Modeling East Europeans as mixture between Vepsians and Turks (G25)

[AndreAndre]

I found that Eastern Europeans can roughly be modeled as a mixture of Vepsians and Deliorman Turks/Crimean tatars, with rather good fits
Here are some such models:

Target: Russian_Yaroslavl
Distance: 0.0365% / 0.03646104
82.9 Vepsian
17.1 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Russian_Voronez
Distance: 0.0483% / 0.04827403
69.7 Vepsian
30.3 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Russian_Tver
Distance: 0.0367% / 0.03669223
78.0 Vepsian
22.0 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Russian_Smolensk
Distance: 0.0545% / 0.05452603
71.8 Vepsian
28.2 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Russian_Ryazan
Distance: 0.0368% / 0.03681375
70.7 Vepsian
29.3 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Russian_Pskov
Distance: 0.0513% / 0.05125539
83.6 Vepsian
16.4 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Russian_Pinezhsky
Distance: 0.0162% / 0.01623180
95.3 Vepsian
4.7 Tatar_Crimean_steppe


Target: Russian_Pinega
Distance: 0.0136% / 0.01361089
96.4 Vepsian
3.6 Tatar_Crimean_steppe


Target: Russian_Orel
Distance: 0.0444% / 0.04443429
69.0 Vepsian
31.0 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Russian_Leshukonsky
Distance: 0.0281% / 0.02814885
84.8 Vepsian
15.2 Tatar_Crimean_steppe



Target: Russian_Kursk
Distance: 0.0433% / 0.04327840
72.0 Vepsian
28.0 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Russian_Krasnoborsky
Distance: 0.0082% / 0.00816680
89.6 Vepsian
10.4 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Russian_Kostroma
Distance: 0.0169% / 0.01693055
84.4 Vepsian
15.6 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Russian_Kaluga
Distance: 0.0471% / 0.04707067
76.1 Vepsian
23.9 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Russian_Belgorod
Distance: 0.0494% / 0.04936119
65.6 Vepsian
34.4 Turkish_Deliorman

Target: Moksha
Distance: 0.0167% / 0.01668513
74.9 Vepsian
25.1 Turkish_Deliorman

(One of the closest fits thus far ^)

Target: Erzya
Distance: 0.0166% / 0.01662956
79.8 Vepsian
20.2 Turkish_Deliorman
(once again, a very close fit^)

Myself
Target: Andrei_scaled
Distance: 0.0378% / 0.03783220
79.8 Vepsian
20.2 Turkish_Deliorman
(identical to the erzya, but with worse fit)

[AndreAndre]

I tried modeling Ukrainians the same way, the fits are quite shit. I think a western source of ancestry (Like German) is needed to model them more precisely
Here are Ukrainians without german (bad fits)
Target: Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
Distance: 0.0538% / 0.05382876
65.9 Vepsian
34.1 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
Distance: 0.0449% / 0.04485072
53.9 Turkish_Deliorman
46.1 Vepsian


Target: Ukrainian_Sumy
Distance: 0.0514% / 0.05143445
65.2 Vepsian
34.8 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Ukrainian_Rivne
Distance: 0.0515% / 0.05150792
67.2 Vepsian
32.8 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Ukrainian_Dnipro
Distance: 0.0430% / 0.04301084
67.4 Vepsian
32.6 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Ukrainian_Chernihiv
Distance: 0.0518% / 0.05180205
67.7 Vepsian
32.3 Turkish_Deliorman

Here are ukrainians with German as added source:
Target: Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
Distance: 0.0394% / 0.03938639
55.4 German
44.6 Vepsian


Target: Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
Distance: 0.0278% / 0.02777601
53.9 German
25.7 Vepsian
20.4 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Ukrainian_Sumy
Distance: 0.0392% / 0.03916884
51.0 German
46.0 Vepsian
3.0 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Ukrainian_Rivne
Distance: 0.0366% / 0.03658912
53.9 German
46.1 Vepsian


Target: Ukrainian_Lviv
Distance: 0.0341% / 0.03412161
58.0 German
30.9 Vepsian
11.1 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Ukrainian_Dnipro
Distance: 0.0320% / 0.03200789
50.8 Vepsian
44.0 German
5.2 Turkish_Deliorman


Target: Ukrainian_Chernihiv
Distance: 0.0395% / 0.03946040
51.4 German
48.3 Vepsian
0.3 Turkish_Deliorman

Here, the fits become comparable to what we saw above with the Russians and Mordovians

[FinalFlash]

Most of these fits aren't what I would consider good fits at all. Get them closer to 2 if you can.

[AndreAndre]

Most of these fits aren't what I would consider good fits at all. Get them closer to 2 if you can.

Got some of them under 2
113046

[Roy]

Those fits are not very good.