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08-24-2019, 01:05 AM
Negah

It is interesting that Herati samples are like northern afghans rather than northeast Iranians
08-24-2019, 01:08 AM
Negah

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoro

I’m not exactly sure how many people in Dilawer ‘s project but there are a couple more Kurds and some Feyli kurds also and S. Asians.

I emailed Dilawer a couple of weeks ago about whether he had IBS tables comparing Pashtuns with Punjabis and Kurds. He said he did and that he would get them to me when he has a little time but I haven’t received anything yet. I reminded him again today. I’ll post them when he sends them but you shouldn’t use admixture oracles or pca to figure this out. I think it’s best to compare them allele by allele and see who has more matching alleles

As far as Kurds and Pakis looking similar (especially baloch pashtuns and Kurds) its just based on all the people i met and have seen online. I have also seen on this forum and some forum (don’t remember which one) that people confuse the two and guess wrong as to who is Kurd vs Pakis.

Also when I go out with my Kurdish friends and relatives to Paki restaurants or shops people start speaking to us in Urdu thinking we are one of them. Same thing when a couple of my Paki friends used to come to out Kurdish parties the Kurds eould speak to them in Kurdish thinking they are Kurds . A couple of my close female relatives in American schools The kids always used to think that they are Indians lol

Anyways since you asked I think I’ll post some pictures of Kurds and Pakis and let’s see how many people here will gas them correctly . It should be fun. Although my guess is that some of the people here will not try to guess because they’re wiil be worried about guessing wrong, but that’s fine because by not guessing we can surmise that those people who always say they can tell Kurds or MENAS apart from Pakis are full of crap :) But I suppose I can also be wrong and that those people may have sharper eyes than I do

Where do you live? Pakistan?
08-24-2019, 02:34 AM
Zoro

Quote:

Originally Posted by Negah

Where do you live? Pakistan?

USA. I used to live in DC area where there’s a big international community
08-24-2019, 02:39 AM
Zoro

Quote:

Originally Posted by hussein khan

You always wanted to see results of heratis, babak.
Here are what i assume are heratis:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 27.82
2 Caucasian 22.25
3 NE-Euro 14.4
4 S-Indian 10.41
5 SW-Asian 6.59
6 NE-Asian 6.1
7 Siberian 4.77
8 Mediterranean 4.18
9 American 1.99
10 San 0.55
11 Papuan 0.54
12 W-African 0.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 tajik (yunusbayev) 7.11
2 turkmen (yunusbayev) 9.92
3 pashtun (harappa) 12.38
4 pathan (hgdp) 19.91
5 iranian (harappa) 20.62
6 kalash (hgdp) 20.63
7 romanian-b (behar) 20.85
8 burusho (hgdp) 20.97
9 iranian (behar) 21.13
10 stalskoe (xing) 21.4
11 uzbek (behar) 21.9
12 sindhi (harappa) 22.16
13 kurd (harappa) 22.22
14 nogai (yunusbayev) 22.28
15 haryana-jatt (harappa) 22.53
16 kashmiri (harappa) 22.68
17 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 22.72
18 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 23.73
19 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 24.1
20 bhatia (harappa) 24.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.8% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 29.2% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 3.84
2 77.9% tajik (yunusbayev) + 22.1% romanian-b (behar) @ 4.1
3 87.4% tajik (yunusbayev) + 12.6% yemenese (behar) @ 4.52
4 90.4% tajik (yunusbayev) + 9.6% yemen-jew (behar) @ 4.52
5 88.3% tajik (yunusbayev) + 11.7% egypt (henn2012) @ 4.63
6 87.6% tajik (yunusbayev) + 12.4% palestinian (hgdp) @ 4.68
7 88.5% tajik (yunusbayev) + 11.5% egyptian (behar) @ 4.69
8 91.1% tajik (yunusbayev) + 8.9% saudi (behar) @ 4.72
9 90.9% tajik (yunusbayev) + 9.1% bedouin (hgdp) @ 4.76
10 90.4% tajik (yunusbayev) + 9.6% qatari (henn2012) @ 4.8
11 83.2% tajik (yunusbayev) + 16.8% bene-israel-jew (behar) @ 4.8
12 87% tajik (yunusbayev) + 13% jordanian (behar) @ 4.82
13 89.2% tajik (yunusbayev) + 10.8% samaritian (behar) @ 4.89
14 86.1% tajik (yunusbayev) + 13.9% syrian (behar) @ 4.9
15 83.3% tajik (yunusbayev) + 16.7% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 4.91
16 53.6% burusho (hgdp) + 46.4% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 4.93
17 86% tajik (yunusbayev) + 14% palestinian (harappa) @ 5.05
18 73.1% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 26.9% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 5.06
19 86.7% tajik (yunusbayev) + 13.3% lebanese (behar) @ 5.07
20 76.7% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 23.3% nepalese-a (xing)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 31.74
2 Caucasian 23.57
3 NE-Euro 14.27
4 S-Indian 9.09
5 SW-Asian 7.46
6 NE-Asian 3.19
7 Mediterranean 2.8
8 Siberian 2.4
9 American 1.94
10 Beringian 1.31
11 Papuan 0.74
12 W-African 0.6
13 SE-Asian 0.5
14 E-African 0.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 tajik (yunusbayev) 7.7
2 pashtun (harappa) 11.09
3 turkmen (yunusbayev) 11.55
4 pathan (hgdp) 18.34
5 kalash (hgdp) 18.43
6 iranian (harappa) 19.03
7 iranian (behar) 19.29
8 stalskoe (xing) 20.58
9 burusho (hgdp) 20.75
10 kurd (harappa) 20.78
11 sindhi (harappa) 21.08
12 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 21.86
13 haryana-jatt (harappa) 22.32
14 bhatia (harappa) 22.58
15 kashmiri (harappa) 22.59
16 urkarah (xing) 22.84
17 kurd (xing) 23
18 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 23.09
19 romanian-b (behar) 23.37
20 kurd (yunusbayev) 23.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.3% tajik (yunusbayev) + 23.7% iranian (behar) @ 5.08
2 81.9% tajik (yunusbayev) + 18.1% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 5.3
3 85.6% tajik (yunusbayev) + 14.4% iraqi-mandaean (harappa) @ 5.59
4 90.8% tajik (yunusbayev) + 9.2% yemen-jew (behar) @ 5.6
5 79.2% tajik (yunusbayev) + 20.8% kurd (harappa) @ 5.61
6 91.2% tajik (yunusbayev) + 8.8% saudi (behar) @ 5.62
7 87.9% tajik (yunusbayev) + 12.1% yemenese (behar) @ 5.63
8 85.4% tajik (yunusbayev) + 14.6% palestinian (harappa) @ 5.65
9 86% tajik (yunusbayev) + 14% syrian (behar) @ 5.68
10 90.5% tajik (yunusbayev) + 9.5% qatari (henn2012) @ 5.7
11 86.7% tajik (yunusbayev) + 13.3% iraq-jew (behar) @ 5.71
12 84.1% tajik (yunusbayev) + 15.9% uzbekistan-jew (behar) @ 5.73
13 86.5% tajik (yunusbayev) + 13.5% iranian-jew (behar) @ 5.75
14 91.3% tajik (yunusbayev) + 8.7% bedouin (hgdp) @ 5.81
15 87.5% tajik (yunusbayev) + 12.5% jordanian (behar) @ 5.82
16 89.8% tajik (yunusbayev) + 10.2% samaritian (behar) @ 5.93
17 51.4% pashtun (harappa) + 48.6% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 5.98
18 65.9% tajik (yunusbayev) + 34.1% pashtun (harappa) @ 5.99
19 68.6% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 31.4% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 6.02
20 87.3% tajik (yunusbayev) + 12.7% lebanese (behar) @ 6.03

What makes you think these are specifically Heratis ?
08-24-2019, 03:06 AM
Mingle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Negah

It is interesting that Herati samples are like northern afghans rather than northeast Iranians

There are no northeast Iranian samples.
08-24-2019, 07:32 AM
Negah

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mingle

There are no northeast Iranian samples.

I was referring to northeast of Iran the country
08-24-2019, 07:35 AM
Negah

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoro

What makes you think these are specifically Heratis ?

Just the question I was going to ask. Are these samples of native Heratis
08-24-2019, 08:15 AM
Kyp

Copy from the Talysh thread:
Talysh results(Dodecad k12b) :

Kit NP9156736

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 43.65
2 Gedrosia 21.52
3 North_European 9.09
4 Southwest_Asian 8.71
5 Atlantic_Med 5.39
6 South_Asian 3.31
7 Siberian 3.16
8 East_African 1.84
9 Southeast_Asian 1.66
10 Northwest_African 1
11 East_Asian 0.67

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian (Dodecad) 8.97
2 Turks (Behar) 9.03
3 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 9.57
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 9.92
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 11.32
6 Turkish (Dodecad) 11.63
7 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 11.91
8 Iranians (Behar) 12.98
9 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 14.54
10 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 14.91
11 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 15.15
12 Armenian (Dodecad) 15.57
13 Assyrian (Dodecad) 16.12
14 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.04
15 Armenians (Behar) 17.22
16 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 17.26
17 Lezgins (Behar) 17.81
18 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 17.83
19 Adygei (HGDP) 18.56
20 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 18.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.4% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) + 32.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.51
2 60.2% Iranians (Behar) + 39.8% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 4.52
3 63.2% Armenians (Behar) + 36.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.54
4 70.4% Iranian (Dodecad) + 29.6% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 4.58
5 50.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 49.7% Armenians (Behar) @ 4.75
6 70.7% Iranian (Dodecad) + 29.3% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.77
7 60.3% Iranians (Behar) + 39.7% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.79
8 70.3% Iranian (Dodecad) + 29.7% Adygei (HGDP) @ 4.82
9 65.8% Armenian (Dodecad) + 34.2% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.89
10 59.8% Iranians (Behar) + 40.2% Adygei (HGDP) @ 4.92
11 59.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 40.8% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.98
12 50.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 49.8% Turks (Behar) @ 5.01
13 68.2% Kurd (Dodecad) + 31.8% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 5.12
14 54.4% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) + 45.6% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.13
15 51.6% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 48.4% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.27
16 68.5% Kurd (Dodecad) + 31.5% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 5.31
17 68% Kurd (Dodecad) + 32% Adygei (HGDP) @ 5.33
18 58.9% Iranian (Dodecad) + 41.1% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 5.35
19 56% Kurd (Dodecad) + 44% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.37
20 52.7% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 47.3% Iranians (Behar) @ 5.44

Kit HU4997660

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 40.91
2 Gedrosia 25.97
3 Southwest_Asian 11.03
4 Atlantic_Med 7.73
5 North_European 7.43
6 East_Asian 2.88
7 South_Asian 2.83
8 Siberian 0.71
9 Northwest_African 0.4
10 Southeast_Asian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian (Dodecad) 4.85
2 Kurd (Dodecad) 5.24
3 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 5.39
4 Iranians (Behar) 8.09
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 10.57
6 Turks (Behar) 11.67
7 Turkish (Dodecad) 14
8 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 14.99
9 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 15.34
10 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 15.85
11 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 15.86
12 Assyrian (Dodecad) 16.12
13 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 16.14
14 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 16.76
15 Armenian (Dodecad) 17.1
16 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 18.43
17 Armenians (Behar) 19.85
18 Lebanese (Behar) 19.96
19 Lezgins (Behar) 20.11
20 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 21.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.1% Iranian (Dodecad) + 21.9% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 2.97
2 63.9% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 36.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.11
3 75.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 24.8% Turks (Behar) @ 3.12
4 89.4% Iranian (Dodecad) + 10.6% Greek (Dodecad) @ 3.2
5 60.2% Iranians (Behar) + 39.8% Turks (Behar) @ 3.26
6 88.5% Iranian (Dodecad) + 11.5% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 3.28
7 89% Iranian (Dodecad) + 11% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 3.34
8 64.9% Iranians (Behar) + 35.1% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 3.36
9 89.4% Iranian (Dodecad) + 10.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.37
10 62.7% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) + 37.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.38
11 90.8% Iranian (Dodecad) + 9.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.39
12 62.8% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 37.2% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.4
13 89.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 10.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.42
14 91.5% Iranian (Dodecad) + 8.5% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 3.42
15 91.9% Iranian (Dodecad) + 8.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.45
16 91.1% Iranian (Dodecad) + 8.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.47
17 91.9% Iranian (Dodecad) + 8.1% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 3.5
18 91.8% Iranian (Dodecad) + 8.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 3.51
19 77.8% Kurd (Dodecad) + 22.2% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 3.52
20 92.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 7.8% Romanians (Behar) @ 3.57

Harappaworld

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 45.28
2 Baloch 21.03
3 SW-Asian 8.81
4 NE-Euro 8.03
5 Mediterranean 5.13
6 S-Indian 4.5
7 Siberian 1.68
8 E-African 1.63
9 Beringian 1.52
10 SE-Asian 1.27
11 NE-Asian 0.54
12 Papuan 0.43
13 San 0.1
14 Pygmy 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 azeri (harappa) 3.71
2 turkish (harappa) 6.51
3 kurd (yunusbayev) 7.58
4 iranian (harappa) 7.95
5 kurd (harappa) 8.03
6 turk (behar) 8.15
7 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 8.83
8 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 8.98
9 kurd (xing) 9.37
10 armenian (harappa) 9.41
11 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 10.5
12 kumyk (yunusbayev) 10.85
13 iranian (behar) 10.87
14 armenian (behar) 12.83
15 assyrian (harappa) 13.22
16 armenian (yunusbayev) 13.3
17 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 13.56
18 georgia-jew (behar) 14.5
19 stalskoe (xing) 14.85
20 balkar (yunusbayev) 15.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.5% armenian (behar) + 29.5% pashtun (harappa) @ 3.06
2 94.9% azeri (harappa) + 5.1% kalash (hgdp) @ 3.16
3 95.3% azeri (harappa) + 4.7% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 3.16
4 95.7% azeri (harappa) + 4.3% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) @ 3.19
5 96% azeri (harappa) + 4% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) @ 3.19
6 96.1% azeri (harappa) + 3.9% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) @ 3.2
7 95.2% azeri (harappa) + 4.8% pathan (hgdp) @ 3.2
8 95.8% azeri (harappa) + 4.2% kashmiri-pandit (reich) @ 3.2
9 95.7% azeri (harappa) + 4.3% gujarati-muslim (harappa) @ 3.21
10 96.1% azeri (harappa) + 3.9% sindhi (hgdp) @ 3.21
11 95.8% azeri (harappa) + 4.2% bhatia (harappa) @ 3.21
12 96.1% azeri (harappa) + 3.9% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 3.21
13 95.5% azeri (harappa) + 4.5% sindhi (harappa) @ 3.21
14 96% azeri (harappa) + 4% punjabi (harappa) @ 3.21
15 96.1% azeri (harappa) + 3.9% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 3.22
16 95.6% azeri (harappa) + 4.4% kashmiri (harappa) @ 3.23
17 96.7% azeri (harappa) + 3.3% gujarati-b (hapmap) @ 3.23
18 96.8% azeri (harappa) + 3.2% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) @ 3.23
19 96.5% azeri (harappa) + 3.5% up-brahmin (harappa) @ 3.24
20 96.8% azeri (harappa) + 3.2% tn-brahmin (xing) @ 3.24

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 43.51
2 Baloch 25.6
3 SW-Asian 9.97
4 Mediterranean 6.71
5 NE-Euro 6.49
6 S-Indian 3.37
7 NE-Asian 2.53
8 Siberian 0.92
9 Papuan 0.59
10 SE-Asian 0.24
11 American 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 iranian (harappa) 4.08
2 kurd (yunusbayev) 4.28
3 kurd (harappa) 4.76
4 kurd (xing) 5.88
5 azeri (harappa) 6.73
6 turkish (harappa) 7.17
7 iranian (behar) 7.52
8 armenian (harappa) 9.72
9 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 9.97
10 turk (behar) 10.71
11 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 11.04
12 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 11.17
13 kumyk (yunusbayev) 13.22
14 assyrian (harappa) 13.29
15 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 14.59
16 iraqi-arab (harappa) 14.62
17 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 14.67
18 armenian (yunusbayev) 14.86
19 armenian (behar) 15.04
20 iranian-jew (behar) 15.38

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.2% iranian (harappa) + 17.8% armenian (behar) @ 2.52
2 78.1% iranian (harappa) + 21.9% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 2.72
3 93.6% kurd (yunusbayev) + 6.4% nepalese-c (xing) @ 2.73
4 77.4% iranian (harappa) + 22.6% turk (behar) @ 2.74
5 95.2% kurd (yunusbayev) + 4.8% nepalese-b (xing) @ 2.74
6 86.1% iranian (harappa) + 13.9% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 2.77
7 86.6% iranian (harappa) + 13.4% adygei (hgdp) @ 2.79
8 90.5% iranian (harappa) + 9.5% georgian (behar) @ 2.79
9 82.6% kurd (yunusbayev) + 17.4% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 2.8
10 89.8% iranian (harappa) + 10.2% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 2.81
11 86.4% iranian (harappa) + 13.6% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 2.82
12 92.9% kurd (yunusbayev) + 7.1% uyghur (hgdp) @ 2.84
13 91.7% kurd (yunusbayev) + 8.3% uzbek (behar) @ 2.85
14 92.9% kurd (yunusbayev) + 7.1% hazara (hgdp) @ 2.91
15 89.6% kurd (yunusbayev) + 10.4% romanian-b (behar) @ 2.92
16 68% iranian (harappa) + 32% azeri (harappa) @ 2.92
17 78.9% iranian (harappa) + 21.1% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 2.93
18 87.7% kurd (yunusbayev) + 12.3% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 2.93
19 83.4% kurd (harappa) + 16.6% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 2.94
20 83.2% kurd (harappa) + 16.8% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 2.96
08-24-2019, 12:22 PM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoro

What makes you think these are specifically Heratis ?

They all have the surname "haidari"
08-24-2019, 12:26 PM
hussein khan

Actually, there's a herati sample thats more south asian shifted compared to the ones i posted:

Kit T574842

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 29.25
2 Caucasian 23.06
3 S-Indian 13.14
4 NE-Euro 10.28
5 SW-Asian 6.29
6 Mediterranean 5.3
7 Siberian 5.25
8 NE-Asian 4.04
9 Beringian 0.97
10 American 0.94
11 SE-Asian 0.65
12 Papuan 0.56
13 Pygmy 0.2
14 San 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 pashtun (harappa) 9.79
2 tajik (yunusbayev) 9.92
3 turkmen (yunusbayev) 10.65
4 pathan (hgdp) 17.53
5 kalash (hgdp) 18.11
6 burusho (hgdp) 19.3
7 sindhi (harappa) 19.49
8 iranian (harappa) 19.53
9 romanian-b (behar) 19.87
10 iranian (behar) 19.92
11 kashmiri (harappa) 19.95
12 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 20.17
13 kurd (harappa) 21.19
14 haryana-jatt (harappa) 21.43
15 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 21.58
16 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 21.94
17 bhatia (harappa) 22.13
18 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 22.31
19 bene-israel-jew (behar) 22.5
20 stalskoe (xing) 23.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.5% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 32.5% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) @ 2.68
2 72.3% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 27.7% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) @ 2.97
3 74.9% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 25.1% up-brahmin (harappa) @ 3.06
4 71.6% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 28.4% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) @ 3.07
5 68.1% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 31.9% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) @ 3.09
6 71.3% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 28.7% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) @ 3.13
7 70% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 30% punjabi (harappa) @ 3.17
8 67.6% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 32.4% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 3.19
9 69.9% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 30.1% up-muslim (harappa) @ 3.22
10 76.2% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 23.8% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) @ 3.23
11 66.2% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 33.8% punjabi-khatri (harappa) @ 3.24
12 71.9% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 28.1% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 3.26
13 71.3% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 28.7% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 3.29
14 77.5% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 22.5% gujarati-b (hapmap) @ 3.33
15 77.2% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 22.8% vaish (reich) @ 3.35
16 69.7% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 30.3% kashmiri-pandit (reich) @ 3.41
17 77.7% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 22.3% up-kshatriya (metspalu) @ 3.42
18 52.4% pashtun (harappa) + 47.6% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 3.46
19 68.7% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 31.3% gujarati-muslim (harappa) @ 3.52
20 65.6% turkmen (yunusbayev) + 34.4% sindhi (harappa) @ 3.56

an assumingly herati pashtun:

Kit QX9447281

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 30.93
2 Caucasian 27.23
3 S-Indian 18.46
4 NE-Euro 10.69
5 SW-Asian 5.87
6 Mediterranean 1.37
7 SE-Asian 1.36
8 Siberian 1.34
9 Beringian 0.85
10 American 0.84
11 W-African 0.71
12 E-African 0.3
13 Pygmy 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 pashtun (harappa) 8.31
2 pathan (hgdp) 15.32
3 kalash (hgdp) 15.33
4 tajik (yunusbayev) 15.68
5 turkmen (yunusbayev) 16.17
6 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 16.88
7 sindhi (harappa) 17.02
8 kashmiri (harappa) 17.36
9 bene-israel-jew (behar) 19.03
10 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 19.3
11 burusho (hgdp) 19.42
12 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 19.53
13 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 19.86
14 iranian (harappa) 19.98
15 bhatia (harappa) 20.24
16 iranian (behar) 20.27
17 haryana-jatt (harappa) 20.33
18 romanian-b (behar) 20.48
19 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 20.62
20 punjabi (harappa) 21.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.7% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 40.3% azeri (harappa) @ 2.56
2 74.2% pathan (hgdp) + 25.8% druze (hgdp) @ 3.12
3 63.4% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 36.6% turk (behar) @ 3.27
4 67.8% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 32.2% armenian (behar) @ 3.32
5 52.3% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 47.7% azeri (harappa) @ 3.37
6 64% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 36% armenian (behar) @ 3.42
7 51.6% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 48.4% azeri (harappa) @ 3.5
8 65.4% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 34.6% georgian (harappa) @ 3.57
9 60.4% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 39.6% turkish (harappa) @ 3.59
10 58% gujarati-muslim (harappa) + 42% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 3.64
11 63.5% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 36.5% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 3.66
12 59.7% sindhi (harappa) + 40.3% azeri (harappa) @ 3.68
13 53.6% kurd (yunusbayev) + 46.4% up-brahmin (harappa) @ 3.7
14 55.8% punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) + 44.2% azeri (harappa) @ 3.71
15 54.8% kashmiri-pandit (reich) + 45.2% azeri (harappa) @ 3.72
16 62.9% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 37.1% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 3.76
17 67.7% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 32.3% georgia-jew (behar) @ 3.78
18 59.4% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 40.6% kurd (yunusbayev) @ 3.79
19 67.4% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 32.6% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 3.8
20 60.5% gujarati-muslim (harappa) + 39.5% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 3.81

Maybe theyre not all much less south asian shifted than their eastern neighbors.
08-24-2019, 12:29 PM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoro

I’m not exactly sure how many people in Dilawer ‘s project but there are a couple more Kurds and some Feyli kurds also and S. Asians.

I emailed Dilawer a couple of weeks ago about whether he had IBS tables comparing Pashtuns with Punjabis and Kurds. He said he did and that he would get them to me when he has a little time but I haven’t received anything yet. I reminded him again today. I’ll post them when he sends them but you shouldn’t use admixture oracles or pca to figure this out. I think it’s best to compare them allele by allele and see who has more matching alleles

As far as Kurds and Pakis looking similar (especially baloch pashtuns and Kurds) its just based on all the people i met and have seen online. I have also seen on this forum and some forum (don’t remember which one) that people confuse the two and guess wrong as to who is Kurd vs Pakis.

Also when I go out with my Kurdish friends and relatives to Paki restaurants or shops people start speaking to us in Urdu thinking we are one of them. Same thing when a couple of my Paki friends used to come to out Kurdish parties the Kurds eould speak to them in Kurdish thinking they are Kurds . A couple of my close female relatives in American schools The kids always used to think that they are Indians lol

Anyways since you asked I think I’ll post some pictures of Kurds and Pakis and let’s see how many people here will gas them correctly . It should be fun. Although my guess is that some of the people here will not try to guess because they’re wiil be worried about guessing wrong, but that’s fine because by not guessing we can surmise that those people who always say they can tell Kurds or MENAS apart from Pakis are full of crap :) But I suppose I can also be wrong and that those people may have sharper eyes than I do

Well, i hope you get thpse results from dilawer soon. Thanks for answering...
08-24-2019, 12:31 PM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by lameduck

Individuals guessing don't mean much , many MENAs come to me all the time and speak in their language but I look Paki its because most multiethnic societies are in western European countries where white people are very different from every type of Asian.

these are Kurds

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anth...ople-t806.html
and these are Pakis

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anth...ople-t804.html

you guys overlap with your Turkish neighbours much better .

I think he meant also getting confused for paks too, but not he could pass as paks more than turks.
08-24-2019, 02:06 PM
Mingle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Negah

I was referring to northeast of Iran the country

What makes you think I wasn't? There are no samples from the northeast of Iran the country.
08-24-2019, 04:43 PM
Negah

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mingle

What makes you think I wasn't? There are no samples from the northeast of Iran the country.

I have seen samples of Northeastern Iranians while they tend to be somewhat different than west Iranians, they are not similar to the Persians (Tajiks) of Northern Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan either. There is no uniformity of genetics it seems in what used to be the greater Khorasan region.

Herat and Balkh are an interesting case because of the regions history and its proximity and shared history to Iran.

But yes, I like to see more samples from Northeastern Iranians and Northern Afghanistan because of the closeness of history of the region, it would be interesting to see samples from east of Tehran all the way to the Tajiks of Northern Afghanistan.
08-24-2019, 05:49 PM
Babak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Negah

I have seen samples of Northeastern Iranians while they tend to be somewhat different than west Iranians, they are not similar to the Persians (Tajiks) of Northern Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan either. There is no uniformity of genetics its seems in what used to be the greater Khorasan region.

Herat and Balkh are an interesting case because of the regions history and its proximity and shared history to Iran.

But yes, I like to more samples from Northeastern Iranians and Northern Afghanistan because of the closeness of history of the region, it would be interesting to see samples from east of Tehran all the way to the Tajiks of Northern Afghanistan.

Khorasanis speak a dialect thats extremely close to Dari and some of them even identify as Tajiks. I believe what happened was Tajiks mixed with the remaining Iranian population and created this unique distinction between west and east iranians. Thats why theyre not similiar to either population. Its the same with Heratis because many of them can not only speak with a Dari accent, but with an Iranian one too.
08-24-2019, 06:08 PM
Mingle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Negah

I have seen samples of Northeastern Iranians while they tend to be somewhat different than west Iranians, they are not similar to the Persians (Tajiks) of Northern Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan either. There is no uniformity of genetics it seems in what used to be the greater Khorasan region.

Herat and Balkh are an interesting case because of the regions history and its proximity and shared history to Iran.

But yes, I like to see more samples from Northeastern Iranians and Northern Afghanistan because of the closeness of history of the region, it would be interesting to see samples from east of Tehran all the way to the Tajiks of Northern Afghanistan.

I have yet to see a sample of a Northeastern Iranian. Can you post one?
08-24-2019, 06:25 PM
Negah

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mingle

I have yet to see a sample of a Northeastern Iranian. Can you post one?

I’ll see if I can find the kit number on gedmatch
08-24-2019, 09:19 PM
Zoro

Quote:

Originally Posted by lameduck

Individuals guessing don't mean much , many MENAs come to me all the time and speak in their language but I look Paki its because most multiethnic societies are in western European countries where white people are very different from every type of Asian.

these are Kurds

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anth...ople-t806.html
and these are Pakis

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anth...ople-t804.html

you guys overlap with your Turkish neighbours much better .

Ok i kind of see where you’re coming from. Haduken posts pictures of kurds from his area. Some of them overlap the Iraqi kurds from my family but many don’t. He himself has said Iraqi kurds look foreign to him. By Pakis i’m including all types of pashtuns and balochis too. Actually some of his pictures do overlap pashtuns and Balochis.

But ok the challenge is on and maybe you do have an extra sharp eye. We shall see :) I’ll post some pics of random Pakis and kurds some from my family and some from my area with a poll and ask to say which are kurds and which are pakis.

Now don’t wimp out on me because if you don’t guess I’ll assume you can’t tell the difference. This is your chance to prove me wrong. I’ll make sure the pics i post are verifiable. Good luck.
08-24-2019, 09:38 PM
lameduck

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoro

Ok i kind of see where you’re coming from. Haduken posts pictures of kurds from his area. Some of them overlap the Iraqi kurds from my family but many don’t. He himself has said Iraqi kurds look foreign to him. By Pakis i’m including all types of pashtuns and balochis too. Actually some of his pictures do overlap pashtuns and Balochis.

But ok the challenge is on and maybe you do have an extra sharp eye. We shall see :) I’ll post some pics of random Pakis and kurds some from my family and some from my area with a poll and ask to say which are kurds and which are pakis.

Now don’t wimp out on me because if you don’t guess I’ll assume you can’t tell the difference. This is your chance to prove me wrong. I’ll make sure the pics i post are verifiable. Good luck.

well i am not denying we doesnt look same specie , you can feel assocaition to Pakistan as much as you want afterall Pakistan is indo iranian heartland with Gandhara and IVC, but these forums attract very immature people who might think you are trying to darkwash kurds and think i want to whitewash pakis , i dont want such comments , personally i think iraqi arabs are more deserving of your assocaition as your country has lot of fractured faultlines.
08-24-2019, 09:55 PM
Leto

The Pakistanis are South Asians and considered Asian in the US and UK. Someone who is half Paki half European is considered mixed race. The Kurds are West Asians and counted as white in the US because the ME & NA region is included in that category. Kurds have less South Asian in them than many Iranians of Iran, let alone South-Central Asians.
08-24-2019, 10:26 PM
Zoro

Quote:

Originally Posted by lameduck

well i am not denying certain similarities , you can feel assocaition to Pakistan as much as you want afterall Pakistan is indo iranian heartland with Gandhara and IVC, but these forums attract very immature people who might think you are trying to darkwash kurds and think i want to whitewash pakis , i dont want such comments , personally i think iraqi arabs are more deserving of your assocaition as your country has lot of fractured faultlines.

You are right there’s a bunch of losers and idiots here who get a kick out of belittling others or have complexes and try to whitewash themselves or their ethnicities , but who cares about them.

When I was in college i had friends from Iraq, iran, Afganistan, Saudi, Assyrians, Pakis, and Israelis. They all treated me like one of their own and i did the same. I judge a person by their character and not about the politics of their country.

There are alot of keyboard warriors though who have created a bad image for their ethnicity but i think those people whether they are kurds, pashtuns, punjabis, turks, persians are 2nd generation in other words born outside their countries.

For example Kurds such as myself who are raised in Kurdistan or Pashtuns or Punjabis raised in Pakistan you’ll find are very hospitable and respectful by nature. Alot of The ones born and raised overseas you ‘ll will find are idiots

You probably have a better eye than me that’s why I want to see how good you are at guessing kurds from my area from pakis
08-25-2019, 12:26 AM
Negah

Quote:

Originally Posted by lameduck

well i am not denying we doesnt look same specie , you can feel assocaition to Pakistan as much as you want afterall Pakistan is indo iranian heartland with Gandhara and IVC, but these forums attract very immature people who might think you are trying to darkwash kurds and think i want to whitewash pakis , i dont want such comments , personally i think iraqi arabs are more deserving of your assocaition as your country has lot of fractured faultlines.

The problem is that a good number of south Asian and mena members join these forums to whitewash their countries. It is so easy to troll them. Sometimes I am so tempted. I have seen some members from these countries photoshop their pictures for classification, so they look light. And they only post the lightest people from their respective countries for classification. IMO there is definitely a colorism problem in these countries which manifest itself on these forums
08-25-2019, 12:27 AM
Negah

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoro

You are right there’s a bunch of losers and idiots here who get a kick out of belittling others or have complexes and try to whitewash themselves or their ethnicities , but who cares about them.

When I was in college i had friends from Iraq, iran, Afganistan, Saudi, Assyrians, Pakis, and Israelis. They all treated me like one of their own and i did the same. I judge a person by their character and not about the politics of their country.

There are alot of keyboard warriors though who have created a bad image for their ethnicity but i think those people whether they are kurds, pashtuns, punjabis, turks, persians are 2nd generation in other words born outside their countries.

For example Kurds such as myself who are raised in Kurdistan or Pashtuns or Punjabis raised in Pakistan you’ll find are very hospitable and respectful by nature. Alot of The ones born and raised overseas you ‘ll will find are idiots

You probably have a better eye than me that’s why I want to see how good you are at guessing kurds from my area from pakis

+1
08-25-2019, 02:40 PM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoro

You are right there’s a bunch of losers and idiots here who get a kick out of belittling others or have complexes and try to whitewash themselves or their ethnicities , but who cares about them.

When I was in college i had friends from Iraq, iran, Afganistan, Saudi, Assyrians, Pakis, and Israelis. They all treated me like one of their own and i did the same. I judge a person by their character and not about the politics of their country.

There are alot of keyboard warriors though who have created a bad image for their ethnicity but i think those people whether they are kurds, pashtuns, punjabis, turks, persians are 2nd generation in other words born outside their countries.

For example Kurds such as myself who are raised in Kurdistan or Pashtuns or Punjabis raised in Pakistan you’ll find are very hospitable and respectful by nature. Alot of The ones born and raised overseas you ‘ll will find are idiots

You probably have a better eye than me that’s why I want to see how good you are at guessing kurds from my area from pakis

Cant wait to see these classifiction threads then. Take care and i hope the project is going well.
08-25-2019, 02:40 PM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoro

You are right there’s a bunch of losers and idiots here who get a kick out of belittling others or have complexes and try to whitewash themselves or their ethnicities , but who cares about them.

When I was in college i had friends from Iraq, iran, Afganistan, Saudi, Assyrians, Pakis, and Israelis. They all treated me like one of their own and i did the same. I judge a person by their character and not about the politics of their country.

There are alot of keyboard warriors though who have created a bad image for their ethnicity but i think those people whether they are kurds, pashtuns, punjabis, turks, persians are 2nd generation in other words born outside their countries.

For example Kurds such as myself who are raised in Kurdistan or Pashtuns or Punjabis raised in Pakistan you’ll find are very hospitable and respectful by nature. Alot of The ones born and raised overseas you ‘ll will find are idiots

You probably have a better eye than me that’s why I want to see how good you are at guessing kurds from my area from pakis

Cant wait to see these classifiction threads then. Take care and i hope the project is going well.
08-25-2019, 02:52 PM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoro

Ok i kind of see where you’re coming from. Haduken posts pictures of kurds from his area. Some of them overlap the Iraqi kurds from my family but many don’t. He himself has said Iraqi kurds look foreign to him. By Pakis i’m including all types of pashtuns and balochis too. Actually some of his pictures do overlap pashtuns and Balochis.

But ok the challenge is on and maybe you do have an extra sharp eye. We shall see :) I’ll post some pics of random Pakis and kurds some from my family and some from my area with a poll and ask to say which are kurds and which are pakis.

Now don’t wimp out on me because if you don’t guess I’ll assume you can’t tell the difference. This is your chance to prove me wrong. I’ll make sure the pics i post are verifiable. Good luck.

TBH dude, i think they(turkish kurds) are as common as iraqi kurds. I only seen one iraqi kurd in my life and most other kurds were from turkey. I also seen one single iranian kurd(the guy is named keyhan the freeman….i guess you seen him before on youtube). They kind of did look more eastern compared to the kurds i seen.

But when you mention kurds, i think you only limit it to iranian and iraq kurds…..the ones looking more similiar to paks?
08-27-2019, 10:39 AM
Zoro

Quote:

Originally Posted by hussein khan

TBH dude, i think they(turkish kurds) are as common as iraqi kurds. I only seen one iraqi kurd in my life and most other kurds were from turkey. I also seen one single iranian kurd(the guy is named keyhan the freeman….i guess you seen him before on youtube). They kind of did look more eastern compared to the kurds i seen.

But when you mention kurds, i think you only limit it to iranian and iraq kurds…..the ones looking more similiar to paks?

Correct, Iraq and Iran
08-27-2019, 03:52 PM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoro

Correct, Iraq and Iran

Seems like it. Most, if not all turkey kurds seems too different from south asians(although some indeed had a little overlap with pashtuns and some are even brown-skinned).

But i only seen two eastern kurds in my life(iranian and iraqi ones). They actually seems different from the turkish kurds i seen and could pass a little better in the more eastern parts...
08-28-2019, 10:48 AM
Kyp

Copper Age Iran

#1
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 51.39
2 Baloch 21.01
3 SW-Asian 16.8
4 Mediterranean 7.99
5 Papuan 1.49
6 Beringian 0.68
7 W-African 0.49
8 S-Indian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 assyrian (harappa) 2.56
2 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 4.49
3 iranian-jew (behar) 5.77
4 georgia-jew (behar) 6.07
5 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 6.34
6 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 6.42
7 armenian (harappa) 7.06
8 armenian (yunusbayev) 7.33
9 iraq-jew (behar) 7.7
10 armenian (behar) 10.09
11 kurd (yunusbayev) 10.12
12 lebanese-druze (haber) 10.72
13 kurd (xing) 10.93
14 turkish (harappa) 11.43
15 kurd (harappa) 11.92
16 lebanese-muslim (haber) 12.16
17 azeri (harappa) 12.27
18 lebanese-christian (haber) 12.39
19 turk (behar) 13.12
20 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 13.22

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.2% assyrian (harappa) + 2.8% makrani (hgdp) @ 2.19
2 97.4% assyrian (harappa) + 2.6% brahui (hgdp) @ 2.2
3 97.4% assyrian (harappa) + 2.6% balochi (hgdp) @ 2.22
4 99.1% assyrian (harappa) + 0.9% papuan (hgdp) @ 2.28
5 90.2% assyrian (harappa) + 9.8% kurd (xing) @ 2.28
6 99% assyrian (harappa) + 1% melanesian (hgdp) @ 2.32
7 99% assyrian (harappa) + 1% aus (reich) @ 2.34
8 97.8% assyrian (harappa) + 2.2% kalash (hgdp) @ 2.34
9 98.1% assyrian (harappa) + 1.9% sindhi (hgdp) @ 2.36
10 92.4% assyrian (harappa) + 7.6% kurd (harappa) @ 2.37
11 93.6% assyrian (harappa) + 6.4% iranian (behar) @ 2.38
12 98.3% assyrian (harappa) + 1.7% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 2.38
13 98.2% assyrian (harappa) + 1.8% bhatia (harappa) @ 2.39
14 98.1% assyrian (harappa) + 1.9% pathan (hgdp) @ 2.4
15 98.2% assyrian (harappa) + 1.8% sindhi (harappa) @ 2.41
16 98.3% assyrian (harappa) + 1.7% burusho (hgdp) @ 2.41
17 98.3% assyrian (harappa) + 1.7% punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) @ 2.41
18 98.5% assyrian (harappa) + 1.5% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 2.42
19 98.5% assyrian (harappa) + 1.5% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) @ 2.43
20 98.3% assyrian (harappa) + 1.7% gujarati-muslim (harappa) @ 2.43

#2
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 50.11
2 Baloch 21.77
3 SW-Asian 15.54
4 Mediterranean 7.55
5 W-African 2.41
6 S-Indian 1.38
7 Siberian 1.07
8 Pygmy 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 assyrian (harappa) 4.6
2 azerbaijan-jew (behar) 6.04
3 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 6.44
4 armenian (harappa) 7.07
5 iranian-jew (behar) 7.11
6 iraqi-mandaean (harappa) 7.29
7 georgia-jew (behar) 7.67
8 armenian (yunusbayev) 8.3
9 kurd (yunusbayev) 8.86
10 iraq-jew (behar) 9.09
11 kurd (xing) 9.72
12 kurd (harappa) 10.53
13 turkish (harappa) 10.53
14 armenian (behar) 10.64
15 azeri (harappa) 10.97
16 lebanese-druze (haber) 12.13
17 iranian (harappa) 12.37
18 iranian (behar) 12.49
19 turk (behar) 12.49
20 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 12.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.3% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 10.7% makrani (hgdp) @ 2.88
2 90.4% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 9.6% brahui (hgdp) @ 3.11
3 89.9% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 10.1% balochi (hgdp) @ 3.15
4 93.3% assyrian (harappa) + 6.7% makrani (hgdp) @ 3.34
5 93.7% assyrian (harappa) + 6.3% balochi (hgdp) @ 3.4
6 93.4% assyrian (harappa) + 6.6% kalash (hgdp) @ 3.45
7 95.7% assyrian (harappa) + 4.3% siddi (reich) @ 3.45
8 94.4% assyrian (harappa) + 5.6% sindhi (hgdp) @ 3.45
9 94.1% assyrian (harappa) + 5.9% brahui (hgdp) @ 3.46
10 80.1% assyrian (harappa) + 19.9% iranian (harappa) @ 3.52
11 94.6% assyrian (harappa) + 5.4% punjabi-arain (xing) @ 3.53
12 94.3% assyrian (harappa) + 5.7% bhatia (harappa) @ 3.54
13 71% azerbaijan-jew (behar) + 29% iranian (behar) @ 3.55
14 80.4% assyrian (harappa) + 19.6% iranian (behar) @ 3.56
15 93.8% assyrian (harappa) + 6.2% pathan (hgdp) @ 3.56
16 94.1% assyrian (harappa) + 5.9% sindhi (harappa) @ 3.59
17 94.3% assyrian (harappa) + 5.7% burusho (hgdp) @ 3.59
18 94.6% assyrian (harappa) + 5.4% kashmiri-pandit (reich) @ 3.6
19 94.9% assyrian (harappa) + 5.1% punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) @ 3.61
20 94.8% assyrian (harappa) + 5.2% kashmiri-pahari (harappa) @ 3.61
08-31-2019, 06:18 PM
Kyp

Yagnobi Result (Eastern Iranics)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 28.81
2 Caucasian 25.74
3 NE-Euro 22.5
4 Mediterranean 5.99
5 S-Indian 4.1
6 SW-Asian 3.9
7 Siberian 3.46
8 NE-Asian 1.86
9 American 1.26
10 Beringian 0.94
11 SE-Asian 0.72
12 Papuan 0.72

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 tajik (yunusbayev) 9.79
2 turkmen (yunusbayev) 14.47
3 stalskoe (xing) 15.06
4 urkarah (xing) 17.48
5 pashtun (harappa) 19.3
6 lezgin (behar) 20.17
7 nogai (yunusbayev) 20.3
8 iranian (harappa) 21.75
9 kumyk (yunusbayev) 21.86
10 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 22.57
11 iranian (behar) 23.09
12 kurd (harappa) 23.27
13 romanian-b (behar) 24.28
14 azeri (harappa) 24.29
15 chechen (yunusbayev) 24.34
16 turkish (harappa) 24.49
17 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 24.64
18 kurd (yunusbayev) 25.09
19 kurd (xing) 25.13
20 kalash (hgdp) 25.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.5% tajik (yunusbayev) + 21.5% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 5.71
2 78.6% tajik (yunusbayev) + 21.4% romanian-a (behar) @ 5.93
3 64.5% tajik (yunusbayev) + 35.5% stalskoe (xing) @ 6.23
4 69% tajik (yunusbayev) + 31% urkarah (xing) @ 6.52
5 84.1% tajik (yunusbayev) + 15.9% slovenian (xing) @ 6.75
6 83.8% tajik (yunusbayev) + 16.2% hungarian (behar) @ 6.78
7 85.8% tajik (yunusbayev) + 14.2% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 6.99
8 81.1% tajik (yunusbayev) + 18.9% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 7.05
9 82.7% tajik (yunusbayev) + 17.3% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 7.06
10 87.2% tajik (yunusbayev) + 12.8% russian (behar) @ 7.14
11 87.6% tajik (yunusbayev) + 12.4% belorussian (behar) @ 7.23
12 74.3% tajik (yunusbayev) + 25.7% lezgin (behar) @ 7.31
13 78.2% tajik (yunusbayev) + 21.8% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 7.34
14 85.1% tajik (yunusbayev) + 14.9% italian (hgdp) @ 7.39
15 82.2% tajik (yunusbayev) + 17.8% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 7.44
16 66.6% stalskoe (xing) + 33.4% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 7.53
17 87.2% tajik (yunusbayev) + 12.8% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 7.58
18 89.6% tajik (yunusbayev) + 10.4% lithuanian (behar) @ 7.61
19 87.5% tajik (yunusbayev) + 12.5% n-european (xing) @ 7.62
20 87.1% tajik (yunusbayev) + 12.9% french (hgdp) @ 7.72
08-31-2019, 06:20 PM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Yagnobi Result (Eastern Iranics)

Kit HE9694596

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 28.81
2 Caucasian 25.74
3 NE-Euro 22.5
4 Mediterranean 5.99
5 S-Indian 4.1
6 SW-Asian 3.9
7 Siberian 3.46
8 NE-Asian 1.86
9 American 1.26
10 Beringian 0.94
11 SE-Asian 0.72
12 Papuan 0.72

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 tajik (yunusbayev) 9.79
2 turkmen (yunusbayev) 14.47
3 stalskoe (xing) 15.06
4 urkarah (xing) 17.48
5 pashtun (harappa) 19.3
6 lezgin (behar) 20.17
7 nogai (yunusbayev) 20.3
8 iranian (harappa) 21.75
9 kumyk (yunusbayev) 21.86
10 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 22.57
11 iranian (behar) 23.09
12 kurd (harappa) 23.27
13 romanian-b (behar) 24.28
14 azeri (harappa) 24.29
15 chechen (yunusbayev) 24.34
16 turkish (harappa) 24.49
17 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 24.64
18 kurd (yunusbayev) 25.09
19 kurd (xing) 25.13
20 kalash (hgdp) 25.27

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.5% tajik (yunusbayev) + 21.5% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 5.71
2 78.6% tajik (yunusbayev) + 21.4% romanian-a (behar) @ 5.93
3 64.5% tajik (yunusbayev) + 35.5% stalskoe (xing) @ 6.23
4 69% tajik (yunusbayev) + 31% urkarah (xing) @ 6.52
5 84.1% tajik (yunusbayev) + 15.9% slovenian (xing) @ 6.75
6 83.8% tajik (yunusbayev) + 16.2% hungarian (behar) @ 6.78
7 85.8% tajik (yunusbayev) + 14.2% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 6.99
8 81.1% tajik (yunusbayev) + 18.9% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 7.05
9 82.7% tajik (yunusbayev) + 17.3% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 7.06
10 87.2% tajik (yunusbayev) + 12.8% russian (behar) @ 7.14
11 87.6% tajik (yunusbayev) + 12.4% belorussian (behar) @ 7.23
12 74.3% tajik (yunusbayev) + 25.7% lezgin (behar) @ 7.31
13 78.2% tajik (yunusbayev) + 21.8% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 7.34
14 85.1% tajik (yunusbayev) + 14.9% italian (hgdp) @ 7.39
15 82.2% tajik (yunusbayev) + 17.8% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 7.44
16 66.6% stalskoe (xing) + 33.4% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 7.53
17 87.2% tajik (yunusbayev) + 12.8% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 7.58
18 89.6% tajik (yunusbayev) + 10.4% lithuanian (behar) @ 7.61
19 87.5% tajik (yunusbayev) + 12.5% n-european (xing) @ 7.62
20 87.1% tajik (yunusbayev) + 12.9% french (hgdp) @ 7.72

Seems like leto likes to share kits...
08-31-2019, 06:22 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by hussein khan

Seems like leto likes to share kits...

No, I didn't share anything. Those Yagnobis have been floating around the internet for months. They're from Anthrogenica, Khanabadoshi uploaded them, I believe.
08-31-2019, 06:23 PM
hussein khan

I know. Thought most of you forgot about them, until i posted them to you in PM's.
08-31-2019, 06:26 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by hussein khan

Seems like leto likes to share kits...

i've got them from anthrogenica

Are the Yagnobis the best fit for iranic migration into Iran?
Most iranians could be modeled 50%Assyrian or Armenian 50%Yagnobi basically
08-31-2019, 06:28 PM
hussein khan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

i've got them from anthrogenica

Are the Yagnobis the best fit for iranic migration into Iran?
Most iranians could be modeled 50%Assyrian or Armenian 50%Yagnobi basically

i dont know. But i know you got them from AG. I did myself too. Just bad all the tajikstani kits dont work...
08-31-2019, 06:56 PM
Babak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

i've got them from anthrogenica

Are the Yagnobis the best fit for iranic migration into Iran?
Most iranians could be modeled 50%Assyrian or Armenian 50%Yagnobi basically

Yep. Yaghnobis and Pamiris are in fact the best proxy for Early Iranics.
08-31-2019, 09:56 PM
SharpFork

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babak

Yep. Yaghnobis and Pamiris are in fact the best proxy for Early Iranics.

Question is are they good proxy for most historical Bactrians or Sogdians(pre Gokturks) too?
08-31-2019, 10:42 PM
Babak

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharpFork

Question is are they good proxy for most historical Bactrians or Sogdians(pre Gokturks) too?

Oh yea, early iranics in general.
08-31-2019, 10:49 PM
SharpFork

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babak

Oh yea, early iranics in general.

Did they generally have so little South Asian?

Edit:Nevermind, it's South Indian it would be nice to see the Eurogenes 13k results.
08-31-2019, 10:57 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharpFork

Did they generally have so little South Asian?

Edit:Nevermind, it's South Indian it would be nice to see the Eurogenes 13k results.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 39.42
2 Baltic 14.57
3 North_Atlantic 12.3
4 South_Asian 11.92
5 East_Med 8.24
6 West_Med 3.74
7 Siberian 3.61
8 East_Asian 1.74
9 Amerindian 1.7
10 Red_Sea 1.24
11 Northeast_African 1.07
12 Sub-Saharan 0.39
13 Oceanian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tabassaran 9.79
2 Tadjik 10.09
3 Chechen 11.01
4 Lezgin 11.75
5 Kabardin 12.47
6 Kumyk 12.64
7 Afghan_Pashtun 13.55
8 Balkar 14.27
9 Afghan_Tadjik 14.63
10 Adygei 14.69
11 North_Ossetian 14.92
12 Ossetian 15.61
13 Turkmen 16.81
14 Nogay 18.11
15 Azeri 21.71
16 Georgian 22.54
17 Kalash 23.03
18 Kurdish 23.14
19 Iranian 23.43
20 Makrani 23.53

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.9% Tabassaran + 49.1% Tadjik @ 3.72
2 52.6% Tadjik + 47.4% Chechen @ 4.1
3 54.6% Tadjik + 45.4% Lezgin @ 4.53
4 61.9% Tabassaran + 38.1% Afghan_Tadjik @ 4.85
5 89% Tabassaran + 11% Austroasiatic_Ho @ 4.88
6 84.8% Tabassaran + 15.2% Bangladeshi @ 4.88
7 81% Chechen + 19% Brahmin_UP @ 4.94
8 87.8% Tabassaran + 12.2% Chenchu @ 5.16
9 83% Chechen + 17% Bangladeshi @ 5.26
10 87.2% Tabassaran + 12.8% Uttar_Pradesh @ 5.26
11 85.4% Chechen + 14.6% Uttar_Pradesh @ 5.29
12 88.7% Tabassaran + 11.3% Chamar @ 5.34
13 86.5% Tabassaran + 13.5% Dharkar @ 5.35
14 87.7% Tabassaran + 12.3% Kol @ 5.38
15 87.9% Tabassaran + 12.1% North_Kannadi @ 5.39
16 82.4% Chechen + 17.6% Kshatriya @ 5.41
17 83.7% Tabassaran + 16.3% Brahmin_UP @ 5.42
18 85.9% Chechen + 14.1% Kol @ 5.44
19 88.8% Tabassaran + 11.2% Sakilli @ 5.44
20 75.7% Tabassaran + 24.3% Burusho @ 5.46

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