If Indian/Paki didn't had South India admixture, would they look Persian, Iranic?

[ButlerKing]

South Asian descent of Paki, Indian, Rohingya, Sri Lankan, Bengali are all dark skinned

Pakistani/North Indian have large portion of Iranic/West Asian component but also signficant 30-50% of South Indian admixture but many of them look more like middle easterners.


Take a look at the genetics of Sindhi. What makes modern South Asian people distinct are their South Indian admixture otherwise today they look just like middle easterner or North Caucasus




http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3720/behar2010k10.png



The Sindhi have 55-60% West Asian Iranic, 35-38% South Indian admixture.

And many Sindhi people do look more Middle easterner

http://www.beyondsindh.com/wp-content/uploads/karishma-d-1-web.jpg
http://static0.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/l_crop_medium/1600-0/photos/1688870.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Actually the highest west Asian DNA are found in Adydhei and North Caucasian people which makes them a better candidate of what unmixed South Asian look like not like Iranians who have nearly DNA components from SouthWest Asian which is more closer tom Kurds, Arabic components.


http://www.circassianworld.com/new/images/stories/Articles/Circassian_Girl_Israel.jpg
http://s15.postimg.org/piwmcj5tn/Circassiangirl4.jpg

[Swearengen]

Probably they would still all look ugly since they marry their cousins and are all inbred.

[Mortimer]

so you say those light eyed, light haired People are typical of iranians?

http://www.bz-berlin.de/multimedia/archive/00083/Iran_neu2_83104a.jpg
http://mebb.de/notes/wp-content/uploads/070131_haar.jpg
http://www.pi-news.net/wp/uploads/2009/06/ahmad_fingerabdruck.jpg

[Swearengen]

Sindhi appear to be about 40% south indian. What % are punjabi/kashmiris.

according to this genetic distance map, punjabis, etc. and most north indians in general are much more south indians (tamil) than sindhis. Actually, punjabis are closer to tamil than they are to Sindhis.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6684/60550356.jpg

[ButlerKing]

North Indian more Tamil than Sindhis?

[Swearengen]

if you look at the genetic distance map, punjabis and other north indians cluster closer to tamils than to sindhis. Sindhis appear to be an anomaly.

[Swearengen]

From that map, punjabis are probably around 75% south asian.

[ButlerKing]

A almost pure Iranic South Asian

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-um97zPBGAg0/UG6zGWcugQI/AAAAAAAAAQ0/5mb6PVoAWGA/s1600/hrithik_roshan_wallpaper2.jpeg

[Methusalem]

http://s15.postimg.org/piwmcj5tn/Circassiangirl4.jpg

This female has a typical low orientalid forehead.

[Peikko]

Lol ButlerKing is trying to whitewash Iranians.

[Fire Haired]

yes they would. I live in a town where there are over 250,000 Muslims. a few blocks from my house is one of the biggest Pakistani Indian community in america. I have also seen Iraqi's, Assyrians, Iranians, Turkish/Anatolian, Syrians, Kurds Etc. I have noticed that Pakistani are much darker skinned some Assyrians, Iraqi's, and Kurds are literally white skinned. The south Asian admixture is deifntley the reason their skin is darker. If u look at Dravidens they have very little west asian admixture almost only south asia and look how dark they are their skin is almost black.

[blogen]

And many Sindhi people do look more Middle easterner

http://www.beyondsindh.com/wp-content/uploads/karishma-d-1-web.jpg

She is Europo-Mongoloid. The other topic is her place! (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?93555-Nepalese-Turanid-of-South-Asia-(-Y-DNA-mtDNA-Autosomal-DNA-Mongoloid-Caucasoid-))

[Shah-Jehan]

Second largest group in Pakistan are the Pashtuns who are an Iranic people...You are an idiot...

[Smeagol]

Many Pakistanis look like Iranians.

[Anthropologique]

yes they would. I live in a town where there are over 250,000 Muslims. a few blocks from my house is one of the biggest Pakistani Indian community in america. I have also seen Iraqi's, Assyrians, Iranians, Turkish/Anatolian, Syrians, Kurds Etc. I have noticed that Pakistani are much darker skinned some Assyrians, Iraqi's, and Kurds are literally white skinned. The south Asian admixture is deifntley the reason their skin is darker. If u look at Dravidens they have very little west asian admixture almost only south asia and look how dark they are their skin is almost black.

Holy F#@K, 250,000!?

[Fire Haired]

Holy F#@K, 250,000!?

That was two years ago there might be more now. But on the cenus they count them as white. So i am always surprised by what a high percentage of white people there are compared to what i have seen my whole live. I have had many muslim neighbors mainly from Pakistan my whole life. I have seen other mid eastern people and i can tell if someone is from Afghanistan or west of Afghanistan because their skin is much lighter. Not a surprise in globe13 test they have very little south asian while Pakistani have around 25-35% which easily can explain their dark skin because people over 60% south Asian the Dravidens are almost black skinned.

There are also Christian Assyrians some who have been here for a few generations and they totally adopt American culture. It is hard alot of times when i thought someone was a white american who maybe was a little tan they are Assyrians. Some Assyrians can be white skinned there was one in my school who was made fun of by Mexican kids they used to call him snow man because he was so white. I have seen some Kurds and some do have blue eyes and very pale skin definetly though because the proto Indo Iranian speakers were mainly light eyed (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?90089-Where-did-proto-Indo-Iranian-speakers-ancestry-orignate). On average even mid easterns from west of Pakistan are brown skinned but it is still common for them to be lightish brown skinned but basically they are dark skinned and white skin will pop up sometimes. If they act completely american they can defintley pass as white Americans unless they are in a group then u can tell difference because there are tannish. A Iraqi family i know said some of their relatives in Iraq have blonde hair they showed me the pictures it is true they said they have no knowledge of any European inter marriage. A Kurd from Iraq told me the same thing that blonde hair does exist but in iraq.

[Smeagol]

That was two years ago there might be more now. But on the cenus they count them as white. So i am always surprised by what a high percentage of white people there are compared to what i have seen my whole live. I have had many muslim neighbors mainly from Pakistan my whole life. I have seen other mid eastern people and i can tell if someone is from Afghanistan or west of Afghanistan because their skin is much lighter. Not a surprise in globe13 test they have very little south asian while Pakistani have around 25-35% which easily can explain their dark skin because people over 60% south Asian the Dravidens are almost black skinned.

There are also Christian Assyrians some who have been here for a few generations and they totally adopt American culture. It is hard alot of times when i thought someone was a white american who maybe was a little tan they are Assyrians. Some Assyrians can be white skinned there was one in my school who was made fun of by Mexican kids they used to call him snow man because he was so white. I have seen some Kurds and some do have blue eyes and very pale skin definetly though because the proto Indo Iranian speakers were mainly light eyed (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?90089-Where-did-proto-Indo-Iranian-speakers-ancestry-orignate). On average even mid easterns from west of Pakistan are brown skinned but it is still common for them to be lightish brown skinned but basically they are dark skinned and white skin will pop up sometimes. If they act completely american they can defintley pass as white Americans unless they are in a group then u can tell difference because there are tannish. A Iraqi family i know said some of their relatives in Iraq have blonde hair they showed me the pictures it is true they said they have no knowledge of any European inter marriage. A Kurd from Iraq told me the same thing that blonde hair does exist but in iraq.

The census does not count Pakis, and Indians as White.

[Philo]

I live in a town where there are over 250,000 Muslims.

May Allah have mercy on your soul :(

[Fire Haired]

The census does not count Pakis, and Indians as White.

it does Race and Ethnicity in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States).

[Smeagol]

it does Race and Ethnicity in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States).

Nope, these are the race options on the census.

"White. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as "White" or report entries such as Irish, German, Scottish, Italian, Near Easterner, Arab, or Polish.

"Black or African American. A person having origins in any of the Black racial groups of Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as 'Black, African Am.' or provide written entries such as Kenyan, Nigerian, or Haitian."
"
American Indian and Alaska Native. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North and South America (including Central America) and who maintain tribal affiliation or community attachment."

Asian. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam. It includes 'Asian Indian,' 'Chinese', 'Filipino', 'Korean', 'Japanese', 'Vietnamese', and 'Other Asian'."

Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, or other Pacific Islands. It includes people who indicate their race as 'Native Hawaiian', 'Guamanian or Chamorro', 'Samoan', and 'Other Pacific Islander'."

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Without south indians the rest of india would be white or anyway white-asian. Without indian and african slaves all of central asia would be white, so would most of middle east. Yes, arab type equals white, jew type equals white. It's the mixing with indians, africans and semetics where all the features westerners don't like as much come from. If you look back at any art you'll see actually that's how everything used to be, and not all that long ago.

[Fire Haired]

Without south indians the rest of india would be white or anyway white-asian. Without indian and african slaves all of central asia would be white, so would most of middle east. Yes, arab type equals white, jew type equals white. It's the mixing with indians, africans and semetics where all the features westerners don't like as much come from. If you look back at any art you'll see actually that's how everything used to be, and not all that long ago.

What evidence do u have ur just going off of assumptions. The south asians i get sick of mentioning aust dna but their unque look at globe13 (http://dodecad.blogspot.com/) INdia is their native land they have lived there for over 30,00 years probably over 50,000. starting 5,000ybp there was a huge migration of white people out of northern Russian Yamna culture and they spread Indo iranian languages and Y DNA R1a1a1b2 Z93. Y DNa spread by Indo Europeans (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?91971-Y-DNA-spread-by-Indo-Europeans-(R1a1a1-M417-R1b1a2a1-L51)-(R1b1a2a-L23-R1b1a1-M73-Etc-)) where did proto indo iranians ancestry orignate (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?90089-Where-did-proto-Indo-Iranian-speakers-ancestry-orignate). And they were the biggest people group in central asai there where pretty much 100% white people living from the black sea to western china and central Siberia from 5,000-1,600ybp. Some groups like Scythian's might be more familiar. Most people would think this is crazy but it is true in the bronze and iron age most of central Asia was completely white and they remains with DNA that can tell hair color and eye color show they looked most like north western Europeans they had mainly blonde hair like Finnish but a good amount of red hair probably over 3% like British. They are not the natives of central asia.

And about the mid east what u are saying makes no sense u need to look at DNA. Europeans are apart of the same family as mid easterns and north Africans. Actulley Afgahn are more related to Europeans than Arabs aust dna proves it. Europeans main ancestors would have migrated out of Caucus, Antolia, Iraq-Iran area and settled in Europe over 30,000ybp. Europeans are the ones that changed in skin color that is why North African and arabs look like Afghans even though Afgahns are more related to Europeans. The genes associated with European pale skin exist in mid easterns and north africans at almost the same rate, All European palenss fair hair and eyes and red hair all originated in the mid east (Origin of European palness (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?92883-Origin-of-European-Paleness(skin-hair-and-eye-color))) they became much much much much more popular in Europeans ancestors. There is more dark skinned osuth asian admicture in Pakistan but besides that in the mid east very very little to non. And there is some east african admicture in southern Arabia but that all. I am going all off globe13 aust dna.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

We know what the genes are for skin color, and we know where they come from. There's no "theory" here this is just fact. It was historical fact pretty much too, to anyone who isn't an afrocentrist, nationalist, or simply a complete moron and knew history well. But now we know the genes, we know where they came from, and we know it's true for sure. The skin genes are like permanent marker, they are multigenic and dominant so they don't wash out easy and just a little mixing makes for skin that's much darker.

I don't know why you have trouble with the idea it's not like I made it up. They don't call white people caucasian for nothing. All those J and G etc. people, and persians and iranians, are where white people come from in the first place. Mohammed was white, too, for that matter.