Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

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Originally Posted by Mesoman

If you add 50% russian and 50% mountain jew some of the closest population groups you get are a few western turkish populations, bulgarians, moldovans and crimean tatars?

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Yes, you do and the distance is not even that close.


Here is the average without MJ1 and MJ7

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Mountain_Jew_Dagestan,17.76,0.13,1.74,0.59,9.18,3.33,0.50,0.37,19.47,0.73,46.14,0.08

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Distance to: Mountain_Jew_Dagestan
2.10848287 Azeri_Jew
2.42190008 Assyrian_South
2.52489604 Assyrian_North
2.92887350 Assyrian_West
3.71288298 Kurdish_Jew
4.67363884 Iraqi_Jew
4.79316180 Mandean
5.88870954 Armenian_West
7.89084913 Armenian_East
8.82691905 Turk_East

Distance to: Mountain_Jew_Dagestan
0.95860204 86.00% Kurdish_Jew + 14.00% Ossetian_South
1.07063740 83.00% Iraqi_Jew + 17.00% Ossetian_South
1.20884264 86.20% Kurdish_Jew + 13.80% Ossetian
1.21126792 14.80% Abkhazian + 85.20% Kurdish_Jew
1.26775454 18.20% Abkhazian + 81.80% Iraqi_Jew
1.27187696 14.20% Adyghe + 85.80% Kurdish_Jew
1.38784725 20.00% Georgian_Kartli-Kakheti + 80.00% Kurdish_Jew
1.44103504 13.00% Karachay + 87.00% Kurdish_Jew
1.47000905 12.60% Balkar + 87.40% Kurdish_Jew
1.48413940 13.20% Circassian + 86.80% Kurdish_Jew

Target: Mountain_Jew_Dagestan
Distance: 1.5690% / 1.56900054 | ADC: 0.5x RC
85.7 Azeri_Jew
10.4 Syrian_Muslim
3.9 Ossetian

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Originally Posted by Leto

Yes, you do and the distance is not even that close.


Here is the average without MJ1 and MJ7

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Mountain_Jew_Dagestan,17.76,0.13,1.74,0.59,9.18,3.33,0.50,0.37,19.47,0.73,46.14,0.08

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Distance to: Mountain_Jew_Dagestan
2.10848287 Azeri_Jew
2.42190008 Assyrian_South
2.52489604 Assyrian_North
2.92887350 Assyrian_West
3.71288298 Kurdish_Jew
4.67363884 Iraqi_Jew
4.79316180 Mandean
5.88870954 Armenian_West
7.89084913 Armenian_East
8.82691905 Turk_East

Distance to: Mountain_Jew_Dagestan
0.95860204 86.00% Kurdish_Jew + 14.00% Ossetian_South
1.07063740 83.00% Iraqi_Jew + 17.00% Ossetian_South
1.20884264 86.20% Kurdish_Jew + 13.80% Ossetian
1.21126792 14.80% Abkhazian + 85.20% Kurdish_Jew
1.26775454 18.20% Abkhazian + 81.80% Iraqi_Jew
1.27187696 14.20% Adyghe + 85.80% Kurdish_Jew
1.38784725 20.00% Georgian_Kartli-Kakheti + 80.00% Kurdish_Jew
1.44103504 13.00% Karachay + 87.00% Kurdish_Jew
1.47000905 12.60% Balkar + 87.40% Kurdish_Jew
1.48413940 13.20% Circassian + 86.80% Kurdish_Jew

Target: Mountain_Jew_Dagestan
Distance: 1.5690% / 1.56900054 | ADC: 0.5x RC
85.7 Azeri_Jew
10.4 Syrian_Muslim
3.9 Ossetian

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That wasn't my point. From the samples i mentioned in the post you replied to have either levantine shifts or even more "northern" anatolian/caucasus shifts. While mj1 and mj7 are exempt from the average, it gets more realistic, but individually it isn't only mj1 or mj7 that's considerably different.As you are saying for 50% russian 50% mountain jewish mj7 well...

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Originally Posted by Mesoman

That wasn't my point. From the samples i mentioned in the post you replied to have either levantine shifts or even more "northern" anatolian/caucasus shifts. While mj1 and mj7 are exempt from the average, it gets more realistic, but individually it isn't only mj1 or mj7 that's considerably different.As you are saying for 50% russian 50% mountain jewish mj7 well...

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All the others seem to be more or less pure. At least not 50 or 25 percent foreign. No ethnicity will be 100% monolithic or homogenous. A 2-3% variation is to be expected nearly everywhere.

Yes you can detect outliers and remove them. Then I can add pure average to Vahaduo.

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Originally Posted by Lucas

Yes you can detect outliers and remove them. Then I can add pure average to Vahaduo.

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I think what I just did should be good enough.

0.95860204 86.00% Kurdish_Jew + 14.00% Ossetian_South

Basically Babylonian/Persian Jew plus some Caucasian shift.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I think what I just did should be good enough.

0.95860204 86.00% Kurdish_Jew + 14.00% Ossetian_South

Basically Babylonian/Persian Jew plus some Caucasian shift.

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I dunno mate about persian jews being purely ancient babylonian Jewish. Even Iraqi jews aren't probably 100% ancient babylonian jewish. The difference might be 5-10% at max in iraqi jews and in persian jew a little bit more than that. As for the mountain jews in general they do show the closest affinity to kurdish jews, iranian jews out of all the other mizrahi jews. I don't know if they interbred with caucasians but they might have interbred slightly with iranians plotting them a tad north to persian and kurdish jews. As for the other results i mentioned in the previous post,imo there seems to be a difference worth of 5-15% either to the levantine side or the anatolian/caucasus side.

It is probably safe to say that any mountain jew who scores more caucasus and plots closer to all the 3 assyrian groups, azeri jews and both armenian groups along with eastern black sea turks, eastern turks and pontic greeks compared to georgian jews is around 15% caucasus admixed...

A new result from Azerbaijan. Father of this person is Azerbaijani from Fuzuli, while the mother is Crimean Tatar(although Tatar side might be additionally mixed with Ukrainian or something).
Apparently, Crimean Tatar mother has emigrated to Shusha, Azerbaijan in the early to mid 20th century.

Gedrosia 15.57 Pct
Siberian 1.31 Pct
Northwest_African 0.02 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 15.58 Pct
North_European 26.62 Pct
South_Asian 0.75 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.78 Pct
East_Asian 1.93 Pct
Caucasus 30.44 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Az_tatar
8.64134249 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
9.84439434 Turk_Trakya
10.81631176 Turk_Deliorman
12.70199197 Turk_Makedonya
13.61390466 Bulgarian_Thrace
14.12182354 Moldovan_Gagauz
14.23649887 Pomak_Greece
14.73410669 Turk_Northwest
14.79478962 Bulgarian_East
15.20058552 Greek_Peloponnese
15.64875714 Greek_Thessaloniki
15.84642231 Greek_Thrace

Distance to: Az_tatar
1.63120324 55.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 44.20% Bosnian
1.66903434 57.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 42.60% Croat_South
1.71991674 52.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 47.20% Moldovan_Central
1.75661164 60.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 39.20% Slovenian
1.82816022 59.00% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 41.00% Croat
1.96627664 53.40% Talysh_Azerbaijan + 46.60% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
1.97539758 55.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 44.20% Moldovan_North
1.98305521 59.80% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 40.20% Hungarian
2.01263129 60.60% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 39.40% Hungarian_Alföld
2.01393775 59.60% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 40.40% Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
2.02950427 62.40% Azerbaijani_Republic + 37.60% Sorb_Lusatia
2.09843753 52.20% Moldovan_North + 47.80% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.09847203 63.60% Azerbaijani_Republic + 36.40% Polish
2.14454045 61.00% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 39.00% Hungarian_North
2.16165169 53.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 46.60% Serb
2.17466274 56.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 43.60% Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
2.18793174 59.80% Azerbaijani_Republic + 40.20% Slovak
2.23338340 63.60% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 36.40% Polish
2.23716130 62.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 37.60% Sorb_Lusatia
2.27174752 55.60% Dersim + 44.40% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.27735814 48.80% Croat + 51.20% Talysh_Azerbaijan
2.32830193 36.40% Lezgin + 63.60% Turk_Deliorman
2.34600781 38.60% Polish_Warmia-Masuria + 61.40% Udi_Azerbaijan
2.34676621 57.80% Azerbaijani_Republic + 42.20% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.37270393 64.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 35.60% Polish_Warmia-Masuria

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Originally Posted by Leto

I think what I just did should be good enough.

0.95860204 86.00% Kurdish_Jew + 14.00% Ossetian_South

Basically Babylonian/Persian Jew plus some Caucasian shift.

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Yes for me is good results for them.

Iranian Jew:

Gedrosian: 20.70
Siberian: 0.52
Northwest_African: 3.36
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.52
North_European: 1.65
South_Asian 1.47
East_African 0.81
Southwest_Asian: 20.87
East_Asian: 0.35
Caucasian: 41.73
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Iranian_Jew
2.69247098 Mandean
5.19354407 Kurdish_Jew
5.51283049 Iraqi_Jew
5.79462682 Iraqi_Baghdad
6.33858817 Azeri_Jew
6.84339097 Assyrian_South
7.11629819 Assyrian_North
7.64423312 Assyrian_West
7.83693818 Turkmen_Iraq
9.30291352 Arab_Iran
10.01986527 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.27072052 Lebanese_Muslim
10.49387440 Syrian_Muslim
10.74404486 Yazidi_Kurd
10.92707189 Iranian_Lur
10.96409139 Kurd_Sorani
11.02999093 Armenian_West
11.04309286 Iraqi_Arab
11.06788146 Dersim
11.15551433 Kurd_Feyli
11.49000000 Nusayri_Turkey
12.08516446 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.12429379 Lebanese_Christian
12.17125712 Turk_Southeast
12.17237446 Turk_East

Target: Iranian_Jew
Distance: 0.9736% / 0.97363445 | ADC: 0.25x RC
74.6 Mandean
19.1 Kurd_Feyli
4.0 Saudi
2.3 Algerian