Egypt should stay muslim, they should threat christians better though. Iran is free to become zoroastrian. Would be good to all muslims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
Anyway, i visit apricity mostly for taxonomy. Yesterday was an exception. This is my last post in this thread.
First of all let's be realistic and honest here. shia's muslims beeing more moderate is romantizing bullshit. Iran might not be as extreme as Saudi Arabia but it is not far away. Shia Iraqi Arabs are capably of as cruel acts as sunni Iraqis, no wonder after shia Iraqis taking over the power in Iraq the country is still a place full of shit. And I don't need to remind that Iran is hanging and stoning almost on daily basis. The one cut heads (Saudi Arabia) the other hang or stone you to death not much difference there. And Iran has assassinated oppositionals in Western countries since decades. Iran never started an offensive war on their own the last decades thats true, but the same is also the case with Saudi Arabia and Turkey because all three start proxy wars using other groups.
It's countries and their leadership simply with no sense for democracy and human rights.
Kurdistan is not turning into anything of that. We are neither horny about becoming North Korea, Soviet Union style communists nor do we want to turn into extreme capitalist country such as it is lived today in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
We will have our own political system with elements of both and some new elements.
He is right because PKK becomes strong in Kurdish politics. They have support of Syrian Kurds and control all lands, banned Barzani political parties in Jizira. Turkish Kurds also support PKK and in Iraq the Yezidis are with them also Talabani ideology close with them. Barzani is weak. Your Kurdistan will be North Korea of Middle East.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demhat
He isn't right because the PKK has changed long time ago it's politics from communist into sozial Switzerland like Canton system as we see in Syrian Kurdistan.
There are some leftist groups which are affiliated to PKK and are communist but they don't belong to the PKK ruling class. If PKK was hardcore communist they wouldn't accept Western help against ISIS. PKK is more leftist than PDK true but both parties have a similar political system at the end of the day.
In any case, you won't get stuck into Islamism like most of the goons around you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demhat
do you like kurds petros?Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
I prefer them from the Turks. They used to be more backward, but they have a greater potential - towards civilization - than the Turks nowadays...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
It's fine to me. So, if you so much love kurds, how about a 10 million of them? We can exile them to Greece.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
How about you get your pseudo Turkic/Balkan or whatever ass to where it came from and we stay where we are,my "neutral(lol) friend". :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
I bet not turkic but a balkan convert. He or she is not from Greece immigrants for sure. The only settlers I like from Greece (They are secular and modern).Quote:
Originally Posted by Demhat
Unfortunately - for you - you can't...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
Whatever he is now, he is not representative for his original people anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Instinct
The Iranian people cannot have the same standards with the UAE people because the Iranians are millions and the UAE folks are hundreds of thousands...Quote:
Originally Posted by Witness
The shits who spread radicalism are all Sunni, and we know it from all over the world. Even the lunatic who stormed the cafe in Australia was a Sunni convert formerly Shia Iranian....
You just couldn't kill all of the Alevis. You had too many even for Selim I to massacre...Quote:
Originally Posted by Witness
The Saudis are still massacring their Shias:Quote:
Originally Posted by Witness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7zgifyiqnA
Also in Bahrain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWm6N32re8g
This is your misfortune. Turkey never ceased to be not just Muslim, but Sunni Muslim, the worst possible shit within the Muslims...Quote:
Originally Posted by Witness
The same applies for religion everywhere, but you Sunni Muzzies are still the most stupid of the lot. You shall fall the hardest eventually...Quote:
Originally Posted by Witness
the uncomplete works are always be trouble. even same for here. you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
says a non-turkic balkan fag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
No worries, the work you failed will bring your end.
if petros say yes. but you don't deserve to live our land. you are a separatist traitor scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demhat
He loves the kurds as much as we love the albanians and macedonians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
Iran is not closed to the world like North Korea. Anybody can visit Iran. The fact that the Iranians use their own people for their industry instead of relying upon the West for every minor shit in their life only proves that they are smarter than you Sunnis...Quote:
Originally Posted by Witness
Saudi Arabia and Dubai have more money and less problems than the Iranians, because they are Americas' poodles...Quote:
Also see google, Jeddah in Saudi or Dubai in Qatar are very developed cities with modern infrastructure. And you compare with Tehran in Iran, Tehran is like Angola its slums.
Turkey is not more developed than Iran. Iran is close to having a domestic nuclear industry. The Turks are nowhere near Iran despite the constant arselicking to both the Arabs and the West...Quote:
And Iran has lots oil and lots gas, Saudis only oil. Turkey has no oil or gas but at least two times more developed than Iran.
They are smarter than you, not just now but always!!!Quote:
People in Iran especially young generations think this is because their religion and are all atheists.
Many immigrants from Afghanistan and elsewhere in Iran, same shit in Turkey...Quote:
You don't know Iran, street prostitution is very spread as poverty-stricken people.
Not with so many Syrians and Iraqis in Turkey right now!!!Quote:
There is also sex tourists who go to Tehran from Turkey as some women sell their body there.
Oh they do, but they suffer heavy sanctions...Quote:
Only reason is their biggot regime who use money for spread Shia radicalism and they don't use money for improve people life.
Egypt would still be Muslim if it reverted back to Shia! I never suggested anything else, but in hindsight, it would be better for them to return to their ancient cult of the Pharaohs: Osiris, Isis, Seth and so on...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice
Keep posting, you'll need a lot of lubricant while debating me!!!
http://williamsburgsoftball.com/wp-c...13/06/lube.jpg
Not quite. The Yankees and the Jews shall make sure Kurdistan fucks your brains out in the long term, and if they fail, the Russkis have some payback for your support in Chechnya to Jihadists...Quote:
Originally Posted by Witness
it's a little bit confusing comparison. :) some turks like them somes are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice
I say that in 50 years, you will be sucking Kurdish cock...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ölüezgi
We have no real troubles (war - rebellions) with either of them. They have troubles with each other though!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice
You have even worse troubles with the Kurds, and you have burnt ~4.000 Kurdish villages so far. Sooner or later, there shall be payback time...
bunch of Turks neg reped me on this thread, i see education, and keeping up with archeology and genetics is not on the level in turkey :)
I totally agree. Many Turkic people (in Central Asia, Siberia, the Volga region) have Scythian genes on the Y chromosome as well as autosomal. But of course this does not mean that the Scythians were Turkic-speaking.Quote:
Btw, i didnt say sycthians were turkic in origin, i dont think they were slav either. I'm just saying turks/turkics have absorbed sycithian blood.
ok guys, lets set an end to this endless R1a indo-european or Turkic bs. I just say haplogroup P and Native American R + Q. Google and be quite.
At least someone with sense so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by ordar
The only haplogroup spread from Japan and Korea to Turkey is the haplogroup C. The others are not spread all over the Altaic world, and have to be dismissed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Hċkan
We have to agree that R1a was picked up and took part in expansion of Turkic people, although probably at least double % of of it was slaughtered as a result.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis
But any Z93 to some point in history spoke an indo-iranian language, that's beyond doubt to me. There are no genuinely Turkic branches of it aside from some very downstream clades.
Only in the direction of the west, since no R1a exists in Japan or China. Before that, C was certainly the original haplogroup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
Indeed, R1a is Satem Indo-European...Quote:
But any Z93 to some point in history spoke an indo-iranian language, that's beyond doubt to me. There are no genuinely Turkic branches of it aside from some very downstream clades.
you wanna see my scyth tattoo?
that's true with the east turkic people in central asia, volga region, east ukraine etc having scythian genes. as i said bulgars, chuvash etc are descendants of scythians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demhat
avars may as well
edit
i don't read what a guy with a chechnya flag says anyway
Guys, the Scytho-Iranic theory is an european dogma solely based on linguistic pseudo-science. If you still believe this myth (itself 100% refuted by genetics, anhtropology, ethnography etc)... it's up to you, I can only welcome you the the 21st century. The Indo-European culture is not a rival with the Turkic culture, their origins and histories are much interspersed, the protestations appearing in the posting are aimed solely at distortions and misrepresentations endemic to the Eurocentric offshoot of the science, and a full credit must be given to Eurocentrism for the studies that unwittingly advanced Turkology.
Coming to haplogroup C:
1. hp C is not limited to Altaics.
2. hp R is not limited to IE's.
3. Language groups share multiple hp's!
4. Altaic is not even an accepted family, and it never will.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...5&d=1421146680
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...4&d=1421146680
5. The most ancient source of R1a1 haplotypes is provided by the people now living in northern China. It was shown (Bittles et al., 2007) that for a number of Chinese (Sino-Tibetan+Altaic) populations, such as Hui, Bonan, Dongxiang, Salars, a percentage of R1a1 haplotypes reached 18% - 32%.
6. The gene pool of the Turkic-speaking peoples of Siberia such as Altaians, Khakas, Shors and Soyots, living between the Altai and Lake Baikal along the Sayan mountains, are genetically closest to Amerindians. Sorry, but I can't detect any sign of IE except of this.
7. Turkic branch of hp P ! ... keep ignoring it...