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I included only the people who left enough information for me to deduce that they are chiefly, if not fully, ethnic Serbs. A few individuals cluster literally on top of each other so I apologise if it seems like a mess at first...you should still be able to make everything out if you zoom in enough.
It would be cool if the other tested Serbian users did the same thing for their matches too.
https://i.imgur.com/b7Av1to.png
Good topic :thumb001:
I'm guessing the extreme south plotting number 10 is from Montenegro but slightly mispelt?
Number 12 from Croatia also plots south, definitely not an Orthodox Croat!
Yeah, she is fully Montenegrin and her father is from Podgorica (surname Pešić). I was stunned too when I saw where she plots. This is the first actual Montegrin sample I've seen so far, now I'm quite curious whether or not all of them are so different from Serbian, Bosnian and Croatian Serbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayetooey
I haven't seen any proper samples myself so this is just me guessing, but I would assume based on Y dna and clan locations, Montenegrins in West and North would be closer to Serbs, where as East Montenegrins who from maps I've seen are heavily ev13 would be more south plotting. Even Y dna maps I've seen have low samples so probably aren't a great representation, but east including Podgorica is always highest in EV13 and other southern y dnas.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
Gedmatch scores of the Montenegrin woman:
Eurogenes k15:
1 West_Med 17.22
2 Baltic 17.17
3 East_Med 15.49
4 North_Sea 13.95
5 West_Asian 11.68
6 Eastern_Euro 11.36
7 Atlantic 10.03
8 Red_Sea 1.95
9 Siberian 0.78
10 Southeast_Asian 0.36
11 Amerindian 0.02
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 6.35
2 Romanian 7.16
3 Greek_Thessaly 9.61
4 Serbian 10.06
5 Greek 11.22
6 Moldavian 11.59
7 Croatian 14.52
8 Hungarian 15.7
9 Tuscan 15.78
10 Central_Greek 15.99
11 Ashkenazi 15.99
12 Italian_Abruzzo 16.63
13 Austrian 17.06
14 East_Sicilian 17.12
15 North_Italian 17.19
16 West_Sicilian 18.31
17 Ukrainian_Lviv 19.5
18 South_Italian 19.59
19 East_German 20.12
20 Ukrainian 20.38
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.5% Greek_Thessaly + 24.5% Erzya @ 4.5
2 55.7% Greek_Thessaly + 44.3% Moldavian @ 4.53
3 72.8% Greek_Thessaly + 27.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.77
4 73.6% Greek_Thessaly + 26.4% Southwest_Russian @ 4.92
5 70.6% Greek_Thessaly + 29.4% Ukrainian @ 4.97
6 51% Greek + 49% Moldavian @ 5.03
7 59.2% Moldavian + 40.8% Central_Greek @ 5.04
8 75.6% Greek_Thessaly + 24.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.06
9 75.5% Greek_Thessaly + 24.5% Estonian_Polish @ 5.12
10 64.5% Moldavian + 35.5% South_Italian @ 5.17
11 73.4% Moldavian + 26.6% Cyprian @ 5.17
12 69.9% Greek_Thessaly + 30.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.18
13 77.7% Greek_Thessaly + 22.3% Lithuanian @ 5.23
14 73.9% Greek_Thessaly + 26.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.25
15 75.8% Greek_Thessaly + 24.2% Belorussian @ 5.34
16 62.8% Greek_Thessaly + 37.2% Croatian @ 5.36
17 71.4% Greek_Thessaly + 28.6% South_Polish @ 5.36
18 61.3% Moldavian + 38.7% East_Sicilian @ 5.42
19 56.7% Central_Greek + 43.3% Ukrainian @ 5.48
20 74.4% Greek_Thessaly + 25.6% Polish @ 5.54
Eurogenes k13:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.69
2 West_Med 21.46
3 North_Atlantic 18.23
4 East_Med 17.79
5 West_Asian 12.31
6 Red_Sea 2.21
7 Siberian 1.36
8 East_Asian 0.76
9 Amerindian 0.18
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 5.23
2 Romanian 6.86
3 Serbian 9.89
4 Greek_Thessaly 10.89
5 Moldavian 12.62
6 Croatian 15.91
7 Central_Greek 17.27
8 Hungarian 17.42
9 Tuscan 17.51
10 Italian_Abruzzo 17.96
11 North_Italian 18.05
12 East_Sicilian 18.68
13 West_Sicilian 19.08
14 Austrian 20.29
15 Ashkenazi 20.69
16 South_Italian 21.67
17 East_German 21.77
18 Ukrainian_Lviv 21.86
19 Ukrainian 23.06
20 South_Polish 23.23
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.7% Moldavian + 41.3% Central_Greek @ 4.89
2 95.7% Bulgarian + 4.3% Sardinian @ 4.97
3 54.5% Greek_Thessaly + 45.5% Moldavian @ 4.97
4 96.7% Bulgarian + 3.3% Mari @ 5.06
5 96.2% Bulgarian + 3.8% Chuvash @ 5.06
6 98.1% Bulgarian + 1.9% Selkup @ 5.06
7 75.4% Greek_Thessaly + 24.6% Erzya @ 5.07
8 98.2% Bulgarian + 1.8% Ket @ 5.08
9 96.1% Bulgarian + 3.9% Erzya @ 5.09
10 98% Bulgarian + 2% Hakas @ 5.1
11 57.7% Central_Greek + 42.3% Ukrainian @ 5.11
12 95.7% Bulgarian + 4.3% Tatar @ 5.11
13 98.8% Bulgarian + 1.2% Yakut @ 5.12
14 98.8% Bulgarian + 1.2% Dolgan @ 5.12
15 98.1% Bulgarian + 1.9% Shors @ 5.13
16 98.9% Bulgarian + 1.1% Evenki @ 5.13
17 92% Bulgarian + 8% Moldavian @ 5.13
18 98.9% Bulgarian + 1.1% Evens @ 5.13
19 98.6% Bulgarian + 1.4% Tuvinian @ 5.13
20 98.7% Bulgarian + 1.3% Buryat @ 5.13
Dodecad k12b:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_European 31.97
2 Caucasus 28.48
3 Atlantic_Med 27.35
4 Southwest_Asian 6.49
5 Gedrosia 3.8
6 East_Asian 1.08
7 Northwest_African 0.43
8 Siberian 0.25
9 Southeast_Asian 0.16
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 4.62
2 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 4.68
3 Romanians (Behar) 4.89
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 11.36
5 Greek (Dodecad) 13.88
6 Tuscan (HGDP) 15.81
7 TSI30 (Metspalu) 15.85
8 C_Italian (Dodecad) 15.95
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 15.96
10 North_Italian (HGDP) 18.77
11 Hungarians (Behar) 18.9
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 20.88
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 20.95
14 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 20.95
15 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 21.18
16 German (Dodecad) 23.56
17 French (HGDP) 24.85
18 French (Dodecad) 24.86
19 Baleares (1000Genomes) 25.99
20 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 26.25
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 22.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.03
2 80.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 19.4% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 1.05
3 57.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 42.3% Hungarians (Behar) @ 1.23
4 92% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 8% Sardinian (HGDP) @ 1.4
5 70.6% Romanians (Behar) + 29.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.41
6 87.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 12.5% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 1.41
7 87.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 12.9% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 1.55
8 85.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 14.3% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 1.57
9 77.3% Romanians (Behar) + 22.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.59
10 78.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 21.6% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 1.6
11 77.3% Romanians (Behar) + 22.7% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 1.62
12 88.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 11.7% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 1.69
13 77.6% Romanians (Behar) + 22.4% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.7
14 87.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 12.4% Spaniards (Behar) @ 1.76
15 88.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 11.6% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 1.77
16 88.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 11.2% Aragon (1000Genomes) @ 1.79
17 92.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 7.6% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 1.8
18 86.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 13.4% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 1.85
19 72.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 27.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 1.85
20 87.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 12.5% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 1.87
Damn, this lady must be Kuci clan lol.
She is pretty southern from few Montenegrins whose results I have seen. Maybe recent Albanian admixture...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayetooey
Albanians shift toward Tuscans from what I've seen, this one is more eastern than even Bulgarians!! If she does have some Albanian ancestry then she is an even bigger outlier:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
http://i68.tinypic.com/s3kaqw.jpg
Number 12 on the chart seems south shifting for a Croat Serb
Nice work man.
I was just on same thread getting ready to post that! Yes Albanians all seem to plot west, she plots south like them but east.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
He is Serb from I am guessing North Croatia, he plots quite to the south of Dalmatian serb samples 5/15 who seem to plot right on the serbian dot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carpatz
Montenegrin woman plots very similar like female user from southeastern Romania IIRC. Her friend from same region plotted close also. She posted it somehwere few days ago.
So not exactly Albanian.
It's some old guy from America, all of his grandparents were Serbs from Croatia who migrated to the US in the beginning of the 20th century. He has an elevated South Asian score (around 2%, like Ayetooey), though nothing else really out of the ordinary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carpatz
Found the post where Seya posted her and her friend plotting, it's close to sample no. 10 indeed. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5780229
Seya and her friend are further to the southeast, but she is definitely closer to them than she is to us and even the Albanians!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nato
Here is a I1 Montenegrin from NW Montenegro. He posted before Eurogenes K13 and K15 were out, but he posted results of lots of other calculators.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayetooey
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...3andme-results
Yes, agree. What about her husband from central-south Serbia, where's he from exactly ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
I noticed that even seemingly insignificant amounts of "non-European" components can alter the way you plot significantly. If I remove my 1-2% east asian+siberian, I plot west of Serbia.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
His father's side is from a village called Gornja Koritnica and his mother's from the village Kusadak, one of the largest in Serbia :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Nato
These are outdated calculators and I don't know if they have been updated since 2012 or not, but this guy is much closer to me than the mentioned woman. He seems only slightly southern shifted than the Serbian average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Insuperable
Looks like he has lot of Slavic ancestry. Always presumed villagers would be more Slavic than your average city folk.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
Added three more people I managed to find:
https://i.imgur.com/L7zenmZ.png
I've added three more people, that's 21 in total now.
https://i.imgur.com/1qi57OR.png
Add me
Are you sure number 10 dosnt have gypsy admixture? Close to impaler and Mortimer
Mortimer and impaler are half way in between c Greek and lezgin if I recall, distant from 10. 10 also scores 0 percent south Asian on gedmatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
Impaler says he is not part Romani.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
He has also told me he is not part Romani. Seems to me it is likely Turkic ancestry that pulls Impaler east (he has zero South Asian on 23andMe).Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
He both has Turkic-variety and South-Asian/Iranic-variety ancestry. 6% South Asian on K13 can't be explainable with only Turkic theory imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.G
Okay, I kinda threw my hands up and thought well maybe his South Asian score on Gedmatch was just misappropriated Turkic ancestry. Your explanation is a good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
She scores zero South Asian and her results are more, for example, like Vojnik than those two you mentioned. Impaler is, as far as I know, between Balkans and West Asia, but closer to the former, and Mortimer clusters near Anatolian Turks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
Mate, this is my Serbian DNA relative results.
Admix Results (sorted):
1 East_Med 22.91
2 Baltic 18.52
3 North_Sea 13.65
4 West_Asian 12.43
5 Atlantic 10.07
6 Eastern_Euro 10.02
7 West_Med 9.52
8 Red_Sea 2.6
9 Southeast_Asian 0.16
10 Oceanian 0.1
11 Amerindian 0.01
Single Population Sharing:
1 Bulgarian 8.69
2 Romanian 9.83
3 Greek_Thessaly 10.57
4 Greek 11.37
5 Serbian 13
6 Ashkenazi 14.11
7 Central_Greek 14.87
8 Moldavian 15.35
9 Italian_Abruzzo 15.88
10 East_Sicilian 16.07
11 Croatian 17.7
12 West_Sicilian 17.85
13 Tuscan 17.9
14 South_Italian 18.18
15 Hungarian 18.36
16 Austrian 19.33
17 North_Italian 21.17
18 Italian_Jewish 21.55
19 Ukrainian_Lviv 21.92
20 Sephardic_Jewish 22.08
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
1 59% Ukrainian_Lviv + 41% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.72
2 57.8% Ukrainian + 42.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.82
3 53.8% Cyprian + 46.2% Lithuanian @ 3.84
4 57.9% South_Polish + 42.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.02
5 58.1% Ukrainian + 41.9% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.08
6 53.7% Cyprian + 46.3% Estonian @ 4.08
7 58.2% South_Polish + 41.8% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.09
8 59.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 40.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.16
9 67.7% Moldavian + 32.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.18
10 53.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 46.1% Cyprian @ 4.28
11 52.6% Ukrainian + 47.4% Cyprian @ 4.33
12 64.4% Croatian + 35.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.4
13 51.3% Cyprian + 48.7% Belorussian @ 4.5
14 52.7% South_Polish + 47.3% Cyprian @ 4.56
15 50.6% Southwest_Russian + 49.4% Cyprian @ 4.64
16 51.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 48.6% Cyprian @ 4.71
17 55.5% Polish + 44.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.77
18 53.9% Ukrainian + 46.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.83
19 50% Polish + 50% Cyprian @ 4.93
20 55.3% Polish + 44.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.93
Looks pretty southern, could you plot her on PCA ?
22% East Med is extreme, Serb average is 15%. Where is this dude from Nato?
It's a woman. Name Jovana Bojić no idea where she's from. Montenegrin maybe ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayetooey
On K15 it is 12% for Serbs and 6% for Croats actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayetooey
Oh whoops I was thinking of k15 where it's 15.63%. Bizarre. Her surname is highest density in Montenegro so possible she's from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I always check a person's family tree because a name and a surname mean nothing to me (they could still have a foreign parent). This woman, if she is fully Serbian, is even more atypical than the one I already posted. Take a look:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nato
https://i.imgur.com/5sI9Kyg.png
Lol man She plot exact like Seya I think. Probably she is hot. Aromanian ancestry ? For sure not Albanian, she is very far from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense