Ukrainian national average

Replying to why there's so much Siberian and Asian admixture in Central Ukrainians - we should keep in mind that Cumans and Black Klobuks were, for a long time, the allies of Kyiv Rus and defended it's Southern borders.
Another point that is worth mentioning - there was a post-Mongol invasion wave of resettlement into Central Ukraine from Galych and Volyn territories in the 14-16C. And another wave in the 18th C. after the Great Northern War. It might explain why ethnic Ukrainians in general are West shifted and so different from Russians genetically.

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Originally Posted by hawklutz86

It might explain why ethnic Ukrainians in general are West shifted and so different from Russians genetically.

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Different as hell, like African and European :dielaughing:

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Originally Posted by hawklutz86

Replying to why there's so much Siberian and Asian admixture in Central Ukrainians - we should keep in mind that Cumans and Black Klobuks were, for a long time, the allies of Kyiv Rus and defended it's Southern borders.
Another point that is worth mentioning - there was a post-Mongol invasion wave of resettlement into Central Ukraine from Galych and Volyn territories in the 14-16C. And another wave in the 18th C. after the Great Northern War. It might explain why ethnic Ukrainians in general are West shifted and so different from Russians genetically.

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Despite our admixtures, central Ukrainians are closer to central Russians than anyone else. You are very far from Poles, it's almost the same with Russians. Small differences.

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Originally Posted by Vjatych

Despite our admixtures, central Ukrainians are closer to central Russians than anyone else. You are very far from Poles, it's almost the same with Russians. Small differences.

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Central Ukrainians are close to South-Western Russians only due to deep historical roots of ethnic Ukrainians in that region. Western Ukrainians, apart from Volyn, are nowhere close to Russians. It's mostly due to very different substrates: Sarmato-Scythian+Turkic+Thracian+Germano-Celtic (in Ukrainians) vs Baltic+Hungro-Finnish (in Russians).
Both Poles and Russians are foreign to me culturally.

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Originally Posted by hawklutz86

Replying to why there's so much Siberian and Asian admixture in Central Ukrainians - we should keep in mind that Cumans and Black Klobuks were, for a long time, the allies of Kyiv Rus and defended it's Southern borders.
Another point that is worth mentioning - there was a post-Mongol invasion wave of resettlement into Central Ukraine from Galych and Volyn territories in the 14-16C. And another wave in the 18th C. after the Great Northern War. It might explain why ethnic Ukrainians in general are West shifted and so different from Russians genetically.

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You are exaggerating. Russian regions near Ukraine are not much different from Ukrainians in general. And, of course, this exaggeration is fuelled by political motives, who want to portray Ukrainians as Western Europeans, very different from their cousins the Russians. But reality says otherwise.

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Originally Posted by hawklutz86

Central Ukrainians are close to South-Western Russians only due to deep historical roots of ethnic Ukrainians in that region. Western Ukrainians, apart from Volyn, are nowhere close to Russians. It's mostly due to very different substrates: Sarmato-Scythian+Turkic+Thracian+Germano-Celtic (in Ukrainians) vs Baltic+Hungro-Finnish (in Russians).
Both Poles and Russians are foreign to me culturally.

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You are conflating genetically with culturally. Your tiny genetic differences from Russians are not responsible for your cultural differences. That's more political.

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Originally Posted by hawklutz86

Central Ukrainians are close to South-Western Russians only due to deep historical roots of ethnic Ukrainians in that region. Western Ukrainians, apart from Volyn, are nowhere close to Russians. It's mostly due to very different substrates: Sarmato-Scythian+Turkic+Thracian+Germano-Celtic (in Ukrainians) vs Baltic+Hungro-Finnish (in Russians).
Both Poles and Russians are foreign to me culturally.

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It is Volyn that is closest to the Russians, not even to the Belarusians. Kiev is identical. The southern regions of Ukraine have their own impurities. The eastern regions are almost identical. Well, it makes no sense to tear a Belarusian, a central Ukrainian or a central Russian from each other, there are negligible differences. The Poles are on the sidelines, they are right very on the sidelines

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Aren't you ashamed of doing what you are doing? I mean both Loki and Vjatych, you are harassing him just for identifying himself as Ukrainian.

My results (mixed Russian/Ukrainian)

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 42.86
2 North_Atlantic 32.88
3 West_Med 8.94
4 East_Med 4.89
5 West_Asian 4.64
6 Siberian 3.52
7 South_Asian 1.08


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Polish @ 4.788897
2 Polish @ 5.389415
3 Ukrainian @ 6.661991
4 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.450727
5 Southwest_Finnish @ 7.643763
6 Belorussian @ 8.051025
7 Russian_Smolensk @ 8.159524
8 Estonian_Polish @ 8.358365
9 Southwest_Russian @ 8.760627
10 Finnish @ 8.942044
11 Estonian @ 9.406475
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 9.791260
13 Kargopol_Russian @ 10.988570
14 East_Finnish @ 11.293253
15 Croatian @ 12.383029
16 Lithuanian @ 12.693370
17 East_German @ 13.516651
18 Hungarian @ 13.529627
19 North_Swedish @ 14.076102
20 Erzya @ 15.244667