People with highest Yamnaya %?

[Creaticia]

I wonder on the forum (or elsewhere), who has the highest rate of Yamnaya; as well as its physical description, just to see what this population could look like

[Benyzero]

I wonder on the forum (or elsewhere), who has the highest rate of Yamnaya; as well as its physical description, just to see what this population could look like

me

[Creaticia]

me

What %?

[Benyzero]

Almost 50, not sure if I'ts the highest on the forum, probably not. should be close

[Katarzyna]

Give us a calculator so that we can check it. I might be on the higher end because of my low EEF

[Beowulf]

I had this one saved in my laptop if anyone wants to compare:

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 3.1395% / 0.03139546
50.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
39.0 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer





Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer,0.1175998,0.180118,0.00 35312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437


Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0 .089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.34e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Levant_Sidon_MBA,0.0812696,0.1468454,-0.0613196,-0.0979336,-0.0105248,-0.0389334,-0.0047942,-0.0065998,0.0114534,0.0101686,0.0104904,-0.0097712,0.0215854,0.005505,-0.0075734,0.0065234,-0.0001562,-0.0011906,0.0015086,0.004252,0.0042674,0.007543,-0.0012572,0.0015906,-0.0005028


IRN_Seh_Gabi_C,0.0799038,0.1186138,-0.1042362,-0.054264,-0.067151,-0.0124944,0.005499,-0.0086302,-0.0478176,-0.0168748,0.0024684,0.0005096,-0.001427,-0.0011558,0.0034204,0.0170244,-0.0028684,0.0046622,0.0082206,-0.014682,0.0070626,-0.005787,-0.0015282,-0.0162432,0.0072566
ARM_Kura-Araxes_Kaps,0.1007335,0.133034,-0.069956,-0.0431205,-0.0509325,-0.009343,0.009283,-0.0119995,-0.0674925,-0.016857,0.0038975,0.0128885,-0.019623,0.0059865,0.0041395,-0.0096125,-0.0001305,-0.0031035,-0.000754,0.0010005,0.0038685,0.0009895,-0.0036975,-0.008073,-0.001497




Western_Hunter_Gatherer,0.1246365,0.116278,0.18478 9,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675 ,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045




Ancient_Ancestral_South_Indian:"Onge",-0.0225251,-0.2445288,-0.1324289,0.095965,0.0299327,-0.0047557,-0.0076438,0.0075786,0.0548233,0.0244388,0.023495,0 .0032182,-0.0040608,0.0084746,-0.0126933,-0.0111446,0.010918,-0.0016203,-0.0059807,0.0288295,-0.0037107,0.0096905,-0.0128242,-0.0011225,0.0043426
Mongolia_North_N,0.0237403,-0.4314549,0.0890541,-0.0247326,-0.0815536,-0.0521129,0.0134964,0.0145379,0.0179981,0.020098,-0.029346,-0.0013709,0.0013593,-0.0051314,-0.0056033,-0.0039967,0.0038743,0.0006154,0.0038967,0.020331,-0.0196439,-0.0037801,-0.0166207,-0.0061969,0.0076981


Iberomaurusian_Taforalt_Morocco_12550bc,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534


East_African_Nilotic_Dinka:,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995


West_African,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246

[Katarzyna]

I had this one saved in my laptop if anyone wants to compare:




Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer,0.1175998,0.180118,0.00 35312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437


Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0 .089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.34e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Levant_Sidon_MBA,0.0812696,0.1468454,-0.0613196,-0.0979336,-0.0105248,-0.0389334,-0.0047942,-0.0065998,0.0114534,0.0101686,0.0104904,-0.0097712,0.0215854,0.005505,-0.0075734,0.0065234,-0.0001562,-0.0011906,0.0015086,0.004252,0.0042674,0.007543,-0.0012572,0.0015906,-0.0005028


IRN_Seh_Gabi_C,0.0799038,0.1186138,-0.1042362,-0.054264,-0.067151,-0.0124944,0.005499,-0.0086302,-0.0478176,-0.0168748,0.0024684,0.0005096,-0.001427,-0.0011558,0.0034204,0.0170244,-0.0028684,0.0046622,0.0082206,-0.014682,0.0070626,-0.005787,-0.0015282,-0.0162432,0.0072566
ARM_Kura-Araxes_Kaps,0.1007335,0.133034,-0.069956,-0.0431205,-0.0509325,-0.009343,0.009283,-0.0119995,-0.0674925,-0.016857,0.0038975,0.0128885,-0.019623,0.0059865,0.0041395,-0.0096125,-0.0001305,-0.0031035,-0.000754,0.0010005,0.0038685,0.0009895,-0.0036975,-0.008073,-0.001497




Western_Hunter_Gatherer,0.1246365,0.116278,0.18478 9,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675 ,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045




Ancient_Ancestral_South_Indian:"Onge",-0.0225251,-0.2445288,-0.1324289,0.095965,0.0299327,-0.0047557,-0.0076438,0.0075786,0.0548233,0.0244388,0.023495,0 .0032182,-0.0040608,0.0084746,-0.0126933,-0.0111446,0.010918,-0.0016203,-0.0059807,0.0288295,-0.0037107,0.0096905,-0.0128242,-0.0011225,0.0043426
Mongolia_North_N,0.0237403,-0.4314549,0.0890541,-0.0247326,-0.0815536,-0.0521129,0.0134964,0.0145379,0.0179981,0.020098,-0.029346,-0.0013709,0.0013593,-0.0051314,-0.0056033,-0.0039967,0.0038743,0.0006154,0.0038967,0.020331,-0.0196439,-0.0037801,-0.0166207,-0.0061969,0.0076981


Iberomaurusian_Taforalt_Morocco_12550bc,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534


East_African_Nilotic_Dinka:,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995


West_African,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246


Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(real)
Distance: 6.2392% / 0.06239208
52.2 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
30.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
17.6 WHG

Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics)
Distance: 5.8980% / 0.05897991
55.0 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
16.2 WHG
0.2 Mongolia_North_N

[Vessna]

Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 7.6395% / 0.07639457
53.8 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
29.8 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
16.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

I’ll get my ancestry DNA results soon, I assume I’d get different coordinates as well.

[Benyzero]

I don't have gay25 unfortunately

[Leto]

Target: Leto_scaled
Distance: 6.1497% / 0.06149726
53.0 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
14.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
4.6 Mongolia_North_N

[Vessna]

Target: Leto_scaled
Distance: 6.1497% / 0.06149726
53.0Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.2Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
14.2Western_Hunter_Gatherer
4.6Mongolia_North_N

Northern Russian?

Very similar to my husband’s results:

Target: VH_scaled
Distance: 6.6440% / 0.06644033
53.6 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
22.6Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
19.0Western_Hunter_Gatherer
4.8Mongolia_North_N

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[majevica]

Target: majevica_scaled
Distance: 4.5267% / 0.04526650
46.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
44.0 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

[cass]

It depends on which Yamnaya


Target: Latvian
Distance: 7.5688% / 0.07568798
70.4 Bulgaria_EBA_Yamnaya
19.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
10.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer



Target: Lithuanian_South_Zemaitija
Distance: 7.5733% / 0.07573280
70.0 Bulgaria_EBA_Yamnaya
19.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
10.8 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer

Target: Estonian
Distance: 6.6597% / 0.06659651
69.0 Bulgaria_EBA_Yamnaya
18.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
12.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
0.2 Mongolia_North_N



Target: Udmurt
Distance: 6.4654% / 0.06465436
60.0 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
23.6 Mongolia_North_N
11.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
5.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer


Target: Latvian
Distance: 8.3285% / 0.08328543
57.0 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
21.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer


Target: Russian_Arkhangelsk_Leshukonsky
Distance: 6.6244% / 0.06624425
56.6 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
15.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
12.4 Mongolia_North_N

[Vessna]

It depends on which Yamnaya


Target: Latvian
Distance: 7.5688% / 0.07568798
70.4Bulgaria_EBA_Yamnaya
19.4Western_Hunter_Gatherer
10.2Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer



Target: Lithuanian_South_Zemaitija
Distance: 7.5733% / 0.07573280
70.0Bulgaria_EBA_Yamnaya
19.2Western_Hunter_Gatherer
10.8Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer

Target: Estonian
Distance: 6.6597% / 0.06659651
69.0Bulgaria_EBA_Yamnaya
18.4Western_Hunter_Gatherer
12.4Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
0.2Mongolia_North_N



Target: Udmurt
Distance: 6.4654% / 0.06465436
60.0Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
23.6Mongolia_North_N
11.0Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
5.4Western_Hunter_Gatherer


Target: Latvian
Distance: 8.3285% / 0.08328543
57.0Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.6Western_Hunter_Gatherer
21.4Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer


Target: Russian_Arkhangelsk_Leshukonsky
Distance: 6.6244% / 0.06624425
56.6Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.6Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
15.4Western_Hunter_Gatherer
12.4Mongolia_North_N

What’s the difference between the two?

[cass]

What’s the difference between the two?


I think that the Serbian and Bulgarian samples are already a bit Neolithic.

You can paste all of them and see the average result.


Yamnaya:Kazakhstan_EBA_Yamnaya.SG,0.120652,0.08124 2,0.039975,0.10756,-0.020927,0.047411,-0.00282,-0.00923,-0.054608,-0.068339,-0.00682,-0.00045,-0.003122,-0.026699,0.036509,0.015248,0.004042,-0.005828,-0.011816,0.006128,-0.005865,-0.00136,0.008258,0.028317,-0.013771
Yamnaya:Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1160993,0.08 05653,0.028661,0.1088517,-0.0370323,0.040718,0.0054053,-0.005769,-0.06013,-0.073502,-0.0008663,-0.006794,-0.0014867,-0.0231667,0.033342,0.0069833,-0.0125167,-0.002534,-0.0077517,0.003835,0.000416,0.0074607,0.0072717,0. 012652,-0.0059077
Yamnaya:Russia_Kalmykia_EBA_Yamnaya.SG,0.1149612,0 .0907884,0.0470648,0.1136324,-0.0290516,0.04122,0.004418,-0.0036458,-0.0538714,-0.0756278,-0.000682,0.0007494,-0.0022298,-0.0237536,0.0281486,0.0124634,0.002008,-0.0013936,0,0.01023,-0.0047666,-0.0015084,0.014987,0.0215934,-0.0040954
Yamnaya:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1258378,0.0892 539,0.0429079,0.1154556,-0.0278684,0.0446846,0.0044911,-0.0029487,-0.0548579,-0.0729957,0.0018583,0.0003497,-0.0016518,-0.0236099,0.0372629,0.015734,1e-07,-0.001478,-0.001704,0.0125059,-0.0031197,0.001374,0.0112292,0.0184362,-0.0045237
Yamnaya:Serbia_EBA_Yamnaya,0.127482,0.097491,0.043 746,0.081719,-0.013541,0.039602,0.028671,0.002077,-0.036405,-0.066698,-0.000487,-0.001948,-0.007582,-0.017065,0.030673,0.029435,0.009518,-0.006208,-0.008296,0.014257,-0.011355,-0.014096,0.009983,0.032896,-0.010418
Yamnaya:Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1200835,0.0913975,0. 04714,0.1077215,-0.040469,0.0403,0.00564,0.0074995,-0.0572665,-0.078453,-0.0010555,0.0072685,0.005575,-0.0164455,0.021376,0.0088835,-0.008149,-0.0002535,0.00132,0.0098795,-0.0064885,0.010387,0.006039,0.020304,-0.0045505
Yamnaya:Bulgaria_EBA_Yamnaya,0.123498,0.1051075,0. 039598,0.0812345,-0.005078,0.0368135,0.0092825,0.0043845,-0.0416205,-0.0496595,0.0001625,-0.002248,0.001338,-0.016033,0.0215115,0.008486,-0.009844,-0.002407,0.0022,0.0080665,-0.004118,-0.010634,0.009798,0.0098205,0.005029

[Kess]

As a R1b-z2103 male, I am paternally direct descendant of Yamnaya, and that’s the most important.

[cass]

As a R1b-z2103 male, I am paternally direct descendant of Yamnaya, and that’s the most important.

Honorary Aryan

[Kess]

Honorary Aryan

It’s not honorary. It’s in the blood.

[Kess]

Target: kesseras_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.5508% / 0.01550806
47.2 ARM_Kura-Araxes_Kaps
20.4 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.6 Levant_Sidon_MBA
11.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
6.2 Mongolia_North_N
0.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

[celticdragongod]

I had this one saved in my laptop if anyone wants to compare:

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 3.1395% / 0.03139546
50.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
39.0 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer





Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer,0.1175998,0.180118,0.00 35312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437


Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0 .089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.34e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Levant_Sidon_MBA,0.0812696,0.1468454,-0.0613196,-0.0979336,-0.0105248,-0.0389334,-0.0047942,-0.0065998,0.0114534,0.0101686,0.0104904,-0.0097712,0.0215854,0.005505,-0.0075734,0.0065234,-0.0001562,-0.0011906,0.0015086,0.004252,0.0042674,0.007543,-0.0012572,0.0015906,-0.0005028


IRN_Seh_Gabi_C,0.0799038,0.1186138,-0.1042362,-0.054264,-0.067151,-0.0124944,0.005499,-0.0086302,-0.0478176,-0.0168748,0.0024684,0.0005096,-0.001427,-0.0011558,0.0034204,0.0170244,-0.0028684,0.0046622,0.0082206,-0.014682,0.0070626,-0.005787,-0.0015282,-0.0162432,0.0072566
ARM_Kura-Araxes_Kaps,0.1007335,0.133034,-0.069956,-0.0431205,-0.0509325,-0.009343,0.009283,-0.0119995,-0.0674925,-0.016857,0.0038975,0.0128885,-0.019623,0.0059865,0.0041395,-0.0096125,-0.0001305,-0.0031035,-0.000754,0.0010005,0.0038685,0.0009895,-0.0036975,-0.008073,-0.001497




Western_Hunter_Gatherer,0.1246365,0.116278,0.18478 9,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675 ,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045




Ancient_Ancestral_South_Indian:"Onge",-0.0225251,-0.2445288,-0.1324289,0.095965,0.0299327,-0.0047557,-0.0076438,0.0075786,0.0548233,0.0244388,0.023495,0 .0032182,-0.0040608,0.0084746,-0.0126933,-0.0111446,0.010918,-0.0016203,-0.0059807,0.0288295,-0.0037107,0.0096905,-0.0128242,-0.0011225,0.0043426
Mongolia_North_N,0.0237403,-0.4314549,0.0890541,-0.0247326,-0.0815536,-0.0521129,0.0134964,0.0145379,0.0179981,0.020098,-0.029346,-0.0013709,0.0013593,-0.0051314,-0.0056033,-0.0039967,0.0038743,0.0006154,0.0038967,0.020331,-0.0196439,-0.0037801,-0.0166207,-0.0061969,0.0076981


Iberomaurusian_Taforalt_Morocco_12550bc,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534


East_African_Nilotic_Dinka:,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995


West_African,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.15183176 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.21024848 ARM_Kura-Araxes_Kaps
0.21790130 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
0.22264233 Levant_Sidon_MBA
0.24583364 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
0.33306373 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
0.46633849 Ancient_Ancestral_South_Indian:Onge
0.48349269 Iberomaurusian_Taforalt_Morocco_12550bc
0.60245303 Mongolia_North_N
0.73679247 East_African_Nilotic_Dinka:
0.77737849 West_African

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 5.4104% / 0.05410361
50.0 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
13.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

[Kess]

I think that the Serbian and Bulgarian samples are already a bit Neolithic.

You can paste all of them and see the average result.

Target: kesseras_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.3702% / 0.01370165
47.4 ARM_Kura-Araxes_Kaps
24.2 Yamnaya
13.4 Levant_Sidon_MBA
8.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
6.2 Mongolia_North_N
0.2 Ancient_Ancestral_South_Indian

[Not a Cop]

Target: Not_A_Cop
Distance: 5.8835% / 0.05883516
57.6 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
25.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
15.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
1.8 Mongolia_North_N

[Creaticia]

https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculateur/2/g25-calculatrice-standard-global25-par-davids.htm
Davidski on G25 Calculator.

[Creaticia]

Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 7.6395% / 0.07639457
53.8 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
29.8 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
16.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

I’ll get my ancestry DNA results soon, I assume I’d get different coordinates as well.

It's a lot, similar of Northeastern Europe populations

[Creaticia]

Target: Not_A_Cop
Distance: 5.8835% / 0.05883516
57.6 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
25.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
15.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
1.8 Mongolia_North_N

For the moment you have the highest Yamnaya rate

[Julkka]

Target: Julkka_scaled
Distance: 6.0421% / 0.06042122
50.0 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
22.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
20.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
7.4 Mongolia_North_N

[kingmob]

Imagine thinking distances of 5%+ have any validity.

Also, if you are not R1b-Z2103*, like kessaras, you are a LARP.

[Voskos]

Around the black sea, and the Balkans, even Turkey, Armenia, Kurds and the Levant , have the highest Yamnaya among all populations.

[ScandinavianCelt]

This is all you need for Samara test:

TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N,0.1181049,0.1812478,0.0024244 ,-0.100484,0.0518483,-0.0468005,-0.0050917,-0.0071866,0.0366683,0.081182,0.0085293,0.0118038,-0.0232901,0.0009437,-0.0412654,-0.009155,0.0223267,0.0006696,0.0116241,-0.0095938,-0.0132444,0.0059706,-0.0044663,-0.0033969,-0.0055028
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.34e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
France_Rochedane:Rochedane,0.117238,0.112724,0.170 836,0.191217,0.149874,0.04769,0.010575,0.035306,0. 083241,0.034989,-0.013641,-0.020082,0.008622,0.00523,0.054831,0.066427,0.0087 36,0.014569,-0.021369,0.051775,0.094084,0.018672,-0.055092,-0.168217,0.010658


Try it out.

Samara-only:

Target: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
Distance: 4.6642% / 0.04664193
52.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.4 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
12.0 France_Rochedane


If you add all Ancient Yamnaya Pop Ave to the above instead of only Samara, results will change for some, so depends what you are measuring I guess.

My Yamnaya goes up to 66.8% if adding all averaged samples:

All Yamnaya:

Target: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
Distance: 4.1412% / 0.04141192
34.8 Yamnaya_BGR
22.2 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
17.2 Yamnaya_KAZ_Karagash
11.0 France_Rochedane
10.0 Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke
4.8 Yamnaya_SRB

Additional samples for full Yamnaya:

Yamnaya_BGR,0.113823,0.123895,0.034318,0.040375,0. 003693,0.012829,0.003055,0.001615,-0.02127,-0.014579,0.005846,0.003897,-0.014271,0.00867,0.011401,-0.013524,-0.005998,0.000253,-0.000628,-0.004752,0.004742,0.005441,-0.002588,-0.000482,0.001197
Yamnaya_KAZ_Karagash,0.122929,0.08632,0.039598,0.1 0756,-0.020619,0.046854,0.000705,-0.010384,-0.059107,-0.070525,-0.00682,0.002698,-0.005798,-0.027525,0.040445,0.0179,0.002868,-0.005954,-0.006662,0.009379,-0.011105,-0.003833,0.008874,0.026269,-0.00958
Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke,0.1161,0.073118,0.040729,0.1178 96,-0.032929,0.059961,-0.00517,-0.003,-0.052972,-0.080548,0.002436,-0.006744,0.001933,-0.027662,0.034473,0.008751,-0.021122,-0.004814,0.002388,0.014632,0.000499,0.006059,0.018 117,0.016629,-0.004071
Yamnaya_RUS_Caucasus,0.1143922,0.0817502,0.02687,0 .1072365,-0.0412385,0.0389052,0.001704,-0.0082498,-0.0637605,-0.0773138,-0.0016645,-0.005208,-0.0013378,-0.023602,0.034371,0.0076903,-0.0083445,-0.001425,-0.005185,0.0069408,-0.0024332,0.0033078,0.005115,0.0127125,-0.0052988
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia,0.115189,0.092007,0.0465368,0 .1129864,-0.0276358,0.0420566,0.004371,-0.003646,-0.0539944,-0.0743522,-0.000942,0.0004496,-0.001011,-0.023616,0.0278496,0.0116148,0.0012254,-0.002559,0.0007542,0.0102548,-0.0042426,0.0005688,0.016244,0.0230152,-0.0035446
Yamnaya_SRB,0.127482,0.099522,0.042992,0.082042,-0.014464,0.03765,0.028436,0.002077,-0.038041,-0.068339,-0.001624,-0.002098,-0.009366,-0.019542,0.028637,0.026783,0.010561,-0.007728,-0.007039,0.012756,-0.011105,-0.013478,0.008751,0.030727,-0.010059
Yamnaya_UKR,0.119514,0.0873355,0.0452545,0.1106285 ,-0.028313,0.042531,0.00846,-0.003461,-0.0521535,-0.0707985,0.0002435,0.004421,-0.0043115,-0.0202305,0.0323015,0.0107395,-0.0002605,-0.011529,-0.005531,0.002376,-0.0028075,0.0004325,-0.009367,0.0192795,0.0031135
Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o,0.1161,0.099522,0.000754,0.043 605,-0.028005,0.016176,0.00611,0.001615,-0.04745,-0.039181,-0.00065,0.005395,-0.003419,-0.008395,0.020765,0.01432,0.009388,-0.003167,-0.002011,0.00988,-0.005865,0.004946,-0.003204,0.005061,0.002754

[kingmob]

Let's get some things straight, free of charge.

1) Firstly, the only surviving Yamnaya languages to this day are three: Albanian, Armenian and Greek.

The rest of you IE-speakers are Corded-Ware (GER) intermediates. This is the population you should try to model yourself with and not Yamnaya/Catacomb.

2) Secondly, anything above 3% in your distance% might as well be thrown in the trash, given the proximity of the PCA clustering. And no, your 'balto-slavic drift' is not a thing, it's a mere excuse davidski came up with for his dimensional manipulation to cluster you, eastern euros, where you are. No such 'drift' exists in f-stats.

3) Lastly, if you are not R1b-Z2103*, stop LARPing as Yamnaya, it's the equivalent of someone bragging how much his own bloodline was cucked by foreign/invading lineages, it's cringe. Better focus on your own ancestral populations (see Corded Ware example above).

[Voskos]

Lol@people constantly larping something they're not. Eastern Hunter gatherer =/= Yamnaya =/= Corded Ware =/= WHG =/= generic steppe ancestry.

[ScandinavianCelt]

Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(real)
Distance: 6.2392% / 0.06239208
52.2 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
30.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
17.6 WHG

Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics)
Distance: 5.8980% / 0.05897991
55.0 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
16.2 WHG
0.2 Mongolia_North_N


Target: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
Distance: 4.5204% / 0.04520403
52.2 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
12.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

[kingmob]

If you are Greek/Albanian/Armenian and you want to measure your autosomals in comparison to the ancestral population of your Yamnaya-speaking linguistic ancestors, the following are relatively good proxies:

Bulgaria_EBA_Yamnaya for Greeks and Albanians.

Armenia_Lchashen_LBA for Armenians (or generic Armenia_EBA secondly).

[Dušan]

I had this one saved in my laptop if anyone wants to compare:

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 3.1395% / 0.03139546
50.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
39.0 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer





Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer,0.1175998,0.180118,0.00 35312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437


Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0 .089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.34e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
Levant_Sidon_MBA,0.0812696,0.1468454,-0.0613196,-0.0979336,-0.0105248,-0.0389334,-0.0047942,-0.0065998,0.0114534,0.0101686,0.0104904,-0.0097712,0.0215854,0.005505,-0.0075734,0.0065234,-0.0001562,-0.0011906,0.0015086,0.004252,0.0042674,0.007543,-0.0012572,0.0015906,-0.0005028


IRN_Seh_Gabi_C,0.0799038,0.1186138,-0.1042362,-0.054264,-0.067151,-0.0124944,0.005499,-0.0086302,-0.0478176,-0.0168748,0.0024684,0.0005096,-0.001427,-0.0011558,0.0034204,0.0170244,-0.0028684,0.0046622,0.0082206,-0.014682,0.0070626,-0.005787,-0.0015282,-0.0162432,0.0072566
ARM_Kura-Araxes_Kaps,0.1007335,0.133034,-0.069956,-0.0431205,-0.0509325,-0.009343,0.009283,-0.0119995,-0.0674925,-0.016857,0.0038975,0.0128885,-0.019623,0.0059865,0.0041395,-0.0096125,-0.0001305,-0.0031035,-0.000754,0.0010005,0.0038685,0.0009895,-0.0036975,-0.008073,-0.001497




Western_Hunter_Gatherer,0.1246365,0.116278,0.18478 9,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675 ,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045




Ancient_Ancestral_South_Indian:"Onge",-0.0225251,-0.2445288,-0.1324289,0.095965,0.0299327,-0.0047557,-0.0076438,0.0075786,0.0548233,0.0244388,0.023495,0 .0032182,-0.0040608,0.0084746,-0.0126933,-0.0111446,0.010918,-0.0016203,-0.0059807,0.0288295,-0.0037107,0.0096905,-0.0128242,-0.0011225,0.0043426
Mongolia_North_N,0.0237403,-0.4314549,0.0890541,-0.0247326,-0.0815536,-0.0521129,0.0134964,0.0145379,0.0179981,0.020098,-0.029346,-0.0013709,0.0013593,-0.0051314,-0.0056033,-0.0039967,0.0038743,0.0006154,0.0038967,0.020331,-0.0196439,-0.0037801,-0.0166207,-0.0061969,0.0076981


Iberomaurusian_Taforalt_Morocco_12550bc,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534


East_African_Nilotic_Dinka:,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995


West_African,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 5.8347% / 0.05834668
47.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
43.2 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

[celticdragongod]

This is all you need for Samara test:

TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N,0.1181049,0.1812478,0.0024244 ,-0.100484,0.0518483,-0.0468005,-0.0050917,-0.0071866,0.0366683,0.081182,0.0085293,0.0118038,-0.0232901,0.0009437,-0.0412654,-0.009155,0.0223267,0.0006696,0.0116241,-0.0095938,-0.0132444,0.0059706,-0.0044663,-0.0033969,-0.0055028
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.34e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
France_Rochedane:Rochedane,0.117238,0.112724,0.170 836,0.191217,0.149874,0.04769,0.010575,0.035306,0. 083241,0.034989,-0.013641,-0.020082,0.008622,0.00523,0.054831,0.066427,0.0087 36,0.014569,-0.021369,0.051775,0.094084,0.018672,-0.055092,-0.168217,0.010658


Try it out.

Samara-only:

Target: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
Distance: 4.6642% / 0.04664193
52.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.4 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
12.0 France_Rochedane


If you add all Ancient Yamnaya Pop Ave to the above instead of only Samara, results will change for some, so depends what you are measuring I guess.

My Yamnaya goes up to 66.8% if adding all averaged samples:

All Yamnaya:

Target: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
Distance: 4.1412% / 0.04141192
34.8 Yamnaya_BGR
22.2 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
17.2 Yamnaya_KAZ_Karagash
11.0 France_Rochedane
10.0 Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke
4.8 Yamnaya_SRB

Additional samples for full Yamnaya:

Yamnaya_BGR,0.113823,0.123895,0.034318,0.040375,0. 003693,0.012829,0.003055,0.001615,-0.02127,-0.014579,0.005846,0.003897,-0.014271,0.00867,0.011401,-0.013524,-0.005998,0.000253,-0.000628,-0.004752,0.004742,0.005441,-0.002588,-0.000482,0.001197
Yamnaya_KAZ_Karagash,0.122929,0.08632,0.039598,0.1 0756,-0.020619,0.046854,0.000705,-0.010384,-0.059107,-0.070525,-0.00682,0.002698,-0.005798,-0.027525,0.040445,0.0179,0.002868,-0.005954,-0.006662,0.009379,-0.011105,-0.003833,0.008874,0.026269,-0.00958
Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke,0.1161,0.073118,0.040729,0.1178 96,-0.032929,0.059961,-0.00517,-0.003,-0.052972,-0.080548,0.002436,-0.006744,0.001933,-0.027662,0.034473,0.008751,-0.021122,-0.004814,0.002388,0.014632,0.000499,0.006059,0.018 117,0.016629,-0.004071
Yamnaya_RUS_Caucasus,0.1143922,0.0817502,0.02687,0 .1072365,-0.0412385,0.0389052,0.001704,-0.0082498,-0.0637605,-0.0773138,-0.0016645,-0.005208,-0.0013378,-0.023602,0.034371,0.0076903,-0.0083445,-0.001425,-0.005185,0.0069408,-0.0024332,0.0033078,0.005115,0.0127125,-0.0052988
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia,0.115189,0.092007,0.0465368,0 .1129864,-0.0276358,0.0420566,0.004371,-0.003646,-0.0539944,-0.0743522,-0.000942,0.0004496,-0.001011,-0.023616,0.0278496,0.0116148,0.0012254,-0.002559,0.0007542,0.0102548,-0.0042426,0.0005688,0.016244,0.0230152,-0.0035446
Yamnaya_SRB,0.127482,0.099522,0.042992,0.082042,-0.014464,0.03765,0.028436,0.002077,-0.038041,-0.068339,-0.001624,-0.002098,-0.009366,-0.019542,0.028637,0.026783,0.010561,-0.007728,-0.007039,0.012756,-0.011105,-0.013478,0.008751,0.030727,-0.010059
Yamnaya_UKR,0.119514,0.0873355,0.0452545,0.1106285 ,-0.028313,0.042531,0.00846,-0.003461,-0.0521535,-0.0707985,0.0002435,0.004421,-0.0043115,-0.0202305,0.0323015,0.0107395,-0.0002605,-0.011529,-0.005531,0.002376,-0.0028075,0.0004325,-0.009367,0.0192795,0.0031135
Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o,0.1161,0.099522,0.000754,0.043 605,-0.028005,0.016176,0.00611,0.001615,-0.04745,-0.039181,-0.00065,0.005395,-0.003419,-0.008395,0.020765,0.01432,0.009388,-0.003167,-0.002011,0.00988,-0.005865,0.004946,-0.003204,0.005061,0.002754

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.15183176 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.20688415 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.21733792 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
0.33477902 France_Rochedane:Rochedane

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 5.6267% / 0.05626659
50.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.6 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
12.6 France_Rochedane

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.07207103 Yamnaya_BGR
0.12604143 Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o
0.12621757 Yamnaya_SRB
0.14768153 Yamnaya_UKR
0.14862077 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia
0.15046624 Yamnaya_KAZ_Karagash
0.15183176 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.16476648 Yamnaya_RUS_Caucasus
0.16733696 Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke
0.20688415 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.21733792 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
0.33477902 France_Rochedane:Rochedane

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 5.3324% / 0.05332388
27.8 Yamnaya_SRB
25.6 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
22.8 Yamnaya_BGR
12.0 France_Rochedane:Rochedane
11.8 Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke

[Voskos]

If you are Greek/Albanian/Armenian and you want to measure your autosomals in comparison to the ancestral population of your Yamnaya-speaking linguistic ancestors, the following are relatively good proxies:

Bulgaria_EBA_Yamnaya for Greeks and Albanians.

Armenia_Lchashen_LBA for Armenians (or generic Armenia_EBA secondly).

34% Yamna, not bad for an island GreeK.

Target:
Distance: 2.0375% / 0.02037468
34.0 Greece_Manika_Helladic_EBA.SG
26.0 Armenia_Lchashen_LBA
14.0 Israel_Natufian
8.4 Bulgaria_EBA_Yamnaya
8.4 Czech_CordedWare
6.0 Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG
2.8 Estonia_BA.SG
0.4 Iran_GanjDareh_N

[Rafael Passoni]

Target: caesarsalad_scaled
Distance: 2.6428% / 0.02642777
65.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
30.6 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

[kingmob]

34% Yamna, not bad for an island GreeK.




99% of these calculators floating around are for the trash bin. I could demonstrate using f-stats, but I cba and I also think most people wouldn't get it either due to bias/cognitive dissonance. If anyone is genuinely interested in figuring it out, they should start with my admixtools tutorial on this website.

I hope yours are adjusted accordingly for the future, the least people can do is pick the correct ancestral populations for their own geographical group.

[Vessna]

Imagine thinking distances of 5%+ have any validity.

Also, if you are not R1b-Z2103*, like kessaras, you are a LARP.

lol why are you so triggered

[kingmob]

lol why are you so triggered


Projecting much?

My posts are a tough pill for you to swallow, I know.

[Vessna]

Projecting much?

My posts are a tough pill for you to swallow, I know.

I could care less about Yamnaya, don’t understand the obsession with steppe ancestry. For all I know they looked very swarthy. But you seem to be triggered by the fact that calculators and distances are not right etc. Post your own I am sure people would do it.

[kingmob]

I could care less about Yamnaya, don’t understand the obsession with steppe ancestry. For all I know they looked very swarthy. But you seem to be triggered by the fact that calculators and distances are not right etc. Post your own I am sure people would do it.


You are conflating your own ego and hurt fee fees (main character syndrome/delusion) with my own intentions to educate the people on the literature findings and methodology.

I am waiting to hear about your criticisms on my points, which are completely independent and irrelevant to my autosomal make-up, I could care less about your attempts of psycho-analyzing me.

[cass]

This is all you need for Samara test:

TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,0.108701,0.1731478,-0.0143308,-0.100534,0.0270818,-0.0402298,-0.0045828,-0.005019,0.02623,0.05745,0.008444,0.0080555,-0.0101832,0.0052298,-0.0352192,-0.0104748,0.0088662,0.0004432,0.005342,-0.0032828,0.0026827,0.0044515,-0.0071795,-0.0038258,-0.0045805
TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N,0.1181049,0.1812478,0.0024244 ,-0.100484,0.0518483,-0.0468005,-0.0050917,-0.0071866,0.0366683,0.081182,0.0085293,0.0118038,-0.0232901,0.0009437,-0.0412654,-0.009155,0.0223267,0.0006696,0.0116241,-0.0095938,-0.0132444,0.0059706,-0.0044663,-0.0033969,-0.0055028
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.34e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
France_Rochedane:Rochedane,0.117238,0.112724,0.170 836,0.191217,0.149874,0.04769,0.010575,0.035306,0. 083241,0.034989,-0.013641,-0.020082,0.008622,0.00523,0.054831,0.066427,0.0087 36,0.014569,-0.021369,0.051775,0.094084,0.018672,-0.055092,-0.168217,0.010658


Try it out.

Samara-only:

Target: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
Distance: 4.6642% / 0.04664193
52.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.4 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
12.0 France_Rochedane


If you add all Ancient Yamnaya Pop Ave to the above instead of only Samara, results will change for some, so depends what you are measuring I guess.

My Yamnaya goes up to 66.8% if adding all averaged samples:

All Yamnaya:

Target: Brad_AncestryDNA_Scaled_Official
Distance: 4.1412% / 0.04141192
34.8 Yamnaya_BGR
22.2 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
17.2 Yamnaya_KAZ_Karagash
11.0 France_Rochedane
10.0 Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke
4.8 Yamnaya_SRB

Additional samples for full Yamnaya:

Yamnaya_BGR,0.113823,0.123895,0.034318,0.040375,0. 003693,0.012829,0.003055,0.001615,-0.02127,-0.014579,0.005846,0.003897,-0.014271,0.00867,0.011401,-0.013524,-0.005998,0.000253,-0.000628,-0.004752,0.004742,0.005441,-0.002588,-0.000482,0.001197
Yamnaya_KAZ_Karagash,0.122929,0.08632,0.039598,0.1 0756,-0.020619,0.046854,0.000705,-0.010384,-0.059107,-0.070525,-0.00682,0.002698,-0.005798,-0.027525,0.040445,0.0179,0.002868,-0.005954,-0.006662,0.009379,-0.011105,-0.003833,0.008874,0.026269,-0.00958
Yamnaya_KAZ_Mereke,0.1161,0.073118,0.040729,0.1178 96,-0.032929,0.059961,-0.00517,-0.003,-0.052972,-0.080548,0.002436,-0.006744,0.001933,-0.027662,0.034473,0.008751,-0.021122,-0.004814,0.002388,0.014632,0.000499,0.006059,0.018 117,0.016629,-0.004071
Yamnaya_RUS_Caucasus,0.1143922,0.0817502,0.02687,0 .1072365,-0.0412385,0.0389052,0.001704,-0.0082498,-0.0637605,-0.0773138,-0.0016645,-0.005208,-0.0013378,-0.023602,0.034371,0.0076903,-0.0083445,-0.001425,-0.005185,0.0069408,-0.0024332,0.0033078,0.005115,0.0127125,-0.0052988
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia,0.115189,0.092007,0.0465368,0 .1129864,-0.0276358,0.0420566,0.004371,-0.003646,-0.0539944,-0.0743522,-0.000942,0.0004496,-0.001011,-0.023616,0.0278496,0.0116148,0.0012254,-0.002559,0.0007542,0.0102548,-0.0042426,0.0005688,0.016244,0.0230152,-0.0035446
Yamnaya_SRB,0.127482,0.099522,0.042992,0.082042,-0.014464,0.03765,0.028436,0.002077,-0.038041,-0.068339,-0.001624,-0.002098,-0.009366,-0.019542,0.028637,0.026783,0.010561,-0.007728,-0.007039,0.012756,-0.011105,-0.013478,0.008751,0.030727,-0.010059
Yamnaya_UKR,0.119514,0.0873355,0.0452545,0.1106285 ,-0.028313,0.042531,0.00846,-0.003461,-0.0521535,-0.0707985,0.0002435,0.004421,-0.0043115,-0.0202305,0.0323015,0.0107395,-0.0002605,-0.011529,-0.005531,0.002376,-0.0028075,0.0004325,-0.009367,0.0192795,0.0031135
Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o,0.1161,0.099522,0.000754,0.043 605,-0.028005,0.016176,0.00611,0.001615,-0.04745,-0.039181,-0.00065,0.005395,-0.003419,-0.008395,0.020765,0.01432,0.009388,-0.003167,-0.002011,0.00988,-0.005865,0.004946,-0.003204,0.005061,0.002754

Target: cass
Distance: 5.4424% / 0.05442391
50.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
34.4 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
15.4 France_Rochedane

Target: cass
Distance: 4.8498% / 0.04849828
40.2 Yamnaya_BGR
29.4 Yamnaya_SRB
16.4 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
14.0 France_Rochedane

[tk'es]

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 4.0211% / 0.04021120
57.4 ARM_Kura-Araxes_Kaps
26.8 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
4.2 Levant_Sidon_MBA
4.2 Mongolia_North_N



primarily kura-araxes culture, my yamnaya is insignificant

https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/kura-araxes.jpg

[Vessna]

You are conflating your own ego and hurt fee fees (main character syndrome/delusion) with my own intentions to educate the people on the literature findings and methodology.

I am waiting to hear about your criticisms on my points, which are completely independent and irrelevant to my autosomal make-up, I could care less about your attempts of psycho-analyzing me.

People that can hurt my feelings are not on TA :)
You’re taking this forum way too seriously.
If you think that these calculators are not correct, post the correct way of calculating the percentage of steppe ancestry instead of just assuming that people would be too biased to do it.

[Voskos]

Anyway we got the data. Slavs are right there in between wogs and westerners in terms of yamnaya rank. What differentiates the slavs is high WHG type ancestry, not specifically yamnaya.

https://i0.wp.com/www.norwegianamerican.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/HaakEtAlpage23Crop.jpg

[kingmob]

If you think that these calculators are not correct, post the correct way of calculating the percentage of steppe ancestry


My posts <----------


Your head <---------



Now, you can stop pestering me, shoo.

[Vessna]

Anyway we got the data. Slavs are right there in between wogs and westerners in terms of yamnaya rank. What differentiates the slavs is high WHG type ancestry, not specifically yamnaya.

https://i0.wp.com/www.norwegianamerican.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/HaakEtAlpage23Crop.jpg

How are Belarusians in between wogs and westerners? English and French have less yamnaya according to this chart.

[Vessna]

My posts <----------


Your head <---------



Now, you can stop pestering me, shoo.

Link your post for people to read and educate themselves instead of just boosting your ego by insulting others


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Voskos]

You are conflating your own ego and hurt fee fees (main character syndrome/delusion) with my own intentions to educate the people on the literature findings and methodology.

I am waiting to hear about your criticisms on my points, which are completely independent and irrelevant to my autosomal make-up, I could care less about your attempts of psycho-analyzing me.

hopefully, you will make a good calculator in the future man, using admixture. I count on you. I have not enough energy rn, nor the skills.

[Russki]

Let's get some things straight, free of charge.

1) Firstly, the only surviving Yamnaya languages to this day are three: Albanian, Armenian and Greek.

The rest of you IE-speakers are Corded-Ware (GER) intermediates. This is the population you should try to model yourself with and not Yamnaya/Catacomb.

2) Secondly, anything above 3% in your distance% might as well be thrown in the trash, given the proximity of the PCA clustering. And no, your 'balto-slavic drift' is not a thing, it's a mere excuse davidski came up with for his dimensional manipulation to cluster you, eastern euros, where you are. No such 'drift' exists in f-stats.

3) Lastly, if you are not R1b-Z2103*, stop LARPing as Yamnaya, it's the equivalent of someone bragging how much his own bloodline was cucked by foreign/invading lineages, it's cringe. Better focus on your own ancestral populations (see Corded Ware example above).


For some reason a lot of people here take G25 religiously and think that Davidski's artistic interpretation of genetic drifts/bottlenecks is legit.

[kingmob]

Link your post for people to read and educate themselves instead of just boosting your ego by insulting others



OK, princess, consider yourself special for making me repeat myself.

1) Use geographical/historical relevant populations for your own ancestral>modern ethnic group. There's no one-size-fits-all solution, West Asians should use Armenia_BA proxies, Eastern Euros should opt for adjacent Corded-Ware references, Western Euros for CW and Beakers, among others, etc.

2) Admixtools2 tutorial for windows. (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?363817-admixtools2-TUTORIAL-for-WINDOWS)

[Voskos]

For some reason a lot of people here take G25 religiously and think that Davidski's artistic interpretation of genetic drifts/bottlenecks is legit.


I've been following him for over a decade , for some reason he was obsessed with PCA plots since the very beginning (trying to prove that south europe is a levant-shifted version of N.Europe, using various pca plots, clines or whatever he calls those). I never understood that.

[chinshen]

Imagine thinking distances of 5%+ have any validity.

Also, if you are not R1b-Z2103*, like kessaras, you are a LARP.

I am R1b-L23-L277.1.
Is that downstream of R1b-Z2103*?
I am sure I will score very low Yamnaya in my autosomal DNA since my ancestors did not speak an Indo-European language.

[kingmob]

Is that downstream of R1b-Z2103*?

Yes.

[Voskos]

How are Belarusians in between wogs and westerners? English and French have less yamnaya according to this chart.

Belarussians, are simply Belarussians. Cass will never see the truth, that he's more western than the English, and not more eastern. Good luck to this Polish bro.

[chinshen]

Yes.

Thanks. How can I Use this calculator? I only have 23&me raw data and GEDMATCH results.

[kingmob]

hopefully, you will make a good calculator in the future man, using admixture. I count on you. I have not enough energy rn, nor the skills.


I am not gonna do that.

The fact there's not a 'right-list'/outgroup, outside of admixtools usage, to check for validity means the results will always be skewed/overfit. But, don't get me wrong, PCAs like g25 have their usefulness, when you want a 'quick-and-dirty' method to get a rough idea of what you're dealing with in the first place.

Also, for moderns, PCA like g25, with good coverage to the template (davidski uses 23ame V3 raw template) is quite good, the problems pop-up with the ancient samples.

[cass]

Anyway we got the data. Slavs are right there in between wogs and westerners in terms of yamnaya rank. What differentiates the slavs is high WHG type ancestry, not specifically yamnaya.

https://i0.wp.com/www.norwegianamerican.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/HaakEtAlpage23Crop.jpg

Somehow, this is not confirmed in the model used by OP. Maybe someone else will prepare a different model than the G25.
https://i.ibb.co/XZXK1HZ/0yamn.jpg (https://ibb.co/qMBcK6M)

[Voskos]

Somehow, this is not confirmed in the model used by OP. Maybe someone else will prepare a different model than the G25.
https://i.ibb.co/XZXK1HZ/0yamn.jpg (https://ibb.co/qMBcK6M)

the G25 shouldn't be taken into account. Davidski's retirement plan. I trust more you and Vessna, than Davidski.

[Loki]

OK, princess, consider yourself special for making me repeat myself.

1) Use geographical/historical relevant populations for your own ancestral>modern ethnic group. There's no one-size-fits-all solution, West Asians should use Armenia_BA proxies, Eastern Euros should opt for adjacent Corded-Ware references, Western Euros for CW and Beakers, among others, etc.

Listen here asshole, you don't talk to a fellow member like that. Understood?

[kingmob]

Listen here asshole, you don't talk to a fellow member like that. Understood?


What did I say that was out of bounds?

Being called subhuman on the regular by the eastern euro gang is fine and dandy, but polite irony is not.

Why don't you ban me if I am such a terror for your board.

[Leto]

Listen here asshole, you don't talk to a fellow member like that. Understood?
I have to agree with Kingmob, with all due respect, chief. On the good old Apricity it was totally fine to swear and banter, no one was banned or reprimanded for that. And he didn't even do those things here.

[cass]

the G25 shouldn't be taken into account. Davidski's retirement plan. I trust more you and Vessna, than Davidski.

Pls suggest another calculator. Let's compare the results.

[Voskos]

Pls suggest another calculator. Let's compare the results.

I showed you one, a true run from a paper. And you comparing it to Davidski's plot. Why are we putting those on same level?

[Laredo]

I have to agree with Kingmob, with all due respect, chief. On the good old Apricity it was totally fine to swear and banter, no one was banned or reprimanded for that. And he didn't even do those things here.

Nah, this forum would be better off If It turns into another ForumBiodiversty to bad It was shut down. To much Euro centric shit talk not good.

[cass]

I showed you one, a true run from a paper. And you comparing it to Davidski's plot. Why are we putting those on same level?

I think that everyone here would prefer a working model (TOLAN, MDLP, Dodecad, etc.) in which everyone can find their own coordinates. Otherwise it's completely boring.

[Voskos]

I think that everyone here would prefer a working model (TOLAN, MDLP, Dodecad, etc.) in which everyone can find their own coordinates. Otherwise it's completely boring.

Target: Polish
Distance: 5.9181% / 0.05918086
51.2 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
29.6 Italy_Oetzi
16.8 Latvia_HG.SG
2.4 Israel_Natufian

Target: English
Distance: 5.0044% / 0.05004356
49.6 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
39.0 Italy_Oetzi
11.4 Latvia_HG.SG

[cass]

Target: Polish
Distance: 5.9181% / 0.05918086
51.2 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
29.6 Italy_Oetzi
16.8 Latvia_HG.SG
2.4 Israel_Natufian

Target: English
Distance: 5.0044% / 0.05004356
49.6 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
39.0 Italy_Oetzi
11.4 Latvia_HG.SG

:thumb001:
Can you provide the full source of the model?

[Voskos]

Latvia_HG.SG,0.129758,0.109677,0.178378,0.195416,0 .11356,0.056615,0.009635,0.023537,0.05604,-0.021504,-0.009743,-0.020382,0.028097,0.00578,0.043023,0.034473,-0.012256,0.010388,-0.004399,0.04227,0.066757,0.007666,-0.029826,-0.129777,0.006227
Italy_Oetzi,0.121791,0.179749,0.026021,-0.069445,0.074783,-0.038487,-0.006815,0.003461,0.067902,0.112622,0.00065,0.0211 31,-0.040733,-0.017616,-0.033794,-0.010475,0.025295,-0.00038,0.022123,-0.014507,-0.012603,0.019537,-0.022185,-0.035909,0.010418
Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG,0.0421147,0.0639783,-0.1541163,0.0010767,-0.119407,0.0212883,0.0104187,-0.0023077,-0.0809913,-0.057283,-0.002436,-0.002148,0.0040137,-0.0096337,0.0314873,0.0555107,-0.0067363,0.0061233,0.0131143,-0.0351837,0.0062807,-0.0250607,-0.0085453,-0.0374753,0.019958
Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1200835,0.0913975,0.04714,0. 1077215,-0.040469,0.0403,0.00564,0.0074995,-0.0572665,-0.078453,-0.0010555,0.0072685,0.005575,-0.0164455,0.021376,0.0088835,-0.008149,-0.0002535,0.00132,0.0098795,-0.0064885,0.010387,0.006039,0.020304,-0.0045505
Israel_Natufian,0.020488,0.131003,-0.039221,-0.141475,0.027082,-0.0753,-0.017861,-0.025845,0.102671,-0.004556,0.030042,-0.020682,0.069573,-0.000963,0.020222,0.028772,-0.012647,0.008868,-0.021117,0.04252,-0.004243,-0.002597,-0.011955,-0.006386,0.011735

[kingmob]

:thumb001:
Can you provide the full source of the model?


'Quick and dirty':


Target: Polish
Distance: 3.9203% / 0.03920283
67.8 Estonia_CordedWare.SG
19.4 Romania_C_oHG.SG
12.8 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG

[Beowulf]

Target: Scaled
Distance: 4.0607% / 0.04060704
48.8 Italy_Oetzi
41.8 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
4.8 Israel_Natufian
4.6 Latvia_HG.SG

[Kess]

Imagine thinking distances of 5%+ have any validity.

Also, if you are not R1b-Z2103*, like kessaras, you are a LARP.

You are a R1b-z2103 glorious yamnaya too bro.

[cass]

Latvia_HG.SG,0.129758,0.109677,0.178378,0.195416,0 .11356,0.056615,0.009635,0.023537,0.05604,-0.021504,-0.009743,-0.020382,0.028097,0.00578,0.043023,0.034473,-0.012256,0.010388,-0.004399,0.04227,0.066757,0.007666,-0.029826,-0.129777,0.006227
Italy_Oetzi,0.121791,0.179749,0.026021,-0.069445,0.074783,-0.038487,-0.006815,0.003461,0.067902,0.112622,0.00065,0.0211 31,-0.040733,-0.017616,-0.033794,-0.010475,0.025295,-0.00038,0.022123,-0.014507,-0.012603,0.019537,-0.022185,-0.035909,0.010418
Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG,0.0421147,0.0639783,-0.1541163,0.0010767,-0.119407,0.0212883,0.0104187,-0.0023077,-0.0809913,-0.057283,-0.002436,-0.002148,0.0040137,-0.0096337,0.0314873,0.0555107,-0.0067363,0.0061233,0.0131143,-0.0351837,0.0062807,-0.0250607,-0.0085453,-0.0374753,0.019958
Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1200835,0.0913975,0.04714,0. 1077215,-0.040469,0.0403,0.00564,0.0074995,-0.0572665,-0.078453,-0.0010555,0.0072685,0.005575,-0.0164455,0.021376,0.0088835,-0.008149,-0.0002535,0.00132,0.0098795,-0.0064885,0.010387,0.006039,0.020304,-0.0045505
Israel_Natufian,0.020488,0.131003,-0.039221,-0.141475,0.027082,-0.0753,-0.017861,-0.025845,0.102671,-0.004556,0.030042,-0.020682,0.069573,-0.000963,0.020222,0.028772,-0.012647,0.008868,-0.021117,0.04252,-0.004243,-0.002597,-0.011955,-0.006386,0.011735



away goal counts double
https://i.ibb.co/wghZPJy/gree.jpg (https://ibb.co/r02Kzbk)

[Kess]

I am R1b-L23-L277.1.
Is that downstream of R1b-Z2103*?
I am sure I will score very low Yamnaya in my autosomal DNA since my ancestors did not speak an Indo-European language.

How frequent R1b in Assyrians?

I know a Turkish guy who is R1b carrier from Urfa.

[Voskos]

away goal counts double
https://i.ibb.co/wghZPJy/gree.jpg (https://ibb.co/r02Kzbk)

why are you posting Cretans? Our argument is about Poles vs English and respective WHG/ Yamna Ratio.Are you serious man? I'm tired of you slavs, you are wasting my time.

[Kess]

Around the black sea, and the Balkans, even Turkey, Armenia, Kurds and the Levant , have the highest Yamnaya among all populations.

R1b-z2103 places.

[kingmob]

How frequent R1b in Assyrians?

I know a Turkish guy who is R1b carrier from Urfa.


Relatively frequent, 20%-25% I think.

All of it, proto-Armenic L584 as well, which makes sense historically, given the contact between those two.

[Kess]

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 4.0211% / 0.04021120
57.4 ARM_Kura-Araxes_Kaps
26.8 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.4 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
4.2 Levant_Sidon_MBA
4.2 Mongolia_North_N



primarily kura-araxes culture, my yamnaya is insignificant

https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/kura-araxes.jpg

Our results similar bro.

[chinshen]

How frequent R1b in Assyrians?

I know a Turkish guy who is R1b carrier from Urfa.

You asked before of which part of Turkey my family came from, they come from just South of Lake Van in the Hakkari region of Turkey. I am from the U.S and not from Turkey.

Assyrians are about 30% most are L277.1, here is a study that was done on the different populations of Northern Iraq which included Assyrians which shows 30.25% I had calculated from my 23&me dna relatives list and was also 30%.
Here is the link to the study:
127775

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0187408

[cass]

why are you posting Cretans? Our argument is about Poles vs English and respective WHG/ Yamna Ratio.Are you serious man? I'm tired of you slavs, you are wasting my time.


I am simply showing the consequence of introducing Israelis as a coordinate into the model. The Minoan population would have been much better In the case of Slavs.

[Voskos]

I am simply showing the consequence of introducing Israelis as a coordinate into the model. The Minoan population would have been much better In the case of Slavs.

Alright, I'll take your point concerning that specific matter.

[kingmob]

Lake Van in the Hakkari region of Turkey.




Urartu IA has a lot of R1b-Z2103* in your region. It seems the local Hurrians received Yamnaya-Caucasus input/lineages during the latter's expansion in Anatolia/South Caucasus.

[Voskos]

Btw, Introducing Minoans , proves (besides proving your point about Natufian) that I was right about the WHG/Yamna ratio being higher in Slavs, than in Westerners


Target: Polish
Distance: 5.1339% / 0.05133922
38.6 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
36.6 Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG
24.8 Latvia_HG.SG
0.0 Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG
0.0 Italy_Oetzi

Target: English
Distance: 4.9586% / 0.04958632
46.2 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
30.6 Italy_Oetzi
13.6 Latvia_HG.SG
9.6 Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG
0.0 Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG

[celticdragongod]

Latvia_HG.SG,0.129758,0.109677,0.178378,0.195416,0 .11356,0.056615,0.009635,0.023537,0.05604,-0.021504,-0.009743,-0.020382,0.028097,0.00578,0.043023,0.034473,-0.012256,0.010388,-0.004399,0.04227,0.066757,0.007666,-0.029826,-0.129777,0.006227
Italy_Oetzi,0.121791,0.179749,0.026021,-0.069445,0.074783,-0.038487,-0.006815,0.003461,0.067902,0.112622,0.00065,0.0211 31,-0.040733,-0.017616,-0.033794,-0.010475,0.025295,-0.00038,0.022123,-0.014507,-0.012603,0.019537,-0.022185,-0.035909,0.010418
Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG,0.0421147,0.0639783,-0.1541163,0.0010767,-0.119407,0.0212883,0.0104187,-0.0023077,-0.0809913,-0.057283,-0.002436,-0.002148,0.0040137,-0.0096337,0.0314873,0.0555107,-0.0067363,0.0061233,0.0131143,-0.0351837,0.0062807,-0.0250607,-0.0085453,-0.0374753,0.019958
Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1200835,0.0913975,0.04714,0. 1077215,-0.040469,0.0403,0.00564,0.0074995,-0.0572665,-0.078453,-0.0010555,0.0072685,0.005575,-0.0164455,0.021376,0.0088835,-0.008149,-0.0002535,0.00132,0.0098795,-0.0064885,0.010387,0.006039,0.020304,-0.0045505
Israel_Natufian,0.020488,0.131003,-0.039221,-0.141475,0.027082,-0.0753,-0.017861,-0.025845,0.102671,-0.004556,0.030042,-0.020682,0.069573,-0.000963,0.020222,0.028772,-0.012647,0.008868,-0.021117,0.04252,-0.004243,-0.002597,-0.011955,-0.006386,0.011735


Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.15382657 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
0.22159803 Italy_Oetzi
0.28149422 Latvia_HG.SG
0.30459966 Israel_Natufian
0.33017524 Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 5.5366% / 0.05536559
52.0 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
37.2 Italy_Oetzi
10.8 Latvia_HG.SG

[Kess]

You asked before of which part of Turkey my family came from, they come from just South of Lake Van in the Hakkari region of Turkey. I am from the U.S and not from Turkey.

Assyrians are about 30% most are L277.1, here is a study that was done on the different populations of Northern Iraq which included Assyrians which shows 30.25% I had calculated from my 23&me dna relatives list and was also 30%.
Here is the link to the study:
127775

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0187408

Interesting.

When you think of Assyrians in Turkey, places in Mesopotamia such as Urfa and Mardin come to mind.

[Voskos]

Model with Minoan as the southern source:


Latvia_HG.SG,0.129758,0.109677,0.178378,0.195416,0 .11356,0.056615,0.009635,0.023537,0.05604,-0.021504,-0.009743,-0.020382,0.028097,0.00578,0.043023,0.034473,-0.012256,0.010388,-0.004399,0.04227,0.066757,0.007666,-0.029826,-0.129777,0.006227
Italy_Oetzi,0.121791,0.179749,0.026021,-0.069445,0.074783,-0.038487,-0.006815,0.003461,0.067902,0.112622,0.00065,0.0211 31,-0.040733,-0.017616,-0.033794,-0.010475,0.025295,-0.00038,0.022123,-0.014507,-0.012603,0.019537,-0.022185,-0.035909,0.010418
Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG,0.0421147,0.0639783,-0.1541163,0.0010767,-0.119407,0.0212883,0.0104187,-0.0023077,-0.0809913,-0.057283,-0.002436,-0.002148,0.0040137,-0.0096337,0.0314873,0.0555107,-0.0067363,0.0061233,0.0131143,-0.0351837,0.0062807,-0.0250607,-0.0085453,-0.0374753,0.019958
Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1200835,0.0913975,0.04714,0. 1077215,-0.040469,0.0403,0.00564,0.0074995,-0.0572665,-0.078453,-0.0010555,0.0072685,0.005575,-0.0164455,0.021376,0.0088835,-0.008149,-0.0002535,0.00132,0.0098795,-0.0064885,0.010387,0.006039,0.020304,-0.0045505
Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG,0.1161,0.170609,-0.018479,-0.091732,0.028005,-0.033188,0.003995,-0.002769,0.021066,0.060685,0.00747,0.007643,-0.01665,0.010046,-0.03583,-0.02254,0,0.005954,0.009176,-0.009755,-0.009483,0.006059,-0.006902,-0.004217,0.002395

[Kess]

Model with Minoan as the southern source:


Latvia_HG.SG,0.129758,0.109677,0.178378,0.195416,0 .11356,0.056615,0.009635,0.023537,0.05604,-0.021504,-0.009743,-0.020382,0.028097,0.00578,0.043023,0.034473,-0.012256,0.010388,-0.004399,0.04227,0.066757,0.007666,-0.029826,-0.129777,0.006227
Italy_Oetzi,0.121791,0.179749,0.026021,-0.069445,0.074783,-0.038487,-0.006815,0.003461,0.067902,0.112622,0.00065,0.0211 31,-0.040733,-0.017616,-0.033794,-0.010475,0.025295,-0.00038,0.022123,-0.014507,-0.012603,0.019537,-0.022185,-0.035909,0.010418
Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG,0.0421147,0.0639783,-0.1541163,0.0010767,-0.119407,0.0212883,0.0104187,-0.0023077,-0.0809913,-0.057283,-0.002436,-0.002148,0.0040137,-0.0096337,0.0314873,0.0555107,-0.0067363,0.0061233,0.0131143,-0.0351837,0.0062807,-0.0250607,-0.0085453,-0.0374753,0.019958
Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1200835,0.0913975,0.04714,0. 1077215,-0.040469,0.0403,0.00564,0.0074995,-0.0572665,-0.078453,-0.0010555,0.0072685,0.005575,-0.0164455,0.021376,0.0088835,-0.008149,-0.0002535,0.00132,0.0098795,-0.0064885,0.010387,0.006039,0.020304,-0.0045505
Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG,0.1161,0.170609,-0.018479,-0.091732,0.028005,-0.033188,0.003995,-0.002769,0.021066,0.060685,0.00747,0.007643,-0.01665,0.010046,-0.03583,-0.02254,0,0.005954,0.009176,-0.009755,-0.009483,0.006059,-0.006902,-0.004217,0.002395

Target: kesseras_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.4505% / 0.01450454
44.2 ARM_Kura-Araxes_Kaps
17.4 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.0 Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG
13.2 Levant_Sidon_MBA
6.4 Mongolia_North_N
3.0 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
0.8 Latvia_HG.SG

[chinshen]

Interesting.

When you think of Assyrians in Turkey, places in Mesopotamia such as Urfa and Mardin come to mind.

That is because there are still few Assyrians living in Urfa and Mardin region while other Assyrians from Hakkari and surrounding areas were evicted during and after WW1. My family left Hakkari region in 1926.

[Dušan]

Model with Minoan as the southern source:


Latvia_HG.SG,0.129758,0.109677,0.178378,0.195416,0 .11356,0.056615,0.009635,0.023537,0.05604,-0.021504,-0.009743,-0.020382,0.028097,0.00578,0.043023,0.034473,-0.012256,0.010388,-0.004399,0.04227,0.066757,0.007666,-0.029826,-0.129777,0.006227
Italy_Oetzi,0.121791,0.179749,0.026021,-0.069445,0.074783,-0.038487,-0.006815,0.003461,0.067902,0.112622,0.00065,0.0211 31,-0.040733,-0.017616,-0.033794,-0.010475,0.025295,-0.00038,0.022123,-0.014507,-0.012603,0.019537,-0.022185,-0.035909,0.010418
Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG,0.0421147,0.0639783,-0.1541163,0.0010767,-0.119407,0.0212883,0.0104187,-0.0023077,-0.0809913,-0.057283,-0.002436,-0.002148,0.0040137,-0.0096337,0.0314873,0.0555107,-0.0067363,0.0061233,0.0131143,-0.0351837,0.0062807,-0.0250607,-0.0085453,-0.0374753,0.019958
Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1200835,0.0913975,0.04714,0. 1077215,-0.040469,0.0403,0.00564,0.0074995,-0.0572665,-0.078453,-0.0010555,0.0072685,0.005575,-0.0164455,0.021376,0.0088835,-0.008149,-0.0002535,0.00132,0.0098795,-0.0064885,0.010387,0.006039,0.020304,-0.0045505
Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG,0.1161,0.170609,-0.018479,-0.091732,0.028005,-0.033188,0.003995,-0.002769,0.021066,0.060685,0.00747,0.007643,-0.01665,0.010046,-0.03583,-0.02254,0,0.005954,0.009176,-0.009755,-0.009483,0.006059,-0.006902,-0.004217,0.002395


Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 4.6577% / 0.04657689
52.0 Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG
31.0 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
17.0 Latvia_HG.SG

[Beowulf]

Target: Scaled
Distance: 3.8274% / 0.03827423
34.2 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
30.0 Italy_Oetzi
26.0 Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG
9.8 Latvia_HG.SG

[cass]

Btw, Introducing Minoans , proves (besides proving your point about Natufian) that I was right about the WHG/Yamna ratio being higher in Slavs, than in Westerners


Target: Polish
Distance: 5.1339% / 0.05133922
38.6 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
36.6 Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG
24.8 Latvia_HG.SG
0.0 Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG
0.0 Italy_Oetzi

Target: English
Distance: 4.9586% / 0.04958632
46.2 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
30.6 Italy_Oetzi
13.6 Latvia_HG.SG
9.6 Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG
0.0 Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG



This makes absolutely no sense, since the Neolithic culture close to the Minoans did not reach England and was probably an element of the Cucuteni-Trypillia culture.


You're being tricked like a child.:thumb001:

[Voskos]

I showed you 2 G25 models (tool created by your compatriot) and one real academic paper where slavs have higher WHG than the western Euros, and you're talking about Minoans in England. By the way Minoan-like admixture did potentially reach England, with the Romans. Now bye, I'm not a Pole, I am a Greek and I'm paid min wage, got stuff to do tomorrow. You and your slavic friends can larp as whatever you want.

[cass]

I showed you 2 G25 models (tool created by your compatriot) and one real academic paper where slavs have higher WHG than the western Euros, and you're talking about Minoans in England. By the way Minoan-like admixture did potentially reach England, with the Romans. Now bye, I'm not a Pole, I am a Greek and I'm paid min wage, got stuff to do tomorrow. You and your slavic friends can larp as whatever you want.

You are rather arguing with yourself that Slavs have higher WHG than the western Euros. This is obvious.
Likewise, the steppe population was largely descendants of the Paleolithic population.
The steppe people did not parachute over Eastern Europe.

[Loki]

What did I say that was out of bounds?

Being called subhuman on the regular by the eastern euro gang is fine and dandy, but polite irony is not.

Why don't you ban me if I am such a terror for your board.

Ah you're going to play a game of dare with me? I find those irresistible!

[kingmob]

Ah you're going to play a game of dare with me? I find those irresistible!


I feel that you know you overreacted, calling me an asshole, and now are doubling down to try and mitigate the embarrassment of your reaction.

No bad blood from my part, we can leave it behind us if you wish so as well.

[kingmob]

One thing I am not going to do though is be censored because of your preferential treatment towards certain spoilt brats.

If you think I should be censored, even though I am extremely careful with how I write, you should definitely ban me.

Not a dare, but a sincere request.

[Kenshiro]

away goal counts double
https://i.ibb.co/wghZPJy/gree.jpg (https://ibb.co/r02Kzbk)

Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 3.9880% / 0.03988039
48.4 Italy_Oetzi
33.8 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
10.0 Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG
7.8 Israel_Natufian

Target: Kenshiro_scaled
Distance: 2.2919% / 0.02291865
44.4 Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG
33.2 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
17.6 Italy_Oetzi
2.8 Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG
2.0 Israel_Natufian
With Minoans and without
I'm from Gargano (North East Apulia) Apulians sample are from the beautiful Salento (South Apulia)

[BrandenburgGaming]

Latvia_HG.SG,0.129758,0.109677,0.178378,0.195416,0 .11356,0.056615,0.009635,0.023537,0.05604,-0.021504,-0.009743,-0.020382,0.028097,0.00578,0.043023,0.034473,-0.012256,0.010388,-0.004399,0.04227,0.066757,0.007666,-0.029826,-0.129777,0.006227
Italy_Oetzi,0.121791,0.179749,0.026021,-0.069445,0.074783,-0.038487,-0.006815,0.003461,0.067902,0.112622,0.00065,0.0211 31,-0.040733,-0.017616,-0.033794,-0.010475,0.025295,-0.00038,0.022123,-0.014507,-0.012603,0.019537,-0.022185,-0.035909,0.010418
Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG,0.0421147,0.0639783,-0.1541163,0.0010767,-0.119407,0.0212883,0.0104187,-0.0023077,-0.0809913,-0.057283,-0.002436,-0.002148,0.0040137,-0.0096337,0.0314873,0.0555107,-0.0067363,0.0061233,0.0131143,-0.0351837,0.0062807,-0.0250607,-0.0085453,-0.0374753,0.019958
Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1200835,0.0913975,0.04714,0. 1077215,-0.040469,0.0403,0.00564,0.0074995,-0.0572665,-0.078453,-0.0010555,0.0072685,0.005575,-0.0164455,0.021376,0.0088835,-0.008149,-0.0002535,0.00132,0.0098795,-0.0064885,0.010387,0.006039,0.020304,-0.0045505
Israel_Natufian,0.020488,0.131003,-0.039221,-0.141475,0.027082,-0.0753,-0.017861,-0.025845,0.102671,-0.004556,0.030042,-0.020682,0.069573,-0.000963,0.020222,0.028772,-0.012647,0.008868,-0.021117,0.04252,-0.004243,-0.002597,-0.011955,-0.006386,0.011735


Target: BrandenburgGaming
Distance: 4.5809% / 0.04580868
50.2 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
37.0 Italy_Oetzi
12.8 Latvia_HG.SG

finally broke through the 50% barrier :cool:

[celticdragongod]

Model with Minoan as the southern source:


Latvia_HG.SG,0.129758,0.109677,0.178378,0.195416,0 .11356,0.056615,0.009635,0.023537,0.05604,-0.021504,-0.009743,-0.020382,0.028097,0.00578,0.043023,0.034473,-0.012256,0.010388,-0.004399,0.04227,0.066757,0.007666,-0.029826,-0.129777,0.006227
Italy_Oetzi,0.121791,0.179749,0.026021,-0.069445,0.074783,-0.038487,-0.006815,0.003461,0.067902,0.112622,0.00065,0.0211 31,-0.040733,-0.017616,-0.033794,-0.010475,0.025295,-0.00038,0.022123,-0.014507,-0.012603,0.019537,-0.022185,-0.035909,0.010418
Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG,0.0421147,0.0639783,-0.1541163,0.0010767,-0.119407,0.0212883,0.0104187,-0.0023077,-0.0809913,-0.057283,-0.002436,-0.002148,0.0040137,-0.0096337,0.0314873,0.0555107,-0.0067363,0.0061233,0.0131143,-0.0351837,0.0062807,-0.0250607,-0.0085453,-0.0374753,0.019958
Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya,0.1200835,0.0913975,0.04714,0. 1077215,-0.040469,0.0403,0.00564,0.0074995,-0.0572665,-0.078453,-0.0010555,0.0072685,0.005575,-0.0164455,0.021376,0.0088835,-0.008149,-0.0002535,0.00132,0.0098795,-0.0064885,0.010387,0.006039,0.020304,-0.0045505
Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG,0.1161,0.170609,-0.018479,-0.091732,0.028005,-0.033188,0.003995,-0.002769,0.021066,0.060685,0.00747,0.007643,-0.01665,0.010046,-0.03583,-0.02254,0,0.005954,0.009176,-0.009755,-0.009483,0.006059,-0.006902,-0.004217,0.002395


Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.15382657 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
0.20055290 Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG
0.22159803 Italy_Oetzi
0.28149422 Latvia_HG.SG
0.33017524 Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N.SG

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 5.5172% / 0.05517224
49.4 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
31.0 Italy_Oetzi
12.6 Latvia_HG.SG
7.0 Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG

[frankhammer]

Target: fh_scaled
Distance: 4.4064% / 0.04406391
44.8 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
40.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
15.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

[frankhammer]

Target: fh_scaled
Distance: 5.3307% / 0.05330722
46.8 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
39.4 Italy_Oetzi
12.0 Latvia_HG.SG
1.8 Greece_Minoan_Kephala_Petras.SG

[Loki]

I feel that you know you overreacted, calling me an asshole, and now are doubling down to try and mitigate the embarrassment of your reaction.

No bad blood from my part, we can leave it behind us if you wish so as well.

Wrong!

[noricum]

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 5.5997% / 0.05599744
49.0 Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
38.8 Italy_Oetzi
10.6 Latvia_HG.SG
1.6 Israel_Natufian


Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 5.9225% / 0.05922539
46.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
41.2 TUR_Marmara_Barcin_N
12.2 France_Rochedane


Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 5.7463% / 0.05746278
46.0 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
41.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
12.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

[Gallop]

Target: Gallop_scaled
Distance: 3.4280% / 0.03427953
50.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
31.2 Yamnaya
14.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
4.2 Maurusian_12550bc

Target: Father_scaled
Distance: 3.2277% / 0.03227745
50.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
30.8 Yamnaya
13.6 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
5.0 Maurusian_12550bc

Target: brother_scaled
Distance: 3.0701% / 0.03070137
51.2 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
30.4 Yamnaya
13.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
5.4 Maurusian_12550bc


There are still some out there that show the phenotype of how they should be, all the ones I identify in appearance are bald and they usually shave their heads.

[Ritz06]

Target:
Distance: 2.7437% / 0.02743725
41.0 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
31.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
14.8 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
4.8 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
4.4 ARM_Kura-Araxes_Kaps
3.4 Mongolia_North_N

[Nurzat]

Yamnaya are far from all modern populations, somehow halfway between the Finns/Karelians and the Caucasus populations, here are the top 5 people closest to each Yamnaya Samara sample:


Distance to: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I7489
0.12116053 Akhvakh:GRC10044898
0.12162568 Kaitag: DAG06-826
0.12384754 Finnish_Central:HG00366
0.12422186 Kubachinian: DAG-211
0.12435482 Lak: DAG-336

Distance to: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0444
0.11845352 Finnish_Central:HG00366
0.12076721 Finnish_East:HG00269
0.12118258 Finnish_East:HG00290
0.12255344 Karelian:GS000013765
0.12286658 Ingrian:GS000016897

Distance to: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0443
0.11987078 Finnish_Central:HG00366
0.12097454 Kaitag: DAG06-826
0.12320342 Finnish_North:HG00288
0.12360290 Akhvakh:GRC10044898
0.12426188 Karelian:KAR-165

Distance to: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439
0.11384821 Finnish_Central:HG00366
0.11650128 Akhvakh:GRC10044898
0.11676736 Finnish_Southeast:HG00318
0.11815113 Kaitag: DAG06-826
0.11888922 Finnish_East:HG00269

Distance to: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0438
0.12624949 Akhvakh:GRC10044898
0.12701795 Akhvakh:GRC10044900
0.12859667 Kaitag: DAG06-826
0.12886513 Finnish_Central:HG00366
0.13011398 Kubachinian: DAG-211

Distance to: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0429
0.13129024 Finnish_Central:HG00366
0.13241378 Karelian:GS000013765
0.13411408 Finnish_East:HG00269
0.13433374 Finnish_Southeast:HG00318
0.13450878 Finnish_East:HG00290

Distance to: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0370
0.12044032 Finnish_Central:HG00366
0.12307050 Finnish_East:HG00269
0.12408022 Finnish_Southeast:HG00318
0.12443121 Karelian:GS000013765
0.12470526 Akhvakh:GRC10044898

Distance to: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0357
0.11266991 Finnish_Central:HG00366
0.11539342 Akhvakh:GRC10044898
0.11572988 Pamiri_Shugnan:tdj305_shugnan
0.11581921 Finnish_East:HG00269
0.11611661 Moksha:MOE-025

Distance to: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0231
0.12282235 Pamiri_Shugnan:tdj305_shugnan
0.12299260 Finnish_Central:HG00366
0.12449325 Pamiri_Rushan:tdj54_rushan
0.12455428 Pamiri_Rushan:tdj12_rushan
0.12489331 Komi:652_R01C02

[Nurzat]

that's how they can be mixed from the cultures in their time (more or less):

Target: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I7489
Distance: 5.4935% / 0.05493459 | R5P
69.2 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
24.4 Russia_Caucasus_Maikop_Novosvobodnaya
6.4 Tajikistan_C_Sarazm

Target: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0444
Distance: 4.3334% / 0.04333414 | R5P
73.4 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
16.8 Armenia_EBA_KuraAraxes_Talin
7.2 Russia_Caucasus_Maikop_Novosvobodnaya
2.6 Kazakhstan_Kumsay_EBA

Target: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0443
Distance: 4.8519% / 0.04851924 | R5P
67.4 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
25.0 Russia_Caucasus_Maikop_Novosvobodnaya
5.4 Tajikistan_C_Sarazm
2.2 Estonia_MN_CCC_1

Target: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0439
Distance: 4.8981% / 0.04898120 | R5P
68.8 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
27.8 Russia_Caucasus_Maikop_Novosvobodnaya
3.4 Poland_GlobularAmphora

Target: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0438
Distance: 4.9397% / 0.04939698 | R5P
69.0 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
26.2 Russia_Caucasus_Maikop_Novosvobodnaya
4.8 Kazakhstan_Kumsay_EBA

Target: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0429
Distance: 5.8688% / 0.05868789 | R5P
76.2 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
15.4 Russia_Caucasus_Maikop_Novosvobodnaya
6.8 Turkmenistan_C_Parkhai
1.6 Armenia_EBA_KuraAraxes_Talin

Target: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0370
Distance: 4.6281% / 0.04628095 | R5P
70.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
26.8 Russia_Caucasus_Maikop_Novosvobodnaya
2.6 Kazakhstan_Kumsay_EBA

Target: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0357
Distance: 4.0295% / 0.04029478 | R5P
67.4 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
13.6 Russia_Caucasus_Maikop_Novosvobodnaya
12.4 Turkmenistan_C_Parkhai
6.6 Poland_GlobularAmphora

Target: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya:I0231
Distance: 3.9580% / 0.03957980 | R5P
71.6 Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic
17.2 Armenia_EBA_KuraAraxes_Talin
6.8 Turkmenistan_C_TepeAnau
2.6 Turkmenistan_C_Parkhai
1.8 Kazakhstan_Kumsay_EBA


you see a lot of Khvalynsk, which is:

Distance to: Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic:I0433
0.13997238 Russian_Leshukonsky
0.14359212 Finnish_East
0.14410769 Russian_Pinezhsky
0.14665664 Komi
0.14719469 Saami_Kola
0.14743297 Karelian
0.14824999 Russian_Pinega
0.14981001 Vepsian
0.15213243 Finnish_North
0.15277329 Ingrian
0.15312609 Finnish_Central
0.15499451 Finnish_Southeast
0.15536708 Russian_Krasnoborsky
0.15896102 Russian_Kostroma
0.15963086 Erzya
0.16085851 Saami
0.16163704 Udmurt
0.16340792 Besermyan
0.16517475 Estonian
0.16530929 Finnish_Southwest
0.16600215 Moksha
0.16664406 Latvian
0.16696600 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.16942119 Russian_Tver
0.17015838 Lithuanian_PZ

Distance to: Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic:I0122
0.13965783 Russian_Leshukonsky
0.14280266 Finnish_East
0.14405024 Russian_Pinezhsky
0.14649067 Karelian
0.14656653 Komi
0.14777089 Russian_Pinega
0.14861080 Saami_Kola
0.14936256 Vepsian
0.15014207 Finnish_North
0.15081108 Ingrian
0.15105571 Finnish_Central
0.15311008 Finnish_Southeast
0.15384609 Russian_Krasnoborsky
0.15674960 Russian_Kostroma
0.15723848 Erzya
0.16183503 Udmurt
0.16224535 Finnish_Southwest
0.16236315 Besermyan
0.16267461 Saami
0.16346079 Moksha
0.16360330 Estonian
0.16549289 Latvian
0.16550099 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.16706856 Russian_Tver
0.16865970 Lithuanian_PZ

Target: Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic:I0433
Distance: 13.2810% / 0.13280955
45.2 Latvian
32.2 Udmurt
13.8 Finnish_East
5.2 Karitiana
3.2 Saami
0.4 Ror

Target: Russia_Khvalynsk_Eneolithic:I0122
Distance: 13.0315% / 0.13031512
36.2 Latvian
25.0 Finnish_East
20.2 Saami
12.6 Kalash
5.6 Karitiana
0.4 Udmurt

[Frowning Man]

Target: Rati
Distance: 4.3958% / 0.04395814
95.0 ARM_Kura-Araxes_Kaps
3.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
1.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

Simply the oldest relic of the Caucasus.

[Leto]

Target: Rati
Distance: 4.3958% / 0.04395814
95.0 ARM_Kura-Araxes_Kaps
3.6 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
1.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

Simply the oldest relic of the Caucasus.
Do you use the FTDNA data or Genotek? FTDNA is definitely better unless you have downloaded the V3 version from Genotek.

[Kess]

Do you use the FTDNA data or Genotek? FTDNA is definitely better unless you have downloaded the V3 version from Genotek.

He has too low ANF. How come?

[lockdownboredom]

He has too low ANF. How come?

Inclusion of a Bronze Age sample

Target: ARM_Kura-Araxes_Kaps
Distance: 3.3434% / 0.03343354
44.0 Georgia_Kotias.SG
35.4 Turkey_Barcin_LN.SG
19.6 Iran_GanjDareh_N
1.0 Jordan_Late_PPNB

[Nurzat]

knowing that Yamnaya were about half Caucasus and half Eastern European genetically, (50% CHG + 50% EHG), we can look at what other ancestry these components hide.

EHG (Eastern Hunter-Gatherer) was a mix of ANE (Ancient North Eurasian) and WHG (Western Hunter-Gatherer).
CHG (Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer) was a mix of Basal Eurasian and ANE (Ancient North Eurasian).

it will be hard to tell through what populations precisely each of us got our WHG, EHG, CHG, ANE, EEF (which stems from Basal Eurasian as well and is most similar to Anatolian Hunter-Gatherers which had some WHG as well, then to Natufians in the Levant) etc, some of these components being a mix of the other components in the same list.

if we make a calculator and we use Yamnaya as a component, some of the peoples that will show high Yamnaya ancestry maybe don't even have much of it from Yamnaya, because they just have ancestry from common ancestors of theirs and Yamnaya's (like Caucasus populations for the CHG genes and Uralic populations for the EHG genes, which they inherited not from Yamnaya, but from their ancestors whose "cousins" had contributed to Yamnaya).

[cass]

knowing that Yamnaya were about half Caucasus and half Eastern European genetically, (50% CHG + 50% EHG), we can look at what other ancestry these components hide...


It's more like 5EHG/3CHG, to be precise.
https://i.ibb.co/TM9Vz0B/yamnspl.jpg (https://ibb.co/xqxpVgS)

[Nurzat]

It's more like 5EHG/3CHG, to be precise.

there was individual variation, plus Samara are not the only WSH population to consider - some may want to consider later Yamnaya developments, which may be more relevant to their region, and those have various other mixes they picked up on the way there as well. each new development meant they mixed with other populations along. not to mention that the core population from which they exploded in all directions weren't Samara but the earlier Sredny Stog, for which Samara was an eastward development.

also, I don't know if using Anatolian Neolithic to draw direct mixture is alright for Yamnaya, as that cannot be directly from Anatolia, but either through Caucasus, who in their time probably already had some EEF-like admix, either through contact with Cucuteni/Globular Amphora EEF-like populations that stretched to Ukraine.

so it's broadly 50-50 as direct ancestry, while if you wish to trace older components, that have mixed to create EHG and CHG, I already said about WHG, ANE and Basal Eurasian, that are the basis of EHG/CHG - CHG had older ANE as EHG had more recent ANE

[cass]

there was individual variation, plus Samara are not the only WSH population to consider - some may want to consider later Yamnaya developments, which may be more relevant to their region, and those have various other mixes they picked up on the way there as well. each new development meant they mixed with other populations along. not to mention that the core population from which they exploded in all directions weren't Samara but the earlier Sredny Stog, for which Samara was an eastward development.

also, I don't know if using Anatolian Neolithic to draw direct mixture is alright for Yamnaya, as that cannot be directly from Anatolia, but either through Caucasus, who in their time probably already had some EEF-like admix, either through contact with Cucuteni/Globular Amphora EEF-like populations that stretched to Ukraine.

so it's broadly 50-50 as direct ancestry, while if you wish to trace older components, that have mixed to create EHG and CHG, I already said about WHG, ANE and Basal Eurasian, that are the basis of EHG/CHG - CHG had older ANE as EHG had more recent ANE


Even if you remove all Middle Eastern elements from the calculator, the original (east of Romania) Pit Grave culture samples remains at 56 /42.
https://i.ibb.co/cLr7bgx/yamn0.jpg (https://ibb.co/hfmtX7C)


For Corded samples is at 2/1 level in favor of EHG.

[cass]

https://i.ibb.co/6wGywfW/EHG.jpg (https://ibb.co/2hRFhfk)

Analysis of modern samples from Northwest Europe indicates that the regressive factor is the Neolithic element. Obviously, the further north you go, the smaller the number of Neolithic is . Scandinavia has a ratio of 3.5 EHG/1CHG. Much higher then in Corded. For areas of northern Britain the ratio is 3/1.
For southwestern French the ratio increases to 4/1.

[Nurzat]

Analysis of modern samples from Northwest Europe indicates that the regressive factor is the Neolithic element. Obviously, the further north you go, the smaller the number of Neolithic is . Scandinavia has a ratio of 3.5 EHG/1CHG. Much higher then in Corded. For areas of northern Britain the ratio is 3/1.
For southwestern French the ratio increases to 4/1.

Basques have most WHG together with Latvians/Lithuanians - in this run the EHG hides their WHG as well (since EHG is 30-to-40% WHG and 60-70% ANE roughly)

the most similar to EEF is not Natufian but the Anatolian HGs - the direct ancestors of the Anatolian farmers who started pouring into Europe. they already had some WHG admix and Sardinians are still very close to them to this day.


Turkey_Epipaleolithic:ZBC_IPB001.B-C0101_Luk2-Pinarbasi,0.114961,0.167562,0.03017,-0.08075,0.072629,-0.039881,-0.00047,0.000231,0.046836,0.083282,0.004222,0.0077 93,-0.02215,-0.011836,-0.041123,-0.003845,0.043027,0.00114,0.008799,-0.004252,-0.011729,0.006801,-0.006286,-0.010122,-0.007784

using this then you can see how all of Europe is getting a lot of Neolithic, and it's more accurate, I think, since the profile of the Neolithic farmers in Europe is around Sardinian-like coordinates (like this Anatolia HG above, or Vinča, Cucuteni-Tripolye, Globular Amphora etc). so Pınarbaşı hides some WHG as well. my point again, it's so hard now to delimit in any European what % WHG they inherited from West Asia through EEF, what % through admix in Western Europe or elsewhere between actual WHGs and Pınarbaşı-like folks etc. same with each other component - no way to know what % of ANE in a Southern European is via Yamnaya and what % via CHG etc. and EHG is just a WHG-ANE mix forming a cline from WHG through Scando HG - Baltic HG - EHG - to Northeast Eurasian ANEs

[Frotous]

Me. According to G25 calculator my closest ancient population is yamnaya.

[Frotous]

128100

[cass]

128100

I doubt that a distance of over 0.15 is a record.

Distance to: Mordvin_Erzya
0.12915485 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya



Distance to: German_South
0.16876240 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya


Distance to: German_Hamburg
0.15026609 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya


Distance to: Karelian_Southern
0.12934824 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya


Distance to: Komi_Zyrian_Siberia_(Mordovian_Profile)
0.12615154 Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya

[Frotous]

I’m still close and direct descendant of paternal side with R1b

[Rafael Passoni]

Distance to: caesarsalad_scaled
0.11851823 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
0.14235388 Levant_Sidon_MBA
0.16432384 ARM_Kura-Araxes_Kaps
0.19718253 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C
0.22567302 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.39026567 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
0.45825639 Iberomaurusian_Taforalt_Morocco_12550bc
0.47146601 Ancient_Ancestral_South_Indian:Onge
0.61330452 Mongolia_North_N
0.72874753 East_African_Nilotic_Dinka:
0.76957030 West_African

[Wend-Kruzek]

Distance to: wend - Kruzek_scaled only
0.09949186 Yamnaya:Bulgaria_EBA_Yamnaya
0.13024993 Yamnaya:Serbia_EBA_Yamnaya
0.14943533 Yamnaya:Russia_Kalmykia_EBA_Yamnaya.SG
0.14973228 Yamnaya:Ukraine_EBA_Yamnaya
0.15126086 yamnaya:Kazakhstan_EBA_Yamnaya.SG
0.15128081 Yamnaya:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
0.15710728 Yamnaya:Russia_Caucasus_EBA_Yamnaya

Target:wend Kruzek_scaled Davidski
Distance: 5.4540% / 0.05454045
49.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.4 TUR_Barcin_N
13.8 WHG

I suggest !!!Everyone makes their own calculator, and there will be peace.

[vader]

Not much:

Target: Me_scaled
Distance: 4.2363% / 0.04236348
53.0 Anatolian_Neolithic_Farmer
29.0 Proto_Indo_European_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer
6.0 Iberomaurusian_Taforalt_Morocco_12550bc
1.0 East_African_Nilotic_Dinka