0.00836,0.005688,0.003574,-0.008314,0.011137
Republic_Roman:ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:RMPR851,0.13317 3,0.156392,0.0445,-0.00969,0.044008,-0.004462,0.00846,0.003,0.024543,0.044101,-0.002598,0.012289,-0.022448,-0.009634,-0.005429,-0.005834,0.00352,0.003167,0.006034,-0.007379,-0.008859,0.005317,-0.000863,-0.006989,-0.001796
Republic_Roman:ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA:RMPR1021,0.12 6344,0.152329,0.034318,-0.014535,0.054164,-0.01506,-0.001175,0.005307,0.019634,0.041914,0.005196,0.010 79,-0.011001,-0.005643,0.004479,-0.016441,-0.010822,-0.001394,0.006662,-0.01113,0.007736,0.007172,-0.007641,-0.00241,0.008981
Republic_Roman:ITA_Rome_Latini_IA:RMPR1016,0.12748 2,0.147252,0.033187,-0.016796,0.044008,-0.008646,-0.00376,-0.004846,0.026588,0.052666,-0.002761,0.015137,-0.036719,-0.008533,-0.009093,0.013392,0.016037,-0.004687,0.003897,0.004127,0.00262,-0.00272,0.001972,-0.007712,-0.008742
Imperial_Roman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL25,0.105855,0. 151314,-0.029415,-0.052972,0.001846,-0.015897,-0.00282,-0.004615,0.001227,0.016583,0.006496,0.007643,-0.010258,0.004266,-0.004343,-0.004243,0.009518,-0.006081,0.011187,0.002126,-0.004492,0.009398,0.001479,-0.002048,0
Imperial_Roman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL30,0.113823,0. 150298,-0.026398,-0.056848,0.008001,-0.015897,0.005875,0.001846,0.006136,0.015308,0.010 068,0.000599,-0.004757,0.003303,-0.0019,0.000133,0.005085,0.002787,0.004525,-0.001251,-0.001248,-0.008903,0.009983,-0.00253,-0.003233
Imperial_Roman:ITA_Collegno_MA_o1:CL38,0.101303,0. 144205,-0.018856,-0.055556,0.007386,-0.016455,-0.00846,-0.008538,-0.004704,0.014397,0.004709,0.009591,-0.00996,-0.005643,-0.014251,0.000928,0.010561,0,-0.002263,0.001251,0.001123,0.006306,-0.002095,0.010001,0.008023
Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081 458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0. 004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Germanic: DEU_MA:AED_106,0.125205,0.133034,0.064865,0.067184 ,0.03416,0.020917,0.00517,0.008769,0.002863,-0.009476,-0.006171,0.002548,-0.012042,-0.006193,0.019544,0.008486,0.015255,-0.006968,-0.015964,0.005503,-0.003244,0.012736,-0.017378,0.005422,-0.000239
Germanic: DEU_MA:AED_249,0.125205,0.126941,0.071653,0.04845, 0.043085,0.023706,0.020211,0.001385,0.003477,-0.01057,-0.011854,-0.002398,-0.009663,0.003303,0.019679,-0.002784,-0.026598,-0.001774,0.004148,0.00988,0.01697,-0.006554,0.000123,0.007953,0.010658
Germanic: DEU_MA:ALH_1,0.118376,0.129988,0.06939,0.051034,0. 048009,0.023148,0.014101,-0.000692,0.006136,-0.001822,-0.002436,0.003447,-0.008474,-0.012248,0.012486,0.008088,-0.005215,0.004307,0.00817,0.009755,0.009858,0.0046 99,0.001725,0.002771,-0.002395
Target: Dutch
Distance: 1.6929% / 0.01692940
72.6 Germanic
20.0 Hallstatt_Celt
7.2 Pre_Germanic_Northern
0.2 Imperial_Roman
Target: Belgian
Distance: 1.2409% / 0.01240887
38.8 Hallstatt_Celt
34.2 Germanic
15.6 Pre_Germanic_Northern
6.6 Imperial_Roman
4.8 Republic_Roman
Interestingly, the higher Pre_Germanic_Northern coincides with higher red hair rates in Belgium over the Netherlands, and considering Belgium has a much higher Roman/Celt wog % that makes the correlation even stronger.
On another interesting but off-topic note, Pictish in Scotland may've also actually not been a Celtic language, like was first suggested by earlier linguists(only more recently have people started calling it a Celtic language). England's Iron Age is full of double digit continental Alpine Celt admixture, while in Scotland there are entire samples of groups completely absent of it and are just Scotland_MBA+something continental(but not Hallstatt/La Tene).