Iranians are genetically closer to...

[Pecheneg]

Iranians
http://i48.tinypic.com/34q8bvm.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/j64hmt.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/34sgdhc.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/20as8t0.png

[Demhat]

Iranians

http://i47.tinypic.com/20as8t0.png


Look like they are Afghans(Pashtuns).

The other are not representative and Cherry picked. Many Soldiers in the Iranian national guard are payed foreigners too. For example there are Basijis which are Lebanese shia fighters.

[Pecheneg]

Iraqi
http://i50.tinypic.com/1ik30h.jpg



Russians
http://i48.tinypic.com/35arpe0.jpg

[gregorius]

You probably know it very well that they look more like arabs than Russians,
But if i had to choose they look more like Turks than both of them

[Su]

You probably know it very well that they look more like arabs than Russians,
But if i had to choose they look more like Turks than both of them

And if I had to choose, then I would clearly confirm they rather look Iraqis as well as Armenian :wink

[gregorius]

And if I had to choose, then I would clearly confirm they rather look Iraqis as well as Armenian :wink

Believe what you want to believe

[ChildOfTheJin]

Not good photos

[ChildOfTheJin]

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac178/aceofbase/1150628131e3238ehdh8qi0.jpg

http://u.goal.com/148000/148000hp2.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8LvYtAby5z0/TBDMTb_5kCI/AAAAAAAACZo/8h_yBQ-PCwo/s400/Italy1.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01422/voting_iran_1422284c.jpg

http://u.goal.com/120800/120816hp2.jpg

[Prince Carlo]

Turks and Iranians are quite close to each other.

[Arap Kadri]

Turks and Iranians are quite close to each other.

Turkic clan Ashina were Iranic elite who married Mongoloid Turkic women and were Turkified themself. That is the source of Y-DNA R1a and J2 among Turkics.

According to Turkologists Peter Golden and András Róna-Tas, the term Turk is ultimately rooted in the East Iranian Saka language:


“ "[Turk] is of East Iranian, most probably Saka, origin, and is the name of a ruling tribe whose leading clan Ashina conquered the Turks, reorganized them, but itself became rapidly Turkified".

Even the term Turan refers to a Iranic tribe of Avestan age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan.

So early Turks are a product of Iranian fathers and Turkic mothers while modern Turks are mostly some delusional Anatolians with some minor Irano-Turkic input.

It is quite sad seeing them hating eachother.

[Pecheneg]

You probably know it very well that they look more like arabs than Russians,
But if i had to choose they look more like Turks than both of them

armenian being armenian as always.




Not good photos
post crowd photos then. like this.
http://i48.tinypic.com/34q8bvm.jpg





http://i48.tinypic.com/6zver6.jpg




average iranian, iraqi, russian faces
http://i48.tinypic.com/swefbd.jpg

[ChildOfTheJin]

Turkic clan Ashina were Iranic elite who married Mongoloid Turkic women and were Turkified themself. That is the source of Y-DNA R1a and J2 among Turkics.

According to Turkologists Peter Golden and András Róna-Tas, the term Turk is ultimately rooted in the East Iranian Saka language:


“ "[Turk] is of East Iranian, most probably Saka, origin, and is the name of a ruling tribe whose leading clan Ashina conquered the Turks, reorganized them, but itself became rapidly Turkified".

Even the term Turan refers to a Iranic tribe of Avestan age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan.

So early Turks are a product of Iranian fathers and Turkic mothers while modern Turks are mostly some delusional Anatolians with some minor Irano-Turkic input.

It is quite sad seeing them hating eachother.

I heard of this too but I never believed it. I guess it is true

[Pecheneg]

Turkic clan Ashina were Iranic elite who married Mongoloid Turkic women and were Turkified themself. That is the source of Y-DNA R1a and J2 among Turkics.

According to Turkologists Peter Golden and András Róna-Tas, the term Turk is ultimately rooted in the East Iranian Saka language:


“ "[Turk] is of East Iranian, most probably Saka, origin, and is the name of a ruling tribe whose leading clan Ashina conquered the Turks, reorganized them, but itself became rapidly Turkified".

Even the term Turan refers to a Iranic tribe of Avestan age.


It is quite sad seeing them hating eachother.

now i'm 100% sure you are Tannis. :bowlol:
a fucking iranian butthurt who lied about his origin and created many sockpuppet accounts to bitch about Turks. ;)

[Su]

now i'm 100% sure you are Tannis.

Kalb kalbe karsidir derler, aynisi bende yazacaktim :D

[Arap Kadri]

I heard of this too but I never believed it. I guess it is true

Ofcourse it is truth. Food for thought.

The fall and sack of Derbent was described in detail by the Armenian historian Movses Kagankatvatsi, thought to have been an eyewitness to the event:



“ Like waves in the sea, the Turks fell on the town of Chora (Derbent) and destroyed it completely. Seeing the terrible threat posed by this vile, ugly horde of attackers, with their slanting and lidless eyes, and their flowing hair like that of women, the inhabitants were seized by terror. Especially terrifying were the archers, who were skillful and powerful, and rained arrows down like hail then, like savage wolves, shamelessly threw themselves on the people and mercilessly cut them down in the streets and squares of the town. They did not even take pity on the children who hugged their slaughtered mothers, but sucked the children's blood like milk.


Kalb kalbe karsidir derler, aynisi bende yazacaktim :D

Yok be canim. Ben Tannis Mannis degilim. Bu Pecheneg cok gurultulu bir cocuk.

[ChildOfTheJin]

now i'm 100% sure you are Tannis.

No actually, what he says is true. In the Avesta, there is a Eastern Iranian people called "Turan"

Check it out yourself.

[Su]

Yok be canim. Ben Tannis Mannis degilim. Bu Pecheneg cok gurultulu bir cocuk.
Ah bak sen, demek Turkcede biliyorsun ha, nerden ogrendin, hani Mardin'de dogdun ama USA da buyudun annen ve babanda normal Arap, yoksa?

[Arap Kadri]

now i'm 100% sure you are Tannis. :bowlol:
a fucking iranian butthurt who lied about his origin and created many sockpuppet accounts to bitch about Turks. ;)

I am not Tannis you big crybaby. Bitching about Arabs is nice but when your nation comes in consideration you transform yourself into a noisy street kid. I bet my money while typing at the keyboard you beat your chest and foam like gorilla. :picard1:

[Hurrem sultana]

lol this arap dude is some old member of apricity 100% :D maybe that kurd becuase he seems to troll turks most :D

[ChildOfTheJin]

lol this arap dude is some old member of apricity 100% :D maybe that kurd becuase he seems to troll turks most :D

?

No not really, especially when he shows some sources.

[Mortimer]

i think they are closer to turks. they are about as pale as your average southeastern anatolian and kurd with turkish passport. they are less White then turks, but closer to turks then to Germans. Onur, SometimesYes, Peceneg and Ashinan look Whiter then your average Iranid

edit: lol mistook it for the other iranians closer to turks or Germans thread. closer to iraquis of course

[Arap Kadri]

Ah bak sen, demek Turkcede biliyorsun ha, nerden ogrendin, hani Mardin'de dogdun ama USA da buyudun annen ve babanda normal Arap, yoksa?

Evet, Turkce biliyorum ama biraz. Annen ve babanda Türkiyeden gelen, elbette Turkcede biraz biliyorum.

[Pecheneg]

I am not Tannis you big crybaby. Bitching about Arabs is nice but when your nation comes in consideration you transform yourself into a noisy street kid.

Stfu tannis, whole forum is bitching about Turks since beginning.



I bet my money while typing at the keyboard you beat your chest and foam like gorilla. :picard1: thats why you get butthurt when you see this thread.
:thumb001: "arab from southern Turkey" lol fucking liar.

[Arap Kadri]

Stfu tannis, whole forum is bitching about Turks since beginning.

thats why you get butthurt when you see this thread.
:thumb001: "arab from southern Turkey" lol fucking liar.

Alright, Keyboard Warrior. You seem to be persistent. Your state has probably requited you to defend them from forum chit chats. Happy win.:D:picard1:

[MfA_]

lol this arap dude is some old member of apricity 100% :D maybe that kurd becuase he seems to troll turks most :D

whatever he/she is, a very sad case indeed

[Pecheneg]

Alright, Keyboard Warrior. You seem to be persistent. Your state has probably requited you to defend them from forum chit chats. Happy win.:D:picard1:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?u=5927
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?u=6732
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/member.php?u=6245

:rolleyes:

[ChildOfTheJin]

You guys have a very weird logic, just because he shows some sources, he is a troll?

[Arap Kadri]

You guys have a very weird logic, just because he shows some sources, he is a troll?

I played around with him a bit since he was obviously butthurt from my thread lol. I am leaving him alone since he will start crying loud.:D

P.S Pecheneg stop sending me PMs you butthurt weirdo.:picard1:

Alright, enough dealing with kids/trolls/ Arabophobes. I'll post something serious and mature.

[Pecheneg]

P.S Pecheneg stop sending me PMs you butthurt weirdo.:picard1:
a faggot who spends his years bitching about Turks on internet and yet he calls me butthurt. :laugh2:

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

lol this arap dude is some old member of apricity 100% :D maybe that kurd becuase he seems to troll turks most :D

obviously
He jumped into my profile as soon as he registered to TA and when i checked he was still unavaliable(very fresh account) ..so he is someone from forum knows who is who here

trololol :bored:

[Su]

obviously
He jumped into my profile as soon as he registered to TA and when i checked he was still unavaliable(very fresh account) ..so he is someone from forum knows who is who here

trololol :bored:

And suddenly Erklinhan or whatever his nick name was (he's kurdish, at least he wrote it on his profile) chimped in, although erklinhan supposed to be another brand new member who wrote like 3-4 posts and he happen to be appear today, is this a very very very big coincidence ? :icon_ask:

[Mraz]

Neither, they are Persian.

[arcticwolf]

Not the Russians for sure.

[SKYNET]

Iranians are genetically closer to...



just forget the first option of the poll, they're too dark to be russians

[Anatolian Eagle]

Turkic clan Ashina were Iranic elite who married Mongoloid Turkic women and were Turkified themself. That is the source of Y-DNA R1a and J2 among Turkics.

According to Turkologists Peter Golden and András Róna-Tas, the term Turk is ultimately rooted in the East Iranian Saka language:


“ "[Turk] is of East Iranian, most probably Saka, origin, and is the name of a ruling tribe whose leading clan Ashina conquered the Turks, reorganized them, but itself became rapidly Turkified".

Even the term Turan refers to a Iranic tribe of Avestan age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan.

So early Turks are a product of Iranian fathers and Turkic mothers while modern Turks are mostly some delusional Anatolians with some minor Irano-Turkic input.

It is quite sad seeing them hating eachother.

Hi Tannis the Irano-Paki-Arab-Afghan aka the "Advanced European"

It's really unprofessional and dumb of you, that you can be arsed to change accounts and post same shit under different masks yet don't even change one word from the same stuff posted by only yourself. You must be really dumb one if you think you're fooling someone else.

Fail sockpuppet is fail.

Regards

[Damião de Góis]

According to this, they are closest to kurds and then to turks and caucasians.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TR8ox_MI6qI/AAAAAAAADIE/zEcyBpR0U8s/s1600/MDS1600.png

[Pecheneg]

Hi Tannis the Irano-Paki-Arab-Afghan aka the "Advanced European"

It's really unprofessional and dumb of you, that you can be arsed to change accounts and post same shit under different masks yet don't even change one word from the same stuff posted by only yourself. You must be really dumb one if you think you're fooling someone else.

Fail sockpuppet is fail.

Regards
lol exactly, it took me only 2 minutes to realize that this dumb is Tannis.


Comparison of Tannis, Dariush, Arap Kadri


Same insulting words...what a fucking dumb :yawnee20:

I am not Tannis you big crybaby.

Don't feed that crybaby.


P.S This was my last reply to you Turanoid keyboard warriors. You with your theories have proven that you are just sad idiots.

Alright, Keyboard Warrior. You seem to be persistent. Your state has probably requited you to defend them from forum chit chats. Happy win.:D:picard1:


http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1094737&postcount=179
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1094622&postcount=152



Same bullshit :nod
v
v

Tannis and Arap Kadri


^That is very interesting actually, because the founders of the earliest Turkic entity, the Gokturks, we're possibly an Iranian clan called the "Ashina".

Peter B. Golden points out that there is the possibility that the leaders of the Göktürk Empire, the Ashina, were themselves originally an Indo-European-speaking (possibly Iranian) clan who later adopted Turkic, but inherited their original Indo-European titles.[54] German Turkologist W.-E. Scharlipp writes that many central terms are Iranian in origin, including almost all titles.[55]



Turkic clan Ashina were Iranic elite who married Mongoloid Turkic women and were Turkified themself. That is the source of Y-DNA R1a and J2 among Turkics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan.




He is not only amateur but also idiot as fuck. :D
What kind of arab(!) starts to bark when he sees a thread about iranians? :rolleyes:

tannis you are really a sad case.



good old days... from being european (anglo-french etc) to being iranian. :laugh:


I am paternally Anglo-French descent but maternally i am from mixed Hungaro-Uzbek origin. My parents met in Britain during the early 90's during their studies.:)

[archangel]

pakistanis in south,kurds in west mostly, many appear south asian looking imho

[Anatolian Eagle]

lol exactly, it took me only 2 minutes to realize that this dumb is Tannis.


Comparison of Tannis, Dariush, Arap Kadri


Same insulting words...what a fucking dumb :yawnee20:






http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1094737&postcount=179
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1094622&postcount=152



Same bullshit :nod
v
v

Tannis and Arap Kadri








He is not only amateur but also idiot as fuck. :D
What kind of arab(!) starts to bark when he sees a thread about iranians? :rolleyes:

tannis you are really a sad case.

Not to mention the quote from "Turkologists" was also being used as signature by Tannis. Seems like this randomly picked quote is also famous amongst Arabs somehow :rofl:

[Cannabis Sativa]

Neither, they're more close to Pakistani and Balooch entities rather than Iraqis.

[Azalea]

Obvious Tannis is obvious.

[ChildOfTheJin]

So what if he/she is Tannis? (S)he posts reliable sources and that is good enough for me.

[Partizan]

If it wouldn't be Tannis/Dariush aka Poorsian insider and if I would take Kerds like Serkıldon serious, I would prove that either Medes were not "Iranic" at all, they were a bunch of steppe people who were later Iranicised therefore their "Avesta" can not prove "Iranicness" of anything. Or either I would mention that, in Shahname, "Turan" is described as enemy of "Iran" :bored:

Tannis, seriously get a life.

I had an Arab gf, I've visited two Arab countries, I know many Arabic speaking Turkish citizens from Mersin, Hatay and Adana who are exactly loyal Kemalists, so if even you can troll all Turks against Arabs, Partizan bunu yutmaz :)

[Siberian Cold Breeze]

(S)he

Nothing wrong with him/her ,even her/his friends believes that ,apart from blabbering she/he writes , his/her gender also might be wrong, is that right?


very trustworthy source for everyone..

[ChildOfTheJin]

they were a bunch of steppe people who were later Iranicised therefore their "Avesta" can not prove "Iranicness" of anything.

They were a bunch of steppe people, that's where Iranic people came from. Retard


Avesta" can not prove "Iranicness" of anything. Or either I would mention that, in Shahname, "Turan" is described as enemy of "Iran"

What is older, Avesta or Shahname? :rolleyes:


Tannis, seriously get a life.

Partizan, seriously go do some research, you keep on coming up with the same bull shit which I have proven you wrong every time.

[ChildOfTheJin]

Nothing wrong with him/her ,even her/his friends believes that ,apart from blabbering she/he writes , his/her gender also might be wrong, is that right?


very trustworthy source for everyone..

Yes of course :picard1:

[Englisc]

Iraqis, easily.

[Anusiya]

Iran and Iraq used to be integral once. But Iranians have more indoeuropean appearance. Iraqis are look more Semitic.

[Partizan]

They were a bunch of steppe people, that's where Iranic people came from. Retard

In your dreams. Stop stealing Turkic/Turanian history, go and proud with Dravidian Harappa civilisation instead. It is rather related more to you :rolleyes:

From Fred Hamori:
http://users.cwnet.com/millenia/medescyth.html


It is a commonly held belief, based on no reliable proof, that the Medes were Iranians simply because the Iranians generally got along with them well and together founded a new empire. Such things can happen without being related. Yet even some of the Persian experts like Richard Fry claim that at best some of the Mede ethnic elements were Iranians, but many were not. Herodotus also separates the Persians as "artai" and the Medes as "aryan". So they were not the same. The Persians gained their empire by means of a palace coup over their Mede rulers and even the so called first Persian royal house "achamenian" were of Mede descent, with Mede names.



From Herodotus:

1. The "Busae" group supposed to derive from the Persian term "buza" which means the aboriginals < not Iranians>. Was this based on an originally Iranian term or their own name is not known. I cannot help thinking there may be a relation to the Scythian/Turk "pasi-ani" which in Turkic became "petchegen ", which in Hungarian is Bese-nyö. Their ethnic name may derive from what in Parthian is "basyo" meaning sea hawk, much like Hungarian "bese" sea hawk. They gave the name Bosnia its name. The Besenyö came west along with the Magyars, whom they supposedly attacked according to mistaken Greek reports, but whom they also aided and became allied with soon afterwards. Many settling in old Hungarian territories, which at times included much of Bosnia and Chroatia. Generally the Pasiani of early Iranian history and the Petchegens are treated separately but sure seem to be of the same name.


5. The fifth group were the "Budii" found also amongst the Black Sea Scythians as Budi-ni as well as the eastern Saka. Budha was of the tribe "Budha"., which was also eastern Scythian "sakiya". The name was possibly related to BUDIN =people in turkic/mongol. Perhaps another meaning of this is related to Mongol Bahadur, Batur =brave, knight. Hungarian and ancient Turkic batur=brave. The root word may be the recently discussed terms BAD/BAT =beat, break, wreck, etc in Sumerian. The general meaning given for Budha however is "enlightenment".


‘There can be no doubt that the language was that of the pastoral tribes who inhabited the Persian Empire; and whether known by the appellations of Dahae, Sakae, Mardi, or any others, they were fundamentally the same people and spoke similar languages, which probably were allied to the language of Scythia Proper; that is to say, the Scythia of Herodotus, the extreme east of Europe and adjoining parts of Asia, where that branch of the Tatar languages (i.e Türkic), especially called Ugrian, is still spoken by different tribes.” He added that, according to his reading that these people called themselves Afarti or Avarti which could also have been pronounced as Avar or Abar. As a possibility he pointed out those Avars who dwelt on the Volga in the 6th century AD and later moved to the territory of today’s Hungary.’ The study of Norris was reviewed and analyzed by Antal Csengery a few years later, in an article titled: “A Scythak nemzetisege” (The Ethnic Affiliation of the Scythians) in the Journal Budapesti Szemle, 6, 243-263 (Budapest Review). Excerpts from the aforementioned article, discussing the correspondence of Scythian and Hungarian words determined by Norris are given in the Appendix (Csengery Antal 1859). (Érdy 48)


In conclusion it is clear that Hincks, Rawlinson and Norris uniformly identified the 2nd language of the rock inscriptions to be a Scythian language related to the Ural-Altaic languages.

Lenormant (1871) also wrote a major study on the monarchy of the Medes, their origin and their kings, based on Assyrian documents published in Series 1 of the - “Lettres Assyriologiques.” Later, A.H. Sayce took sides in the Median issue, essentially supporting Lenormants opinion. Sayce pointed out that the majority of the inhabitants of Media, the common people, were Turanians (Ural-Altaic), being in a somewhat distant relationship with the ancient Sumerians, but in a closer affiliation on the one hand with the inhabitants of Elam and on the other with the modern Turanian (Ural-Altaic) peoples, as proved by their agglutinative language in the 2nd position of the inscriptions. Therefore the term “Elamite” correctly designates their language, while the word “Median” could pertain either to some tribes who settled among them, or to a ruling stratum (Sayce 1847).

Further analysis of this language was conducted by Jules Oppert. He discussed it in several books and lectures over a period of 30 years. His labors, in part, were focused on an unambiguous clarification of the affiliation of the 2nd language of the Achaemenian inscriptions. Summarizing, systematizing and supplementing the earlier results, Oppert pointed out that the 2nd language is not just simply Turanian (Ural-Altaic) Scythic, but that it was specifically the tongue spoken by the Medes of the Persian Empire. According to his explanation, the Persian kings put their own language in the 1st position. On the other hand, the 3rd position is occupied by the Semitic language of conquered Assyria (612 BC).

In conclusion, Kerds who bullshit about early Turkics and support crackpot theories about first Turkics being Iranian, they should check about "who they are claiming".

Persians, who write under Arab and Hungaro-Uzbek+Anglo-French name should also learn that, Turkics didn't imitate Iranic history, it is other way around ;)


What is older, Avesta or Shahname? :rolleyes:

No matter, both tell the same story. There is IRAN vs. TURAN, in both, you smartass :picard1:


Partizan, seriously go do some research, you keep on coming up with the same bull shit which I have proven you wrong every time.

You've never proven me wrong, especially you couldn't use solid arguments about Scythian and Mede issues.

[Englisc]

How can Iranic peoples be Turkic?

Turks are of Central Asian culture, while Iranians speak Indo-Aryan, a branch of IE.

[ChildOfTheJin]

In your dreams. Stop stealing Turkic/Turanian history, go and proud with Dravidian Harappa civilisation instead. It is rather related more to you

Lol? I just said that the Medes did come from the Steppe, which you said as well, and now you are saying that they didn't? Lol, retard.


Yet even some of the Persian experts like Richard Fry claim that at best some of the Mede ethnic elements were Iranians, but many were not.


Many were not, what were they then?


Herodotus also separates the Persians as "artai" and the Medes as "aryan". So they were not the same.

Better for me



The Persians gained their empire by means of a palace coup over their Mede rulers and even the so called first Persian royal house "achamenian" were of Mede descent, with Mede names.

And what are you trying to get across by pointing this out?


I cannot help thinking there may be a relation to the Scythian/Turk "pasi-ani" which in Turkic became "petchegen ", which in Hungarian is Bese-nyö. Their ethnic name may derive from what in Parthian is "basyo" meaning sea hawk, much like Hungarian "bese" sea hawk.

You are quoting the Parthian language as a source? Windfuhr identified Kurdish dialects as Parthian, albeit with a Median substratum. Kurdish is no where near Turkic.


The fifth group were the "Budii" found also amongst the Black Sea Scythians as Budi-ni as well as the eastern Saka. Budha was of the tribe "Budha"., which was also eastern Scythian "sakiya". The name was possibly related to BUDIN =people in turkic/mongol. Perhaps another meaning of this is related to Mongol Bahadur, Batur =brave, knight. Hungarian and ancient Turkic batur=brave. The root word may be the recently discussed terms BAD/BAT =beat, break, wreck, etc in Sumerian. The general meaning given for Budha however is "enlightenment".

Tell him to improve his grammer because this doesn't make any sence at all.


‘There can be no doubt that the language was that of the pastoral tribes who inhabited the Persian Empire; and whether known by the appellations of Dahae, Sakae, Mardi, or any others, they were fundamentally the same people and spoke similar languages, which probably were allied to the language of Scythia Proper; that is to say, the Scythia of Herodotus, the extreme east of Europe and adjoining parts of Asia, where that branch of the Tatar languages (i.e Türkic), especially called Ugrian, is still spoken by different tribes.” He added that, according to his reading that these people called themselves Afarti or Avarti which could also have been pronounced as Avar or Abar. As a possibility he pointed out those Avars who dwelt on the Volga in the 6th century AD and later moved to the territory of today’s Hungary.’

This doesn't prove anything?


In conclusion it is clear that Hincks, Rawlinson and Norris uniformly identified the 2nd language of the rock inscriptions to be a Scythian language related to the Ural-Altaic languages.


It says "2nd language of the rock inscriptions to be a Scythian language " which means there are more Scythian languages. Find out what the other ones are.


Sayce pointed out that the majority of the inhabitants of Media, the common people, were Turanians (Ural-Altaic), being in a somewhat distant relationship with the ancient Sumerians, but in a closer affiliation on the one hand with the inhabitants of Elam and on the other with the modern Turanian (Ural-Altaic) peoples, as proved by their agglutinative language in the 2nd position of the inscriptions. Therefore the term “Elamite” correctly designates their language, while the word “Median” could pertain either to some tribes who settled among them, or to a ruling stratum

How many times do I have to tell you? Go read the Avesta!


Oppert pointed out that the 2nd language is not just simply Turanian (Ural-Altaic) Scythic, but that it was specifically the tongue spoken by the Medes of the Persian Empire

Erm no not really, check out the Median language.


In conclusion, Kerds who bullshit about early Turkics and support crackpot theories about first Turkics being Iranian, they should check about "who they are claiming".

Persians, who write under Arab and Hungaro-Uzbek+Anglo-French name should also learn that, Turkics didn't imitate Iranic history, it is other way around

The problem is, your source was made by a man who just uses linguistics and nothing else as a source. That is no where near enough and that is why, as you can see, im not taking this very seriously.


No matter, both tell the same story. There is IRAN vs. TURAN, in both, you smartass

Ehh no not the same story. :picard1:


You've never proven me wrong, especially you couldn't use solid arguments about Scythian and Mede issues.

Neither could you.

Now it is my turn. Since you are using ONE source, I will post many.

You are using linguistics, I will use this too, it is written by a bunch of people, too many for me to name and too many quotes, check it out yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_language#cite_note-2
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-ancient-history/median-empire-map.html
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/median/median.php
http://translation.babylon.com/english/Median%20language/
http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Languages/iranian_languages.htm
http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/armenia-iv
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=21&ved=0CDAQFjAAOBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpages.rediff.com%2Fmedian-language%2F460265&ei=aHrEUIzoAue70QXX1IHADA&usg=AFQjCNEkA1FPOF8yk9rOzf6zsdM0U1iKHQ&sig2=by40bseAmsF5v2scuS2wKA
http://pages.rediff.com/median-language/460265
http://fouman.com/Y/English_Persian_History_Glossary-Old%20Persian%20language.htm
http://indo-european.eu/wiki/index.php/Iranian_languages

And here are some examples of Median words:


*čiθra-: "origin".[45] The word appears in *čiθrabṛzana- (med.) "exalting his linage", *čiθramiθra- (med.) "having mithraic origin", *čiθraspāta- (med.) "having a brilliant army", etc.[46]
Farnah: Divine glory; (Avestan: khvarənah)
Paridaiza: Paradise, (as in Pardis پردیس)
Spaka- : The word is Median and means "dog".[47] Herodotus identifies "Spaka-" (Gk. "σπάχα" - female dog) as Median rather than Persian.[48] The word is still used in modern Iranian languages including Talyshi.
vazṛka-: "great" (as Modern Persian bozorg)[44]
vispa-: "all".[49] (as in Avestan). The component appears in such words as vispafryā (Med. fem.) "dear to all", vispatarva- (med.) "vanquishing all", vispavada- (med. -op.) "leader of all", etc.[50]
Xshayathiya (royal, royalty): This Median word (∗xšaθra-pā-) is an example of words whose Greek form (known as romanized "satrap" from Gk. "satrápēs - σατράπης") mirrors, as opposed to the tradition[N 3], a Median rather than an Old Persian form of an Old Iranian word.[51]
zūra-: "evil" and zūrakara-: "evil-doer".[44]

The Origin of the Pre-Imperial Iranian Peoples By Dr Oric Basirov: http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Religions/iranian/Zarathushtrian/Oric.Basirov/origin_of_the_iranians.htm


it didn't take very long for one group of these settled people, the Medes, to form the first of the four Iranian empires, and less than 500 years for the Persians, to become the absolute masters of the known world; their nomadic ancestors, however, continued to roam the steppes, unopposed, for a very long time; it was not until the 5th century A.D. that the invading Turkic tribes pushed them out of their homelands into central Europe and further west; by then, of course, vast numbers of them had merged with eastern Europeans to form the core of the modern Slavs

This also proves that there is a genetic relation between the Slavs and the Kurds.

And now about the Scythians:


This is by far the most important, and enduring designation given by the classical sources to the nomadic Iranians of the steppes; the name refers to the entire non-sedentary Iranians, both in the West, and in the East (the Saka). Greek records place them in southern Russia in the 8th century B.C., however, recent archaeological evidence testifies that they, Cimmerians, and other Steppe Iranians may have been there far earlier. Greek geographers of the 4th century B.C. also credit the Scythians with inhabiting the largest part of the known world


The Scythians were known by the Achaemenians, as SAKA and SKUDRA, by the Greeks, SKغTHIA (سê?èéل), by the Romans, SCYTHIAE (pron. SKITYAI), which has given us the English word SCYTHIAN

Now you post something that does not involve linguistics :)

[Demhat]

Iranians are closer to Iraqi Arabs than Russians since Iraqi Arabs are for 60-70% genetically of Iranic and 40-30% Arabian Peninsula origin. However they are genetically closer to your average Turks than Iraqi Arabs as we can see from genetic maps.

[Anusiya]

The Scythians were known by the Achaemenians, as SAKA and SKUDRA, by the Greeks, SKغTHIA (سê?èéل), by the Romans, SCYTHIAE (pron. SKITYAI), which has given us the English word SCYTHIAN

Where have you taken this from? This is pure bullshit. The Achaemenids used to call northern Greek mainland Skudra.

[Sophie]

Obviously Iraqis.

[ChildOfTheJin]

Where have you taken this from? This is pure bullshit. The Achaemenids used to call northern Greek mainland Skudra.

Dr Oriv Basirov