Serbian autosomal DNA #2

Bosnian Serb result.

https://i.ibb.co/7N4ZDsy/20200426-001840-2.jpg

this person's ancestors moved from Montenegro (Tepca, possibly some other places too) to Sijarina, Southern Serbia, at the end of the 19th century. Then after WW2, most of the families from that village migrated to Srpski Miletic, in the northernmost part of Serbia.

Troughout all these migrations it was only families from Montenegro migrating together and intermarrying with each other, so she's actually still of fully Montnegrin ancestry.

Population
North_Atlantic 30.64 Pct
Baltic 22.99 Pct
West_Med 18.8 Pct
West_Asian 9.82 Pct
East_Med 15.37 Pct
Red_Sea 0.26 Pct
South_Asian 0.05 Pct
East_Asian 1.83 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.24 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

A family from Banat, mostly Serbian, with some Romanian and Swabian ancestry.

North_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	Northeast_African	Sub0Saharan
27.4	28.58	16.44	9.63	12.38	2.19	0.43	0.84	0.19	1.9	0	0	0
23.91	28.11	18.87	8.83	14.51	1.71	0.29	0.61	0	2.7	0	0.47	0
31.15	27.3	17.53	7.9	12.45	0.56	0.71	0.95	0	1.39	0.07	0	0

Unusual haplogroup, Q-L713. The paternal line has a Serbian surname.

results from western Serbia (Zlatibor, Moravica, Kolubara)
haplogroup https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-A7993/

North_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	Northeast_African	Sub0Saharan
19.84	32.64	16.27	9.05	21.02	0	0.14	0.19	0.54	0.32	0	0	0
27.45	28.16	19.37	6.34	16.51	0	0	0	1.63	0.12	0.1	0	0.35
24.23	29.48	14.81	11.48	16.4	2.44	0	0.63	0.2	0.32	0	0	0
25.66	30.3	17.18	5.52	16.52	1.05	1.24	1.17	0.5	0.12	0	0.4	0.3
22.36	29.94	19.53	11.54	13.05	0	0.41	2.22	0	0.87	0.08	0	0

Three samples of Serb-Americans with Dalmatian Serb roots. First one is niece? Of Nanich.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...08/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...87/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...27/unknown.png

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

A family from Banat, mostly Serbian, with some Romanian and Swabian ancestry.

North_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	Northeast_African	Sub0Saharan
27.4	28.58	16.44	9.63	12.38	2.19	0.43	0.84	0.19	1.9	0	0	0
23.91	28.11	18.87	8.83	14.51	1.71	0.29	0.61	0	2.7	0	0.47	0
31.15	27.3	17.53	7.9	12.45	0.56	0.71	0.95	0	1.39	0.07	0	0

Unusual haplogroup, Q-L713. The paternal line has a Serbian surname.

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I do wonder if these Serbs who are under L713 but from different regions match with each other or have a different haplotype? I'm trying to guess what population might bring it to the region but can not make a certain evaluation as I do not know the pre-Ottoman registers of Serbia. The clade's itself found in the medieval Turks, Avars from Hungary, Huns from various regions, either a Proto Bulgar or Avar from Bulgaria as well as having an origin from Iron Age Altay. Strong presence within Hungarians, Romanians, and Serbians may indicate more than one source for it -if haplotypes are diverse- or a strong connection with a particular group I mentioned previously.

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

I do wonder if these Serbs who are under L713 but from different regions match with each other or have a different haplotype? I'm trying to guess what population might bring it to the region but can not make a certain evaluation as I do not know the pre-Ottoman registers of Serbia. The clade's itself found in the medieval Turks, Avars from Hungary, Huns from various regions, either a Proto Bulgar or Avar from Bulgaria as well as having an origin from Iron Age Altay. Strong presence within Hungarians, Romanians, and Serbians may indicate more than one source for it -if haplotypes are diverse- or a strong connection with a particular group I mentioned previously.

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Serb/Montenegrin tribe Bratonožići is Q1bL274>L275>F1213>M378>Y2016>L245>Y2209>FGC2020

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bratonožići

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

I do wonder if these Serbs who are under L713 but from different regions match with each other or have a different haplotype? I'm trying to guess what population might bring it to the region but can not make a certain evaluation as I do not know the pre-Ottoman registers of Serbia. The clade's itself found in the medieval Turks, Avars from Hungary, Huns from various regions, either a Proto Bulgar or Avar from Bulgaria as well as having an origin from Iron Age Altay. Strong presence within Hungarians, Romanians, and Serbians may indicate more than one source for it -if haplotypes are diverse- or a strong connection with a particular group I mentioned previously.

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I couldn't find much info on the forum or website. It's found in Macedonia and Southern Serbia as well. So this man is more likely to originate from there (since that's where Vojvodina Serbs come from), and not from a Serbianized Hungarian or Romanian.
Maybe it has something to do with Kumanovo? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumanovo#Etymology

A Serbian man from Srem. The kit is linked to his wikitree:

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 Kit KX9127447

Admix Results (sorted):

#        Population        Percent
1        Baltic        28.47
2        East_Med        20.51
3        North_Atlantic        20.25
4        West_Med        17.62
5        West_Asian        8.98
6        Red_Sea        2.74
7        Amerindian        0.76
8        Siberian        0.48
9        Oceanian        0.12
10        Sub-Saharan        0.07

Single Population Sharing:

#        Population (source)        Distance
1        Bulgarian        4.95
2        Romanian        5.87
3        Serbian        7.6
4        Moldavian        10.85
5        Greek_Thessaly        12.26
6        Croatian        13.51
7        Hungarian        14.84
8        Austrian        18.44
9        Tuscan        18.7
10        Central_Greek        19.23
11        North_Italian        19.28
12        Ukrainian_Lviv        19.48
13        Italian_Abruzzo        19.59
14        East_German        19.83
15        East_Sicilian        20.35
16        South_Polish        20.51
17        Ukrainian        20.53
18        West_Sicilian        20.56
19        Ashkenazi        21
20        Southwest_Russian        23.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#                Primary Population (source)        Secondary Population (source)        Distance
1                  65.8%        Greek_Thessaly        +        34.2%        Southwest_Russian        @        2.95
2                  72%        Greek_Thessaly        +        28%        Lithuanian        @        2.96
3                  68.1%        Greek_Thessaly        +        31.9%        Estonian_Polish        @        2.98
4                  68.7%        Greek_Thessaly        +        31.3%        Belorussian        @        3.15
5                  57.2%        Central_Greek        +        42.8%        Estonian_Polish        @        3.27
6                  68%        Greek_Thessaly        +        32%        Russian_Smolensk        @        3.3
7                  66.3%        Greek_Thessaly        +        33.7%        Ukrainian_Belgorod        @        3.31
8                  57.9%        Ukrainian        +        42.1%        Algerian_Jewish        @        3.31
9                  50.6%        Ukrainian        +        49.4%        Ashkenazi        @        3.35
10                  52%        South_Italian        +        48%        Estonian_Polish        @        3.38
11                  56.6%        South_Italian        +        43.4%        Lithuanian        @        3.42
12                  61.7%        Central_Greek        +        38.3%        Lithuanian        @        3.42
13                  55%        Southwest_Russian        +        45%        Algerian_Jewish        @        3.55
14                  55.8%        East_Sicilian        +        44.2%        Estonian_Polish        @        3.55
15                  63.3%        Greek_Thessaly        +        36.7%        Ukrainian        @        3.57
16                  57.9%        Central_Greek        +        42.1%        Belorussian        @        3.59
17                  50.6%        Southwest_Russian        +        49.4%        South_Italian        @        3.6
18                  60.3%        East_Sicilian        +        39.7%        Lithuanian        @        3.62
19                  52.7%        Russian_Smolensk        +        47.3%        Algerian_Jewish        @        3.67
20                  54.6%        Central_Greek        +        45.4%        Southwest_Russian        @        3.68

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I found one of your Bosansko Grahovo Serbian samples https://i.ibb.co/6N1mdS7/20200318-153619.jpg

His paternal ancestors settled in Grahovo from Strmica (in the second half of 19th century i think)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strmica,_Croatia
According to Aleksandar Bačko deeper origin of paternal line of family is from one island near Zadar from where they moved to Strmica in 18th century. They celebrate Đurđevdan and surname is quite specific. Surname was present in both places Strmica and Grahovo until 1995 (both places were full Serbian).