R1a-M458 is not Turkic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
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R1a-M458 is not Turkic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Another relative
Surname Prohić
# Population Percent 1 Baltic 32.01 2 North_Atlantic 25.02 3 West_Med 15.62 4 East_Med 14.89 5 West_Asian 9.8 6 Siberian 1.48 7 Red_Sea 0.49 8 Oceanian 0.39 9 Sub-Saharan 0.31
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 Moldavian 4.52 2 Serbian 5.07 3 Croatian 6.78 4 Romanian 7.68 5 Hungarian 8.37 6 Bulgarian 9.43 7 Austrian 12.54 8 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.94 9 East_German 13.47 10 South_Polish 13.54 11 Ukrainian 13.98 12 Southwest_Russian 17.01 13 Polish 17.18 14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.31 15 Greek_Thessaly 18.35 16 West_German 18.93 17 Russian_Smolensk 19.05 18 Estonian_Polish 19.52 19 Belorussian 20.08 20 South_Dutch 20.43
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 59.2% Bulgarian + 40.8% South_Polish @ 1.64 2 72.1% Bulgarian + 27.9% Estonian @ 1.73 3 60% Bulgarian + 40% Ukrainian @ 1.75 4 64.9% Bulgarian + 35.1% Polish @ 2 5 69.5% Romanian + 30.5% Southwest_Russian @ 2.02 6 68.5% Bulgarian + 31.5% Belorussian @ 2.08 7 65.2% Romanian + 34.8% Ukrainian @ 2.09 8 67.9% Bulgarian + 32.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.13 9 76.9% Romanian + 23.1% Lithuanian @ 2.14 10 72.7% Bulgarian + 27.3% Lithuanian @ 2.16 11 72.5% Romanian + 27.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.17 12 67.4% Bulgarian + 32.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.19 13 58.2% Bulgarian + 41.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.22 14 73.1% Romanian + 26.9% Belorussian @ 2.27 15 70% Romanian + 30% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.28 16 58.9% Croatian + 41.1% Bulgarian @ 2.28 17 68.2% Ukrainian + 31.8% South_Italian @ 2.28 18 64.6% Ukrainian + 35.4% Central_Greek @ 2.29 19 72.1% Romanian + 27.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.31 20 64.9% Bulgarian + 35.1% Southwest_Russian @ 2.36
Nobody's talking about M458 specifically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Cumans spoke a Kipchak language, same as modern Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Tatar and Bashkir people.
R1a peaks at 63% in Kyrgyz, followed by Kazakhs with 28% and Bashkirs with 27%. Tatars have between 14% to 50%, depending on the country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_...and_North_Asia
One of his fresh posts (his nick Pravi Vlah means Real Vlach) https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/...#post-39851071Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Translation:
You don't understand there is no Slavic genetic. Such thing doesn't exist! Only exist genetic mixes who are among Slavs. There is two reasons for that. First, genetic is much older that modern populations. Second, modern populations are heterogeneous. Every modern Slav has multiple origins of tens genetic sources. What more genetic of some Slav is different than genetic of other Slav even if they are from same place.
You suffer of nationalism here which is possible only with wrong by wrong understanding genetics. There is no one genetic mix which represent Serbs. Every Serb is different from any other Serb. It's obvuous when you open eyes and look upside down.
Otherwise, I am Cumam with slanted eyes. :)
Tittle of thread "Vlasi --- Balkanski fenomen" means "Vlachs Balkan phenomenon" https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/...enomen.764445/
Gedmatch relative from Bulgaria
Surname Koychev
# Population Percent 1 North_Atlantic 21.72 2 East_Med 19.97 3 Baltic 19.55 4 West_Med 19.51 5 West_Asian 12.56 6 Red_Sea 3.72 7 Siberian 1.43 8 Amerindian 1.07 9 Oceanian 0.46
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 Bulgarian 4.78 2 Romanian 6.04 3 Greek_Thessaly 6.27 4 Serbian 10.25 5 Tuscan 11.75 6 Italian_Abruzzo 11.97 7 Central_Greek 12.66 8 North_Italian 13.43 9 West_Sicilian 13.61 10 East_Sicilian 13.97 11 Moldavian 15.95 12 Ashkenazi 16.42 13 South_Italian 16.88 14 Hungarian 18.29 15 Croatian 19 16 Portuguese 20.02 17 Austrian 20.33 18 Spanish_Extremadura 20.61 19 Spanish_Galicia 20.75 20 French 21.11
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 51.4% Moldavian + 48.6% South_Italian @ 2.05 2 68.9% Romanian + 31.1% Central_Greek @ 2.19 3 60.2% South_Italian + 39.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.25 4 74.9% Romanian + 25.1% South_Italian @ 2.26 5 53% South_Italian + 47% Croatian @ 2.27 6 57.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 42.7% Moldavian @ 2.29 7 71.2% Romanian + 28.8% East_Sicilian @ 2.32 8 60.3% Central_Greek + 39.7% Croatian @ 2.36 9 55.9% Central_Greek + 44.1% Moldavian @ 2.41 10 51.1% Romanian + 48.9% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.51 11 55.5% Serbian + 44.5% Central_Greek @ 2.52 12 61.5% South_Italian + 38.5% Ukrainian @ 2.61 13 67.1% Central_Greek + 32.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.62 14 74.5% Bulgarian + 25.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.62 15 73.2% Central_Greek + 26.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.67 16 68.3% Romanian + 31.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.69 17 64.1% South_Italian + 35.9% Polish @ 2.69 18 59.4% Central_Greek + 40.6% Hungarian @ 2.71 19 67.9% Central_Greek + 32.1% South_Polish @ 2.72 20 71.2% Romanian + 28.8% West_Sicilian @ 2.74
some of these individuals are insanely Slavic genetically, I'm guessing a few aren't even distant to western Ukrainians. Still amazes me some people try and act like Slavic influence in the balkans was negligible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
@Ion, interesting samples, but we can't know their ethnicity and full ancestry just going by surname.
Momić should be Serbian surname, Prohić should be either Croat or Bosniak, but who knows, it is just one line.
Some basal M458 clades are found among Turkic Balkars in the Caucasus though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
From "Serbian dna project."
Momić (Mitrovdan, Brnjeuška/Glina) - R1b>R-BY16680
Another relative
Jozić
# Population Percent 1 Baltic 29.48 2 North_Atlantic 25.51 3 East_Med 15.53 4 West_Med 14.67 5 West_Asian 11.81 6 Red_Sea 1.13 7 Oceanian 0.67 8 Amerindian 0.58 9 South_Asian 0.33 10 East_Asian 0.3
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance 1 Serbian 3.74 2 Romanian 5.67 3 Moldavian 6.23 4 Bulgarian 7.66 5 Croatian 8.69 6 Hungarian 8.89 7 Austrian 12.59 8 East_German 14.03 9 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.98 10 South_Polish 15.49 11 Ukrainian 16.24 12 Greek_Thessaly 16.55 13 West_German 18.09 14 Polish 19.14 15 Southwest_Russian 19.16 16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.2 17 South_Dutch 19.78 18 North_Italian 20.09 19 French 20.22 20 Tuscan 21.05
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 78% Romanian + 22% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.8 2 67.6% Bulgarian + 32.4% South_Polish @ 2.08 3 78.4% Romanian + 21.6% Southwest_Russian @ 2.12 4 60.2% South_Polish + 39.8% Central_Greek @ 2.13 5 80% Romanian + 20% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.14 6 83.5% Romanian + 16.5% Lithuanian @ 2.16 7 74.6% Romanian + 25.4% South_Polish @ 2.23 8 53.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.27 9 81% Romanian + 19% Belorussian @ 2.28 10 78.5% Romanian + 21.5% Polish @ 2.28 11 75.7% Romanian + 24.3% Ukrainian @ 2.37 12 72.3% Bulgarian + 27.7% Polish @ 2.37 13 80.8% Romanian + 19.2% Estonian_Polish @ 2.39 14 74.2% Romanian + 25.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.39 15 62% Romanian + 38% Croatian @ 2.48 16 64.3% South_Polish + 35.7% South_Italian @ 2.5 17 58% Ukrainian + 42% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.5 18 83.7% Romanian + 16.3% Estonian @ 2.52 19 54.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 45.5% Lithuanian @ 2.53 20 78.3% Bulgarian + 21.7% Estonian @ 2.55