Just requested them from Davidski, should get them very soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier727
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Just requested them from Davidski, should get them very soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier727
AndreiDNA did some f4 statistics for me also:
result: Gannicus Denmark_IA.SG Scotland_EIA.AG Dinka.DG 0.000099 0.000626 0.158 8974 8961 134189
what this means is: Gannicus is symmetrically related to Denmark Iron Age and Scotland Iron Age
Positive f4 means you are slightly more related to Denmark_IA
however the Z is insignificant (0.158)
result: Gannicus Scotland_EIA.AG Greek.HO Estonian.HO 0.000399 0.000240 1.658 8457 8403 134234
This suggests you are slightly Greek shifted relative to scotland_EIA, but the Z (1.658) is in the grey zone. Some would consider this result statistically significant and some wouldnt.
result: Gannicus Denmark_IA.SG Greek.HO Estonian.HO 0.000786 0.000211 3.720 11490 11347 182109
This suggests, without a shadow of a doubt, that you are Greek shifted relative to Denmark_IA. The F4 is positive (0.000786) and the Z is above 3 (3.720)
result: Gannicus Denmark_IA.SG Spain_IA_Celt.AG Estonian.HO 0.001931 0.000508 3.802 9923 9622 155551
Statistically significant (Z=3.8) and positive f4. You are Celtiberian shifted relative to Denmark IA
result: Gannicus Scotland_EIA.AG Spain_IA_Celt.AG Estonian.HO -0.000107 0.000562 -0.189 7914 7928 126089
Statistically insignificant (Z=-0.189) and negative F4. You are not celtiberian shifted relative to Scotland EIA
result: Gannicus Scotland_EIA.AG Bulgaria_LIA.AG Estonian.HO 0.000741 0.000880 0.842 3690 3647 58724
Statistically insignificant (Z=0.842) and positive f4. You are somewhat Thracian shifted relative to Scotland EIA.
result: Gannicus Denmark_IA.SG Bulgaria_LIA.AG Estonian.HO 0.001646 0.000749 2.196 4591 4472 72424
Statistically significant (Z=2.196) and positive F4. You are thracian shifted relative to Denmark IA.
OpenAI Breakdown:
1. Denmark IA vs Scotland EIA (North Sea baseline)
f4(Gannicus, Denmark_IA; Scotland_EIA, Dinka)
Z = 0.158
Interpretation:
Essentially zero.
You are symmetrically related to Iron Age Denmark and Iron Age Scotland.
This confirms a North Sea–balanced NW European profile, not a skew toward one side.
This matches qpAdm behavior where Denmark and Britain are hard to separate.
2. Eastern Mediterranean signal: Greece_HO tests
Scotland comparison
f4(Gannicus, Scotland_EIA; Greek_HO, Estonian_HO)
Z = 1.658
Slight Greek/Eastern Mediterranean pull relative to Scotland.
Not formally significant, but directionally consistent.
Denmark comparison
f4(Gannicus, Denmark_IA; Greek_HO, Estonian_HO)
Z = 3.720
Statistically significant
You are clearly more Greek/Eastern Mediterranean–shifted relative to Denmark IA
Key point:
The Eastern Mediterranean signal is stronger relative to Denmark than to Britain, which is exactly what your qpAdm + G25 models show.
3. Iberian (Celtiberian) signal
Denmark comparison
f4(Gannicus, Denmark_IA; Spain_IA_Celt, Estonian_HO)
Z = 3.802
Statistically significant
You are Celtiberian-shifted relative to Denmark IA
Scotland comparison
f4(Gannicus, Scotland_EIA; Spain_IA_Celt, Estonian_HO)
Z = -0.189
Not significant
No detectable Celtiberian shift relative to Scotland
Interpretation:
Your Iberian/Celtic affinity is shared with Britain, but exceeds Denmark, again reinforcing:
Britain ≈ Denmark for you overall, but Denmark lacks some southern/continental pull that you have.
4. Southeast European (Thracian / Balkan) signal
Scotland comparison
f4(Gannicus, Scotland_EIA; Bulgaria_LIA, Estonian_HO)
Z = 0.842
Weak, non-significant SE European pull relative to Scotland
Denmark comparison
f4(Gannicus, Denmark_IA; Bulgaria_LIA, Estonian_HO)
Z = 2.196
Borderline significant
You are more Balkan/SE-European-shifted relative to Denmark
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Originally Posted by Gannicus
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It’s a kind of odd that you end up scoring more Germanic than me on this one, would you mind posting your G25 NW PCA, I’m just curious to see where you plot.
https://i.postimg.cc/Gp1kQP2K/mygeneticmakeup.png
using England_MIA_LIA for Insular gets me roughly 1-2% higher germanic and insular but w/ slightly higher standard error values. I also tried using Denmark_Jutland_IA however it bloated my Germanic % at the cost of Insular, so i stuck with Denmark_IA instead
Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled,0.1297 58,0.139128,0.057322,0.03553,0.040315,0.011156,-0.00611,0.003923,0.005113,0.008565,-0.009094,0.009891,-0.008622,-0.020231,0.023208,0.010475,-0.004433,-0.000507,0.004148,0.003001,0.011729,0.004699,-0.00419,0.015544,0.001437Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier727
https://vahaduo.github.io/g25views/#NorthwestEurope
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use scotland_ia and create a custom pop with nor2b6 and r2055 for iron age gaulQuote:
Originally Posted by Birchy
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With drb's rights plus additions:
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Same rights just Vk522 taken out of the list because it is now a source.
@Gannicus
Thanks for sharing, yeah, you plot quite clearly on the Irish / Brittany side on G25. The higher Germanic in qpAdm might be due to elevated Steppe ancestry. I think it could very well represent actual Germanic ancestry; do you have any in your paper trail?
Yeah, I've got some German ancestry. From the Rhineland Palatinate, Northwest Germany (Lippe), and Hesse. This is mostly following the trail on Ancestry.com. The Germanic can come from multiple sources when it comes to my overall ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier727
On 23&Me historical matches I do match VK522 as well as other ancient samples that cluster with IA Scandinavia:
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If any of you want to check, here are the other matches:
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Does it make sense if i combine Czech.ho and English.ho samples to create a pseudo-German population?
https://i.postimg.cc/pXX3GCzK/image.png
I've got a new experiment for Birchy and Xavier :P
I want you guys to model yourselves with these:
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References:
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Just testing out that east med/med signal further.
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Originally Posted by Gannicus
Didn't work
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With this model. I seemed to have pulled out Natufian from the ANF. I'll note that Steppe is too high and WHG is too low.
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Not for me neither
Maybe a British IA source would work better?
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Originally Posted by Gannicus
Failed
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You may have to swap different references out such as instead of France Mesolithic, you can add Spain Mesolithic instead. And possibly it just may not work at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier727
remove the natufian popQuote:
Originally Posted by Xavier727
He was trying a model with Natufian outside of ANF. With the references I posted, I was able to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by drb234
England IA + Denmark IA
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Other Scandinavian sources don't necessarily work with this current list of references:
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Originally Posted by Gannicus
Nice :thumb001:Quote:
Originally Posted by Birchy
Try this oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Gannicus
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Originally Posted by Xavier727
I'll have to try some other British IA samples I think.
I've tried England_MIA and Scotland_MIA_LIA. Both did the same thing as that first model. I'll keep attempting others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xavier727
Leaving out a British IA source yields this result:
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These combinations work for me:
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References
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Same references with Lithuania_BA.AG added
G25 doesn't want to add Denmark IA to my admixture.
Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0231% / 0.02311849
100.0 England_MIA
Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
Distance: 0.0283% / 0.02826810
100.0 England_EastYorkshire_MIA
Naturally though G25< qpAdm.
I tried my best with this complex tool:
https://i.postimg.cc/ZnMYBV2w/bt.png
For East Germans could be I’d say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fistora
I just noticed that I didn't post the full reference list. I pasted a duplicate of the first half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gannicus
Here is the full list:
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Originally Posted by Gannicus
Failed the first time, I had to add a few extra reference populations to get it to work
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Natufian isolation models
With Yamnaya
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References:
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With Corded Ware
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Same model with Loschbour WHG instead of Germany WHG:
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The above result is from the first set of references in my post #392
This result is with Russia Steppe Eneolithic, Veretye EHG, and Latvia LN CordedWare removed from references:
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Ignore the "attached thumbnails". The way this forum has users upload images is very clunky compared to others.
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My Neolithic model
See if you can pull Natufian out of Barcin like I did. You may have to use the references I used from #392Quote:
Originally Posted by Birchy
Instead of Natufian I used Morocco SKH MN with this one.
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Added Morocco EN to the rights:
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My recent results of modern Czech samples, Polish, and for me. I reduced the amount of references which resulted in increased margins but i think in general the, results are okay
https://i.postimg.cc/pT584SXL/image.png
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And Rights:
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I also asked AndreiDNA for his take if he were to make a YouTube style video about my genome.
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"This sample falls in the cluster of the typical modern British, however it has slight affinities to the Eastern Mediterranean due to excess Zagrosian, ANF, and even possible excess Natufian admixture. The east mediterranean element, if it is present, is very minor, in the single digit percentage. Gannicus also has strong affinities toward iron age Germanics and seems to be slightly more Germanic influenced than the average Englishman."