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Artek
04-20-2013, 11:37 AM
R1a indo-european pastoralists were turkicised(language shift), not the othey way around. Probably through maternal side or due to the conquest. Look at the Hungarians, hardly "Hunnic" today.

Argument about higher percentages in Turkics than in Iranians doesn't make sense to me. Haven't learned yet, that it may have varied greatly in the past? Not to say that most of this high R1a percentages is a result of bottleknecks and/or founder effects. R1a in Kyrgyzs is relatively young, has very low diversity compared to the Iranian R1a.
You should face the facts, those lads were ancestrally Indo-European.

Try to learn more about expansion and subclades of R1a1a, then make statements because discussing with you is currently pointless.

Proto-Shaman
08-22-2013, 01:15 AM
R1a indo-european pastoralists were turkicised(language shift), not the othey way around. Probably through maternal side or due to the conquest. Look at the Hungarians, hardly "Hunnic" today.
Yup, face the facts... Slavisized Finno-Ugrians and Turks (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?90660-Slavisized-Finno-Ugrians-and-Turks).


Argument about higher percentages in Turkics than in Iranians doesn't make sense to me. Haven't learned yet, that it may have varied greatly in the past? Not to say that most of this high R1a percentages is a result of bottleknecks and/or founder effects. R1a in Kyrgyzs is relatively young, has very low diversity compared to the Iranian R1a.
You should face the facts, those lads were ancestrally Indo-European.

Try to learn more about expansion and subclades of R1a1a, then make statements because discussing with you is currently pointless.
Yup, face the facts... Aryan R1a = Turkic ? (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?89241-Aryan-R1a-Turkic)

Annihilus
08-22-2013, 05:51 PM
I didn't know you were L342.2, when did you get tested, you have Ysearch?