Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

These samples that I previously had attributed to Suceava county are actually from Hunedoara county in Transylvania, following their confirmation. The rare surname outside of Suceava had me confused.

https://i.imgur.com/Z9tgm6F.png

The remaining unmixed samples from Suceava are:

https://i.imgur.com/LbprouP.png

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I have the Eurogenes K13 coordinates of a few more. I'm not sure if they're already in your database. I don't have their kit numbers right now (will take a while to search for them), but have their K13 results saved.

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Romanian_Suceava_A,25.1,30.93,16.34,10.95,11.35,0.08,1.2,1.01,1.3,0.74,0.64,0,0.36

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Romanian_Vaslui_A,23.46,28.78,17.1,9.49,15.08,2.33,0.19,0.1,2.35,0.58,0.56,0,0

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Romanian_Vaslui_B,26.56,26.95,15.36,8.59,16.04,3.01,0.55,0.08,2.86,0,0,0,0

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One or both of the Vaslui kits are from Nurzat (so you may already have them), don't remember exactly. I also posted a few more Romanian and Moldovan results in the original "South Slavic and Neighbors" thread, but they're going to take a while to find since its a huge thread. I will try to dig up them all up later this week.

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Originally Posted by Mingle

I have the Eurogenes K13 coordinates of a few more. I'm not sure if they're already in your database. I don't have their kit numbers right now (will take a while to search for them), but have their K13 results saved.

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Romanian_Suceava_A,25.1,30.93,16.34,10.95,11.35,0.08,1.2,1.01,1.3,0.74,0.64,0,0.36

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Code:

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Romanian_Vaslui_A,23.46,28.78,17.1,9.49,15.08,2.33,0.19,0.1,2.35,0.58,0.56,0,0

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Code:

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Romanian_Vaslui_B,26.56,26.95,15.36,8.59,16.04,3.01,0.55,0.08,2.86,0,0,0,0

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One or both of the Vaslui kits are from Nurzat (so you may already have them), don't remember exactly. I also posted a few more Romanian and Moldovan results in the original "South Slavic and Neighbors" thread, but they're going to take a while to find since its a huge thread. I will try to dig up them all up later this week.

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Thanks, I have them all. The first one are Nurzat's results btw, so half Ukrainian, half Vaslui.

Half Jewish/half Moldovan from Chisinau
Surname of a blondie politician from a certain political party in Moldova.

#	Population	Percent
1	East_Med	25.98
2	North_Atlantic	18.03
3	West_Med	17.63
4	Baltic	15.81
5	West_Asian	12.17
6	Red_Sea	5.79
7	South_Asian	1.72
8	Northeast_African	1.38
9	Oceanian	1.31
10	Siberian	0.17
11	Amerindian	0.01

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Greek_Thessaly	4.03
2	Central_Greek	7.57
3	East_Sicilian	8.05
4	Italian_Abruzzo	8.53
5	West_Sicilian	9.56
6	Ashkenazi	9.6
7	Bulgarian	10.39
8	South_Italian	11.64
9	Tuscan	11.68
10	Romanian	12.4
11	Sephardic_Jewish	16.18
12	Algerian_Jewish	16.32
13	Italian_Jewish	16.32
14	Serbian	16.35
15	North_Italian	16.41
16	Tunisian_Jewish	19.32
17	Libyan_Jewish	19.62
18	Cyprian	21.82
19	Moldavian	22.02
20	Turkish	22.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		83.1%	East_Sicilian	+	16.9%	Belorussian	@	2.11
2		81.8%	East_Sicilian	+	18.2%	Southwest_Russian	@	2.13
3		84.6%	East_Sicilian	+	15.4%	Lithuanian	@	2.16
4		82.7%	East_Sicilian	+	17.3%	Russian_Smolensk	@	2.19
5		82%	East_Sicilian	+	18%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	@	2.19
6		82.9%	East_Sicilian	+	17.1%	Estonian_Polish	@	2.2
7		65.8%	Bulgarian	+	34.2%	Libyan_Jewish	@	2.25
8		53.3%	Tunisian_Jewish	+	46.7%	Moldavian	@	2.27
9		57.8%	Sephardic_Jewish	+	42.2%	Moldavian	@	2.34
10		65.5%	Bulgarian	+	34.5%	Tunisian_Jewish	@	2.35
11		84.6%	East_Sicilian	+	15.4%	Estonian	@	2.37
12		84.7%	East_Sicilian	+	15.3%	East_Finnish	@	2.41
13		83.4%	East_Sicilian	+	16.6%	Kargopol_Russian	@	2.41
14		61.5%	Romanian	+	38.5%	Libyan_Jewish	@	2.46
15		84.5%	East_Sicilian	+	15.5%	Finnish	@	2.5
16		80.2%	East_Sicilian	+	19.8%	Ukrainian_Lviv	@	2.5
17		61.2%	Romanian	+	38.8%	Tunisian_Jewish	@	2.5
18		83.7%	East_Sicilian	+	16.3%	Erzya	@	2.51
19		82.3%	East_Sicilian	+	17.7%	Polish	@	2.52
20		81%	East_Sicilian	+	19%	Ukrainian	@	2.58

Target: 1/2Jewish_1/2Moldovan Distance: 2.6677% / 2.66769918 | ADC: 0.25x
50.4	Ashkenazi
45.0	Moldova_South
4.6	Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
0.0	Crimean_Tatar
0.0	Moldova_Centre
0.0	Moldova_North
0.0	Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0	Ukrainian
0.0	Ukrainian_Lviv
0.0	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
0.0	RU_Pinega
0.0	Russian_Smolensk

Target: 1/2Jewish_1/2Moldovan Distance: 2.4092% / 2.40915811 | ADC: 0.25x
47.8	Moldova_South
39.4	Ashkenazi
8.6	Sephardic_Jewish
4.2	Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
0.0	Crimean_Tatar
0.0	Moldova_Centre
0.0	Moldova_North
0.0	Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0	Ukrainian
0.0	Ukrainian_Lviv
0.0	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
0.0	RU_Pinega
0.0	Russian_Smolensk

Moldovan Bulgarian from Cantemir district

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 24.47
2 West_Med 19.61
3 East_Med 17.82
4 Baltic 17.09
5 West_Asian 13.66
6 Red_Sea 2.93
7 South_Asian 2.64
8 Amerindian 0.81
9 Siberian 0.69
10 Sub-Saharan 0.15
11 Oceanian 0.14


Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 7.52
2 Bulgarian 7.65
3 Greek_Thessaly 8.34
4 Tuscan 10.83
5 Serbian 11.03
6 North_Italian 11.47
7 Italian_Abruzzo 11.76
8 Central_Greek 13.74
9 West_Sicilian 13.75
10 East_Sicilian 14.98
11 Moldavian 16.9
12 South_Italian 17.43
13 Portuguese 17.72
14 Ashkenazi 18.13
15 Spanish_Extremadura 18.13
16 Hungarian 18.17
17 Spanish_Galicia 18.35
18 French 18.62
19 Spanish_Cataluna 19.27
20 Austrian 19.33


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.6% Central_Greek + 38.4% East_German @ 3.75
2 55.5% South_Italian + 44.5% East_German @ 3.87
3 59% Central_Greek + 41% Austrian @ 3.88
4 59.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 40.3% Moldavian @ 3.92
5 80.2% Greek_Thessaly + 19.8% Irish @ 3.98
6 63.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 36.4% Croatian @ 4.05
7 80.7% Greek_Thessaly + 19.3% West_Scottish @ 4.1
8 52.7% South_Italian + 47.3% Austrian @ 4.13
9 70.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 29.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.16
10 80.1% Greek_Thessaly + 19.9% Orcadian @ 4.18
11 79.9% Greek_Thessaly + 20.1% Southwest_English @ 4.2
12 74.6% Greek_Thessaly + 25.4% South_Dutch @ 4.21
13 73.3% Greek_Thessaly + 26.7% West_German @ 4.23
14 78.6% Greek_Thessaly + 21.4% North_German @ 4.23
15 80.1% Greek_Thessaly + 19.9% North_Dutch @ 4.3
16 65.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 34.1% East_German @ 4.31
17 80% Greek_Thessaly + 20% Danish @ 4.31
18 71.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 28.6% Ukrainian @ 4.33
19 81.2% Greek_Thessaly + 18.8% Norwegian @ 4.33
20 69.9% Central_Greek + 30.1% Swedish @ 4.34

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Moldovan Bulgarian from Cantemir district

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 24.47
2 West_Med 19.61
3 East_Med 17.82
4 Baltic 17.09
5 West_Asian 13.66
6 Red_Sea 2.93
7 South_Asian 2.64
8 Amerindian 0.81
9 Siberian 0.69
10 Sub-Saharan 0.15
11 Oceanian 0.14

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So low Baltic?

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

So low Baltic?

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Yes, but the results make sense if you consider the sum of N_Atlantic and Baltic. And in that case they also correspond to those of the other Moldovan Bulgarian that Leto donated.
https://i.imgur.com/vf5jGaR.png

In any case, the guy is from there. I reached out to him because he was matching some Moldovans from my database and he confirmed that.

On an unrelated note, I managed to get the Stefan Voda samples on GEDmatch and I can confirm three things:
1. They are from the same village, as on average the relation between them is 70cM, meaning 4th cousins or at great-great-grandparent level, which is something expected in a small village.
2. They are not Gagauz, as they don't match the 10 academic Gagauz and the others that I have.
3. They are Moldovan, even the most Southern one, as they match people that I already have. I've compared only the 4 most autosomally Southern ones for now, as it's a tedious manual process, but I'll analyse all of them eventually.
For example, the most Southern guy from Stefan Voda - MOL-15, and Moldovan from R. Moldova in general considering the samples that I have, is a match for: one of the Eurogenes samples that you gave me and I labelled Eurogenes_1 (CM2678489), person from Balti, Straseni, Ocnita and Ungheni. Surprisingly for me, they did not match the samples from Causeni, Cimislia or the 1/4 one from Taraclia. I didn't expect to match with Cahul samples since they are kind of far away, but I checked just in case since autosomally they score similarly. However, they are not related.

https://i.imgur.com/TqNYQIz.png

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Yes, but the results make sense if you consider the sum of N_Atlantic and Baltic. And in that case they also correspond to those of the other Moldovan Bulgarian that Leto donated.
https://i.imgur.com/vf5jGaR.png

In any case, the guy is from there. I reached out to him because he was matching some Moldovans from my database and he confirmed that.

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He is very southern judging by Oracle.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Yes, but the results make sense if you consider the sum of N_Atlantic and Baltic. And in that case they also correspond to those of the other Moldovan Bulgarian that Leto donated.
https://i.imgur.com/vf5jGaR.png

In any case, the guy is from there. I reached out to him because he was matching some Moldovans from my database and he confirmed that.

On an unrelated note, I managed to get the Stefan Voda samples on GEDmatch and I can confirm three things:
1. They are from the same village, as on average the relation between them is 70cM, meaning 4th cousins or at great-great-grandparent level, which is something expected in a small village.
2. They are not Gagauz, as they don't match the 10 academic Gagauz and the others that I have.
3. They are Moldovan, even the most Southern one, as they match people that I already have. I've compared only the 4 most autosomally Southern ones for now, as it's a tedious manual process, but I'll analyse all of them eventually.
For example, the most Southern guy from Stefan Voda - MOL-15, and Moldovan from R. Moldova in general considering the samples that I have, is a match for: one of the Eurogenes samples that you gave me and I labelled Eurogenes_1 (CM2678489), person from Balti, Straseni, Ocnita and Ungheni. Surprisingly for me, they did not match the samples from Causeni, Cimislia or the 1/4 one from Taraclia. I didn't expect to match with Cahul samples since they are kind of far away, but I checked just in case since autosomally they score similarly. However, they are not related.

https://i.imgur.com/TqNYQIz.png

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did you check these? is any of them even Moldovan?
CM2678489 Moldavian
ZW2326107 Moldavian_G2a1
CZ7344575 moldavian_V02612
JA8090639 moldavian_V13693
DN1116786 moldavian_V28645
JR6490623 moldavian_V44175
GG5842270 moldavian_V46055
QY8192067 moldavian_V48759
JR2297171 moldavian_V49937

also, there is another set of 12 academic Gagauz here:
https://evolbio.ut.ee/turkic/

Ukrainian from Floresti

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	43.59
2	North_Atlantic	29.08
3	West_Med	11.28
4	East_Med	8.26
5	West_Asian	4.32
6	South_Asian	1.73
7	Amerindian	0.99
8	Sub-Saharan	0.45
9	Oceanian	0.3

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Ukrainian	3.55
2	South_Polish	3.67
3	Ukrainian_Lviv	4.78
4	Polish	4.78
5	Southwest_Russian	6.21
6	Russian_Smolensk	6.69
7	Estonian_Polish	6.7
8	Belorussian	7.13
9	Ukrainian_Belgorod	7.15
10	Croatian	8.29
11	Kargopol_Russian	11.2
12	Estonian	11.22
13	Lithuanian	11.5
14	Hungarian	11.57
15	Moldavian	11.67
16	Southwest_Finnish	12.17
17	Finnish	12.8
18	East_German	12.99
19	Erzya	13.81
20	East_Finnish	14.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		75.7%	Lithuanian	+	24.3%	Tuscan	@	2.33
2		84%	Estonian_Polish	+	16%	North_Italian	@	2.53
3		74.4%	Lithuanian	+	25.6%	North_Italian	@	2.59
4		83.1%	Belorussian	+	16.9%	North_Italian	@	2.61
5		54.3%	Belorussian	+	45.7%	Croatian	@	2.64
6		85.1%	Estonian_Polish	+	14.9%	Tuscan	@	2.67
7		84.2%	Belorussian	+	15.8%	Tuscan	@	2.76
8		60.3%	Lithuanian	+	39.7%	Serbian	@	2.82
9		64.9%	Estonian_Polish	+	35.1%	Hungarian	@	2.83
10		73.7%	Estonian_Polish	+	26.3%	Serbian	@	2.85
11		56.2%	Estonian_Polish	+	43.8%	Croatian	@	2.87
12		77.8%	Lithuanian	+	22.2%	West_Sicilian	@	2.89
13		85.2%	Estonian_Polish	+	14.8%	Spanish_Valencia	@	2.91
14		72.3%	Belorussian	+	27.7%	Serbian	@	2.95
15		91.5%	Polish	+	8.5%	Ashkenazi	@	2.96
16		89.3%	Belorussian	+	10.7%	Sardinian	@	2.97
17		76.3%	Belorussian	+	23.7%	Romanian	@	2.98
18		85.8%	Belorussian	+	14.2%	West_Sicilian	@	3.03
19		77.7%	Estonian_Polish	+	22.3%	Romanian	@	3.04
20		59%	Croatian	+	41%	Lithuanian	@	3.05

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

did you check these? is any of them even Moldovan?
CM2678489 Moldavian
ZW2326107 Moldavian_G2a1
CZ7344575 moldavian_V02612
JA8090639 moldavian_V13693
DN1116786 moldavian_V28645
JR6490623 moldavian_V44175
GG5842270 moldavian_V46055
QY8192067 moldavian_V48759
JR2297171 moldavian_V49937

also, there is another set of 12 academic Gagauz here:
https://evolbio.ut.ee/turkic/

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Thanks, I'll get them, as that's a different set from the ones that I have.

Yes, my analysis is buried somewhere in this thread.

But TL;DR

These are unmixed:
CM2678489
ZW2326107
QY8192067
JR2297171
CZ7344575

This one scores in the Moldovan range but is recently mixed going by matches:
GG5842270

Full Russian and Ukrainian:
JA8090639
JR6490623


3/4 Ukrainian, 1/4 Roma:
DN1116786