Serbian Autosomal DNA

Out of interest in this discussion, I decided to try a little experiment. I went through my matches on gedmatch and searched for the first 50 people of Serbian, Croatian and Bosniak background I could find. For some I already knew their ancestry, for others I had nothing to go on but their first and last names they left along with their kit. Obviously, I excluded the people with results that clearly appear mixed (people like Ayetooey, for example, who have Serbian names but are half NW Euro). Most of those inidivduals I'd say are Serbs, with a fair few Croats and three Bosniaks.

The average Baltic score on K13 out of the people I checked out is 29.88. The lowest I found belongs to Croat Belfranin from Zadar county - 22.51 , yet his North Atlantic is extremely high, over 30. The highest score, 35.58 had Miškulin, another Dalmatian Croat. But, he scores only about 21 North Atlantic, so he's practically the polar opposite of the man from Zadar in that regard.

Only one person scored below 25, and only two of them above 35 (as you can see, just barely).

So, my conclusion is: yes, individuals like those Serbs Pribislav keeps spamming lately, as well as Max Soldo for a Croat, are serious outliers and continuously posting them and only them gives a pretty twisted view and can cause less informed people to make wrong conclusions about the topic - for example: ''Krajina Serbs are Croat admixed and closer to Croats than to other Serb''. Not saying a Serb can't so much 'Baltic' or north European DNA, but when even the majority of Croats don't, this constant circlejerk is really hard to understand.

Results of Krajina Serb (Lika region), surname Cvjetićanin.

K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.79
2 North_Atlantic 25.41
3 West_Med 16.04
4 East_Med 13.59
5 West_Asian 10.23
6 Red_Sea 2.85
7 East_Asian 0.47
8 Amerindian 0.25
9 Oceanian 0.2
10 Northeast_African 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.02
2 Moldavian 4.54
3 Croatian 6.78
4 Romanian 7.05
5 Hungarian 8.07
6 Bulgarian 9.1
7 Austrian 11.7
8 East_German 12.85
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.22
10 South_Polish 14.03

K15

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 20.2
2 Baltic 18.06
3 Eastern_Euro 14.63
4 North_Sea 13.31
5 West_Med 11.62
6 West_Asian 9.9
7 East_Med 9.68
8 Red_Sea 2.59

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.6
2 Romanian 7.26
3 Croatian 7.82
4 Austrian 8.32
5 Moldavian 8.35
6 Bulgarian 8.6
7 Hungarian 10.92
8 East_German 13.62
9 South_Polish 14.3
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.85

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47% Tuscan @ 4.24
2 56.6% Russian_Smolensk + 43.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.36
3 53.9% Russian_Smolensk + 46.1% Tuscan @ 4.39
4 52.9% Estonian_Polish + 47.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.44
5 71.3% Croatian + 28.7% Greek @ 4.55
6 76.2% Croatian + 23.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.59
7 52% Southwest_Russian + 48% Tuscan @ 4.6
8 58.3% Russian_Smolensk + 41.7% West_Sicilian @ 4.62
9 77.5% Croatian + 22.5% West_Sicilian @ 4.63
10 53.5% Croatian + 46.5% Bulgarian @ 4.67
11 51.2% Austrian + 48.8% Bulgarian @ 4.68
12 82.5% Croatian + 17.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.74
13 68.3% Bulgarian + 31.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.77
14 68.7% Bulgarian + 31.3% Polish @ 4.8
15 71.6% Bulgarian + 28.4% Estonian_Polish @ 4.81
16 50.2% Estonian_Polish + 49.8% Tuscan @ 4.82
17 50.2% Polish + 49.8% Greek @ 4.84
18 80.6% Croatian + 19.4% South_Italian @ 4.93
19 50.5% Russian_Smolensk + 49.5% Greek @ 4.94
20 78.2% Croatian + 21.8% Central_Greek @ 4.95


https://i.imgur.com/f8B6pTg.png

https://i.imgur.com/ML3eum2.jpg

What are the Serbian East and West Med averages? The old Eurogenes spreadsheet puts them at ca. 15 percent East and 15 percent West (on K15 it's around 12 percent each).

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Originally Posted by Leto

What are the Serbian East and West Med averages? The old Eurogenes spreadsheet puts them at ca. 15 percent East and 15 percent West (on K15 it's around 12 percent each).

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Yes, according to old Gedmatch 15.84% WestMed and 15.63% EastMed.
According to new average on Vahaduo, based mostly on Poreklo members, averages are 16.53% WestMed and 15.37% EastMed.

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Originally Posted by Babak

Alright then, this makes you a hypocrite. Mingle has a right to talk about whatever he wants regardless whether "HE hAs tHe rIgHt or nOt" With that said, Your people have no relationship with Persians or Iranians since we are not Europeans nor can you claim Early Iranians as Europeans either. Its already been established many times in this forum.

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We can claim Proto-Indo-Iranians though, who came from the heart of Europe, your language and Zorostrianism, which was first preached in the steppes of Southern Russia aka Airyanem Vaejah. Not less important, around 15% of the modern Iranian genome is North European-like.

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Results of Krajina Serb (Lika region), surname Cvjetićanin.

K13

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.79
2 North_Atlantic 25.41
3 West_Med 16.04
4 East_Med 13.59
5 West_Asian 10.23
6 Red_Sea 2.85
7 East_Asian 0.47
8 Amerindian 0.25
9 Oceanian 0.2
10 Northeast_African 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.02
2 Moldavian 4.54
3 Croatian 6.78
4 Romanian 7.05
5 Hungarian 8.07
6 Bulgarian 9.1
7 Austrian 11.7
8 East_German 12.85
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.22
10 South_Polish 14.03

K15

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 20.2
2 Baltic 18.06
3 Eastern_Euro 14.63
4 North_Sea 13.31
5 West_Med 11.62
6 West_Asian 9.9
7 East_Med 9.68
8 Red_Sea 2.59

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 6.6
2 Romanian 7.26
3 Croatian 7.82
4 Austrian 8.32
5 Moldavian 8.35
6 Bulgarian 8.6
7 Hungarian 10.92
8 East_German 13.62
9 South_Polish 14.3
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.85

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 47% Tuscan @ 4.24
2 56.6% Russian_Smolensk + 43.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.36
3 53.9% Russian_Smolensk + 46.1% Tuscan @ 4.39
4 52.9% Estonian_Polish + 47.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.44
5 71.3% Croatian + 28.7% Greek @ 4.55
6 76.2% Croatian + 23.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.59
7 52% Southwest_Russian + 48% Tuscan @ 4.6
8 58.3% Russian_Smolensk + 41.7% West_Sicilian @ 4.62
9 77.5% Croatian + 22.5% West_Sicilian @ 4.63
10 53.5% Croatian + 46.5% Bulgarian @ 4.67
11 51.2% Austrian + 48.8% Bulgarian @ 4.68
12 82.5% Croatian + 17.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.74
13 68.3% Bulgarian + 31.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.77
14 68.7% Bulgarian + 31.3% Polish @ 4.8
15 71.6% Bulgarian + 28.4% Estonian_Polish @ 4.81
16 50.2% Estonian_Polish + 49.8% Tuscan @ 4.82
17 50.2% Polish + 49.8% Greek @ 4.84
18 80.6% Croatian + 19.4% South_Italian @ 4.93
19 50.5% Russian_Smolensk + 49.5% Greek @ 4.94
20 78.2% Croatian + 21.8% Central_Greek @ 4.95


https://i.imgur.com/f8B6pTg.png

https://i.imgur.com/ML3eum2.jpg

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Impressive to see how many Lika Serbs both tested and uploaded their results on gedmatch! I think out of all the subregions Serbs live(d) in, we have the most examples from them. Yet, Lika itself never even had a particularly large number of ihabitants, they were less numerous than other Serbian groups, like Serbs from Kosovo who we almost know nothing about (autosomally).

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Originally Posted by Token

We can claim Proto-Indo-Iranians though, who came from the heart of Europe, your language and Zorostrianism, which was first preached in the steppes of Southern Russia aka Airyanem Vaejah. Not less important, around 15% of the modern Iranian genome is North European-like.

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Nah. You cant claim them either for the same reasons. Your history started much later.

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Originally Posted by Babak

Nah. You cant claim them either for the same reasons. Your history started much later.

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A Slav who is culturally appropriating Aryan history and cultural heritage for "muh whyte rayce!".

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Originally Posted by Kamal900

A Slav who is culturally appropriating Aryan history and cultural heritage for "muh whyte rayce!".

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And why do you care? For the record, neither you, nor Babak, nor Middle Easterners in general weren't even mentioned. So fuck off please.

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Originally Posted by Babak

Nah. You cant claim them either for the same reasons. Your history started much later.

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I have pale skin, gray-blue eyes and light hair. Many Steppe people would have looked more like me than like you. But who was talking about Iranians anyway? Why the fuck did you even butt in to begin with?

A friendly reminder: it is a European cultural community and we can discuss European ancestry in all kinds of ethnicities. If Pashtuns derive 25% of their ancestry from Russian Steppes, why can't I discuss it?

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Originally Posted by Leto

And why do you care? For the record, neither you, nor Babak, nor Middle Easterners in general weren't even mentioned. So fuck off please.

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Babak is ethnically Iranic which makes him Indo-Iranian or Aryan, and I really hate people who steal the cultural heritages from others for racial nationalism and so on. You're no different from Afrocentric lunatics in the US who claim that the ancient Egyptians and even the Arabs were Blacks. Stick to your own history and we'll stick to ours, thank you.

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Originally Posted by Leto

A friendly reminder: it is a European cultural community and we can discuss European ancestry in all kinds of ethnicities. If Pashtuns derive 25% of their ancestry from Russian Steppes, why can't I discuss it?

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You can discuss Papuans as well, there is no need for some kind of connection to show curiosity about whatever interests you. That's why I didn't understand issue with Mingle, it's cool he is interested in SE Europe.

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I have pale skin, gray-blue eyes and light hair. Many Steppe people would have looked more like me than like you. But who was talking about Iranians anyway? Why the fuck did you even butt in to begin with?

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Doesn't matter what you look like. Just because you physically resembled them more doesn't mean you have the right to claim our history. Its just fucking retarded.

This is the reason why butted in even further:

"Europeans are well known explorers, they went to all corners of the world and described the aboriginals, so we have a right to talk about non-whites on a European forum"

^ This implies that you can claim Iranian history.

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Originally Posted by Kamal900

Babak is ethnically Iranic which makes him Indo-Iranian or Aryan, and I really hate people who steal the cultural heritages from others for racial nationalism and so on. You're no different from Afrocentric lunatics in the US who claim that the ancient Egyptians and even the Arabs were Blacks. Stick to your own history and we'll stick to ours, thank you.

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I don't steal anything from anyone. I obviously don't consider myself "Aryan" or anything like that. In fact I'm not even a Slavic supremacist by any means. However I have some interest in Indo-European ancestry being an IE myself. Nobody even talked about "your history". In fact Iranian nationalists are not big fans of the Arabs who you identify with despite being a light Levantine and not a brown Ayrabian.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

You can discuss Papuans as well, there is no need for some kind of connection to show curiosity about whatever interests you. That's why I didn't understand issue with Mingle, it's cool he is interested in SE Europe.

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Well, no problem with him either but Pribislav told me he had attacked him despite not being from the Balkans or from Europe.

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Originally Posted by Babak

Doesn't matter what you look like. Just because you physically resembled them more doesn't mean you have the right to claim our history. Its just fucking retarded.

This is the reason why butted in even further:

"Europeans are well known explorers, they went to all corners of the world and described the aboriginals, so we have a right to talk about non-whites on a European forum"

^ This implies that you can claim Iranian history.

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No, it doesn't. But some of your ancestry, actually a small part, did come from our side.
I like Persia actually but obviously that's not my culture by any means.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I don't steal anything from anyone. I obviously don't consider myself "Aryan" or anything like that. In fact I'm not even a Slavic supremacist by any means. However I have some interest in Indo-European ancestry being an IE myself. Nobody even talked about "your history". In fact Iranian nationalists are not big fans of the Arabs who you identify with despite being a light Levantine and not a brown Ayrabian.

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You're insinuating the idea that Iranians are OWD buttlickers who are begging acceptance from Europeans and so on. Sorry, but most Iranians aren't like that, and Iranians have mostly beef against Arabians, not to us Levantines. Yeah? I'm Afro-Asiatic, and yet, you don't see me claiming the Chadic and the Cushtic peoples of Africa as my kin, no? Egyptians, both ancient and modern, are genetically very close to us Levantine and Arabian Semites despite them not being Semitic and Arabs themselves back in the day.

You stated that you can claim the Aryans as your own just because of their race and genetics alone which is no different from how Afrocentric Black nationalists like to claim that the ancient Egyptians was their ancestors and so on. Again, 7abiby, Iranians had existed long before your Slavic ancestors did, and you're genetically far more closer to other European groups like Germanic peoples than to Indo-Iranian or Aryan peoples of Asia. Bitch please. I myself am over 25% genetically neolithic Iranian, and my Arabian admixture is less than 9%. In fact, I'm more genetically Berber than Arabian.

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Originally Posted by Kamal900

You're insinuating the idea that Iranians are OWD buttlickers who are begging acceptance from Europeans and so on. Sorry, but most Iranians aren't like that, and Iranians have mostly beef against Arabians, not to us Levantines. Yeah? I'm Afro-Asiatic, and yet, you don't see me claiming the Chadic and the Cushtic peoples of Africa as my kin, no? Egyptians, both ancient and modern, are genetically very close to us Levantine and Arabian Semites despite them not being Semitic and Arabs themselves back in the day.

You stated that you can claim the Aryans as your own just because of their race and genetics alone which is no different from how Afrocentric Black nationalists like to claim that the ancient Egyptians was their ancestors and so on. Again, 7abiby, Iranians had existed long before your Slavic ancestors did, and you're genetically far more closer to other European groups like Germanic peoples than to Indo-Iranian or Aryan peoples of Asia. Bitch please. I myself am over 25% genetically neolithic Iranian, and my Arabian admixture is less than 9%. In fact, I'm more genetically Berber than Arabian.

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Okay. There was no need to initiate this flame, was there? This topic is about Serbs, not Iranians or Arabs.
And I think some people do mis-characterize me. Not every thing I post is totally serious.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Well, no problem with him either but Pribislav told me he had attacked him despite not being from the Balkans or from Europe.

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Pribislav is a troll, you should know that. :)

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Pribislav is a troll, you should know that. :)

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I don't think so. He is a Serb and interested almost exclusively in Serbian topics.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I don't think so. He is a Serb and interested almost exclusively in Serbian topics.

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He is a troll who claims many ridiculous things and any Serbian poster who isn't ultra-nationalist will tell you the same.

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Originally Posted by Babak

Nah. You cant claim them either for the same reasons. Your history started much later.

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Yes we can. They were Europeans who migrated to Central Asia.

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Originally Posted by Token

Yes we can. They were Europeans who migrated to Central Asia.

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Nah you can't. Stick to your Slav history.

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Originally Posted by Babak

Nah you can't. Stick to your Slav history.

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Don't be jealous. At least you are like 20% Proto-Iranic, that is already something.

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Originally Posted by Token

Don't be jealous. At least you are like 20% Proto-Iranic, that is already something.

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Jealous of what? lol. The fact that Slavs had nothing to do with the ethno-genesis of Indo-Iranians?

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Originally Posted by Babak

Nah you can't. Stick to your Slav history.

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He isn't Slavic, lol

You suckers shit bricks when I imply Ancient Russians founded your brown countries xD

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Originally Posted by Token

Don't be jealous. At least you are like 20% Proto-Iranic, that is already something.

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Yep. I claim Indian history because the higher the caste, the more of our ancestry :swl

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Originally Posted by Babak

Jealous of what? lol. The fact that Slavs had nothing to do with the ethno-genesis of Indo-Iranians?

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Token is a Brazilian scholar, has nothing to do with the Slavs.

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Originally Posted by Token

Yes we can. They were Europeans who migrated to Central Asia.

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It's pointless to claim anything imo. Yes PIE were more like Europeans, but the Indo-Europeans ancestral to Asian groups are not ancestral to Europeans. This is what matters. Proto Indo-Iranians shouldn't be "claimed" by Europeans as they are only the ancestors of Iranians and Central Asians etc.

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

It's pointless to claim anything imo. Yes PIE were more like Europeans, but the Indo-Europeans ancestral to Asian groups are not ancestral to Europeans. This is what matters. Proto Indo-Iranians shouldn't be "claimed" by Europeans as they are only the ancestors of Iranians and Central Asians etc.

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Some people claim Zarathustra was born in Chelyabinsk oblast, Russia. That's where the Sintashta river flows. I hear some Russian "neo-Nazis" go there to reconnect with their supposed Aryan roots. Even swastikas are sold there xD
Larpers gonna larp.

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Originally Posted by Leto

You suckers shit bricks when I imply Ancient Russians founded your brown countries xD

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The fuck are "Ancient russians"? Russians or as you put it "Ancient Russians" had nothing to do with Indo-Iranians nor with the formation of the Indo-Iranian identity. Most slavs, including Russians barely show any significant Scythian-like admix.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

He is a troll who claims many ridiculous things and any Serbian poster who isn't ultra-nationalist will tell you the same.

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Why you permanently trolling Serbs especially on this thread?

You admited here that your thread about high amount of East Meds among Serbs was trolling https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6571543

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The fuck are "Ancient russians"? Russians or as you put it "Ancient Russians" had nothing to do with Indo-Iranians nor with the formation of the Indo-Iranian identity. Most slavs, including Russians barely show any significant Scythian-like admix.

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Well, I'm not being serious. You and Moody attacked me first and derailed the thread.
I am an Indo-European though, so I can talk about da Steppe :cool:

By the way, will we see your 23andme and Gedmatch any time soon?

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Why you permanently trolling Serbs especially on this thread?

You admited here that your thread about high amount of East Meds among Serbs was trolling https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6571543

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Unlike you, I can admit trolling.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Some people claim Zarathustra was born in Chelyabinsk oblast, Russia. That's where the Sintashta river flows. I hear some Russian "neo-Nazis" go there to reconnect with their supposed Aryan roots. Even swastikas are sold there xD
Larpers gonna larp.

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It is generally agreed upon that Zarathustra was born in the South Russian steppes during the Iranian Heroic Age around 1500BC.

Hello, so I've noticed that this thread is very active so I would like to share my results if you don't mind. Basically I am majority Dalmatian and I suspect some Italian and Vlach influence due to the very high west med and low north atlantic I have, also plenty of croatized Italian surnames. I also have relatives on 23andme from Southern Italy(mainly Abruzzo), but since my Baltic is in the Croatian average I don't think I have much Italian ancestry. I have no Albanian or Greek ancestry, don't have and DNA relatives with them either so Arbanasi aren't a part of my ancestry. According to 23andme my ancestry comes from Dalmatia and border of Bosnia and Croatia(where my father is from) but almost all of that part of the family migrated from Dalmatia. Thank you and again, I know I am not Serbian by nationality so it isn't my place to post here.
https://www.forum.hr/showpost.php?p=...9&postcount=27

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Hello, so I've noticed that this thread is very active so I would like to share my results if you don't mind. Basically I am majority Dalmatian and I suspect some Italian and Vlach influence due to the very high west med and low north atlantic I have, also plenty of croatized Italian surnames. I also have relatives on 23andme from Southern Italy(mainly Abruzzo), but since my Baltic is in the Croatian average I don't think I have much Italian ancestry. I have no Albanian or Greek ancestry, don't have and DNA relatives with them either so Arbanasi aren't a part of my ancestry. According to 23andme my ancestry comes from Dalmatia and border of Bosnia and Croatia(where my father is from) but almost all of that part of the family migrated from Dalmatia. Thank you and again, I know I am not Serbian by nationality so it isn't my place to post here.

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Has there ever been cases of 34 Baltic and 19 NA like this? usually NA is higher.

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Has there ever been cases of 34 Baltic and 19 NA like this? usually NA is higher.

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there's a Herzegovina Croat with 36/19
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6464854