Ashina's DNA Tribes

[Azalea]

I got them a while ago but never posted them here. And like I said at ABF, some parts really don't make any sence, but overal they do give a good indication of someone's ancestry.

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[Peyrol]

Tuscan-Italy is very interesting...anothern evidence that ancient etrurians were of anatolian origin.

[Azalea]

Tuscan-Italy is very interesting...anothern evidence that ancient etrurians were of anatolian origin.

Turks in general have a slight higher affinity with Tuscans compared to the rest of Italy, but the difference isn't that big. Me scoring first with Tuscans before other West Asians and even Turks (!) is a big failure of DNA tribes itself. Other Turks got similar results.

[Viljuska]

Quite different from orangepulp's results from DNA-tribes.
What region are you from in Turkey?
Did you post 23andme and McDonald results here also?

[Anatolian Eagle]

You're an Anatolian pearl obviously :thumb001:

[Azalea]

Quite different from orangepulp's results from DNA-tribes.
What region are you from in Turkey?
Did you post 23andme and McDonald results here also?

True. It almost looks like we are from completely different ethnic groups/worlds. But the difference isn't that big in reality (there is a clear difference, just not huge). It's just the way DNA tribes interprets these results. Another thing is that I am more mixed than Orangepulp and fit the population samples less than her, so I get a more mixed result (a bit of this, a bit of that, to come to an average).

Yes, I posted my & my father's results here too.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40217

I am from Southern Turkey, Adana btw.

[Peyrol]

Turks in general have a slight higher affinity with Tuscans compared to the rest of Italy, but the difference isn't that big. Me scoring first with Tuscans before other West Asians and even Turks (!) is a big failure of DNA tribes itself. Other Turks got similar results.

It isn't. Is a demonstration that many your ancestors, as the etrurian, were indigenous anatolic.

[Azalea]

You're an Anatolian pearl obviously :thumb001:

I don't get it. Care to explain?

[The Lawspeaker]

I don't get it. Care to explain?

That's your as Turkish as Turkish can get. How should one say it hmm ? Van vreemde smetten vrij ?

[Azalea]

It isn't. Is a demostration that many your ancestors, as the etrurian, were indigenous anatolic.

No, it is. If you look at the other results of the Turks, you'll see that even though the vast majority of us have similar results and match other Turks better in all other tests, we match various irrelevant and unrelated peoples in DNA tribes. And the same happens to other ethnic groups too. Like for example, a French person with Portuguese ancestry matching Baltic people better than French or other Southern/Western Europeans. There was even a discussion about this at ABF and the conclusion was that you should take DNA tribes with a grain of salt and interpret it together with your Dodecad/23andme/McDonald and Eurogenes numbers.

[Azalea]

That's your as Turkish as Turkish can get. How should one say it hmm ? Van vreemde smetten vrij ?

Nah, I disagree. Anatolia is a geographical region, nothing more. F.e, an Armenian is also Anatolian, but not Turkish, if you get what I mean? ;)

[The Lawspeaker]

Nah, I disagree. Anatolia is a geographical region, nothing more. F.e, an Armenian is also Anatolian, but not Turkish, if you get what I mean? ;)

What I mean is that the people of Anatolia are the backbone of the current Turkish people. Your DNA stretches beyond the history of Turkey as we know it and that is what makes the Tuscany link so interesting: think about the Etruscans.

[Pallantides]

The 'North Asian' don't really show that much on your phenotype.

[Anatolian Eagle]

Nah, I disagree. Anatolia is a geographical region, nothing more. F.e, an Armenian is also Anatolian, but not Turkish, if you get what I mean? ;)

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. Judging by results obviously you're very Anatolian. Turks and Armenians are quite similiar-looking too, in my view ;)

[Azalea]

The 'North Asian' don't really show that much on your phenotype.

True. Neither in my family. Though, I have quite a few Turanid looking distant relatives.

[Azalea]

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. Judging by results obviously you're very Anatolian. Turks and Armenians are quite similiar-looking too, in my view ;)

Actually judging by my results I am very Anatolian Turkish and quite different from Armenians. My North Asian, South Asian (the South Asian component in DNA tribes is similar to Gedrosia in Dodecad) f.e are clearly (mostly) Central Asian in origin.

[Su]

True. It almost looks like we are from completely different ethnic groups/worlds. But the difference isn't that big in reality (there is a clear difference, just not huge). It's just the way DNA tribes interprets these results. Another thing is that I am more mixed than Orangepulp and fit the population samples less than her, so I get a more mixed result (a bit of this, a bit of that, to come to an average).

Yes, I posted my & my father's results here too.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40217

I am from Southern Turkey, Adana btw.

Galiba benimki sana epiyi benziyor galiba :D

[Pecheneg]

The 'North Asian' don't really show that much on your phenotype.

where is her phenotype? :D
can i see it ashina?

[Pecheneg]

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. Judging by results obviously you're very Anatolian. Turks and Armenians are quite similiar-looking too, in my view ;)
i think Kurds and Armenians are more similar.

[Azalea]

i think Kurds and Armenians are more similar.

It probably depends on the geographical region, but so far, Turks are more similar to Armenians while Kurds have a greater affinity towards Iranians.

[Anatolian Eagle]

Actually judging by my results I am very Anatolian Turkish and quite different from Armenians. My North Asian, South Asian (the South Asian component in DNA tribes is similar to Gedrosia in Dodecad) f.e are clearly (mostly) Central Asian in origin.

Okay, I see. Thanks for explaining. When I first implied Anatolian, I actually meant Anatolian Turkish. Armenians are more closer to Eastern Anatolian, probably.

[Azalea]

Okay, I see. Thanks for explaining. When I first implied Anatolian, I actually meant Anatolian Turkish. Armenians are more closer to Eastern Anatolian, probably.

My first match in the Dodecad project are Turks followed by Armenians, and a lot of Anatolian Turks have similar results. It's fair to say that Armenians and Turks are genetically quite related.

[Azalea]

True. It almost looks like we are from completely different ethnic groups/worlds. But the difference isn't that big in reality (there is a clear difference, just not huge). It's just the way DNA tribes interprets these results. Another thing is that I am more mixed than Orangepulp and fit the population samples less than her, so I get a more mixed result (a bit of this, a bit of that, to come to an average).


Viljuska, to give you an example of this, McDonald said the same about my results. This what I got when I send him my data for the first time:


Your spot on the map is in very far northwestern Iran. You are close to, but not
in, the Turkish comparison population. The test says you are a mix of 60% Iranian, 15%
Siberian and the rest Italian-Spanish. This is bizarre, but the average is close to Turkey.

A test of "mixing age" says that any mixing is ancient ... well more than 10 generations.

The best indication is the rotating plot. You are off in the middle of nowhere, which
means that you are surely mixed populations ... but that other test says it was very old mixing.
When the rotating plot looks like you do, one simply has to trust the mathematical
workings.

You are, by far, the most interesting person I have seen using the v3 chip.

When I asked what the Spanish/Italian, Iranian etc. meant, he said this:


What it means is that the way the test works, it computes what sort of set of people
it needs to "average out" the way you DNA is. What matters is the average. There are
two cases:

1) you come ancestors who have lived in roughly the same place for many generations.
But the program does not have that set of people (e.g. Germans or Navajos) as
a reference population. It selects a set of references that average out in that spot.

2) you are a mixture, recently, of reference populations (say Spain, Yoruba, and Maya for
somebody from Mexico.) Since these are reference populations, it will correctly calculate
what fraction of your ancestry comes from each.

If you are a recent mixture but the exact populations you come from are not
in the reference set, it will pick nearby ones, and then the percentages will
only be approximate.

You are likely case 1. The exact set of Turks it used is not exactly like you,
so it picked a close set as the major one (Iranians) and modified it by adding
in a bit of people from NE and west. In other words, your spot on the map to the NW
of Iran (since the amount of Mediterranean is larger than Siberian.

[Pecheneg]

My first match in the Dodecad project are Turks followed by Armenians, and a lot of Anatolian Turks have similar results. It's fair to say that Armenians and Turks are genetically quite related.
we are genetically related, but still i can easily spot an armenian.
We are also very close to north caucasian Adygei and south caucasian Georgian genetically due to the west asian admixture. But we don't look same.
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[Azalea]

We are by far closer to Armenians than to Northern Caucasians. Though, this isn't about phenotype. I was strictly speaking about genetics. Because when it comes to looks, I don't exactly look very Turkish either.

[Onur]

we are genetically related, but still i can easily spot an armenian.
We are also very close to north caucasian Adygei and south caucasian Georgian genetically due to the west asian admixture. But we don't look same.
I can easily spot Armenians and Caucasians too. It`s probably because our mixture with them happened in very early stages (e.g. 800+ years ago?) and we lost our physical similarity with them anymore,

For example, a Balkan immigrant Turk looks pretty similar to other Balkan peoples by considering phenotypes, probably because our admixture with them happened in more recent times (100+ years ago?).

[Azalea]

I have quite a few Iranid looking relatives and my paternal grandfather looks über Iranid, yet, Armenians appear closer to us than Kurds. I wonder if my über Iranid looking grandfather will score first with Kurds or Armenians..

[Pecheneg]

I have quite a few Iranid looking relatives and my paternal grandfather looks über Iranid, yet, Armenians appear closer to us than Kurds. I wonder if my über Iranid looking grandfather will score first with Kurds or Armenians..
Seljuks had iranid elements due to the mixing with khorasanians, transoxanians and persians (south central asians), they also brought many Tajik-Persian to anatolia (mevlana rumi was just one of them), you can see Iranid looking people in Sivas, Kırşehir, Niğde, Yozgat somewhat similar to Kurds.

i think Aşık Veysel is good example of iranid looking Turk.
He was originally an Avshar Turk from sivas.
http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%82%C5%9F%C4%B1k_Veysel_%C5%9Eat%C4%B1ro%C4%9Fl u

Veysel Şatıroğlu veya bilinen adıyla Âşık Veysel (d. 25 Ekim 1894, Şarkışla, Sivas - ö. 21 Mart 1973), Türk halk ozanı. Avşar boyunun Şatırlı obasına mensuptur.
http://i48.tinypic.com/jhzp5v.jpg

my thread about sivas
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51926

[Azalea]

I don't think Asik Veysel looks very Iranid. He was rather typical Central Anatolian Turkish looking.

http://tr.freeimagesarchive.com/data/media/5/1_a%C5%9F%C4%B1k+veysel.jpg

http://img03.imgfotokritik.com/fk_new/lowres/1/0/9/109748/605957-asik-veysel.jpg

http://www.sivashaber.net/haber/upload/resimler/galeri/asikveysel%201-4.jpg

My grandfather f.e has a much stronger Iranid look, not very typical for Turks.

[Pecheneg]

My grandfather f.e has a much stronger Iranid look, not very typical for Turks.


who's the girl in first photo?

and yes, your grandfather has iranid look.

[Azalea]

Oops, that's the Latvian girl from Didrikssons classify thread. I probably coppied the link by accident. How weird. :lol:

[Mopi The Dire Wolf]

Ashina. Come back and post your updated results [emoji6]

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