Turkish with no Turkish / Anatolian ancestry, maybe Vlach / Aromanian, 23andme + GEDmatch result

[3bex]

Father's side immigrated from Western Macedonia (Kozani region, from villages that don't sound Greek) without prior Turkish knowledge (possibly Vallahades), whereas mom's side from mainly Thessaloniki (Langadas), and according to the state records someone from Kumanovo, North Macedonia.

Thought I'd be at some percent Turkish, but looks like not. Can it be Vlach / Aromanian? From father's side, there was a significant portion of Vlach population around the area they used to live. Still, I am having trouble understanding.

23andme:

Paternal haplogroup is J-L24,
Maternal haplogroup is U8a1a.

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GEDmatch:

Eurogenes K13:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.78
2 West_Med 19.48
3 North_Atlantic 18.88
4 Baltic 18.71
5 West_Asian 15.43
6 Red_Sea 1.52
7 Siberian 1.37
8 Amerindian 1.18
9 East_Asian 0.69
10 South_Asian 0.59
11 Northeast_African 0.51
12 Oceanian 0.45
13 Sub-Saharan 0.42

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 6.18
2 Bulgarian 6.5
3 Romanian 8.58
4 Central_Greek 11.29
5 Italian_Abruzzo 11.59
6 East_Sicilian 12.94
7 Serbian 13.03
8 Tuscan 13.41
9 West_Sicilian 13.59
10 South_Italian 15.61
11 Ashkenazi 15.68
12 North_Italian 15.86
13 Moldavian 17.76
14 Hungarian 20.9
15 Croatian 21.13
16 Algerian_Jewish 21.79
17 Sephardic_Jewish 21.83
18 Italian_Jewish 21.99
19 Portuguese 22.95
20 Austrian 23.21

Eurogenes K15:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 16.82
2 North_Sea 15.78
3 West_Med 15.67
4 West_Asian 15.58
5 Baltic 11.48
6 Atlantic 9.22
7 Eastern_Euro 9.08
8 Red_Sea 2.47
9 Amerindian 1.1
10 Southeast_Asian 0.59
11 Siberian 0.55
12 South_Asian 0.49
13 Northeast_African 0.46
14 Oceanian 0.39
15 Sub-Saharan 0.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 7.36
2 Bulgarian 8.47
3 Romanian 8.84
4 Greek 10.45
5 Serbian 11.91
6 Central_Greek 12.5
7 Ashkenazi 12.62
8 Italian_Abruzzo 12.93
9 East_Sicilian 13.71
10 Tuscan 13.76
11 Moldavian 15.36
12 West_Sicilian 15.76
13 South_Italian 16.3
14 North_Italian 16.54
15 Hungarian 18.26
16 Croatian 18.55
17 Austrian 19.47
18 Italian_Jewish 20.4
19 Sephardic_Jewish 21.51
20 Spanish_Galicia 21.58

Eurogenes K36:


Amerindian 0.64 Pct
Arabian 2.41 Pct
Armenian 4.22 Pct
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 5.82 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 7.97 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 8.77 Pct
East_Med 7.08 Pct
Eastern_Euro 3.07 Pct
Fennoscandian -
French 2.43 Pct
Iberian 7.13 Pct
Indo-Chinese 0.11 Pct
Italian 25.27 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.83 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 2.85 Pct
North_Caucasian 6.35 Pct
North_Sea 4.15 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 0.83 Pct
South_Asian 0.38 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 4.17 Pct
West_Med 4.46 Pct

[3bex]

Would anyone have a comment on this?

[Kaspias]

Kozani(town), Langadas are traditionally ethnic Turkish settlements and 2-2.5% East Eurasian is not uncommon for Macedonian Turks. If Kozani side is not Turkish speaker, then it should be from rural area, could be anything, Vallahades, Pomak or Muslim Vlach.

Kumanovo should be Albanian, which also reduces East Eurasian to some degree.

[3bex]

Kozani(town), Langadas are traditionally ethnic Turkish settlements and 2-2.5% East Eurasian is not uncommon for Macedonian Turks. If Kozani side is not Turkish speaker, then it should be from rural area, could be anything, Vallahades, Pomak or Muslim Vlach.

Kumanovo should be Albanian, which also reduces East Eurasian to some degree.

Maybe not so many Pomaks around Kozani, Grevena?

After GEDMatch results I find myself very mixed. One guy even told me that I probably have Moldovan / Romanian ancestors that are mixed with Greeks and Bulgars, maybe some Vlach as well but not directly Vlach as they are separated around 10th (?) century so they would not be close to today's Northern Romanian people (23andme results).

[Kaspias]

Maybe not so many Pomaks around Kozani, Grevena?

After GEDMatch results I find myself very mixed. One guy even told me that I probably have Moldovan / Romanian ancestors that are mixed with Greeks and Bulgars, maybe some Vlach as well but not directly Vlach as they are separated around 10th (?) century so they would not be close to today's Northern Romanian people (23andme results).

I also had connection with Brasov and Bucovina, and significantly elevated number of Romanian matches (1st in country-match rank), which is interesting considering I have no documented ancestry from there. See this thread, may be helpful to get a perspective: Transylvanian Ancestry (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?349399-Transylvanian-Ancestry)

There is no Pomak settlements around Kozani as far as I know, there is also no Muslim Vlach settlements either. Yes, it increases the probability of being Vallahades, which can be traced most effectively by looking at where do they migrated in Türkiye at the first stage (Majority of Vallahades migrated to Istanbul after population exchange)

This is the most legit map for Macedonia's ethnic spreading.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Ethnographische_Karte_von_Makedonien_%281899%29.jp g

[3bex]

I also had connection with Brasov and Bucovina, and significantly elevated number of Romanian matches (1st in country-match rank), which is interesting considering I have no documented ancestry from there. See this thread, may be helpful to get a perspective: Transylvanian Ancestry (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?349399-Transylvanian-Ancestry)

There is no Pomak settlements around Kozani as far as I know, there is also no Muslim Vlach settlements either. Yes, it increases the probability of being Vallahades, which can be traced most effectively by looking at where do they migrated in Türkiye at the first stage (Majority of Vallahades migrated to Istanbul after population exchange)

This is the most legit map for Macedonia's ethnic spreading.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Ethnographische_Karte_von_Makedonien_%281899%29.jp g

Regarding the map, I saw it before but needed some more time now to properly locate where my father's side was used to live. I think it should be between Kastoria and Grevena, yellow area (the biggest) in the southwest. They were settled in Istanbul.

However, the Transylvanian Ancestry topic is interesting, as imo my father's side phenotypically neither Turkish, Greek, Romanian nor Bulgarian. They have white skin, round facial features, many moles on the face and body. I am very well familiar with European phenotypes, well enough to guess where one's from in the first 1-2 guesses. The only group of people I can relate my father's side is Hungarians. I have no state record, nor matches, surnames, locations from 23andme to solidify this thought.

This is super challenging to trace stuff. I thought that I'd see that I'm Greek and that'd be it - but it turned out to be a never ending game.