Turkish are not true Caucasoids nor true Turkic ( estimate central Asian admixture in Turks )

[ButlerKing]

I did research and was once again surprised by Turkish non-Caucasoid admixture in some samples. Mongoloid admixture can range from from 5 - 25% in Turkish people. I like to hear Turks explaining these results.


19 Turks from Behar et al. (2010)

http://i42.tinypic.com/i2ulwm.jpg

Finally, my K=15 analysis has revealed 7.9% "eastern" components in Turks. Given that the "Central Siberian" component is equidistant from Caucasoids and Mongoloids, this translates into about 7.2% East Eurasian admixture. Again, the slightly larger result can be accounted by the sampling of even greater Mongoloid diversity, from the previously unsampled Siberia.

Behar et al. (2010) Turks have 15.4% Central Asian admixture; if we add the 3 Dodecad Project Turks to the sample, this becomes 14.4%.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-q7pHFIHCgUs/TmU0dwR2rmI/AAAAAAAAAlU/-56YraPgjIE/s320/bat.png


Turkish people on average are only 5-8% Turkic.

[ButlerKing]

Samples are mostly from Northeast Turkey where the average Mongoloid is low, however samples from other parts of Turkey is 2-7 times larger.

http://www.abload.de/img/k137sj91.png

[rashka]

I think they (Turks) say that their average is about 5 - 10% mongoloid.

[ButlerKing]

I think they (Turks) say that their average is about 5 - 10% mongoloid.

That's what study shows. Accept the people from Aydin they are 11.6% Mongoloid on average and most of them are 12-15% Mongoloid.

It's more like this.

1/2 of them 2-10% Mongoloid
1/3 of them 10-15% Mongoloid
1/5 of them 16-20% Mongoloid

A few Turkish individual have 20-25% Mongoloid. ( possibly 1 out of 20 )

[Gospodine]

Both Turks and non-Turks alike severely exaggerate the East Asian/Siberian input in modern-day Turkey.

In the majority of Turkey it's below the double digits and only in certain isolated rural communities (Avshar Turkmen) which where host to the original Oghuz migrations in the 7th and 8th centuries does it reach anything above 15%.

That being said, Turks are a predominantly Near Eastern/West Asian population genetically. Not European and certainly not predominantly Mongoloid by any significant majority. People just need to stop with the fringe-theories regarding Turkish ethnogenesis as it's getting old.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Turkey_Y_chromosome%28in_20_haplogroups%29.png
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UOHFTxL-bOA/TQKOBi94S8I/AAAAAAAAAQM/53U_glW2Ivs/s1600/ADMIXTURE_10.png

[ButlerKing]

I doubt any modern Avshar Turkmen were original Turkmen, they most likely have assimilated many local anatolian people. Who's to say the didn't?


Gospodine, is not exaggerations, almost every study shows they have significance admixture. The chart you showed represent only the average result it doesn't show all samples.

Turkish people have 3.5 - 5% Asian Paternal Y-DNA to 6.99% to 8% Asian Maternal mtDNA but since it's spread by Mongoloid/Caucasoid hybrids that means much of the Caucasian Y-DNA and mtDNA in Turkish were already hybridsized with Mongoloid.


But mind you I do believe the Turkmen who invaded were not pure and were already like this

http://i46.tinypic.com/2nsqvbt.png

http://i48.tinypic.com/2b9ugn.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Even in Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan many original Turkmen kept their obvious Turkic appearance. And these people have 0% C3 but 42.6% haplogroup Q and 30% R1a and R1b

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3001/2759029152_2a6c9d43e8.jpg
http://iranian.com/NaderDavoodi/2004/August/Azadi/Images/2.jpg
http://footbik.narod.ru/IGROKY/A/IZO/AZIZI_KHODADAD_jpg.jpg

[ButlerKing]

http://payvand.com/news/08/mar/Literacy-Class-Turkmens-Iran9.jpg
http://resim.donanimhaber.com/upfiles/9415/164DF2DE1285412BA883C151FD9BAF80.jpg

[Gospodine]

Point still stands. Turks are a predominantly Near Eastern/West Asian/South-West Asian population, inclining towards Southern Caucasus populations like Armenians the further East you go in Turkey.

This garbage is spread by Pan-Turkic trolls and Anti-Turkish trolls.

[ButlerKing]

Point still stands. Turks are a predominantly Near Eastern/West Asian/South-West Asian population, inclining towards Southern Caucasus populations like Armenians the further East you go in Turkey.

This garbage is spread by Pan-Turkic trolls and Anti-Turkish trolls.

You sure are pro-Turkish for a slavic person. ( A slavic defender of Turks? how rare haha )

I didn't say Turkish were not predominately Caucasoid, Chuvash are predminately Caucasoid but have 19- 27% Mongoloid admixture themselves. All I'm saying that neither of the two are true Caucasoid people.

Here, your true Turkic who are still wondering in the hills of middle east ( Iran, Afghanistan )

http://www.afghanistan-today.org/media/photos/carpet1.jpg
http://www.rescue.org/sites/default/files/photo-essays/bbc2.jpg



ANOTHER TURKMEN TRIBE IN TURKEY


It says there is no information about the origin and history of the name of the village. Yet some of the people look Asiatic hybrid Mongoloid tribes. If I din't know I though these were Turkic group from Central Asia. They are the Comakdag who lived in Turkey during the Seljuk period.

http://d1tzcc9zme1qd1.cloudfront.net/images/photos/341/95/medium/1182242.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5310/comakdagiyoreselkiyafet.jpg
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7351/a22yw.jpg

[wvwvw]

You sure are pro-Turkish for a slavic person. ( A slavic defender of Turks? how rare haha )

I didn't say Turkish were not predominately Caucasoid, Chuvash are predminately Caucasoid but have 19- 27% Mongoloid admixture themselves. All I'm saying that neither of the two are true Caucasoid people.]

This clown is most likely Turkish, every post of his is full of vitriol against Greeks. Hardly a coincidence.

[ButlerKing]

This clown is most likely Turkish, every post of his is full of vitriol against Greeks. Hardly a coincidence.

:picard1: you don't make sense. You say that I 'm a Turkish who is full of vitriol against Greeks.

What you mean't to say is I'm most likely Greek. ( And you're calling me a clown? :picard1: )

[wvwvw]

:picard1: you don't make sense. You say that I 'm a Turkish who is full of vitriol against Greeks.

What you mean't to say is I'm most likely Greek. ( And you're calling me a clown? :picard1: )

Not you, "Gospodine"

[Gospodine]

You sure are pro-Turkish for a slavic person. ( A slavic defender of Turks? how rare haha )

You're clutching at straws because you have no argument.

I'm not partisan towards Turks or Slavs nor any other meta-ethnicity. I'm only interested in telling it like it is. Calling a spade a spade.

Turks are not European but they are not Mongoloid either. They are predominantly Near-Eastern/West Asian genetically.

If you want a good example of a Mongoloid, as in mentally-defective; speak to Raine.


I didn't say Turkish were not predominately Caucasoid, Chuvash are predminately Caucasoid but have 19- 27% Mongoloid admixture themselves. All I'm saying that neither of the two are true Caucasoid people.

Depends on what criteria and admixture your definition of "Caucasoid" is based on. By that logic you could argue Finns aren't "true Caucasoid".

In any case, you're not an authority on what constitutes true Caucasoids; so your speculation is as good as anybody else's.


Here, your true Turkic who are still wondering in the hills of middle east ( Iran, Afghanistan )

Actually semi-nomads/highlanders of Central Asia are predominantly Iranian-Nordoid populations who retain high levels of pre-Turkic migration, Proto-Indo-European DNA (like the Andronovo culture/Tarim mummies) in contrast to the dominant ancestries of most Central Asians. Yaghnobis of Tajikistan, inhabitants of the Pamir Mountains, some Uyghurs and remote communities in Afghanistan/Uzbekistan are largely proto-Indo-Iranian descendants.

Iranians though are largely Near Eastern, tending more towards Caucasus populations the further north you go and more towards South Asian populations the further South-West you go.

[ButlerKing]

You're clutching at straws because you have no argument.

I'm not partisan towards Turks or Slavs nor any other meta-ethnicity. I'm only interested in telling it like it is. Calling a spade a spade.

Turks are not European but they are not Mongoloid either. They are predominantly Near-Eastern/West Asian genetically.

If you want a good example of a Mongoloid, as in mentally-defective; speak to Raine.



Depends on what criteria and admixture your definition of "Caucasoid" is based on. By that logic you could argue Finns aren't "true Caucasoid".

In any case, you're not an authority on what constitutes true Caucasoids; so your speculation is as good as anybody else's.



Actually semi-nomads/highlanders of Central Asia are predominantly Iranian-Nordoid populations who retain high levels of pre-Turkic migration, Proto-Indo-European DNA (like the Andronovo culture/Tarim mummies) in contrast to the dominant ancestries of most Central Asians. Yaghnobis of Tajikistan, inhabitants of the Pamir Mountains, some Uyghurs and remote communities in Afghanistan/Uzbekistan are largely proto-Indo-Iranian descendants.

Iranians though are largely Near Eastern, tending more towards Caucasus populations the further north you go and more towards South Asian populations the further South-West you go.

Yeah Finns are not pure Caucasoid but their Mongoloid admixture are a little less. Half of Turkish have 10-20% Mongoloid admixture.

By the way I don't care if their predominately Iranic, if there is at least 25% Mongoloid than they are mix race and besides Altay, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz , Karakalpak are all predominately Mongoloid races and Yakuts are pure Mongoloid Turkic. Also Uzbeks and Uyghurs are 40-50% Mongoloid. Only the Southern Turkmen and Tajiks are 13-17% Mongoloid.




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[Ivan Kramskoï]

If we consider only europeans halogroup R and I.
I made a quick calculus with the first document -> 28% of european halogroup.
So turkish are part euro but can't be considere europeans at all.

[The Lively Rock]

According to 23andme I'm 0.8% East Asian the rest European and Middle Eastern

[Laebat]

If we consider only europeans halogroup R and I.
I made a quick calculus with the first document -> 28% of european halogroup.
So turkish are part euro but can't be considere europeans at all.

EV-13 and J2 are also european, paleo-european, before the coming of the indo-aryans in Europe who brought R1a and R1b with subclades of I.

[Tellmewhy]

Older samples also include Turkish citizens who are not ethnically Turkish, fully or partially. It is not accurate to rely on those samples when calculating Turkish averages.