Not really that interesting. The physical/cultural differences between the population groups were still like day and night, and the admixture non-recent and mostly unknown anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sicilianu101
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Not really that interesting. The physical/cultural differences between the population groups were still like day and night, and the admixture non-recent and mostly unknown anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sicilianu101
He is actually a very bright person. With, from what I have seen, a solid grasp of the subject in question. But, then again, I am not an academic in this field, so, what do I know. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
I am a student too. Just you say things are not true. Just you don't want to admit your mistakes. Why here Mendel I don't understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quasimodem
Finns scored 9.1%, North Russians scored 10.2% - rather the same amount, the map puts an unnecessary stress on this 1.1%. North Russians are the same Russians from Vologda. Russians overall scored 6.5%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
And why shouldn't they have a relatively high Finno-Ugric and Siberian score? North Russians consistently show a relatively high Siberian element, being related to the local east Finnics. I suppose you know this study, which shows a strong presence of 'Finno-Ugric' N1c (~35%) and even the much more 'Siberian' N1b (~7%) in North Russians, which is virtually absent in Finns (~0.2% N1b, ~60% N1c). Non-Northern Russians lack the Siberian element, and show a much smaller Finno-Ugric one (~0.5% N1b, ~13% N1c).
And indeed, non-Northern Russians such as myself show much lower Asian elements on Dodecad and Eurogenes than Finns do. For instance, here are the Far East results for this particular calculator on which the maps are based:
Norwegian individual #1: 1.93%
Norwegian individual #2: 2.51%
Polish individual: 1.28%
French individual: 0.42%
German individual: 1.50%
Russian individual #1 (me): 4.32%
Russian individual #2: 6.27%
Finnish individual #1: 10.19%
Finnish individual #2: 6.96%
Finnish individual #3: 10.21%
Finnish individual #4: 8.51%
Assyrian individual: 2.79%
Kurdish individual: 7.23%
Turkish individual #1: 7.15%
Turkish individual #2: 10.96%
Half-Euro, half-Filipino individual: 45.74%
Same thing with the main Dodecad calculator. E.g., I have 2.1% Northeast Asian and 0.16% East Asian, average Finns have 6% Northeast Asian and 0.7% Southeast Asian, average Russians have 3.5% Northeast Asian and 0.9 Southeast Asian, average Vologda Russians have 6.3% Northeast Asian and 1% Southeast Asians.
What you say about North Russians being all different is very true. For instance, Pinega Russians are more Siberian than Chuvashes (15.8% N1b, 23.7% N1c), while Vologda Russians are pretty Slavo-Finno-Ugric (3.3% N1b, 35.5% N1c).
It should be noted that it doesn't specify whether the admixtures in question are Siberian. It just says 'Far Eastern'.
Sure, I write for years even on this board about recessive traits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quasimodem
That solely depends on the inheritance pattern and for many Negrid traits, its rather about all or nothing. The cases in which Negrid traits reappeared in a significant way, are very, very rare in mixed populations, because many of the typical Negrid traits, actually the least attractive and favourable ones, being dominant.Quote:
It's conceivable that the same could happen once in a blue moon with two Afrikaners with something like sickle cell anemia, I suppose.
For example a very broad-flat nose, frizzy hair, very dark skin etc. being all dominant or intermediate.
So if they disappear in a family, they "are out" - as a rule - and if there is an exception of one out of 100.000 for unknown reasons - who cares!
The statistics for deadly diseases coming up by change with or without mixture being more serious and higher numbered!
Also, what does that tell you about what I said, that racial boundaries make sense, even in a totally mixed group?
If mulattoes mix just among themselves, they will obviously keep up a much higher proportion of Europid traits than if they mix on with Negrids, which will just further dilute their Europoid traits.
Also, on the long run, many Europid-Negrid mixed populations seem, at least with favourable selection, approach a more stable and harmonised form, which is basically Aethiopiform and has higher frequences of long heads, higher faces, narrower noses and lighter skin. So all more progressive and favourable traits.
If they mix on with Negrids, those traits won't stabilise, but disappear.
So even for mulattoes it makes sense if they prefer to mate among themselves, especially keep the women to themselves - which determines their numbers, while males could spread on, like always...
Posted on another forum. Thought I would share it here as well.
MDS. Most European, ME, and N African populations.
How much Far East would Hungarians show?
Dial 911!:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
0.6% Northeast Asian and 0.3% Southeast AsianQuote:
Originally Posted by safety pin
Hungarian average from Dodecad v3.
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadu
Russians from Vologda region...Quote:
Originally Posted by Quasimodem
http://s53.radikal.ru/i140/1109/1e/84a42f3625bf.jpg
http://s11.radikal.ru/i183/1109/ec/8008b91c16dd.jpg
http://s010.radikal.ru/i312/1109/47/6c5fae025c60.jpg
http://s001.radikal.ru/i196/1109/53/60315c0b5641.jpg
That is very little. Hungarians are surprisingly European considering their linguistic origins. And, I wonder why they score so high on Northern European in some analyses?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
I think it is the combination of strong Northern European with considerable SE element, and a tiny Asian admixture which makes me cluster strongly with Hungarians. MacDonald's first analysis on me said I was 97% Hungarian lol.
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Originally Posted by Loki
yeah hungarians score pretty strongly with almost all euros guess theyre uber central european. BTW Loki in the dodecade didnt you also come out somewhat balkanite??
Not aware of that, my Southern European component is not high enough for such a match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steal
My Y-DNA is SE, though. E1b1b1a2 (E-V13) - the one commonly associated with ancient Greek expansion and is high in modern Albanians.
in the latest decode thing didnt you get the same balticatlantic avg as the balkans though?? and the french was also suprisingly close to the balkan oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Loki
this one http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...905#post516905
Haven't had a look a national averages, I'll check it out tomorrow. now need to sleep! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Steal
ok, here are
BOUDICAs
[1,] "N._European" "7.3179"
[2,] "CEU" "7.6796"
[3,] "Argyll_1KG" "9.1197"
[4,] "Orcadian" "9.6223"
[5,] "Orkney_1KG" "9.8874"
[6,] "German_D" "10.6222"
[7,] "French" "11.9409"
[8,] "Mixed_Germanic_D" "12.6267"
[9,] "French_D" "12.6507"
[10,] "Dutch_D" "14.3746"
[11,] "Slovenian" "16.245"
[12,] "Kent_1KG" "16.806"
[13,] "British_D" "18.7751"
[14,] "British_Isles_D" "18.8594"
[15,] "Cornwall_1KG" "19.2634"
[16,] "Hungarians" "21.3363"
[17,] "Irish_D" "21.9289"
[18,] "Swedish_D" "22.1368"
[19,] "Norwegian_D" "23.1831"
[20,] "Tuscan_H" "24.0694"
[21,] "TSI" "24.1915"
[22,] "Tuscan_X" "24.4108"
[23,] "Portuguese_D" "24.8349"
[24,] "French_Basque" "25.189"
[25,] "N_Italian_D" "25.3987"
[26,] "Spaniards" "26.2987"
[27,] "IBS" "27.443"
[28,] "Spanish_D" "27.558"
[29,] "North_Italian" "30.0721"
[30,] "FIN" "30.3461"
My results for the new "Euro7" Calculator from Dodecad (http://dodecad.blogspot.com/2011/09/...alculator.html)
44.37% Southeastern
31.88% Southwestern
12.65% Caucasus
9.14% Northwestern
1.94% African
0.02% Northeastern
0.00% Far_Asian
Here's what i got:
47.54% Southwestern
32.05% Northwestern
11.14% Southeastern
3.81% Northeastern
2.75% African
2.71% Caucasus
0.00% Far_Asian
That latest "Euro7" components....
Frederick
3.49% Caucasus (German average: 4.6%)
45.91% Northwestern (German average: 46.4%)
33.99% Northeastern (German average: 29.4%)
9.39% Southeastern (German average: 9.6%)
0.00% African (German average: 0%)
0.24% Far_Asian (German average: 0.1%)
6.98% Southwestern (German average: 9.9%)
Boudica:
7.14% Caucasus
44.58% Northwestern
18.00% Northeastern
14.41% Southeastern
0.49% African
0.01% Far_Asian
15.36% Southwestern
Sahson:
7.52% Caucasus (British average: 6.2%, Orkneys: 5.8%)
50.11% Northwestern (British average: 68.3%, Orkneys 54.1%)
20.97% Northeastern (British average: 10.2%, Orkneys 20.1)
7.96% Southeastern (British average: 6.1%, Orkneys 5.2%)
0.15% African (British average: 0.1%, Orkneys 0%)
0.02% Far_Asian (British average: 0.2%, Orkneys 0.1%)
13.26% Southwestern (British average: 8.9%, Orkneys 14.7%)
Mine:
6.70% Caucasus
41.55% Northwestern
19.72% Northeastern
13.09% Southeastern
2.36% African
1.32% Far_Asian
15.27% Southwestern
My results:
5.01% Caucasus (Norwegian average: 4.2%)
69.38% Northwestern (Norwegian average: 68.1%)
24.68% Northeastern (Norwegian average: 20.9%)
0.04% Southeastern (Norwegian average: 3.1%)
0.00% African (Norwegian average: 0.00%)
0.87% Far_Asian (Norwegian average: 0.8%)
0.01% Southwestern (Norwegian average: 3%)
00.34% Caucasus
81.86% Northwestern
05.37% Northeastern
12.39% Southeastern
00.00% African
00.05% Far_Asian
00.00% Southwestern
3.59% Caucasus
30.17% Northwestern
38.30% Northeastern
13.39% Southeastern
0.00% African
0.72% Far_Asian
13.83% Southwestern
Me:
5.71% Caucasus
24.87% Northwestern
53.06% Northeastern
6.01% Southeastern
0.00% African
2.66% Far_Asian
7.69% Southwestern
A few western Russians with small North/East Asian admixtures:
Russian #1
3.75% Caucasus
24.80% Northwestern
55.26% Northeastern
3.45% Southeastern
0.06% African
4.41% Far_Asian
8.27% Southwestern
Russian #2 (1's father)
5.33% Caucasus
26.56% Northwestern
49.62% Northeastern
6.00% Southeastern
0.00% African
3.75% Far_Asian
8.75% Southwestern
Russian #3 (1's mother)
3.72% Caucasus
24.76% Northwestern
54.99% Northeastern
4.15% Southeastern
0.03% African
4.03% Far_Asian
8.32% Southwestern
Russian #4
6.21% Caucasus
24.51% Northwestern
52.24% Northeastern
5.84% Southeastern
0.00% African
1.97% Far_Asian
9.23% Southwestern
Russian #5 (4's son)
6.47% Caucasus
21.72% Northwestern
52.05% Northeastern
7.85% Southeastern
0.28% African
2.38% Far_Asian
9.25% Southwestern
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FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
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6.97% Caucasus
34.03% Northwestern
4.81% Northeastern
20.90% Southeastern
0.00% African
0.00% Far_Asian
33.29% Southwestern
What kind of experiment is this? Why do I get this exotic stuff? It's confusing, so I hope someone can explain... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
You just have a somewhat higher than average Norwegian West Asian input. Since West Asian is pretty low in Norway it seems, you are the ideal Norwegian + minor West Asian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olavsson
Population
East_European 14.2%
West_European 50.8%
Mediterranean 25.4%
Neo_African -
West_Asian 5.4%
South_Asian 1.0%
Northeast_Asian 0.3%
Southeast_Asian 0.3%
East_African 0.1%
Southwest_Asian 1.2%
Northwest_African 1.1%
Palaeo_African -
not bad not bad
28.04% Northeastern
23.09% Caucasus
19.15% Southeastern
15.73% Northwestern
11.52% Southwestern
2.30% Far_Asian
0.17% African
My result from the eurasia7 calculator:
0.00% Sub_Saharan (Norwegian average : 0.00%)
6.66% West_Asian (Norwegian average : 5.2%)
86.89% Atlantic_Baltic (Norwegian average : 84.6%)
0.02% East_Asian (Norwegian average : 0.1%)
2.61% Southern (Norwegian average : 6.2%)
1.12% South_Asian (Norwegian average : 2.1%)
2.70% Siberian (Norwegian average : 1.8%)
All the population averages can be found here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...xWnA2Wnc#gid=0
Eurasia7:
34.99% Southern (Sicilian Average : 32.3%)
32.06% West_Asian (Sicilian Average : 29.7%)
31.46% Atlantic_Baltic (Sicilian Average : 35.9%)
1.4% Sub_Saharan (Sicilian Average : 1.6%)
.08% East_Asian (Sicilian Average : .2%)
.01% South_Asian (Sicilian Average : .1%)
.00% Siberian (Sicilian Average : .1%)
DV3
14.10% East_European
41.55% West_European
28.47% Mediterranean
0.00% Neo_African
10.29% West_Asian
1.62% South_Asian
0.62% Northeast_Asian
0.05% Southeast_Asian
0.00% East_African
3.12% Southwest_Asian
0.13% Northwest_African
0.05% Palaeo_African
Euro7
5.46% Caucasus
35.46% Northwestern
24.49% Northeastern
19.48% Southeastern
0.17% African
0.70% Far_Asian
14.24% Southwestern
New dodecad thing, K12a:
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FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
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45.13% Mediterranean
0.00% Far_Asian
0.00% Siberian
25.87% North_European
0.62% South_Asian
0.29% West_African
12.83% Caucasus
4.17% Gedrosia
1.42% East_African
1.11% Southwest_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
8.56% Northwest_African
Dodecad K12a:
39.19% Caucasus
31.00% Mediterranean
12.44% Southwest_Asian
8.90% North_European
5.67% Northwest_African
0.96% South_Asian
0.88% Gedrosia
0.71% East_African
0.19% West_African
0.01% Far_Asian
0.05% Southeast_Asian
0.00% Siberian
Hope this is enough to be accepted into the Euro club:
18.26% Mediterranean
0.03% Far_Asian
2.46% Siberian
34.91% North_European
0.33% South_Asian
0.11% West_African
32.87% Caucasus
6.84% Gedrosia
0.00% East_African
4.05% Southwest_Asian
0.14% Southeast_Asian
0.01% Northwest_African
Dodecad K12a
DOD197(Me)
Mediterranean 31.8%
Far_Asian 0%
Siberian 1.1%
North_European 59.2%
South_Asian 0%
West_African 0%
Caucasus 1.9%
Gedrosia 6%
East_African 0%
Southwest_Asian 0%
Southeast_Asian 0%
Northwest_African 0%
Norwegian_D(N=10) average
Mediterranean 36%
Far_Asian 0%
Siberian 0.8%
North_European 55.2%
South_Asian 0%
West_African 0%
Caucasus 1.2%
Gedrosia 6.4%
East_African 0%
Southwest_Asian 0.3%
Southeast_Asian 0.1%
Northwest_African 0%
Swedish_D(N=10) average
Mediterranean 33.5%
Far_Asian 0%
Siberian 1.1%
North_European 57.2%
South_Asian 0.2%
West_African 0%
Caucasus 1.1%
Gedrosia 6.1%
East_African 0%
Southwest_Asian 0.5%
Southeast_Asian 0.2%
Northwest_African 0%
me 283
Mediterranean 31.8
Far_Asian 0
Siberian 1
North_European 48.1
South_Asian 0
West_African 0
Caucasus 11.8
Gedrosia 5.1
East_African 0
Southwest_Asian 2.2
Southeast_Asian 0
Northwest_African 0
I wonder about the "Gedrosian" component and for what it might stand? It seems to be "pre Indo-European South Asian Neolithic Europids" if one wants to interpret it that way.
Especially "Gedrosian" and "South Asian" has a strange distribution it seems, with "South Asian" being highest in the Malayans!
"South Asian" being generally higher in those people have a stronger Weddoid/"Ancestral South Indian" component.
According to wikipedia 'Gedrosia' was the ancient Hellenized name for the area that is now Balochistan in Pakistan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrippa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gedrosia