Does a biracial child look less "nonwhite" when the mother is the nonwhite one?

[Sikeliot]

I have heard that this is true.. that if a child is half white and half non-white.. If the mother is the non-white one, the child will look whiter or more ambiguous, than when the father is non-white. And if the father is non-white, the child will be more identifiably non-white, of whatever their non-white half is.

Is this true? For instance does a half white, half black child with a black mother look whiter, on average, than when the father is black? Do mestizos look whiter when the mother is Amerindian?

I think it may be true. Most Hispanic mixes, for instance mestizos and mulattos, as well as Cape Verdeans are a multigenerational mixture of a founding population of black or Amerindian women with Spanish men. And often times, I have found that Hispanics on 23andme are more non-white genetically than what their appearance suggests. And the non-white inputs into their populations mainly came from non-European women who were reproducing with Spanish men.

[StonyArabia]

No, my dad is white, but my mom is not white, I look more like my mom.

[Sikeliot]

No, my dad is white, but my mom is not white, I look more like my mom.

I find in general that even in cases with "exotic" white parent versus a standard European look, if the father is the more exotic one, the child is more exotic. For instance, most Italian-Irish mixes look more Italian when the father is Italian, and Irish when the mother is the Italian one. Same thing with the Greek and Lebanese mixes I know.. when the father is Lebanese the children look it, and when the mother is, the child does not.

[Smeagol]

I don't think so.

[Neanderthal]

Yes, I know a couple cases. There was this Belgian-Mexican chick with an English dad and very Mestizo looking Mexican mom, and she came out looking fully white.

[Sikeliot]

Yes, I know a couple of cases. There was this Belgian-Mexican chick with an English dad and very Mestizo looking Mexican mom, and she came out looking fully white.

Do you think, then, that since most of the Amerindian input into Mexican mestizos has historically been from Amerindian women, that mestizos would look darker today if Spanish women and Amerindian men had made the basis of the population?

[Tropico]

No that's crap. A biracial child is a mix of both parents. No way they whether the father is white and mother is black vs white mother and black father. No I mean TRUE biracials. Nobody better post some bullshit Afram/White American mixes since we know Aframs vary in admixture,.

[Bobby Six Killer]

White+Black = Black

[Neanderthal]

Do you think, then, that since most of the Amerindian input into Mexican mestizos has historically been from Amerindian women, that mestizos would look darker today if Spanish women and Amerindian men had made the basis of the population?

Yes IMO.

[Sikeliot]

Yes IMO.

And it makes sense too because I have seen a lot of Dominicans who look much more white than their DNA suggests on ABF, and we know the African input into their population is through African women.

[Tropico]

And it makes sense too because I have seen a lot of Dominicans who look much more white than their DNA suggests on ABF, and we know the African input into their population is through African women.

Do you have a valid hypothesis on why?

[Sikeliot]

Do you have a valid hypothesis on why?

Evolutionary development because a mother knows a child is hers, but only a DNA test or looking like the father can prove its his.

[Tropico]

Evolutionary development because a mother knows a child is hers, but only a DNA test or looking like the father can prove its his.

What does that have to do with the fathers autosomal phenotypic DNA taking precedence over the mothers? I really wish non bio majors on here would take simple genetics courses or at least bio 1 and 2 classes so they could try to understand inheritance and population genetics. Sometimes you guys say comments that are completely unsupported my modern genetics. Or ideas that have no rational backing.

[Neanderthal]

What does that have to do with the fathers autosomal phenotypic DNA taking precedence over the mothers? I really wish non bio majors on here would take simple genetics courses or at least bio 1 and 2 classes so they could try to understand inheritance and population genetics. Sometimes you guys say comments that are completely unsupported my modern genetics. Or ideas that have no rational backing.

Ricky, I think you're either trolling or taking some sort of 'secret biology' classes since you seem to have been taught concepts nobody else have has, nor me in my classes, not my girlfriend at medical school, I even had a chat with 2 of her microbiology/genetic teachers about your 'theory' of chromosome inheritance and both told me it doesn't work that way, I asked you for medical sources and you gave me nothing. I'd gladly read a book about the very basics of this, if you have a source(?)

[Lux Aeterna]

Logically the result is the same regardless, ofcourse. But I think some would like to claim the offspring would look whiter if the man is white, to convince themselves race mixing is more okey when males do it, and still can condemn females who do the same.

[Sikeliot]

Logically the result is the same regardless, ofcourse. But I think some would like to claim the offspring would look whiter if the man is white, to convince themselves race mixing is more okey when males do it, and still can condemn females who do the same.

Oh my reason for asking wasn't to do with that. In my experience the child actually is lighter when the man is white.

[1stLightHorse]

I knew a Tongan girl from a White colonial father over a tongan mother.

Her facial structure was extremely european. The only thing noticably tongan was her skin colour. People thought she was italian.

I've observed what you're talking about and i think it's true for the most part.

[Anonymous211]

Same ...

[Anonymous211]

No, my dad is white, but my mom is not white, I look more like my mom.

Generally father is arab and mother is white, very rare mother arab father white

[Incal]

Not really. It's just a matter of chance. As master Agrippa would say: Pure recombination. Like the roulette.

[Lux Aeterna]

Oh my reason for asking wasn't to do with that. In my experience the child actually is lighter when the man is white.

Not blaming you in particular, but there are several guys with that agenda for personal/emotional reasons. But let's just pick an example from this forum, like Gigolo, his dad is white yet he looks like a male version of his gypsy mom, he's just a little lighter.

[Bobby Six Killer]

Not blaming you in particular, but there are several guys with that agenda for personal/emotional reasons. But let's just pick an example from this forum, like Gigolo, his dad is white yet he looks like a male version of his gypsy mom, he's just a little lighter.

Hassad?

[SilverKnight]

Genes vary greatly. I seen in Miami a white -german man and a very black lady,. the girl looked like any other white girl her age,

[Bobby Six Killer]

Genes vary greatly. I seen in Miami a white -german man and a very black lady,. the girl looked like any other white girl her age,

Nigga please

[Tropico]

Think about it. In the process of gamete formation the gamete is made up of 23 chromosomes, 22 being autosomal and one being the sex chromosome. To form the gamete the original adults DNA must be evenly split into half. So the gamete will have only 23 chromosomes. Now obviously the adult forming the gamete inherited its DNA form its parents so its half its mother half its father. But what process in meiosis do you know off which selects the DNA evenly between the adult's parents DNA? I know of none. Its completely random. When the gamete is formed the new gamete simply selects half of the adults DNA but it makes no distinction on if the parents DNA is an even split of the adults own parents DNA. There isnt one process (as modern genetics has yet detected) that proves this. EVEN if the gamete inherited 50% of its DNA from each grandparent it would have 11 chromosomes from one grandparent and 12 from the other since you cannot evenly divide 23 by 2. This is shows a subtle leaning of genetic closeness to one grandparent of the other. The point here is that meiosis simply takes the hosts DNA and divides it by two to form the gamete BUT there is NO process in the gametes formation which selects the adults DNA and selects an even inheritance from its grandparents autosomal DNA. If there is a process you know of that does this please state so. But as far as I have read and studied there is none. The gamete simply selects half of its parents DNA. In the DNA when the mother and fathers DNA merge into one being the body no longer has recognition of which parts came from which parents it all merges into one unique chromosomal fingerprint. The gamete has no way of differentiating which parts of the now very mixed and recombined DNA came from which grandparent so its simply selects half its hosts DNA.

[SilverKnight]

Nigga please


Dude, I have no time to be making shit, I saw it an I'm sharing it.

[Bobby Six Killer]

Dude, I have no time to be making shit, I saw it an I'm sharing it.

No offense Carnal, but Black+white most of times, their kids turn out to light a few shades. Still it's pretty obvious the SSA input.

But it would be nice if you can post pics everynow and then of this cases, also to see how black the parent is.

the kid is like 75% white
http://www.judiciaryreport.com/images/halle-berry-nahla-2-4-11-1.jpg
and looks obviously SSA influenced despite of her Blonde hair.

[Tropico]

Heres a little diagram. In this illusion the geneticists assume that they know which half is the mother and which half is the fathers in the original cell but there is no real mechanism to prove that the original DNA in the original cell separates like this. BUT it shows that out of the 4 gametes formed in the process they ARE NOT genetically identical and each have a varying amount of each grandparents autosomal DNA. So if this is how modern genetics is understood to work how in the hell is each child possibly 1/4 of each grandparent when the gametes arent even 1/2 of each grandparent? Recombination allows each gamete to be an uneven inheritance and increases genetic diversity.
http://img.bhs4.com/D3/5/D354301C99BC4FD611C50979A57ECDA6CA9533FB_large.jpg

[Neanderthal]

I get it ricky, I was only talking of the cases I know, tho I guess some people like the idea of it being totally random for emotional/personal reasons.

[Tropico]

Further explanation on recombination and unequal inheritance from grandparents due to recombination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVMb4Js99tA

[Tropico]

I get it ricky, I was only talking of the cases I know, tho I guess some people like the idea of it being totally random for emotional/personal reasons.

Sorry for the over explanation. Just bothers me when non bio majors seriously think that Apricity has taught them more about genetics and inheritance than (so far 2 years of University in Bio classes) me. All of this is what I learned in simply bio 1 and 2 and now im taking cell biology and genetics. Yet people think Apricity really taught them more on genetics than actual college level courses. lol

[Neanderthal]

Is there any pattern to follow for genes to recombine? I mean, let say a White couple with some African on both sides, it is possible for them to have a phenotypically Black kid? Like the South African apartheid case, and if possible, what are the odds of full phenotypical recombination with a gene pool of less than say 10% Black?

[SilverKnight]

No offense Carnal, but Black+white most of times, their kids turn out to light a few shades. Still it's pretty obvious the SSA input.

But it would be nice if you can post pics everynow and then of this cases, also to see how black the parent is.

the kid is like 75% white

and looks obviously SSA influenced despite of her Blonde hair.


Jessica Alba is half white (father) half Mexican Mother, she still shows the Amerind, clearly in eyes and cheek bones.

http://s13.postimg.org/g5z0vr0lz/q_NDMl.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
subir imagenes (http://postimage.org/index.php?lang=spanish)



Half black Nigerian half white (UK) one looks pseudo-East African, the other looks mostly white.

http://s13.postimg.org/3q2b2079z/image.jpg (http://postimage.org/)




This girl is Half Filipino/ White, she clearly shows both. Could easily pass for Mexican.


http://s13.postimg.org/6ivim17mf/vanessahudgens1.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
sube fotos (http://postimage.org/index.php?lang=spanish)


So do you see ? ... Genes are to complex bro, and unless there's an official study to conclude which is more recessive (commonly) then we don't have a say, only opinions. How does that sound?

[Tropico]

Is there any pattern to follow for genes to recombine? I mean, let say a White couple with some African on both sides, it is possible for them to have a phenotypically Black kid? Like the South African apartheid case, and if possible, what are the odds of full phenotypical recombination with a gene pool of less than say 10% Black?

Statistically VERY LOW but not impossible. That's the point of recombination. But what I meant to explain is that it has no effect on which parent is white or non white since they is no genetic preferity in male vs female inheritance.

[Neanderthal]

Sorry for the over explanation. Just bothers me when non bio majors seriously think that Apricity has taught them more about genetics and inheritance than (so far 2 years of University in Bio classes) me. All of this is what I learned in simply bio 1 and 2 and now im taking cell biology and genetics. Yet people think Apricity really taught them more on genetics than actual college level courses. lol

I guess is the lack of instruction; i'm personally always reading academical articles on everything I find interesting, I find most 'scientific articles' on magazines and websites (specially the later) to not be very reliable.

[Bobby Six Killer]

Jessica Alba is half white (father) half Mexican Mother, she still shows the Amerind, clearly in eyes and cheek bones.

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Half black Nigerian half white (UK) one looks pseudo-East African, the other looks mostly white.

http://s13.postimg.org/3q2b2079z/image.jpg (http://postimage.org/)




This girl is Half Filipino/ White, she clearly shows both. Could easily pass for Mexican.


http://s13.postimg.org/6ivim17mf/vanessahudgeg (http://postimage.org/)


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So do you see ? ... Genes are to complex bro, and unless there's an official study to conclude which is more recessive (commonly) then we don't have a say, only opinions. How does that sound?

I think Jessica Alba's dad is very dark. With obvious SSA input. no more than 40% Euro However those DNA tests of George Lopez are obviously fake. She looks really mestiza

[RandoBloom]

I find in general that even in cases with "exotic" white parent versus a standard European look, if the father is the more exotic one, the child is more exotic. For instance, most Italian-Irish mixes look more Italian when the father is Italian, and Irish when the mother is the Italian one. Same thing with the Greek and Lebanese mixes I know.. when the father is Lebanese the children look it, and when the mother is, the child does not.

Mix milk and coffee. You will get your answer.

[Formozgan]

I think the outcome of how a biracial can look like depends on way many more factors than the sex of the perpetrators.

[Tropico]

That's not even Jessica Alba.

[Bobby Six Killer]

Jessica Alba skinny pred centralid woman

http://ts1.explicit.bing.net/th?id=H.4525316135062468&pid=15.1

[Tropico]

Jessica Alba skinny pred centralid woman

http://ts1.explicit.bing.net/th?id=H.4525316135062468&pid=15.1

Pred Amerindian is pushing it but def significant Amerindian is there.

[Formozgan]

Jessica Alba skinny pred centralid woman

http://ts1.explicit.bing.net/th?id=H.4525316135062468&pid=15.1

I googled, first images that popped up:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8914/erasmocatarino.jpg

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1469/l426f58ecfb7e75b459989ejt6.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2688/4369027034_652a314e17_o.jpg

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1161/indigenas.jpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3247/5158x.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/facw09.jpg

http://imagenes.publico.es/resources/archivos/2007/11/29/119633600542220071129-782721dn.jpg

[Lux Aeterna]

Hassad?

No, I think he's fairly objective regarding the matter.

[Twistedmind]

No, my dad is white, but my mom is not white, I look more like my mom.

Both of your parents are non-white. No offense, but Circasians are not considered white.

[Bobby Six Killer]

I googled, first images that popped up

Joel Huiqui is not a centralid. They have round chubbish faces.

Mestizos with these round chubbish facial feature are often confused for an Alpine treat, by anthro "intellectuals", and somehow resemble south east mestizos like Filipinos

[Neanderthal]

Marrioba should empty their cache. :picard2:

[Carlito's Way]

my cousin from my paternal side is a first generation mestizo but looks completely European, his mother is a Purepecha native american from Michoacan, Mexico

[StonyArabia]

Both of your parents are non-white. No offense, but Circasians are not considered white.

With all due respect if Sicilians, Maltese, Cypriots are considered and seen as White, why not in the case of the Circassian who are often much lighter and have higher rates of light eyes.

[Twistedmind]

With all due respect if Sicilians, Maltese, Cypriots are considered and seen as White, why not in the case of the Circassian who are often much lighter and have higher rates of light eyes.

Circasians areculturaly not European. Their facial structure is uncommon and genneticaly they ate not close to any Euro group.

[Gauthier]

In the case of mulatos they all show the obvious negro traits. It doesn't make a difference if the father is white and the mother black or viceversa.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1156/plnw.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/i/plnw.jpg/)
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5904/bw75.jpg (http://img689.imageshack.us/i/bw75.jpg/)
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/7308/p2zg.jpg (http://img853.imageshack.us/i/p2zg.jpg/)
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7/6f19.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/i/6f19.jpg/)
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/2181/zpbx.jpg (http://img853.imageshack.us/i/zpbx.jpg/)
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4155/ajj7.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/ajj7.jpg/)
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/448/asb1.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/asb1.jpg/)
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9395/j936.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/j936.jpg/)
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/6598/s1o0.jpg (http://img545.imageshack.us/i/s1o0.jpg/)

[Sigurd]

Things always combine in phenotype (genotype's always going to be 50/50) on a spectrum of sorts. For instance, I know in passing three sisters who have an Austrian mother and an Indian father. The eldest has relatively light pigment and could almost past for Southern European on that counter, the middle one is intermediate, and the youngest one takes more after her father's pigment, having comparedly brown skin. I don't think there is much of a difference of which one's the father, but more of a question which recombination takes place. :shrug:

[Rafael Passoni]

I've found this: 'At least 700 genetic variations are responsible for determining height, coming from both mom and dad’s genes. But there is evidence to suggest that each parent’s “height gene” functions a bit differently. Dad’s genes play a significant role in promoting growth.

The Supporting Evidence: The insulin-like growth factor (IGF protein) is strongly expressed by paternal genes. This genetic trait is also responsible for promoting growth. However, mom’s genes express a somewhat contradictory receptor called IGF2R, which essentially does the opposite by actively repressing dad’s height-inducing genes.

These are both examples of genomically imprinted genes. The imprinted gene is stamped by the origin parent from the beginning, distinctly marking mom’s copy and dad’s copy of the allele. The stamped gene and inherited trait are expressed differently depending on which parent they came from, or they’re only expressed when inherited from one parent, not the other.

It doesn’t matter if Mom’s an Amazon when it comes to height or if Dad’s height is better suited for soccer rather than basketball—Dad’s IGF genes encourage the child to grow tall, while Mom’s IGF2R genes say, slow down buddy, don’t leave me in the dust.

In a sense, they cancel each other out, but both genes play a vital role in the growth of your offspring. Studies on mice illustrate this delicate balance between each parent’s genes:

Without expressing mom’s growth-suppressing IGF2R, the mice suffered from severe overgrowth.
Without dad’s growth-promoting IGF protein, the mice experienced impeded growth and were smaller than average.
The theories behind why this happens are fascinating from an evolutionary standpoint. These genetic differences between mom and dad are called “parent-of-origin effects” and have an impact on growth and nutrition:

Paternal influence – Dad (more accurately, dad’s evolutionary adaptation) wants his son to grow big and strong in the womb. His genes use imprinting to give off signals during fetal development: “take nutrients from mom so you can be fit enough to survive life outside the womb.” Consuming more nutrients leads to increased growth.
Maternal influence – Having a baby can certainly be an excessive nutritional demand on Mom—especially in the early ages of human evolution. To counteract this somewhat parasitic relationship, mom’s genes use imprinting to avoid the fetus needing so much sustenance, which can, in turn, suppress growth.
The Big Picture: Beyond the give-and-take of these two specific genetic expressions, there are loads more variants affecting height from both mom and dad. Dad’s genes strongly influence your child’s size in a certain sense, but whether your children grow up to be 6’5” basketball stars or 5’10” point guards are up to certain genetic conditions from both parents.'
So, we need wait to more studies. Maybe you are right.
Source: https://sneakpeektest.com/blog/4-physical-traits-inherited-from-the-father/

[Lucas]

Here is simplified schema how skin color could be theoretically segregated in offspring of mixed couple.
https://i.imgur.com/kEXrD95.jpg

[Mortimer]

I think it makes no difference if it is the mother or the father, but Im not sure.

[rothaer]

Only if there is skin colour information on the X chromosome and the offspring is male.

Does anyone know if there is such information on the X?

[Roy]

I find it true even though it theoritically should not make sense.