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gixajo

07-23-2025, 01:20 PM

For fun.:)

Scaled.

No penalization needed.

https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21),0.1243381,0.18289186,0.011618857,-0.090532286,0.064026571,-0.043095238,-0.0027192857,-0.0035053333,0.041868857,0.086275619,0.0098903333, 0.012852714,-0.023601619,0.00068157143,-0.03892581,-0.0085237143,0.020755905,0.005152,0.013120476,-0.013006286,-0.0095070476,0.0055938571,-0.0088560952,-0.0053305238,-0.0041
Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29),0.12265421 ,0.08898131,0.044110172,0.11446552,-0.027262276,0.045545793,0.0040274483,-0.0023793448,-0.054727793,-0.074653966,0.00097427586,-0.0005477931,-0.00097403448,-0.021706448,0.036808138,0.012134207,-0.0064877586,-0.0017474828,-0.002513931,0.01092769,-0.003807931,0.001262069,0.0098003448,0.019886379,-0.0044801724
Eastern_HG:Russia_Karelia_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=15), 0.12004533,0.0324292,0.12910107,0.207044,-0.0099504667,0.057377133,-0.021574133,-0.022829667,-0.0087809333,-0.082516533,0.021511067,-0.016645267,0.030981,-0.043277733,0.024728267,0.026261733,-0.0050240667,-0.0029729333,-0.0043994,0.014690333,-0.003577,0.016091267,0.0090052667,-0.019874133,-0.0084862667
Western_HG:Luxembourg_Mesolithic_Loschbour_(n=1),0 .130897,0.109677,0.203645,0.198,0.162492,0.059125, 0.015041,0.038075,0.100217,0.016219,-0.015427,-0.017235,0.019921,-0.001239,0.061346,0.07067,0.002608,0.007348,-0.008925,0.065406,0.117543,0.010387,-0.049422,-0.173639,0.019519
Caucasus_HG:Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_K lde_(CHG)_(n=1),0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
Iberomaurissian:Morocco_UP_Iberomaurusian_Taforalt _(n=6),-0.19008467,0.082257667,-0.0242615,-0.084626,0.026620333,-0.056056833,-0.070463667,0.020037667,0.15632417,0.0034928333,0. 0198655,-0.032521,0.07547,-0.051494,0.072248333,-0.038848833,0.003716,-0.0654345,-0.144134,0.0378515,-0.038473833,-0.124951,0.071894333,-0.013816833,0.016186
Levant_Neolithic:Israel_N_PPNB_(n=1),0.072847,0.17 264,-0.030924,-0.147935,0.034468,-0.068607,-0.016451,-0.011999,0.072606,0.048839,0.010555,-0.013038,0.029583,-0.008257,-0.024837,0.007425,0.020861,-0.008615,-0.004651,0.023886,-0.00025,0.004328,0,-0.005302,-0.006826
South_America:Brazil_Cabecuda_3400BP_(n=2),0.05065 15,-0.3132905,0.1131365,0.0893095,-0.1117135,-0.02008,-0.291413,-0.3454475,-0.017691,-0.0195905,0.0002435,0.002098,0.0041625,0.0253915,-0.006175,-0.0003315,0.004824,-0.0008235,0.0001885,0.007566,0.0033065,0.002102,-0.0065325,0.0021085,-0.002874
East-Asian_Neolithic:China_Fujian_LN_Tanshishan_(n=1),0 .005691,-0.427538,-0.04186,-0.058463,0.123408,0.055778,-0.00846,-0.01823,-0.020043,-0.024055,0.035076,0.0003,-0.004906,0.003578,-0.000271,0.014585,0.001825,0.001267,0.003017,-0.012256,0.005865,-0.009398,0.002958,-0.007832,-0.03341
Iran_Neolithic:Iran_N_Ganj_Dareh_(n=7),0.044065857 ,0.066154714,-0.15634357,0.0068752857,-0.124067,0.02263,0.015678714,-0.00039542857,-0.082101714,-0.054827,-0.0010208571,-0.0017127143,0.0049484286,-0.0081198571,0.033833143,0.055801143,-0.0064821429,0.0092844286,0.0096788571,-0.035034857,0.0075402857,-0.029800286,-0.011972571,-0.037320429,0.022187714
Africa:Cameroon_Shum_Laka_8000BP_(n=2),-0.602124,0.055854,0.014519,0.026163,-0.004616,0.003765,0.1264355,-0.100842,0.0131915,-0.008474,-0.001299,-0.023754,-0.0178395,-0.0073625,0.004004,-0.002519,0.012582,0.01951,-0.0029535,-0.003752,-0.00287,-0.0025965,0.002465,-0.001205,-0.0017965
North_America:Canada_Lucier_4845BP_(n=1),0.05122,-0.299581,0.111628,0.086887,-0.092325,-0.02259,-0.233601,-0.279219,-0.01493,-0.020228,0.002923,-0.004346,-0.000892,0.008257,-0.009093,-0.002387,0.005215,-0.003294,0.006662,-0.000125,-0.00262,-0.003462,-0.002218,0.006989,-0.001078

gixajo

07-23-2025, 01:21 PM

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 3.2061% / 0.03206069
55.8 European_Early_Farmers
31.2 Steppe
10.2 Western_HG
2.8 Iberomaurissian

Beowulf

07-23-2025, 01:23 PM

Target: Beowulf_Scaled
Distance: 0.0262% / 0.02624887
53.3 European_Early_Farmers
38.0 Steppe
7.2 Western_HG
1.5 Iberomaurissian

gixajo

07-23-2025, 01:27 PM

53.3 European_Early_Farmers

Not bad, not bad...:thumb001:

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

07-23-2025, 01:31 PM

Target: Viriato_scaled
Distance: 3.5656% / 0.03565554
54.2 European_Early_Farmers
32.4 Steppe
6.8 Western_HG
6.6 Iberomaurissian

gixajo

07-23-2025, 01:33 PM

54.2 European_Early_Farmers

Tudo pode ser melhorado, primo.

Rhegion

07-23-2025, 01:37 PM

Target: Me
Distance: 2.1709% / 0.02170861
41.2 European_Early_Farmers
21.8 Levant_Neolithic
20.0 Steppe
8.0 Caucasus_HG
7.2 Iran_Neolithic
1.8 Iberomaurissian

Target: Dad
Distance: 1.7457% / 0.01745678
33.8 European_Early_Farmers
29.2 Levant_Neolithic
22.2 Steppe
9.8 Iran_Neolithic
4.2 Caucasus_HG
0.8 Iberomaurissian

Target: Maternal_Grandpa
Distance: 1.9291% / 0.01929124
46.2 European_Early_Farmers
18.4 Steppe
15.4 Levant_Neolithic
11.6 Caucasus_HG
6.0 Iran_Neolithic
2.4 Iberomaurissian

Target: Maternal_Grandma
Distance: 2.3542% / 0.02354174
42.0 European_Early_Farmers
22.6 Levant_Neolithic
16.0 Steppe
10.4 Caucasus_HG
7.4 Iran_Neolithic
1.6 Iberomaurissian

Target: Cousin
Distance: 1.5780% / 0.01578018
40.4 European_Early_Farmers
22.8 Levant_Neolithic
16.8 Steppe
10.6 Iran_Neolithic
8.8 Caucasus_HG
0.6 Iberomaurissian

Kenshiro

07-23-2025, 01:40 PM

Target: Kenshiro_Scaled
Distance: 2.2832% / 0.02283212
56.0 European_Early_Farmers
32.0 Steppe
8.4 Iran_Neolithic
2.8 Levant_Neolithic
0.6 Iberomaurissian
0.2 East-Asian_Neolithic

gixajo

07-23-2025, 01:44 PM

41.2 European_Early_Farmers

33.8 European_Early_Farmers

46.2 European_Early_Farmers

42.0 European_Early_Farmers

40.4 European_Early_Farmers

More than enough EEF for your family to be considered respectable.but it seems that your compatriot Kenshiros is the winner...for now.

Because...the more EEF, the better person.:)

56.0 European_Early_Farmers

celticdragongod

07-23-2025, 01:51 PM

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.15041488 Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29)
0.21044722 European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21)
0.24467333 Eastern_HG:Russia_Karelia_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=15)
0.27366366 Levant_Neolithic:Israel_N_PPNB_(n=1)
0.27700425 Caucasus_HG:Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_K lde_(CHG)_(n=1)
0.33303449 Iran_Neolithic:Iran_N_Ganj_Dareh_(n=7)
0.36918100 Western_HG:Luxembourg_Mesolithic_Loschbour_(n=1)
0.48426009 Iberomaurissian:Morocco_UP_Iberomaurusian_Taforalt _(n=6)
0.60133773 North_America:Canada_Lucier_4845BP_(n=1)
0.60946084 East-Asian_Neolithic:China_Fujian_LN_Tanshishan_(n=1)
0.67376529 South_America:Brazil_Cabecuda_3400BP_(n=2)
0.76410325 Africa:Cameroon_Shum_Laka_8000BP_(n=2)

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 4.8426% / 0.04842565
51.6 Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29)
38.2 European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21)
10.2 Western_HG:Luxembourg_Mesolithic_Loschbour_(n=1)

gixajo

07-23-2025, 01:53 PM

38.2 European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21)

What can I say? The important thing is to participate!:rolleyes:

Figaro

07-23-2025, 01:56 PM

Target: FigaroFather
Distance: 4.3766% / 0.04376590
49.8 Steppe
40.4 European_Early_Farmers
9.8 Western_HG

Target: FigaroMother
Distance: 4.4557% / 0.04455675
46.4 Steppe
39.6 European_Early_Farmers
9.4 Western_HG
4.6 Eastern_HG

gixajo

07-23-2025, 02:00 PM

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40.4 European_Early_Farmers

39.6 European_Early_Farmers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_bI6hlINok

Beowulf

07-23-2025, 02:02 PM

My maternal grandpa is the less EEF member of the family yet.

Target: Jose_asdrubal_Scaled
Distance: 0.0256% / 0.02560088
47.6 European_Early_Farmers
40.5 Steppe
10.7 Western_HG
1.2 Iberomaurissian

Rhegion

07-23-2025, 02:07 PM

Target: Kenshiro_Scaled
Distance: 2.2832% / 0.02283212
56.0 European_Early_Farmers
32.0 Steppe
8.4 Iran_Neolithic
2.8 Levant_Neolithic
0.6 Iberomaurissian
0.2 East-Asian_Neolithic

:thumb001:

More than enough EEF for your family to be considered respectable.but it seems that your compatriot Kenshiros is the winner...for now.

Because...the more EEF, the better person.:)

Apparently, the north of Apulia is uncatchable at EEF level for many southern Italians :D However the difference with an Apulian from the southern part (Salento, Lecce) is also very interesting and demonstrates once again the high genetic variety of the Italian peninsula even within the same region:

Target: Apulia_(LE)_Lecce
Distance: 3.3657% / 0.03365706
45.6 European_Early_Farmers
20.0 Steppe
18.4 Levant_Neolithic
8.6 Caucasus_HG
6.8 Iran_Neolithic
0.6 East-Asian_Neolithic

Rædwald

07-23-2025, 02:08 PM

Target: Rædwald
Distance: 3.7678% / 0.03767788
42.8 Steppe
41.6 European_Early_Farmers
9.6 Western_HG
5.6 Eastern_HG
0.2 East-Asian_Neolithic
0.2 North_America

Distance to: Rædwald
0.15557940 Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29)
0.20149800 European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21)
0.24453964 Eastern_HG:Russia_Karelia_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=15)
0.26310087 Levant_Neolithic:Israel_N_PPNB_(n=1)
0.27594833 Caucasus_HG:Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_K lde_(CHG)_(n=1)
0.32621886 Iran_Neolithic:Iran_N_Ganj_Dareh_(n=7)
0.36636340 Western_HG:Luxembourg_Mesolithic_Loschbour_(n=1)
0.47610839 Iberomaurissian:Morocco_UP_Iberomaurusian_Taforalt _(n=6)
0.58574148 North_America:Canada_Lucier_4845BP_(n=1)
0.59524209 East-Asian_Neolithic:China_Fujian_LN_Tanshishan_(n=1)
0.65784771 South_America:Brazil_Cabecuda_3400BP_(n=2)
0.75825181 Africa:Cameroon_Shum_Laka_8000BP_(n=2)

gixajo

07-23-2025, 02:09 PM

My maternal grandpa is the less EEF member of the family yet.

47.6 European_Early_Farmers

It's okay, since he's your family, we forgive him.:patpat:

gixajo

07-23-2025, 02:13 PM

41.6 European_Early_Farmers
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With a little more EEF, you could perhaps become as handsome as Richmondbread.

Try growing some wheat in a pot, this could help you to increase a 1% in your EFF score.

tk'es

07-23-2025, 03:19 PM

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 4.8056% / 0.04805557
36.8 Caucasus_HG
28.8 Steppe
16.0 European_Early_Farmers
14.6 Levant_Neolithic
2.6 East-Asian_Neolithic
0.8 North_America
0.4 Iran_Neolithic

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 4.8182% / 0.04818202 | ADC: 0.25x RC
36.8 Caucasus_HG
29.6 Steppe
15.2 European_Early_Farmers
15.2 Levant_Neolithic
3.2 East-Asian_Neolithic

Kavkaz/Indo-European

Gannicus

07-23-2025, 03:28 PM

Probably not even 10th or 20th place.

Just about half and half. Perfectly balanced. Thanos would approve.

I've been to Panera bread a few times over the years. :P

Distance to: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
0.16261359 Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29)
0.19514822 European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21)
0.25584829 Levant_Neolithic:Israel_N_PPNB_(n=1)
0.25739880 Eastern_HG:Russia_Karelia_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=15)
0.27548188 Caucasus_HG:Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_K lde_(CHG)_(n=1)
0.32738770 Iran_Neolithic:Iran_N_Ganj_Dareh_(n=7)
0.37043055 Western_HG:Luxembourg_Mesolithic_Loschbour_(n=1)
0.47731505 Iberomaurissian:Morocco_UP_Iberomaurusian_Taforalt _(n=6)
0.59917026 North_America:Canada_Lucier_4845BP_(n=1)
0.60973486 East-Asian_Neolithic:China_Fujian_LN_Tanshishan_(n=1)
0.67051024 South_America:Brazil_Cabecuda_3400BP_(n=2)
0.76082027 Africa:Cameroon_Shum_Laka_8000BP_(n=2)

Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0427% / 0.04272620
47.0 Steppe
42.5 European_Early_Farmers
10.5 Western_HG

Distance to: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
0.06002531 44.80% European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21) + 55.20% Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29)
0.06776070 57.60% European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21) + 42.40% Eastern_HG:Russia_Karelia_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=15)
0.09112427 64.00% Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29) + 36.00% Levant_Neolithic:Israel_N_PPNB_(n=1)
0.10325393 49.80% Eastern_HG:Russia_Karelia_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=15) + 50.20% Levant_Neolithic:Israel_N_PPNB_(n=1)
0.13991872 71.60% European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21) + 28.40% Western_HG:Luxembourg_Mesolithic_Loschbour_(n=1)

Nurzat

07-23-2025, 03:28 PM

Target: Nurzat_dad
Distance: 5.1870% / 0.05187047
45.0 Steppe
43.0 European_Early_Farmers
5.6 Western_HG
5.4 Eastern_HG
1.0 East-Asian_Neolithic

Target: Nurzat_maternal_grandma
Distance: 4.4471% / 0.04447107
46.2 European_Early_Farmers
45.4 Steppe
5.8 Western_HG
1.8 Levant_Neolithic
0.8 East-Asian_Neolithic

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 4.1012% / 0.04101245
46.0 European_Early_Farmers
45.0 Steppe
4.4 Western_HG
4.2 Eastern_HG
0.4 East-Asian_Neolithic

PaulieVanZant

07-23-2025, 03:51 PM

So far I´m the least. Will change with the arrival of the East Slavs tho.

Target: Paulie_Scaled
Distance: 4.1094% / 0.04109413
50.6 Steppe
37.6 European_Early_Farmers
11.8 Western_HG

Distance to: Paulie_Scaled
0.14932000 Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29)
0.21071171 European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21)
0.24124812 Eastern_HG:Russia_Karelia_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=15)
0.27293093 Levant_Neolithic:Israel_N_PPNB_(n=1)
0.27769288 Caucasus_HG:Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_K lde_(CHG)_(n=1)
0.33320658 Iran_Neolithic:Iran_N_Ganj_Dareh_(n=7)
0.36258879 Western_HG:Luxembourg_Mesolithic_Loschbour_(n=1)
0.48621025 Iberomaurissian:Morocco_UP_Iberomaurusian_Taforalt _(n=6)
0.60266580 North_America:Canada_Lucier_4845BP_(n=1)
0.60838256 East-Asian_Neolithic:China_Fujian_LN_Tanshishan_(n=1)
0.67521788 South_America:Brazil_Cabecuda_3400BP_(n=2)
0.76277474 Africa:Cameroon_Shum_Laka_8000BP_(n=2)

Coastal Elite

07-23-2025, 03:59 PM

Target: CE_scaled
Distance: 2.6792% / 0.02679172
48.4 Steppe
46.8 European_Early_Farmers
4.8 Western_HG

vader

07-23-2025, 04:02 PM

Target: AncestryDNA_scaled
Distance: 3.7075% / 0.03707538
53.8 European_Early_Farmers
31.0 Steppe
7.4 Western_HG
7.0 Iberomaurissian
0.8 Africa

Target: Wife_scaled
Distance: 2.4351% / 0.02435117
49.2 South_America
27.4 European_Early_Farmers
13.0 Steppe
3.6 Africa
3.4 Western_HG
2.0 Iberomaurissian
1.4 Iran_Neolithic

Gannicus

07-23-2025, 04:25 PM

Katarzyna

07-23-2025, 05:05 PM

I am probably one of the lowest in this group

Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(real)
Distance: 5.8901% / 0.05890061
44.8 Steppe
34.0 European_Early_Farmers
12.0 Western_HG
9.2 Eastern_HG

Target: Katarzyna_AncestryDNA(DNAGenics)
Distance: 5.5273% / 0.05527310
46.2 Steppe
32.6 European_Early_Farmers
10.8 Eastern_HG
10.4 Western_HG

Katarzyna

07-23-2025, 05:16 PM

Vessna

07-23-2025, 05:21 PM

Target: Vessna_scaled
Distance: 7.2152% / 0.07215178
38.6 Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29)
35.4 European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21)
17.2 Eastern_HG:Russia_Karelia_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=15)
8.8 Western_HG:Luxembourg_Mesolithic_Loschbour_(n=1)

Dušan

07-23-2025, 05:36 PM

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 5.5186% / 0.05518626
49.4 European_Early_Farmers
42.2 Steppe
5.2 Western_HG
3.2 Eastern_HG

Fabricius

07-23-2025, 05:37 PM

Target: Fabricius_K13-G25
Distance: 2.7965% / 0.02796454
47.6 European_Early_Farmers
34.2 Steppe
7.6 Western_HG
5.6 Africa
5.0 Iberomaurissian

Target: Fabricius_K15-G25
Distance: 2.9059% / 0.02905901
47.8 European_Early_Farmers
33.4 Steppe
8.2 Western_HG
6.2 Africa
4.4 Iberomaurissian

Target: Fabricius_K36-G25
Distance: 2.8229% / 0.02822896
48.8 European_Early_Farmers
32.6 Steppe
6.8 Western_HG
6.6 Iberomaurissian
5.2 Africa

Target: Fabricius_MyHeritage-to-g25(simulated)
Distance: 2.5528% / 0.02552779
47.8 European_Early_Farmers
34.6 Steppe
6.4 Iberomaurissian
6.0 Western_HG
5.2 Africa

Distance to: Fabricius_MyHeritage-to-g25(simulated)
0.16570140 European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21)
0.20044654 Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29)
0.20642909 Levant_Neolithic:Israel_N_PPNB_(n=1)
0.26562374 Caucasus_HG:Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_K lde_(CHG)_(n=1)
0.29485385 Eastern_HG:Russia_Karelia_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=15)
0.30457196 Iran_Neolithic:Iran_N_Ganj_Dareh_(n=7)
0.40071721 Western_HG:Luxembourg_Mesolithic_Loschbour_(n=1)
0.41311617 Iberomaurissian:Morocco_UP_Iberomaurusian_Taforalt _(n=6)
0.59074471 East-Asian_Neolithic:China_Fujian_LN_Tanshishan_(n=1)
0.59546995 North_America:Canada_Lucier_4845BP_(n=1)
0.66708626 South_America:Brazil_Cabecuda_3400BP_(n=2)
0.69411659 Africa:Cameroon_Shum_Laka_8000BP_(n=2)

Gannicus

07-23-2025, 05:43 PM

It’s looking like I’ll just take the participation trophy Gixajo.

Kenshiro

07-23-2025, 06:07 PM

More than enough EEF for your family to be considered respectable.but it seems that your compatriot Kenshiros is the winner...for now.

Because...the more EEF, the better person.:)

Only an Sardinian can delete my record ahaha

Highwayman

07-23-2025, 06:10 PM

exploreyourdna_simulated_scaled
Distance: 3.3922% / 0.03392224
49.4 Steppe
40.4 European_Early_Farmers
10.2 Western_H

Kenshiro

07-23-2025, 06:13 PM

:thumb001:

Apparently, the north of Apulia is uncatchable at EEF level for many southern Italians :D However the difference with an Apulian from the southern part (Salento, Lecce) is also very interesting and demonstrates once again the high genetic variety of the Italian peninsula even within the same region:

Target: Apulia_(LE)_Lecce
Distance: 3.3657% / 0.03365706
45.6 European_Early_Farmers
20.0 Steppe
18.4 Levant_Neolithic
8.6 Caucasus_HG
6.8 Iran_Neolithic
0.6 East-Asian_Neolithic

Fun fact, when i was kid i go very much in campaign in Apulia, with my grandpa and his "Gang" ahaha, his friends also had an oil mill, it was cool haha

Celestia

07-23-2025, 06:17 PM

Celestia

46.0 Steppe
40.6 European_Early_Farmers
12.4 Western_HG
1.0 Africa

1.0 mama africa

Feiichy

07-23-2025, 06:20 PM

Target: Feiichy_scaled
Distance: 4.9744% / 0.04974402

46.6 Steppe
44.0 European_Early_Farmers
9.4 Western_HG

friend from my avatar

Target: Martin_scaled
Distance: 5.5008% / 0.05500790

45.0 Steppe
40.8 European_Early_Farmers
9.0 Western_HG
5.0 Eastern_HG
0.2 Iberomaurissian

leachim_x

07-23-2025, 06:22 PM

Target: Lx_K36
Distance: 3.7613% / 0.03761256
47.4 Steppe
42.2 European_Early_Farmers
10.4 Western_HG

ScandinavianCelt

07-23-2025, 06:24 PM

Not me, but I drink more milk than all of you. :)

Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
Distance: 0.0352% / 0.03523539
53.4 Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29)
36.3 European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21)
9.9 Western_HG:Luxembourg_Mesolithic_Loschbour_(n=1)
0.4 Iberomaurissian:Morocco_UP_Iberomaurusian_Taforalt _(n=6)

Xavier727

07-23-2025, 07:10 PM

Target: scaled
Distance: 3.3788% / 0.03378772
51.2 Steppe
37.2 European_Early_Farmers
10.8 Western_HG
0.8 Eastern_HG

majevica

07-23-2025, 07:11 PM

Target: scaled(AncestryDNA)
Distance: 4.3618% / 0.04361837
47.4 European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21)
46.2 Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29)
6.4 Western_HG:Luxembourg_Mesolithic_Loschbour_(n=1)

Mopi The Dire Wolf

07-23-2025, 07:20 PM

Target: Mopi_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 2.4058% / 0.02405804
51.2 European_Early_Farmers
41.2 Steppe
6.8 Western_HG
0.8 Iberomaurissian

Distance to: Mopi_simulated_g25_scaled
0.16137054 European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21)
0.18348148 Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29)
0.22602260 Levant_Neolithic:Israel_N_PPNB_(n=1)
0.26899799 Caucasus_HG:Georgia_Mesolithic_Trialetian_Kotias_K lde_(CHG)_(n=1)
0.28120691 Eastern_HG:Russia_Karelia_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=15)
0.32035851 Iran_Neolithic:Iran_N_Ganj_Dareh_(n=7)
0.38942488 Western_HG:Luxembourg_Mesolithic_Loschbour_(n=1)
0.46352327 Iberomaurissian:Morocco_UP_Iberomaurusian_Taforalt _(n=6)
0.60347607 North_America:Canada_Lucier_4845BP_(n=1)
0.60496907 East-Asian_Neolithic:China_Fujian_LN_Tanshishan_(n=1)
0.67518855 South_America:Brazil_Cabecuda_3400BP_(n=2)
0.75170369 Africa:Cameroon_Shum_Laka_8000BP_(n=2)

gixajo

07-23-2025, 07:29 PM

Only an Sardinian can delete my record ahaha

Don't be so sure about that, there's another peoples in Europe that can beat you. Think that I was only 0.2% off your record.:rolleyes:

But the competition is supposed to be for forum members only so I will not post gixajo_enana or gixajo_dad results.

Observer9000

07-23-2025, 07:36 PM

ain't no way I'm winning this one.

Opie

07-23-2025, 07:50 PM

Don't be so sure about that, there's another peoples in Europe that can beat you. Think that I was only 0.2% off your record.:rolleyes:

But the competition is supposed to be for forum members only so I will not post gixajo_enana or gixajo_dad results.

The bald guy in your avatar beats everyone in this game.

Kostek

07-23-2025, 08:14 PM

Target: Dawid_scaled
Distance: 7.2533% / 0.07253348
46.0 Steppe
35.6 European_Early_Farmers
10.2 Western_HG
8.2 Eastern_HG

Vessna

07-23-2025, 08:25 PM

Here we are, with love <3 As long as Ugo and Lemminkäinen don’t come back, I am invincible ;)

Here you go:

Target: Vessna_husband
Distance: 6.2666% / 0.06266552
36.4 Steppe
29.2 European_Early_Farmers
21.2 Eastern_HG
10.2 Western_HG
3.0 East-Asian_Neolithic

Kenshiro

07-23-2025, 08:28 PM

PaulieVanZant

07-23-2025, 08:52 PM

Yeah I know, i'm joking ahahab

Kenshiro whale catching arc unlocked.

#Oda#

07-23-2025, 09:08 PM

Target: #Oda#_Davidski_scaled
Distance: 3.4724% / 0.03472389
51.0 Steppe
37.4 European_Early_Farmers
11.6 Western_HG

Katarzyna

07-23-2025, 09:21 PM

Here you go:

Target: Vessna_husband
Distance: 6.2666% / 0.06266552
36.4 Steppe
29.2 European_Early_Farmers
21.2 Eastern_HG
10.2 Western_HG
3.0 East-Asian_Neolithic

Impressive, very northern. He needs to be “on the forum” in order to count, though. If you get him to create an account he will receive his trophy :)))

rothaer

07-23-2025, 09:35 PM

Target: #Oda#_Davidski_scaled
Distance: 3.4724% / 0.03472389
51.0 Steppe
37.4 European_Early_Farmers
11.6 Western_HG

Pretty woggy compared to me.

Target: rothaer_scaled
Distance: 3.8918% / 0.03891752
47.8 Steppe
37.0 European_Early_Farmers
13.0 Western_HG
2.2 Eastern_HG

And your higher Steppe gives you another little (CHG) wog surplus. I suggest the new nick name Tina La-Tina. :cool:

EDIT:

In the goldilocks zone with other NW Europeans.

Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 5.1746% / 0.05174588
51.0 Steppe
37.4 European_Early_Farmers
11.6 Western_HG

OMG, a genetic doubleganger: Cre-#Oda#.

rothaer

07-23-2025, 09:44 PM

Impressive, very northern. He needs to be “on the forum” in order to count, though. If you get him to create an account he will receive his trophy :)))

Hardly. With 3% Chink he's disqualified. That's cheating. Gixajo refrained from telling that rule as it can be considred self-evident. :p

Vessna

07-23-2025, 09:46 PM

Impressive, very northern. He needs to be “on the forum” in order to count, though. If you get him to create an account he will receive his trophy :)))

He is actually registered on the forum :D

Peterski

07-23-2025, 09:59 PM

Target: Peterski_Merged
Distance: 5.3344% / 0.05334438
46.4 Steppe
37.2 European_Early_Farmers
8.4 Eastern_HG
8.0 Western_HG

J. Ketch

07-23-2025, 10:00 PM

In the goldilocks zone with other NW Europeans.

Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 5.1746% / 0.05174588
51.0 Steppe
37.4 European_Early_Farmers
11.6 Western_HG

Katarzyna

07-23-2025, 10:41 PM

Pretty woggy compared to me.

Target: rothaer_scaled
Distance: 3.8918% / 0.03891752
47.8 Steppe
37.0 European_Early_Farmers
13.0 Western_HG
2.2 Eastern_HG

And your higher Steppe gives you another little (CHG) wog surplus. I suggest the new nick name Tina La-Tina. :cool:

Well actually makes sense, that you are more northern than her cause you are an Eastern German and around half Slavic. A member of Pierogi club :P

Katarzyna

07-23-2025, 10:44 PM

Hardly. With 3% Chink he's disqualified. That's cheating. Gixajo refrained from telling that rule as it can be considred self-evident. :p

Normally I would agree with you here. That’s why it also doesn’t make sense for many LATAMs to join that competition. However in his case I would give him a pass. Cause even if we counted his 3% exotics as EEF (as punishment) he would still win the race with 32,2% EEF only

rothaer

07-23-2025, 10:54 PM

Normally I would agree with you here. That’s why it also doesn’t make sense for many LATAMs to join that competition. However in his case I would give him a pass. Cause even if we counted his 3% exotics as EEF (as punishment) he would still win the race with 32,2% EEF only

I see.

The question is whether the punishment is to be carried out with an exchange rate of one-to-one just. In other words: The exoticness could well be considered being uber-EEF. ;) ;)

While you and me maybe could agree on such a view, I'm afaid that Gixajo - the celebrator of EEF - could not really, lol.

Feiichy

07-23-2025, 10:59 PM

Target: Stears
Distance: 3.6694% / 0.03669450

50.6 Steppe
41.0 European_Early_Farmers
6.0 Western_HG
1.6 East-Asian_Neolithic
0.8 Eastern_HG

djipon

07-23-2025, 11:17 PM

Target: djipon_SuperKit(AncestryDNA+MyHeritage)_scaled
Distance: 3.5284% / 0.03528417
47.4 European_Early_Farmers
43.2 Steppe
6.0 Levant_Neolithic
2.2 Caucasus_HG
0.8 East-Asian_Neolithic
0.4 Western_HG

RyoHazuki

07-23-2025, 11:53 PM

We will establish a group exclusively for Iberomaurissian descendants

Target: Ryo_scaled
Distance: 5.6376% / 0.05637596
48.4 Steppe
41.4 European_Early_Farmers
10.0 Western_HG
0.2 Iberomaurissian

Target: RyoAncestry_scaled
Distance: 4.8369% / 0.04836862
48.8 Steppe
40.0 European_Early_Farmers
10.4 Western_HG
0.8 Iberomaurissian

Target: G25K13SimRyoHazuki
Distance: 3.7150% / 0.03714962
45.2 Steppe
43.0 European_Early_Farmers
11.8 Western_HG

villainchai

07-24-2025, 12:33 AM

Target: VC
Distance: 4.9946% / 0.04994588
43.4 Steppe
40.2 European_Early_Farmers
12.0 Western_HG
4.4 Eastern_HG

Andullero

07-24-2025, 01:29 AM

Target: Andullero
Distance: 8.0208% / 0.08020807
30.8 European_Early_Farmers
28.6 Africa
21.0 Steppe
10.6 Iberomaurissian
3.8 South_America
3.8 Western_HG
1.4 Caucasus_HG

Kenshiro

07-24-2025, 03:56 AM

Kenshiro whale catching arc unlocked.

Greta Thunberg nightmare

Frowning Man

07-24-2025, 07:59 AM

Target: Frowning_scaled
Distance: 4.2856% / 0.04285645
61.8 Caucasus_HG
28.2 European_Early_Farmers
9.2 Levant_Neolithic
0.8 Iran_Neolithic

Feiichy

07-24-2025, 09:52 AM

Target: Frowning_scaled
Distance: 4.2856% / 0.04285645
61.8 Caucasus_HG
28.2 European_Early_Farmers
9.2 Levant_Neolithic
0.8 Iran_Neolithic

Western Georgians are purest/most ancient Kavkazians genetically.

Grace O'Malley

07-24-2025, 10:12 AM

My mother's family came from a long line of dairy farmers so I do have a lot of farmer genes.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 4.3141% / 0.04314110
51.6 Steppe
35.8 European_Early_Farmers
12.6 Western_HG

Fistora

07-24-2025, 11:04 AM

Target: me_scaled
Distance: 5.7854% / 0.05785423
40.8 Steppe
39.8 European_Early_Farmers
10.2 Western_HG
9.2 Eastern_HG

Frowning Man

07-24-2025, 11:43 AM

Western Georgians are purest/most ancient Kavkazians genetically.

And among Western Georgians, the most ancient, standard, original genetically and phenotypically is me)

Ylla

07-24-2025, 02:24 PM

I remember my EEF being quite high

Distance: 3.2048% / 0.03204803
62.8 European_Early_Farmers
31.8 Steppe
2.8 Caucasus_HG
2.6 Iran_Neolithic

Beowulf

07-24-2025, 03:17 PM

62.8 European_Early_Farmers

:hail:

Pedro Ruben

07-24-2025, 04:06 PM

:ohwell:

Target: Mom_scaled
Distance: 3.5120% / 0.03511966
52.6 European_Early_Farmers
32.6 Steppe
8.0 Western_HG
5.2 Iberomaurissian
1.6 Africa

Target: Dad_scaled
Distance: 3.3500% / 0.03350020
51.4 European_Early_Farmers
30.0 Steppe
8.2 Iberomaurissian
7.8 Western_HG
2.6 Africa

Target: Pedro_scaled
Distance: 3.4864% / 0.03486358
50.4 European_Early_Farmers
34.0 Steppe
7.6 Iberomaurissian
6.4 Western_HG
1.6 Africa

black hole

07-24-2025, 05:08 PM

Western Georgians are purest/most ancient Kavkazians genetically.

Member tk'es is less genetically Caucasus (too high different admixtures compared to member Frowning Man). It is interesting. Any explanation?

gixajo

07-24-2025, 05:18 PM

I remember my EEF being quite high

]62.8 European_Early_Farmers

At your feet, madam.

:hail:

The Farmer Queen.

Feiichy

07-24-2025, 05:24 PM

Member tk'es is less genetically Caucasus (too high different admixtures compared to member Frowning Man). It is interesting. Any explanation?

Yes, north Caucasians are more mixed, they have much more steppe (west Georgians don't have any), lower native Caucasus component and also higher Iran and mongoloid like stuff (west Georgians are basically zero mongoloid).

It seems ancestors of north Caucasians mixed with Scythians and Turkic nomads, which makes sense as north Caucasus opens to eurasian steppe.

cass

07-24-2025, 05:32 PM

Target: cass
Distance: 4.7722% / 0.04772179
49.4 Steppe
36.4 European_Early_Farmers :cool:
12.4 Western_HG
1.8 Eastern_HG

Frowning Man

07-24-2025, 05:42 PM

Yes, north Caucasians are more mixed, they have much more steppe (west Georgians don't have any), lower native Caucasus component and also higher Iran and mongoloid like stuff (west Georgians are basically zero mongoloid).

It seems ancestors of north Caucasians mixed with Scythians and Turkic nomads, which makes sense as north Caucasus opens to eurasian steppe.

Western Georgia is essentially the most isolated place in the Caucasus.

To the north - the Greater Caucasus Range
To the south - the Lesser Caucasus Mountains

To the west - the sea
To the east - the Liakhvi Range, which divides Georgia into west and east.

And inside are the densest forests, the most swampy territory in the Caucasus, frequent fogs and rains. It seems that both ancient authors and medieval European authors, and Russians wrote that the territory itself is very difficult to pass and has a very unpleasant climate.

Plus the population is more chauvinistic than the Georgians from the east. One Russian author described the eastern Georgians as more open and kind, and the western ones as more vengeful, cruel, not accepting strangers. Even today, the West is practically monoethnic.

black hole

07-24-2025, 05:42 PM

Frowning Man

07-24-2025, 05:44 PM

black hole

07-24-2025, 05:52 PM

https://sun9-45.userapi.com/s/v1/ig2/Wpsha8KogxgqsJriwqGKAxAekvLZeradt9cuDoqH-VXpPk5bL5V4m2IzF49zrzVuwwCisEYTW_993HID4MCMaKiB.jp g?quality=95&as=32x35,48x52,72x78,108x117,160x173,240x260,360x3 89,480x519,540x584,640x692,720x779,1080x1168&from=bu&cs=1080x0

https://sun9-37.userapi.com/s/v1/ig2/rEH24mlxfXUxQtVuMEYC4KsXOoY9KG7hIj6G0x0QebQxc-ut-eLBGg_1qqAwEzzqsUtEkwlefgoJw71NP38dK0mV.jpg?qualit y=95&as=32x44,48x66,72x99,108x149,160x221,240x332,360x4 97,480x663,540x746,640x884,720x995,1080x1492&from=bu&cs=1080x0

https://i.postimg.cc/Vz1f0KM5/lol11.jpg

Forgotten Indo-European tribes in the Caucasus mountains. xD

There are constant fights between Ossetians and other Caucasians "who is the most Caucasus people in Caucasus", Ossetians call their eastern neighbors the least Caucasus people in Caucasus while Ossetians are only linguistically Indo-European people, but genetically are true Caucasus folk. Funny, but fact.

Kenshiro

07-25-2025, 02:25 PM

I remember my EEF being quite high

Distance: 3.2048% / 0.03204803
62.8 European_Early_Farmers
31.8 Steppe
2.8 Caucasus_HG
2.6 Iran_Neolithic

Wow, congratulations

Dr.Fiskero

07-25-2025, 03:13 PM

Half Sardinian enters the chat:

Target: FISK
Distance: 1.5326% / 0.01532647
61.2 European_Early_Farmers
11.8 Levant_Neolithic
11.2 Steppe
7.0 Iran_Neolithic
3.4 Western_HG
3.2 Caucasus_HG
1.2 East-Asian_Neolithic
0.6 Eastern_HG
0.4 Iberomaurissian

Katarzyna

07-26-2025, 12:00 AM

I remember my EEF being quite high

Distance: 3.2048% / 0.03204803
62.8 European_Early_Farmers
31.8 Steppe
2.8 Caucasus_HG
2.6 Iran_Neolithic

Half Sardinian enters the chat:

Target: FISK
Distance: 1.5326% / 0.01532647
61.2 European_Early_Farmers
11.8 Levant_Neolithic
11.2 Steppe
7.0 Iran_Neolithic
3.4 Western_HG
3.2 Caucasus_HG
1.2 East-Asian_Neolithic
0.6 Eastern_HG
0.4 Iberomaurissian

Can someone explain that to me? Why do Balkanic EEFs have bad distances compared to Western ones? I thought the Slavic drift only effected North-Eastern Euros…

Flashball

07-26-2025, 07:28 AM

Dr.Fiskero

07-26-2025, 07:51 PM

Low WHG
High Neolithic Levant
Not a very typical nuragic results.

Well that’s my standard Davidiski results:

Target: FISK
Distance: 1.8547% / 0.01854658
56.4 TUR_Barcin_N
13.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
11.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
6.2 WHG
3.6 Levant_PPNB
1.0 Han
0.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

As I mentioned earlier, being half Sardinian and half Roman, my genetic results won’t perfectly match those of a full-blooded Sardinian. Additionally, G25 is not qpAdm and components like Levant and Barcin can get mixed up. Different G25 calculators can also yield varying results

nrinehi

07-27-2025, 11:26 AM

Target: nrinehi
Distance: 8.0362% / 0.08036160
47.6 Steppe
33.0 European_Early_Farmers
12.0 Western_HG
7.4 Eastern_HG

Bad distance

vasiliki23

07-29-2025, 03:00 PM

Target: VASILIKI_scaled
Distance: 3.2248% / 0.03224802
60.4 European_Early_Farmers
36.0 Steppe
1.8 Iran_Neolithic
1.2 Caucasus_HG
0.6 Western_HG

noricum

08-03-2025, 05:01 PM

Target: G25noricum_scaled
Distance: 5.2236% / 0.05223643
44.8 Steppe
43.4 European_Early_Farmers
8.6 Western_HG
3.2 Eastern_HG

Shardana

08-03-2025, 05:40 PM

Target: Shardana_G25_Scaled
Distance: 2.8532% / 0.02853238
78.6 European_Early_Farmers
12.4 Western_HG
5.6 Steppe
1.8 Iberomaurissian
1.2 Iran_Neolithic
0.4 Caucasus_HG

me probably

Shardana

08-03-2025, 05:41 PM

Well that’s my standard Davidiski results:

Target: FISK
Distance: 1.8547% / 0.01854658
56.4 TUR_Barcin_N
13.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
11.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
6.2 WHG
3.6 Levant_PPNB
1.0 Han
0.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

As I mentioned earlier, being half Sardinian and half Roman, my genetic results won’t perfectly match those of a full-blooded Sardinian. Additionally, G25 is not qpAdm and components like Levant and Barcin can get mixed up. Different G25 calculators can also yield varying results

mate , no Sardinian has levantine...this is maybe for terroni who are half jewish but not Sardinians:picard1:

also wtf is this nuragic when your dna result is definetly not sardinian, very very middle eastern mixed...

Dr.Fiskero

08-06-2025, 09:33 AM

mate , no Sardinian has levantine...this is maybe for terroni who are half jewish but not Sardinians:picard1:

also wtf is this nuragic when your dna result is definetly not sardinian, very very middle eastern mixed...

My friend, you really need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. I said I’m half Sardinian, my mother’s family is from Rome and my father is from Assemini.

And why on earth would I be considered "Middle Eastern mixed"? Lol, because of 3.6% Levant_PPNB? Please.

There are only three possible reasons for your message:

1) you are retarded
2) you are a troll
3) You have no idea what you're talking about

I'm hoping it's number 2. Ajò!

Shardana

08-06-2025, 04:05 PM

My friend, you really need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. I said I’m half Sardinian, my mother’s family is from Rome and my father is from Assemini.

And why on earth would I be considered "Middle Eastern mixed"? Lol, because of 3.6% Levant_PPNB? Please.

There are only three possible reasons for your message:

1) you are retarded
2) you are a troll
3) You have no idea what you're talking about

I'm hoping it's number 2. Ajò!

mate, in Assemini they are already barely Sardinian and yes you are obviously very middle eastern shifted which all southern italians are, Terroni can be modeled as roughly half Levantine half Italic if you dont believe me just try running some models yourself.. judging from your results you have about 20% MENA admixture which is unheard of in Sardinians, Tepecik ciftlik is east mediterranean and doesnt show up in sardinians who are purely Barcin + WHG + low percentages of Yamnaya and North African. i am not a troll i am just saying the truth southern italians are half european at most

take a look at this simple model if you dont believe me and look at the distance.

Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 0.3217% / 0.00321750
39.8 Greek
20.6 Imperial_Roman_Anatolia_Caucasus
18.8 Germanic
12.6 Imperial_Roman_Levant
6.0 Italic
2.0 Berber
0.2 Arab_Islamic_Expansion

Target: Sardinian
Distance: 0.9747% / 0.00974685
68.4 Sardinian_Nuragic
17.2 Italic
11.6 Imperial_Roman_Anatolia_Caucasus
2.8 Berber

the slight Caucasian/East med shift in modern Sardinians was surprise surprise brought by the Imperial Roman colonizers who are the ancestors to your terrone side..it wasnt present before roman conquest

Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 1.4704% / 0.01470352
48.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
24.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.2 TUR_Barcin_N
5.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.8 Levant_PPNB
0.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.2 WHG

Target: Sardinian
Distance: 3.4393% / 0.03439282
81.6 TUR_Barcin_N
13.2 WHG
4.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.4 MAR_Taforalt

Gannicus

08-06-2025, 04:38 PM

Target: Shardana_G25_Scaled
Distance: 2.8532% / 0.02853238
78.6 European_Early_Farmers
12.4 Western_HG
5.6 Steppe
1.8 Iberomaurissian
1.2 Iran_Neolithic
0.4 Caucasus_HG

me probably

I think you are the winner. Gixajo the contest organizer is absent to give you the 1st place trophy :P

Ramses III probably twitched a bit in his display case.

Dr.Fiskero

08-06-2025, 06:21 PM

mate, in Assemini they are already barely Sardinian and yes you are obviously very middle eastern shifted which all southern italians are, Terroni can be modeled as roughly half Levantine half Italic if you dont believe me just try running some models yourself.. judging from your results you have about 20% MENA admixture which is unheard of in Sardinians, Tepecik ciftlik is east mediterranean and doesnt show up in sardinians who are purely Barcin + WHG + low percentages of Yamnaya and North African. i am not a troll i am just saying the truth southern italians are half european at most

take a look at this simple model if you dont believe me and look at the distance.

Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 0.3217% / 0.00321750
39.8 Greek
20.6 Imperial_Roman_Anatolia_Caucasus
18.8 Germanic
12.6 Imperial_Roman_Levant
6.0 Italic
2.0 Berber
0.2 Arab_Islamic_Expansion

Target: Sardinian
Distance: 0.9747% / 0.00974685
68.4 Sardinian_Nuragic
17.2 Italic
11.6 Imperial_Roman_Anatolia_Caucasus
2.8 Berber

the slight Caucasian/East med shift in modern Sardinians was surprise surprise brought by the Imperial Roman colonizers who are the ancestors to your terrone side..it wasnt present before roman conquest

Target: Italian_Campania
Distance: 1.4704% / 0.01470352
48.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
24.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.2 TUR_Barcin_N
5.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.8 Levant_PPNB
0.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.2 WHG

Target: Sardinian
Distance: 3.4393% / 0.03439282
81.6 TUR_Barcin_N
13.2 WHG
4.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.4 MAR_Taforalt

Amico mio,you kinda sound like a Sardinian supremacist, lol ... I kinda like it. Anyway, sadly, you fell right into my first guess.

First of all, "terroni" is a term coined by the very people who nearly wiped out the Sardinian language, and it was never used to refer to central Italians. In fact, Sardinians themselves were lumped into that category. Also, Genetically, Southern Italians closely resemble ancient Greeks, aside from an estimated 10% Middle Eastern admixture (levantine)

oh no 'mate' look at those middle eastern myceneans ... maybe Achilles was a Sheikh afterall...

142469

Back to my own results… You do know that the coasts of Sardinia were under Punic rule, right? Okay, maybe I’m not as "pure" as you are ... I’m guessing you’re Barbaricino or something? That’s cool, I respect that, but in which world that makes me not half sardinian? you are not fully nuragic either since you have like 5% steppe if we want to be 'pignoli'.

One last thing ... G25 is a recreational tool. It’s not used by scientists or anthropologists in any official capacity(contrary to qpadm). In fact, components like Levant vs. Barcin/Tepecik or Iran_N vs. CHG can easily get mixed up. Even the testing companies (like MyHeritage, Ancestry, etc.) can give you slightly different results, depending on their models and databases. So yeah...don’t bet your life on those numbers, okay?

A si biri!!

Shardana

08-07-2025, 12:13 AM

Amico mio,you kinda sound like a Sardinian supremacist, lol ... I kinda like it. Anyway, sadly, you fell right into my first guess.

First of all, "terroni" is a term coined by the very people who nearly wiped out the Sardinian language, and it was never used to refer to central Italians. In fact, Sardinians themselves were lumped into that category. Also, Genetically, Southern Italians closely resemble ancient Greeks, aside from an estimated 10% Middle Eastern admixture (levantine)

oh no 'mate' look at those middle eastern myceneans ... maybe Achilles was a Sheikh afterall...

142469

Back to my own results… You do know that the coasts of Sardinia were under Punic rule, right? Okay, maybe I’m not as "pure" as you are ... I’m guessing you’re Barbaricino or something? That’s cool, I respect that, but in which world that makes me not half sardinian? you are not fully nuragic either since you have like 5% steppe if we want to be 'pignoli'.

One last thing ... G25 is a recreational tool. It’s not used by scientists or anthropologists in any official capacity(contrary to qpadm). In fact, components like Levant vs. Barcin/Tepecik or Iran_N vs. CHG can easily get mixed up. Even the testing companies (like MyHeritage, Ancestry, etc.) can give you slightly different results, depending on their models and databases. So yeah...don’t bet your life on those numbers, okay?

A si biri!!

Im not a supremacist of anythig it is just you who has a hard time admitting southern Italians are heavily middle eastern mixed and that this is unheard of in any sardinians, at most some Sardinian males carry J2 and j1 haplogroups in minority to the dominant I2a, G2a and R1B, but in autosomal DNA it is a much different case, what does it matter if i have a little bit of steppe which was probably brought by pre Imperial Italic colonizers..which are anyways ironically closer to modern Sardinians because they dont lack on WHG and they dont have the heavy MENA component of modern Italians.

Distance to: Shardana_G25_Scaled
0.06531517 Italy_Lazio_IA_Latin/Rutulian_Ardea_(Italic_Profile)_(n=1)

Distance to: Italian_Apulia
0.08041991 Italy_Lazio_IA_Latin/Rutulian_Ardea_(Italic_Profile)_(n=1)

Distance to: Italian_Campania
0.08567181 Italy_Lazio_IA_Latin/Rutulian_Ardea_(Italic_Profile)_(n=1)

first of all , you ignored the model i sent you where South italians show up as roughly 40% Greek and the rest MENA, the "Ancient Greek" samples you sent are fitst Minoans which were basically pure Neolithic farmers and cant be taken as a true base for most southern Italians because of the Mycenean invasion and even the Myceneans were MENA admixed mostly with Anatolian/Caucasian elements, and its bullshit southern italians are mainy ancient greek as the imperial roman period drastically changed the Italian peninsulas genetics.

even Greeks from Italy are only roughly half ancient Greek and show heavy imperial roman west asian admix

Target: Greek_Italy_Calabria
Distance: 1.8725% / 0.01872539
46.2 Greek
30.4 Imperial_Roman_Anatolia_Caucasus
14.6 Germanic
7.4 Berber
1.4 Arab_Islamic_Expansion

Target: Greek_Apulia
Distance: 0.7348% / 0.00734763
50.8 Greek
24.8 Imperial_Roman_Anatolia_Caucasus
22.6 Germanic
1.8 Berber

second, if we are technical the derogatory term for Sardinians is Sardignolo not Terrone, only Terroni with an inferiority complex want to lump in Sardinians with their third world shithole like modern Rome is, it is a fact Rome is like terronia and is pretty much a shithole nowadays, and i dont care what Padanians say either..also its clear your levantine side is from your South Italian side idk why you have a hard time accepting this, i have seen some samples from southern sardinia and at most they have more North African and Steppe...not LNF or CHG,
the Punic samples we have actually have a pretty European genetic profile anyways.

Target: Tunisia_Punic.SG
Distance: 1.9424% / 0.01942446
36.0 TUR_Barcin_N
35.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
19.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.0 WHG
3.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 Han

even in major testing companies like Myheritage, 23andme etc Southern Italians get up to 30% MENA so i dont understand what is hard to understand here.

lastly, yes i am 2/4 from Ogliastra, 1/4 Barbagia and 1/4 Logudoro and these areas are the heart of Sardinia, so yes they are more Sardinian than areas like Assemini:thumb001:

At nos bident!!

Kenshiro

08-07-2025, 02:20 AM

Target: Shardana_G25_Scaled
Distance: 2.8532% / 0.02853238
78.6 European_Early_Farmers
12.4 Western_HG
5.6 Steppe
1.8 Iberomaurissian
1.2 Iran_Neolithic
0.4 Caucasus_HG

me probably
Distance to: Kenshiro_Scaled
0.03759019 South_Balkans:GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
0.04353924 Picentini:ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1
Distance to: Sardinian
0.10268228 Picentini:ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1
"Near to pre-imperial Italic colonizer"
I'm Literally from Gargano promontory, North East Apulia
Distance to: Sardinian:
0.09216024 Picenes
Distance to: Kenshiro_Scaled
0.05340782 Picenes

Wend-Kruzek

08-07-2025, 05:55 AM

Target: Kruzek_scaled
Distance: 4.9745% / 0.04974498
46.2 Steppe:Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya_(n=29)
39.0 European_Early_Farmers:Germany_EN_LBK_Halberstadt_ (n=21)
9.2 Western_HG:Luxembourg_Mesolithic_Loschbour_(n=1)
5.6 Eastern_HG:Russia_Karelia_Mesolithic_(EHG)_(n=15)

:D

Shardana

08-07-2025, 08:52 AM

Distance to: Kenshiro_Scaled
0.03759019 South_Balkans:GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
0.04353924 Picentini:ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1
Distance to: Sardinian
0.10268228 Picentini:ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1
"Near to pre-imperial Italic colonizer"
I'm Literally from Gargano promontory, North East Apulia
Distance to: Sardinian:
0.09216024 Picenes
Distance to: Kenshiro_Scaled
0.05340782 Picenes

what does this have to do with anything i said? the Picene samples we have are much more rich in Yamnaya and eastern shifted than Italic Latin samples, probably in the pre imperial adriatic there was more steppe rich ptofiles as opposed to more WHG heavy ones in the tyrhenian sea, judging from your results you seem to be an outlier for southern Italy as you have a steppe rich profile above the south Italian average but still even you have a Caucasian/Anatolian shift and an east med base and the distance to the samples you showed is still very distant, if you want to stay truthful show your distance to some imperial roman era samples

Distance to: Italy_Marche_IA_Picene_Novilara_(n=28)
0.01357350 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.01651123 Italian_Veneto
0.01791531 Italian_Bergamo
0.02162788 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02321942 Italian_Northeast

Distance to: Italy_IsolaSacra_RomanImperial.SG
0.03128867 Italian_Jew
0.03413885 Italian_Calabria
0.03834857 Italian_Campania
0.04215727 Italian_Basilicata
0.04441446 Italian_Apulia

gixajo

08-07-2025, 10:30 AM

Rafael Passoni

08-07-2025, 11:50 AM

Target: me_scaled
Distance: 2.4254% / 0.02425434
63.2 European_Early_Farmers
30.0 Steppe
3.0 Caucasus_HG
2.0 Levant_Neolithic
1.6 Western_HG
0.2 Iberomaurissian

Shardana

08-07-2025, 11:51 AM

Among the forum members, you indisputably.(for now).

No need to insult Fiskero, by the way.

if admitting southern italians are heavily MENA admixed is an insult then i guess the truth hurts, i cant do anything about it if he him and other Southern italian forum members have a hard time accepting this which has been proven in both numeral studies and amateur tools like G25, anyways yep idk if there are other Sardinian forum members but i think some Sardinians will score more ANF than me since i seem to have more WHG and a bit of steppe that balances it out:thumb001:

Target: Shardana_G25_Scaled
Distance: 3.3015% / 0.03301477
77.8 TUR_Barcin_N
17.4 WHG
3.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.4 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Sardinian_Sulcis-Iglesiente_(n=24)
Distance: 2.7821% / 0.02782072
78.4 TUR_Barcin_N
9.8 WHG
9.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

Target: Sardinian_North_(n=20)
Distance: 2.9461% / 0.02946144
81.0 TUR_Barcin_N
13.0 WHG
4.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

Target: Sardinian_Benetutti_(n=25)
Distance: 3.5152% / 0.03515235
80.2 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 WHG
6.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

Target: Sardinian_Ogliastra
Distance: 3.4393% / 0.03439282
81.6 TUR_Barcin_N
13.2 WHG
4.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.4 MAR_Taforalt

Shardana

08-07-2025, 12:40 PM

Dr.Fiskero

08-07-2025, 01:12 PM

if admitting southern italians are heavily MENA admixed is an insult then i guess the truth hurts, i cant do anything about it if he him and other Southern italian forum members have a hard time accepting this which has been proven in both numeral studies and amateur tools like G25, anyways yep idk if there are other Sardinian forum members but i think some Sardinians will score more ANF than me since i seem to have more WHG and a bit of steppe that balances it out:thumb001:

Target: Shardana_G25_Scaled
Distance: 3.3015% / 0.03301477
77.8 TUR_Barcin_N
17.4 WHG
3.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.4 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Sardinian_Sulcis-Iglesiente_(n=24)
Distance: 2.7821% / 0.02782072
78.4 TUR_Barcin_N
9.8 WHG
9.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

Target: Sardinian_North_(n=20)
Distance: 2.9461% / 0.02946144
81.0 TUR_Barcin_N
13.0 WHG
4.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

Target: Sardinian_Benetutti_(n=25)
Distance: 3.5152% / 0.03515235
80.2 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 WHG
6.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 MAR_Taforalt
0.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728

Target: Sardinian_Ogliastra
Distance: 3.4393% / 0.03439282
81.6 TUR_Barcin_N
13.2 WHG
4.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.4 MAR_Taforalt

Tbh i'm not offended because you seem a pretty confused person. The sample I shared is largely Mycenaean and shows a heavy Tepecik component. Tepecik isn’t MENA at all,most papers lump it with Barcın as part of Early European Farmer (EEF) ancestry. You don’t seem to grasp that. Second, Terroni is an insult that (unfortunately) covers southern Italians and Sardinians(in addition to sardignolo, you have 2 for your joy), not central Italians. Ask anyone north of Tuscany,you’ll hear the same. MENA refers to Levant_PPNB and Taforalt. If you really want to stretch it, you can count IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N, though it fits better in a Caucasus cluster. Saying everything except Barcın, WHG, and Yamnaya is MENA is just your opinion. Remember, Yamnaya itself is a mix of CHG, and EHG.

And what’s with
i am 2/4 from Ogliastra, 1/4 Barbagia and 1/4 Logudoro

Are you trying to be a disciple of Sizzi the hunch-backed, forty warehouse worker? Come on, man the sardinians that i know are better than that.

At last here are my distances to

ancient:

Distance to: FISK
0.03014529 Italy_Sardinia_IA_1:I10366
0.03295763 Italy_Sardinia_SantImbenia_RomanImperial.SG:R11834 .SG
0.03815222 Bulgaria_IA:I5769
0.03871139 Hungary_Tiszaregion_EAvar:I18185
0.03925625 Hungary_EarlyAvar:SZK-102.SG
0.03945768 Italy_IA_Republic_oEasternMediterranean.SG:R437.SG
0.03970938 Romania_C_Bodrogkeresztur_o1:I15623
0.04017013 Hungary_LateAvar:KK1-251.SG
0.04045368 Bulgaria_EIA:I20183
0.04166183 Bulgaria_EIA:I20185

and Modern populations:

Distance to: FISK
0.03677253 French_Corsica:Corsica03708
0.03889804 French_Corsica:CorsicaS10208
0.04054517 French_Corsica:corsica1308
0.04265542 French_Corsica:Corsica19508
0.04465179 Greek_Apulia:PuG17
0.04584642 Italian_Basilicata:PG25
0.04587432 French_Corsica:CorsicaS03308
0.04639859 Greek_Laconia:639
0.04749697 Greek_South_Tsakonia:TSAK-7
0.04754214 Italian_Calabria:PG2012_424

As expected, I’m a mix of Italic and Sardinian .. just like I said in my earlier messages.

Since you seem comfortable throwing around slurs like Terroni to label someone’s family, you really should be banned. We’re all anonymous behind a screen it's easy to say that. I don’t believe a true Shardana rebel warrior would ever act like that :rolleyes:

Kenshiro

08-07-2025, 01:12 PM

what does this have to do with anything i said? the Picene samples we have are much more rich in Yamnaya and eastern shifted than Italic Latin samples, probably in the pre imperial adriatic there was more steppe rich ptofiles as opposed to more WHG heavy ones in the tyrhenian sea, judging from your results you seem to be an outlier for southern Italy as you have a steppe rich profile above the south Italian average but still even you have a Caucasian/Anatolian shift and an east med base and the distance to the samples you showed is still very distant, if you want to stay truthful show your distance to some imperial roman era samples

Distance to: Italy_Marche_IA_Picene_Novilara_(n=28)
0.01357350 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.01651123 Italian_Veneto
0.01791531 Italian_Bergamo
0.02162788 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02321942 Italian_Northeast

Distance to: Italy_IsolaSacra_RomanImperial.SG
0.03128867 Italian_Jew
0.03413885 Italian_Calabria
0.03834857 Italian_Campania
0.04215727 Italian_Basilicata
0.04441446 Italian_Apulia

I obviously have a Caucasian/Anatolian component without a shadow of a doubt, my east med part is mainly Greek, I simply responded to your statement that the Sardinians were more similar to the pre-imperial Italics of southern Italy than southern Italy itself, bringing my actual proof of the fact that this is not the case, at least I am southern and no Sardinian is closer to the people who inhabited my land at that time than me, for obvious geographical reasons, for the "thyrrenian" side i don't know probably can be

Shardana

08-07-2025, 02:45 PM

Tbh i'm not offended because you seem a pretty confused person. The sample I shared is largely Mycenaean and shows a heavy Tepecik component. Tepecik isn’t MENA at all,most papers lump it with Barcın as part of Early European Farmer (EEF) ancestry. You don’t seem to grasp that. Second, Terroni is an insult that (unfortunately) covers southern Italians and Sardinians(in addition to sardignolo, you have 2 for your joy), not central Italians. Ask anyone north of Tuscany,you’ll hear the same. MENA refers to Levant_PPNB and Taforalt. If you really want to stretch it, you can count IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N, though it fits better in a Caucasus cluster. Saying everything except Barcın, WHG, and Yamnaya is MENA is just your opinion. Remember, Yamnaya itself is a mix of CHG, and EHG.

And what’s with

Are you trying to be a disciple of Sizzi the hunch-backed, forty warehouse worker? Come on, man the sardinians that i know are better than that.

At last here are my distances to

ancient:

Distance to: FISK
0.03014529 Italy_Sardinia_IA_1:I10366
0.03295763 Italy_Sardinia_SantImbenia_RomanImperial.SG:R11834 .SG
0.03815222 Bulgaria_IA:I5769
0.03871139 Hungary_Tiszaregion_EAvar:I18185
0.03925625 Hungary_EarlyAvar:SZK-102.SG
0.03945768 Italy_IA_Republic_oEasternMediterranean.SG:R437.SG
0.03970938 Romania_C_Bodrogkeresztur_o1:I15623
0.04017013 Hungary_LateAvar:KK1-251.SG
0.04045368 Bulgaria_EIA:I20183
0.04166183 Bulgaria_EIA:I20185

and Modern populations:

Distance to: FISK
0.03677253 French_Corsica:Corsica03708
0.03889804 French_Corsica:CorsicaS10208
0.04054517 French_Corsica:corsica1308
0.04265542 French_Corsica:Corsica19508
0.04465179 Greek_Apulia:PuG17
0.04584642 Italian_Basilicata:PG25
0.04587432 French_Corsica:CorsicaS03308
0.04639859 Greek_Laconia:639
0.04749697 Greek_South_Tsakonia:TSAK-7
0.04754214 Italian_Calabria:PG2012_424

As expected, I’m a mix of Italic and Sardinian .. just like I said in my earlier messages.

Since you seem comfortable throwing around slurs like Terroni to label someone’s family, you really should be banned. We’re all anonymous behind a screen it's easy to say that. I don’t believe a true Shardana rebel warrior would ever act like that :rolleyes:

ahah you are taking it way too personal when i am simply showing you scientific evidence, you seem to be the confused one on the topic and clearly dont have a solid grasp on how autosomal dna and G25 works, Tepecik ciftlik is much more mixed with Natufian and Zagros than Barcin is, Tepecik in europe is Only present in South italians, Greeks and Balkans because of imperial roman admix no other major european group has it instead they have Barcin which is mostly AHG+ minor zagros/Natufian and WHG

infact Tepecik is the main Farmer component in middle easternerns meaning that in europe it came from them..if the Italic samples were purely barcin, and modern italians are Tepecik it means that it came later through Imperial roman admixture..sigh

Target: Italy_Lazio_IA_Latin/Rutulian_Ardea_(Italic_Profile)_(n=1)
Distance: 3.7200% / 0.03720033
63.4 TUR_Barcin_N
25.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.6 WHG

Target: Italian_Lazio
Distance: 1.7551% / 0.01755101
46.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
27.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.0 TUR_Barcin_N
2.8 WHG
2.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.4 MAR_Taforalt

here are some major european groups compared to greeks and southern italians

Target: Spanish_Andalucia
Distance: 3.2020% / 0.03201964
54.8 TUR_Barcin_N
28.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.0 WHG
4.6 MAR_Taforalt

Target: French_Paris
Distance: 3.9803% / 0.03980317
47.0 TUR_Barcin_N
40.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
12.4 WHG

Target: German
Distance: 3.8375% / 0.03837493
46.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
40.6 TUR_Barcin_N
13.2 WHG

compare this to Southern Italians, Greeks and Lebanese for example.

Target: Greek_Peloponnese
Distance: 2.0335% / 0.02033529
37.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
32.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.0 TUR_Barcin_N
3.8 Levant_PPNB
1.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.0 WHG
0.2 Han

Target: Italian_(Southern_Italian_Profile)
Distance: 1.9299% / 0.01929944
59.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
26.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.4 TUR_Barcin_N
2.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 WHG

Target: Lebanese_Christian
Distance: 1.7432% / 0.01743240
38.0 Levant_PPNB
22.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
21.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
13.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

second..Zagrosian is definetly a middle eastern component and it is crucial to Arabs and peaks in the balochi people of Iran and Pakistan , it came to Italy most likely from Anatolia.

Target: Balochi_Iran
Distance: 2.5441% / 0.02544122
42.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
19.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
16.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
3.0 Levant_PPNB
1.4 Han
1.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.4 WHG

Target: Iraqi_Arab_Central
Distance: 1.8121% / 0.01812095
37.4 Levant_PPNB
25.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
17.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
9.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
3.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
3.8 Israel_Natufian
1.2 Yoruba
1.0 Dinka
0.6 Han

third...this is your closest match in ancient populations...an individual from Sardinia which was definetly East med/MENA admixed like you are..not a Sardinian genetic profile

Target: Italy_Sardinia_IA_1:I10366__BC_294__Cov_58.72%
Distance: 1.9377% / 0.01937735
51.2 TUR_Barcin_N
22.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
12.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
4.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.4 Israel_Natufian
3.6 WHG
1.2 MAR_Taforalt
0.6 Dinka

Distance to: Italy_Sardinia_IA_1:I10366__BC_294__Cov_58.72%
0.04721172 Belmonte_Jew
0.04778152 Italian_Calabria
0.04889838 Italian_Campania
0.05009548 Sicilian_East
0.05043201 Maltese

lastly...no you are not half Italic and half Sardinian..we can say you are half East med like all southern italians are and half Sardiian, if you dont mind try running this model with your coordinates.

Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1,0.1314658,0 .1373502,0.0626022,0.0414247,0.0426232,0.0146418,0 .00376,0.0074422,0.0043975,-0.0009113,-0.0062925,0.0053578,-0.0145315,-0.0092552,0.0231742,0.0089828,-0.0034225,0.003199,0.004588,0.0073472,0.0083915,0. 0029988,-0.0017565,0.0143692,0.0003892
Syria_TellMasaikh_Medieval.SG,0.095611,0.123895,-0.059962,-0.063631,-0.023697,-0.017012,0.00282,-0.006,0.005113,-0.011299,0.006008,-0.014837,0.017245,0.003028,0.000814,0.008618,-0.022817,-0.005321,0.005656,0.004877,0.01148,0.001731,-0.002588,-0.001084,0.000479
Berber_Tunisia_Chen,-0.02795,0.139071,-0.008087,-0.07648,0.027732,-0.035202,-0.031387,0.005282,0.068425,0.029796,0.004006,-0.004388,0.019632,-0.016125,0.014092,-0.016905,0.000152,-0.02329,-0.046725,0.007858,-0.016831,-0.040428,0.028135,-0.004452,0.006367
Italy_IA_Republic.SG,0.1287827,0.1526196,0.0386817 ,-0.0130123,0.0465141,-0.0051793,0.0013764,-0.0002636,0.0220884,0.0411854,-0.0006729,0.0110687,-0.0197506,-0.0099481,-0.0009113,-0.0023489,0.0041536,0.0023167,0.0060516,-0.0023761,0.0003923,0.0031796,-0.004384,-0.0042517,-0.0018474
Imperial_Roman_Anatolia_Caucasus,0.091817333,0.141 15833,-0.058202333,-0.06783,-0.024107,-0.014781333,0.002585,-0.006615,-0.018202667,-0.0039483333,0.0086606667,0.00059966667,-0.000049666667,0.00087166667,-0.0032123333,-0.004729,-0.00339,0.0010136667,0.0024303333,0.001042,0.00336 9,0.0019373333,0.000041,-0.0024503333,0.0055883333
Imperial_Roman_Levant,0.08508275,0.14852125,-0.05232525,-0.08438375,-0.0126945,-0.02754025,-0.006874,-0.007961,0.01222025,0.01070625,0.00223275,-0.00202325,0.0095145,-0.00244275,-0.005904,0.00338075,0.00678,0.00183675,-0.002011,0.00297,-0.00327575,0.006801,-0.00061625,-0.0035545,-0.0016165
Italy_Sardinia_BA_Nuragic,0.1293032,0.1755851,0.04 28787,-0.0545224,0.0799535,-0.0298132,-0.0050525,-0.0008999,0.0592096,0.0987174,-0.0011042,0.0161857,-0.0347272,-0.0104042,-0.0163949,-0.0045742,0.0135469,0.0051942,0.0050029,-0.0096422,0.0021962,0.0038331,-0.0137299,-0.0295223,-0.0003233
Greece_Delphi_BA_Mycenaean,0.1237828,0.1657852,0.0 016972,-0.0580592,0.0312365,-0.0270522,0.0008812,-0.0040382,0.0185092,0.04319,0.009581,0.010116,-0.017765,0.0015828,-0.0166257,-0.0075908,0.0145052,9.50E-05,0.013544,-0.0070345,-0.011199,0.0001855,0.0014483,0.0050005,0.000539

Shardana

08-07-2025, 02:52 PM

I obviously have a Caucasian/Anatolian component without a shadow of a doubt, my east med part is mainly Greek, I simply responded to your statement that the Sardinians were more similar to the pre-imperial Italics of southern Italy than southern Italy itself, bringing my actual proof of the fact that this is not the case, at least I am southern and no Sardinian is closer to the people who inhabited my land at that time than me, for obvious geographical reasons, for the "thyrrenian" side i don't know probably can be

if you bring a cherrypicked high steppe sample then obviously its not gonna be close to sardinians, i showed you on the PCA with various individual samples that in general Italics were closer to modern day sardinians because of a west med WHG+Barcin component which is lacking in modern day southern italians..if you are ignoring the facts i cant do anything about it

Shardana

08-07-2025, 02:53 PM

Gannicus

08-07-2025, 03:34 PM

Dr.Fiskero

08-07-2025, 04:25 PM

ahah you are taking it way too personal when i am simply showing you scientific evidence, you seem to be the confused one on the topic and clearly dont have a solid grasp on how autosomal dna and G25 works, Tepecik ciftlik is much more mixed with Natufian and Zagros than Barcin is, Tepecik in europe is Only present in South italians, Greeks and Balkans because of imperial roman admix no other major european group has it instead they have Barcin w....

Tbh I’m not the one who made this personal ... you did, with the whole “your terrone side” and “your colonizer ancestors” (lol?).
Looks like you thought it through and realized you're not a warrior nor a shardana you are just a dude(probably a kid) behind a screen :D now that you’ve toned it down, I’ll treat you like a normal human. An apology would still be the bare minimum for a man.

1)
Tepecik is the main Farmer component in middle easternerns meaning that in europe it came from them

Yes, Tepecik carries more Iran/Levant (10 %) than Barcın, but it’s still basically the same Anatolian Early Farmer block. Most papers lump both under the EEF umbrella you’re exaggerating the gap.

2)
Tepecik in europe is Only present in South italians, Greeks and Balkans because of imperial roman admix

Nope. You can pick up a Tepecik-shift in central & northern Italy (Tuscany, Emilia), plus SE Spain, Provence and Balearics already in the Late Bronze Age. Imperial flow boosted it, sure, but it's doesn't appear the first time in 0AD

3) East-Med ≠ “MENA”
There were three main eastern waves into the peninsula
Mycenaean/Bronze
Greek + Phoenician colonies
Imperial Rome

South Italians are Italics + Greeks + Phoenicians, but MOSTLY European not half, LOL

Those are my results from your calculator:

Target: FISK
Distance: 1.7787% / 0.01778731
42.0 Italy_IA_Republic.SG
24.4 Imperial_Roman_Levant
20.0 Italy_Sardinia_BA_Nuragic
13.4 Imperial_Roman_Anatolia_Caucasus
0.2 Berber_Tunisia_Chen

Remember that G25 is not qpAdm (as I mentioned before). Some models give me 30-40% Steppe with a small distance

Shardana

08-07-2025, 06:14 PM

From post 105 out of curiosity:

Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0199% / 0.01989908
90.5 Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1
5.0 Italy_IA_Republic.SG
2.0 Italy_Sardinia_BA_Nuragic
1.3 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
1.2 Syria_TellMasaikh_Medieval.SG

I also think some of those Long Beards have some southern admix.

i dont think so idk

Distance to: Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1
0.01274141 Welsh
0.01310382 Dutch
0.01391221 English
0.01564682 English_Cornwall
0.01587694 Scottish

Target: Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1
Distance: 4.5688% / 0.04568823
47.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
38.2 TUR_Barcin_N
14.6 WHG

Gannicus

08-07-2025, 07:10 PM

i dont think so idk

Distance to: Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1
0.01274141 Welsh
0.01310382 Dutch
0.01391221 English
0.01564682 English_Cornwall
0.01587694 Scottish

Target: Italy_North_EarlyMedieval_Langobards_1
Distance: 4.5688% / 0.04568823
47.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
38.2 TUR_Barcin_N
14.6 WHG

Maybe I was thinking of the outlier individual samples. I think I remember looking at some of them and they had a good amount of admix from the locals. It's been a while since I looked at those Lombards.

Kenshiro

08-07-2025, 08:56 PM

if you bring a cherrypicked high steppe sample then obviously its not gonna be close to sardinians, i showed you on the PCA with various individual samples that in general Italics were closer to modern day sardinians because of a west med WHG+Barcin component which is lacking in modern day southern italians..if you are ignoring the facts i cant do anything about it

I have too some Sardinian on 23andme 3.5% but i think because i have a little bit barcin more than average central-South Italy
Target: Kenshiro_Scaled
Distance: 2.1073% / 0.02107274
39.0 TUR_Barcin_N
32.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
20.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
3.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.0 WHG
0.8 Han
0.4 MAR_Taforalt
Han, LOL i'm Chinese ahaha
I would have liked to have an Egyptian shift, they honestly seemed like the coolest people of ancient times

Shardana

08-08-2025, 12:38 AM

I have too some Sardinian on 23andme 3.5% but i think because i have a little bit barcin more than average central-South Italy
Target: Kenshiro_Scaled
Distance: 2.1073% / 0.02107274
39.0 TUR_Barcin_N
32.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
20.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
3.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.0 WHG
0.8 Han
0.4 MAR_Taforalt
Han, LOL i'm Chinese ahaha
I would have liked to have an Egyptian shift, they honestly seemed like the coolest people of ancient times

yep you are definetly an outlier, this is more like a marchigiano profile even romagnolo

Tallow97

08-08-2025, 03:16 PM

Target: Tallow97
Distance: 2.5042% / 0.02504153
48.6 European_Early_Farmers
46.0 Steppe
4.4 Western_HG
1.0 Iberomaurissian