What's Your Y-DNA Haplogroup?

[Mazik]

R1a-Z284>S4458>S5301>S5153>L448>YP355>YP609

[Pjeter Pan]

L2* annunaki descandant
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L-M20

[RighNick]

Mine is I1 (23andMe doesn't specify a subclade). My paternal grandfather was Canarian and that haplogroup seems very Scandinavian, so I'm not exactly sure where it came from originally.

[Vasconcelos]

Mine is I1 (23andMe doesn't specify a subclade). My paternal grandfather was Canarian and that haplogroup seems very Scandinavian, so I'm not exactly sure where it came from originally.

It probably dates back to the Germanic invasions during the collapse of the Roman Empire. Just for curiosity, does he have one of those Germanic family names, like Gomez, Gutierrez, etc?

[Gooding]

Mine is I1 (23andMe doesn't specify a subclade). My paternal grandfather was Canarian and that haplogroup seems very Scandinavian, so I'm not exactly sure where it came from originally.

I am I1 as well. I've used some of the functions of Gedmatch to delve a little deeper into my genetic heritage and while I do indeed have come close to Denmark, Norway, Western Norway and South and Central Sweden, I also come a little closer to the southern English and Dutch populations. I've read that the Germanic invaders involved Frisians as well as the Angles, Saxons and Jutes when Hengist and Horsa decided to take a little field trip to the British Isles. If your grandfather was Canarian, you may well have Visigothic heritage, as I understand they made their way south as other Germanic tribes moved west.

[RighNick]

It probably dates back to the Germanic invasions during the collapse of the Roman Empire.


I am I1 as well. I've used some of the functions of Gedmatch to delve a little deeper into my genetic heritage and while I do indeed have come close to Denmark, Norway, Western Norway and South and Central Sweden, I also come a little closer to the southern English and Dutch populations. I've read that the Germanic invaders involved Frisians as well as the Angles, Saxons and Jutes when Hengist and Horsa decided to take a little field trip to the British Isles. If your grandfather was Canarian, you may well have Visigothic heritage, as I understand they made their way south as other Germanic tribes moved west.

That's all very interesting, I wish I knew more about the genetic history of Iberia. My uncle thinks that we may descend from Flemish people who settled the Canary islands but that could just be romantic thinking on his part, as I've never seen any proof aside from the (most likely coincidental) fact that there are lots of blonds on the paternal side of the family.


Just for curiosity, does he have one of those Germanic family names, like Gomez, Gutierrez, etc?

His Paternal surname didn't end in ez, but many people in our extended family do have surnames like Ramirez and Suarez.

[Vasconcelos]

His Paternal surname didn't end in ez, but many people in our extended family do have surnames like Ramirez and Suarez.

"-ez" means son of, it's analogous to the "-sen" and "-son".
Some of the names with this suffix are Germanic (Gutierrez - son of Gualter; Rodriguez - son of Rodrigo), others are not (Lopez - son of the wolf; Perez - son of Pedro).

[RighNick]

"-ez" means son of, it's analogous to the "-sen" and "-son".
Some of the names with this suffix are Germanic (Gutierrez - son of Gualter; Rodriguez - son of Rodrigo), others are not (Lopez - son of the wolf; Perez - son of Pedro).

Interesting! I'll have to look through my notes and see if any of the names I came across were originally Germanic. Since I haven't seen any Dutch last names, I'm assuming that the "Flemish connection" proposed by my uncle was more myth than reality.

[Vasconcelos]

Interesting! I'll have to look through my notes and see if any of the names I came across were originally Germanic. Since I haven't seen any Dutch last names, I'm assuming that the "Flemish connection" proposed by my uncle was more myth than reality.

There might be some truth to it, though. There were also Flemish (and others) settlers in the Azores, for instance. Their numbers were small, but they did settle there.

[oh-nahhh]

I-M253.

I put my markers in the I-subclade predictor:

Haplo-I Subclades and probabilities are as follows:
I-L22-uN1 =>26% I-L22-uN2 =>26% I-M253-P =>12% I-M253-AS7E =>11% I-L22-uN2a =>8% I-L22-NuN-14 =>6% I-L22-N =>3% I-M253-ASgen =>2% I-M253-T2 =>1%

[Norka]

The unholy E-V13 Big surprise to me. I was expecting something completely different. Not sure how that is possible, maybe 23andme messed up.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

R1b1b2a1a2f*

[Longbowman]

The unholy E-V13 Big surprise to me. I was expecting something completely different. Not sure how that is possible, maybe 23andme messed up.

E3b is found throughout Europe, my Neolithic friend. Your great-great-grandfather was a farmer.

[Jana]

My dad/brother are I2a2b. Since the nomenclature changed I'm pretty confused about it's origin. Dinaric is I2a21, or is is the same group?? Heeelp :)

[TrueNordicism]

Not I-M170 = not white.

[Jana]

My dad/brother are I2a2b. Since the nomenclature changed I'm pretty confused about it's origin. Dinaric is I2a21, or is is the same group?? Heeelp :)

EDIT: found some info on Eupedia! Seems to be Celtic clade :P

''I2a2b (formerly I2b2) has a distribution mostly limited to Alpine Italy (esp. Piedmont), Switzerland, the German Rhineland, the Harz mountains, the Low Countries, eastern France, and the British Isles (with the exception of Cornwall, Wales, Cumbria and the Scottish Highlands).
Four out of the six samples from the 3000-year old Lichtenstein Cave in central Germany belonged to L38+. The cave was part of the Bronze Age Urnfield Culture. Based on the STR dating, it is believed that this lineage spread from Germany to England via Belgium in the Late Iron Age with the Celtic people of the La Tène Culture. I2a2b is therefore essentially a Alpine Celtic haplogroup.
The distribution of I2-L38 matches fairly well that of haplogroup R1b-U152 north of the Alps. Both haplogroups are also found at low frequency in Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and central Turkey, probably reflecting the migration of La Tène Celts in the third century BCE (see map). R1b-U152 is associated with both the Central European Celts (Unetice, Urnfield, Hallstatt, La Tène) and the Italic people. I2-L38 being limited to the Alpine region in Italy, mostly the north-west where Gaulish tribes settled, it is likely that I2-L38 was brought to Italy by Celtic migrations many centuries after the arrival of Italic tribes from the Alpine Danube region. I2-L38 people would therefore have been autochthonous to the region between the Alps, Central Germany and the Low Countries and were assimilated into the Celtic society during the Hallstatt or La Tène period.''

[Zmey Gorynych]

R1a1a1, probably one of those gopnik clades.

[Lawalye]

Not I-M170 = not white.

Not R-U106 = not germanic

[Guapo]

I-M170+ I1-M253+ I1-DF29+ I1-Z63+ (Z63+, BY151+, L849+, S2078+ PR683-, V68-, Y6375-) Frankish/ West germanic subclade

[Hevo]

I-M170+ I1-M253+ I1-DF29+ I1-Z63+ (Z63+, BY151+, L849+, S2078+ PR683-, V68-, Y6375-) Frankish/ West germanic subclade

Nice subclade bro, how did your Y-haplogroup end up in Serbia?

[Guapo]

Nice subclade bro, how did your Y-haplogroup end up in Serbia?

probably some dutch tourist

[DRUM]

E-V13 master race

[Lawalye]

I-M170+ I1-M253+ I1-DF29+ I1-Z63+ (Z63+, BY151+, L849+, S2078+ PR683-, V68-, Y6375-) Frankish/ West germanic subclade


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI-qBjJyJoc

Allow me to disagree with you ...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Les_Francs_entre_400_et_440.svg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Les_Francs_en_Belgique_romaine.svg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Haplogroups_europe.png

[Guapo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI-qBjJyJoc

Allow me to disagree with you ...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Les_Francs_entre_400_et_440.svg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Les_Francs_en_Belgique_romaine.svg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Haplogroups_europe.png

Disagree all you want. My I1 subclade is considered that by researchers. It is not the generic I1d found in Sweden like on your map.

[sql]

J2a1h, superhuman master race

[spanish catalan]

J2a1h, superhuman master race

this subclade is of Caucasus origin?

[de Burgh II]

R1b-U106; probably reminiscent of Frisian/Anglo Saxon invasions.

[Lawalye]

Disagree all you want. My I1 subclade is considered that by researchers. It is not the generic I1d found in Sweden like on your map.

I can make the same scientific research in my garage...

Frankish kings and aristocrats had the R-U106 halogroup, the I1 haplogroup is very low where they settled while the R-U106 is surprisingly high ...

That would be meaningless if the franks were mostly I1 except if they are talking about the rhenish franks which have nothing in common with the salian franks (except that they were both a union of tribes).

[Lawalye]

R1b-U106; probably reminiscent of Frisian/Anglo Saxon invasions.

Frisian and anglo-saxon invaders in the belgian Gaul? That never happened, batavians and franks yes.

[Guapo]

I can make the same scientific research in my garage...

Frankish kings and aristocrats had the R-U106 halogroup, the I1 haplogroup is very low where they settled while the R-U106 is surprisingly high ...

That would be meaningless if the franks were mostly I1 except if they are talking about the rhenish franks which have nothing in common with the salian franks (except that they were both a union of tribes).

I mean the Rhinish Franks. Next time don't be so obnoxious and arrogant and ask me. My Big Y matches are Germans from western Germany and one Dutchman.

[de Burgh II]

Frisian and anglo-saxon invaders in the belgian Gaul? That never happened, batavians and franks yes.

I mean to England since a good portion of my autosomal DNA components come from the British Isles. U106 is most associated with Western Germanic Tribes that integrated with the R1a and I haplogroups with Germanics.

[Lawalye]

I mean the Rhinish Franks. Next time don't be so obnoxious and arrogant and ask me. My Big Y matches are Germans from western Germany and one Dutchman.

Ok but don't be so suscetible.

Seems logical if it's about the rhenish franks but when "we" talk about about the franks (history, culture and so on) it's mostly about the salians.

[Lawalye]

I mean to England since a good portion of my autosomal DNA components come from the British Isles. U106 is most associated with Western Germanic Tribes that integrated with the R1a and I haplogroups with Germanics.

Yes in this case, it's right but the R-U106 came from Scandinavia too.

[spanish catalan]

Yes in this case, it's right but the R-U106 came from Scandinavia too.

R1b-S21 (U106) map

http://i61.tinypic.com/dm4dq1.gif

[Guapo]

Ok but don't be so suscetible.

Seems logical if it's about the rhenish franks but when "we" talk about about the franks (history, culture and so on) it's mostly about the salians.

You need to brush up on your geneology bud. There are I1-Z63 subclades that are related to the Normans as well in England that are connected to the Franks. Maybe you should join yfull instead of being some typical "know it all" Walloon cunt.

[gold_fenix]

the oldest from apricity

[Lawalye]

You need to brush up on your geneology bud. There are I1-Z63 subclades that are related to the Normans as well in England that are connected to the Franks. Maybe you should join yfull instead of being some typical "know it all" Walloon cunt.

I'm not being "know it all", I'm just telling you that the salian franks were mostly R-U106 like their aristocracy, there were still a mix of several haplogroups, that was not homegeneous.

And, I can't be aware of all subclades.


. Next time don't be so obnoxious and arrogant and ask me.

Walloon cunt.

How is arrogant here ?

[Guapo]

I'm not being "know it all", I'm just telling you that the salian franks were mostly R-U106

Says who? you in your garage? Suck a dick, R1b Celt. I'll believe the researchers on Yfull and ftdna before believing you.

[Lawalye]

Says who? you in your garage? Suck a dick, R1b Celt. I'll believe the researchers on Yfull and ftdna before believing you.

It's not only celt, R1B and R1A are indo-european and the germanic are indo-european.

[Guapo]

It's not only celt, R1B and R1A are indo-european and the germanic are indo-european.

R1b germanic? Bahahahaha. Only I1 is the real germanic haplogroup i.e. the Franks suckah

[Guapo]

Next time don't fuck with a real Frank, Celto-Walloon. I was raised by wolves.

[Lawalye]

R1b germanic? Bahahahaha. Only I1 is the real germanic haplogroup i.e. the Franks suckah

Sorry to disappoint you but the R1B are the invaders not the I1 ... How could the true germanics be I1 if I1 is so rare in Germany while the R-U106 is strong in every germanic country as well as Scandinavia. The scandinavians are germanized norse and the modern germanic is a mix of celts, germanics and norse.


http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/311073R1bmigrationmap.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=311073R1bmigrationmap.jpg)

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/756889images.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=756889images.jpg)


http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/132605R1amigrationmap.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=132605R1amigrationmap.jpg)

[Guapo]

Sorry to disappoint you but the R1B are the invaders not the I1 ... How could the true germanics be I1 if I1 is so rare in Germany while the R-U106 is strong in every germanic country as well as Scandinavia. The scandinavians are germanized norse and the modern germanic is a mix of celts, germanics and norse.


http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/311073R1bmigrationmap.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=311073R1bmigrationmap.jpg)

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/756889images.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=756889images.jpg)


http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/132605R1amigrationmap.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=132605R1amigrationmap.jpg)



Germanic migrations

The Germanic migrations dispersed I1 lineages to Britain (Anglo-Saxons), Belgium (Franks, Saxons), France (Franks, Visigoths and Burgundians), South Germany (Franks, Alamanni, Suebi, Marcomanni, Thuringii and others), Switzerland (Alamanni, Suebi, Burgundians), Iberia (Visigoths, Suebi and Vandals), Italy (Goths, Vandals, Lombards), Austria and Slovenia (Ostrogoths, Lombards, Bavarians), Ukraine and Moldova (Goths), as well as around Hungary and northern Serbia (Gepids). The I1 found among the Poles (6%), Czechs (11%), Slovaks (6%) and Hungarians (8%) is also the result of centuries of influence from their German and Austrian neighbours. The relativelemy high frequency of I1 around Serbia and western Bulgaria (5% to 10%) could be owed to the Goths who settled in the Eastern Roman Empire in the 3rd and 4th centuries.

The Danish and Norwegian Vikings brought more I1 to Britain, Ireland, the Isle of Man, Normandy, Flanders, Iberia, Sicily... The Swedish Vikings (Varangians) set up colonies in Russia and Ukraine, and outposts as far as the Byzantine Empire, the Caucasus and Persia. The higher frequency of I1 in Northwest Russia (east of the Baltic) hints at had a particularly strong Varangian presence, which is concordant with the establishment of the Kievan Rus' by the Swedes.

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml#germanic

[Lawalye]

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml#germanic

I don't disagree but that's recent migration with the germanic invasion.

Of course, like I said there were a lot of I1 among the franks but they were mostly R1-U106, that's all.

[Guapo]

you little celtic cunt.

[Lawalye]

"How did I1 become Germanic ?

From 2800 BCE, a large-scale cultural and genetic upheaval hit Scandinavia with the arrival of the Indo-Europeans from Eastern Europe, who introduced the Copper Age and Early Bronze Age practically without Neolithic transition. The first Indo-Europeans to reach Scandinavia were the Corded Ware people from modern Russia, Belarus and Poland, who are thought to have belonged predominantly to haplogroup R1a."

See ...

[Lawalye]

you little celtic cunt.

The Germanic branch (S21/U106)

The principal Proto-Germanic branch of the Indo-European family tree is R1b-S21 (a.k.a. U106). This haplogroup is found at high concentrations in the Netherlands and north-west Germany. It is likely that R1b-S21 lineages expanded in this region through a founder effect during the Unetice period, then penetrated into Scandinavia around 1700 BCE, thus creating a new culture, that of the Noridc Bronze Age (1700-500 BCE). R1b-S21 would then have blended for more than a millennium with preexisting Scandinavian populations, represented by haplogroups I1, I2-M223, R1a-Z284 and to a lesser extent N1c1, which evolved into a relatively unified whole during the Iron Age, the first truly Germanic culture and language, although spread across many tribes. R1b-S21 became the dominant haplogroup among the West Germanic tribes, but remained in the minority against I1 and R1a in East Germanic tribes, including those originating from Sweden such as the Goths, the Vandals and Lombards.

The presence of R1b-S21 in other parts of Europe can be attributed almost exclusively to the Germanic migrations that took place between the 3rd and the 10th century. The Frisians and Anglo-Saxons disseminated this haplogroup to England and the Scottish Lowlands, the Franks to Belgium and France, the Burgundians to eastern France, the Suebi to Galicia and northern Portugal, and the Lombards to Austria and Italy. The Goths help propagate S21 around Eastern Europe, but apparently their Germanic lineages were progressively diluted by blending with Slavic and Balkanic populations, and their impact in Italy, France and Spain was very minor. Later the Danish and Norwegian Vikings have also contributed to the diffusion of R1b-S21 (alongside I1, I2b1 and R1a) around much of Western Europe, but mainly in Iceland, in the British Isles, in Normandy, and in the southern Italy.

[Guapo]

"How did I1 become Germanic ?

From 2800 BCE, a large-scale cultural and genetic upheaval hit Scandinavia with the arrival of the Indo-Europeans from Eastern Europe, who introduced the Copper Age and Early Bronze Age practically without Neolithic transition. The first Indo-Europeans to reach Scandinavia were the Corded Ware people from modern Russia, Belarus and Poland, who are thought to have belonged predominantly to haplogroup R1a."

See ...

See what? It's well known I1 men are the real badass fuckers that spread their seed and germanic/Viking culture unlike you R1b pussies that stayed in their place lol

[Lawalye]

See what? It's well known I1 men are the real badass fuckers that spread their seed and germanic/Viking culture unlike you R1b pussies that stayed in their place lol

"Become germanic", they are not the original germanics, they are germanized norse who mixed with the R-U106 and they spread with the germanic invasion.
The celtic R1B did not stayed at their place, they come from central Europe and then conquered all the west while the germanic R1B have invaded Scandinavia and central Europe.

The I haplogroup come from the pre indo-european population, they were mainly "replaced" by the invaders. It's why the I haplogroup is the most important only in Scandinavia and the balkans. The germanics mixed more with them, it's why it remain strong in Scandinavia and is also important in the other germanic countries.

[Guapo]

"Become germanic", they are not the original germanics, they are germanized norse who mixed with the R-U106 and they spread with the germanic invasion.
The celtic R1B did not stayed at their place, they come from central Europe and then conquered all the west while the germanic R1B have invaded Scandinavia and central Europe.

The I haplogroup come from the pre indo-european population, they were mainly "replaced" by the invaders. It's why the I haplogroup is the most important only in Scandinavia and the balkans. The germanics mixed more with them, it's why it remain strong in Scandinavia and is also important in the other germanic countries.

You're still a fag, R1b guy.

[Lawalye]

You're still a fag, R1b guy.

R1B U106 guy :cool:

[Guapo]

R1B U106 guy :cool:

Pardon me, You're still a fag, R1B U106 guy.

[Jana]

PS I confused nomenclature again. I2a2b of my dad is Dinaric , not Celtic one. Celtic clade is former I2b if I am not mistaken.

So: I2a-Dinaric! :)

[gültekin]

N-M231 (N1b - 01) +P43
https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/308926?dpr=2&fit=crop&h=1017&w=976

[Pennywise]

N-M231 (N1b - 01) +P43


Ftdna myorigins haplogrubunu gösterdi mi sana yoksa ayrıca y-dna testi mi yaptırdın?

[Ylla]

Father : EV13

Mothers father: R1b-L23

Typical haplogroups of my ethnicity:thumbs up

[Ylla]

Double post

[frido]

23andme classified me as E1b1b1c, which is obsolete by ISOGG standards. Wiki conversion table replaced it with E1b1b1b2a..I used the ISOGG Y tree add on and got this:


• • E1b1b1b2a M123/PF2023, CTS677/PF2015, CTS1229, CTS1652/Z1152, CTS6404, CTS9588, CTS10656, CTS11004, L798, L799, L857/PF2017/Z1147, PF2021/Z1154
• • • • • • • • • E1b1b1b2a1 M34/PF2022, CTS1264/Z843, CTS1510/Z844, CTS10814/Z859, CTS10815/Z860, CTS10896/Z861, CTS12700/Z863, L787, L797/PF2016/Z1146, PF1999/Z1155, PF2018/Z1148, PF2020/Z1153, Z839, Z840, Z841, Z845, Z846, Z847, Z848, Z855, Z856, Z857, Z858, Z862
• • • • • • • • • • E1b1b1b2a1a M84, CTS1096, L795/CTS4483, L29/Page47, PF6750

Bold markers are positive. L29 was positive, does it means I'm E1b1b1b2a1a ?

[Afshar]

Q-m25

[Voskos]

Still waiting for my results. It takes too long ffs...

[Ülev]

r1b

[Charles Bronson]

Q-m25 Oppenheimers haplogroup and 5% of Ashkenazis.

[Pahli]

J1 Kavkaz stronk

[Dick]

r1b

You change yours every other day. You must be "Gothorum" the guy from poland. Save money and actually do a test, cheap pollack.

[Pahli]

You change yours every other day. You must be "Gothorum" the guy from poland. Save money and actually do a test, cheap pollack.

Maybe he is e1b and scared to face the reality by doing the test.

[Dick]

Maybe he is e1b and scared to face the reality by doing the test.

He is annoying either way.

pay for a test ya cheap faggot.

[Pahli]

He is annoying either way.

pay for a test ya cheap faggot.

Trigger memes would be good to use :laugh:

[Ülev]

You change yours every other day. You must be "Gothorum" the guy from poland. Save money and actually do a test, cheap pollack.

Are you stalking me? Get a life. I see many people here change their data, lol

[Dick]

Are you stalking me? Get a life. I see many people here change their data, lol

You sound like a woman. Stop being a fag and get a y-dna test, ya cheap pollack.

[Ülev]

You sound like a woman. Stop being a fag and get a y-dna test, ya cheap pollack.

Kosovo je Albania, ok ok

[Dick]

Kosovo je Albania, ok ok

Ok and? you're a cheap pollack, gothorum.

[Ülev]

Ok and? you're a cheap pollack, gothorum.

No, I am the truest Serb.

[Dick]

No, I am the truest Serb.

You're a polish loser(not dutch/french) that needs to get a job to pay for a y-dna test instead of spending 24/7 on the internet.

[Ülev]

You're a polish loser(not dutch/french) that needs to get a job to pay for a y-dna test instead of spending 24/7 on the internet.

lol, said a person who hide his activity status

[Voskos]

My only matches:

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[Afshar]

Q1a

[Dema]

I still dont know, These tests are taking forever... I will know in about another 30 days lol

[Charles Bronson]

End of the time, Im "O-M176" maybe from the Manchus,Japanese or Korean it is weird!?



I wait for my subclade test and hope they confused my test accidentally.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

End of the time, Im "O-M176" maybe from the Manchus,Japanese or Korean it is weird!?



I wait for my subclade test and hope they confused my test accidentally.

Not surprising, you are Turk after all, you have East Asian in you like the Hungarians and Finns. All members of greater Turan, like me :D

[7eleven]

R1b-L21, Very Celtic :)

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

R1b-L21, Very Celtic :)

SAME

huh, weird for a Jew/German mix..I wonder how the heck you got that..

[Charles Bronson]

Not surprising, you are Turk after all, you have East Asian in you like the Hungarians and Finns. All members of greater Turan, like me :D



No, I want the hp P-m45, N-m231, Q-m25 and not a east-asian hp.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

No, I want the hp P-m45, N-m231, Q-m25 and not a east-asian hp.

But East Asians are fine :/

Turanids had all of these groups. It is not surprising some Turks would have it.

[Charles Bronson]

But East Asians are fine :/

Turanids had all of these groups. It is not surprising some Turks would have it.



In Turkey is this hp not existent.

[7eleven]

SAME

huh, weird for a Jew/German mix..I wonder how the heck you got that..


My paternal line and surname are British.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

In Turkey is this hp not existent.

It is now :D

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

My paternal line and surname are British.

Oh, that explains it then.

[Charles Bronson]

Q1a

Ay men why do you given me a thumbs down, am I not your Turanid brother?

[Africa]

R1A1

[Rethel]

Subscribed.

[Slavic Italian]

R1a1a

[Longbowman]

Subscribed.

Nice avatar, I love A Je To.

[Rethel]

Nice avatar, I love A Je To.

It was in Britain?

I didn't even know, that it is A Je To.
We called them "Neighbours" :)

[Longbowman]

It was in Britain?

I didn't even know, that it is A Je To.
We called them "Neighbours" :)

A Je To or Pat A Mat (And that's that! or Pat and Matt).

It's a Slovak show, I had Slovak au pairs, they gave me all the DVDs.

[Rethel]

A Je To or Pat A Mat (And that's that! or Pat and Matt).

It's a Slovak show, I had Slovak au pairs, they gave me all the DVDs.

Why they didn;t taught you slovakish?

[Longbowman]

Why they didn;t taught you slovakish?

Slovakian.

hoveris po slovensko?

[Rethel]

Slovakian.

hoveris po slovensko?

Neeee, but do you?

[Longbowman]

Neeee, but do you?

enough to understand A Je To ;)

[Mikula]

A Je To / Pat and Mat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_%26_Mat)

Is a Czecho-Slovak show

[Rethel]

enough to understand A Je To ;)

Aaaa... then me too! :D

[Longbowman]

Aaaa... then me too! :D

I know a few words :)

[Rethel]

I know a few words :)

If I would haired foreign pairmaid I would expect, that
she will speak with children in her own language, Even
if it would be some ugabuga tounge from Oceania. At
least, they would be very unique, when they would be
adults. :) Slovakian is not so rare, so you would have
original skills & could monopolize at least some branch
of Slovakia-UK diplomatic or trade relations :)

[Charles Bronson]

Best East-Altai hp O-M176.

[Charles Bronson]

But it is a part of sino-hmongo-thaio-austronesian continuum anyway :p




NO, best HP in the World!

[Ülev]

I was joking, ok the real is I2a1b, Balkan Stronk!

[Nurzat]

J2a1b* (Ossetian, Iranic)

[RHouallet]

Mine is R1a1a1-L664-YP5320, a rare subclade with the North Sea as a secondary point of spread. It is found largely in southwest England, with a posited point of origin as Frisia.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

R1b1b1b1b1b2b1babab1b1babab1b1b2babab1b2bab12bab1*

[The Illyrian Warrior]

E-V13 like Loki and many Albanian Kosovars.

[Coolguy1]

J2 - M319, the haplogroup of the Minoans

[Rethel]

J2 - M319, the haplogroup of the Minoans

Minoans were rather E1, at least in majority.



R1b1b1b1b1b2b1babab1b1babab1b1b2babab1b2bab12bab1*

Don make such jokes.

Are you R1 at all in reality?

[Rethel]

E-V13 like Loki and many Albanian Kosovars.

Finally you got it!

How do you feel as Kasluch-Pelazg-Philistine descendant of Ham? :)

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Minoans were rather E1, at least in majority.




Don make such jokes.

Are you R1 at all in reality?

No I am J2

[de Burgh II]

R-L48

Western Germanic.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Finally you got it!

Yep, I did.


How do you feel as Kasluch-Pelazg-Philistine descendant of Ham? :)

Feeling ancient and shiet.

[Lek]

N1c1

[Rius]

On nationalgeographic page, it shows R1b-L150. But on familytreedna page , its called R-PF7562.

[Rethel]

Feeling ancient and shiet.

Why shit?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Why shit?

Do not take it literally, was just a metaphorical joke.

[Rethel]

Do not take it literally, was just a metaphorical joke.

Ok, I get it, hamitic slang :)

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Ok, I get it, hamitic slang :)

More like internet slang of we wuz kingz n' shiet. ;)

[Herr Abubu]

Agrippa, Baluarte, DRUM, Kastrioti1443, Loki, Longbowman, Scholarios Chiotis, Mortimer... I like being associated with these people, even if it's insignificant in the big picture... We're all Sons of Ham.

[cosmoo]

I2a1b (subclade: "Din-south"). Troo native European :)
http://images.newmedia.lu/rtl2008.lu/nt/p/2014/09/19/07/98fc5dde1f9e60dc8a751c2a86078f46.jpeg
(nvm pigmentation)

[Rethel]

Troo native European :)

So, you should be put into reservation :laugh:

[Governor]

Probably i'll get one of the HG which Greeks mostly have.

[Hadouken]

Agrippa, Baluarte, DRUM, Kastrioti1443, Loki, Longbowman, Scholarios Chiotis, Mortimer... I like being associated with these people, even if it's insignificant in the big picture... We're all Sons of Ham.

count me in :)

[Rethel]

Probably i'll get one of the HG which Greeks mostly have.

When?

[Governor]

When?

I haven't done a test yet :biggrin:

[Herr Abubu]

count me in :)

Nice, you just tested? What E did you get? Another Kurd has E-V13. Don't know if it's common there or not...

[Hadouken]

Nice, you just tested? What E did you get? Another Kurd has E-V13. Don't know if it's common there or not...

tested long ago . I have posted many gedmatch results it seems you didnt see :D . I am E1b1b1c1a

[Herr Abubu]

tested long ago . I have posted many gedmatch results it seems you didnt see :D . I am E1b1b1c1a

I don't really follow the genetics stuff anymore. It was interesting at first because it was new and everything, but then the interest waned. How common is E among Kurds?

[Hadouken]

I don't really follow the genetics stuff anymore. It was interesting at first because it was new and everything, but then the interest waned. How common is E among Kurds?

I dont know tbh. :o

[Rethel]

How common is E among Kurds?

Iraq 7.5% - 11.5% Turkey.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Agrippa, Baluarte, DRUM, Kastrioti1443, Loki, Longbowman, Scholarios Chiotis, Mortimer... I like being associated with these people, even if it's insignificant in the big picture... We're all Sons of Ham.

Agrippa, Loki and Longbowman (although not E-V13) are only people in your list I like to associate myself with, the rest are meh, Kastro was not even tested so how the heck we know he's E-V13?

[Tschaikisten]

G2a2b2a1-L497>L42.
Will get Y12 results at FTDNA soon, after I will try a Autosomal.
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/30888-The-Celts-were-G2a2b2a1b-L497-(-Hallstatt-Y-DNA-from-Mitterkirchen-Upper-Austria-700
http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/G2a-L140-tree.png

[The Illyrian Warrior]

G2a2b2a1-L497>L42.
Will get Y12 results at FTDNA soon, after I will try a Autosomal.
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/30888-The-Celts-were-G2a2b2a1b-L497-(-Hallstatt-Y-DNA-from-Mitterkirchen-Upper-Austria-700
http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/G2a-L140-tree.png

Try y37 to get much clearer picture, y12 is very superficial.

[Tschaikisten]

Try y37 to get much clearer picture, y12 is very superficial.

I don't need it, but I will try it one day of course. I'm already tested in our national lab, so I just need to confirm it on marker DYS388, which is part of Y12 test. :)

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I don't need it, but I will try it one day of course. I'm already tested in our national lab, so I just need to confirm it on marker DYS388, which is part of Y12 test. :)

So that specific marker was not included in your previous test? Interesting hg you got, generally really rare one, I think Archon has similar hg as you.

[Annie999]

Im very excited as my uncle (dad's brother) did a 23andme so I will find out my Y-DNA soon :)

The further back we could go is my g-g-g-grandpa in Piedmont, northern Italy, what do you think it could be? My guess is R1b which seems to be the most common for that zone.

[Rethel]

G2a2b2a1-L497>L42.
Will get Y12 results at FTDNA soon, after I will try a Autosomal.
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/30888-The-Celts-were-G2a2b2a1b-L497-(-Hallstatt-Y-DNA-from-Mitterkirchen-Upper-Austria-700
http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/G2a-L140-tree.png

A propos, did you read what XP announced about dinarids?



Rhaetian speakers

Scordisci

Do not follow such assumptions.
They are missleading and dangerrous.
At least, do not speak about them as a fact.



The further back we could go is my g-g-g-grandpa in Piedmont, northern Italy, what do you think it could be?

Indoeuropean.

[Lucas]

Admin in r1a project on FTDNA give me probable subclad of R-M198 (which is predicted on 37 markers) = Z282 > PF6155 > M458 > PF7521 > L260> YP1337-x3.

[Rethel]

Admin in r1a project on FTDNA give me probable subclad of R-M198 (which is predicted on 37 markers) = Z282 > PF6155 > M458 > PF7521 > L260> YP1337-x3.

Miast na horror iść do kina wczuj się w rolę Słowianina! :)

[Lucas]

BTW na drzewku mam wiersz wyzej jakiegos Rethelitę:) To ty?

[Rethel]

BTW na drzewku mam wiersz wyzej jakiegos Rethelitę :) To ty?

Nie, ale ja go testowałem :)
Może też jesteś z mojej wsi :p

[Lucas]

R1a (FTDNA) gdzie Michał Milewski jest adminem.

[Rethel]

R1a (FTDNA) gdzie Michał Milewski jest adminem.

Juz znalazłek.

[Lucas]

Tak, tylko skasuj nazwisko teraz u siebie w poście. Nie chce tu podawać:)

[Rethel]

Tak, tylko skasuj nazwisko teraz u siebie w poście. Nie chce tu podawać:)

A tyś moje podał, też skasuj :p

Widzę, że bardzo blisko jesteśta.
Na 12 tylko jedna różnica, dalej troszkę dużo, ale
chyba się jeszcze w średniowieczu załapieta :)

[Lucas]

Ok już zedytowane:) Ten twój krewniak spod Łomży tak? Tak jak ty chyba?

[Lucas]

U mnie w rodzinie niby pochodzimy z okolic Sieradza w linii ojca (mapa nazwusk wskazuje że to centrum), więc to raczej sprzed kilku wieków co najmniej migracja.

[Rethel]

Ok już zedytowane:) Ten twój krewniak spod Łomży tak?

No niby tak, ale to w tym stuleciu. A jak wszedł w posiadanie
nazwiska, nie wiadomo. Wszystkie opcje są możliwe, włącznie
z zamieszkiwaniem we wsi, chociaż na pewno część -ewskich
jest nami, pytanie tylko jak duża część...

[Rethel]

U mnie w rodzinie niby pochodzimy z okolic Sieradza w linii ojca (mapa nazwusk wskazuje że to centrum), więc to raczej sprzed kilku wieków co najmniej migracja.

A tam się znowu pałętają jacyś -ewscy pisani
przez e zamiast y, co najmniej od drugiej połowy
XVIII wieku, może ten mój jest stamtąd, albo tamci
od niego? Trzebaby było jakiegoś testnąć...

[Lucas]

Trzeba będzie.

[Stears]

R1b :)

[Rethel]

R1b :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8PFtt1P3TU

[Dema]

R1b :)

what clade

[Stears]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8PFtt1P3TU[requested by Rethel to fix his quoted post]


Hello Indian Gypo! Unlike R1a, R1b is not proto-Indo-European marker. Never forget it.

[Rethel]

R1b is not proto-European marker. Never forget it.

So what it is?

[Stears]

what clade

R1b-Z381>Z301, I only close match other Hungarians.

[Stears]

So what it is?

It is Western European marker, so real European haplogroup, unlike your IE R1a Eurasian marker, deal with it! :)

[Dema]

R1b-Z381>Z301, I only close match other Hungarians.

Do you feel closer to R1thel now? Btw congrats

[Rethel]

Do you feel closer to R1thel now? Btw congrats

:laugh:

[Stears]

Do you feel closer to R1thel now? Btw congrats

No. Rethel is a stupid Russian untermensch boy, who think he is a German.

[Rethel]

It is Western European marker, so real European haplogroup, unlike your IE R1a Eurasian marker, deal with it! :)

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-19-2014/h1Fn97.gif

btw, you are quickly changing your mind, a couple of minutes ago, you claimed something totally opposite. :picard2:


Unlike R1a, R1b is not proto-European marker. Never forget it.

[Rethel]

No. Rethel is a stupid Russian untermensch boy, who think he is a German.

Why rootless people, who bearly even know their grandpa,
are always feeling the power to judge those, who know? :icon_ask:

[Stears]

Why rootless people, who bearly even know their grandpa,
are always feeling the power to judge those, who know? :icon_ask:

Wrong. Unlike you, I have no foreign ancestry in my family tree. You may be product of some Soviet soldier, who raped women in Central-Eastern Europe after WW2.

[Rethel]

Wrong. Unlike you, I have no foreign ancestry in my family tree.

1. You probably do not have any family tree.
2. You have foreign haplotype, as you said, western European.
3. Please, do not create facts, which are not true about me.


You may be product of some Soviet soldier, who raped women in Central-Eastern Europe after WW2.

In Hungary were no rapes... yea... :laugh:
Probably more, than in Poland, becasue you was on the Hitler side.

p.s. now Hungary is not in central Europe, or you were talking about yourself? :laugh:

[Stears]

1. You probably do not have any family tree.
2. You have foreign haplotype, as you said, western European.
3. Please, do not create facts, which are not true about me.



In Hungary were no rapes... yea... :laugh:
Probably more, than in Poland, becasue you was on the Hitler side.

p.s. now Hungary is not in central Europe, or you were talking about yourself? :laugh:

Wrong. I am not proletarian like you, so I know my ancestry.

''2. You have foreign haplotype, as you said, western European.''
Wrong. It is common in Western Europe, but not foreign to Hungary. I only close match Hungarians not foreigners. Hungarian Conquerors also had R1b, ignorant Russian.

''In Hungary were no rapes... yea... :laugh:
Probably more, than in Poland, becasue you was on the Hitler side.''

You are not a Pole, but a Russian descendant with weird look who hate Hungarians.

[Rethel]

Wrong. I am not proletarian like you, so I know my ancestry.

Yea, sure...
If you are not proletarian, why do
you behave worst than typical pleb?


Wrong. It is common in Western Europe, but not foreign to Hungary. I only close match Hungarians not foreigners. Hungarian Conquerors also had R1b, ignorant Russian.

Still foreign - not hungarian, not ugrofinian, not uralian at all.
More than that - very pre-hungarian and local, Indoeuropean-local, Panonian.
Ergo - you allowed yourself to be subjugated by Hungolian savages from the jewish khaganate :laugh:


You are not a Pole, but a Russian descendant with weird look who hate Hungarians.

It is very enlighting... :picard1:

[de Burgh II]

I am R-L48. :3

[Rethel]

I am R-L48. :3

:thumb001:

[Stears]

Yea, sure...
If you are not proletarian, why do
you behave worst than typical pleb?



Still foreign - not hungarian, not ugrofinian, not uralian at all.
More than that - very pre-hungarian and local, Indoeuropean-local, Panonian.
Ergo - you allowed yourself to be subjugated by Hungolian savages from the jewish khaganate :laugh:



It is very enlighting... :picard1:

Idiot. Your fantasy has absolutely no scientific background. Ration of N1c is 0.5% in Hungary, you can find more of such Siberian haplogroup among ethnic Romanians, Serbs and Slovaks, Poles, than us. Deal with it.

Since you are Russian, ratio of N1c is really big among your people.

[jingorex]

What's this? No G1?

http://i64.tinypic.com/vmzxaw.jpg

[Rethel]

What's this? No G1?

So vote for G unity :p

[Voskos]

not E1b

[Rethel]

not E1b

How can you know it?

[Voskos]

How can you know it?

dude.i tested.

[Rethel]

dude.i tested.

So, normal people, when they are tested, they write what hg
they are - not what they are not, especially, the one from many.

[Voskos]

So, normal people, when they are tested, they write what hg
they are - not what they are not, especially, the one from many.

well, consider me an abnormal

[Kriptc06]

E1b1b1 (M35), very basic and needs further testing, as for now, it can be from anywhere.

[Uull]

R1a1a here, my paternal line came originally from rural Farther Pomerania, relatively close to Stettin

[Dick]

R1a1a here, my paternal line came originally from rural Farther Pomerania, relatively close to Stettin

Rethel will be delighted.

[KrashNick]

R1b

[Enflamme]

R-M269 or "R1b U106>Z18> Z17>>L257" according Nevgen or "S26" according another Y-DNA predictor...

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2017/25/4/1498111591-y-dna-haplogroup-origins.png

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t35.0-12/19403590_10212914129669663_1135826449_o.png?oh=57d fbb3a37dfc707f57e89c5ef47ab57&oe=594E08AD

https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2017/25/4/1498111572-other-haplogroup-predictor.png

[Rethel]

R-M269 or "R1b U106>Z18> Z17>>L257" according Nevgen or "S26" according another Y-DNA predictor...

So welcome to our IE kindred :)

[Enflamme]

So welcome to our IE kindred :)

On the paternal side you mean? Because I may not be "IE" on the maternal side (mDna), I guess?

[Rethel]

Because I may not be "IE" on the maternal side (mDna), I guess?

:picard2:

On maternal side you are noone.

[Enflamme]

:picard2:

On maternal side you are noone.

:033102to::lovebire::Hug00001:

[Enflamme]

"Your Confirmed Haplogroup is R-Z17

Haplogroup R-U106 is the descendant of the major R-P25 (aka R-M343) lineage and is found from Eastern Europe to its highest frequency in Central Europe and the British Isles."

[Dema]

Best one

[Token]

East Germanic I1a3/I1-Z63.

[Hamlet]

I1, extremely unusual for Jews, going to get FTDNA to see what subclade.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

You are haplogroups of fags. Nuff said.

[Kriptc06]

You are haplogroups of fags. Nuff said.

shut up Joo!


im j2b2 specifically

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

shut up Joo!

Yes you are fag haplogroups.

[Kriptc06]

Yes you are fag haplogroups.

:ranger:no:

ydna is your true origin, autossomal is bulshit

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Nope MTDNA and x chromosome are. It marks your populations true origins since the mothers give birth to children. Mtdna is in both children also.

[Dick]

Nope MTDNA and x chromosome are. It marks your populations true origins since the mothers give birth to children. Mtdna is in both children also.

And only males have a ydna, Einstein :lol00001: I always figured you weren't the sharpest tool in the shed.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

And only males have a ydna, Einstein [emoji38]00001: I always figured you weren't the sharpest tool in the shed.
Durrr. Did i say females have y dna? Not the sharpest tool in the shed

The point was females give their haplogroup to both kids.
Men dont. Women give birth to whole populations also. Men dont. Men go and come as they please. Woman generally live and raise children. Foreign migrating ydna doesnt mean its part of someones real origins. Mtdna marks roots deeper than Y dna.

[Myanthropologies]

G2b1a.

[Voskos]

T1a , most distant ancestor moved from Constantinople to Venetian-occupied Crete after conquest of the city by the Turks.

[Lollipop]

T1a , most distant ancestor moved from Constantinople to Venetian-occupied Crete after conquest of the city by the Turks.

And you know this how

[blondbeast]

I1

[Voskos]

And you know this how

Research by family members and genealogical trees.why?

[Lollipop]

Research by family members and genealogical trees.why?

Constantinople was conquered more than 500 years ago, I really doubt your family members traced even close to that time period.It's easier to say that than to accept the reality that it was brought by Ottoman conquests in South Europe.But whatever helps you sleep at night,

[Voskos]

Constantinople was conquered more than 500 years ago, I really doubt your family members traced even close to that time period.It's easier to say that than to accept the reality that it was brought by Ottoman conquests in South Europe.But whatever helps you sleep at night,

There is more T in Greece than in Turkey.

[Lollipop]

There is more T in Greece than in Turkey.

Enjoy your iraqian-iranian heritage.

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-T.gif

[Voskos]

Enjoy your iraqian-iranian heritage.

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-T.gif

It was already there in Neolithic Bulgaria.

http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/t1a1bulga_zpsiqxkvohp.jpg.html

[Voskos]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T-M184#Ancient_DNA_from_Malak_Preslavets

[Lollipop]

It was already there in Neolithic Bulgaria.

http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/t1a1bulga_zpsiqxkvohp.jpg.html

It does not mean that your ancestor was in Neolithic Bulgaria, its just a game of %.You dont have to convience me buddy.

[Voskos]

It does not mean that your ancestor was in Neolithic Bulgaria, its just a game of %.You dont have to convience me buddy.

What's your point? You said it's Ottoman when all my close matches are European.

[Lollipop]

What's your point? You said it's Ottoman when all my close matches are European.

I'm just saying that there's a higher change for it to be brought by Ottomans or other non-european's, than your bullshit story about Constantinople.Simple math.

[Köstebek]

There is more T in Greece than in Turkey.

Constantinople Greeks had many christians WHO had no Greek origin and came from the middle east. You dont know history? Are you in Greece?

[Voskos]

I'm just saying that there's a higher change for it to be brought by Ottomans or other non-european's, than your bullshit story about Constantinople.Simple math.

There isn't a single non-European that belongs to my terminal SNP.

[Lollipop]

There isn't a single non-European that belongs to my terminal SNP.

Today.

[Voskos]

Constantinople Greeks had many christians WHO had no Greek origin and came from the middle east. You dont know history? Are you in Greece?

Yes of course but my matches are Balkan , Italian and West European. I have no Middle Eastern Y-DNA matches.

[Köstebek]

Yes of course but my matches are Balkan , Italian and West European. I have no Middle Eastern Y-DNA matches.

Then it is Greek Ydna. Majority of Greek Ydna are Anatolian and Levant origin anyway. Mine also the most matches in Italy. But its ancestor of origin is Anatolia and my family is Anatolians

[Kelmendasi]

There isn't a single non-European that belongs to my terminal SNP.
Bro best to ignore that troll Deymark. He did the same thing to me when he found out about my ydna. He thinks he's some Nordic remnant in Romania and that he has Gothic origin even though he has never done a genetic test in his life he's just plain stupid even when he's been proven wrong with facts he acts as if he is right. He doesn't even know his haplogroup but says that he belongs to I2 just in fear of being of Neolithic descent but he still forgets that Neolithic autosomal genes take up over 50% of the Romanian autosomal DNA but he still thinks he is of 100% WHG blood lol.

[Lollipop]

Bro best to ignore that troll Deymark. He did the same thing to me when he found out about my ydna. He thinks he's some Nordic remnant in Romania and that he has Gothic origin even though he has never done a genetic test in his life he's just plain stupid even when he's been procen wrong with facts he acts as if he is right. He doesn't even know his haplogroup but says that he belongs to I2 just in fear of being of Neolithic descent but he still forgets that Neolithic autosomal genes take up over 50% of the Romanian autosomal DNA but he still thinks he is of 100% WHG blood lol. Thank god he got banned

Well I'll be damned, for 1 minute I thought I was gone for good.Looks like I have a guardian angel ;)
To answer your question, we don't really know if mongrel's T came with non-euros , but one thing we know is for sure.Your j1 came with arabs.

[blondbeast]

Well I'll be damned, for 1 minute I thought I was gone for good.Looks like I have a guardian angel ;)
To answer your question, we don't really know if mongrel's T came with non-euros , but one thing we know is for sure.Your j1 came with arabs.

I unbanned you.

[Kelmendasi]

Well I'll be damned, for 1 minute I thought I was gone for good.Looks like I have a guardian angel ;)
To answer your question, we don't really know if mongrel's T came with non-euros , but one thing we know is for sure.Your j1 came with arabs.
Yes just like how we know that you are of Gothic origin Gothmark my 100% WHG cioban

[Voskos]

Well I'll be damned, for 1 minute I thought I was gone for good.Looks like I have a guardian angel ;)
To answer your question, we don't really know if mongrel's T came with non-euros , but one thing we know is for sure.Your j1 came with arabs.

Why do you troll people? Only one specific cluster of J1-P58 is Arab and that is FGC11. Kelmendasi doesn't belong to this haplotype.

[Kelmendasi]

Why do you troll people? Only one specific cluster of J1-P58 is Arab and that is FGC11. Kelmendasi doesn't belong to this haplotype.
He will still claim it's Arab he doesn't really care about facts

[MagnusAurelius]

Nice website.

I'll offer these following observations I had of it:

For those looking for a "Turkey is not European" weapon, their R1b+R1a+I only comes to 28%...
All other European countries have [R1b+R1a+I] super-majorities (usually approaching 75% - Iceland has 98%!).
There are three exceptions to the above rule...
Firstly, Albania. Their R1b+R1a+I is only 48%; most of the rest seems to come from nonEuropean Islamic settlers after the conversion of the Albanians.
Secondly, Greece. If one wants to know what kind of damage was done to Greece by the centuries of Ottoman rule (and to some extent their imperialism in the disatant past): Their [R1b+R1a+I] is 39.5% (they also have some Hellenic-only markers; but Middle-Eastern Y-lines seem to predominate).
Finally, Finland. The majority carry the Finnic-N. (It's been well established that 90%+ of Finnic genetics is European and the rest is old-Siberian... hence the slight lappoid tendencies of some Finnish people).
Back to Turkey-- If one considers Turkey to be European based on this metric, one would have to likewise consider Syria to be European, as their [R1b+R1a+I] is 28.5%. Iraq's is comparable, too, at 22%. Iran's is 26%. (Iran also curiously has 2.5% of the Finnic N...)
For those looking for a "Southern Italy is not fully European" weapon:

[R1b+R1a+I] Frequency in Northern Italy - 69.5%
[R1b+R1a+I] Frequency in Central Italy - 56.5%
[R1b+R1a+I] Frequency in Southern Italy - 39%
Although the proto-Germanic/Nordic "I" was always a European grouping going back to the pre-IceAge (http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7463/europehaplogroups2.jpg), it seems they usually tended towards being a ruling caste and not the peasantry, so they usually had fewer children than the surrounding R1'ers, thus their gene frequency is lower overall.


Nonsense. Modern Greeks are very much the same as they were in Ancient times. Simply put, IndoEuropeans migrated and/or invaded and mixed with the Indigenous Caucasoids of the area.

http://observer.com/2017/08/dna-testing-solves-mystery-ancient-greeks-origins/

[Lollipop]

Yes just like how we know that you are of Gothic origin Gothmark my 100% WHG cioban

Its the truth,when i look in the mirror often i expect my reflection to talk back in german.


Why do you troll people? Only one specific cluster of J1-P58 is Arab and that is FGC11. Kelmendasi doesn't belong to this haplotype.

All J1 is arab.Just because it supposedly lived in Europe for a few thousand years and mixed with europeans, it does not mean that today its European.It's like saying that the L,Q and other ydna's in Sweden in 2000 years will be considered european...

[blondbeast]

Its the truth,when i look in the mirror often i expect my reflection to talk back in german.



https://68.media.tumblr.com/faf5d4752bff051cabf047aa59cff932/tumblr_inline_obddivLYdW1qderj8_500.gif

[Kelmendasi]

Its the truth,when i look in the mirror often i expect my reflection to talk back in german.



All J1 is arab.Just because it supposedly lived in Europe for a few thousand years and mixed with europeans, it does not mean that today its European.It's like saying that the L,Q and other ydna's in Sweden in 2000 years will be considered european...
You really are a weird cioban Gothmark, J1 predates Semites but whatever floats your boat my Gothic cioban

[Pahli]

You really are a weird cioban Gothmark, J1 predates Semites but whatever floats your boat my Gothic cioban

And it does, I have J1 too and its most likely over 10000 years old, I'm a native Zagrosian farmer :laugh:

[Babak]

If J1 is arab, then Ev-13 is african rofl

[Kelmendasi]

And it does, I have J1 too and its most likely over 10000 years old, I'm a native Zagrosian farmer :laugh:
Yh probably lol. Iirc 3 Scytho-Sarmatian samples were found to be J1 so maybe they helped distribute it as well

[Lollipop]

Yh probably lol. Iirc 3 Scytho-Sarmatian samples were found to be J1 so maybe they helped distribute it as well

Scythians got conquered ,the samples you see on the internet are mostly mongols ,true scythians were blonde r1a people ,and because albanians are very low in r1a the j1 is not from scythians.

[Kelmendasi]

Scythians got conquered ,the samples you see on the internet are mostly mongols ,true scythians were blonde r1a people ,and because albanians are very low in r1a the j1 is not from scythians.
Blond like you ey Gothmark, of course they were Mongols because you say so. Low in R1a but R1a can be found. Btw you ever planning on doing a Ydna or any other type of genetic test?

[Philip Latinowitz]

J2a, I guess I'm Roman descendant or something.

[de Burgh II]

I'm a R1ethelite; R1b-U106 (+L48).

https://i.giphy.com/media/xKy2w6LehxxHa/giphy.webp

[Rethel]

I'm Roman descendant or something.

Why it always has to be a Roman, a knight, a warrior aso... did
really in the past exist one kind of people? No shephards, slaves,
bakers, gentiles (lat.) aso... aso...

[Philip Latinowitz]

Why it always has to be a Roman, a knight, a warrior aso... did
really in the past exist one kind of people? No shephards, slaves,
bakers, gentiles (lat.) aso... aso...

Balkanites usually have J2b, my branch is more Greco-Roman, but i can't know about exact origins yet

[Rethel]

Bump.

Is here someone who did not yet vote?

[Stears]

Somebody should change my vote, because I am not R1b.

[Maintenance]

Somebody should change my vote, because I am not R1b.

Why did you vote r1b then?

[Stears]

Why did you vote r1b then?

Why do you ask such stupid question ?

Because I was sure I am R1b (because of my cousin). But I'm not.

[Ülev]

I am not R1b either, I played
(and I am happy that I am not R1 generally)

[Maintenance]

Why do you ask such stupid question ?

Because I was sure I am R1b (because of my cousin). But I'm not.

Thats not a stupid question, its stupid to vote when you didnt know or have done the test.

[Stears]

Thats not a stupid question, its stupid to vote when you didnt know or have done the test.

The relative who tested, has same surname like me, and he is my father's cousin.

[Maintenance]

The relative who tested, has same surname like me, and he is my father's cousin.

Maybe do some research instead of making a fool of yourself.

[Stears]

Maybe do some research instead of making a fool of yourself.

Fuck off monkey.

YOu are envy because I don't have any eastern or MENA haplogroups in my family, unlike you.

[Stears]

User : Maintenance is probably negroid E1b :))))))))

[Maintenance]

Nice mature comeback, youre kinda uneducated and stupid tbh.

[Stears]

Nice mature comeback, youre kinda uneducated and stupid tbh.

Stop following me around butthurt idiot.

You are very boring and annoying.

[Maintenance]

Stop following me around butthurt idiot.

You are very boring and annoying.

I dont follow you, why would i torture myself by following an uneducated moron whos english is by far the worst on this forum.

[Stears]

I dont follow you, why would i torture myself by following an uneducated moron whos english is by far the worst on this forum.

Says the guy, who only finished vocational high school.
You were trolling my thread too.


Stop bother me.