Very interesting Russian results. How could this be possible?

[Sora]

Leningrad

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/r5yy8u/very_finnic_shifted_results_from_an_ethnic/

Perm Krai

https://i.redd.it/9noq7uxlzq381.png

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/r9iugf/russian_result_from_perm_krai_looks_quite/

Various Northern Russians

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/qzmr8p/northern_russians_closest_populations_using_g25/

Seems some of them are not Slavic admixed at all, so (partially)Finnic heritage is true? Interesting...

[Sora]

I already knew some Russians are Finnic-Uralic admixed but never expected this level :confused:

[Russki]

I always said that Saint Petersburg is more like Estonians than anything



https://sun9-8.userapi.com/impg/USzln3I2cj4TJjBA9gpz-WBHvABGws6aQhNNqQ/WhZZh_haNRU.jpg?size=706x814&quality=95&sign=afda269e61fdd3d6a627a98c5f6808e3&type=album

[Lemminkäinen]

No one has genetic data from Leningrad.

[Lemminkäinen]

I always said that Saint Petersburg is more like Estonians than anything



https://sun9-8.userapi.com/impg/USzln3I2cj4TJjBA9gpz-WBHvABGws6aQhNNqQ/WhZZh_haNRU.jpg?size=706x814&quality=95&sign=afda269e61fdd3d6a627a98c5f6808e3&type=album

We have Russian-like people and I am not surpised.

[Russki]

We have Russian-like people and I am not surpised.


Finnish samples are artificially more Western-shifted than Estonian samples despite higher Siberian admixture

North_Atlantic component peaking in the Irish pulls them towards those people

As a result you have chaotic Leningrad proximy:

1. Estonian (2% Siberian)
2. East Finnish (7% Siberian)
3. Finnish (5% Siberian)



Or it's not artificial and Estonians are really more Eastern than Finns :rolleyes:

[Leto]

Don't be so stupid, ethnic Russians range from Karelian and Estonian to Polish and everything in between (which will be much more common than those extremes). In 2022 that shouldn't come as a surprise at all.


No one has genetic data from Leningrad.
I've seen people from Saint Petersburg, not sure if they were exclusively from there 'cause it's a big-ass city and the former capital of the Empire. But in general, they are Northern Russians, although not as Northern as those samples from rural localities in Arkhangelsk oblast which approach Komi people. You can check out user "Mary" from the TA K13 spreadsheet, she'd be pretty typical.

[Lemminkäinen]

Don't be so stupid, ethnic Russians range from Karelian and Estonian to Polish and everything in between (which will be much more common than those extremes). In 2022 that shouldn't come as a surprise at all.


I've seen people from Saint Petersburg, not sure if they were exclusively from there 'cause it's a big-ass city and the former capital of the Empire. But in general, they are Northern Russians, although not as Northern as those samples from rural localities in Arkhangelsk oblast which approach Komi people. You can check out user "Mary" from the TA K13 spreadsheet, she'd be pretty typical.

I meant Leningrad. Where do young people still find such an old name? Mary differs from Finns due to her low North Atlantic and higher East Med.

[Aila]

I am not Russian – BUT Karelian (+Ingrian+Vepsian)+Saami and maybe a little bit with Komi and Pomor in the mix as well.
Eurogenes 13 Vahaduo
New: Aila,29.89,48.79,3.25,5.52,0.00,1.45,0.00,0.00,8.4 4,1.79,0.00,0.00,0.81
Old:Aila(Finn),29.95,48.79,3.3,5.25,0.02,1.55,0,0, 8.46 ,1.87,0,0,0.81 Apricity model

Distance to: Aila
4.70308409 Russian_Arkhangelsk-Vologda
4.78449579 Finnish_East
6.35650061 Finnish
6.39000000 Russian_Kostroma
7.57545378 Russian_Kargopol
7.91585750 Estonian
8.46264143 Russian
9.33406128 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
9.75027692 Russian_Pskov
9.80344837 Mordvin
10.09493437 Belarusian
10.45379357 Lithuanian
10.49909044 Russian_Smolensk
10.71707050 Russian_Ryazan

Got quite a few - now distant DNA cousins living in St. Petersburg.
(There is also a Turkic connection I am still wondering where it came from).

[Lemminkäinen]

Finnish samples are artificially more Western-shifted than Estonian samples despite higher Siberian admixture

North_Atlantic component peaking in the Irish pulls them towards those people

As a result you have chaotic Leningrad proximy:

1. Estonian (2% Siberian)
2. East Finnish (7% Siberian)
3. Finnish (5% Siberian)



Or it's not artificial and Estonians are really more Eastern than Finns :rolleyes:

Hard to say, because the residual ancestry is not available. I don't even try to pretend that I know the truth. Probably the higher Siberian in Finns makes some tricks in graphs. As well as Baltic pull in Estonians.

[Leto]

I meant Leningrad. Where do young people still find such an old name? Mary differs from Finns due to her low North Atlantic and higher East Med.
Leningrad oblast? Well, what I wrote about St. Pete applies to the oblast too, basically. Many would score like people from Vologda, Pskov, Novgorod and Tver. It depends on the person and family. I really don't feel like posting anything, let alone something that has "Russia" in it. Gedmatch is largely out of fashion anyway and I don't collect G25 coordinates.

[Lemminkäinen]

Leningrad oblast? Well, what I wrote about St. Pete applies to the oblast too, basically. Many would score like people from Vologda, Pskov, Novgorod and Tver. It depends on the person and family. I really don't feel like posting anything, let alone something that has "Russia" in it. Gedmatch is largely out of fashion anyway and I don't collect G25 coordinates.

Alright, it is still Leningrad Oblast. I thought that all pointing out to Lenin and Stalin was removed.

[Leto]

Alright, it is still Leningrad Oblast. I thought that all pointing out to Lenin and Stalin was removed.
Yes, just like Sverdlovsk oblast remains unchanged, although the city is Yekaterinburg. It's stupidity that many still support. But Stalin's name was removed from place names shortly after he died.

[Russki]

Alright, it is still Leningrad Oblast. I thought that all pointing out to Lenin and Stalin was removed.

Stalin yes

Lenin no

[Lemminkäinen]

Yes, just like Sverdlovsk oblast remains unchanged, although the city is Yekaterinburg. It's stupidity that many still support. But Stalin's name was removed from place names shortly after he died.

Hrutsev was not a big Stalin's fanboy. I remember an old story after Stalin's death. Hrutsev was keeping a press conference for Russian news. Someone asked from him: " Where were you during Stalin's regime?". Hrutsev looked over people and asked: "Who made this question?".

[Nanushka]

I am not so surprised as those regions originally belonged to Finnics


I am not Russian – BUT Karelian (+Ingrian+Vepsian)+Saami and maybe a little bit with Komi and Pomor in the mix as well.
Eurogenes 13 Vahaduo
New: Aila,29.89,48.79,3.25,5.52,0.00,1.45,0.00,0.00,8.4 4,1.79,0.00,0.00,0.81
Old:Aila(Finn),29.95,48.79,3.3,5.25,0.02,1.55,0,0, 8.46 ,1.87,0,0,0.81 Apricity model

Distance to: Aila
4.70308409 Russian_Arkhangelsk-Vologda
4.78449579 Finnish_East
6.35650061 Finnish
6.39000000 Russian_Kostroma
7.57545378 Russian_Kargopol
7.91585750 Estonian
8.46264143 Russian
9.33406128 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
9.75027692 Russian_Pskov
9.80344837 Mordvin
10.09493437 Belarusian
10.45379357 Lithuanian
10.49909044 Russian_Smolensk
10.71707050 Russian_Ryazan

Got quite a few - now distant DNA cousins living in St. Petersburg.
(There is also a Turkic connection I am still wondering where it came from).

your results also seem compatible to the region but I wonder about Turkic connection, which region does that distant cousin come from?

[Aila]

I am not so surprised as those regions originally belonged to Finnics

Yes exactly - and part of the relatives wanted to stay on their ancestral lands, plus having become Orthodox they trusted the “brothers in faith” so, what is left of them are now living the Russian dream.


your results also seem compatible to the region but I wonder about Turkic connection, which region does that distant cousin come from?

It is more about this:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?195528-How-T%FCrkic-are-you-Post-your-Turkic-K11-results&p=4072178&viewfull=1#post4072178
If I remember correctly, the Finnish average was something like 2%.

[Italicus]

Does anybody know which oblasts, republics and krais in Russia where it is common for people to be 9 to 10 percent Siberian?

[Russki]

Does anybody know which oblasts, republics and krais in Russia where it is common for people to be 9 to 10 percent Siberian?

Northern part of Arkhangelsk region, Kirov and Perm regions

[Italicus]

Northern part of Arkhangelsk region, Kirov and Perm regions

Does the same go for oblasts to the south and east of Kirov, such as Udmurtia, Chuvashia, Bashkortostan, Sverdlovsk, the Komi Republic, Mari El, Samara, Chelyabinsk, Orenburg and Ulyanovsk? (Sorry for the very specific questions, just think it's pretty interesting. Just wanna know where my fellow mutts are lol)

[Russki]

Does the same go for oblasts to the south and east of Kirov, such as Udmurtia, Chuvashia, Bashkortostan, Sverdlovsk, the Komi Republic, Mari El, Samara, Chelyabinsk, Orenburg and Ulyanovsk? (Sorry for the very specific questions, just think it's pretty interesting)


VUR republics is an area of recent settlement from Central Russian regions, but if they are mixed with native VUR people - then yes (depends on each person)


Ekaterinburg (Sverdlovsk) is an area of recent immigration, so it depends, one may have 0-2% Siberian admixture and another much higher
Chelyabinsk similar


Samara, Orenburg, Ulyanovsk and further into Kazakhstan (Northern Kazakhstan) - they're from Central/Southern Russia for the most part

[Italicus]

VUR republics is an area of recent settlement from Central Russian regions, but if they are mixed with native VUR people - then yes (depends on each person)


Ekaterinburg (Sverdlovsk) is an area of recent immigration, so it depends, one may have 0-2% Siberian admixture and another much higher
Chelyabinsk similar


Samara, Orenburg, Ulyanovsk and further into Kazakhstan (Northern Kazakhstan) - they're from Central/Southern Russia for the most part

Thank you!

[Sora]

Karelian-Ingrian-Saami mix looks very close to (North)Russians:

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comments/v5jt7h/finnic_person_native_to_northern_russia_i_found/

https://i.redd.it/jvv6o2ycmu391.jpg

I've also read Northern parts of Russia has the highest percentages of light hair & light eyes compared to other parts. Is this true? :confused: