South Slavic & neighbours gedmatch results - vol.2

[Aspirin]

R1a is not that uncommon among Turkics.

R1a-M458 is not Turkic.

[Ion Basescul]

Another relative
Surname Prohić

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	32.01
2	North_Atlantic	25.02
3	West_Med	15.62
4	East_Med	14.89
5	West_Asian	9.8
6	Siberian	1.48
7	Red_Sea	0.49
8	Oceanian	0.39
9	Sub-Saharan	0.31

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Moldavian	4.52
2	Serbian	5.07
3	Croatian	6.78
4	Romanian	7.68
5	Hungarian	8.37
6	Bulgarian	9.43
7	Austrian	12.54
8	Ukrainian_Lviv	12.94
9	East_German	13.47
10	South_Polish	13.54
11	Ukrainian	13.98
12	Southwest_Russian	17.01
13	Polish	17.18
14	Ukrainian_Belgorod	17.31
15	Greek_Thessaly	18.35
16	West_German	18.93
17	Russian_Smolensk	19.05
18	Estonian_Polish	19.52
19	Belorussian	20.08
20	South_Dutch	20.43

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		59.2%	Bulgarian	+	40.8%	South_Polish	@	1.64
2		72.1%	Bulgarian	+	27.9%	Estonian	@	1.73
3		60%	Bulgarian	+	40%	Ukrainian	@	1.75
4		64.9%	Bulgarian	+	35.1%	Polish	@	2
5		69.5%	Romanian	+	30.5%	Southwest_Russian	@	2.02
6		68.5%	Bulgarian	+	31.5%	Belorussian	@	2.08
7		65.2%	Romanian	+	34.8%	Ukrainian	@	2.09
8		67.9%	Bulgarian	+	32.1%	Estonian_Polish	@	2.13
9		76.9%	Romanian	+	23.1%	Lithuanian	@	2.14
10		72.7%	Bulgarian	+	27.3%	Lithuanian	@	2.16
11		72.5%	Romanian	+	27.5%	Estonian_Polish	@	2.17
12		67.4%	Bulgarian	+	32.6%	Russian_Smolensk	@	2.19
13		58.2%	Bulgarian	+	41.8%	Ukrainian_Lviv	@	2.22
14		73.1%	Romanian	+	26.9%	Belorussian	@	2.27
15		70%	Romanian	+	30%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	@	2.28
16		58.9%	Croatian	+	41.1%	Bulgarian	@	2.28
17		68.2%	Ukrainian	+	31.8%	South_Italian	@	2.28
18		64.6%	Ukrainian	+	35.4%	Central_Greek	@	2.29
19		72.1%	Romanian	+	27.9%	Russian_Smolensk	@	2.31
20		64.9%	Bulgarian	+	35.1%	Southwest_Russian	@	2.36

[Ion Basescul]

R1a-M458 is not Turkic.

Nobody's talking about M458 specifically.
Cumans spoke a Kipchak language, same as modern Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Tatar and Bashkir people.

R1a peaks at 63% in Kyrgyz, followed by Kazakhs with 28% and Bashkirs with 27%. Tatars have between 14% to 50%, depending on the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_...and_North_Asia

[Pribislav]

R1a is not that uncommon among Turkics.

One of his fresh posts (his nick Pravi Vlah means Real Vlach) https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/...#post-39851071

Translation:

You don't understand there is no Slavic genetic. Such thing doesn't exist! Only exist genetic mixes who are among Slavs. There is two reasons for that. First, genetic is much older that modern populations. Second, modern populations are heterogeneous. Every modern Slav has multiple origins of tens genetic sources. What more genetic of some Slav is different than genetic of other Slav even if they are from same place.

You suffer of nationalism here which is possible only with wrong by wrong understanding genetics. There is no one genetic mix which represent Serbs. Every Serb is different from any other Serb. It's obvuous when you open eyes and look upside down.

Otherwise, I am Cumam with slanted eyes.


Tittle of thread "Vlasi --- Balkanski fenomen" means "Vlachs Balkan phenomenon" https://forum.krstarica.com/threads/...enomen.764445/

[Ion Basescul]

Gedmatch relative from Bulgaria
Surname Koychev

#	Population	Percent
1	North_Atlantic	21.72
2	East_Med	19.97
3	Baltic	19.55
4	West_Med	19.51
5	West_Asian	12.56
6	Red_Sea	3.72
7	Siberian	1.43
8	Amerindian	1.07
9	Oceanian	0.46

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Bulgarian	4.78
2	Romanian	6.04
3	Greek_Thessaly	6.27
4	Serbian	10.25
5	Tuscan	11.75
6	Italian_Abruzzo	11.97
7	Central_Greek	12.66
8	North_Italian	13.43
9	West_Sicilian	13.61
10	East_Sicilian	13.97
11	Moldavian	15.95
12	Ashkenazi	16.42
13	South_Italian	16.88
14	Hungarian	18.29
15	Croatian	19
16	Portuguese	20.02
17	Austrian	20.33
18	Spanish_Extremadura	20.61
19	Spanish_Galicia	20.75
20	French	21.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		51.4%	Moldavian	+	48.6%	South_Italian	@	2.05
2		68.9%	Romanian	+	31.1%	Central_Greek	@	2.19
3		60.2%	South_Italian	+	39.8%	Ukrainian_Lviv	@	2.25
4		74.9%	Romanian	+	25.1%	South_Italian	@	2.26
5		53%	South_Italian	+	47%	Croatian	@	2.27
6		57.3%	Italian_Abruzzo	+	42.7%	Moldavian	@	2.29
7		71.2%	Romanian	+	28.8%	East_Sicilian	@	2.32
8		60.3%	Central_Greek	+	39.7%	Croatian	@	2.36
9		55.9%	Central_Greek	+	44.1%	Moldavian	@	2.41
10		51.1%	Romanian	+	48.9%	Greek_Thessaly	@	2.51
11		55.5%	Serbian	+	44.5%	Central_Greek	@	2.52
12		61.5%	South_Italian	+	38.5%	Ukrainian	@	2.61
13		67.1%	Central_Greek	+	32.9%	Ukrainian_Lviv	@	2.62
14		74.5%	Bulgarian	+	25.5%	Italian_Abruzzo	@	2.62
15		73.2%	Central_Greek	+	26.8%	Southwest_Finnish	@	2.67
16		68.3%	Romanian	+	31.7%	Italian_Abruzzo	@	2.69
17		64.1%	South_Italian	+	35.9%	Polish	@	2.69
18		59.4%	Central_Greek	+	40.6%	Hungarian	@	2.71
19		67.9%	Central_Greek	+	32.1%	South_Polish	@	2.72
20		71.2%	Romanian	+	28.8%	West_Sicilian	@	2.74

[Karol Klačansky]

Croats from Herzegovina, all from several villages around Mostar. I just spoke with their account menager, she was very kind and helpful

1)

North_Atlantic 25.57 Pct
Baltic 31.57 Pct
West_Med 17.27 Pct
West_Asian 9.17 Pct
East_Med 13.67 Pct
Red_Sea 0.17 Pct
South_Asian 1.08 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.19 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.48 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.78 Pct

2)

North_Atlantic 31.24 Pct
Baltic 28.80 Pct
West_Med 18.70 Pct
West_Asian 7.53 Pct
East_Med 11.65 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.26 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.83 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

3)

North_Atlantic 22.19 Pct
Baltic 35.64 Pct
West_Med 16.03 Pct
West_Asian 7.99 Pct
East_Med 14.58 Pct
Red_Sea 0.63 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.92 Pct
Siberian 0.38 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.85 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.79 Pct

4)

North_Atlantic 27.03 Pct
Baltic 31.26 Pct
West_Med 15.41 Pct
West_Asian 10.04 Pct
East_Med 14.23 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.05 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.99 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

5)

North_Atlantic 28.89 Pct
Baltic 30.02 Pct
West_Med 13.90 Pct
West_Asian 7.71 Pct
East_Med 16.42 Pct
Red_Sea 1.67 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.29 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.08 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

6)

North_Atlantic 27.16 Pct
Baltic 29.16 Pct
West_Med 19.85 Pct
West_Asian 10.50 Pct
East_Med 10.48 Pct
Red_Sea 1.32 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.42 Pct
Oceanian 0.73 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.38 Pct

7)

North_Atlantic 19.76 Pct
Baltic 35.05 Pct
West_Med 19.78 Pct
West_Asian 8.15 Pct
East_Med 14.69 Pct
Red_Sea 0.71 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.60 Pct
Amerindian 1.02 Pct
Oceanian 0.24 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

8)

North_Atlantic 23.66 Pct
Baltic 33.18 Pct
West_Med 14.10 Pct
West_Asian 8.62 Pct
East_Med 16.69 Pct
Red_Sea 0.96 Pct
South_Asian 0.23 Pct
East_Asian 1.10 Pct
Siberian 0.15 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.01 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.30 Pct

9)

North_Atlantic 25.28 Pct
Baltic 29.52 Pct
West_Med 14.96 Pct
West_Asian 11.40 Pct
East_Med 14.14 Pct
Red_Sea 2.02 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.49 Pct
Siberian 1.15 Pct
Amerindian 0.45 Pct
Oceanian 0.59 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

some of these individuals are insanely Slavic genetically, I'm guessing a few aren't even distant to western Ukrainians. Still amazes me some people try and act like Slavic influence in the balkans was negligible.

[Jana]

@Ion, interesting samples, but we can't know their ethnicity and full ancestry just going by surname.
Momić should be Serbian surname, Prohić should be either Croat or Bosniak, but who knows, it is just one line.

[Jana]

R1a-M458 is not Turkic.

Some basal M458 clades are found among Turkic Balkars in the Caucasus though.

[Pribislav]

@Ion, interesting samples, but we can't know their ethnicity and full ancestry just going by surname.
Momić should be Serbian surname, Prohić should be either Croat or Bosniak, but who knows, it is just one line.

Yes.


From "Serbian dna project."

Momić (Mitrovdan, Brnjeuška/Glina) - R1b>R-BY16680

[Ion Basescul]

Another relative


Jozić

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	29.48
2	North_Atlantic	25.51
3	East_Med	15.53
4	West_Med	14.67
5	West_Asian	11.81
6	Red_Sea	1.13
7	Oceanian	0.67
8	Amerindian	0.58
9	South_Asian	0.33
10	East_Asian	0.3

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Serbian	3.74
2	Romanian	5.67
3	Moldavian	6.23
4	Bulgarian	7.66
5	Croatian	8.69
6	Hungarian	8.89
7	Austrian	12.59
8	East_German	14.03
9	Ukrainian_Lviv	14.98
10	South_Polish	15.49
11	Ukrainian	16.24
12	Greek_Thessaly	16.55
13	West_German	18.09
14	Polish	19.14
15	Southwest_Russian	19.16
16	Ukrainian_Belgorod	19.2
17	South_Dutch	19.78
18	North_Italian	20.09
19	French	20.22
20	Tuscan	21.05

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		78%	Romanian	+	22%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	@	1.8
2		67.6%	Bulgarian	+	32.4%	South_Polish	@	2.08
3		78.4%	Romanian	+	21.6%	Southwest_Russian	@	2.12
4		60.2%	South_Polish	+	39.8%	Central_Greek	@	2.13
5		80%	Romanian	+	20%	Russian_Smolensk	@	2.14
6		83.5%	Romanian	+	16.5%	Lithuanian	@	2.16
7		74.6%	Romanian	+	25.4%	South_Polish	@	2.23
8		53.8%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	+	46.2%	Italian_Abruzzo	@	2.27
9		81%	Romanian	+	19%	Belorussian	@	2.28
10		78.5%	Romanian	+	21.5%	Polish	@	2.28
11		75.7%	Romanian	+	24.3%	Ukrainian	@	2.37
12		72.3%	Bulgarian	+	27.7%	Polish	@	2.37
13		80.8%	Romanian	+	19.2%	Estonian_Polish	@	2.39
14		74.2%	Romanian	+	25.8%	Ukrainian_Lviv	@	2.39
15		62%	Romanian	+	38%	Croatian	@	2.48
16		64.3%	South_Polish	+	35.7%	South_Italian	@	2.5
17		58%	Ukrainian	+	42%	Italian_Abruzzo	@	2.5
18		83.7%	Romanian	+	16.3%	Estonian	@	2.52
19		54.5%	Italian_Abruzzo	+	45.5%	Lithuanian	@	2.53
20		78.3%	Bulgarian	+	21.7%	Estonian	@	2.55