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AndreiDNA
03-12-2025, 12:33 AM
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I will be using these models for a video

Lard
03-12-2025, 12:43 AM
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I will be using these models for a video

Your choice of Central Italians as proxies in your QpAdm model is skewing the dataset and downplaying the stronger genetic overlap Ashkenazi Jews have with Southern Italians. Multiple studies have consistently shown that Ashkenazi Jews cluster much closer to Sicilians and Calabrians than to Tuscans or other Central Italians.

Using Tuscans in the model artificially pulls the results toward a more Northern Italian or even pan-European influence, which doesn’t reflect the historical or genetic reality of Ashkenazi ancestry. The same issue applies to your use of Iron Age Tarquinia samples—while ancient Italian references are relevant, an Etruscan-heavy sample is not the best fit for modeling the Italian component of Ashkenazi Jews.

If you want a more accurate breakdown, you should be using Southern Italians and Sicilians as the Italian reference population. That would better capture the historically and genetically supported Italian admixture in Ashkenazi ancestry instead of shifting the results toward a less representative Central Italian profile.

I already addressed this genetic shell game of cherry-picking out Southern Italians in Ashkenazi study data in my open letter to Dr. Harry Ostrer on The Apricity forum https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?393267-The-Selective-Science-of-Ashkenazi-Jewish-Genetics-%96-Open-Letter-to-Ostrer&highlight=Ostrer: The Selective Science of Ashkenazi Jewish Genetics. This pattern of selectively omitting Southern Italians to distort the true genetic picture of Ashkenazi Jews has been an ongoing issue in many studies.

R1b-L51
03-12-2025, 12:57 AM
Your choice of Central Italians as proxies in your QpAdm model is skewing the dataset and downplaying the stronger genetic overlap Ashkenazi Jews have with Southern Italians. Multiple studies have consistently shown that Ashkenazi Jews cluster much closer to Sicilians and Calabrians than to Tuscans or other Central Italians.

Using Tuscans in the model artificially pulls the results toward a more Northern Italian or even pan-European influence, which doesn’t reflect the historical or genetic reality of Ashkenazi ancestry. The same issue applies to your use of Iron Age Tarquinia samples—while ancient Italian references are relevant, an Etruscan-heavy sample is not the best fit for modeling the Italian component of Ashkenazi Jews.

If you want a more accurate breakdown, you should be using Southern Italians and Sicilians as the Italian reference population. That would better capture the historically and genetically supported Italian admixture in Ashkenazi ancestry instead of shifting the results toward a less representative Central Italian profile.

I already addressed this genetic shell game of cherry-picking out Southern Italians in Ashkenazi study data in my open letter to Dr. Harry Ostrer on The Apricity forum https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?393267-The-Selective-Science-of-Ashkenazi-Jewish-Genetics-%96-Open-Letter-to-Ostrer&highlight=Ostrer: The Selective Science of Ashkenazi Jewish Genetics. This pattern of selectively omitting Southern Italians to distort the true genetic picture of Ashkenazi Jews has been an ongoing issue in many studies.

I'm agree with Lard, it has been proven by the historiography that the Ashkenazim are nothing more than another Turkic peoples of the area, I doubt very much that they have any Lebanese ancestry (except sharing some genetic markers, but put into that premise those who would share the most and would then be 200% Jewish would be the Syrians or the Palestinians).

As for the Sephardim, we are certain that they were former Greco-Roman slaves who simply chose to adopt that religion.

The problem with the Ashkenazi model is not that it does not exist (it will actually exist, I do not doubt it), the problem is that mysteriously it never matches any living sample of modern Ashkenazi, which is still suspicious.

It reminds me of the latest case of trompe l'oeil that we have been able to witness in this infected society, the supposed SARS cov-2 virus presented in a Chinese laboratory, but which was never sequenced nor did it ever appear in any subsequent sample (patients) of deaths from that alleged infection.

The question we ask ourselves is whether a vaccine can be created without having sequenced or even knowing the supposed virus.

Welcome to Divernolandia where they treat us like children without complaining.

Lard
03-12-2025, 02:04 AM
I'm agree with Lard, it has been proven by the historiography that the Ashkenazim are nothing more than another Turkic peoples of the area, I doubt very much that they have any Lebanese ancestry (except sharing some genetic markers, but put into that premise those who would share the most and would then be 200% Jewish would be the Syrians or the Palestinians).

As for the Sephardim, we are certain that they were former Greco-Roman slaves who simply chose to adopt that religion.

The problem with the Ashkenazi model is not that it does not exist (it will actually exist, I do not doubt it), the problem is that mysteriously it never matches any living sample of modern Ashkenazi, which is still suspicious.

It reminds me of the latest case of trompe l'oeil that we have been able to witness in this infected society, the supposed SARS cov-2 virus presented in a Chinese laboratory, but which was never sequenced nor did it ever appear in any subsequent sample (patients) of deaths from that alleged infection.

The question we ask ourselves is whether a vaccine can be created without having sequenced or even knowing the supposed virus.

Welcome to Divernolandia where they treat us like children without complaining.
The whole issue of "Turkic" ancestry in Ashkenazim is dicey at best, especially considering that in antiquity, Anatolia was largely Greek-speaking and heavily Hellenized. Dr. Eran Elhaik and his GPS ancestry model traced ancient Ashkenaz to northeastern Turkey, but in antiquity, that region was inhabited by Pontic Greek colonists, not Turkic peoples.

The Turkic migration into Anatolia didn’t happen until the medieval period, centuries after the supposed formation of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. So while some Turkic admixture may exist due to later interactions in Eastern Europe, the idea that Ashkenazim are primarily Turkic doesn’t align with actual historical and genetic evidence. If anything, the deeper ancestry of Ashkenazi Jews in that region would be tied more to Greco-Roman populations and local Anatolians, not Turkic steppe nomads.

AndreiDNA
03-16-2025, 11:46 PM
Your choice of Central Italians as proxies in your QpAdm model is skewing the dataset and downplaying the stronger genetic overlap Ashkenazi Jews have with Southern Italians. Multiple studies have consistently shown that Ashkenazi Jews cluster much closer to Sicilians and Calabrians than to Tuscans or other Central Italians.

Using Tuscans in the model artificially pulls the results toward a more Northern Italian or even pan-European influence, which doesn’t reflect the historical or genetic reality of Ashkenazi ancestry. The same issue applies to your use of Iron Age Tarquinia samples—while ancient Italian references are relevant, an Etruscan-heavy sample is not the best fit for modeling the Italian component of Ashkenazi Jews.

If you want a more accurate breakdown, you should be using Southern Italians and Sicilians as the Italian reference population. That would better capture the historically and genetically supported Italian admixture in Ashkenazi ancestry instead of shifting the results toward a less representative Central Italian profile.

I already addressed this genetic shell game of cherry-picking out Southern Italians in Ashkenazi study data in my open letter to Dr. Harry Ostrer on The Apricity forum https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?393267-The-Selective-Science-of-Ashkenazi-Jewish-Genetics-%96-Open-Letter-to-Ostrer&highlight=Ostrer: The Selective Science of Ashkenazi Jewish Genetics. This pattern of selectively omitting Southern Italians to distort the true genetic picture of Ashkenazi Jews has been an ongoing issue in many studies.

Here I made a model somewhat like what you suggested
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RMuller
03-17-2025, 12:38 AM
IAs for the Sephardim, we are certain that they were former Greco-Roman slaves who simply chose to adopt that religion.



Did the Sefardic Jews in Spain in 1492 look similiar to Spaniards??



Look at these article.



"Spanish Jews began to take on Spanish last names to avoid immediate detection as Jews. Many of these were shared with Christians, with the most non-Jewish one undoubtedly being “de Jesus”.

https://historicalcuriosities.substack.com/p/anusim-the-crypto-jews-of-northern

R1b-L51
03-17-2025, 12:46 AM
Did the Sefardic Jews in Spain in 1492 look similiar to Spaniards??



Look at these article.



"Spanish Jews began to take on Spanish last names to avoid immediate detection as Jews. Many of these were shared with Christians, with the most non-Jewish one undoubtedly being “de Jesus”.

https://historicalcuriosities.substack.com/p/anusim-the-crypto-jews-of-northern


Look, the first Sephardic Jews arrived in Spain before the Romans themselves (Hispania existed, but they hadn't conquered it; in fact, before Hispania, it was called Sepharad), many of them were Greco-Roman slaves who later adopted that religion.

Two facts cannot be ignored:

1. They didn't have Levantine or Semitic blood, but simply Mediterranean.

2. After 700 years of the Roman-Visigothic Empire, plus another 700 years of Reconquista (about 1,400 in total), as you can imagine, there couldn't be a single pure Jew left who hadn't mixed with Iberians.

So all this is nonsense.

R1b-L51
03-17-2025, 12:50 AM
wrong post (sorry)

RMuller
03-17-2025, 01:10 AM
Look, the first Sephardic Jews arrived in Spain before the Romans themselves (Hispania existed, but they hadn't conquered it; in fact, before Hispania, it was called Sepharad), many of them were Greco-Roman slaves who later adopted that religion.

Two facts cannot be ignored:

1. They didn't have Levantine or Semitic blood, but simply Mediterranean.

2. After 700 years of the Roman-Visigothic Empire, plus another 700 years of Reconquista (about 1,400 in total), as you can imagine, there couldn't be a single pure Jew left who hadn't mixed with Iberians.

So all this is nonsense.




The Surge of Converts to Judaism in Ancient Rome

Why did so many non-Jews, even from the ranks of the Roman elite like Queen Helena and Nero, convert to Judaism?

The conversion of Emperor Constantine of Rome to Christianity in 313 CE1 changed the course of world history. His conversion conferred Christianity as the Roman Empires national religion, beginning the process of it becoming arguably the worlds most dominant religion.

What is not widely known is that before this point Rome was inching ever closer to becoming a Jewish empire.

There are themes about the Jewish population of the Roman empire that are generally accepted by historians and scholars. In the first century of the Common Era, upwards of 10% of the Roman empire was Jewish with anywhere from 2 to 7 million Jews.2 This is quite remarkable. In comparison, consider the United States today where the Jewish community yields tremendous influence, yet only 2.4% of the countrys adults are Jews.3 The percentages of the Roman Empire were significantly greater.

Remarkably, in the first century of the Common Era, upwards of 10% of the Roman empire was Jewish with anywhere from 2 to 7 million Jews.

If we look at the number of Jews in the world at the onset of the Babylonian Exile in 423 BCE we uncover something startling. Best estimates put the world Jewish population at that time at well under a quarter of a million.4 In a span of half a millennium, the Jewish people went from close to extinction to being a force to reckon within the Roman empire.

What could account for such a population explosion?

These were tumultuous times for the Jews. After the success of the Maccabees in the Hanukkah battles, the war with the Greeks went on for 25 more years. This was followed by several civil wars amongst the Jews, culminating in three major wars with the Romans. It was a time of a lot of Jewish bloodshed. Yet the numbers rose astronomically. Why?

Through mostly circumstantial evidence, scholars concluded that there was mass conversion to Judaism in the Roman empire at this time.5 There is no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, that points to the Jewish community at this time proselytizing.6 How are we to understand such a rapid rise in the Jewish population through the avenues of conversion, without an active effort on the part of the Jewish community?

Full article
click here
https://www.jewishamericanheritagemonth.com/judaism/the-surge-of-converts-to-judaism-in-ancient-rome-aish-com-aish.php

R1b-L51
03-17-2025, 05:41 AM
The Surge of Converts to Judaism in Ancient Rome

Why did so many non-Jews, even from the ranks of the Roman elite like Queen Helena and Nero, convert to Judaism?

The conversion of Emperor Constantine of Rome to Christianity in 313 CE1 changed the course of world history. His conversion conferred Christianity as the Roman Empires national religion, beginning the process of it becoming arguably the worlds most dominant religion.

What is not widely known is that before this point Rome was inching ever closer to becoming a Jewish empire.

There are themes about the Jewish population of the Roman empire that are generally accepted by historians and scholars. In the first century of the Common Era, upwards of 10% of the Roman empire was Jewish with anywhere from 2 to 7 million Jews.2 This is quite remarkable. In comparison, consider the United States today where the Jewish community yields tremendous influence, yet only 2.4% of the countrys adults are Jews.3 The percentages of the Roman Empire were significantly greater.

Remarkably, in the first century of the Common Era, upwards of 10% of the Roman empire was Jewish with anywhere from 2 to 7 million Jews.

If we look at the number of Jews in the world at the onset of the Babylonian Exile in 423 BCE we uncover something startling. Best estimates put the world Jewish population at that time at well under a quarter of a million.4 In a span of half a millennium, the Jewish people went from close to extinction to being a force to reckon within the Roman empire.

What could account for such a population explosion?

These were tumultuous times for the Jews. After the success of the Maccabees in the Hanukkah battles, the war with the Greeks went on for 25 more years. This was followed by several civil wars amongst the Jews, culminating in three major wars with the Romans. It was a time of a lot of Jewish bloodshed. Yet the numbers rose astronomically. Why?

Through mostly circumstantial evidence, scholars concluded that there was mass conversion to Judaism in the Roman empire at this time.5 There is no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, that points to the Jewish community at this time proselytizing.6 How are we to understand such a rapid rise in the Jewish population through the avenues of conversion, without an active effort on the part of the Jewish community?

Full article
click here
https://www.jewishamericanheritagemonth.com/judaism/the-surge-of-converts-to-judaism-in-ancient-rome-aish-com-aish.php

Well, my friend, I don't have an answer to your question. The only thing I can tell you is that the Jews were persecuted by Rome and that many took refuge in Sepharad.

Also, as a curiosity, I'll tell you that not all Jews were expelled from Spain, but only those who refused to convert. Furthermore, many of them were Satanists, something they'll never admit to you. The rest remained, mingling (even more) with the rest of Spain for another 500 years. Even I could be Jewish without knowing it.

J. Ketch
03-17-2025, 06:40 AM
Your choice of Central Italians as proxies in your QpAdm model is skewing the dataset and downplaying the stronger genetic overlap Ashkenazi Jews have with Southern Italians. Multiple studies have consistently shown that Ashkenazi Jews cluster much closer to Sicilians and Calabrians than to Tuscans or other Central Italians.

Using Tuscans in the model artificially pulls the results toward a more Northern Italian or even pan-European influence, which doesn’t reflect the historical or genetic reality of Ashkenazi ancestry. The same issue applies to your use of Iron Age Tarquinia samples—while ancient Italian references are relevant, an Etruscan-heavy sample is not the best fit for modeling the Italian component of Ashkenazi Jews.

If you want a more accurate breakdown, you should be using Southern Italians and Sicilians as the Italian reference population. That would better capture the historically and genetically supported Italian admixture in Ashkenazi ancestry instead of shifting the results toward a less representative Central Italian profile.

I already addressed this genetic shell game of cherry-picking out Southern Italians in Ashkenazi study data in my open letter to Dr. Harry Ostrer on The Apricity forum https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?393267-The-Selective-Science-of-Ashkenazi-Jewish-Genetics-%96-Open-Letter-to-Ostrer&highlight=Ostrer: The Selective Science of Ashkenazi Jewish Genetics. This pattern of selectively omitting Southern Italians to distort the true genetic picture of Ashkenazi Jews has been an ongoing issue in many studies.
And why should Ashkenazi Jews be modelled with modern Southern Italians? It's known that Iron Age Central Italians were more similar to modern Northern Italians and Iberians than to modern Central and Southern Italians, who have heavy Levantine admixture contemporary with European Jews. It's also much more likely that a minority group who maintained such a strong Jewish identity in Italy were closer to half Jewish origin (paternally) than one quarter.

The models posted by the OP have a better fit with Tuscans (who are still too Levantine to be appropriate) than with Southern Italians as well.

Peterski
03-17-2025, 07:04 AM
Instead of or in addition to Turkic Nomad use Krakauer Berg Slavs.

Apuan
03-23-2025, 03:08 PM
And why should Ashkenazi Jews be modelled with modern Southern Italians? It's known that Iron Age Central Italians were more similar to modern Northern Italians and Iberians than to modern Central and Southern Italians, who have heavy Levantine admixture contemporary with European Jews. It's also much more likely that a minority group who maintained such a strong Jewish identity in Italy were closer to half Jewish origin (paternally) than one quarter.

The models posted by the OP have a better fit with Tuscans (who are still too Levantine to be appropriate) than with Southern Italians as well.

You need to remember that in antiquity a sizeable Jewish population lived in Rome and southern Italy not in Tuscany/ Northern Italy.

Leto
03-26-2025, 02:59 PM
The study on the medieval Jewish community of Erfurt, Central Germany shows there were two distinct groups of Jews in that area - one was almost identical to modern Sephardic Jews living in Turkey, and the other was like 2/3 the former and 1/3 Slavic/Eastern European. Later on, the two groups would've merged into one. So we need to determine the ancestral make-up of Sephardim first.

Feiichy
03-26-2025, 03:01 PM
AJ should be modeled with pre-Turkic Anatolians (Imperial Romans) primairly.

Opie
03-26-2025, 03:07 PM
AJ should be modeled with pre-Turkic Anatolians (Imperial Romans) primairly.

Jews are not Anatolians.

Opie
03-26-2025, 03:15 PM
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/razib-khan-the-origins-of-ashkenazi-jews.41930/

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Dušan
03-26-2025, 03:32 PM
The study on the medieval Jewish community of Erfurt, Central Germany shows there were two distinct groups of Jews in that area - one was almost identical to modern Sephardic Jews living in Turkey, and the other was like 2/3 the former and 1/3 Slavic/Eastern European. Later on, the two groups would've merged into one. So we need to determine the ancestral make-up of Sephardim first.

Some Erfurt samples could even be modeled as cca 60-55% South Italian+Lebanese and 40-45% Russian.

https://www.cell.com/cms/10.1016/j.cell.2022.11.002/asset/50920336-0463-4fb1-9bc7-a1ec83913b3b/main.assets/gr3_lrg.jpg

Feiichy
03-26-2025, 04:13 PM
Jews are not Anatolians.

All latest papers and history point that mainly they should be Anatolian/Roman converts to Judaism.

Papers with north Italian modeling are outdated and historically nonsensical.

Opie
03-26-2025, 04:18 PM
All latest papers and history point that mainly they should be Anatolian/Roman converts to Judaism.

Papers with north Italian modeling are outdated and historically nonsensical.

Post those latest papers.

Opie
03-26-2025, 07:19 PM
https://hms.harvard.edu/news/ancient-dna-provides-new-insights-ashkenazi-jewish-history

“The analysis revealed two distinct subgroups within the remains: one with greater Middle Eastern ancestry, which may represent Jews with origins in Western Germany, and another with greater Eastern and Central European ancestry. The modern Ashkenazi population formed as a mix of these groups and absorbed little to no outside genetic influences over the 600 years that followed, the authors said.”

Opie
03-27-2025, 11:57 AM
Well, my friend, I don't have an answer to your question. The only thing I can tell you is that the Jews were persecuted by Rome and that many took refuge in Sepharad.

Also, as a curiosity, I'll tell you that not all Jews were expelled from Spain, but only those who refused to convert. Furthermore, many of them were Satanists, something they'll never admit to you. The rest remained, mingling (even more) with the rest of Spain for another 500 years. Even I could be Jewish without knowing it.

Are you talking Spanish Inquisition?

After that many Sephardic Jews sought refugee in Ottoman Empire.

Leto
03-28-2025, 06:55 PM
Will someone who is 62.5% South Italian, 25% Lebanese and 12.5% Polish be almost identical to Ashkenazi Jews?

Dušan
03-28-2025, 07:09 PM
Will someone who is 62.5% South Italian, 25% Lebanese and 12.5% Polish be almost identical to Ashkenazi Jews?


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MIX,0.1021569,0.1438584,-0.0101354,-0.0396783,0.0090544,-0.0129726,-0.0010442,-0.0009663,0.0020857,0.0128498,0.0021261,0.0003142, 0.000853,0.0017487,-0.0066877,-0.0002688,0.003298,0.0006551,0.0027922,-0.0034185,-0.0023498,-0.0001073,0.0009743,0.0002223,-0.001673




Distance to: MIX
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0.01355629 Greek_Crete
0.01431777 Cretan_Turk
0.01433692 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.01476224 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.01544251 Italian_Calabria
0.01589491 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.01637256 Italian_Campania
0.01665422 Italian_Basilicata
0.01666847 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.01680706 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.01709540 Ashkenazi_Romania
0.01713067 Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.01849970 Sicilian_East_Syracuse
0.01868501 Italian_Apulia
0.01904737 Greek_Apulia
0.01912157 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.01924354 Greek_Crete_Heraklion
0.01982913 Ashkenazi_Latvia
0.02021949 Greek_Crete_Chania
0.02023439 Sicilian_East
0.02034932 Ashkenazi_Austria
0.02110658 Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.02122676 Ashkenazi_France
0.02166743 Italian_Abruzzo

Opie
03-28-2025, 07:36 PM
Will someone who is 62.5% South Italian, 25% Lebanese and 12.5% Polish be almost identical to Ashkenazi Jews?

Kind of.

Opie
03-28-2025, 07:39 PM
I'm agree with Lard, it has been proven by the historiography that the Ashkenazim are nothing more than another Turkic peoples of the area, I doubt very much that they have any Lebanese ancestry (except sharing some genetic markers, but put into that premise those who would share the most and would then be 200% Jewish would be the Syrians or the Palestinians).

As for the Sephardim, we are certain that they were former Greco-Roman slaves who simply chose to adopt that religion.

The problem with the Ashkenazi model is not that it does not exist (it will actually exist, I do not doubt it), the problem is that mysteriously it never matches any living sample of modern Ashkenazi, which is still suspicious.

It reminds me of the latest case of trompe l'oeil that we have been able to witness in this infected society, the supposed SARS cov-2 virus presented in a Chinese laboratory, but which was never sequenced nor did it ever appear in any subsequent sample (patients) of deaths from that alleged infection.

The question we ask ourselves is whether a vaccine can be created without having sequenced or even knowing the supposed virus.

Welcome to Divernolandia where they treat us like children without complaining.

Turkic contribution to Askhenazis insignificant

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Leto
03-31-2025, 02:46 PM
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Italian_Calabria,0.1034368,0.1481404,-0.0103236,-0.0469965,0.0126176,-0.0150252,-0.0024381,-0.0015865,0.0044482,0.0212305,0.0022125,0.0029974,-0.004887,-0.0017372,-0.0065484,-0.0027843,0.0058021,0.0007285,0.0029381,-0.0053619,-0.0026049,-0.0003245,0.000339,1.5e-05,-0.0024248
Italian_Calabria,0.1034368,0.1481404,-0.0103236,-0.0469965,0.0126176,-0.0150252,-0.0024381,-0.0015865,0.0044482,0.0212305,0.0022125,0.0029974,-0.004887,-0.0017372,-0.0065484,-0.0027843,0.0058021,0.0007285,0.0029381,-0.0053619,-0.0026049,-0.0003245,0.000339,1.5e-05,-0.0024248
Italian_Calabria,0.1034368,0.1481404,-0.0103236,-0.0469965,0.0126176,-0.0150252,-0.0024381,-0.0015865,0.0044482,0.0212305,0.0022125,0.0029974,-0.004887,-0.0017372,-0.0065484,-0.0027843,0.0058021,0.0007285,0.0029381,-0.0053619,-0.0026049,-0.0003245,0.000339,1.5e-05,-0.0024248
Italian_Calabria,0.1034368,0.1481404,-0.0103236,-0.0469965,0.0126176,-0.0150252,-0.0024381,-0.0015865,0.0044482,0.0212305,0.0022125,0.0029974,-0.004887,-0.0017372,-0.0065484,-0.0027843,0.0058021,0.0007285,0.0029381,-0.0053619,-0.0026049,-0.0003245,0.000339,1.5e-05,-0.0024248
Italian_Calabria,0.1034368,0.1481404,-0.0103236,-0.0469965,0.0126176,-0.0150252,-0.0024381,-0.0015865,0.0044482,0.0212305,0.0022125,0.0029974,-0.004887,-0.0017372,-0.0065484,-0.0027843,0.0058021,0.0007285,0.0029381,-0.0053619,-0.0026049,-0.0003245,0.000339,1.5e-05,-0.002424
Polish,0.1318405,0.1292694,0.0698685,0.0577382,0.0 406754,0.0217127,0.0086781,0.0108626,-0.0009329,-0.0185524,-0.0043488,-0.0064187,0.013093,0.0186295,-0.0070244,-0.0005595,0.0015455,-7.41e-05,0.0026948,0.0012872,-0.0031286,-0.0031185,0.0056063,-0.0033328,-8.76e-05



MIX,0.1021569,0.1438584,-0.0101354,-0.0396783,0.0090544,-0.0129726,-0.0010442,-0.0009663,0.0020857,0.0128498,0.0021261,0.0003142, 0.000853,0.0017487,-0.0066877,-0.0002688,0.003298,0.0006551,0.0027922,-0.0034185,-0.0023498,-0.0001073,0.0009743,0.0002223,-0.001673




Distance to: MIX
0.01351563 Ashkenazi_Belarus
0.01355629 Greek_Crete
0.01431777 Cretan_Turk
0.01433692 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.01476224 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.01544251 Italian_Calabria
0.01589491 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.01637256 Italian_Campania
0.01665422 Italian_Basilicata
0.01666847 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.01680706 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.01709540 Ashkenazi_Romania
0.01713067 Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.01849970 Sicilian_East_Syracuse
0.01868501 Italian_Apulia
0.01904737 Greek_Apulia
0.01912157 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.01924354 Greek_Crete_Heraklion
0.01982913 Ashkenazi_Latvia
0.02021949 Greek_Crete_Chania
0.02023439 Sicilian_East
0.02034932 Ashkenazi_Austria
0.02110658 Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.02122676 Ashkenazi_France
0.02166743 Italian_Abruzzo
Thank you. That hypothetical mix might be something close to their genetic ancestry. Though I'm not saying they necessarily look like that because Ashkenazi Jews are very inbred and have a limited gene pool.