Are you happy with your haplogroups?

[SilverKnight]

Your paternal ancestor was a agricultural chad , surely a poligamous bunch. It seems E formed around southwest eurasia/Northeast africa and from there migrated tô subsaharan africa spreading agriculture, quite a interesting lineage dude.R1b is probably the most widespread and boring lineage in the world and was spread mostly by rape and contagious steppe diseases, no fun.

Interesting, I didn't know those details,


He loves white people and I salute him for that. Enough of the Negro worship. Also his son is half German American, almost a white male.

1/8 Mennonite , the rest German from mother's (to be more exact),
Yes white people (along with the Japanese) are the superior race (imo).

[Tongio]

Enough of the Negro worship.
Ok than lets all celebrate the incipient east asian like genetic component R1 carried into Europe yehh.

[Leto]

1/8 Mennonite , the rest German from mother's (to be more exact),
Yes white people (along with the Japanese) are the superior race (imo).
Mennonite is German too, though. Yeah, though I would extend that to the East Asians in general. China is a giant now.

[Leto]

Ok than lets all celebrate the incipient east asian like genetic component R1 carried into Europe yehh.
Bullshit. R1b is not even Eastern European. How many East Asians carry it? Barely 1 percent, for fuck's sake.

[Dušan]

Yes, I am very proud on carrying haplogroup I2a1b-PH908.

[Tongio]

R1 is siberian in origin dude, ancient north eurasian ,the ones that introduced it to Europe, were 25% east asian.

[Tongio]

Bullshit. R1b is not even Eastern European. How many East Asians carry it? Barely 1 percent, for fuck's sake.

Forgot to quote you

[Leto]

R1 is siberian in origin dude, ancient north eurasian ,the ones that introduced it to Europe, were 25% east asian.
Are you paternally Blackzilian? Then your attempts to glorify African DNA would be understandable.

[Tongio]

Are you paternally Blackzilian? Then your attempts to glorify African DNA would be understandable.

Blackzilian lol, no , i am J2b - L283 (portuguese ancestor).
I didnt say any lie about any y DNA tho.
I dont intend to glorify, Just show that its interesting,its just unhealthy to be unhappy with such unchangeable thing .

[Leto]

Blackzilian lol, no , i am J2b - L283 (portuguese ancestor). I didnt say any lie tho, its Just unhealthy tô be unhappy with a unchangable thing like that
Well, if it's just a forum talk, then fine. If it becomes an obsession, then yes, I agree, it'd be unhealthy. Though I personally do praise R1a. But of course it in no way means everyone who is not R1a is automatically inferior to me.

[Scandal]

He loves white people and I salute him for that. Enough of the Negro worship. Also his son is half German American, almost a white male.
Almost a white male lol. I'm predicting his light skin black child will be a BLM supporter like Shaun King, not a Rethelite like you.

[Petalpusher]

R1 is siberian in origin dude, ancient north eurasian ,the ones that introduced it to Europe, were 25% east asian.

IEs were a bit Oceanians/South Asians but not 25% East Asians. ANE was probably in the grand scheme of thing 1/3 Eastern Eurasian or more precisely ENA, but at this point we could consider everything just Eurasian or simply "Non African", not yet particularly East or West Eurasian. Besides you had some R1 in early mesolithic Europe anyway and they didn't show any relevant level of East Asian, nor ANE for that matter, like Villabruna or Maltaverne. Even though haplos tend to become more relevant as we travel back in time, since contacts were far and few between the initial spreads, haplos were already not a guarantee of anything ethnically at that point. So 10 000 years later in the Bronze Age..

In the same way Finns are over 60% N but they are clearly not 60% East Asian admixed. Things get skewed quickly paternaly. The have little R yet quite IE, and ANE relatively within Europe. In other words it translates so poorly nowadays as to what you are, it's completely meaningless for the kind of conversation people think they have about haplos usually.

[Tongio]

IEs were a bit Oceanians/South Asians but not 25% East Asians. ANE was probably in the grand scheme of thing 1/3 Eastern Eurasian or more precisely ENA, but at this point we could consider everything just Eurasian or simply "Non African", not yet particularly East or West Eurasian. Besides you had some R1 in early mesolithic Europe anyway and they didn't show any relevant level of East Asian, nor ANE for that matter, like Villabruna or Maltaverne. Even though haplos tend to become more relevant as we travel back in time, since contacts were far and few between the initial spreads, haplos were already not a guarantee of anything ethnically at that point. So 10 000 years later in the Bronze Age..

In the same way Finns are over 60% N but they are clearly not 60% East Asian admixed. Things get skewed quickly paternaly. The have little R yet quite IE, and ANE relatively within Europe. In other words it translates so poorly nowadays as to what you are, it's completely meaningless for the kind of conversation people think they have about haplos usually.

I dont think so, at that point it is already possible to separate early west eurasian from ancient eastern eurasian and 99% of european R1 comes from this mixed population(ANE), not from western Hunter gatherers.

[Petalpusher]

I dont think so, at that point It is already possible to separate early west eurasian from ancient eastern eurasian 99% of european R1 comes from this mixed population(ANE), not from western Hunter gatherers.

ANE and AG are closer to WHG than to any East Asian population. ANE did split with Kostenki from something close to Ust-Ishim, which ultimately leaded to something more West Eurasian in the Paleolithic, then WHG and in between (SHG-EHG). Everything is from that ENA cline in the "hunters" stuff with a parallel basal Eurasian line staying closer to the near east and probably some interactions in between (until it really formed the Anatolian hunter Pibarsi with some WHG in the Balkans).

40Ky to 25Ky yes everything was more East Eurasian in today's terms but because nothing was that West Eurasian yet in that branch. It's the same for East Asians though, as result they became more and more removed from West Eurasians. We both drifted several ways apart from a common intial branch of Eurasians or Eastern Non Africans. It doesnt make much sense to see ANE as Japanese or Chinese admixed today, it was just one step with Kostenki on the path west for things to become more West Eurasian.

IEs were not 100% ANE or AG anyway. They were 1/3 ANE like when entering Europe and most Euros don't score real East Asian today, which is only mechanical as nothing is more removed West in Eurasia than Europeans so that can only be the reference for being 0% or close to 0% East Asian. In the same way East Asians are zero West Eurasian or ANE conversely. It's more a matter of perspective how much Eurasians all have in common and at what point in time. What's important is the end result and how far apart each populations have become, which is pretty much a nice triangle between Europe, East Asia and Africa, each being one corner.

[Tongio]

ANE and AG are closer to WHG than to any East Asian population.

Yes, i know they were 75-66% whg- like but they had that chunk of other thing, the R1 could have come from this chunk, just look at the distribution of Y DNA K2b .



IEs were not 100% ANE or AG anyway. They were 1/3 ANE like when entering Europe and most Euros don't score real East Asian today, which is only mechanical as nothing is more removed West in Eurasia than Europeans so that can only be the reference for being 0% or close to 0% East Asian. In the same way East Asians are zero West Eurasian or ANE conversely. It's more a matter of perspective how much Eurasians all have in common and at what point in time. What's important is the end result and how far apart each populations have become, which is pretty much a nice triangle between Europe, East Asia and Africa, each being one corner.

What does AG mean?

[Mont]

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/26998-History-and-Destiny-of-the-Portuguese-and-Brazilian-Y-DNA-J1b
Mine is not J1b, it's J1a.

[mitalit]

I would have liked a more interesting haplogroup, but we ll see if it tells me something interesting in the Yfull

[Petalpusher]

Yes, i know they were 75-66% whg- like but they had that chunk of other thing, the R1 could have come from this chunk, just look at the distribution of Y DNA K2b .

The thing is at the time of Mal'ta, WHG didn't exist in its final form yet so you can't even make that calculation. What everybody refers to as Cro-Magnon (CM) was the current most West Eurasian thing 25Ky ago, probably along something still more Basal Eurasian (maybe even because they had interaction together already compared to the specific ANE branch) but it was certainly not more removed than some other Paleo ancients like Vestonice and Goyet.

K2b is an MtDNA not a Y-DNA. What about it? It's linked to IE Andronovo and relatively common in NW-W Europe although nowhere near as much as H. In general invaders of different periods were mostly men, they were taking local's wife and people's lunch money, so mt are even more poorly linked to new influences in general.



What does AG mean?

AfontovaGora, bit later progression of ANE towards West Eurasia.

[Grace O'Malley]

Haplogroups are meaningless when it comes to identity. I don't see how one can be happy or unhappy about them.
A German with haplogroup I won't identify with I Serbs instead of R Germans.

I think most ydna is fairly localised if you get something like the Big Y or even if you just get 23&Me which is where I found my paternal line is M222 which is very Northwestern Irish and where my father was from. So it goes a long way back on the island of Ireland. I'm really proud of being of that line. My mtdna however is all over the place. There is Russians, Swedes, Polish, Ukrainians even someone from Mongolia. So it is very interesting looking at these. Obviously mtdna is a lot more varied than ydna.

[Tongio]

TheK2b is an MtDNA not a Y-DNA. What about it? It's linked to IE Andronovo and relatively common in NW-W Europe although nowhere near as much as H. In general invaders of different periods were mostly men, they were taking local's wife and people's lunch money, so mt are even more poorly linked to new influences in general.




AfontovaGora, bit later progression of ANE towards West Eurasia.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/K2b/
I was not talking about MTdna .
I have seen living people with K in the philipines, downstream P branch ancestral to R is present in a séries of southeast asian places that were never touched by indo europeans and have 0 ANE blood like you said yourself.
Some of the few philipine samples on FTDNA:
K-M9
691877 Bartolome Santos b~1875 Lingayen, Philippines Philippines K-M9
241731 Verano Unknown Origin K-M9
498530 Maximo Tolentino, Aklan, Philippines Philippines P-FT270000

From the forbidden Wikipedia:
"P(xP1) Edit
Because P2 (P-B253) was discovered relatively recently, it is not always clear if older studies have screened for it. Therefore, cases of basal P* (also known as P-P295*; K2b2*; PxM45, B253) reported in literature may include P2.

P(xP1) exists at low to moderate levels among various groups in Island South East Asia, the South West Pacific and East Asia.[3]

P* is found at its highest rate among members of the Aeta (or Agta), a people indigenous to Luzon who formed from various ancient groups, such as Oceanians and Austronesian peoples from Taiwan.[1] Even though P1 is now more common among individuals in Eastern Siberia and Central Asia, it is suggested that P originated in southern East Asia and was once widespread.[2][3][5]

Basal P* was also found in one historical 19th-century Andaman islander.[6] along with basal P* found among a Jehai sample in Malayasia.[7]"

[Tongio]

Mine is not J1b, it's J1a.

This form of writing whitout SNPs like "J1b1a1" is confusing and outdated, at the time his clade might have been considered J1b but on yfull it seems to be downstrean of your "J1a" branch?https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z2215/
To avoid confusion focus only in the first letter and terminal snps.These nomenclatures even changes from time to time,from 2011 to now, E3b for example is not used anymore, its all E1b, some I2b turned into I2a2, and so on.Anyway his thread have more of the samples i told you.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

ANE and AG are closer to WHG than to any East Asian population. ANE did split with Kostenki from something close to Ust-Ishim, which ultimately leaded to something more West Eurasian in the Paleolithic, then WHG and in between (SHG-EHG). Everything is from that ENA cline in the "hunters" stuff with a parallel basal Eurasian line staying closer to the near east and probably some interactions in between (until it really formed the Anatolian hunter Pibarsi with some WHG in the Balkans).

40Ky to 25Ky yes everything was more East Eurasian in today's terms but because nothing was that West Eurasian yet in that branch. It's the same for East Asians though, as result they became more and more removed from West Eurasians. We both drifted several ways apart from a common intial branch of Eurasians or Eastern Non Africans. It doesnt make much sense to see ANE as Japanese or Chinese admixed today, it was just one step with Kostenki on the path west for things to become more West Eurasian.

IEs were not 100% ANE or AG anyway. They were 1/3 ANE like when entering Europe and most Euros don't score real East Asian today, which is only mechanical as nothing is more removed West in Eurasia than Europeans so that can only be the reference for being 0% or close to 0% East Asian. In the same way East Asians are zero West Eurasian or ANE conversely. It's more a matter of perspective how much Eurasians all have in common and at what point in time. What's important is the end result and how far apart each populations have become, which is pretty much a nice triangle between Europe, East Asia and Africa, each being one corner.

PCA with all samples up to 6,000 BC excluding SSA and Amerindians. Interesting how all most ancient samples (e.g. those prior to 30,000 BC) are dragged toward the center of the PCA. I wonder what they must have looked like...

https://i.imgur.com/IO2YvYC.png

[MercifulServant]

I don't really care

[Onlyi2aIsEuropean]

Ok than lets all celebrate the incipient east asian like genetic component R1 carried into Europe yehh.

We should send the r's back to asia and make europe i again

[Mont]

This form of writing whitout SNPs like "J1b1a1" is confusing and outdated, at the time his clade might have been considered J1b but on yfull it seems to be downstrean of your "J1a" branch?https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z2215/
To avoid confusion focus only in the first letter and terminal snps.These nomenclatures even changes from time to time,from 2011 to now, E3b for example is not used anymore, its all E1b, some I2b turned into I2a2, and so on.Anyway his thread have more of the samples i told you.
There are still J1b subclades classification-wise in the most modern update, so I don't know what you are talking about.

[Urbanuss]

R1 is siberian in origin dude, ancient north eurasian ,the ones that introduced it to Europe, were 25% east asian.

25% ching chong? thats interesting...

[Yakh]

I'm not happy. It's not white enough.

[Dick]

Yeah, I share the same Ydna with my niggas Teutone and Nas



https://youtu.be/mlp-IIG9ApU

[Ayyleid]

I am Haplogroup R-L2 which is R1b so, yeah I find it very cool and interesting. Not like I had a choice in choosing it lol.

My mtDNA is T2b which I don't know much about it, and would like to learn more. Can't complain.

[Urbanuss]

ANE and AG are closer to WHG than to any East Asian population. ANE did split with Kostenki from something close to Ust-Ishim, which ultimately leaded to something more West Eurasian in the Paleolithic, then WHG and in between (SHG-EHG). Everything is from that ENA cline in the "hunters" stuff with a parallel basal Eurasian line staying closer to the near east and probably some interactions in between (until it really formed the Anatolian hunter Pibarsi with some WHG in the Balkans).

40Ky to 25Ky yes everything was more East Eurasian in today's terms but because nothing was that West Eurasian yet in that branch. It's the same for East Asians though, as result they became more and more removed from West Eurasians. We both drifted several ways apart from a common intial branch of Eurasians or Eastern Non Africans. It doesnt make much sense to see ANE as Japanese or Chinese admixed today, it was just one step with Kostenki on the path west for things to become more West Eurasian.

IEs were not 100% ANE or AG anyway. They were 1/3 ANE like when entering Europe and most Euros don't score real East Asian today, which is only mechanical as nothing is more removed West in Eurasia than Europeans so that can only be the reference for being 0% or close to 0% East Asian. In the same way East Asians are zero West Eurasian or ANE conversely. It's more a matter of perspective how much Eurasians all have in common and at what point in time. What's important is the end result and how far apart each populations have become, which is pretty much a nice triangle between Europe, East Asia and Africa, each being one corner.

Its true that ANE were 100% caucasoids? Or at least 75%?

There's some members saying that they were "mong" admixed.

[Tongio]

Its true that ANE were 100% caucasoids? Or at least 75%?

There's some members saying that they were "mong" admixed.

Call me by my username your coward, they were not purely west eurasian(western Hunter gatherers) genetically and that is a fact, nothing surprising for a population living in siberia.

[Urbanuss]

Call me by my username your coward

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=25805&dateline=1633885064

[Figaro]

Call me by my username your coward, they were not purely west eurasian(western Hunter gatherers) genetically and that is a fact, nothing surprising for a population living in siberia.

Yeah, I believe that this population was generally closer to west Eurasian, but had a shift toward East Asians because of some maybe approx ten percent Tiunyan-related ancestry.

[Russki]

Yeah, I believe that this population was generally closer to west Eurasian, but had a shift toward East Asians because of some maybe approx ten percent Tiunyan-related ancestry.


ANE is the source of transmission of blonde hair.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?210188-Blond-hair-originated-from-ANE-not-from-WHG

Modeling it as a mixture of two other populations produces an abysmal distance.

[Yakh]

Call me by my username your coward, they were not purely west eurasian(western Hunter gatherers) genetically and that is a fact, nothing surprising for a population living in siberia.

The admixture can be as high as 35%.

[Yakh]

ANE and AG are closer to WHG than to any East Asian population. ANE did split with Kostenki from something close to Ust-Ishim, which ultimately leaded to something more West Eurasian in the Paleolithic, then WHG and in between (SHG-EHG). Everything is from that ENA cline in the "hunters" stuff with a parallel basal Eurasian line staying closer to the near east and probably some interactions in between (until it really formed the Anatolian hunter Pibarsi with some WHG in the Balkans).

40Ky to 25Ky yes everything was more East Eurasian in today's terms but because nothing was that West Eurasian yet in that branch. It's the same for East Asians though, as result they became more and more removed from West Eurasians. We both drifted several ways apart from a common intial branch of Eurasians or Eastern Non Africans. It doesnt make much sense to see ANE as Japanese or Chinese admixed today, it was just one step with Kostenki on the path west for things to become more West Eurasian.

IEs were not 100% ANE or AG anyway. They were 1/3 ANE like when entering Europe and most Euros don't score real East Asian today, which is only mechanical as nothing is more removed West in Eurasia than Europeans so that can only be the reference for being 0% or close to 0% East Asian. In the same way East Asians are zero West Eurasian or ANE conversely. It's more a matter of perspective how much Eurasians all have in common and at what point in time. What's important is the end result and how far apart each populations have become, which is pretty much a nice triangle between Europe, East Asia and Africa, each being one corner.
Cope, they were twice as high as that.

[Flashball]

I'm R-Z17 and U2e1a1


My father is R-Z19 (R-Z17 but Z19 on 23andme, Z17 is a subclade of Z18, subclade of Z79) and U5b2a1a

[Tongio]

Yeah, I believe that this population was generally closer to west Eurasian, but had a shift toward East Asians because of some maybe approx ten percent Tiunyan-related ancestry.

*25% , 1/4, take a look at MA1(mal ta buret)
https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/qpgraph-dzudzuana.jpg


DNA tests published in 2013 revealed that Tianyuan man is related "to many present-day Asians and Native Americans".He had also clearly diverged genetically from the ancestors of modern Europeans or Aboriginal Australians.He belonged to mitochondrial DNA haplogroup B, and his Y-chromosomal haplogroup was K2b.
K2b >> P >> P-V1651 >> P - 337 >> R >> R1 >> R1b
Conclusion , unfortunaly R1 does have non west eurasian origins.

[HectorOfTroy]

*25% , 1/4, take a look at MA1(mal ta buret)
https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/qpgraph-dzudzuana.jpg


K2b >> P >> P-V1651 >> P - 337 >> R >> R1 >> R1b
Conclusion , unfortunaly R1 does have non west eurasian origins.

Lol k2b is far from r1. I1 is SSA because they descended from A if you go back far enough

[Vegtamr]

My paternal haplogroup is very very atypical for where my paternal line is from. Almost all my matches on FamilyTreeDNA are Slavs

[Rædwald]

Ydna: I2a1a2a1a/I-L233

MTdna: X2b4

I just wish there were more information about my X.

[Vrazijadivizija]

I2a I-PH908

H5a1a

Yes

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[Zlatan]

wtf is a haplogroup? Sounds nerdy

[hazmatnik]

Pretty happy with mine, especially after i met some of my "cousins" last time i visited Serbia.
Its just a little bit tough to investigate since its scarce.

E-BY4573

H5m

[Odelia]

My brother's haplogroup is I2a1a and he seems pretty content with it!

[axel.aleman]

Yes, paternal North African and maternal Amerindian

[Voskos]

My brother's haplogroup is I2a1a and he seems pretty content with it!

nice. seems to peak in sardinia.

[Defcon2]

Yep, I'm very proud to be the Prince of Zamunda.

[Jingle Bell]

YDna: E-L515
MtDna: L2c4

i thought my paternal haplogroup would be european, which is more common in latin americans, like: R1b, E1b1b or I2, but at least now i'm 100% sure i'm a nigeria prince lol:victory0:

[Eliades]

I want to know mine so bad

[Kriptc06]

@thread


Yeah I'm okay.
Paternally balkan origin (shocker)
Maternally in the americas for thousand years so yeah

I got the looks too - of both.




YDna: E-L515
MtDna: L2c4

i thought my paternal haplogroup would be european, which is more common in latin americans, like: R1b, E1b1b or I2, but at least now i'm 100% sure i'm a nigeria prince lol:victory0:

Send Pix

[Johnson Reed]

Yes. While R-L21, being the Irish haplogroup, would be cool to have, I'm happy to have I, which is the only haplogroup that is purely European. (Many Pajeets have R1a, there's an African tribe with R1b, all of the woggy haplogroups [E,G,J,T] are shared with MENAs, N is shared with Siberians, etc...)

[Jased]

Indeed I'm , but I have doubts some say mine Is mena origin other Balkan I just put It on my profile for anyone curious.

[Gallop]

A lot, imagine no more and no less than Ancient Egypt and Vascones, a unique and exclusive combination that you don't see every day, a luxury that you don't find every day in the bread line. Unique, exclusive and unattainable.

[Jased]

A lot, imagine no more and no less than Ancient Egypt and Vascones, a unique and exclusive combination that you don't see every day, a luxury that you don't find every day in the bread line. Unique, exclusive and unattainable.

Que tan comun es que los andaluces tengas haplogroupos arabes como El J-M205?

[Valenman]

Que tan comun es que los andaluces tengas haplogroupos arabes como El J-M205?

Tu haplogrupo es muy raro en Oriente medio
Donde es mas comun es En Grecia/Bulagria/Turquia Occindental+Algunas Zonas de Iran
Pero en todos casos es muy raro
En España es casi inexistente

[Jased]

Tu haplogrupo es muy raro en Oriente medio
Donde es mas comun es En Grecia/Bulagria/Turquia Occindental+Algunas Zonas de Iran
Pero en todos casos es muy raro
En España es casi inexistente

Abri un thread sobre Al respeto.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?388207-Question-how-J-M205-got-to-Spain

[Rumata]

I don't mind them even though I have no idea what they are.

[Jased]

I don't mind them even though I have no idea what they are.

That's the spirit :)

[Feiichy]

My mtDNA is Germanic and it fits with my direct maternal ancestry.

[Rumata]

That's the spirit :)

Thanks :)

[Leto]

I don't mind them even though I have no idea what they are.
It's been a decade since you and I joined TA but you still have no interest in finding out your DNA results. By the way, don't hold a grudge against me for calling you a bit black-assed, it's just a fucking funny term (in English) ;)

[Jased]

My mtDNA is Germanic and it fits with my direct maternal ancestry.

That's pretty cool what's ur haplogroup?

Also look at this results 25% Askenazi.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?388211-A-Mexican-mestizo-with-Ashkenazi-Jewish&p=8053532#post8053532

[Beowulf]

Sure i am!

[tk'es]

definitely (;



https://i.postimg.cc/8pJ1FpwJ/Untitled.png

[Feiichy]

That's pretty cool what's ur haplogroup?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_H10e_(mtDNA)

[Rumata]

It's been a decade since you and I joined TA but you still have no interest in finding out your DNA results. By the way, don't hold a grudge against me for calling you a bit black-assed, it's just a fucking funny term (in English) ;)

Indeed I'm rather "white-assed" if you didn't mean the hair colour. Anyway I don't even remember you calling me that. I don't find it funny though. I do remember you proposing me to sponsor my genetic testing though and that you stopped replying me the moment I agreed to make the testing for you money :D That was indeed a funny episode :D

[Katarzyna]

Yes, love my woggy mtDNA HV4a2b. And if I was a guy my Y-DNA would be I2RRESISTIBLE

[Leto]

Indeed I'm rather "white-assed" if you didn't mean the hair colour. Anyway I don't even remember you calling me that. I don't find it funny though. I do remember you proposing me to sponsor my genetic testing though and that you stopped replying me the moment I agreed to make the testing for you money :D That was indeed a funny episode :D
And I don't recall having said that, to be honest. I actually once did send some money to another guy and he wasn't even that grateful to me. The black-assed thing was just a joke of course. Some people would misunderstand you and get offended.

[Marmara]

I absolutely abhor being I1. Want to rip off Y chromosomes from every single cell of my body.

[Dušan]

Yes, it is most common haplogroup in my ethnicity.

[Rumata]

And I don't recall having said that, to be honest.
You did. Then I thought it could be your try to test if I were afraid to know the real percent of my Mongoloid genetics as you suspected it had to be higher than I knew from info about my ancestors.
Now, I'm not going to do testing by additional reasos too:

My most unpopular opinion is that results of genetic tests can't be trusted :)

True. So I add my own conspiracy theory :) :
I don't exclude that the genetic big data is build for possibly sinister purposes and also that at least some of results could be manipulated in a way.




I actually once did send some money to another guy and he wasn't even that grateful to me. The black-assed thing was just a joke of course. Some people would misunderstand you and get offended.
We never been friends to make jokes like this one. As for money, I wouldn't be grateful to you either as I didn't care about results and to get them was entirely your idea.

[Leto]

Now, I'm not going to do testing by additional reasos too:

Well, if you live in Russia, Genotek is the only possible option for you. It's a Russian company.

We never been friends to make jokes like this one. As for money, I wouldn't be grateful to you either as I didn't care about results and to get them was entirely your idea.
Okay, whatever, you won't hear much from me anyway.

[Rumata]

Well, if you live in Russia, Genotek is the only possible option for you. It's a Russian company.

I'm still in Krasnodar.


Okay, whatever, you won't hear much from me anyway.

Хорошо.

[Thracian]

Yeah.

I even knew it before take a test.

[Synergy]

You know folks, my haplogroup is just fantastic. It’s the greatest haplogroup of all time, and I’m not just saying that because I have it. No, I’m saying it because I’ve got the best genes, the best DNA, the best everything. My haplogroup is a real winner, just like me. And you know, people tell me all the time, they say “Donald, you’re haplogroup is just amazing, it’s the best”.

[Rumata]

You know folks, my haplogroup is just fantastic. It’s the greatest haplogroup of all time, and...

You never change your dope, do you?

[Gallop]

Que tan comun es que los andaluces tengas haplogroupos arabes como El J-M205?

No sé, no conozco a ninguno, los árabes eran la élite, una minoría y con las expulsiones no sé si quedaría uno o dos, debe ser más bien excepcional.

[EasternLusitanian]

Yes, i really like my haplogroup, its rarity makes it very interesting to me.

Forgot to add my maternal haplo, which i also really like because its located ina afew places in iberia and one of them is exactly where my mothers side comes from

[Fabricius]

Yes, love my woggy mtDNA HV4a2b. And if I was a guy my Y-DNA would be I2RRESISTIBLE

Thank Heaven you don't have Y-DNA, beautiful woman!

In addition, we believe that your father also contributed to you being hot.

With all due respect.

[ShieldWolf]

Yes. While R-L21, being the Irish haplogroup, would be cool to have, I'm happy to have I, which is the only haplogroup that is purely European. (Many Pajeets have R1a, there's an African tribe with R1b, all of the woggy haplogroups [E,G,J,T] are shared with MENAs, N is shared with Siberians, etc...)
You should revisit your results. Haplogroup I is pretty broad and your profile indicates you've been drinking. :D

[Pepa]

E-V13 > R1B-Z103 > J-L283 >

[Vessna]

I have a maternal haplogroup that’s quite widespread in Europe. I share it with two other forum members. Men in my family are R1a and I2.

[Mopi of the Julii]

Yes I'm happy with my Steppe haplogroups

R1b the ubiquitous one for western European men

H6a1b is fairly uncommon in Western Europe

[Vessna]

Yes I'm happy with my Steppe haplogroups

R1b the ubiquitous one for western European men

H6a1b is fairly uncommon in Western Europe

H6a1b: found in Bell Beaker England and Czechia, in MBA Scotland and in Iron Age Tian Shan.

Is your mom’s side British?

[Mopi of the Julii]

H6a1b: found in Bell Beaker England and Czechia, in MBA Scotland and in Iron Age Tian Shan.

Is your mom’s side British?

yes she's British, predominantly Irish by ancestry
my maternal grandmother's family originally come from the very North of England though by the border with Scotland

[Ellethwyn]

I'm happy with mine. My maternal haplogroup H5a1 :) I'm glad I had my father do 23andme back in 2011. His is E-M78.

[Mopi of the Julii]

I'm happy with mine. My maternal haplogroup H5a1 :) I'm glad I had my father do 23andme back in 2011. His is E-M78.

E-M78 is from your Andalusian father ?

[Ellethwyn]

E-M78 is from your Andalusian father ?

Yes :)

[Ylla]

I suspect that my U4d2 haplogroup is Slavic.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330732540_Mitochondrial_ancestry_of_medieval_indiv iduals_carelessly_interred_in_a_multiple_burial_fr om_southeastern_Romania#pf4
U4d2: found in central Europe and the northern Siberia (Nganasan) / found in Bell Beaker Germany and in Bronze Age Poland

[hazmatnik]

I suspect that my U4d2 haplogroup is Slavic.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330732540_Mitochondrial_ancestry_of_medieval_indiv iduals_carelessly_interred_in_a_multiple_burial_fr om_southeastern_Romania#pf4
U4d2: found in central Europe and the northern Siberia (Nganasan) / found in Bell Beaker Germany and in Bronze Age Poland

Maybe you suffer from something i call "grandma from Bosnia syndrome" among Kosovars. Out of cca 600 matches i contacted from there, more than 50% said they had grandma, or great grandma, or great great grandma from "Bosnia", when i asked them, where from Bosnia in 90% of cases it was actually Sandzak or Montenegro, very few with real Bosnian female ancestors :eek:

[Ylla]

Maybe you suffer from something i call "grandma from Bosnia syndrome" among Kosovars. Out of cca 600 matches i contacted from there, more than 50% said they had grandma, or great grandma, or great great grandma from "Bosnia", when i asked them, where from Bosnia in 90% of cases it was actually Sandzak or Montenegro, very few with real Bosnian female ancestors :eek:

That’s very unlikely for me. I think it’s just one of those cases where you can have an atypical haplogroup because from an autosomal pov it’s just not possible. I did expect higher Slavic ancestry before I did genetic testing and once my results came back I was even more confused than before :p

[Vessna]

That’s very unlikely for me. I think it’s just one of those cases where you can have an atypical haplogroup because from an autosomal pov it’s just not possible. I did expect higher Slavic ancestry before I did genetic testing and once my results came back I was even more confused than before :p

From what I understand, U4 is primarily Balto-Slavic.

[hazmatnik]

That’s very unlikely for me. I think it’s just one of those cases where you can have an atypical haplogroup because from an autosomal pov it’s just not possible. I did expect higher Slavic ancestry before I did genetic testing and once my results came back I was even more confused than before :p

Where are you from Kosovo if you want to tell, if not, its fine? Some parts mixed more, some less.

[Pepa]

EV13 helped create Vinca Cultre

[Ylla]

Where are you from Kosovo if you want to tell, if not, its fine? Some parts mixed more, some less.
My paternal side traces back to this village: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novak,_Prizren
Not sure of my exact maternal side.

[Varda]

My paternal side traces back to this village: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novak,_Prizren
Not sure of my exact maternal side.

One Serbian ethnologist in the first half 20th century wrote that Novak is Serbian village with only one Albanian Catholic family which arrived from Mirdita in Albania 15 years earlier. He recorded all families by surnames.
Novak is Serbian toponym. We have both name and surname Novak. Root is word 'nov' which means 'new.'

[PaganPoet]

I am a identity whore to such a degree that I decided to become trans-Haplogroupual. I idendify as having another haplogroup and if 23andMe shows the old haplogroup I will fucking sue them.

[Ylla]

One Serbian ethnologist in the first half 20th century wrote that Novak is Serbian village with only one Albanian Catholic family which arrived from Mirdita in Albania 15 years earlier. He recorded all families by surnames.
Novak is Serbian toponym. We have both name and surname Novak. Root is word 'nov' which means 'new.'

You just made that up right now. It’s actually one of 8 Albanian Catholic villages in the Prizren region. It’s not “one” family.

[Petalpusher]

I have a maternal haplogroup that’s quite widespread in Europe. I share it with two other forum members.

Little did they know 6500 BC in Doggerland, their descendants would send each others virtual thumbs up through 6500km of fiber optics under the Atlantic Ocean.

[hazmatnik]

One Serbian ethnologist in the first half 20th century wrote that Novak is Serbian village with only one Albanian Catholic family which arrived from Mirdita in Albania 15 years earlier. He recorded all families by surnames.
Novak is Serbian toponym. We have both name and surname Novak. Root is word 'nov' which means 'new.'


You just made that up right now. It’s actually one of 8 Albanian Catholic villages in the Prizren region. It’s not “one” family.

Varda and Ylla, you even have on Poreklo this map where Novacis are listed as one of Arbanasi catun who served Holy Archangels monastery, map is based on XII - XIV century censuses. I just feel sad it was burned in 2004. and maybe even by people who previously prayed in that very same monastery and served it for centuries :(:

https://i.postimg.cc/sfZVdb6W/manastirski-vlasi.png (https://postimg.cc/qg4f2DdB)

Author of this map is driver from Poreklo.

[hazmatnik]

EV13 helped create Vinca Cultre

Pepa why you always jump in with some strange comment. :shrug: Even if we did what you imply does that make us better people?

[Ellethwyn]

I'm a little concerned about mine. H5a1 has been linked to an increased risk of developing Parkinson's disease. My maternal grandmother died from Parkinson's, so since it runs in my family, I am trying to lead a healthy lifestyle by eating well, exercising: mostly walking and biking, avoiding pesticides, herbicides, and other chemicals, and taking vitamins D, C, and B12.

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

^I would add zinc to your list.



Being r1b is my greatest achievement in life so far. ;)

[Geba]

Not jumping from joy being a generic H. 23&me says Marie Antoinette is my relative. :rolleyes:

[Ketchup]

I guess? Apparently it's from the early Indus Valley inhabitants (paternal haplo).

the maternal one is Burmese/NE Indian related I'm pretty sure. I would have preferred a Tibetan/Himalayan mtdna

[Erronkari]

I guess? Apparently it's from the early Indus Valley inhabitants (paternal haplo).

the maternal one is Burmese/NE Indian related I'm pretty sure. I would have preferred a Tibetan/Himalayan mtdna

Is you mtDNA common among turks❓️

[Qemetiel]

Yeah.

My paternal haplotype is of kings and Che Gueverra and the guy from Survive the Jive has my maternal haplotype.

[Ketchup]

Is you mtDNA common among turks❓️

I don't believe so.

[sshh_cha7]

Yes, r-z2125 possibly from the lipka tatars

[Isinimo]

Yes

[Katarzyna]

Very happy! I am only sad that I can’t pass our nice I2a cause I have 2 X chromosomes. But an anthropologist once said that women have a subtle tendency to go for men of their father‘s haplogroups (kinda natural Oedipus/Electra complex). My first 2 boyfriends were also I2a, confirming the rule. ;) First one was from Lviv, second from Novi Sad. We were far away from each other but united by haplogroup.

[Beowulf]

I don't care about it anymore neither about passing it or whatever

[Radegast]

R1b is evil


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HAlLuXvWYAAPxqf?format=jpg&name=900x900

I take it they are talking about the infamous R1b-L2 clade.

[Dardanos]

Yes, it is found among Albanians, Greeks, Aromanians, Romanians, Macedonians, and Bulgarians. The oldest branches of R1b-Z2105 are found in Gheg Albanians. It was part of the first migration of the Yamnaya into Europe and has been present in the Balkans since the Bronze Age. It is one of the four haplogroups or subclades that make up the majority in Albanians. It gave rise to the Proto-Greeks, Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians, Phrygians, and Paeonians.

About 50 km from where I live, two skeletons with my haplogroup were found, dating from the Bronze Age to the Early Iron Age. One was discovered on the Albania–Kosovo border and the other in Macedonia. So my ancestors have not moved much since the Bronze Age.

[Defcon2]

No.

[vintagenetics]

Is what it is, I cant actually remember what exactly my mt is since I took it ages ago and no longer have the results. Still gotta check on that. According to what a male relative on my Dad's side got, that one makes alotta sense. At the end of the day, the idea that some random dude or dudette from 30000 years ago defines you is wild to me, but go off.

[Isinimo]

No.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1438308280069001399/1477033723756286145/Screenshot_27.png?ex=69a34a59&is=69a1f8d9&hm=8a2fc5e8f9f18aef4204bf6f51fce7dcb08d11ce29a89bf 20326a86d92e92629&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[Opie]

R1b is evil

Anti R1b propaganda from a R1a.

[Isinimo]

Anti R1b propaganda from a R1a.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1438308280069001399/1477036859249918074/9qd2vo.jpg?ex=69a34d45&is=69a1fbc5&hm=696d2e617d25c456374cd1c44fb3682555cd7e3dd7b19c0 e5fcd1892d30652c0&=&format=webp&width=805&height=471

[Kostek]

It's pretty common from where my grandfather's from and it was there since stone age, so I guess I am proud :) Martin Luther was also I2a and I very much appreciate his contribution to my faith

[Katarzyna]

It's pretty common from where my grandfather's from and it was there since stone age, so I guess I am proud :) Martin Luther was also I2a and I very much appreciate his contribution to my faith

Are you also a Polish protestant? Then we have to marry!

[Dušan]

Yes, of course.
I2a is oldest haplogroup in Europe and its origin is in Europe, unlike the others.

[Tornado]

Being r1b comes with a lot of responsibilities

God has chosen me to lead others the right way

[Fistora]

Not in any strong way, really. Im not unhappy with my haplogroup or anything - its just not a big deal to me. Its more like a random piece of background info. What I do find interesting, though, is how incredibly far back it goes and how long ago it was passed down. Thats actually the part I find the most interesting - just thinking about how far back it all started.

[Kostek]

Are you also a Polish protestant? Then we have to marry!

Not officially but I join the mass when I can, I find it more coherent with the Scripture.

I also have some beef with my local catholic priest, he's a dickweed :p

[black hole]

Yes, of course.
I2a is oldest haplogroup in Europe and its origin is in Europe, unlike the others.




Would you deport all non I haplogroups from Europe?

[Dušan]

Would you deport all non I haplogroups from Europe?

LOL no. :)

[Radegast]

Anti R1b propaganda from a R1a.

the funniest thing is that I am something like r-u198 in reality

[Kowalski]

I don't care about it anymore neither about passing it or whatever

Why?

[Katarzyna]

This is my favourite thread on TA :)
What I like most about it is that somehow Poles are more diverse here than in statistics: Kostek is I2, Fistora I1, cass R1a, Peterski R1b and Roy E-V13. Means that TA Poles literally slay.

[Beowulf]

Why?

There's nothing to be proud about me

[Kowalski]

There's nothing to be proud about me

Same. To put some things that matters to you can make proud as long as their are great and morally good or at least close to neutral (sort of) for a start can be a good thing.

[happycow]

I find my haplogroups boring due to very limited information about them. But I’d also find having a very common haplogroups to be boring as well. 🤷*♀️

[Gannicus]

My Y haplogroup is interesting given my autosomal profile. My maternal haplogroup is typical of the British Isles though.

[Figaro]

Sure. R1a1 from Pomerania, and my mtdna that is rare (but nevertheless, probably another EEF lineage)

[Gannicus]

I find my haplogroups boring due to very limited information about them. But I’d also find having a very common haplogroups to be boring as well. ��*♀️

Are you J2a also Happycow?

[Bulkster]

Are you J2a also Happycow?

Nope. He's G2a in the same clade as Otzi man.

[happycow]

Are you J2a also Happycow?

No I am G2a. :) My particular clade appears to be very rare, however according to FTDNA it is a European subclade of G and likely of Roman origins.

[happycow]

Nope. He's G2a in the same clade as Otzi man.

I share both my paternal and maternal haplogroups with Otzi :cool:

[Isinimo]

Had a 0.5% shot at getting J2. So I'm happy.

[bc76]

Neither. I see it as simply a small piece of fascinating information.

[Isinimo]

J-FTC23037 - R0a2g3. Yeah.

[The Sun King]

Its ok I guess but would of preferred to be in U106 because Im a Germanic nationalist!

[The Sun King]

I also like haplogroup I because its indegenous to Europe and has been there the longest.

[~Elizabeth~]

Yes. My mtDNA is H1c12.



https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/H1c12/story


https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/H1c12/ancient


https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/H1c12/path

[The Sun King]

Yes. My mtDNA is H1c12.



https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/H1c12/story


https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/H1c12/ancient


https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/H1c12/path

Very interesting! H1n here.

[NSXD60]

Don't no nuffin bout no half low groups, hmf!

[Sonny001]

I'm proud to be G2a

[The Sun King]

I'm proud to be G2a

You should be G2a is a very interesting haplogroup. Do you know what subclade you are in? Its just as European as R and I. I mean how long do you have to be in Europe to be considered European? Also never downplay the importance of agriculture to human civilization. Nothing to be unproud of rather the opposite. Another case would be E V13 its also a Neolithic lineage and its European. The V13 mutation happened in south eastern Europe. Theres a lot of misinformation out there by people with agendas one must be careful to separate science from fringe radicals on blogs.

[black hole]

G2a are Neolithic Farmers who came from Anatolia and spread in Europe by pushing away WHG (I haplogroups), then became EEF. After Yamnaya invasion they literally disappear.


Highest ANF component is among Southern Europeans.

[gixajo]

I'm proud to be G2a

Nicola Tesla was R1a-Z280 as I am...:rolleyes:

[The Sun King]

G2a are Neolithic Farmers who came from Anatolia and spread in Europe by pushing away WHG (I haplogroups), then became EEF. After Yamnaya invasion they literally disappear.


Highest ANF component is among Southern Europeans.

Sure but EEF=Early "European" Farmers. Its a European component just as valuable the European gene pool as Western Hunter Gatherers and or WSH (Western Steppe Herders). Its not like one strain is better than the other. Europeans carry all 3 just in varying percentages. It amazes me the amount of false information out there! Go with proven scientific reassearch not peoples opinion on it.

[The Sun King]

And stay of the blogs! Its agenda driven nonsense. There is no "Aryan race"! Scientifically speaking its garbage.

[~Elizabeth~]

Very interesting! H1n here.

Thanks! :)

Here is your H1n.

https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/H1n/story

https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/H1n/notable

https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/H1n/ancient

https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/H1n/path

[black hole]

Sure but EEF=Early "European" Farmers. Its a European component just as valuable the European gene pool as Western Hunter Gatherers and or WSH (Western Steppe Herders). Its not like one strain is better than the other. Europeans carry all 3 just in varying percentages. It amazes me the amount of false information out there! Go with proven scientific reassearch not peoples opinion on it.



What the fuck are you talking about? I have told that EEF is a mix of ANF(nearly 90%!) and WHG. WHG became minorities on their own lands, and later Yamnaya(EHG+CHG) invaded them all and conquered almost the entire Europe during the Early Bronze Age!

[The Sun King]

Thanks! :)

Here is your H1n.

https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/H1n/story

https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/H1n/notable

https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/H1n/ancient

https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/H1n/path

Thanks! I appreciate you pulling that up.

[The Sun King]

What the fuck are you talking about? I have told that EEF is a mix of ANF(nearly 90%!) and WHG. WHG became minorities on their own lands, and later Yamnaya(EHG+CHG) invaded them all and conquered almost the entire Europe during the Early Bronze Age!

No. Just no. And so what? Yes there was a population replacement and? Thats a very simplelistic view. Theres so much more to it than this group conquered this group! You have too take into consideration many things like the plague and other factors. Like weaponry and such that the Yamnaya had a distinct advantage. Doesnt prove superiority of the Yamnaya. At all. Imagine for example someone taking your wife and you not fighting back? They didn't just conquer without a fight. And in that fight they had Chariots that gave them an advantage And no they didn't conquer everything . Again simplelistic. Neolithic Haplogroups survived thats why you see Haplogroups E,J G2a and T found across Europe. Just more in the South. E V13 is found in abundance in Southern Europeans. J aswell. Now if you want to get picky yes G2a and T were "conquered" but still found. G2a in the Alps and T in Phoenicians!

[Rumata]

I'm OK with it

[The Sun King]

I'm OK with it

Ok with what? An agenda? Or scientifically speaking?

[Radegast]

Nicola Tesla was R1a-Z280 as I am...:rolleyes:

#teamThomasEdison and direct current

must crush AC


Is alternating current harmful?
Przegląd od AI
Yes, AC (Alternating Current) is dangerous and potentially lethal. It is often considered more dangerous than DC (Direct Current) at the same voltage because its 50-60 Hz frequency can cause continuous muscle contraction ("let-go" threshold), stopping you from releasing the wire, and it is more likely to cause fatal ventricular fibrillation (heart rhythm disruption).

[Rumata]

Ok with what? An agenda? Or scientifically speaking?

I'm OK with it whatever it is. Idk which one is mine

[The Sun King]

Didn't we learn anything from the holocaust? The Aryan race nonsense. Its been debunked by science! You are aware of it right? Ok if im wrong where is the proof of such a race and in what way are they superior? Documented evidence. Where? No where because its nonsense!

[Isinimo]

No. Just no. And so what? Yes there was a population replacement and? Thats a very simplelistic view. Theres so much more to it than this group conquered this group! You have too take into consideration many things like the plague and other factors. Like weaponry and such that the Yamnaya had a distinct advantage. Doesnt prove superiority of the Yamnaya. At all. Imagine for example someone taking your wife and you not fighting back? They didn't just conquer without a fight. And in that fight they had Chariots that gave them an advantage And no they didn't conquer everything . Again simplelistic. Neolithic Haplogroups survived thats why you see Haplogroups E,J G2a and T found across Europe. Just more in the South. E V13 is found in abundance in Southern Europeans. J aswell. Now if you want to get picky yes G2a and T were "conquered" but still found. G2a in the Alps and T in Phoenicians!

J has been found in Europe during the Mesolithic, way earlier than E, G2a, and T. Have some respect.

[The Sun King]

Anyway believe what you want and categorical hierarchies of Haplogroups and a strict pecking order. To me its a very dark way too look at humanity. For me anyway.

[Figaro]

Not my exact specific subclade, but cool to see an mtdna N1b recently found in a Roman era Judaen sample: https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/comments/1rldkrw/new_roman_era_judean_samples/

[The Sun King]

J has been found in Europe during the Mesolithic, way earlier than E, G2a, and T. Have some respect.

No where did I insult Haplogroup J. No where!

[Isinimo]

No where did I insult Haplogroup J. No where!

The reductionist view that J is just a Neolithic group is very insulting indeed. It's just not true. It's more than that.

[Opie]

Of course I'm proud it shows that my ancestors were conquerors.

[nittionia]

My paternal line is J and my maternal line is K :)

[The Sun King]

The reductionist view that J is just a Neolithic group is very insulting indeed. It's just not true.

Theres nothing wrong with Neolithic haplogroups! Thats actually insulting.

[Opie]

This is my favourite thread on TA :)
What I like most about it is that somehow Poles are more diverse here than in statistics: Kostek is I2, Fistora I1, cass R1a, Peterski R1b and Roy E-V13. Means that TA Poles literally slay.

On the other hand, most Turks here are R1b like me. We don't have much diversity here.

[Opie]

I'm OK with it

R1a? Or Circassian G2a?

[Figaro]

My paternal line is J and my maternal line is K :)

Any clues as to how your J ended up in NE Germany?

[The Sun King]

Of course I'm proud it shows that my ancestors were conquerors.

So are mine! Sure im proud of the languages and inventions. Not the killing though. Nothing to be proud about killing?

[The Sun King]

If look highly upon genocide thats your own moral compass. I want nothing to do with it. I want no "blood" on my hands!

[Rumata]

R1a? Or Circassian G2a?

Idk my haplogroup but my father is still Russian:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?402924-Pass-Rumata-and-Anatolya-in-Turkey&p=8367207&viewfull=1#post8367207

The right bottom is my Russian father and the left bottom is my Adyghe grandfather.

[nittionia]

Any clues as to how your J ended up in NE Germany?

Not really. It's J2b2 and my dad shows some SE euro in different calculators, but I have not been able to trace further back than mid 1800s yet on that side

[Rumata]

My paternal line is J and my maternal line is K :)

takes an R to make a JoKeR ;)

[nittionia]

takes an R to make a JoKeR ;)

My maternal grandfather is R :D

[Isinimo]

Theres nothing wrong with Neolithic haplogroups! Thats actually insulting.

Rest assured. Everyone likes bread.

[Rumata]

My maternal grandfather is R :D

Congratulations. Btw here's a smile for you :joke0001:

:D

[Opie]

Idk my haplogroup but my father is still Russian:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?402924-Pass-Rumata-and-Anatolya-in-Turkey&p=8367207&viewfull=1#post8367207

Paternally Russian line?

[Opie]

So are mine! Sure im proud of the languages and inventions. Not the killing though. Nothing to be proud about killing?

Chill, Yamnaya were not mindless killers.

[Rumata]

R1a? Or Circassian G2a?

Circassians have a share of R1a among other groups too.
East Circassians (Kabarda) - left. Adyghea republic Circasssians - center
https://www.zolka.ru/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%8B%D0%B3%D0%B8.png

[Isinimo]

Chill, Yamnaya were not mindless killers.

CHG were definitely mindless killers though. Yes, I'm proud of them for that.

[black hole]

No. Just no. And so what? Yes there was a population replacement and? Thats a very simplelistic view. Theres so much more to it than this group conquered this group! You have too take into consideration many things like the plague and other factors. Like weaponry and such that the Yamnaya had a distinct advantage. Doesnt prove superiority of the Yamnaya. At all. Imagine for example someone taking your wife and you not fighting back? They didn't just conquer without a fight. And in that fight they had Chariots that gave them an advantage And no they didn't conquer everything . Again simplelistic. Neolithic Haplogroups survived thats why you see Haplogroups E,J G2a and T found across Europe. Just more in the South. E V13 is found in abundance in Southern Europeans. J aswell. Now if you want to get picky yes G2a and T were "conquered" but still found. G2a in the Alps and T in Phoenicians!



G2a is a dominant Neolithic haplogroup, not E1b1b, J2 or T, the later three HG spread during the Neolithic


Do you recognize him?

https://i.imgur.com/EKwG1jQ.jpg



Yes, they G2a were the first farmers (NEOLITHIC guys) who spread their agriculture across Europe while WHG ancestors literally lived like negroes in African jungles.
Originally E1b are Natufians, and J2 are Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers.
G and J are closest neighbors with different paths

[Opie]

Circassians have a share of R1a among other groups too.
East Circassians (Kabarda) - left. Adyghea republic Circasssians - center
https://www.zolka.ru/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%8B%D0%B3%D0%B8.png

Yes, but they are predominantly G2a. What is surprising that their lands are within the birthplace of Yamnaya but only a tiny fraction of them have R-L23.

[Opie]

CHG were definitely mindless killers though.

Source?

[Benyzero]

takes an R to make a JoKeR ;)

It makes a coomer as well

[Rumata]

Yes, but they are predominantly G2a. What is surprising that their lands are within the birthplace of Yamnaya but only a tiny fraction of them have R-L23.

If it's the real area of Yamnaya, then it was exactly on the border of historical Circassian land as I see it
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Jamnaja_kultura.png/500px-Jamnaja_kultura.png

Yes, my father is Russian and my maternal grandfather was Adyghe

[Opie]

If look highly upon genocide thats your own moral compass. I want nothing to do with it. I want no "blood" on my hands!

I perceive Yamnaya as conquerors not genociders. If that was the case, Europe would be automosally 100% Yamnaya, but it is mostly ANF.

[Benyzero]

Chill, Yamnaya were not mindless killers.

no they were premediated killers

[black hole]

Yes, but they are predominantly G2a. What is surprising that their lands are within the birthplace of Yamnaya but only a tiny fraction of them have R-L23.




Unlike those G, J were daring, extreme and active who interacted with pastoralists and took their females as brides and made a huge genetic pool. See the genetics of the modern population of East Caucasus. Georgian and Circassian ancestors were passive who lived isolated and conservative life.

[Opie]

If it's the real area of Yamnaya, then it was exactly on the border of historical Circassian land as I see it
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Jamnaja_kultura.png/500px-Jamnaja_kultura.png

Yes, my father is Russian and my maternal grandfather was Adyghe

No surprise Yamnaya were half CHG. The contribution was automosal not in terms of haplogroups.

[Isinimo]

Source?

You can never take a joke.

[Opie]

Unlike those G, J were daring, extreme and active who interacted with pastoralists and took their females as brides and made a huge genetic pool. See the genetics of the modern population of East Caucasus. Georgian and Circassian ancestors were passive who lived isolated and conservative life.

Georgians literally have zero EHG. It's literally their mark. Azeris, Armenains etc. all have some EHG to some extent. Circassians have Yamnaya ancestry but a little less than Northeastern Caucasians. In Caucasus, Yamnaya peaks at Avars and Dargins iirc.

[Opie]

You can never take a joke.

There was no implication it was a joke. Anyway, we should move on and stop judging the past based on our modern values.

[Rumata]

Unlike those G, J were daring, extreme and active who interacted with pastoralists and took their females as brides and made a huge genetic pool. See the genetics of the modern population of East Caucasus. Georgian and Circassian ancestors were passive who lived isolated and conservative life.

Idk. Before the war with RE Circassians owned the biggest and the best land in North Caucasus

[black hole]

Georgians literally have zero EHG. It's literally their mark. Azeris, Armenains etc. all have some EHG to some extent. Circassians have Yamnaya ancestry but a little less than Northeastern Caucasians. In Caucasus, Yamnaya peaks at Avars and Dargins iirc.



Circassian lineage known as aristocrats with pride, they probably did not dare to do anything with foreigners back then, Georgians were isolated and they were more closer to Neolithic farmers (strong Georgian CHG + a significant amount of ANF). Northeast Caucasians are completely opposite in this case. High Yamnaya peak starts from Chechnya and ends in Southern Dagestan. Indo-European speakers like Ossetians and Armenians have this component at a low degree. Modern results show and prove.

[black hole]

Idk. Before the war with RE Circassians owned the biggest and the best land in North Caucasus




Well it was happened in the middle ages, it is a completely different history.

[Sonny001]

You should be G2a is a very interesting haplogroup. Do you know what subclade you are in? Its just as European as R and I. I mean how long do you have to be in Europe to be considered European? Also never downplay the importance of agriculture to human civilization. Nothing to be unproud of rather the opposite. Another case would be E V13 its also a Neolithic lineage and its European. The V13 mutation happened in south eastern Europe. Theres a lot of misinformation out there by people with agendas one must be careful to separate science from fringe radicals on blogs.

G2a/J2 civillization builders
R1a/R1b civillization stealers/occupyers

[Opie]

G2a/J2 civillization builders
R1a/R1b civillization stealers/occupyers

cope

[happycow]

I'm proud to be G2a

My man. :nod:

[black hole]

https://i.postimg.cc/KcNDj9Ws/622001976-708907298969346-846438170455428747-n.jpg



TWO MAJOR Y-DNA HAPLOGROUPS THAT SHAPED EURASIA: R1a vs J2 (THE STEPPE HIGHWAY vs THE CITY-AND-SEA WORLD)
Zane History Buff — these are paternal lineages (father → son). Not “races,” not “tribes,” not “nationalities.” Just deep male-line branches that rode huge population expansions across thousands of years.
If Eurasia is a giant historical chessboard, R1a and J2 are two of the most important “paternal signatures” stamped across it. They don’t tell you your full ancestry—but they do tell you about one very specific thread: your direct fatherline, one father per generation, stretching back into prehistory.
⸻
1) R1a — THE STEPPE HIGHWAY LINE
🐎 The core story
R1a is often associated with the great Bronze Age movement corridors across Eastern Europe, Central Asia, and into South Asia. Its most famous “big expansion moment” is linked to populations carrying substantial steppe ancestry during the 3rd–2nd millennia BCE, when mobile pastoralist societies and their descendants spread widely.
⏳ Timeline (big picture)
• Before ~3000 BCE: Europe and western Eurasia are dominated by a mix of early farmers and older hunter-gatherer lineages.
• ~3000–2000 BCE (Bronze Age): steppe-linked expansions transform genetic, cultural, and linguistic landscapes across large parts of Eurasia.
• Iron Age → Medieval: later population growth, elite formation, migrations, and state-building amplify some male lines further.
🧭 Why it spread so widely (mechanisms)
R1a’s large footprint fits a pattern seen in many expansions:
• high mobility (horse/wagon culture, seasonal movement, long-distance networks)
• open terrain advantages (forest-steppe, plains, river corridors)
• founder effects (some male lines multiply fast if they sit in the right social structure)
• warrior + patronage dynamics (not “one conquest,” but repeated waves where some male lines become over-represented)
🧬 Key sub-branches people talk about (useful, but keep it broad)
• R1a-M417 is a major trunk branch often discussed in Bronze Age expansions.
• A large downstream split often used in popular summaries:
• R1a-Z282: more common across Eastern/Central Europe (often strong in many Slavic-speaking regions, but not exclusive to them).
• R1a-Z93: more common across parts of Central/South Asia (again: not exclusive, but prominent).
Zane rule: haplogroups don’t equal languages. But expansions can overlap with language spread because people move with families, not just words.
🗺️ Where it shows up today (broadly)
• Strong presence in parts of Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, and wider Central/Eastern Europe.
• Significant presence across parts of Central Asia and South Asia in different sub-branches.
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2) J2 — THE CITY-AND-SEA LINE
🌾🏛️ The core story
J2 is often associated with the long arc from the Fertile Crescent / Near East into the Mediterranean world—a lineage frequently found in regions tied to early agricultural intensification, cities, trade networks, and empires.
If R1a is the “horse-road” signature, J2 is the “market-road” signature.
⏳ Timeline (big picture)
• Neolithic era (starting ~9000–6000 BCE in the Near East): agriculture and settled life expand outward in multiple waves.
• Bronze Age city systems (~3000–1200 BCE): trade routes and imperial hubs intensify movement across Anatolia, the Aegean, the Levant, Mesopotamia, and beyond.
• Classical → Roman → Medieval: ports, armies, administrators, and merchants move constantly, spreading lineages through urban centers and coastlines.
🚢 Why it spread (mechanisms)
J2’s footprint is consistent with:
• dense settlement zones (river valleys, fertile plains)
• urbanization (cities draw people in; cities generate “genetic gravity”)
• trade corridors (ports and caravan routes connect distant regions)
• state systems (armies, administrators, and colonists move under imperial structures)
🧬 Important sub-branches (broad)
• J2a often discussed in contexts tied to Anatolia/Caucasus/parts of the Mediterranean
• J2b often discussed across parts of the Balkans/Italy/Mediterranean corridors
(These are simplifications, but helpful for audience-friendly storytelling.)
🗺️ Where it shows up today (broadly)
• Common across parts of Italy, Greece/Aegean, Anatolia/Turkey, the Levant, the Caucasus, and pockets around the Mediterranean and Near East.
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3) R1a vs J2 — SAME GAME, DIFFERENT ENGINES
✅ Similarities (why both became “major”)
Both became widespread because they were amplified by the same deep rules of population history:
• expansion + reproduction, not “one event”
• founder effects: some male lines multiply faster than others
• network advantage: being on a corridor (steppe highway or trade highway) changes everything
• layering: Bronze Age and Neolithic foundations later get reshaped by empires, migrations, plagues, and state formation
🔥 Differences (their “map logic”)
R1a = often strongest where land-mobility corridors dominate
• steppe/forest-steppe/plains and big river routes
• expansion patterns consistent with Bronze Age steppe-linked demographic shifts
J2 = often strongest where urban + trade ecosystems dominate
• fertile basins, coastal routes, city networks
• expansion patterns consistent with Neolithic-to-Bronze Age “civilization corridors” and later Mediterranean/imperial movement
⸻
4) COMMON MISUNDERSTANDINGS (THE STUFF DNA TESTS DON’T EXPLAIN WELL)
❌ “R1a = one ethnicity”
No. R1a exists across many cultures and languages. A haplogroup is older than modern identities by thousands of years.
❌ “J2 = Greeks / Phoenicians / Romans”
J2 is broader than any one ancient people. Ancient Mediterranean civilizations were genetically mixed and constantly moving.
❌ “My haplogroup tells me my full ancestry”
No. Your Y-DNA haplogroup is one line. You have:
• 2 parents
• 4 grandparents
• 8 great-grandparents
• 16…32…64…
Within 10 generations you have over 1,000 ancestors. Your Y-line is just one of them.
So haplogroups are best used as history lenses, not identity cages.
⸻
5) ZANE HISTORY BUFF MINI-STORY VERSION
Imagine two brothers separated by geography in deep time:
• One follows the grasslands, learns the rhythm of horses, wagons, seasonal movement, and long distance corridors. His descendants spread across the plains and forests. That’s R1a energy.
• The other follows the fertile valleys, the ports, the marketplaces, the city-states, the empire roads, the merchant routes. His descendants spread where civilization concentrates people. That’s J2 energy.
Two lineages. Two engines. One Eurasian story.
⸻
ZANE HISTORY BUFF TAKEAWAY
🧬 R1a is the signature of the steppe highway: land mobility, wide corridors, big Bronze Age demographic waves.
🧬 J2 is the signature of the city-and-sea world: agriculture-to-urban networks, trade routes, and imperial movement.
And neither one is “a nationality.”
They’re deep paternal threads woven into the human tapestry.
#DNA #Haplogroups #R1a #J2 #AncientHistory #Genetics #Ancestry #ZaneHistoryBuff
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Actual Sources
• David W. Anthony, The Horse, the Wheel, and Language (2007)
• David Reich, Who We Are and How We Got Here (2018)
• Kristian Kristiansen et al., key papers on Bronze Age mobility and steppe ancestry (2015–2018)
• Iain Mathieson et al., large-scale ancient DNA studies of European population change (2015–2018)
• Peter Bellwood, First Farmers (2005; later editions)
• Standard Y-chromosome phylogeny references and peer-reviewed population genetics syntheses used in haplogroup mapping (academic overviews)

[Isinimo]

G2a/J2 civillization builders
R1a/R1b civillization stealers/occupyers

Truthnuke.

[Isinimo]

cope

No, you cope.

[Isinimo]

So far there are two closest ancient samples that share a subclade of J-BY61128 with me, one is a medieval crusader (predominately Anatolian) and the latest from the Akbari samples is an Iron Age sample from the Levant also J-BY61128, though these two samples do share a later clade with eachother under J-FTD7052. So I wonder if it's semitic (like the other J-CTS900+ lineages Samaritans have) or KAC-mediated input. Hmm, so many questions.

[gixajo]

I'm OK with it whatever it is. Idk which one is mine

I am a Spaniard with a Ydna R1a-Z280,so it would be poetic justice if you were a Russian with an R1b-DF27.

It would be a way to balance the universe.

[~Elizabeth~]

My favorite male haplogroups are R!b-L21 and I1.


Here is what Google AI overview says about them:

Haplogroups R1b-L21 and I1 are two of the most significant paternal lineages in European genetic history, representing distinct migration waves and cultural associations.



R1b-L21: The "Atlantic Celtic" Lineage

R1b-L21 is the dominant paternal lineage in the British Isles and northwestern France, often referred to as the "Insular Celtic" or "Atlantic Celtic" marker.

Origin & Age: It likely formed around 2650–2700 BCE in the coastal lowlands of the North Sea or Lower Rhine region.

Migration: It arrived in Britain and Ireland around 2400 BCE with the Bell Beaker migration. This movement was so substantial that it replaced nearly 90% of the Neolithic male population in Britain within a few centuries.

Geography: It reaches its highest frequencies in Ireland (50-90%), the Scottish Highlands, Wales, and Brittany.

Cultural Links: It is strongly associated with Gaelic, Brythonic, and Pictish tribes. Notable historical dynasties linked to this lineage include the O'Neills and O'Briens of Ireland, and Scottish clans like the MacDonalds and Campbells.



I1: The "Viking" or "Scandinavian" Lineage

Haplogroup I1 (defined by the marker M253) is considered the quintessential Scandinavian haplogroup and is the most identifiable marker for Viking heritage.

Origin: Unlike R1b, which migrated into Europe during the Bronze Age, Haplogroup I is one of the few lineages that originated within Europe itself among Paleolithic hunter-gatherers.

Geography: It is most common in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Iceland, as well as parts of Finland and northern Germany.

Historical Spread: It spread throughout Europe primarily during the Viking Age and the Great Migration Period (Völkerwanderung), appearing today in significant frequencies in the British Isles, Normandy, and Sicily where Norsemen settled.

[J. Ketch]

My favorite male haplogroups are R!b-L21 and I1.


Here is what Google AI overview says about them:

Haplogroups R1b-L21 and I1 are two of the most significant paternal lineages in European genetic history, representing distinct migration waves and cultural associations.



R1b-L21: The "Atlantic Celtic" Lineage

R1b-L21 is the dominant paternal lineage in the British Isles and northwestern France, often referred to as the "Insular Celtic" or "Atlantic Celtic" marker.

Origin & Age: It likely formed around 2650–2700 BCE in the coastal lowlands of the North Sea or Lower Rhine region.

Migration: It arrived in Britain and Ireland around 2400 BCE with the Bell Beaker migration. This movement was so substantial that it replaced nearly 90% of the Neolithic male population in Britain within a few centuries.

Geography: It reaches its highest frequencies in Ireland (50-90%), the Scottish Highlands, Wales, and Brittany.

Cultural Links: It is strongly associated with Gaelic, Brythonic, and Pictish tribes. Notable historical dynasties linked to this lineage include the O'Neills and O'Briens of Ireland, and Scottish clans like the MacDonalds and Campbells.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_IlNbsILLE

[celticdragongod]

G2a/J2 civillization builders
R1a/R1b civillization stealers/occupyers

Yes but G2a and J2 were farmers who stole the land from the hunter-gatherers. R1a and R1b were descendants of the hunter-gatherers who took the land back.

[Isinimo]

Yes but G2a and J2 were farmers who stole the land from the hunter-gatherers. R1a and R1b were descendants of the hunter-gatherers who took the land back.

Conquered not stolen, we were all hunter-gatherers at one point.

[Opie]

Yes but G2a and J2 were farmers who stole the land from the hunter-gatherers. R1a and R1b were descendants of the hunter-gatherers who took the land back.

Is R1 ANE or WHG?

WHG is more like I and C. I assume it’s ANE.

[celticdragongod]

Conquered not stolen, we were all hunter-gatherers at one point.

But the farmers were from Anatolia, not Europe. The farmers were invaders who stole the land from European hunter-gatherers.

[celticdragongod]

Is R1 ANE or WHG?

WHG is more like I and C. I assume it’s ANE.

From what I understand, R!b remains were found in Italy that date back over 10,000 years.

[Isinimo]

From what I understand, R!b remains were found in Italy that date back over 10,000 years.

Villabruna1 had significant amount of ANE blood, no way is R1b indigenous to WHG. Malta Boy is a representative for ANE and he is Basal R-M207 (R*).

[Isinimo]

Is R1 ANE or WHG?

WHG is more like I and C. I assume it’s ANE.

It’s pinnacle ANE alongside Q and even some P-P226 * found today.

[celticdragongod]

Villabruna1 had significant amount of ANE blood, no way is R1b indigenous to WHG. Malta Boy is a representative for ANE and he is Basal R-M207 (R*).

But R1b has been in Europe longer than G2a and J2.