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k13 Baltic is a great marker of Slavic admixture in BalkansQuote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Bosnian Croats and Bosniaks can have 34 and more Baltic, which Serbs from any region don't have.
Serbs from Northern Bosnia (Pannonian zone), like Ford or these academic samples, have 32% Baltic, like the Serb from Kusadak.
This is average of my wife, my dad and me (it should be called ph2ter_family :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
Kaykavian_Croatian,32.40,34.24,12.44,7.93,7.81,1.4 9,1.32,0.75,0.15,1.18,0.23,0.00,0.06
You posted it on plots so I thought it is taken from some Croat forum as users average (for example from Varazdin I remember).Quote:
Originally Posted by ph2ter
Were? DNA.LAND? Spare me with that amateur crap, where 1 family member can score high balkan and another 0 or random south euros with 20-30% NW euro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Target: Feiichy_Father
Distance: 2.2356% / 2.23564939 | ADC: 0.25x
40.0 Croatian
29.6 Hungarian
26.6 Serbian
2.2 Bulgarian
1.2 Sardinian
0.4 Dai
Target: Feiichy_Mother
Distance: 1.7688% / 1.76881653 | ADC: 0.25x
61.4 Moldavian
30.6 Austrian
6.0 Serbian
1.2 Spanish_Galicia
0.4 Georgian
0.4 Saudi
Target: Feiichy
Distance: 2.7653% / 2.76530998 | ADC: 0.25x
36.2 Austrian
30.6 Moldavian
28.6 Croatian
3.4 North_Ossetian
0.6 Balkar
0.6 French_Basque
My family Baltic is below average. We have higher North Atlantic and especially North Sea in K15 (both my parents 26%, me almost 28%).Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
This was K15.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
Added. Croats check it out for K13 updated now...Quote:
Originally Posted by ph2ter
Who said harappaworld is best for south/central asians? Absolute bullshit, no iranian, no uzbek, no russian, no tatar crimean. Kill him
Target: Bakha
Distance: 7.0626% / 7.06262586 | ADC: 1x44.2 yaghnobi 36.4 slovenian 10.6 ashkenazi 8.0 singapore-indian-d 0.8 nogai
Target: Bakha
Distance: 2.6441% / 2.64406538 | ADC: 0.5x23.2 yaghnobi 22.8 ashkenazi 16.6 singapore-indian-d 16.4 slovenian 14.6 chuvash 5.8 nogai 0.6 uzbek
Target: Bakha
Distance: 1.8676% / 1.86762754 | ADC: 0.25x23.6 ashkenazi 18.6 singapore-indian-d 18.4 chuvash 17.8 yaghnobi 9.8 slovenian 7.0 nogai 3.2 italian 1.6 uzbek
Could be for K15 too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ph2ter
Serbs could have high Baltic, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
I have 33.8% Baltic.
Austrian sample isn't very Germanic, LMAO. My father gets 10% SE English on 0 pen, which is far more Germanic than any Austrians.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProudBrit
Very nice :) :) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
Distance to: ph2terWife
2.50770812 Kaykavian_Croatian
4.94454245 Hungarian
5.54556617 Slovak
5.59329062 Czech
5.95002152 Slovenian
6.99735664 Croatian
7.07202941 East_German
7.58989460 Austrian
9.20980456 Moldavian
9.38082086 South_Polish
9.45644225 Csango_Gymes
9.54747611 Szekely
10.25027987 Serbian_Bosnia
10.32079939 Ukrainian_Lviv
10.48908957 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
10.94615896 Bosnian
10.98544492 Southern_Croat
11.67458779 Ukrainian
12.59427018 Serbian_new
13.37600090 Polish
14.83489467 Cossacks_Kuban
15.18372813 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
15.80871203 Montenegrin
15.84958359 Ukrainian_Belgorod
15.96662770 Southwest_Russian
Distance to: ph2ter_son
1.72478984 Kaykavian_Croatian
4.59373486 Hungarian
4.74496376 Slovak
5.03326932 Czech
5.32984177 Slovenian
6.40675425 Croatian
7.10707394 East_German
7.57825838 Austrian
8.64141192 Csango_Gymes
8.94076059 Moldavian
8.95268116 South_Polish
9.28676478 Szekely
9.70181426 Ukrainian_Lviv
9.75899521 Serbian_Bosnia
10.29497450 Southern_Croat
10.30640092 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
10.66251953 Bosnian
11.22934103 Ukrainian
12.25784349 Serbian_new
12.83733228 Polish
14.08923703 Cossacks_Kuban
14.98089116 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
15.51730325 Southwest_Russian
15.51946520 Ukrainian_Belgorod
15.63251800 Montenegrin
Distance to: ph2ter_dad
2.87490869 Kaykavian_Croatian
3.14369210 Hungarian
3.54384966 Slovenian
4.01496675 Slovak
4.84460525 Czech
5.77493723 Croatian
7.15582979 East_German
7.39585019 Csango_Gymes
7.43113719 Austrian
7.94935768 Serbian_Bosnia
8.19029914 Szekely
8.21330019 Southern_Croat
8.69200782 Moldavian
9.26751186 Bosnian
9.30230617 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
9.30390778 South_Polish
10.32405928 Ukrainian_Lviv
10.63114689 Serbian_new
11.42524836 Ukrainian
13.39164292 Polish
13.81767347 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
14.38425941 Montenegrin
14.94505938 Cossacks_Kuban
15.82353627 Southwest_Russian
16.12289676 Romanian_Oltenia
Distance to: ph2ter
2.01198907 Kaykavian_Croatian
3.30109073 Czech
4.09696749 Slovak
5.26153970 Hungarian
5.94740631 Slovenian
6.04093536 East_German
7.13595824 Croatian
7.33124819 Austrian
8.02059225 South_Polish
9.16689697 Ukrainian_Lviv
9.83138851 Csango_Gymes
10.31146934 Moldavian
10.58923510 Ukrainian
10.76851893 Szekely
11.03357093 Serbian_Bosnia
11.28085546 Southern_Croat
11.64632560 Polish
11.79685975 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
12.10448192 Bosnian
12.95402640 Cossacks_Kuban
13.66042453 Serbian_new
14.63608896 Southwest_Finnish
14.68577203 North_Swedish
14.99077383 Southwest_Russian
15.19659172 Ukrainian_Belgorod
i know. HungryLion has 33 too. but i was just talking about Bosnia, there the maximum for Serbs is 32.7Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Also Ford plots closer to Croats than to Serbs. He is also bit western. He is probably mixed with Croats (mentioned some grandma was called Mara or something)Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
No, its not, thats like saying being 10% russian is more than being 30% polish, espcially when your dad has tons of bulgarians there to counter it and you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
thats because it has been replaced with the high North Atlantic/North Sea of slovenes/nw croats/ pannonians, mix a serb with a slovene at different ratios and you get a croat on both gedmatch and 23andme, language and ydnas agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
And for K15:
Kaykavian_Croatian,21.74,20.11,20.79,14.68,8.12,6. 47,5.05,0.84,0.67,0.30,0.00,0.87,0.29,0.09,0.00
(this is my family + Varazdin sample)
Hungarian mongrel, don't stick to irrelevant modeling on K13, it isn't science nor serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProudBrit
Mix a Croat with Romanians and you get a Serb, hahaha.
Mix a Bulgar with Gypsy and Serb, you get a Romanian.
The only hungarian mongrel is your husband.Mix a hungarian, a romanian and a gypsy and you get him.:lightbul:Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Again, you have to have the context of this, genetics is not enough, we're not the one speaking the serbian language like your kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Countries as big as Romania, Serbia or Bosnia cannot come from something as small and insignificant in history as Croatia :lightbul::lightbul:
We certanly don't speak language of primitive Serbian sheperds who never created any literature or any kind of culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProudBrit
Stick to Smrdija, and don't claim cultures far superior to orthodox subhumans.
Nobody wants to claim your kind, because they are inferior and looked down upon (with good reason)
And yes Bosnia is very big country :laugh:
If you want to use any samples I posted, I just want to point out they are all 100% pure Croats and not guesses based on their surname or mixed with Serb or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Anyways, I think there should be two South Croat averages.
There should be "South_Croat1" for people in the Max Soldo (Baltic shited) cluster and "South_Croat2" for people in the Insuperable (Med/Balkan shifted) cluster.
The South Croats in the second cluster seem to be much more numerous in my experience (they usually get Serbian as their top population). These two populations are pretty genetically distinct so grouping them together doesn't seem right to me. I think the sample size for Croats in the first cluster are not that large and there shouldn't be confusion on distinguishing them. What do you think about splitting them up?
Thank you. Added.Quote:
Originally Posted by ph2ter
My average is made of both. I don't know. These Serbian shifted are probably of Vlach origins. Those Baltic shifted should be pre-Ottoman southern Croats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
Damn these Balkan Shit spamming the thread so much
Thanks to Mingle, added to Harappa
pashtun-kandahar,15.76,35.44,23.88,13.37,0.25,2.08,1.10,0. 24,0.97,0.86,1.87,4.03,0.03,0.06,0.00,0.0
pashtun-n-afghanistan,15.54,32.53,21.48,13.21,0.01,3.39,2.82 ,1.27,1.60,1.37,1.81,3.82,0.64,0.18,0.32,0.00
pashtun-tarkalani,21.04,36.86,18.87,13.50,0.43,0.92,0.64,0 .41,1.02,1.11,1.34,3.58,0.03,0.07,0.05,0.13
pashtun-uthmankhel,21.31,36.76,18.96,13.91,0.25,1.84,0.40, 0.30,1.02,0.88,1.69,2.48,0.00,0.00,0.06,0.15
pashtun-yusufzai,23.30,36.87,18.83,12.19,0.47,1.53,0.63,0. 53,1.02,0.81,1.26,2.26,0.07,0.10,0.07,0.07
baloch-iran,12.27,36.97,26.81,6.47,0.18,1.04,0,0.20,0.18, 0.46,0,11.39,0.17,1.14,0.50,2.26
kamboj,27.06,37.51,16.49,11.38,0.36,0.91,0.41,0.25 ,1.04,0.80,1.58,2.18,0.00,0.02,0.02,0.01
iranian-bandari,10.61,33.58,26.59,5.87,0.71,0.25,0,0.35,0. 42,0.25,2.07,10.79,0.14,2.78,1.12,4.46
iranian-kerman,8.29,26.43,38.79,5.94,0,0.82,0.63,1.32,0.25 ,0,5.26,12.27,0,0,0,0
iranian-mashhad,6.04,30.41,31.12,9.12,0,0,6.78,0,0,0,5.84, 8.58,0,0,0,0
iranian-yazd,8.11,31.49,30.15,7.87,0,1.98,1.18,0.63,0,0.52 ,6.18,11.04,0,0.47,0.17,0.21
iraq-domari,25.65,26.94,21.68,3.08,1.02,0.3,0,0.83,0.31 ,0.94,3.32,10.63,0.20,1.86,0.19,3.11
pamiri-ishkashim,12.7,33.55,19.67,20.6,0.86,3.15,2.34,0.7 1,1.69,0.87,2.85,0.92,0,0,0.09,0
pamiri-shughnan,9.60,31.84,20.89,21.50,0.06,4.59,3.11,0.1 3,2.01,0.97,4.24,0.99,0,0.09,0,0
pamiri-rushan,8.30,31.89,19.79,23.63,0.65,3.47,2.65,0.28, 1.55,1.39,4.82,1.55,0.06,0,0,0
yaghnobi,4.42,29.52,26.46,22.25,0.21,3.36,2.28,0.3 3,1.26,0.66,5.37,3.85,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
pamiri-wakhi,15.53,32.59,18.75,19.39,0,3.02,2.56,0.48,2.5 2,1.95,1.97,1.21,0.04,0,0,0
gawar,29.77,42.48,14.22,7.77,0.07,0.73,0.78,0.58,0 .47,0.99,2.09,0,0,0.08,0,0
dameli,20.79,39.89,18.46,14.41,0,2.06,0.85,0.27,1. 01,0.96,0.7,0.59,0,0,0,0
nuristani,20.11,43.20,18.84,13.36,0,1.22,0.32,0.08 ,0.83,1.35,0,0.72,0,0,0,0
kho,18.65,35.85,18.20,16.45,0.09,2.81,2.82,0.14,1. 70,1.34,0.84,1.07,0.01,0,0.02,0
gujar-pakistan,31.39,42.24,12.71,8.70,0.15,0.88,0.40,0.1 0,0.60,0.65,0.18,1.71,0.03,0.02,0.15,0.08
phalura,24.54,38.77,16.49,13.65,0.56,3.47,0,0.12,1 .2,0.61,0,0.59,0,0,0,0
punjabi-saini,34.29,38.26,13.12,7.74,0.33,1.04,0.79,0.69,0 .94,0.71,0.96,1.03,0.06,0.02,0.00,0.01
parsi,16.95,30.86,28.87,5.11,0,0,0.53,0.73,0.19,0. 64,3.32,11.91,0,0.88,0,0
tajik-herat,10.73,30.17,25.17,10.72,0.43,4.04,3.60,0.40, 1.13,0.99,4.88,7.31,0.07,0.12,0.06,0.22
tajik-nw-afghanistan,11.94,26.22,20.13,9.92,1.97,7.83,9.35, 1.16,1.39,1.83,3.15,3.60,0.63,0.48,0.39,0.00
tajik-panjshir,17.02,37.79,22.21,12.22,0.99,2.44,0.59,0. 82,0.85,0.25,1.26,3.26,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.29
turkmen-afghanistan,5.50,18.75,19.50,12.00,0.50,14.50,13.2 5,1.50,1.50,2.50,5.75,3.25,0.50,0.50,0.25,0.00
uzbek-afghanistan,12.00,26.40,20.00,10.20,1.20,7.60,9.80 ,1.00,0.80,2.20,3.60,5.00,0.60,0.00,0.00,0.00
qizilbash-1,11.47,30.11,31.18,6.9,0,3.45,1.13,0,1.28,0.17,2. 78,10.44,0,0,0,1.26
qizilbash-2,15.10,27.9,25.2,8.84,0,3.99,7.32,0.00,2.48,0.17, 4.59,3.90,0.00,0.00,0.50,0.00.00
@Lukasz The croatian samples are very good, I like how you've split south-croats from kajkavian ones,I appreciate what you're doing, keep up the good work buddy!!
0x
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 3.6691% / 3.66906015
57.8 Lithuanian2
15.2 Moroccan_Jew
12.8 East_Finnish
8.2 Romanian_Muntenia
6.0 Spanish_Valencia
0.25x
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 4.1450% / 4.14501247 | ADC: 0.25x
56.8 Lithuanian
31.4 Romanian_NorthMoldova
8.0 Serbian_Bosnia
2.6 East_Finnish
1.2 Yemenite_Jewish
2x
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 7.7457% / 7.74573431 | ADC: 2x
100.0 South_Polish
Eurogenes K13 ^
I made the south Croatian average idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProudBrit
Working now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
And why is ''Romanian'' subhuman not banned yet? There is no place on TA for socks of permabanned users.
Anyone with HPV virus is not in position to call anyone "subhuman" lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
The Romanian academic sample is from Gorj, isn't it? I asked Lukasz to rename it to Romanian_Oltenia.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
I do not discuss with people who have no inner toilet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
there is also a 3rd set, from all over the country, it was uploaded by Ajeje Brazorf, i think that's the one used for the averageQuote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
But you are filthiest here, than the toilet seatQuote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
Speaking of academic samples, does anyone have any idea on how many people is the Hungarian sample based upon, and is there any information about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
Yes, Romanian_Oltenia it’s nice.. Lukasz, do you have the Romanian_Apuseni samples? Could you add? (Name:Romanian_Transylvania).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
Thank you
Its interesting how are they very far from each other - souther and kaykavian ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProudBrit
https://i.imgur.com/yKAnDkI.jpg https://i.imgur.com/06awmKz.jpg
Someone will say - artificial nation. ;)
Wouldn't it make sense to separate those with possible Vlach origins from those without? They score nothing like each other. One could be labeled South Croat1 and another could be South Croat2. If someone like Max Soldo or that new user from Posušje post their results there, they'll be confused since they'll get it at a large distance. They have different genetics so it makes sense to separate them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy