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Eurafricanid
08-06-2023, 07:05 PM
IMPORTANT!! vvv

I updated this ancestral component calculator with the newest coordinates from the official dataset, I recommend running the "HG" and another time with the Steppe add on.


Main Components ("HG")


East_African_HG,-0.517895,0.040621,-0.003017,-0.000646,-0.002154,-0.009761,0.057813,-0.049383,0.089172,-0.084375,-0.013803,-0.014987,-0.036571,-0.001651,0.02348,-0.030628,0.022817,0.041047,0.005279,-0.008629,0.00262,0.001855,-0.006039,0.001205,0.002515
West_African_HG,-0.6075308,0.0553465,0.0153678,0.0260015,-0.002385,0.00251,0.1367175,-0.1052838,0.0087948,-0.001777,0.000812,-0.0306102,-0.023674,-0.000757,0.0041735,-0.0019558,0.008475,0.0187182,-0.0059392,-0.0026888,-0.0018405,-0.0009275,-0.0029272,-0.0018375,-0.0045202
Iberomaurusian,-0.1876375,0.084035,-0.022533,-0.0867255,0.028482,-0.0569496,-0.0709728,0.0190954,0.1558268,0.0016583,0.0228074,-0.0316667,0.0754528,-0.0488769,0.070242,-0.0342742,0.0066692,-0.0644466,-0.1435474,0.0401378,-0.0392558,-0.123665,0.073462,-0.0123028,0.0213452
Natufian,0.020488,0.131003,-0.039221,-0.141475,0.027082,-0.0753,-0.017861,-0.025845,0.102671,-0.004556,0.030042,-0.020682,0.069573,-0.000963,0.020222,0.028772,-0.012647,0.008868,-0.021117,0.04252,-0.004243,-0.002597,-0.011955,-0.006386,0.011735
Iran_N,0.0430252,0.0674312,-0.153488,0.0055556,-0.1239616,0.0243752,0.015464,0.000277,-0.081605,-0.05427,-0.0032476,-0.0016186,0.0053816,-0.0078446,0.0319486,0.056775,-0.0058154,0.007576,0.014405,-0.0327406,0.0076614,-0.0300476,-0.0109198,-0.0387768,0.0229438
Iran_Chl,0.0782275,0.098137,-0.1204386,-0.0131843,-0.0966334,0.013184,0.0132462,-0.0042165,-0.0697613,-0.0359501,-0.0042959,-0.0005859,-0.0025137,-0.0024147,0.0194327,0.0294108,-0.0059857,0.0048602,0.0081017,-0.0236023,0.0063524,-0.0150182,-0.0058486,-0.022599,0.0137493
ANF,0.1179017,0.1800873,0.0034255,-0.1010589,0.0512402,-0.0479692,-0.0037992,-0.006846,0.0361667,0.0806776,0.0082614,0.0113088,-0.0241636,0.0005791,-0.0427122,-0.0103696,0.0225564,0.0013883,0.0136487,-0.0104478,-0.0142612,0.0056932,-0.0049042,-0.0037505,-0.0044357
CHG,0.08992,0.103584,-0.088246,-0.004845,-0.089555,0.020359,0.023266,-0.001154,-0.130486,-0.080002,-0.007632,0.024878,-0.052626,0.007707,0.026465,-0.0297,0.027772,-0.010769,-0.023757,0.037518,0.030945,-0.006677,0.0053,-0.020846,0.001557
WHG,0.129758,0.121864,0.192709,0.193155,0.157876,0 .047411,0.018566,0.036691,0.083855,0.006743,-0.015914,-0.015436,0.019177,-0.005918,0.047909,0.046804,0.006258,0.01913,-0.004274,0.057403,0.089717,0.008903,-0.049176,-0.142912,0.011975
WHG,0.117238,0.112724,0.170836,0.191217,0.149874,0 .04769,0.010575,0.035306,0.083241,0.034989,-0.013641,-0.020082,0.008622,0.00523,0.054831,0.066427,0.0087 36,0.014569,-0.021369,0.051775,0.094084,0.018672,-0.055092,-0.168217,0.010658
EHG,0.1215062,0.031735,0.1290692,0.2084975,-0.0126948,0.0571025,-0.0186835,-0.0252678,-0.0029145,-0.0858785,0.0180655,-0.0180965,0.0325195,-0.0417342,0.0195772,0.0295678,-0.0112132,0.0036425,-0.0025768,0.0134125,-0.0061455,0.0174658,0.0117082,-0.0194005,-0.010059
Amerindian,0.0529278,-0.3122752,0.1171902,0.0981115,-0.1127902,-0.0152692,-0.302165,-0.3561198,-0.006187,-0.0107062,-0.005927,-0.0006742,-0.0023415,0.026389,-0.0058698,0.0037458,0.0092572,-0.001267,0.0050905,0.0034705,-0.0030883,0.0100778,-0.0017255,-0.0056635,-0.0049695
Amerindian,0.052359,-0.318876,0.115776,0.090117,-0.111405,-0.019801,-0.277313,-0.335755,-0.014726,-0.024602,-0.004384,-0.001499,-0.001338,0.011698,-0.007465,0.004243,0.006258,-0.001267,0.001383,-0.004877,0.000749,0.007543,-0.000123,0.003735,0.001437
North_Asian,0.027318,-0.447848,0.103331,-0.031977,-0.092017,-0.061077,0.015511,0.022153,0.01084,0.011481,-0.008282,-0.00045,-0.004757,-0.003165,-0.011265,0.002254,-0.004433,0.000253,0.014204,0.012256,-0.008859,-0.012118,-0.017748,-0.007591,-0.002395
East_Asian,0.0168458,-0.4445988,0.0144814,-0.060078,0.041423,0.011044,0.0072382,0.0004618,-0.0006138,0.006342,-0.0915546,-0.0117496,0.0126956,-0.0065508,-0.0106676,0.0002386,0.0046938,-0.0035724,-0.0047012,-0.002051,0.0140752,0.0156792,0.011043,-0.0033258,0.0120228
AASI,0.007449,-0.231104,-0.231375,0.194341,-0.046555,0.082346,-0.00629,0.029412,0.149897,0.108332,-0.007625,0.005662,-0.007651,0.025169,-0.039099,-0.051283,0.017611,-0.003512,-0.005955,0.034942,0.007473,0.01831,-0.005371,0.020167,-0.021865
Melanesian,-0.042115,-0.227479,-0.232306,0.254525,0.180957,-0.410527,0,0.005538,-0.028633,-0.011663,-0.003248,0.005995,0.001041,-0.000826,-0.002307,-0.001326,-0.003781,-0.005954,-0.006788,0.005378,0.006613,-0.009274,0.001972,-0.001205,-0.008622
Australasian,-0.037334,-0.2555072,-0.2087742,0.2211914,0.162492,-0.3442068,-0.003572,0.0015228,-0.0268744,-0.0074354,-6.5e-05,-5.98e-05,0.0030924,0.0023398,0.0001086,0.000212,-0.0014342,-0.0006334,0.005028,0.002051,-0.0004742,-0.004031,-0.0005672,-0.0054946,-0.009436



Steppe add on:

Yamnaya,0.1172375,0.0841986,0.0385669,0.1100147,-0.0290036,0.0431163,0.0023344,-0.0062149,-0.0562031,-0.0724896,-0.0027894,-0.0021649,-0.0022795,-0.0245398,0.0326665,0.0115649,-0.0021556,-0.0032519,-0.0065226,0.006731,-0.0034052,0.0015308,0.0101722,0.0208541,-0.0079247

Katarzyna
08-06-2023, 07:09 PM
Target: Katarzyna(real)
Distance: 6.7711% / 0.06771145
39.6 ANF
37.2 EHG
13.0 WHG
10.2 CHG


Yamnaya Version:

Target: Katarzyna(real)
Distance: 5.7206% / 0.05720614
43.8 Yamnaya
32.0 ANF
17.4 WHG
6.8 EHG

Russki
08-06-2023, 07:11 PM
https://sun9-27.userapi.com/impg/bVK_jL4MlOFMkd0p5NgQnp4rpv99xvBbadGGaw/y3AOzW3Y_48.jpg?size=310x540&quality=95&sign=5a72a627f5034be077e6514d054a4cbd&type=album

https://sun9-30.userapi.com/impg/lV39TWSc-F1EUvSw7v2M58rJk2DZSNcnigmMxw/iqeHX_gGhhI.jpg?size=310x560&quality=95&sign=7bca495021b4f89706875d1b6f2fdcb8&type=album

Ok? I don't think Vahaduo is a good admixture analysis honestly.

Gallop
08-06-2023, 07:13 PM
Target: Gallop_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 1.7271% / 0.01727115
44.4 ANF
16.4 WHG
13.8 CHG
12.2 Natufian
8.2 EHG
2.0 Amerindian
2.0 Iberomaurusian
1.0 East_African_HG

Target: Gallop_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 1.3824% / 0.01382370
41.6 ANF
18.0 WHG
17.0 Yamnaya
8.6 CHG
7.8 Natufian
2.0 Iran_Chl
1.8 EHG
1.0 East_African_HG
0.8 West_African_HG
0.6 Amerindian
0.6 Iberomaurusian
0.2 AASI


Target: Father_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 1.5600% / 0.01560024
52.2 ANF
14.2 WHG
14.0 EHG
9.0 Natufian
5.6 CHG
2.2 East_African_HG
1.2 Iberomaurusian
0.6 AASI
0.6 West_African_HG
0.4 Amerindian

Target: Father_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 1.2772% / 0.01277218
50.0 ANF
17.6 Yamnaya
16.4 WHG
6.8 Natufian
3.2 EHG
2.0 Iberomaurusian
1.8 West_African_HG
0.8 Amerindian
0.8 Iran_Chl
0.4 Iran_N
0.2 East_African_HG

Beowulf
08-06-2023, 07:17 PM
Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0464% / 0.04640467
57.5 ANF
21.7 EHG
10.6 CHG
10.0 WHG
0.2 Iberomaurusian


Yamnaya added:

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0306% / 0.03059493
52.2 ANF
35.5 Yamnaya
11.7 WHG
0.6 Iberomaurusian

Katarzyna
08-06-2023, 07:18 PM
I have noticed something:
Both some Eastern Europeans and Spaniards/French have a high amount of WHG. But in your non Yamnaya version it goes down for Eastern Europeans like in my results. Why is it so?

Eurafricanid
08-06-2023, 07:19 PM
Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 3.7384% / 0.03738374
58.6 ANF
15.9 EHG
11.6 WHG
8.9 Iran_Chl
4.9 CHG
0.1 Iberomaurusian


Target: Eurafricanid-EU
Distance: 2.8390% / 0.02838552
54.8 ANF
29.9 Yamnaya
11.4 WHG
2.7 Natufian
1.2 Iran_Chl



Non Euro (For fun)
Target: Eurafricanid-SSA
Distance: 21.9830% / 0.21982951
75.1 West_African_HG
16.2 East_African_HG
8.7 Iberomaurusian


(keep in mind that this Amerindian is extremely low-res, since it's only ~3% of my DNA)
Target: Eurafricanid-AM
Distance: 2.3725% / 0.02372516
94.0 Amerindian
2.5 East_Asian
1.9 WHG
1.0 EHG
0.4 Natufian
0.2 Iran_Chl

Eurafricanid
08-06-2023, 07:34 PM
I have noticed something:
Both some Eastern Europeans and Spaniards/French have a high amount of WHG. But in your non Yamnaya version it goes down for Eastern Europeans like in my results. Why is it so?

Because Eastern Europeans have very high EHG, compared to Western Europeans, and probably the "WHG" in that region was more EHG-like, the WHG samples I used are more "Western", because I didn't want a lot of overlap.

Beowulf
08-06-2023, 07:35 PM
Mother:


Target: Mama
Distance: 0.0387% / 0.03871732
50.1 ANF
23.3 EHG
11.8 WHG
9.4 CHG
3.3 Iran_Chl
2.1 Iberomaurusian

Target: Mama
Distance: 0.0242% / 0.02420466
45.2 ANF
38.2 Yamnaya
13.6 WHG
2.7 Iberomaurusian
0.3 Natufian

Father:

Target: Papa
Distance: 0.0473% / 0.04730718
61.1 ANF
16.4 EHG
12.4 WHG
8.2 CHG
1.9 Iberomaurusian

Target: Papa
Distance: 0.0364% / 0.03640272
56.8 ANF
27.6 Yamnaya
13.4 WHG
2.2 Iberomaurusian

Grandmother:

Target: Abuela
Distance: 0.0228% / 0.02284556
42.8 ANF
36.4 Yamnaya
10.9 WHG
5.4 Iberomaurusian
4.2 Natufian
0.2 East_Asian
0.1 EHG

Target: Abuela
Distance: 0.0341% / 0.03414035
49.4 ANF
23.4 EHG
8.6 WHG
7.1 Iran_Chl
5.8 Iberomaurusian
5.1 CHG
0.6 Natufian

Grandfather:

Target: Abuelo
Distance: 0.0467% / 0.04666222
48.9 ANF
22.7 EHG
15.3 WHG
13.1 CHG

Target: Abuelo
Distance: 0.0312% / 0.03117642
44.4 ANF
40.0 Yamnaya
16.4 WHG

Albannach
08-06-2023, 07:37 PM
Target: Albannach_scaled
Distance: 7.4688% / 0.07468783
43.4 ANF
33.4 EHG
11.6 CHG
11.6 WHG

Target: Albannach_scaled
Distance: 5.5463% / 0.05546344
49.8 Yamnaya
34.4 ANF
15.8 WHG

Distance to: Albannach_scaled
0.14878831 Yamnaya
0.22387573 ANF
0.24539021 EHG
0.26858793 Iran_Chl
0.28074597 CHG
0.30695587 Natufian
0.32170574 WHG
0.33095462 Iran_N
0.33193463 WHG
0.48331681 Iberomaurusian
0.56205126 AASI
0.61479951 East_Asian
0.62366815 North_Asian
0.65800559 Australasian
0.66561120 Amerindian
0.68377116 Amerindian
0.68490590 East_African_HG
0.70446028 Melanesian
0.77163493 West_African_HG

Demirkazık
08-06-2023, 07:39 PM
Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 3.0475% / 0.03047486
37.0 ANF
22.6 Yamnaya
12.2 North_Asian
11.4 CHG
10.6 Iran_N
6.2 Natufian

Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 3.4918% / 0.03491783
39.6 ANF
19.2 CHG
12.6 EHG
11.8 Iran_N
11.6 North_Asian
5.2 Natufian

Demirkazık
08-06-2023, 07:42 PM
Target: Demirkazık_scaled
Distance: 3.0475% / 0.03047486
37.0 ANF
22.6 Yamnaya
12.2 North_Asian
11.4 CHG
10.6 Iran_N
6.2 Natufian

Imagine descending from literal Anatolian Farmers but having that amount of ANF...

Eurafricanid
08-06-2023, 08:04 PM
Imagine descending from literal Anatolian Farmers but having that amount of ANF...

Immagine beeing stuck frozen in time aka Sardinian...

Target: Sardinian
Distance: 3.3820% / 0.03382022
81.2 ANF
13.2 WHG
5.0 Yamnaya
0.6 Iberomaurusian

Voskos
08-06-2023, 08:14 PM
Imagine descending from literal Anatolian Farmers but having that amount of ANF...

Do you have some Cretan ancestry?

Demirkazık
08-06-2023, 08:47 PM
Do you have some Cretan ancestry?

Not on paper trail, but there is a humongous possibility of one of my Great-Grandparents being Anatolian Rum. Our village had 3 Anatolian Greek household, there is a story of my paternal Grandfather almost marrying an Anatolian Greek girl named Hellene...

Mesoman
08-06-2023, 09:42 PM
I removed Iran_CHL from the model, because it doesn't make sense to use Iran_CHL together with Iran_N in the model.


Target: Mesoman_scaled
Distance: 4.0472% / 0.04047240
41.2 ANF
28.6 CHG
22.0 Iran_N
8.0 Natufian
0.2 Amerindian

P.S. We do have ANF, Feiichy

Sheppey
08-06-2023, 10:22 PM
Target: Sheppey
Distance: 4.3220% / 0.04321992
48.2 Yamnaya
35.8 ANF
16.0 WHG



Target: Sheppey
Distance: 6.2340% / 0.06233993
44.8 ANF
33.6 EHG
11.2 WHG
10.4 CHG

Distance to: Sheppey
0.14880135 Yamnaya
0.21725421 ANF
0.24395476 EHG
0.26203973 Iran_Chl
0.28018811 CHG
0.30172130 Natufian
0.31988186 WHG
0.32200926 Iran_N
0.32797795 WHG
0.48232335 Iberomaurusian
0.55538978 AASI
0.60329897 East_Asian
0.61270258 North_Asian
0.65132425 Australasian
0.65665325 Amerindian
0.67496897 East_African_HG
0.67499916 Amerindian
0.69876020 Melanesian
0.75995106 West_African_HG

DomitiusAurelian
08-06-2023, 10:43 PM
Target: Domitius_scaled
Distance: 2.6822% / 0.02682240
38.8 ANF
24.4 Iran_Chl
14.8 CHG
7.4 North_Asian
7.2 EHG
6.4 Natufian
1.0 East_Asian


With Yamnaya:

Target: Domitius_scaled
Distance: 2.3771% / 0.02377125
37.2 ANF
23.0 Iran_Chl
13.6 Yamnaya
10.4 CHG
8.2 North_Asian
7.2 Natufian
0.4 East_Asian

marco
08-06-2023, 11:19 PM
Me and my son North African Arabs I made our natufian bold

Target: Son_scaled
Distance: 3.6662% / 0.03666245
40.4 ANF
31.2 Iberomaurusian
8.2 East_African_HG
7.0 West_African_HG
6.4 Iran_Chl
2.4 CHG
2.2 EHG
1.8 WHG
0.4 Melanesian

Target: Me
Distance: 3.8862% / 0.03886196
33.2 ANF
25.0 Iberomaurusian
15.0 Natufian
12.2 Iran_Chl
7.6 East_African_HG
4.6 West_African_HG
1.2 WHG
0.6 CHG
0.6 EHG

With steppe

Target: Me
Distance: 3.8619% / 0.03861930
32.8 ANF
24.8 Iberomaurusian
15.6 Natufian
10.8 Iran_Chl
7.2 East_African_HG
5.0 West_African_HG
3.2 Yamnaya
0.6 WHG

Target: Son_scaled
Distance: 3.6008% / 0.03600830
40.2 ANF
31.2 Iberomaurusian
8.2 East_African_HG
7.0 West_African_HG
6.0 Yamnaya
5.4 Iran_Chl
1.2 WHG
0.4 CHG
0.4 Melanesian

A more recent ssa source

Target: son
Distance: 1.8375% / 0.01837467
37.6 ANF
28.0 Iberomaurusian
15.4 TZA_Pemba_600BP
7.0 Yamnaya
5.4 Natufian
4.0 Iran_Chl
1.2 WHG
0.6 Australasian
0.6 CHG
0.2 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP

Target: Me
Distance: 2.0136% / 0.02013555
30.4 ANF
22.2 Natufian
20.8 Iberomaurusian
8.0 Iran_Chl
7.8 COG_Kindoki_230BP
5.2 Yamnaya
4.6 TZA_Pemba_600BP
0.6 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP
0.2 CHG
0.2 WHG

vader
08-07-2023, 02:27 AM
Target: Luso_scaled
Distance: 4.8147% / 0.04814676
57.4 ANF
18.6 EHG
9.8 WHG
7.6 CHG
5.8 Iberomaurusian
0.8 East_African_HG

Target: Luso_dad_scaled
Distance: 4.6670% / 0.04667010
57.8 ANF
19.0 EHG
10.0 WHG
7.2 CHG
6.0 Iberomaurusian

Target: Luso_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.3725% / 0.04372540
56.2 ANF
19.4 EHG
9.4 WHG
9.0 CHG
5.2 Iberomaurusian
0.8 West_African_HG

Danjojo
08-07-2023, 05:30 AM
Target: DanjojoSIM
Distance: 5.4457% / 0.05445690
46.8 ANF
33.0 EHG
11.0 WHG
9.2 CHG

Target: DanjojoSIM
Distance: 4.0178% / 0.04017800
43.4 Yamnaya
38.6 ANF
15.8 WHG
2.2 EHG

Eurafricanid
08-07-2023, 05:34 AM
I removed Iran_CHL from the model, because it doesn't make sense to use Iran_CHL together with Iran_N in the model.


Target: Mesoman_scaled
Distance: 4.0472% / 0.04047240
41.2 ANF
28.6 CHG
22.0 Iran_N
8.0 Natufian
0.2 Amerindian

P.S. We do have ANF, Feiichy

I does, and that's why it's there. Only South Asians matched Iran_N in my tests, so it acts sort of as a South Asian identifier. If you don't want both take the Iran_N out.

Mesoman
08-07-2023, 10:26 AM
Target: Gallop_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 1.7271% / 0.01727115
44.4 ANF
16.4 WHG
13.8 CHG
12.2 Natufian
8.2 EHG
2.0 Amerindian
2.0 Iberomaurusian
1.0 East_African_HG

Target: Gallop_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 1.3824% / 0.01382370
41.6 ANF
18.0 WHG
17.0 Yamnaya
8.6 CHG
7.8 Natufian
2.0 Iran_Chl
1.8 EHG
1.0 East_African_HG
0.8 West_African_HG
0.6 Amerindian
0.6 Iberomaurusian
0.2 AASI


Target: Father_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 1.5600% / 0.01560024
52.2 ANF
14.2 WHG
14.0 EHG
9.0 Natufian
5.6 CHG
2.2 East_African_HG
1.2 Iberomaurusian
0.6 AASI
0.6 West_African_HG
0.4 Amerindian

Target: Father_scaled
Chebyshev distance: 1.2772% / 0.01277218
50.0 ANF
17.6 Yamnaya
16.4 WHG
6.8 Natufian
3.2 EHG
2.0 Iberomaurusian
1.8 West_African_HG
0.8 Amerindian
0.8 Iran_Chl
0.4 Iran_N
0.2 East_African_HG


How come you and your father score that much Natufian as Spaniards

Mesoman
08-07-2023, 10:31 AM
I does, and that's why it's there. Only South Asians matched Iran_N in my tests, so it acts sort of as a South Asian identifier. If you don't want both take the Iran_N out.

What do you mean by South Asians matching Iran_N in your tests.. Iran_N became a South Asianoid component now? lol. Iran_CHL is substantially Iran_N like, that's why in Mesolithic/Neolithic models there is no point to use Iran_CHL when you already have Iran_N in the model. And, of course, Iran_N is a native Neolithic Northern West Asian component. The reason why South Asians may "match" or score a lot of Iran_N is because they have ancestral admix from Neolithic Zagrosian sources

marco
08-07-2023, 10:32 AM
How come you and your father score that much Natufian as Spaniards

I believe they're part Lebanese, his got even higher natufian then my son, actually all of them do

Mesoman
08-07-2023, 10:35 AM
I believe they're part Lebanese, his got even higher natufian then my son, actually all of them do

That would make sense, because Spaniards on average don't get any Natufian or if they do, it's in the 0-2% range. Are you and your son Moroccan?

Beowulf
08-07-2023, 10:38 AM
How come you and your father score that much Natufian as Spaniards

He is using Chebyshev distance method it can give weird and noisy results usually

I'll post the link here if u wanna try it: Chebyshev (https://vahaduo.github.io/chebyshev/)

MandM
08-07-2023, 10:40 AM
Target: Milenko
Distance: 3.7590% / 0.03758975
53.6 ANF
40.2 Yamnaya
4.4 WHG
1.8 EHG

Target: Milenko
Distance: 4.7261% / 0.04726086
58.0 ANF
28.8 EHG
12.0 CHG
1.2 WHG

Mesoman
08-07-2023, 11:04 AM
He is using Chebyshev distance method it can give weird and noisy results usually

I'll post the link here if u wanna try it: Chebyshev (https://vahaduo.github.io/chebyshev/)

I see.. It would be better if he posted his modeling without Chebyshev distance method

marco
08-07-2023, 11:37 AM
That would make sense, because Spaniards on average don't get any Natufian or if they do, it's in the 0-2% range. Are you and your son Moroccan?

Yeah we are North African Arabs our results


Target: Son_scaled
Distance: 3.6662% / 0.03666245
40.4 ANF
31.2 Iberomaurusian
8.2 East_African_HG
7.0 West_African_HG
6.4 Iran_Chl
2.4 CHG
2.2 EHG
1.8 WHG
0.4 Melanesian

Target: Me
Distance: 3.8862% / 0.03886196
33.2 ANF
25.0 Iberomaurusian
15.0 Natufian
12.2 Iran_Chl
7.6 East_African_HG
4.6 West_African_HG
1.2 WHG
0.6 CHG
0.6 EHG

With steppe

Target: Me
Distance: 3.8619% / 0.03861930
32.8 ANF
24.8 Iberomaurusian
15.6 Natufian
10.8 Iran_Chl
7.2 East_African_HG
5.0 West_African_HG
3.2 Yamnaya
0.6 WHG

Target: Son_scaled
Distance: 3.6008% / 0.03600830
40.2 ANF
31.2 Iberomaurusian
8.2 East_African_HG
7.0 West_African_HG
6.0 Yamnaya
5.4 Iran_Chl
1.2 WHG
0.4 CHG
0.4 Melanesian



A more recent ssa source

Target: son
Distance: 1.8375% / 0.01837467
37.6 ANF
28.0 Iberomaurusian
15.4 TZA_Pemba_600BP
7.0 Yamnaya
5.4 Natufian
4.0 Iran_Chl
1.2 WHG
0.6 Australasian
0.6 CHG
0.2 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP

Target: Me
Distance: 2.0136% / 0.02013555
30.4 ANF
22.2 Natufian
20.8 Iberomaurusian
8.0 Iran_Chl
7.8 COG_Kindoki_230BP
5.2 Yamnaya
4.6 TZA_Pemba_600BP
0.6 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP
0.2 CHG
0.2 WHG

Mesoman
08-07-2023, 11:39 AM
Yeah we are North African Arabs our results


Target: Son_scaled
Distance: 3.6662% / 0.03666245
40.4 ANF
31.2 Iberomaurusian
8.2 East_African_HG
7.0 West_African_HG
6.4 Iran_Chl
2.4 CHG
2.2 EHG
1.8 WHG
0.4 Melanesian

Target: Me
Distance: 3.8862% / 0.03886196
33.2 ANF
25.0 Iberomaurusian
15.0 Natufian
12.2 Iran_Chl
7.6 East_African_HG
4.6 West_African_HG
1.2 WHG
0.6 CHG
0.6 EHG

With steppe

Target: Me
Distance: 3.8619% / 0.03861930
32.8 ANF
24.8 Iberomaurusian
15.6 Natufian
10.8 Iran_Chl
7.2 East_African_HG
5.0 West_African_HG
3.2 Yamnaya
0.6 WHG

Target: Son_scaled
Distance: 3.6008% / 0.03600830
40.2 ANF
31.2 Iberomaurusian
8.2 East_African_HG
7.0 West_African_HG
6.0 Yamnaya
5.4 Iran_Chl
1.2 WHG
0.4 CHG
0.4 Melanesian



A more recent ssa source

Target: son
Distance: 1.8375% / 0.01837467
37.6 ANF
28.0 Iberomaurusian
15.4 TZA_Pemba_600BP
7.0 Yamnaya
5.4 Natufian
4.0 Iran_Chl
1.2 WHG
0.6 Australasian
0.6 CHG
0.2 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP

Target: Me
Distance: 2.0136% / 0.02013555
30.4 ANF
22.2 Natufian
20.8 Iberomaurusian
8.0 Iran_Chl
7.8 COG_Kindoki_230BP
5.2 Yamnaya
4.6 TZA_Pemba_600BP
0.6 COG_NgongoMbata_220BP
0.2 CHG
0.2 WHG

Can you model yourself with the same model as in OP but remove Iran_CHL from the model? I would like to see if that will have any impact on how you get modeled

marco
08-07-2023, 12:07 PM
He is using Chebyshev distance method it can give weird and noisy results usually

I'll post the link here if u wanna try it: Chebyshev (https://vahaduo.github.io/chebyshev/)

I tried it and it doesn't effect the results that much

marco
08-07-2023, 12:17 PM
Can you model yourself with the same model as in OP but remove Iran_CHL from the model? I would like to see if that will have any impact on how you get modeled

Me and my son on the original model

Target: Me
Distance: 3.8739% / 0.03873931
34.6 ANF
24.6 Iberomaurusian
16.0 Natufian
7.6 Iran_N
7.0 East_African_HG
5.0 West_African_HG
4.2 Yamnaya
0.8 CHG
0.2 WHG

Target: Son_scaled
Distance: 3.6149% / 0.03614888
41.4 ANF
31.0 Iberomaurusian
8.2 East_African_HG
7.0 West_African_HG
6.4 Yamnaya
3.4 Iran_N
1.2 CHG
1.0 WHG
0.4 Melanesian


With more recent ssa source
Target: Me
Distance: 2.0414% / 0.02041444
31.4 ANF
22.8 Natufian
20.6 Iberomaurusian
7.8 Tanzania_Pemba_600BP
5.6 Yamnaya
4.8 Iran_N
2.8 Congo_NgongoMbata_Protohistoric
2.4 Congo_Kindoki_Protohistoric
1.8 CHG

Target: son
Distance: 1.8866% / 0.01886641
38.2 ANF
27.4 Iberomaurusian
8.0 Yamnaya
6.6 Congo_NgongoMbata_Protohistoric
6.6 Natufian
4.6 Tanzania_Pemba_600BP
4.4 Congo_Kindoki_Protohistoric
2.2 CHG
0.8 Melanesian
0.6 Iran_N
0.6 WHG

Mesoman
08-07-2023, 12:45 PM
Me and my son on the original model

Target: Me
Distance: 3.8739% / 0.03873931
34.6 ANF
24.6 Iberomaurusian
16.0 Natufian
7.6 Iran_N
7.0 East_African_HG
5.0 West_African_HG
4.2 Yamnaya
0.8 CHG
0.2 WHG

Target: Son_scaled
Distance: 3.6149% / 0.03614888
41.4 ANF
31.0 Iberomaurusian
8.2 East_African_HG
7.0 West_African_HG
6.4 Yamnaya
3.4 Iran_N
1.2 CHG
1.0 WHG
0.4 Melanesian


With more recent ssa source
Target: Me
Distance: 2.0414% / 0.02041444
31.4 ANF
22.8 Natufian
20.6 Iberomaurusian
7.8 Tanzania_Pemba_600BP
5.6 Yamnaya
4.8 Iran_N
2.8 Congo_NgongoMbata_Protohistoric
2.4 Congo_Kindoki_Protohistoric
1.8 CHG

Target: son
Distance: 1.8866% / 0.01886641
38.2 ANF
27.4 Iberomaurusian
8.0 Yamnaya
6.6 Congo_NgongoMbata_Protohistoric
6.6 Natufian
4.6 Tanzania_Pemba_600BP
4.4 Congo_Kindoki_Protohistoric
2.2 CHG
0.8 Melanesian
0.6 Iran_N
0.6 WHG

Nice bro. I believe that some Algerian samples also get modeled very similarly to you and your son, iirc

Eurafricanid
08-07-2023, 03:02 PM
What do you mean by South Asians matching Iran_N in your tests.. Iran_N became a South Asianoid component now? lol. Iran_CHL is substantially Iran_N like, that's why in Mesolithic/Neolithic models there is no point to use Iran_CHL when you already have Iran_N in the model. And, of course, Iran_N is a native Neolithic Northern West Asian component. The reason why South Asians may "match" or score a lot of Iran_N is because they have ancestral admix from Neolithic Zagrosian sources

I know what Iran_N is, bro. I don't know what you didn't get, but only the south Asians matched the Iran_N by itself, so it is a South Asian identifier in this calculator, I only added Iran_N because of that. If you look at all the other results here, non of them matched Iran_N, so it is a South Asian identifier, there's no reason for you to tamper the calculator. Btw if you still don't understand, it means that while the other populations got the extra Iran_N from Iran_Chl, south Asians got it from other separate sources, that is super obvious,

gixajo
08-07-2023, 03:29 PM
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.7305% / 0.03730499
54.6 ANF
28.2 Yamnaya
15.2 WHG
2.0 Iberomaurusian

Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 3.5434% / 0.03543411
57.8 ANF
27.0 Yamnaya
11.6 WHG
3.6 Iberomaurusian

Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 4.6728% / 0.04672761
52.6 ANF
29.0 Yamnaya
17.0 WHG
1.4 Iberomaurusian

Target: gixajo_enana_scaled
Distance: 3.7537% / 0.03753658
57.0 ANF
25.2 Yamnaya
17.4 WHG
0.4 Iberomaurusian

ugochaves
08-07-2023, 03:41 PM
I know what Iran_N is, bro. I don't know what you didn't get, but only the south Asians matched the Iran_N by itself, so it is a South Asian identifier in this calculator, I only added Iran_N because of that. If you look at all the other results here, non of them matched Iran_N, so it is a South Asian identifier, there's no reason for you to tamper the calculator. Btw if you still don't understand, it means that while the other populations got the extra Iran_N from Iran_Chl, south Asians got it from other separate sources, that is super obvious,
In your model, Estonians and Spaniards adhere to almost the same percentage of yamna culture. According to all studies, this is impossible. Estonians, Latvians are the most Indo-European in DNA. Ehg cannot be used next to a pit culture without some other components.

Mesoman
08-07-2023, 03:54 PM
I know what Iran_N is, bro. I don't know what you didn't get, but only the south Asians matched the Iran_N by itself, so it is a South Asian identifier in this calculator, I only added Iran_N because of that. If you look at all the other results here, non of them matched Iran_N, so it is a South Asian identifier, there's no reason for you to tamper the calculator. Btw if you still don't understand, it means that while the other populations got the extra Iran_N from Iran_Chl, south Asians got it from other separate sources, that is super obvious,

When you have Iran_CHL, Iran_N, and AASI in the same model, and South Asians get all three of them, you can't claim that Iran_N is the South Asian identifier. It's AASI which is South Asian identifier. Also, in general Iran_N does not work as South Asian identifier. Iran_CHL is basically Iran_N with additive ANF and CHG. Using Iran_CHL and Iran_N in the same model is the same as using ANF and Levant_N, or Natufian and Levant_N.

It is not relevant from where Iran_N ancestry was distributed. Fact of the matter is that Iran_N is Iran_N. It's like saying Europeans got their CHG ancestry from Steppe but West Asians got it either directly from CHG or from Caucasus_N/Caucasus_CHL/Caucasus_EBA. CHG is CHG in the end.

In a nutshell, don't use the samples in the same model that eat each other up and please don't claim that Iran_N is a South Asian identifier, because I modeled punjabis and they get 0 Iran_N and 51% Iran_CHL

alexmegas777
08-07-2023, 05:01 PM
Target: alexmegas_scaled
Distance: 4.6871% / 0.04687087
57.4 ANF
25.4 EHG
12.4 CHG
4.8 WHG
Target: alexmegas_scaled
Distance: 3.8246% / 0.03824634
52.4 ANF
40.2 Yamnaya
7.4 WHG

Impaler
08-07-2023, 06:15 PM
Target: Impaler
Distance: 3.7199% / 0.03719947
48.2 ANF
24.0 EHG
14.8 Iran_Chl
6.8 CHG
3.0 AASI
2.0 WHG
0.8 Iberomaurusian
0.4 East_Asian

Target: Impaler
Distance: 2.5795% / 0.02579541
43.4 ANF
39.0 Yamnaya
6.4 Iran_Chl
4.2 AASI
3.6 WHG
2.0 Natufian
0.8 East_Asian
0.6 Iberomaurusian

Target: Father
Distance: 4.5512% / 0.04551184
41.4 ANF
22.4 Iran_Chl
16.4 EHG
6.6 AASI
6.6 CHG
6.0 WHG
0.4 Melanesian
0.2 East_Asian


Target: Father
Distance: 4.1131% / 0.04113114
38.8 ANF
27.4 Yamnaya
18.2 Iran_Chl
7.4 AASI
6.8 WHG
0.6 East_Asian
0.6 Natufian
0.2 Melanesian

marco
08-07-2023, 07:22 PM
Nice bro. I believe that some Algerian samples also get modeled very similarly to you and your son, iirc

Yeah this is a comparison between my son and the Algerian samples I have in modern admixture

Target: Berber_Algeria_Shawiya
Distance: 1.1871% / 0.01187128 | R5P
71.0 Berber_MAR_TIZ
13.2 Libyan_Jew
9.2 Greek_Crete
3.6 Sardinian
3.0 Spanish_Aragon_North

Target: Berber_Algeria_Mozabite
Distance: 0.1831% / 0.00183124 | R5P
77.4 Berber_MAR_TIZ
9.4 Tunisian_Jew
7.4 Greek_Crete
5.6 Spanish_Andalucia
0.2 SaudiB

Target: Berber_Algeria_Kabyle
Distance: 0.1264% / 0.00126437 | R5P
64.4 Berber_MAR_TIZ
14.8 Greek_Crete
9.0 Egyptian
7.4 Spanish_Castello
4.4 Sardinian

Target: Algerian
Distance: 0.0812% / 0.00081241 | R5P
52.2 Berber_MAR_TIZ
14.2 Spanish_Canarias
11.4 BedouinB
11.2 Moroccan_Jew
11.0 Egyptian

Target: Son_scaled
Distance: 0.6223% / 0.00622322 | R5P
62.8 Berber_MAR_TIZ
24.0 Greek_Crete
5.6 Gambian
5.2 Luhya_Kenya
2.4 Nasoi

At a lower distance for my son

Target: son_scaled
Distance: 0.4840% / 0.00484032 | R5P
56.0 Berber_MAR_TIZ
28.2 Maltese
8.6 Mandenka
4.8 Ogiek
2.4 Nasoi

Figaro
08-07-2023, 07:39 PM
Target: CordedFather_scaled
Distance: 6.4573% / 0.06457329
47.6 ANF
33.4 EHG
9.6 CHG
9.4 WHG

Target: CordedFather_scaled
Distance: 4.9013% / 0.04901332
46.8 Yamnaya
38.6 ANF
14.6 WHG

Target: CordedMother_scaled
Distance: 5.9034% / 0.05903380
45.4 ANF
34.6 EHG
10.2 CHG
9.8 WHG

Target: CordedMother_scaled
Distance: 4.6527% / 0.04652714
44.4 Yamnaya
37.6 ANF
14.4 WHG
3.6 EHG

Voskos
08-07-2023, 09:08 PM
Very good calculator imho.

Eurafricanid
08-07-2023, 09:11 PM
When you have Iran_CHL, Iran_N, and AASI in the same model, and South Asians get all three of them, you can't claim that Iran_N is the South Asian identifier. It's AASI which is South Asian identifier. Also, in general Iran_N does not work as South Asian identifier. Iran_CHL is basically Iran_N with additive ANF and CHG. Using Iran_CHL and Iran_N in the same model is the same as using ANF and Levant_N, or Natufian and Levant_N.

It is not relevant from where Iran_N ancestry was distributed. Fact of the matter is that Iran_N is Iran_N. It's like saying Europeans got their CHG ancestry from Steppe but West Asians got it either directly from CHG or from Caucasus_N/Caucasus_CHL/Caucasus_EBA. CHG is CHG in the end.

In a nutshell, don't use the samples in the same model that eat each other up and please don't claim that Iran_N is a South Asian identifier, because I modeled punjabis and they get 0 Iran_N and 51% Iran_CHL

Iran_N works like a South Asian identifier (probably dravidian-related) in this calculator, for the most part, I don't know what's your problem with it, I only put it in here because of the south asians.


Target: Telugu
Distance: 1.6447% / 0.01644697
50.7 AASI
31.8 Iran_N
9.1 Yamnaya
6.7 Iran_Chl
1.7 EHG


Target: Sri_Lankan
Distance: 1.5304% / 0.01530381
51.9 AASI
25.9 Iran_N
13.7 Iran_Chl
5.0 Yamnaya
2.9 EHG
0.5 Amerindian
0.1 Iberomaurusian


Target: Punjabi_Hindu_India
Distance: 1.8215% / 0.01821465
35.4 Iran_Chl
29.3 AASI
20.2 Yamnaya
9.4 Iran_N
5.1 EHG
0.5 East_Asian
0.1 Amerindian


Target: Pashtun_Yusufzai
Distance: 1.5210% / 0.01521010
43.1 Iran_Chl
20.0 Yamnaya
18.8 AASI
6.4 Iran_N
5.9 EHG
3.9 ANF
1.5 East_Asian
0.4 North_Asian



Target: Iranian
Distance: 2.1782% / 0.02178160
54.2 Iran_Chl
22.5 ANF
9.4 Yamnaya
7.3 Iran_N
3.0 Iberomaurusian
2.2 East_Asian
0.7 Amerindian
0.7 Natufian



Target: Iranian_Mazandarani
Distance: 1.7298% / 0.01729833
63.0 Iran_Chl
16.7 ANF
11.0 Yamnaya
4.4 Natufian
2.7 CHG
1.2 AASI
1.0 East_Asian


Target: Ezid
Distance: 1.4238% / 0.01423840
46.0 Iran_Chl
24.4 ANF
14.1 Yamnaya
10.0 Natufian
3.7 CHG
1.0 AASI
0.8 East_Asian


But whatever, bro, this isn't even the best calculator, since there are actual issues I need to fix after testing it here.

Eurafricanid
08-07-2023, 09:24 PM
In your model, Estonians and Spaniards adhere to almost the same percentage of yamna culture. According to all studies, this is impossible. Estonians, Latvians are the most Indo-European in DNA. Ehg cannot be used next to a pit culture without some other components.

With the EHG and Yamnaya, yeah, I agnoledge that they overylap a lot (obviously), so it's really hard to use them, but it seemed to work with the tests I did, the Yamnaya add -on was just an afterthought, that's why it's an add on, the main components (as clearly stated in the OP) don't have Yamnaya in them. Also...


Target: Latvian
Distance: 7.8855% / 0.07885483
41.2 Yamnaya
24.8 ANF
20.2 WHG
13.8 EHG


Target: Estonian
Distance: 6.7632% / 0.06763190
37.7 Yamnaya
27.6 ANF
17.8 WHG
16.9 EHG


Target: Spanish_Average
Distance: 3.2108% / 0.03210818
54.5 ANF
28.9 Yamnaya
13.4 WHG
3.2 Iberomaurusian


That's clearily not "almost the same".

paradox
08-07-2023, 09:50 PM
Target: paradox_scaled
Distance: 3.8492% / 0.03849224
54.8 ANF
20.4 EHG
15.6 Iran_Chl
6.2 CHG
2.8 WHG
0.2 Natufian

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 5.2605% / 0.05260478
55.8 ANF
27.4 EHG
8.0 Iran_Chl
6.2 CHG
2.6 WHG
--------------
Target: paradox_scaled
Distance: 3.2533% / 0.03253299
49.6 ANF
33.8 Yamnaya
9.2 Iran_Chl
4.2 WHG
3.2 Natufian

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 4.4679% / 0.04467930
50.6 ANF
41.4 Yamnaya
4.8 WHG
1.6 EHG
1.6 Natufian

Mesoman
08-07-2023, 09:51 PM
Iran_N works like a South Asian identifier (probably dravidian-related) in this calculator, for the most part, I don't know what's your problem with it, I only put it in here because of the south asians.


Target: Telugu
Distance: 1.6447% / 0.01644697
50.7 AASI
31.8 Iran_N
9.1 Yamnaya
6.7 Iran_Chl
1.7 EHG


Target: Sri_Lankan
Distance: 1.5304% / 0.01530381
51.9 AASI
25.9 Iran_N
13.7 Iran_Chl
5.0 Yamnaya
2.9 EHG
0.5 Amerindian
0.1 Iberomaurusian


Target: Punjabi_Hindu_India
Distance: 1.8215% / 0.01821465
35.4 Iran_Chl
29.3 AASI
20.2 Yamnaya
9.4 Iran_N
5.1 EHG
0.5 East_Asian
0.1 Amerindian


Target: Pashtun_Yusufzai
Distance: 1.5210% / 0.01521010
43.1 Iran_Chl
20.0 Yamnaya
18.8 AASI
6.4 Iran_N
5.9 EHG
3.9 ANF
1.5 East_Asian
0.4 North_Asian



Target: Iranian
Distance: 2.1782% / 0.02178160
54.2 Iran_Chl
22.5 ANF
9.4 Yamnaya
7.3 Iran_N
3.0 Iberomaurusian
2.2 East_Asian
0.7 Amerindian
0.7 Natufian



Target: Iranian_Mazandarani
Distance: 1.7298% / 0.01729833
63.0 Iran_Chl
16.7 ANF
11.0 Yamnaya
4.4 Natufian
2.7 CHG
1.2 AASI
1.0 East_Asian


Target: Ezid
Distance: 1.4238% / 0.01423840
46.0 Iran_Chl
24.4 ANF
14.1 Yamnaya
10.0 Natufian
3.7 CHG
1.0 AASI
0.8 East_Asian


But whatever, bro, this isn't even the best calculator, since there are actual issues I need to fix after testing it here.

Dude, the only component from that model that is dravidian related and works as South Asian identifier is AASI, full stop. As I said, I modeled Punjabi_Sikh_India average with the model in OP, and the average scored 0% Iran_N and above 50% Iran_CHL, AKA that's where the Iran_N came from for that reference. As you can see, there will be legit and actual South Asian references that will only get modeled with Iran_CHL and without Iran_N so your method of detecting South Asian is inconsistent, and it is needless to say that Iran_N is a West Asian component, etc. But as I said, it does not matter from where Iran_N comes from and if you look at it, when you use Iran_CHL in the model it results in an overfit. Furthermore, your argument that Iran_N in this model can be used as a South Asian detector is analogous to using Levant_N in the model together with ANF. There will be idiots thinking that Iran_N can be used in the models for detecting South Asian etc so it is misinformation.

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
08-07-2023, 10:05 PM
Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 4.8820% / 0.04882013
56.2 ANF
16.8 EHG
10.8 WHG
5.6 CHG
5.6 Iran_Chl
5.0 Iberomaurusian



Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 4.0032% / 0.04003187
53.4 ANF
29.8 Yamnaya
11.2 WHG
5.6 Iberomaurusian




Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 4.2811% / 0.04281052
55.4 ANF
20.2 EHG
11.2 WHG
7.6 CHG
5.6 Iberomaurusian



Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 3.3247% / 0.03324738
50.0 ANF
30.4 Yamnaya
13.8 WHG
5.8 Iberomaurusian




Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 3.7779% / 0.03777934
55.6 ANF
22.2 EHG
8.2 WHG
7.0 Iran_Chl
3.6 Iberomaurusian
3.0 CHG
0.4 East_African_HG



Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 2.8765% / 0.02876544
51.0 ANF
32.6 Yamnaya
10.4 WHG
4.8 Iberomaurusian
0.8 EHG
0.4 AASI

Julkka
08-07-2023, 10:29 PM
Target: Julkka_scaled
Distance: 6.2770% / 0.06277012
42.8 EHG
32.4 ANF
14.6 WHG
5.4 CHG
3.4 North_Asian
1.4 East_Asian

Target: Julkka_scaled
Distance: 5.4754% / 0.05475364
34.2 Yamnaya
24.4 ANF
20.0 WHG
15.2 EHG
6.2 North_Asian

Distance to:Julkka_scaled
0.14085714 Yamnaya
0.19027124 EHG
0.27523129 ANF
0.28985793 WHG
0.29604291 Iran_Chl
0.30167283 WHG
0.30593934 CHG
0.33235832 Natufian
0.34701976 Iran_N
0.49150910 Iberomaurusian
0.53666789 AASI
0.56552701 East_Asian
0.56682255 North_Asian
0.62879077 Amerindian
0.63377581 Australasian
0.64885875 Amerindian
0.68399704 East_African_HG
0.68458562 Melanesian
0.77024869 West_African_HG

Annihilus
08-07-2023, 11:10 PM
Target: annihilus_g25_sim
Distance: 2.9737% / 0.02973729
44.6 ANF
20.0 CHG
16.0 EHG
16.0 Iran_Chl
3.2 Natufian
0.2 East_Asian

Target: annihilus_g25_sim
Distance: 2.5412% / 0.02541229
41.2 ANF
27.0 Yamnaya
13.8 Iran_Chl
11.8 CHG
4.6 Natufian
0.8 East_Asian
0.8 WHG

RyoHazuki
08-08-2023, 02:23 AM
Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 7.5556% / 0.07555551
48.2 ANF
31.2 EHG
10.8 WHG
9.8 CHG

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 6.0533% / 0.06053320
45.4 Yamnaya
39.4 ANF
15.2 WHG

calxpal
08-08-2023, 04:31 AM
Target: Cpal_scaled
Distance: 5.5017% / 0.05501723
49.2 ANF
33.2 EHG
10.0 CHG
7.6 WHG


With steppe

Target: Cpal_scaled
Distance: 3.9329% / 0.03932884
45.8 Yamnaya
40.8 ANF
12.4 WHG
1.0 EHG

Distance to: Cpal_scaled
0.15624734 Yamnaya
0.20013194 ANF
0.25593218 EHG
0.25593963 Iran_Chl
0.27387000 CHG
0.28586049 Natufian
0.31941738 Iran_N
0.33397148 WHG
0.34203789 WHG
0.47187526 Iberomaurusian
0.55555053 AASI
0.60540351 East_Asian
0.61491162 North_Asian
0.65772571 Australasian
0.66224224 Amerindian
0.68026529 East_African_HG
0.68048304 Amerindian
0.70522116 Melanesian
0.76617336 West_African_HG

Eurafricanid
08-08-2023, 05:37 PM
Dude, the only component from that model that is dravidian related and works as South Asian identifier is AASI, full stop. As I said, I modeled Punjabi_Sikh_India average with the model in OP, and the average scored 0% Iran_N and above 50% Iran_CHL, AKA that's where the Iran_N came from for that reference. As you can see, there will be legit and actual South Asian references that will only get modeled with Iran_CHL and without Iran_N so your method of detecting South Asian is inconsistent, and it is needless to say that Iran_N is a West Asian component, etc. But as I said, it does not matter from where Iran_N comes from and if you look at it, when you use Iran_CHL in the model it results in an overfit. Furthermore, your argument that Iran_N in this model can be used as a South Asian detector is analogous to using Levant_N in the model together with ANF. There will be idiots thinking that Iran_N can be used in the models for detecting South Asian etc so it is misinformation.

Dravidians didn't have AASI (at first), they were a Iranian_N related group, you're mixing up AASI with dravidian.

noricum
08-08-2023, 05:41 PM
Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 6.6342% / 0.06634181
49.8 ANF
33.4 EHG
8.6 WHG
7.4 CHG
0.8 Iran_Chl


Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 5.5512% / 0.05551154
41.8 ANF
41.0 Yamnaya
13.4 WHG
3.8 EHG

Mesoman
08-08-2023, 05:42 PM
Dravidians didn't have AASI (at first), they were a Iranian_N related group, you're mixing up AASI with dravidian.

Then you are referring to proto-Dravidians and not Dravidians because Dravidians are literally a product of Zagros Neo + AASI

Voskos
08-08-2023, 05:43 PM
Yamnaya version (with CHG and EHG removed).
Target:
Distance: 2.7128% / 0.02712805
46.8 ANF
23.2 Yamnaya
14.8 Iran_Chl
13.2 Natufian
2.0 WHG

Mesoman
08-08-2023, 05:45 PM
Yamnaya version (with CHG and EHG removed).
Target:
Distance: 2.7128% / 0.02712805
46.8 ANF
23.2 Yamnaya
14.8 Iran_Chl
13.2 Natufian
2.0 WHG

Are you Dodecanese Greek or Cretan?

Eurafricanid
08-08-2023, 05:46 PM
Then you are referring to proto-Dravidians and not Dravidians because Dravidians are literally a product of Zagros Neo + AASI

Yes, the same way I refer to the Yamnayas as "the Indo-European people" istead of "the Proto-Indo-European people".

Ritz06
08-09-2023, 06:35 PM
Target:
Distance: 4.0215% / 0.04021493
39.2 ANF
23.0 EHG
17.8 Iran_Chl
13.2 CHG
4.4 WHG
2.4 East_Asian


Target:
Distance: 2.3651% / 0.02365136
41.0 Yamnaya
36.0 ANF
14.8 Iran_Chl
4.8 WHG
3.4 East_Asian

cass
08-09-2023, 06:43 PM
Target: cass
Distance: 4.9990% / 0.04999027
46.8 Yamnaya
34.4 ANF
17.6 WHG
1.2 EHG


Target: cass
Distance: 6.3159% / 0.06315914
42.8 ANF
34.0 EHG
12.6 WHG
10.6 CHG

Nausevar
08-09-2023, 09:52 PM
This WHG seem so extreme that even Scottish and English people are modeled with more EHG than WHG.

someonenotyou
08-10-2023, 02:05 AM
Target:
Distance: 5.5072% / 0.05507166
48.0 ANF
29.0 EHG
12.8 CHG
8.4 WHG
1.8 Iran_Chl

Distance to:
0.19450818 ANF
0.24120806 Iran_Chl
0.26325212 CHG
0.26444371 EHG
0.28067574 Natufian
0.30595478 Iran_N
0.34139536 WHG
0.34890267 WHG
0.46993270 Iberomaurusian
0.55162747 AASI
0.60438932 East_Asian
0.61317988 North_Asian
0.65613667 Australasian
0.66648984 Amerindian
0.67606735 East_African_HG
0.68486478 Amerindian
0.70388097 Melanesian
0.76211861 West_African_HG

Target:
Distance: 3.9392% / 0.03939197
46.8 Yamnaya
42.2 ANF
11.0 WHG

frankhammer
08-10-2023, 03:21 AM
Target: frankhammer_scaled
Distance: 6.2515% / 0.06251470
48.6 ANF
30.8 EHG
12.0 WHG
8.6 CHG

Target: frankhammer_scaled
Distance: 4.4996% / 0.04499614
43.6 Yamnaya
39.8 ANF
16.6 WHG

ScandinavianCelt
08-10-2023, 11:55 AM
Target: Brad.Davidski.AncestryDNA.Official.G25
Distance: 4.2565% / 0.04256497

51.2 Yamnaya
34.8 ANF
14.0 WHG


Target: Brad.Davidski.AncestryDNA.Official.G25
Distance: 6.1076% / 0.06107552

43.2 ANF
34.4 EHG
12.8 CHG
9.6 WHG

sacha
02-22-2024, 05:57 PM
Target: Sacha_scaled
Distance: 4.7411% / 0.04741117
48.2 ANF
28.6 Iran_Chl
18.6 Natufian
4.6 CHG

Distance to: Sacha_scaled
0.12959349 ANF
0.18439983 Natufian
0.19659912 Iran_Chl
0.25246313 CHG
0.26914968 Iran_N
0.40055486 EHG
0.43218706 Iberomaurusian
0.47055798 WHG
0.47206642 WHG
0.57404673 AASI
0.62308985 East_Asian
0.63564715 North_Asian
0.66187921 East_African_HG
0.67507904 Australasian
0.69755256 Amerindian
0.71542117 Amerindian
0.72127929 Melanesian
0.75033319 West_African_HG

celticdragongod
02-22-2024, 06:57 PM
Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.15209878 Yamnaya
0.21792973 ANF
0.24731951 EHG
0.26855780 Iran_Chl
0.28339703 CHG
0.30459966 Natufian
0.32444707 WHG
0.33117991 Iran_N
0.33477902 WHG
0.48202794 Iberomaurusian
0.55859716 AASI
0.61287689 East_Asian
0.62121110 North_Asian
0.66116888 Australasian
0.66580185 Amerindian
0.68380372 Amerindian
0.68540691 East_African_HG
0.70811942 Melanesian
0.77185852 West_African_HG

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 5.3977% / 0.05397701
48.6 Yamnaya
36.2 ANF
15.2 WHG



Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 7.1197% / 0.07119746
46.2 ANF
35.0 EHG
9.6 WHG
9.2 CHG

Athalafuns
02-23-2024, 08:16 AM
Target: RNB27
Distance: 4.4162% / 0.04416165
55.4 ANF
20.0 EHG
11.0 WHG
9.0 CHG
3.6 Iberomaurusian
1.0 Iran_Chl


Target: RNB27
Distance: 3.2791% / 0.03279100
50.8 ANF
32.6 Yamnaya
12.6 WHG
4.0 Iberomaurusian

Beowulf
02-23-2024, 09:51 AM
Paternal Grandfather:

Target: Abuelo_Bartolome_Scaled
Distance: 0.0375% / 0.03752938
56.8 ANF
20.5 EHG
9.8 WHG
7.7 CHG
3.2 Iran_Chl
2.0 Iberomaurusian

Yamnaya added:

Target: Abuelo_Bartolome_Scaled
Distance: 0.0266% / 0.02659734
52.6 ANF
33.4 Yamnaya
11.4 WHG
1.3 Iberomaurusian
1.3 North_Asian

Paternal Grandmother:

Target: Abuela_Josefina_Scaled
Distance: 0.0384% / 0.03841670
59.4 ANF
17.2 EHG
9.1 WHG
7.1 CHG
3.8 Iran_Chl
3.4 Iberomaurusian

Yamnaya added



Target: Abuela_Josefina_Scaled
Distance: 0.0272% / 0.02716943
56.1 ANF
30.2 Yamnaya
9.7 WHG
4.0 Iberomaurusian


Great Grandmother:

Target: Bisabuela_Cristobalina_Scaled
Distance: 0.0409% / 0.04086692
60.3 ANF
15.3 EHG
11.5 WHG
6.9 CHG
4.4 Iran_Chl
1.6 Iberomaurusian


Yamnaya added



Target: Bisabuela_Cristobalina_Scaled
Distance: 0.0310% / 0.03096144
57.8 ANF
28.7 Yamnaya
11.3 WHG
2.2 Iberomaurusian

Rafael Passoni
02-23-2024, 10:28 AM
Target: caesarsalad_scaled
Distance: 3.7814% / 0.03781427
67.0 ANF
14.8 EHG
12.6 CHG
5.6 WHG

Target: caesarsalad_scaled
Distance: 2.7240% / 0.02723952
64.6 ANF
29.0 Yamnaya
5.2 WHG
1.2 CHG

cass
02-23-2024, 12:46 PM
Target: cass
Distance: 6.3159% / 0.06315914
42.8 ANF
34.0 EHG
12.6 WHG
10.6 CHG

Target: cass
Distance: 4.9990% / 0.04999027
46.8 Yamnaya
34.4 ANF
17.6 WHG
1.2 EHG

cass
02-23-2024, 01:06 PM
This WHG seem so extreme that even Scottish and English people are modeled with more EHG than WHG.

Or rather, the people of the steppe fucked up all of Europe.

Katarzyna
02-23-2024, 01:42 PM
Target: cass
Distance: 6.3159% / 0.06315914
42.8 ANF
34.0 EHG
12.6 WHG
10.6 CHG

Target: cass
Distance: 4.9990% / 0.04999027
46.8 Yamnaya
34.4 ANF
17.6 WHG
1.2 EHG

Your ANF is very high for a Pole, cass

Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(real)
Distance: 6.8944% / 0.06894446
39.6 ANF
37.6 EHG
13.0 WHG
9.8 CHG

Kess
02-23-2024, 02:26 PM
127136

majevica
02-23-2024, 02:28 PM
Target: majevica_scaled
Distance: 5.3668% / 0.05366806
50.6 ANF
26.8 EHG
10.8 CHG
8.6 WHG
3.2 Iran_Chl

Target: majevica_scaled
Distance: 4.4548% / 0.04454752
45.8 ANF
43.2 Yamnaya
11.0 WHG

kubilai_alptugh
02-23-2024, 04:19 PM
Target: Kubilay_scaled
Distance: 2.4271% / 0.02427083
30.2 ANF
23.8 Iran_Chl
15.8 CHG
15.0 North_Asian
7.2 EHG
6.8 Natufian
1.2 Amerindian

Target: Kubilay_scaled
Distance: 2.1626% / 0.02162596
28.6 ANF
22.6 Iran_Chl
15.2 North_Asian
13.2 Yamnaya
11.6 CHG
7.6 Natufian
1.2 Amerindian

Balboa
02-25-2024, 06:10 PM
Target: Balboa
Distance: 2.3135% / 0.02313462
79.0 ANF
8.2 EHG
5.4 WHG
4.0 CHG
3.4 Iran_Chl

djipon
02-25-2024, 06:37 PM
Target: djipon_scaled
Distance: 4.6024% / 0.04602443
55.2 ANF
26.6 EHG
12.2 CHG
4.0 Iran_Chl
2.0 WHG

Target: djipon_scaled
Distance: 3.6147% / 0.03614661
50.2 ANF
44.6 Yamnaya
3.8 WHG
1.2 Natufian
0.2 Iran_Chl

tylerkiz
03-02-2024, 01:22 AM
My Yamnaya is always number one in any ancient calculator..no surprises there


Target: TK
Distance: 5.6583% / 0.05658327
45.4 ANF
30.0 EHG
13.8 WHG
10.8 CHG

With Yamnaya


Target: TK
Distance: 4.1189% / 0.04118921
44.4 Yamnaya
37.8 ANF
17.8 WHG