Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

[Mingle]

These samples that I previously had attributed to Suceava county are actually from Hunedoara county in Transylvania, following their confirmation. The rare surname outside of Suceava had me confused.



The remaining unmixed samples from Suceava are:

I have the Eurogenes K13 coordinates of a few more. I'm not sure if they're already in your database. I don't have their kit numbers right now (will take a while to search for them), but have their K13 results saved.

Romanian_Suceava_A,25.1,30.93,16.34,10.95,11.35,0.08,1.2,1.01,1.3,0.74,0.64,0,0.36

Romanian_Vaslui_A,23.46,28.78,17.1,9.49,15.08,2.33,0.19,0.1,2.35,0.58,0.56,0,0

Romanian_Vaslui_B,26.56,26.95,15.36,8.59,16.04,3.01,0.55,0.08,2.86,0,0,0,0

One or both of the Vaslui kits are from Nurzat (so you may already have them), don't remember exactly. I also posted a few more Romanian and Moldovan results in the original "South Slavic and Neighbors" thread, but they're going to take a while to find since its a huge thread. I will try to dig up them all up later this week.

[Ion Basescul]

I have the Eurogenes K13 coordinates of a few more. I'm not sure if they're already in your database. I don't have their kit numbers right now (will take a while to search for them), but have their K13 results saved.

Romanian_Suceava_A,25.1,30.93,16.34,10.95,11.35,0.08,1.2,1.01,1.3,0.74,0.64,0,0.36

Romanian_Vaslui_A,23.46,28.78,17.1,9.49,15.08,2.33,0.19,0.1,2.35,0.58,0.56,0,0

Romanian_Vaslui_B,26.56,26.95,15.36,8.59,16.04,3.01,0.55,0.08,2.86,0,0,0,0

One or both of the Vaslui kits are from Nurzat (so you may already have them), don't remember exactly. I also posted a few more Romanian and Moldovan results in the original "South Slavic and Neighbors" thread, but they're going to take a while to find since its a huge thread. I will try to dig up them all up later this week.

Thanks, I have them all. The first one are Nurzat's results btw, so half Ukrainian, half Vaslui.

[Ion Basescul]

Half Jewish/half Moldovan from Chisinau
Surname of a blondie politician from a certain political party in Moldova.

#	Population	Percent
1	East_Med	25.98
2	North_Atlantic	18.03
3	West_Med	17.63
4	Baltic	15.81
5	West_Asian	12.17
6	Red_Sea	5.79
7	South_Asian	1.72
8	Northeast_African	1.38
9	Oceanian	1.31
10	Siberian	0.17
11	Amerindian	0.01

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Greek_Thessaly	4.03
2	Central_Greek	7.57
3	East_Sicilian	8.05
4	Italian_Abruzzo	8.53
5	West_Sicilian	9.56
6	Ashkenazi	9.6
7	Bulgarian	10.39
8	South_Italian	11.64
9	Tuscan	11.68
10	Romanian	12.4
11	Sephardic_Jewish	16.18
12	Algerian_Jewish	16.32
13	Italian_Jewish	16.32
14	Serbian	16.35
15	North_Italian	16.41
16	Tunisian_Jewish	19.32
17	Libyan_Jewish	19.62
18	Cyprian	21.82
19	Moldavian	22.02
20	Turkish	22.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		83.1%	East_Sicilian	+	16.9%	Belorussian	@	2.11
2		81.8%	East_Sicilian	+	18.2%	Southwest_Russian	@	2.13
3		84.6%	East_Sicilian	+	15.4%	Lithuanian	@	2.16
4		82.7%	East_Sicilian	+	17.3%	Russian_Smolensk	@	2.19
5		82%	East_Sicilian	+	18%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	@	2.19
6		82.9%	East_Sicilian	+	17.1%	Estonian_Polish	@	2.2
7		65.8%	Bulgarian	+	34.2%	Libyan_Jewish	@	2.25
8		53.3%	Tunisian_Jewish	+	46.7%	Moldavian	@	2.27
9		57.8%	Sephardic_Jewish	+	42.2%	Moldavian	@	2.34
10		65.5%	Bulgarian	+	34.5%	Tunisian_Jewish	@	2.35
11		84.6%	East_Sicilian	+	15.4%	Estonian	@	2.37
12		84.7%	East_Sicilian	+	15.3%	East_Finnish	@	2.41
13		83.4%	East_Sicilian	+	16.6%	Kargopol_Russian	@	2.41
14		61.5%	Romanian	+	38.5%	Libyan_Jewish	@	2.46
15		84.5%	East_Sicilian	+	15.5%	Finnish	@	2.5
16		80.2%	East_Sicilian	+	19.8%	Ukrainian_Lviv	@	2.5
17		61.2%	Romanian	+	38.8%	Tunisian_Jewish	@	2.5
18		83.7%	East_Sicilian	+	16.3%	Erzya	@	2.51
19		82.3%	East_Sicilian	+	17.7%	Polish	@	2.52
20		81%	East_Sicilian	+	19%	Ukrainian	@	2.58

Target: 1/2Jewish_1/2Moldovan Distance: 2.6677% / 2.66769918 | ADC: 0.25x
50.4	Ashkenazi
45.0	Moldova_South
4.6	Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
0.0	Crimean_Tatar
0.0	Moldova_Centre
0.0	Moldova_North
0.0	Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0	Ukrainian
0.0	Ukrainian_Lviv
0.0	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
0.0	RU_Pinega
0.0	Russian_Smolensk

Target: 1/2Jewish_1/2Moldovan Distance: 2.4092% / 2.40915811 | ADC: 0.25x
47.8	Moldova_South
39.4	Ashkenazi
8.6	Sephardic_Jewish
4.2	Roma_Unmixed_Moldova
0.0	Crimean_Tatar
0.0	Moldova_Centre
0.0	Moldova_North
0.0	Romania_Dobruja-Tatar
0.0	Ukrainian
0.0	Ukrainian_Lviv
0.0	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
0.0	RU_Pinega
0.0	Russian_Smolensk

[Ion Basescul]

Moldovan Bulgarian from Cantemir district

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 24.47
2 West_Med 19.61
3 East_Med 17.82
4 Baltic 17.09
5 West_Asian 13.66
6 Red_Sea 2.93
7 South_Asian 2.64
8 Amerindian 0.81
9 Siberian 0.69
10 Sub-Saharan 0.15
11 Oceanian 0.14


Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 7.52
2 Bulgarian 7.65
3 Greek_Thessaly 8.34
4 Tuscan 10.83
5 Serbian 11.03
6 North_Italian 11.47
7 Italian_Abruzzo 11.76
8 Central_Greek 13.74
9 West_Sicilian 13.75
10 East_Sicilian 14.98
11 Moldavian 16.9
12 South_Italian 17.43
13 Portuguese 17.72
14 Ashkenazi 18.13
15 Spanish_Extremadura 18.13
16 Hungarian 18.17
17 Spanish_Galicia 18.35
18 French 18.62
19 Spanish_Cataluna 19.27
20 Austrian 19.33


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.6% Central_Greek + 38.4% East_German @ 3.75
2 55.5% South_Italian + 44.5% East_German @ 3.87
3 59% Central_Greek + 41% Austrian @ 3.88
4 59.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 40.3% Moldavian @ 3.92
5 80.2% Greek_Thessaly + 19.8% Irish @ 3.98
6 63.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 36.4% Croatian @ 4.05
7 80.7% Greek_Thessaly + 19.3% West_Scottish @ 4.1
8 52.7% South_Italian + 47.3% Austrian @ 4.13
9 70.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 29.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.16
10 80.1% Greek_Thessaly + 19.9% Orcadian @ 4.18
11 79.9% Greek_Thessaly + 20.1% Southwest_English @ 4.2
12 74.6% Greek_Thessaly + 25.4% South_Dutch @ 4.21
13 73.3% Greek_Thessaly + 26.7% West_German @ 4.23
14 78.6% Greek_Thessaly + 21.4% North_German @ 4.23
15 80.1% Greek_Thessaly + 19.9% North_Dutch @ 4.3
16 65.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 34.1% East_German @ 4.31
17 80% Greek_Thessaly + 20% Danish @ 4.31
18 71.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 28.6% Ukrainian @ 4.33
19 81.2% Greek_Thessaly + 18.8% Norwegian @ 4.33
20 69.9% Central_Greek + 30.1% Swedish @ 4.34

[Aspirin]

Moldovan Bulgarian from Cantemir district

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 24.47
2 West_Med 19.61
3 East_Med 17.82
4 Baltic 17.09
5 West_Asian 13.66
6 Red_Sea 2.93
7 South_Asian 2.64
8 Amerindian 0.81
9 Siberian 0.69
10 Sub-Saharan 0.15
11 Oceanian 0.14

So low Baltic?

[Ion Basescul]

So low Baltic?

Yes, but the results make sense if you consider the sum of N_Atlantic and Baltic. And in that case they also correspond to those of the other Moldovan Bulgarian that Leto donated.


In any case, the guy is from there. I reached out to him because he was matching some Moldovans from my database and he confirmed that.

On an unrelated note, I managed to get the Stefan Voda samples on GEDmatch and I can confirm three things:
1. They are from the same village, as on average the relation between them is 70cM, meaning 4th cousins or at great-great-grandparent level, which is something expected in a small village.
2. They are not Gagauz, as they don't match the 10 academic Gagauz and the others that I have.
3. They are Moldovan, even the most Southern one, as they match people that I already have. I've compared only the 4 most autosomally Southern ones for now, as it's a tedious manual process, but I'll analyse all of them eventually.
For example, the most Southern guy from Stefan Voda - MOL-15, and Moldovan from R. Moldova in general considering the samples that I have, is a match for: one of the Eurogenes samples that you gave me and I labelled Eurogenes_1 (CM2678489), person from Balti, Straseni, Ocnita and Ungheni. Surprisingly for me, they did not match the samples from Causeni, Cimislia or the 1/4 one from Taraclia. I didn't expect to match with Cahul samples since they are kind of far away, but I checked just in case since autosomally they score similarly. However, they are not related.

[Aspirin]

Yes, but the results make sense if you consider the sum of N_Atlantic and Baltic. And in that case they also correspond to those of the other Moldovan Bulgarian that Leto donated.


In any case, the guy is from there. I reached out to him because he was matching some Moldovans from my database and he confirmed that.

He is very southern judging by Oracle.

[vbnetkhio]

Yes, but the results make sense if you consider the sum of N_Atlantic and Baltic. And in that case they also correspond to those of the other Moldovan Bulgarian that Leto donated.


In any case, the guy is from there. I reached out to him because he was matching some Moldovans from my database and he confirmed that.

On an unrelated note, I managed to get the Stefan Voda samples on GEDmatch and I can confirm three things:
1. They are from the same village, as on average the relation between them is 70cM, meaning 4th cousins or at great-great-grandparent level, which is something expected in a small village.
2. They are not Gagauz, as they don't match the 10 academic Gagauz and the others that I have.
3. They are Moldovan, even the most Southern one, as they match people that I already have. I've compared only the 4 most autosomally Southern ones for now, as it's a tedious manual process, but I'll analyse all of them eventually.
For example, the most Southern guy from Stefan Voda - MOL-15, and Moldovan from R. Moldova in general considering the samples that I have, is a match for: one of the Eurogenes samples that you gave me and I labelled Eurogenes_1 (CM2678489), person from Balti, Straseni, Ocnita and Ungheni. Surprisingly for me, they did not match the samples from Causeni, Cimislia or the 1/4 one from Taraclia. I didn't expect to match with Cahul samples since they are kind of far away, but I checked just in case since autosomally they score similarly. However, they are not related.

did you check these? is any of them even Moldovan?
CM2678489 Moldavian
ZW2326107 Moldavian_G2a1
CZ7344575 moldavian_V02612
JA8090639 moldavian_V13693
DN1116786 moldavian_V28645
JR6490623 moldavian_V44175
GG5842270 moldavian_V46055
QY8192067 moldavian_V48759
JR2297171 moldavian_V49937

also, there is another set of 12 academic Gagauz here:
https://evolbio.ut.ee/turkic/

[Ion Basescul]

Ukrainian from Floresti

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	43.59
2	North_Atlantic	29.08
3	West_Med	11.28
4	East_Med	8.26
5	West_Asian	4.32
6	South_Asian	1.73
7	Amerindian	0.99
8	Sub-Saharan	0.45
9	Oceanian	0.3

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Ukrainian	3.55
2	South_Polish	3.67
3	Ukrainian_Lviv	4.78
4	Polish	4.78
5	Southwest_Russian	6.21
6	Russian_Smolensk	6.69
7	Estonian_Polish	6.7
8	Belorussian	7.13
9	Ukrainian_Belgorod	7.15
10	Croatian	8.29
11	Kargopol_Russian	11.2
12	Estonian	11.22
13	Lithuanian	11.5
14	Hungarian	11.57
15	Moldavian	11.67
16	Southwest_Finnish	12.17
17	Finnish	12.8
18	East_German	12.99
19	Erzya	13.81
20	East_Finnish	14.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		75.7%	Lithuanian	+	24.3%	Tuscan	@	2.33
2		84%	Estonian_Polish	+	16%	North_Italian	@	2.53
3		74.4%	Lithuanian	+	25.6%	North_Italian	@	2.59
4		83.1%	Belorussian	+	16.9%	North_Italian	@	2.61
5		54.3%	Belorussian	+	45.7%	Croatian	@	2.64
6		85.1%	Estonian_Polish	+	14.9%	Tuscan	@	2.67
7		84.2%	Belorussian	+	15.8%	Tuscan	@	2.76
8		60.3%	Lithuanian	+	39.7%	Serbian	@	2.82
9		64.9%	Estonian_Polish	+	35.1%	Hungarian	@	2.83
10		73.7%	Estonian_Polish	+	26.3%	Serbian	@	2.85
11		56.2%	Estonian_Polish	+	43.8%	Croatian	@	2.87
12		77.8%	Lithuanian	+	22.2%	West_Sicilian	@	2.89
13		85.2%	Estonian_Polish	+	14.8%	Spanish_Valencia	@	2.91
14		72.3%	Belorussian	+	27.7%	Serbian	@	2.95
15		91.5%	Polish	+	8.5%	Ashkenazi	@	2.96
16		89.3%	Belorussian	+	10.7%	Sardinian	@	2.97
17		76.3%	Belorussian	+	23.7%	Romanian	@	2.98
18		85.8%	Belorussian	+	14.2%	West_Sicilian	@	3.03
19		77.7%	Estonian_Polish	+	22.3%	Romanian	@	3.04
20		59%	Croatian	+	41%	Lithuanian	@	3.05

[Ion Basescul]

did you check these? is any of them even Moldovan?
CM2678489 Moldavian
ZW2326107 Moldavian_G2a1
CZ7344575 moldavian_V02612
JA8090639 moldavian_V13693
DN1116786 moldavian_V28645
JR6490623 moldavian_V44175
GG5842270 moldavian_V46055
QY8192067 moldavian_V48759
JR2297171 moldavian_V49937

also, there is another set of 12 academic Gagauz here:
https://evolbio.ut.ee/turkic/

Thanks, I'll get them, as that's a different set from the ones that I have.

Yes, my analysis is buried somewhere in this thread.

But TL;DR

These are unmixed:
CM2678489
ZW2326107
QY8192067
JR2297171
CZ7344575

This one scores in the Moldovan range but is recently mixed going by matches:
GG5842270

Full Russian and Ukrainian:
JA8090639
JR6490623


3/4 Ukrainian, 1/4 Roma:
DN1116786